December 2, 2024 • 66 mins
Join Tom, Stephen, and William as they review the two-episode series premiere of Skeleton Crew, the latest Star Wars series on Disney+.
When four kids make a mysterious discovery on their seemingly safe home planet, they get lost in a strange and dangerous galaxy. Finding their way home, meeting unlikely allies and enemies will be a greater adventure than they ever imagined.
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts Steven, and I'm joined by my friends and
Co host Tom and William. It you know, I didn't feel like
it was gonna happen this soon. And yet somehow we are here to
talk about the premiere of yet another Star Wars show.
This time we are talking about Skeleton Crew episodes one and
two. This is exciting.
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Yeah, this, this is the last Star Wars show, I think.
Well, I mean, there's been rumors about the Lando Show
movie being turned into a show, but for all intense purposes, I
think this is the last new Star Wars series that we are aware of
but we haven't seen. Obviously there's like the
second season of Andor and Ahsoka, but it's really cool to
see a brand new Star Wars show set in.
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It's not really based on any existing.
It's kind of like The Acolyte inwhich it's in that it's entirely
new. You know, I'm excited to delve
into this and talk about the first two episodes before we do,
just really quick and then we'lldive in 'cause there's a lot to
cover. I think.
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To no one's surprise, Disney didconfirm that there will not be a
Star Wars movie next December. Shocker.
I like how we talked about this in our literally our last
episode and and here we are. Exactly did.
Did we not call it? Yep.
Yeah, yeah, it's obviously they were not even in production.
How could they have a Star Wars movie next year?
Not going to happen. But yeah, they did remove that
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from the film slate and I think and they replaced it with some
other Disney movie. I don't remember what it was.
Outside my head, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, it was going to be Ice
Age. Ice Age 6 is going.
To be yes, yeah, they're, they're basically the same
movie, right? It it could be a Star Wars tie
and you never know. Yeah, somehow they go back in.
Time I love it. Or Ilum.
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Ilum would be. Interesting, maybe Scrat.
Scrat would actually. Instead of trying to get that
acorn, he ends up with a kyber crystal instead.
Scrat is actually a Jedi. Oh my God.
Oh boy, that is like the. Crossover We a guy.
I'm I'm, I'm stopping here. We this is not the rabbit hole
we're trying to go down for. This episode.
This is not the rabbit hole you're looking for.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Thanks.
Thanks for pulling me back. It would be funny though.
Yes, yes, but no, we we have a brand new Star Wars show to talk
about. So Tom, take it away.
What are we reviewing tonight? For those who.
We're gonna don't. We're gonna be reviewing OK, and
Scrat's not involved. We're going to be reviewing
Skeleton Crew episodes 1 and 2. They were directed by John
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Watts. Episode 1, episode 2 is directed
by David Lowry. Both episodes were written by
Christopher Floyd and John Watts.
OK, so in the first episode, it goes by when 4 kids make a
mysterious discovery on their seemingly safe home planet.
They get lost in a strange and dangerous Galaxy binding their
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way home, meaning unlikely allies and enemies will be a
greater adventure than they had ever imagined.
So the show picks up with what Ifeel like is maybe starting to
become the, like, de facto titlecrawl for television, which is
like, not quite the title crawl,but like a a variation, I think
on the like, you know, long timeago, Galaxy far, far away.
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And here we've got since the fall of the Empire, the New
Republic has maintained order. And yet remote hyperspace routes
are increasingly plagued by piracy.
These pirates boldly wow. These pirates boldly brand their
armored holes as assigned. All ships surrender or die.
Very like, interestingly, like not I feel like.
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Well, it's I guess it is on brand for this show.
Well, yeah, like it. It opens very aggressively is
maybe how I would put it. For sure.
Yeah, Tom. Go ahead, William.
No, go ahead. I was going to say it, it is
like a pretty violent and, and opening it kind of throws you in
there, right. Of course, we've, I think from
the, the trailers and, and what we know about the show, right?
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It's about a group of kids and this Jedi who they all go on
adventure together in the, the vein of, you know, the old
Amblin movies like ET and whatnot, classic 80s, you know,
coming of age adventures. And it is that right?
But in the trailers, it's very idyllic in, in many ways.
And, and, and, you know, yeah, they got, they're not an
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adventure. But this is just like pirates,
just like like we've seen in theClone Wars, right?
Attaching onto the ships and andand invading and killing
everyone or or at least definitely attacking.
Let me just say like we'll we'lltalk about this throughout.
I thought the the visuals for this show were phenomenal.
I agree. Yes and the opening where the
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pirate ship is, I don't even know what the right word is
crunching, you know, and smashing into the the New
Republic ship just phenomenal. Like I'd love to see it.
I mean, they didn't love to see it because they were being bored
by pirates, but I loved it it. Was fantastic it.
Did Well, there's one thing I always like whenever I read a
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book within the first couple pages, if there's a bunch of
action happening, then it's going to grab my interest to
continue watching the show. And I like how this started
because it's almost go back to New Hope.
I mean, it wasn't as as, OK, pirates basically invading a
Starship the way that this happened, but there was still
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action at the beginning to grab your attention.
This was a little bit more brutal.
It was kind of cool to see one of those pods or one of those
arms shoot out, get into the NewRepublic ship once it got cut
off. Then you see three pirates
basically on cables going acrossin space and space suits and and
blowing the side of the ship, which we saw in in the
commercials. But at least it's something to
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grab your interest to keep into the show and also think about
this way. It's a bit of a curveball
compared to some of the commercials we've seen,
especially when it's when you see this nice idyllic planet
that looks like it's suburbia inStar Wars.
But it starts this way. Right.
You know, exactly, exactly. And it's like it definitely
grabs you. You know, it's interesting you
mention the parallels to A New Hope, because I thought there
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was, it was they, I thought theydid a really good job of
balancing well, they did feelinglike they basically kind of
cribbed at the beginning of A New Hope, but in a completely
different context, right. It's, you know, a, a, a group of
bad guys board another ship, take out everyone you know, try
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to find an object or set, you know, a set of objects on board.
Even some of the dialogue like if this is a bulk freighter, why
is your vault magnetically sealed instead of if this is the
consular ship, where is the ambassador Right it's.
I will say that was the one. That was the one.
Yeah, it's a little too close. OK, I'm sorry that that did not.
I'm sorry that did not bother meat all.
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I don't mind the call back. It's.
I think my issue with it is actually just that it's.
It's so close to the actual linethat it doesn't even feel like a
reference. It just feels like you took the
wrong step. Yeah, OK.
But everything else was like very similar, but different.
You're right. I think even the beginning, you
know, you had the classic after the the the the text, right, It
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fades down from space and to thestarfield, and then you see the
ship come in and then another ship, right.
But the I thought was interesting with this one is
there there was no music whatsoever.
Michael Giacchino's son Mick Giacchino actually composed this
series. And the music in general is
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fantastic. But the I thought it was an
interesting choice to open up incomplete silence and then boom,
the attack happens. So yeah, very similar to A New
Hope, but different in in most cases.
And we're introduced to this this pirate game gang.
Captain Silvo leads the pirate gang with his 2nd in command,
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Brutus. He's like the kind of the
werewolf like character and thenthe rest of the isn't.
That a schista schista vinen. Yeah, exactly.
The Schista Vinen. Yep.
Thank you. Well, that's a good pull.
I I could not remember that at all.
I. Just, hey, I'm sorry, you.
You can also call him the Wolfman Alien, you know, if you
want to be particularly classic.Exactly.
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Yep and then the we have a bunchof the other pirates including,
let's see where we have Gunter Chelt.
They're both human. We had Vayne, who is the Nicto
pirate from the Mandalorian season 3, Kona beef packs a
whole bunch of pirates in this in this group, and there's
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starting to be some they're not quite as unified as you might
think, right? The the the captain, Captain
Silvo is pretty confident that there's a score in the vault.
But when they open up the vault,there's only a single New
Republic credit and the pirates basically turn on him.
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And we don't really find out what happens to him.
He just, that's kind of the end of the plot line.
And then we move on to the kids.But yeah, I, I, I mean, I, we do
see the pirates, Slaters. I suspect Captain Silva will,
will I, I would hope they address his, his fate in a big
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way. But yeah, it's a really exciting
and interesting intro for for sure.
Yeah. Well, like I said, it grabbed my
interest because if it would, ifif it were to have started out,
let's say on at Aden, which is the planet that we end up
meeting after the pirates, we see Whim, who's playing with
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this. If it would have started with a
kid playing within universe figures like Whim was doing,
which I found very fascinating because they were they were Jedi
with lightsabers. I don't know if it would have
grabbed my attention as much as this.
It I I would watch it to see where it goes, but I liked how
that action started and then junks to pose to this you go to
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this planet. So another parallel to the Star
Wars films is The Force Awakens.Actually that movie 2 opens with
the big attack right on on Jakkuwhere the the village is getting
burned. You know, BB8 and, and Poe
escape and Finn's there, but it also then goes into more of a
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quieter intro to Ray. And one of the things I love
most about The Force Awakens is it's just like infectious
optimism, right? Ray's talking about the Jedi
and, and she's so excited about these connections.
And I just love how they have that reverence for the, you
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know, for the Jedi and the Force.
And that is exactly what we get in this show as well,
particularly with the charactersWim and his best friend Neil.
So Wim played by Ravi Kabat Conyers and Neil played by
Robert Timothy, Timothy Smith, these two kids, right?
Neil, he's a elephant like alien.
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He's not the same species as MaxRebo.
Oh, he's not really. Not yes.
Oh, that caught. Oh yeah, 'cause.
I would have bet good money he was.
Now I'm blanking on the name I Iknow.
That one I don't know. I do know it, and it's driving
me crazy because our Tolin. There we go.
I did. That's right.
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Yeah. So he's not our Tolin.
He's really not really. No, he's a new species, so yeah,
interesting. Well, you've broken my brain.
Thanks for that. William But you know, they, like
you said, Tom, they are in particular, Wim is obsessed with
the Jedi. He's it's, it's that classic
80s, you know, movie like kid ismore upset, more focused on his
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dreams and adventure and excitement than on homework and
the mundane things of his neighborhood, even if it is
fairly idyllic suburb. To, to kind of to kind of date
myself being a kid kind of of the 80s.
He's got that. Oh God, he's got, oh, I had it
and I completely lost it. He has that daydreaming aspect
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of life. Yes, exactly.
And very much what you might seein the Goonies or ET or even
like Stranger Things, right? It's a, you know, a lot of these
coaches based on those, those types of movies, you know, very
much that Amblin entertainment style of, of, of, of movie.
And I just loved seeing him havethat reference for the Jedi,
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right. They do the lightsaber fights
together, although we had a sorry, no.
No, pretty sure that William. They do the lightsaber fights
together. They do, you know, they play
with lightsaber. They, they, they, you know,
women's reading books about the Jedi on his, you know, story pad
and even draws a Jedi on a Star Wars version of an Etch A
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Sketch, right? It's all these little things
that just make it really, he's just like constantly in awe of
the Jedi. And that drew me in as well.
I guess that's my, my, my largerpoint.
You have that action at first todraw people in, and then there's
that that optimism and that excitement, that wonder for the
Jedi that I thought really was engaging too.
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Yeah, I was going to say I the thing I'm most impressed by is
they very clearly are going like, is that that Amblin kind
of style of entertainment? But it also is somehow nostalgic
and like, you know, well, some of us more recently, shall we
say, William, you know, like we would play with lightsabers and
like smack each other around andmaybe be embarrassed when people
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saw it. And they they managed to capture
that feeling. But somehow they're also still
in universe, which I think is particularly impressive.
Like at the same time, you know,like you said, they're, you
know, he's drawing lightsabers on an Etch A Sketch.
He's it. It's his fancy computer future
desk as he's surrounded by aliens like they.
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They managed to capture that duality of it really well.
And, and I think, I think what makes it work so well is
juxtapose his father, because his father is just like more
focused on work. And he's like, you know, even
when his son sits here and says,dad, hey, dad, can you read me a
bedtime story? He's like, why aren't you a
little too old for that? He's like.
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He's. Not Yeah, I know.
Well, it's true. I mean, some cases as a as a
parent that does happen. And you do feel bad, honestly.
But you're sitting here watchingthis just going, OK, your son's
growing up. There's only so much time to
where he's going to be like this.
He's going to want you to read something to him and have this
kind of, you know, I just said it before and I completely
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forgot it. Have that, have that kind of
innocence that these kids have at this point that the dad is
like, it's not the dad's trying to squash, but the dad's just
like I have work I have to do. I'm sorry, here's a key, here's
dinner. Go buy yourself something on
your way home because I'm working late.
Yeah, One other thing I I wantedto to call out on about the like
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the, the the callbacks in the universe callbacks to Star Wars,
right, is, you know, they've gotthe figures, but they don't look
like counter figures, right? Or they're not characters.
We know. They're just like more generic
Jedi or, you know, obviously it's the this show is set during
the New Republic, so the Galaxy kind of knows about the Jedi
again, right? It started to come back out
things to Luke and his Jedi Academy.
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It's around the same time as theMandalorian.
It's around the same time as youknow, so all these things are
around that, that same time, right?
But the other thing was really fascinating.
And I, I didn't catch this on the 1st 1st 2 viewings actually,
but we had an opportunity to interview John Watson, Chris
Ford, the executive producers and children as directors of the
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series. And Chris, I think it was Chris
Ford brought up an interesting point.
He said. You'll notice when they do the
lightsaber fights at the at the end of the episode, they don't
make the noises then go like we do, right?
Because they've never seen a lightsaber in person.
They don't know what it sounds like and what it makes.
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Like that, That broke my brain alittle bit.
Thank you. Right.
No, no. No, no.
No so in universe. And and I know, and I know the
spot too. Yeah, when Whim and Neil were
waiting for the bus. Yeah, and they and they, they,
they go, they, they fight, they're like, you know, but
there, there's no lightsaber sound effects because that's
what we do in outs in, in our universe and then the real
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world. But in Star Wars, they, they
don't know, you know. Who I there was some news story
recently, not recently, but likeit was some one of the actors in
I want to say it was one of the shows maybe where they just they
couldn't get the actor or actress to stop making.
The. The noises, it's actually really
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challenging. It is.
It's so hard. Yeah, but does was.
Wasn't that Ewan McGregor's problem too?
He was, but like me, I couldn't remember who it is but.
I thought it was Ewan McGregor. It might have been.
I think it, I think it's been multiple times like Ewan said,
mentioned that maybe it was. From everybody.
So I don't remember anyway, but yeah, it's definitely pretty.
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It's common and and the fact that they had the restraint and
the thought to say, let's not have the kids do that
intentionally. So, you know, I just I it's that
level of detail. I just really appreciate it.
Or just like a bedroom of a of akid in a random suburb, right,
That, but it looks Star Warsy. They just did such a phenomenal
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job of blending and this and this is probably the most quote
UN quote mundane we've ever seenStar Wars, right?
It's just it's a bunch of kids going to school, living their
lives, you know, trying to forgetting about major tests
that are are coming up. It it just has this really
magical quality about it that, you know, is makes the show, I
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think kind of special. Right.
And and when you're talking about how you're making it
within universe in suburbia, think about all those school
kids where they're behind the desk.
Doesn't that remind you of a spot in and, or where you had, I
think it was the Imperial centeror something where all these
people are behind a desk and they're working You, you still
have that same feel, even thoughit's a bunch of kids in a
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classroom. And then the fascinating thing
when they're in the classroom, this Under Secretary Farrah
coming in to try and explain to them, you know what this is what
this is the thing I find fascinating so far.
What did you guys think of UnderSecretary Farrah coming in and
saying you're going to have to take this test to figure out
what you're going to be going forward, what career path you're
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going to be and all this other stuff.
I. So I almost brought this up when
we were talking about William's father as well.
But like there's this very, I'm gonna call it like traditional
Western ideal of almost almost wanna call it like that like 80s
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perfectionism type of or like 60s.
Yeah. Yeah, whatever, whatever.
Older than me. Sorry TomTom, you remember those
days, right everyone? Everyone lives happily in their
suburban lifestyle. Everyone, you know, has the
droids mowing the lawn. The kids go to school and
everyone learns. But like, there's these
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references, these references to like the, the great work or the
work where everyone seems to be involved.
And even like, you know, later on in the episode and in this,
this episode, the second one, the kids are talking about like,
you know, they don't really knowwhat their parents do.
They're all just they're analysts or they're, you know,
they're administrators, which onthe one hand, kids don't know
what parents do, but on the other hand, like they don't,
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they don't seem to know even like what the project is.
And then there's, like you said,Tom, this career assessment
test, which is beyond just the like the SAT, but it's the
William, you're a 10 year old, you know you were going to take
this test and it will determine your future.
And this is the path you're on. And that's what.
You're going to be. It's kind of a dark undertone
for such an idyllic place. Yeah, for sure.
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And that's that, that that struck me too.
I was like, wait a minute. Like you would think, oh, you,
you have no choice, right? You're going to take this test
and this is your career and and you're boxed in and it's it's
definitely like, oh, things are so nice and so wonderful, but
what's underneath the surface, There's something I feel like
there's something wrong, right? And we get some hints and and of
course we're talking about the first two episodes of the show.
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They're both out so or focus on one and the other.
I think it's probably worth crossing over a little bit
because for. Stuff like this, yeah.
Because, you know, like you mentioned, right, there's the
the interest boring careers thatno one seems to know about.
They mentioned the great work, which to me that kind of reminds
me of in the High Republic, there were a series of great
works that were these major initiatives like Starlight
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Beacon and the and the Fair on Valo.
I wonder if this is a similar High Republic great work.
And the reason for that is they,you'll notice they say Republic
repeatedly, not New Republic. They say Republic later, right?
When they will, and we'll talk about this more, but when, when
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they go off planet to the, the, the pirate hideout hideout,
right? Yeah.
The dock, the porch. That's the word I was looking
for. You know, he has Republic decks
is what they call it as, as the cash, I believe.
I'm guessing that's probably short for Republic deckteries,
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which we heard of in The PhantomMenace.
And that's the currency of the, the, the, you know, prequels,
the, the, the, you know, the, the, the glory, the, the later
days of the Republic, I guess can't say the high Republic,
can't say the old Republic, but the later days of the Republic.
And so I'm, I'm getting a sense.And of course is this mysterious
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barrier thing that they can't cross and no one seems to know
about. And the fact that also no one
knows about their planet Adam, right?
It's, it's seems to be, we'll talk about this more, but it
seems to be a, a fairy tale, a myth where a treasure is, is is
is is is something out there. I get the sense that there is
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something else, something very certainly mysterious and
possibly wrong about the planet and that maybe they've been cut
off for quite some time. I don't know.
It's it's interesting. It's very interesting, but you
see that's that's so far cool thing about the shows because
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it's keeping you interested because it's giving you that
little bits as you go along. Even going into the second
episode, there's little bits that you're you're slowly
unraveling and they're not telling you upfront what's going
on. You're finding out as you go
along because you're watching what's happening from the kids
point of view because even all four kids are confused about
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what's going on. Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's for sure. I just, it's I I'm very curious
to learn more about what happensbecause there's, there's some,
there's some weird, some weird stuff going on.
I guess, I guess we'll say. Well, we have to.
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We have to backtrack a bit and talk about the two girls that
are in the show. We have Fern and we have KBKB
was kind of interesting because she had that.
I think Steven and I, we talked a little bit about this.
She kind of had that little Lobot aspect to her.
To me, it was almost, almost like a little bit of an Android
thing, but she wasn't a completeLobot to where she saw her
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consciousness. She to me, she was almost like
an Echo, an Echo character, a Echo clone.
Yeah, I think it's a really gooddescription.
Just like we see her plug into, you know, the why am I like in
the name of the ship, the Onic, the Onic Cinder.
Yeah, I'm, I'm intensely curious.
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What like if we'll learn more about what the why, you know,
like why why does? She have it, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean that that that that
this is and but you see this. This is the fun thing about the
show. There is so much.
You see her in Unravel. Yeah, it is interesting.
We don't see her parents either.Like we know, you know, Wim's
father is work is part of like an analyst I believe.
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Wendell I I don't even remember all the kids names.
Fern Fern's mother is the Under Secretary, Farah.
Yeah, I guess we see in Neil's parents briefly.
Yeah, through the window. We don't get a ton of info about
them either, but. And remember, he has, he has a
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couple brothers or sisters or whatever.
He has siblings. Yeah, some.
He has siblings. Yeah, I don't know, lots, like I
said, well, Tom, lots of really,you know, interesting questions
that the show is exploring whilethe majority of the show is, you
know, very classic. Like is that 80s fair of like
women's meant to take the test? He, you know, misses the bus
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cause of course and has to, you know, sidetrack side whatever,
head through the forest to try and get to school.
As a quick aside, I would like to begin a campaign.
I think there needs to be an agelimit on when children should be
allowed on speeders because Wim has a speeder that seems to be
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Rd. legal. Fern is Rd. legal.
They do not have the decision making ability to drive on the
road alongside the speed. So you see Tom, these are these
are these these these these these bikes are are speed
limited. They're more like real world
bikes that you would have and kids right in the street on
those too, right? It's just.
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Yeah, but they're going honking fast right now.
OK. And then and you're sitting here
talking about, you know, they should be limited.
Then if I were KB, I'd be like, why am why am I the one that
does not have this bike and I have to ride, ride sidecar to
Fern? Yeah, I do.
Almost gets his kill when 2 buses are like coming right
there and she goes right. I mean, but that's clearly the
dynamic with like KB in Fern. Like that's the thing I think
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works really well, like the first two episodes of the show,
is we get very clear setup for all four of our characters.
Yes, absolutely. You know, William is looking to
go on adventure. Go, you know, beyond what, like
live, live out of fantasy. Basically be a hero.
Fern wants to rebel, do something different.
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She's like the Han Solo type character.
Yeah, she is. Yeah, she's a Han Solo.
KB is very clearly like in Fern Shadow and is unable to break
out of that and you know, doesn't really stand up for
herself. And I don't, I don't have as
good of a sense of Neil Neil's very.
He's Neil. I love Neil, he is such a great
character. I love.
Him, I think he's going to be the breakout character.
Yeah, Neil Nation, right, 'causeas as the the actor, what was
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his name? Robert Timothy Smith.
There we go. Mentioned.
But yeah, I know he's like, he'sjust such a good a good friend,
right. He offers to hold him, you know,
he offers to hold himself back if he's like, oh, whim you're
you're going to fail the test and have to be held back a year.
You know, I really like this other girl in the class, but
I'll just I'll hold myself back too, so we can be together,
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right. He's just such a sweet, sweet
guy. And I really like him.
And yeah, I think Robert TimothySmith just does a really
wonderful job playing him. And he, he said his, we had a
chance to interview him as well.And he said his his influence or
his his goal was to make Neil the the nicest guy ever, right.
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He really wanted to make Neil sweet and kind to all the people
around him as much as possible. And that shows.
Yeah, that really shows. Yeah.
Meanwhile, I guess Fern is like I said, she's a Hansel
character, but she's also kind of like the she her her mom
being seemingly fairly high up is is like always pushing her to
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succeed and the she you know, she also has like gets into
speeder bike races. I wonder if that we we briefly
meet this other rival gang, I guess, of hover bikes.
Banj Fada is kind of the the theleads the rival group of speed
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hoverbikers or has speed bikes hoverbikers and he kind of only
appears very briefly in the episode.
So I don't know if they'll, I suspect maybe they'll come back
into play in in some way, but. Yeah, but I would think they'd
only come back into play once they get back into the planet
because, you know, they they literally left the planet, which
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I find very surprising when theyfind the Onyx and they get into
the ship. They left very noisily, but it
seemed like the droids who were in the forest trying to find
what happened. Oh yeah, the safety droids.
The safety droids, yeah. That that was one thing was
like, OK, you're, you're walkingyour safety droids trying to
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figure out what's happened. But you would think they'd have
some kind of inkling that it could have been a spaceship.
It seemed like for me that that there wasn't that that
connection of what's of what created this noise.
There's this gentleman I hear screaming that that his kid was
inside of a ship and all this other stuff.
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Steven, go ahead. I just.
No, I'm, I'm actually really curious.
Like we, we don't learn like of course we don't learn the
answers in the 1st 2 episodes ofthe show, but.
Which I'm happy we don't. You know, the, the the ship
leaves pretty quickly. But like, yeah, most Star Wars
planets would have, you know, sensors or would would notice,
you know, a ship taking off to some degree.
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I wonder if the barrier is involved here.
Like, we don't really know what the barrier is, right.
But yeah, like it's lots of openquestions.
I think an interesting thing is if whatever this barrier is,
like you said Steven, if a ship is leaving orbit, there should
have been some kind of an alarm is or a.
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Tractor beam or something right like.
OK. And but here's here's here's the
interesting thing, though. Now comes into question.
Is really the barrier real? I mean, we do see some of it
because didn't we see in the skygreen swirls?
And I think even one of the kidsdescribed it OK.
So I. Don't think we have any reason
to think it's not real. Like we, like I said, we see
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that the sky is definitely unique.
For real real. Well, and you notice when they
get up into space. Yeah, but real by way of an
actual shield to keep them. Yeah, 'cause when they get into
space, the kids even say they'venever seen the stars before.
Right. Which is fascinating to me.
Yeah, totally fascinating. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know, I, I, we skipped
over a lot of getting up into into space.
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I know, I'm sorry, but it it's. It brings up a lot of questions,
but they're great questions to talk about and sadly that we had
to jump a bit so. Yeah, so I guess we'll we'll,
we'll, we'll come back to the Onyx Cinder because that was a
really that was a really cool sequence.
But you know, as you mentioned, right when he tries to get get
to the school in time for his test and he does not, he falls
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into a into ravine and discoversa mysterious hatch in the no,
this is not lost. He he discovers a mysterious
hatch in the in the side of the this ravine.
And of course, you know, thankfully the scary Droid finds
him and takes him to school. And I was a little annoyed that
his dad didn't even seem to careabout what happened to him.
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It was like just he just got madat him.
But you know, Fern's there. She overhears something about a
mysterious hatch and and that kind of sets up their encounter
later. First, of course, Neil, sorry,
Wim does not go home and study for his test.
He gets a second chance, but no,instead he goes and it goes over
to his best friend Neil's house to tell him what he found and
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and get him to come with him to investigate the the this this
hatch. There were two notable moments
from the sequence. First, Neil being in the middle
of a bath was pretty hilarious. Oh, that was, that was so funny.
That was funny. But the other thing was, did you
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guys notice what was the the theJerich table?
I did and it disturbed me greatly.
You know, you know what it's from.
Rock back memories William, of things that just shouldn't
exist. Are you talking the clown thing
and be bobber that was happeningbecause when I saw the table, I
was expecting to see little creatures fighting themselves.
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And then, yes, I agree, Steven. Straight out of the holiday.
Special It is A1 for one recreation of the holiday
Special. In fact, they were hoping that
when we I was interviewing ChrisFord and John Watson, they were
saying they were hoping they'd be able to use the exact same
footage, but it was too low resolution and the wrong angle
said to cut different angles. And so they rebuilt the entire
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thing from scratch. They got the costumes rebuilt.
They figured out that they foundthe original to costume designer
and worked with that their costumes that are happen to know
the original costume designer and they work together to
recreate the original costumes. They redid the music from
scratch and there was no copy ofthe music.
Yeah, I think it was Chris Ford said there was it was like 20
times more work than they anticipated to recreate the
exact video from the holiday special.
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They even re choreographed the whole thing.
It's kind of amazing. I I love that they have these
giant deep cut references to thestuff that's so cool.
I. That's what I I got to say.
I love stuff like that where it's just the little itty bitty
Easter eggs. And thank you for bringing that
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up because like I said, that wasgreatly disturbing.
But to know that that came from the holiday special kind of puts
the icing on the cake as to why.Yeah.
So good. I love they recreated every
aspect of it just for the show. So good.
OK, so let's talk about the Hatch, right?
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They they get to the Hatch. Of course, there's a whole
classic 80s kids, you know, oh, calling claims or no boys, no
girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is fine.
It's just a bunch of kids. They they thankfully did a good
job balancing making it, yes, having a bunch of kid actors,
child actors, but not being too.This is maybe the scene that was
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like a little bit on the edge, but for the most part it didn't
feel like it was targeting younger viewers at all, which
was good. But yeah, what'd you guys think
of the Hatch itself? I mean, clearly a Jedi temple.
William Yeah, Clearly, clearly. You go walking in, there was
lightsabers everywhere. You could see the temple guard
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statues, you know, on top of that you saw like a whole bunch
of like Moss and skeletons and swords.
OK, Tom, now you're confusing people.
Half of that's true and half of that was completely made-up.
Well. I thought I'd throw that out
there because, you know, that's what people probably expected,
but that's not what happened. What happened was there were no
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Jedi lightsabers in there. There are no tempo guards in
there. The kid was was obviously wrong.
That's not what it was, but he found himself a spaceship.
Yeah, and not just any spaceship.
Basically a ghost pirate ship. Which is so.
Cool, right? It it it felt like straight out
of Pirates of the Caribbean or something and even.
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Yeah, I will say like of momentsI wish they'd maybe tweaked
slightly, like the fact that theship had literal pirate hats I
thought was maybe a a a touch far.
And the spyglass. And the compass spyglass.
Where I was just like, and I to be fair, I hope we explain at
some point why what those thingsare like if we learn more about,
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you know, the previous owners ofthe ship, whatever it might be.
But yeah, like the the captain'shat plus, sorry, the pirate's
hat specifically, plus the sky gas was just like this feels a
little a little close. OK, I hate to say it, but I'm
going to have to jump to the second episode 'cause it was
there. There was an actual Pirates of
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the Caribbean reference in the second episode.
Oh was there I missed. That and.
The no, no. What was it that you guys
completely missed it? The whistling for the dog.
Was this? Oh, I totally missed that.
This was this was when they werein the Brig.
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OK, yeah. And it.
Was right before the key and if you heard in the background
there was the whistling for the dog.
You didn't see anybody. You just heard the you heard the
whistling for the dog. I'll say I I even thought that
set looked very similar. But anyway, yeah.
I kind of felt like you're in the Black Pearl.
OK, well, but but I just I sat there and I'm like I picked it
up heartbeat. I'm like, I didn't groan
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because, put it, it wasn't loud.It must have been, yeah, super
subtle in the background. Yeah, that's.
That's cool. It was subtle enough to where if
you listened my the the way my ears are.
I'm sorry. It was there.
Yeah, it. Was no, I believe you.
I believe you. Oh yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah, 'cause. That's why.
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That's why the pirate thing within the ship didn't bother
me. Now if it was a bed with the
pirate skeleton looking at a jewel and a skull above it, then
that would have bothered me. I, I feel like we're going to
learn more about this ship, right 'cause we see very, we
don't see that much of it 'causeit's pretty dark in the 1st
episode. The second episode we see a
little bit more we and we meet the Droid SM33, who we see in
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this episode because doesn't actually talk yet.
We'll, we'll talk about him because he's a cool, he's a cool
character as well. I love it.
And but yeah, I guess that, you know, I loved how you're in this
ship and you don't really know what it is at first.
Just kind of looks like a dark cave or something and there's
technology in there. And then they get the power on
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and Wim walks into the cockpit and it's upside down.
He's standing on the ceiling andyou see the, the, the chairs
come, You know that they're actually rising, but they,
they're, they're lowering because they're upside down,
right? And you know, of course it
becomes a running joke through the the first few episodes,
right? He presses a, a button and the
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ship rotates. It turns on and it lifts out of
the ground and it rotates and it, you know, it like comes out
of the, the ground and you know,they're like, they, they run
outside. They're on top of the ship.
They're almost falling off. They have to get back in the
Hatch just in time before they fall hundreds of feet to the
ground. It was such a cool scene.
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It was a cool scene. It was a cool scene because I
like how you said the ship rotated and the nice thing was
when it was rotating, you didn'tsee them inside rotating with
it. You saw them trying to escape
and you kind of saw them rotating on the outside as it
was rotating. Yeah, I like that.
It's that was cool. It's so cool.
It is so cool. And then, you know, the ship
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takes off. As you know, Whim's dad Wendell,
is down there like looking for his son and sees him in the ship
as they're taking off. And they go into space through
the barrier, whatever it is, andthen jump into hyperspace.
And that's it, like they have nocontrol, they just boom, they're
gone. And it is such a great ending
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for the 1st episode. Totally sets you up for the
second episode. Yes, which let's let's let's
keep it on, keep on rolling and jump right into the second
episode again, you know, right where we left off.
They're still on this ship. They don't know where they are
now and they are introduced to this.
You know, it's kind of a very creepy intro.
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I were introduced to the Droid SM 33 like a decaying pirate
Droid. Steven, your thoughts on SM33,
voiced by Nick Frost. I mean, so same sort of thing
where he's very much that the pirate twang down, for lack of a
better word. That being said, I definitely
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really liked him. Just a fantastic character.
Also, I don't like question, is SM 33 the Droid or the rat?
The Droid, The Droid. Are you Are you sure?
Are you sure they're not the same?
They could be. Yeah, I know.
I'm I like, I feel like there might be, you know, an 7th, 7th
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episode reveal, you know, so. You think there's some biotic.
You're you're kind of thinking there's some biotic.
I mean, maybe, I don't know, I'mjust saying the rats seem to pop
back up consistently, which I thought was impressive.
Interesting. I don't actually think that, but
it didn't make me laugh. It would be an interesting
curveball, but yeah, it but I I great Droid.
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Yeah, such a great Droid. I I just love that he is, he is
like your typical pirate, right with the accent and he arguing
and he's missing an eye. We have, you know, the critter
in his eye. He sounds exactly like a, you
know, a pirate's first mate. And, and even it's kind of
silly, right? But the, the way Fern comes with
an idea to fool, to trick the Droid into making her the
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captain by saying she killed theformer captain.
And he's like, oh, well, OK, you're you're the captain now.
You know, it's just, it's it's fun.
It's just fun. You got to give her credit.
That was quick thinking. Yeah, Yep, Yep.
And, you know, so of course, we got a fun sequence where he
teaches them to fly the ship, and it's kind of overwhelming.
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Wow for them. OK, air quotes.
Teaches them to fly, yes. Then I I got to throw this out
there, either of you guys see the movie Fanboys?
Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, one point.
Of time it's been, Yeah, well, it's been a long time, but but
how about the and I don't think this was a direct reference, but
don't press this button. Yeah, yeah.
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I did appreciate how it was described too, like an
emergency, like whole separator separation device or whatever,
right? Which I assume is the self
destruct. But yes.
I have to man, right? Yeah, no, it's maybe not.
Maybe there's something unique about it.
I, I just, I just thought of fanboys.
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I'm sorry when I when I saw thatit's like whatever you do, don't
touch this button. I just really want to learn more
about this. I just really want to learn more
about this, this ship and, and, and the world at Aton as well.
Right. I, I just, this showed us such a
good job of setting up interesting mysteries that I'm
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assuming will be, you know, unravelled as we go through the,
the rest of the, the season. It's just I feel like they're, I
don't want to compare stuff, butI feel like they're doing all
the right things in this show. Yeah, they are versus the last
one. I'll just say that.
I I think what I like about the ship, which you have to unravel
is you had skeleton corpses inside of pirates who killed the
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pirates. Was it a mutiny within the
pirates? They ended up killing each
other. And how, how did that ship be on
that planet for so long? Yes, it was covered by Earth and
trees and things, but nobody on that planet had a record of the
ship even being there. So in why?
We will talk in a moment about Jude Law's character Jad na na
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Wood, which quite the name I'll say.
I think it feels pretty obvious that Jude Law is Captain Silva
from the first episode. Like that was my, you can
correct me if I'm wrong, but like, you know, arrested by the
pirates. We see those same pirates on,
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you know, this kind of port. So we obviously like there's a
story about what's going on withAdaten.
There's a story about Jod, God Jod and his relationship with
the pirates. Do you think we'll get answers
about the the Onyx Cinder as well?
I think we will like in it. I feel like the Onyx Cinder is
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almost a character of its own right on this.
Show. I would think that this to me
would make sense. I would think as you're in that
ship, you're going to see the mystery of the ship starting to
unfold. Because SM 33, even though he
has no idea where at Aton is andhas never heard of it, he must
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have somewhere in his databanks a history of being in that ship,
what came before, what happened to the crew that was there.
And he may not know how it crashed on the planet, but the
history of the ship is is embedded in him and I'm pretty
sure it should be unravelled as we go along with everything
else. Yeah, no, for for sure, I, I
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think it, I think it will be. And again, you know, I, we don't
know for sure, but I, I, I suspect it, it will be a big
piece of the the show and it's yeah, I think those three of the
big the big three pieces. I just think the the premise for
this right, for kids who kind ofaccidentally get taken away from
their home planet, are now forced to go on an adventure.
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Of course, whim always wanted togo on an adventure, but going
actually going dreaming about one and actually going on one
are two very different things. And it could be a lot scarier
and a lot harder than than you ever imagined.
And the fact that no one knows their you know, about like
though they've they don't know where at AT and is they've
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they've heard of it, but it's a it's a planet that's, you know,
I think 1 character calls it later, right?
It's she'll, she says, tells them she'll need a much better
story than they'll need a much better story than being from a
lost planet of eternal treasure,which everyone knows is a myth.
And so it's an interesting premise around they left, but
they there's no way to get home.And it's not that they can't
find help is that there's literally no one knows how to
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get them home and slash they are.
It's a mythical planet that doesn't it's like I'm from
Atlantis, right? It's like, oh, that's great, but
that doesn't help us. Yeah.
Like where? You're really from?
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a cool concept.
Yeah. And then that takes us to Port
Borgo, or where, you know, wherethey supposedly say you'll rest
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well in a soft bed or a shallow grave.
Boy, a shallow grave on a planetthat's made out of metal.
That'll be interesting, yeah. That's true, Tom.
So it this is a cool planet, right?
I I don't really plan it at space station.
I guess it's again straight out of a pirate movie.
You got this. You know, ferryman on this
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probably the rickety is transport I have ever seen in
Star Wars. It looks like it's held together
with tape and some plastic sheeting.
It's not good. Don't recommend it.
Yeah, but it gets you from pointA to point B, so who's
complaining? Barely would you ever stepping
on it and it was like flapping in the in space of like, oh,
they're going to have a whole breach any 2nd and it's piloted
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by teks from you know, the the same creature.
I don't know the exact same character, but you know the same
species as it from the Ewoks, the battle for indoor movies,
which was cool getting another reference.
But yeah, this is so I think we've talked about some of the
Star Wars shows. There haven't been a lot of
creatures and aliens. This one's like whole get ready
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because we're just going to throw aliens at you left and
right. Pardon me for saying this.
This show is like, hold my beer.Here's what you wanted.
Because this, this to me, what all the other shows lacked, this
to me was Star Wars through and through because there were
aliens everywhere and you could see that they really worked on
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making sure the environment worked with all the aliens.
And I hate to say it, you could see where the budget from the
show went. It's like the Moss Heisley
Cantina writ large. It's just everywhere.
Yeah. Yes.
On top of that, all the ships when they were going into that
port, yes, it's all CG, but the amount of ships in the
atmosphere, they really worked on this to make sure that it was
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believable within the universe, because that's what we missed
from a lot of these. You missed this type of
atmosphere. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest,
some some of the creatures I thought looked a little off, but
it wasn't really a critique of this show.
It's more of like, I'll be honest, right, 'cause when they
made A New Hope, there's a great, great creatures in there.
Some of them look a little a little weird.
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And that's because they just didn't have a big budget at the
time. And they are being true to A New
Hope, so I can't fault them too much.
You know, they're not like the highest quality creatures, but
they are perfect, right, Recreations from like A New
Hope. So again, it's not the, you
know, the worst thing. And yeah, it is a scary place.
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There are so many creatures and,and, like, it's danger around
every corner. I think the kids split up again
into you know, Fern and KB and women kneel and they very
quickly both get like the girls are almost kidnapped.
Thankfully they they realize what's happening and try to
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escape. Milna and the the boys are I
guess they go order some disgusting food.
They. They they were a little hungry.
Don't blame them, actually. Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to
eat, though. It kind of actually reminds me
of in in Star Wars Outlaws, how you can go sit down and order
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food on the planet. Yeah, same, same type of feel.
Yeah. And, and they're, it's, it's a
dangerous place. They're they are way in over
their heads. And they're, I mean, they're
basically on a pirate port. So I'm not right.
I'm not surprised, but. But it, it also this, I think I,
I alluded to earlier about this is where Neil's going to go pay
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for the food. And I think it was brought up, I
think Steven, you brought it up about the Republic decks.
And that's where all the piratesare.
Just like, where did you get this?
Because they've not seen anything like this, let's say
like forever or ever. They've only heard about it.
And then all of a sudden they realize that, hey, thankfully
Neil hid most of it. But they're just like, you must
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have more on you. So that basically set them up to
be now with on the planet. They're wanted kids because
they're hiding something. Yeah, yeah.
So it's yeah, it's definitely dangerous.
I they do. They did a really good job of
making the planet scary and dangerous.
And you know, eventually they dohave both have to run away and
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it leads to this big kind of brawl almost or, you know, they
they get surrounded and here, you know, we can we see Brutus,
who's now the leader and all theother characters from the
beginning of the first episode, all the other pirates and they
surround the kids and just, you know, thankfully SM 33 comes out
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of nowhere and just. So cool.
Almost everyone. Steven, you're I.
Always say like I this episode in particular made me really
appreciate SM 33. Like maybe if it were just the
the pirate accent, it would havebothered me.
But like a watching him consistently, like, I don't even
know, like make himself bigger, for lack of a better word, is
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super cool. Unlike he elongates his arms to,
you know, really lay into them. And then he's got the the
Shields pop up or very dirgesk from the 2D Clone Wars
animation. If you go way back.
The only side part is, you know,he get he gets knocked out and
we don't see what happens to himafter this, but yeah.
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Well, I I'm not just knocked out.
He gets shot in the back. And I mean, it looks like he
died to me. Yeah.
I, you know, he's such a cool Droid and so I, I hope, I hope
this is not the end of him, but it did not look good.
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So, you know, the kids are ultimately captured and thrown
in the Brig where they can cool off because, you know, they, the
pirates are, they're not sure they're how they got to the
starport and pass their defensesAnd they, they want to know more
about these kids because they'rebeing from a mythical planet,
right? It's just, it's odd.
So they throw them in in the Brig.
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Very another very piratey thing to do.
And of course the there's a key outside their cell, but it's too
far away. And the little I creature from
SM33I, I don't know what it's called.
I wish we did. It's just like.
It's called the Rat. I feel like that's a worthy
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enough name. Yeah, the the rat thing.
I I rat it, they try to have it grab the key and of course that
fails and that's when the last member of the main cast appears.
I don't think he actually introduces himself in this
episode but his name is Jod na na Wood and played by Jude Law
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and he. It's a mouthful.
It's, it's a terrible name. I'm sorry like.
Every time I try and say it, it's just like, no, it's.
Just and also is his name Jod Jod na I I don't know how you're
is is you know, I don't know what his first name is, but.
I I almost wanted to just just say Jude Law.
(54:42):
I'm sorry. Jod.
Jod, there you go. Yeah, but you know, he's, he's
there. He he kind of comes out of the
shadows and he tells them that the distance between them and
the key is merely an illusion. Illusion.
And he raises his hand and the key floats to him.
And clearly, you know, Wim makesthe connection.
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He's a Jedi and he shushes his finger, you know, gives him a
shushing motion and says, can you keep a secret?
And that's it. And I think lots of questions,
right, You know, why, why is he in the Brig?
How long has he been there? I think Steven, you said your
theory is that he's Captain Silvo.
I think that's a logical theory.I, I don't know for sure.
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Like because it is odd that theywould introduce that at the
beginning and not tie that back in, you know, later in the in.
Between those, sorry, maybe thisis just me being me or I should
say like, but it's just like, ah, let's introduce a character
in the beginning of the show, like the first name character we
kind of see and let's put him ina mask like it it feels like it
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should be, but like. Well, the other thing is on the
other hand, lies credited in thefirst episode, but he we don't
actually see his character. No, it would.
It would be. I mean, sometimes they give
credits if you're not in this inepisode still the other thing.
Though is, you know, we see him throwing punches in that opening
scene. Captain Silvo, he's not using
the force. So yeah, maybe if it like, did
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he learn to use the force in prison?
Like, you know, he started an intense meditation regime.
OK, let's let's just say it's ignoring Captain Silvo for a
minute. Just jawed.
Why is he in the Brig? Why is there a force?
Who's are there? Why didn't he free himself,
right? I have many questions.
He was he was waiting for the right crew, I guess.
I don't know. I mean, but he's.
That's what he's waiting for. He should keep waiting because
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410 year olds probably not the right crew.
Tom. But but put it this way, we're
bringing up some great questionsthat we can't wait to see the
answers for going forward. They've laid so many little
bread crumbs just to be answered.
And and that's why I'm like looking at the two episodes
going, I really enjoyed them. Yeah, No, it's I, I agree.
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I agree. I I really had a lot of fun with
this premiere. I think it's, I mean, we just go
to our enter our ratings when I go over rate the first episode
and rate the second episode, I guess unless you want to do them
together. But let's let's just let's do
them separately. How's that?
So yeah. Let's go separate.
Steven, you want to go first? Oh, you would.
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I'm gonna talk about both of theepisodes together, bro.
We'll rate them separately. I think this might be one of the
most promising openings we've gotten for a Star Wars show.
Like I'm, I'm trying to think back to, you know, Andor,
fantastic show, but the first 3 episodes were a little bit on
the slow side to really get going.
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I felt like, you know, the firstepisode here was decently long.
It was like 40 plus minutes. We spend a lot of time on the
kind of school 80s children story, but there's enough bits
that are left there that I thinkhold your attention through the
episode. And then we'll get into the
second episode. And it it has all the magic of
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the cantina. Like you're surrounded by
aliens. You are it truly, you know, in
the Star Wars universe. And it is phenomenal.
And it, I mean, it ends on a hook of like, you know,
obviously Jude Law is a, you know, very famous and, like,
fantastic actor. And we haven't even gotten to
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see what he's going to be doing in the show yet.
I, I think it is one of the bestpremieres we've gotten out of a
Star Wars show. And it's not to say that they're
perfect by any means or anythinglike that.
I think I'm trying to think, I don't wanna write these.
I think I'll get the first episode about a 7 1/2 solid, but
definitely, you know, little bitof a little on the slower side
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if through the middle portion ofit.
And the second episode I'd give I think an 8 1/2 out of 10.
Really kicks things into gear and delivers and sets up a
bunch. And it, like Tom said, sets up a
whole bunch of mysteries that I actually want to find out and
learn more about throughout the episodes.
So whatever 8 1/2 + 7 1/2 is, that's what 16 you dig.
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The math OK. Close enough.
Nailed it. So that's 16 womp rats total.
I mean, half and half, but you know, we'll leave that aside for
a moment. Clearly at AT needs better child
safety laws. Like I don't care if the
speeders are considered bikes ornot.
My 16 womp rats are all dedicated to overhauling AT
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atoms. Like Rd. laws, you know, car
registration. Like there is some very clear
issues here that need to be dealt with.
They're going to be taking a look at that very soon.
Wow all. Right, Tom, you're up.
OK, sorry. As you can tell, I enjoyed both
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of these episodes and I'm reallylooking forward to seeing how
the series is going to play out.So sorry in the first episode
I've got to give that one Steven.
I'm going to match yours with a 7.5.
I really believe they. They've really set a good bar
going forward. They've set really good
mysteries, they've set good plotpoints.
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So I'm looking forward to seeinghow it proceeds.
The second episode I really enjoyed.
I don't want to mirror it, but Steven, I'm going to give it an
8.5 as well. I, I can't give it a nine
because it really is only the second episode.
I just love the Star Wars feel to it.
I, I, I just really, really feelthis is going to be a fun show
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to watch going forward. So it's 8.5 for the second
episode. So again, out of two averaging
them together, 1.15 whatever, 365.
So it's 16 as well. So my 16 wom brats.
OK, so my 16 WOM brats, they were actually on the the pirate
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planet and they were actually helping the kids escape as best
as they could. And yeah, they took down a
couple pirates on the way out. Sadly, half of them didn't make
it, but the other half was able to get to the Onyx.
And somehow they're running around on board and they're
going to try and figure out the mystery before the kids.
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So that's what my supreme want plans have done.
Yeah, it's a race against time to see who figures out the
mystery, the Onyx first. OK, well, you know, yeah, I
guess I'll, I'll round it out. I, I think I talked about at the
beginning, I love the optimism and the excitement in the first
episode. I just thought this suburb of
Star Wars was so cool. I, you know, I'm actually gonna
give it 8 1/2 womb rats and the second episode I think I'll do
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it 8:00 just because it's I think the pirate den was easy.
It's cool. It's limited me to less my my
style to some degree, but I justhave to say this show is, it's
so much fun. I, I enjoyed it the first time I
watched it. And then when I rewatched
episodes, I loved it even more. You know, there is just really
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something special about this. You know, it's kind of that
Amblin style, you know, show, you know, it's, it's clearly
based on these, you know, beloved Amblin, Amblin movies,
but it's done in the, in the Star Wars universe in a really
unique way. And it makes the show feel
different and fresh. And it still feels very much
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like Star Wars, but also very much its own thing.
And I like that. I like the, the pirate
references. It's kind of a cool, you know,
concept. You know, some of these things,
I feel like on paper they almostwouldn't work.
But when you put them all together, it's like just, it's
just a brilliant idea. And I am excited to see where
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they take the rest of the, the, of the, the season.
I think we've got 8 episodes in the season.
I just can't wait to to see whatthey do.
I really liked it. So I think, yeah, my, I guess
it's my 16 1/2 womp rats are, you know, I think the, the
little creature inside of SM33'seye is actually a baby womp rat.
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And there's a whole family of womp rats inside SM 33.
And it's not the same. It's just there's multiple,
there's keep coming out throughout.
Yeah, exactly. Interesting.
OK. Yeah, exactly.
So there, there you go. But no, I think this show is
really fun. I can't wait for you all to to
see it and and send us your thoughts.
You know, we're, we're putting up this episode on release date
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on the release date. The episode just dropped like a
couple minutes ago. As we're, you know, I guess as
we're putting this up, as you're, as you're listening to
Lucas was kind enough to send usthe first 3 episodes of the
seasons we have seen. The next episode we did not.
We tried to, when we talked about this episode, as we always
do right when we have advanced screeners, we talked about it
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from the write the show notes atthe point where we've only seen
the 1st 2:00. And we talked about it from that
mindset. And any speculation we do is
just based on what we would normally have done.
How do we only see those episodes?
And so we try not to infuse any of what we know will be coming
into that. And sometimes we're right and
sometimes we're wrong with the, you know, the speculation and
and stuff. But yeah, I'm excited to see
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hear more of what everyone thinks as you watch the premiere
and of course the third episode 2, because it's, it's a, it's a
really, it's a really special show and I think the, the team's
done a, a phenomenal job on it. I guess one more thing before we
close. So as I mentioned, we did
interview the the kids, right, the actors who play Wim, Fern,
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Neil and KB. And I asked them what was your
favorite episode of the season, right?
And there was a vote for the 4thepisode in two weeks.
Interesting. Apparently it's centered around
Neil in some way, and so that's that's Neil's favorite, the
actor who plays Neil Patrick andthen the rest all set Episode 6
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for character development reasons.
Some cool battles and because Bryce Dallas Howard directed it
as well, so. Oh nice.
That's a little tease for some of the upcoming episodes.
So yeah, I, I'm excited. Thank you all for listening.
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And we're back next week with our review of Skeleton Crew
Episode 3. We should know there might be
episode titles. We don't have them yet.
The the scooters didn't include the episode titles, so we're
just going to call them episode 1 and 2.
We may revise that later, but thank you all for listening and
we'll be back next week with ourreview of Skeleton Crew Episode
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts Steven, and I'm joined by my friends and
Co host Tom and William. It you know, I didn't feel like
it was gonna happen this soon. And yet somehow we are here to
talk about the premiere of yet another Star Wars show.
This time we are talking about Skeleton Crew episodes one and
two. This is exciting.
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Yeah, this, this is the last Star Wars show, I think.
Well, I mean, there's been rumors about the Lando Show
movie being turned into a show, but for all intense purposes, I
think this is the last new Star Wars series that we are aware of
but we haven't seen. Obviously there's like the
second season of Andor and Ahsoka, but it's really cool to
see a brand new Star Wars show set in.
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It's not really based on any existing.
It's kind of like The Acolyte inwhich it's in that it's entirely
new. You know, I'm excited to delve
into this and talk about the first two episodes before we do,
just really quick and then we'lldive in 'cause there's a lot to
cover. I think.
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To no one's surprise, Disney didconfirm that there will not be a
Star Wars movie next December. Shocker.
I like how we talked about this in our literally our last
episode and and here we are. Exactly did.
Did we not call it? Yep.
Yeah, yeah, it's obviously they were not even in production.
How could they have a Star Wars movie next year?
Not going to happen. But yeah, they did remove that
(01:52):
from the film slate and I think and they replaced it with some
other Disney movie. I don't remember what it was.
Outside my head, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, it was going to be Ice
Age. Ice Age 6 is going.
To be yes, yeah, they're, they're basically the same
movie, right? It it could be a Star Wars tie
and you never know. Yeah, somehow they go back in.
Time I love it. Or Ilum.
(02:14):
Ilum would be. Interesting, maybe Scrat.
Scrat would actually. Instead of trying to get that
acorn, he ends up with a kyber crystal instead.
Scrat is actually a Jedi. Oh my God.
Oh boy, that is like the. Crossover We a guy.
I'm I'm, I'm stopping here. We this is not the rabbit hole
we're trying to go down for. This episode.
This is not the rabbit hole you're looking for.
(02:35):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Thanks.
Thanks for pulling me back. It would be funny though.
Yes, yes, but no, we we have a brand new Star Wars show to talk
about. So Tom, take it away.
What are we reviewing tonight? For those who.
We're gonna don't. We're gonna be reviewing OK, and
Scrat's not involved. We're going to be reviewing
Skeleton Crew episodes 1 and 2. They were directed by John
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Watts. Episode 1, episode 2 is directed
by David Lowry. Both episodes were written by
Christopher Floyd and John Watts.
OK, so in the first episode, it goes by when 4 kids make a
mysterious discovery on their seemingly safe home planet.
They get lost in a strange and dangerous Galaxy binding their
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way home, meaning unlikely allies and enemies will be a
greater adventure than they had ever imagined.
So the show picks up with what Ifeel like is maybe starting to
become the, like, de facto titlecrawl for television, which is
like, not quite the title crawl,but like a a variation, I think
on the like, you know, long timeago, Galaxy far, far away.
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And here we've got since the fall of the Empire, the New
Republic has maintained order. And yet remote hyperspace routes
are increasingly plagued by piracy.
These pirates boldly wow. These pirates boldly brand their
armored holes as assigned. All ships surrender or die.
Very like, interestingly, like not I feel like.
(04:03):
Well, it's I guess it is on brand for this show.
Well, yeah, like it. It opens very aggressively is
maybe how I would put it. For sure.
Yeah, Tom. Go ahead, William.
No, go ahead. I was going to say it, it is
like a pretty violent and, and opening it kind of throws you in
there, right. Of course, we've, I think from
the, the trailers and, and what we know about the show, right?
(04:25):
It's about a group of kids and this Jedi who they all go on
adventure together in the, the vein of, you know, the old
Amblin movies like ET and whatnot, classic 80s, you know,
coming of age adventures. And it is that right?
But in the trailers, it's very idyllic in, in many ways.
And, and, and, you know, yeah, they got, they're not an
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adventure. But this is just like pirates,
just like like we've seen in theClone Wars, right?
Attaching onto the ships and andand invading and killing
everyone or or at least definitely attacking.
Let me just say like we'll we'lltalk about this throughout.
I thought the the visuals for this show were phenomenal.
I agree. Yes and the opening where the
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pirate ship is, I don't even know what the right word is
crunching, you know, and smashing into the the New
Republic ship just phenomenal. Like I'd love to see it.
I mean, they didn't love to see it because they were being bored
by pirates, but I loved it it. Was fantastic it.
Did Well, there's one thing I always like whenever I read a
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book within the first couple pages, if there's a bunch of
action happening, then it's going to grab my interest to
continue watching the show. And I like how this started
because it's almost go back to New Hope.
I mean, it wasn't as as, OK, pirates basically invading a
Starship the way that this happened, but there was still
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action at the beginning to grab your attention.
This was a little bit more brutal.
It was kind of cool to see one of those pods or one of those
arms shoot out, get into the NewRepublic ship once it got cut
off. Then you see three pirates
basically on cables going acrossin space and space suits and and
blowing the side of the ship, which we saw in in the
commercials. But at least it's something to
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grab your interest to keep into the show and also think about
this way. It's a bit of a curveball
compared to some of the commercials we've seen,
especially when it's when you see this nice idyllic planet
that looks like it's suburbia inStar Wars.
But it starts this way. Right.
You know, exactly, exactly. And it's like it definitely
grabs you. You know, it's interesting you
mention the parallels to A New Hope, because I thought there
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was, it was they, I thought theydid a really good job of
balancing well, they did feelinglike they basically kind of
cribbed at the beginning of A New Hope, but in a completely
different context, right. It's, you know, a, a, a group of
bad guys board another ship, take out everyone you know, try
(06:55):
to find an object or set, you know, a set of objects on board.
Even some of the dialogue like if this is a bulk freighter, why
is your vault magnetically sealed instead of if this is the
consular ship, where is the ambassador Right it's.
I will say that was the one. That was the one.
Yeah, it's a little too close. OK, I'm sorry that that did not.
I'm sorry that did not bother meat all.
(07:17):
I don't mind the call back. It's.
I think my issue with it is actually just that it's.
It's so close to the actual linethat it doesn't even feel like a
reference. It just feels like you took the
wrong step. Yeah, OK.
But everything else was like very similar, but different.
You're right. I think even the beginning, you
know, you had the classic after the the the the text, right, It
(07:40):
fades down from space and to thestarfield, and then you see the
ship come in and then another ship, right.
But the I thought was interesting with this one is
there there was no music whatsoever.
Michael Giacchino's son Mick Giacchino actually composed this
series. And the music in general is
(08:01):
fantastic. But the I thought it was an
interesting choice to open up incomplete silence and then boom,
the attack happens. So yeah, very similar to A New
Hope, but different in in most cases.
And we're introduced to this this pirate game gang.
Captain Silvo leads the pirate gang with his 2nd in command,
(08:25):
Brutus. He's like the kind of the
werewolf like character and thenthe rest of the isn't.
That a schista schista vinen. Yeah, exactly.
The Schista Vinen. Yep.
Thank you. Well, that's a good pull.
I I could not remember that at all.
I. Just, hey, I'm sorry, you.
You can also call him the Wolfman Alien, you know, if you
want to be particularly classic.Exactly.
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Yep and then the we have a bunchof the other pirates including,
let's see where we have Gunter Chelt.
They're both human. We had Vayne, who is the Nicto
pirate from the Mandalorian season 3, Kona beef packs a
whole bunch of pirates in this in this group, and there's
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starting to be some they're not quite as unified as you might
think, right? The the the captain, Captain
Silvo is pretty confident that there's a score in the vault.
But when they open up the vault,there's only a single New
Republic credit and the pirates basically turn on him.
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And we don't really find out what happens to him.
He just, that's kind of the end of the plot line.
And then we move on to the kids.But yeah, I, I, I mean, I, we do
see the pirates, Slaters. I suspect Captain Silva will,
will I, I would hope they address his, his fate in a big
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way. But yeah, it's a really exciting
and interesting intro for for sure.
Yeah. Well, like I said, it grabbed my
interest because if it would, ifif it were to have started out,
let's say on at Aden, which is the planet that we end up
meeting after the pirates, we see Whim, who's playing with
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this. If it would have started with a
kid playing within universe figures like Whim was doing,
which I found very fascinating because they were they were Jedi
with lightsabers. I don't know if it would have
grabbed my attention as much as this.
It I I would watch it to see where it goes, but I liked how
that action started and then junks to pose to this you go to
(10:37):
this planet. So another parallel to the Star
Wars films is The Force Awakens.Actually that movie 2 opens with
the big attack right on on Jakkuwhere the the village is getting
burned. You know, BB8 and, and Poe
escape and Finn's there, but it also then goes into more of a
(11:05):
quieter intro to Ray. And one of the things I love
most about The Force Awakens is it's just like infectious
optimism, right? Ray's talking about the Jedi
and, and she's so excited about these connections.
And I just love how they have that reverence for the, you
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know, for the Jedi and the Force.
And that is exactly what we get in this show as well,
particularly with the charactersWim and his best friend Neil.
So Wim played by Ravi Kabat Conyers and Neil played by
Robert Timothy, Timothy Smith, these two kids, right?
Neil, he's a elephant like alien.
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He's not the same species as MaxRebo.
Oh, he's not really. Not yes.
Oh, that caught. Oh yeah, 'cause.
I would have bet good money he was.
Now I'm blanking on the name I Iknow.
That one I don't know. I do know it, and it's driving
me crazy because our Tolin. There we go.
I did. That's right.
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Yeah. So he's not our Tolin.
He's really not really. No, he's a new species, so yeah,
interesting. Well, you've broken my brain.
Thanks for that. William But you know, they, like
you said, Tom, they are in particular, Wim is obsessed with
the Jedi. He's it's, it's that classic
80s, you know, movie like kid ismore upset, more focused on his
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dreams and adventure and excitement than on homework and
the mundane things of his neighborhood, even if it is
fairly idyllic suburb. To, to kind of to kind of date
myself being a kid kind of of the 80s.
He's got that. Oh God, he's got, oh, I had it
and I completely lost it. He has that daydreaming aspect
(12:52):
of life. Yes, exactly.
And very much what you might seein the Goonies or ET or even
like Stranger Things, right? It's a, you know, a lot of these
coaches based on those, those types of movies, you know, very
much that Amblin entertainment style of, of, of, of movie.
And I just loved seeing him havethat reference for the Jedi,
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right. They do the lightsaber fights
together, although we had a sorry, no.
No, pretty sure that William. They do the lightsaber fights
together. They do, you know, they play
with lightsaber. They, they, they, you know,
women's reading books about the Jedi on his, you know, story pad
and even draws a Jedi on a Star Wars version of an Etch A
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Sketch, right? It's all these little things
that just make it really, he's just like constantly in awe of
the Jedi. And that drew me in as well.
I guess that's my, my, my largerpoint.
You have that action at first todraw people in, and then there's
that that optimism and that excitement, that wonder for the
Jedi that I thought really was engaging too.
(13:58):
Yeah, I was going to say I the thing I'm most impressed by is
they very clearly are going like, is that that Amblin kind
of style of entertainment? But it also is somehow nostalgic
and like, you know, well, some of us more recently, shall we
say, William, you know, like we would play with lightsabers and
like smack each other around andmaybe be embarrassed when people
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saw it. And they they managed to capture
that feeling. But somehow they're also still
in universe, which I think is particularly impressive.
Like at the same time, you know,like you said, they're, you
know, he's drawing lightsabers on an Etch A Sketch.
He's it. It's his fancy computer future
desk as he's surrounded by aliens like they.
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They managed to capture that duality of it really well.
And, and I think, I think what makes it work so well is
juxtapose his father, because his father is just like more
focused on work. And he's like, you know, even
when his son sits here and says,dad, hey, dad, can you read me a
bedtime story? He's like, why aren't you a
little too old for that? He's like.
(15:01):
He's. Not Yeah, I know.
Well, it's true. I mean, some cases as a as a
parent that does happen. And you do feel bad, honestly.
But you're sitting here watchingthis just going, OK, your son's
growing up. There's only so much time to
where he's going to be like this.
He's going to want you to read something to him and have this
kind of, you know, I just said it before and I completely
(15:23):
forgot it. Have that, have that kind of
innocence that these kids have at this point that the dad is
like, it's not the dad's trying to squash, but the dad's just
like I have work I have to do. I'm sorry, here's a key, here's
dinner. Go buy yourself something on
your way home because I'm working late.
Yeah, One other thing I I wantedto to call out on about the like
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the, the the callbacks in the universe callbacks to Star Wars,
right, is, you know, they've gotthe figures, but they don't look
like counter figures, right? Or they're not characters.
We know. They're just like more generic
Jedi or, you know, obviously it's the this show is set during
the New Republic, so the Galaxy kind of knows about the Jedi
again, right? It started to come back out
things to Luke and his Jedi Academy.
(16:09):
It's around the same time as theMandalorian.
It's around the same time as youknow, so all these things are
around that, that same time, right?
But the other thing was really fascinating.
And I, I didn't catch this on the 1st 1st 2 viewings actually,
but we had an opportunity to interview John Watson, Chris
Ford, the executive producers and children as directors of the
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series. And Chris, I think it was Chris
Ford brought up an interesting point.
He said. You'll notice when they do the
lightsaber fights at the at the end of the episode, they don't
make the noises then go like we do, right?
Because they've never seen a lightsaber in person.
They don't know what it sounds like and what it makes.
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Like that, That broke my brain alittle bit.
Thank you. Right.
No, no. No, no.
No so in universe. And and I know, and I know the
spot too. Yeah, when Whim and Neil were
waiting for the bus. Yeah, and they and they, they,
they go, they, they fight, they're like, you know, but
there, there's no lightsaber sound effects because that's
what we do in outs in, in our universe and then the real
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world. But in Star Wars, they, they
don't know, you know. Who I there was some news story
recently, not recently, but likeit was some one of the actors in
I want to say it was one of the shows maybe where they just they
couldn't get the actor or actress to stop making.
The. The noises, it's actually really
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challenging. It is.
It's so hard. Yeah, but does was.
Wasn't that Ewan McGregor's problem too?
He was, but like me, I couldn't remember who it is but.
I thought it was Ewan McGregor. It might have been.
I think it, I think it's been multiple times like Ewan said,
mentioned that maybe it was. From everybody.
So I don't remember anyway, but yeah, it's definitely pretty.
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It's common and and the fact that they had the restraint and
the thought to say, let's not have the kids do that
intentionally. So, you know, I just I it's that
level of detail. I just really appreciate it.
Or just like a bedroom of a of akid in a random suburb, right,
That, but it looks Star Warsy. They just did such a phenomenal
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job of blending and this and this is probably the most quote
UN quote mundane we've ever seenStar Wars, right?
It's just it's a bunch of kids going to school, living their
lives, you know, trying to forgetting about major tests
that are are coming up. It it just has this really
magical quality about it that, you know, is makes the show, I
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think kind of special. Right.
And and when you're talking about how you're making it
within universe in suburbia, think about all those school
kids where they're behind the desk.
Doesn't that remind you of a spot in and, or where you had, I
think it was the Imperial centeror something where all these
people are behind a desk and they're working You, you still
have that same feel, even thoughit's a bunch of kids in a
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classroom. And then the fascinating thing
when they're in the classroom, this Under Secretary Farrah
coming in to try and explain to them, you know what this is what
this is the thing I find fascinating so far.
What did you guys think of UnderSecretary Farrah coming in and
saying you're going to have to take this test to figure out
what you're going to be going forward, what career path you're
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going to be and all this other stuff.
I. So I almost brought this up when
we were talking about William's father as well.
But like there's this very, I'm gonna call it like traditional
Western ideal of almost almost wanna call it like that like 80s
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perfectionism type of or like 60s.
Yeah. Yeah, whatever, whatever.
Older than me. Sorry TomTom, you remember those
days, right everyone? Everyone lives happily in their
suburban lifestyle. Everyone, you know, has the
droids mowing the lawn. The kids go to school and
everyone learns. But like, there's these
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references, these references to like the, the great work or the
work where everyone seems to be involved.
And even like, you know, later on in the episode and in this,
this episode, the second one, the kids are talking about like,
you know, they don't really knowwhat their parents do.
They're all just they're analysts or they're, you know,
they're administrators, which onthe one hand, kids don't know
what parents do, but on the other hand, like they don't,
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they don't seem to know even like what the project is.
And then there's, like you said,Tom, this career assessment
test, which is beyond just the like the SAT, but it's the
William, you're a 10 year old, you know you were going to take
this test and it will determine your future.
And this is the path you're on. And that's what.
You're going to be. It's kind of a dark undertone
for such an idyllic place. Yeah, for sure.
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And that's that, that that struck me too.
I was like, wait a minute. Like you would think, oh, you,
you have no choice, right? You're going to take this test
and this is your career and and you're boxed in and it's it's
definitely like, oh, things are so nice and so wonderful, but
what's underneath the surface, There's something I feel like
there's something wrong, right? And we get some hints and and of
course we're talking about the first two episodes of the show.
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They're both out so or focus on one and the other.
I think it's probably worth crossing over a little bit
because for. Stuff like this, yeah.
Because, you know, like you mentioned, right, there's the
the interest boring careers thatno one seems to know about.
They mentioned the great work, which to me that kind of reminds
me of in the High Republic, there were a series of great
works that were these major initiatives like Starlight
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Beacon and the and the Fair on Valo.
I wonder if this is a similar High Republic great work.
And the reason for that is they,you'll notice they say Republic
repeatedly, not New Republic. They say Republic later, right?
When they will, and we'll talk about this more, but when, when
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they go off planet to the, the, the pirate hideout hideout,
right? Yeah.
The dock, the porch. That's the word I was looking
for. You know, he has Republic decks
is what they call it as, as the cash, I believe.
I'm guessing that's probably short for Republic deckteries,
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which we heard of in The PhantomMenace.
And that's the currency of the, the, the, you know, prequels,
the, the, the, you know, the, the, the glory, the, the later
days of the Republic, I guess can't say the high Republic,
can't say the old Republic, but the later days of the Republic.
And so I'm, I'm getting a sense.And of course is this mysterious
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barrier thing that they can't cross and no one seems to know
about. And the fact that also no one
knows about their planet Adam, right?
It's, it's seems to be, we'll talk about this more, but it
seems to be a, a fairy tale, a myth where a treasure is, is is
is is is something out there. I get the sense that there is
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something else, something very certainly mysterious and
possibly wrong about the planet and that maybe they've been cut
off for quite some time. I don't know.
It's it's interesting. It's very interesting, but you
see that's that's so far cool thing about the shows because
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it's keeping you interested because it's giving you that
little bits as you go along. Even going into the second
episode, there's little bits that you're you're slowly
unraveling and they're not telling you upfront what's going
on. You're finding out as you go
along because you're watching what's happening from the kids
point of view because even all four kids are confused about
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what's going on. Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's for sure. I just, it's I I'm very curious
to learn more about what happensbecause there's, there's some,
there's some weird, some weird stuff going on.
I guess, I guess we'll say. Well, we have to.
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We have to backtrack a bit and talk about the two girls that
are in the show. We have Fern and we have KBKB
was kind of interesting because she had that.
I think Steven and I, we talked a little bit about this.
She kind of had that little Lobot aspect to her.
To me, it was almost, almost like a little bit of an Android
thing, but she wasn't a completeLobot to where she saw her
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consciousness. She to me, she was almost like
an Echo, an Echo character, a Echo clone.
Yeah, I think it's a really gooddescription.
Just like we see her plug into, you know, the why am I like in
the name of the ship, the Onic, the Onic Cinder.
Yeah, I'm, I'm intensely curious.
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What like if we'll learn more about what the why, you know,
like why why does? She have it, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean that that that that
this is and but you see this. This is the fun thing about the
show. There is so much.
You see her in Unravel. Yeah, it is interesting.
We don't see her parents either.Like we know, you know, Wim's
father is work is part of like an analyst I believe.
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Wendell I I don't even remember all the kids names.
Fern Fern's mother is the Under Secretary, Farah.
Yeah, I guess we see in Neil's parents briefly.
Yeah, through the window. We don't get a ton of info about
them either, but. And remember, he has, he has a
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couple brothers or sisters or whatever.
He has siblings. Yeah, some.
He has siblings. Yeah, I don't know, lots, like I
said, well, Tom, lots of really,you know, interesting questions
that the show is exploring whilethe majority of the show is, you
know, very classic. Like is that 80s fair of like
women's meant to take the test? He, you know, misses the bus
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cause of course and has to, you know, sidetrack side whatever,
head through the forest to try and get to school.
As a quick aside, I would like to begin a campaign.
I think there needs to be an agelimit on when children should be
allowed on speeders because Wim has a speeder that seems to be
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Rd. legal. Fern is Rd. legal.
They do not have the decision making ability to drive on the
road alongside the speed. So you see Tom, these are these
are these these these these these bikes are are speed
limited. They're more like real world
bikes that you would have and kids right in the street on
those too, right? It's just.
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Yeah, but they're going honking fast right now.
OK. And then and you're sitting here
talking about, you know, they should be limited.
Then if I were KB, I'd be like, why am why am I the one that
does not have this bike and I have to ride, ride sidecar to
Fern? Yeah, I do.
Almost gets his kill when 2 buses are like coming right
there and she goes right. I mean, but that's clearly the
dynamic with like KB in Fern. Like that's the thing I think
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works really well, like the first two episodes of the show,
is we get very clear setup for all four of our characters.
Yes, absolutely. You know, William is looking to
go on adventure. Go, you know, beyond what, like
live, live out of fantasy. Basically be a hero.
Fern wants to rebel, do something different.
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She's like the Han Solo type character.
Yeah, she is. Yeah, she's a Han Solo.
KB is very clearly like in Fern Shadow and is unable to break
out of that and you know, doesn't really stand up for
herself. And I don't, I don't have as
good of a sense of Neil Neil's very.
He's Neil. I love Neil, he is such a great
character. I love.
Him, I think he's going to be the breakout character.
Yeah, Neil Nation, right, 'causeas as the the actor, what was
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his name? Robert Timothy Smith.
There we go. Mentioned.
But yeah, I know he's like, he'sjust such a good a good friend,
right. He offers to hold him, you know,
he offers to hold himself back if he's like, oh, whim you're
you're going to fail the test and have to be held back a year.
You know, I really like this other girl in the class, but
I'll just I'll hold myself back too, so we can be together,
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right. He's just such a sweet, sweet
guy. And I really like him.
And yeah, I think Robert TimothySmith just does a really
wonderful job playing him. And he, he said his, we had a
chance to interview him as well.And he said his his influence or
his his goal was to make Neil the the nicest guy ever, right.
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He really wanted to make Neil sweet and kind to all the people
around him as much as possible. And that shows.
Yeah, that really shows. Yeah.
Meanwhile, I guess Fern is like I said, she's a Hansel
character, but she's also kind of like the she her her mom
being seemingly fairly high up is is like always pushing her to
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succeed and the she you know, she also has like gets into
speeder bike races. I wonder if that we we briefly
meet this other rival gang, I guess, of hover bikes.
Banj Fada is kind of the the theleads the rival group of speed
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hoverbikers or has speed bikes hoverbikers and he kind of only
appears very briefly in the episode.
So I don't know if they'll, I suspect maybe they'll come back
into play in in some way, but. Yeah, but I would think they'd
only come back into play once they get back into the planet
because, you know, they they literally left the planet, which
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I find very surprising when theyfind the Onyx and they get into
the ship. They left very noisily, but it
seemed like the droids who were in the forest trying to find
what happened. Oh yeah, the safety droids.
The safety droids, yeah. That that was one thing was
like, OK, you're, you're walkingyour safety droids trying to
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figure out what's happened. But you would think they'd have
some kind of inkling that it could have been a spaceship.
It seemed like for me that that there wasn't that that
connection of what's of what created this noise.
There's this gentleman I hear screaming that that his kid was
inside of a ship and all this other stuff.
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Steven, go ahead. I just.
No, I'm, I'm actually really curious.
Like we, we don't learn like of course we don't learn the
answers in the 1st 2 episodes ofthe show, but.
Which I'm happy we don't. You know, the, the the ship
leaves pretty quickly. But like, yeah, most Star Wars
planets would have, you know, sensors or would would notice,
you know, a ship taking off to some degree.
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I wonder if the barrier is involved here.
Like, we don't really know what the barrier is, right.
But yeah, like it's lots of openquestions.
I think an interesting thing is if whatever this barrier is,
like you said Steven, if a ship is leaving orbit, there should
have been some kind of an alarm is or a.
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Tractor beam or something right like.
OK. And but here's here's here's the
interesting thing, though. Now comes into question.
Is really the barrier real? I mean, we do see some of it
because didn't we see in the skygreen swirls?
And I think even one of the kidsdescribed it OK.
So I. Don't think we have any reason
to think it's not real. Like we, like I said, we see
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that the sky is definitely unique.
For real real. Well, and you notice when they
get up into space. Yeah, but real by way of an
actual shield to keep them. Yeah, 'cause when they get into
space, the kids even say they'venever seen the stars before.
Right. Which is fascinating to me.
Yeah, totally fascinating. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know, I, I, we skipped
over a lot of getting up into into space.
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I know, I'm sorry, but it it's. It brings up a lot of questions,
but they're great questions to talk about and sadly that we had
to jump a bit so. Yeah, so I guess we'll we'll,
we'll, we'll come back to the Onyx Cinder because that was a
really that was a really cool sequence.
But you know, as you mentioned, right when he tries to get get
to the school in time for his test and he does not, he falls
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into a into ravine and discoversa mysterious hatch in the no,
this is not lost. He he discovers a mysterious
hatch in the in the side of the this ravine.
And of course, you know, thankfully the scary Droid finds
him and takes him to school. And I was a little annoyed that
his dad didn't even seem to careabout what happened to him.
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It was like just he just got madat him.
But you know, Fern's there. She overhears something about a
mysterious hatch and and that kind of sets up their encounter
later. First, of course, Neil, sorry,
Wim does not go home and study for his test.
He gets a second chance, but no,instead he goes and it goes over
to his best friend Neil's house to tell him what he found and
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and get him to come with him to investigate the the this this
hatch. There were two notable moments
from the sequence. First, Neil being in the middle
of a bath was pretty hilarious. Oh, that was, that was so funny.
That was funny. But the other thing was, did you
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guys notice what was the the theJerich table?
I did and it disturbed me greatly.
You know, you know what it's from.
Rock back memories William, of things that just shouldn't
exist. Are you talking the clown thing
and be bobber that was happeningbecause when I saw the table, I
was expecting to see little creatures fighting themselves.
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And then, yes, I agree, Steven. Straight out of the holiday.
Special It is A1 for one recreation of the holiday
Special. In fact, they were hoping that
when we I was interviewing ChrisFord and John Watson, they were
saying they were hoping they'd be able to use the exact same
footage, but it was too low resolution and the wrong angle
said to cut different angles. And so they rebuilt the entire
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thing from scratch. They got the costumes rebuilt.
They figured out that they foundthe original to costume designer
and worked with that their costumes that are happen to know
the original costume designer and they work together to
recreate the original costumes. They redid the music from
scratch and there was no copy ofthe music.
Yeah, I think it was Chris Ford said there was it was like 20
times more work than they anticipated to recreate the
exact video from the holiday special.
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They even re choreographed the whole thing.
It's kind of amazing. I I love that they have these
giant deep cut references to thestuff that's so cool.
I. That's what I I got to say.
I love stuff like that where it's just the little itty bitty
Easter eggs. And thank you for bringing that
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up because like I said, that wasgreatly disturbing.
But to know that that came from the holiday special kind of puts
the icing on the cake as to why.Yeah.
So good. I love they recreated every
aspect of it just for the show. So good.
OK, so let's talk about the Hatch, right?
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They they get to the Hatch. Of course, there's a whole
classic 80s kids, you know, oh, calling claims or no boys, no
girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is fine.
It's just a bunch of kids. They they thankfully did a good
job balancing making it, yes, having a bunch of kid actors,
child actors, but not being too.This is maybe the scene that was
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like a little bit on the edge, but for the most part it didn't
feel like it was targeting younger viewers at all, which
was good. But yeah, what'd you guys think
of the Hatch itself? I mean, clearly a Jedi temple.
William Yeah, Clearly, clearly. You go walking in, there was
lightsabers everywhere. You could see the temple guard
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statues, you know, on top of that you saw like a whole bunch
of like Moss and skeletons and swords.
OK, Tom, now you're confusing people.
Half of that's true and half of that was completely made-up.
Well. I thought I'd throw that out
there because, you know, that's what people probably expected,
but that's not what happened. What happened was there were no
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Jedi lightsabers in there. There are no tempo guards in
there. The kid was was obviously wrong.
That's not what it was, but he found himself a spaceship.
Yeah, and not just any spaceship.
Basically a ghost pirate ship. Which is so.
Cool, right? It it it felt like straight out
of Pirates of the Caribbean or something and even.
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Yeah, I will say like of momentsI wish they'd maybe tweaked
slightly, like the fact that theship had literal pirate hats I
thought was maybe a a a touch far.
And the spyglass. And the compass spyglass.
Where I was just like, and I to be fair, I hope we explain at
some point why what those thingsare like if we learn more about,
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you know, the previous owners ofthe ship, whatever it might be.
But yeah, like the the captain'shat plus, sorry, the pirate's
hat specifically, plus the sky gas was just like this feels a
little a little close. OK, I hate to say it, but I'm
going to have to jump to the second episode 'cause it was
there. There was an actual Pirates of
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the Caribbean reference in the second episode.
Oh was there I missed. That and.
The no, no. What was it that you guys
completely missed it? The whistling for the dog.
Was this? Oh, I totally missed that.
This was this was when they werein the Brig.
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OK, yeah. And it.
Was right before the key and if you heard in the background
there was the whistling for the dog.
You didn't see anybody. You just heard the you heard the
whistling for the dog. I'll say I I even thought that
set looked very similar. But anyway, yeah.
I kind of felt like you're in the Black Pearl.
OK, well, but but I just I sat there and I'm like I picked it
up heartbeat. I'm like, I didn't groan
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because, put it, it wasn't loud.It must have been, yeah, super
subtle in the background. Yeah, that's.
That's cool. It was subtle enough to where if
you listened my the the way my ears are.
I'm sorry. It was there.
Yeah, it. Was no, I believe you.
I believe you. Oh yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah, 'cause. That's why.
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That's why the pirate thing within the ship didn't bother
me. Now if it was a bed with the
pirate skeleton looking at a jewel and a skull above it, then
that would have bothered me. I, I feel like we're going to
learn more about this ship, right 'cause we see very, we
don't see that much of it 'causeit's pretty dark in the 1st
episode. The second episode we see a
little bit more we and we meet the Droid SM33, who we see in
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this episode because doesn't actually talk yet.
We'll, we'll talk about him because he's a cool, he's a cool
character as well. I love it.
And but yeah, I guess that, you know, I loved how you're in this
ship and you don't really know what it is at first.
Just kind of looks like a dark cave or something and there's
technology in there. And then they get the power on
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and Wim walks into the cockpit and it's upside down.
He's standing on the ceiling andyou see the, the, the chairs
come, You know that they're actually rising, but they,
they're, they're lowering because they're upside down,
right? And you know, of course it
becomes a running joke through the the first few episodes,
right? He presses a, a button and the
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ship rotates. It turns on and it lifts out of
the ground and it rotates and it, you know, it like comes out
of the, the ground and you know,they're like, they, they run
outside. They're on top of the ship.
They're almost falling off. They have to get back in the
Hatch just in time before they fall hundreds of feet to the
ground. It was such a cool scene.
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It was a cool scene. It was a cool scene because I
like how you said the ship rotated and the nice thing was
when it was rotating, you didn'tsee them inside rotating with
it. You saw them trying to escape
and you kind of saw them rotating on the outside as it
was rotating. Yeah, I like that.
It's that was cool. It's so cool.
It is so cool. And then, you know, the ship
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takes off. As you know, Whim's dad Wendell,
is down there like looking for his son and sees him in the ship
as they're taking off. And they go into space through
the barrier, whatever it is, andthen jump into hyperspace.
And that's it, like they have nocontrol, they just boom, they're
gone. And it is such a great ending
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for the 1st episode. Totally sets you up for the
second episode. Yes, which let's let's let's
keep it on, keep on rolling and jump right into the second
episode again, you know, right where we left off.
They're still on this ship. They don't know where they are
now and they are introduced to this.
You know, it's kind of a very creepy intro.
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I were introduced to the Droid SM 33 like a decaying pirate
Droid. Steven, your thoughts on SM33,
voiced by Nick Frost. I mean, so same sort of thing
where he's very much that the pirate twang down, for lack of a
better word. That being said, I definitely
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really liked him. Just a fantastic character.
Also, I don't like question, is SM 33 the Droid or the rat?
The Droid, The Droid. Are you Are you sure?
Are you sure they're not the same?
They could be. Yeah, I know.
I'm I like, I feel like there might be, you know, an 7th, 7th
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episode reveal, you know, so. You think there's some biotic.
You're you're kind of thinking there's some biotic.
I mean, maybe, I don't know, I'mjust saying the rats seem to pop
back up consistently, which I thought was impressive.
Interesting. I don't actually think that, but
it didn't make me laugh. It would be an interesting
curveball, but yeah, it but I I great Droid.
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Yeah, such a great Droid. I I just love that he is, he is
like your typical pirate, right with the accent and he arguing
and he's missing an eye. We have, you know, the critter
in his eye. He sounds exactly like a, you
know, a pirate's first mate. And, and even it's kind of
silly, right? But the, the way Fern comes with
an idea to fool, to trick the Droid into making her the
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captain by saying she killed theformer captain.
And he's like, oh, well, OK, you're you're the captain now.
You know, it's just, it's it's fun.
It's just fun. You got to give her credit.
That was quick thinking. Yeah, Yep, Yep.
And, you know, so of course, we got a fun sequence where he
teaches them to fly the ship, and it's kind of overwhelming.
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Wow for them. OK, air quotes.
Teaches them to fly, yes. Then I I got to throw this out
there, either of you guys see the movie Fanboys?
Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, one point.
Of time it's been, Yeah, well, it's been a long time, but but
how about the and I don't think this was a direct reference, but
don't press this button. Yeah, yeah.
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I did appreciate how it was described too, like an
emergency, like whole separator separation device or whatever,
right? Which I assume is the self
destruct. But yes.
I have to man, right? Yeah, no, it's maybe not.
Maybe there's something unique about it.
I, I just, I just thought of fanboys.
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I'm sorry when I when I saw thatit's like whatever you do, don't
touch this button. I just really want to learn more
about this. I just really want to learn more
about this, this ship and, and, and the world at Aton as well.
Right. I, I just, this showed us such a
good job of setting up interesting mysteries that I'm
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assuming will be, you know, unravelled as we go through the,
the rest of the, the season. It's just I feel like they're, I
don't want to compare stuff, butI feel like they're doing all
the right things in this show. Yeah, they are versus the last
one. I'll just say that.
I I think what I like about the ship, which you have to unravel
is you had skeleton corpses inside of pirates who killed the
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pirates. Was it a mutiny within the
pirates? They ended up killing each
other. And how, how did that ship be on
that planet for so long? Yes, it was covered by Earth and
trees and things, but nobody on that planet had a record of the
ship even being there. So in why?
We will talk in a moment about Jude Law's character Jad na na
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Wood, which quite the name I'll say.
I think it feels pretty obvious that Jude Law is Captain Silva
from the first episode. Like that was my, you can
correct me if I'm wrong, but like, you know, arrested by the
pirates. We see those same pirates on,
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you know, this kind of port. So we obviously like there's a
story about what's going on withAdaten.
There's a story about Jod, God Jod and his relationship with
the pirates. Do you think we'll get answers
about the the Onyx Cinder as well?
I think we will like in it. I feel like the Onyx Cinder is
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almost a character of its own right on this.
Show. I would think that this to me
would make sense. I would think as you're in that
ship, you're going to see the mystery of the ship starting to
unfold. Because SM 33, even though he
has no idea where at Aton is andhas never heard of it, he must
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have somewhere in his databanks a history of being in that ship,
what came before, what happened to the crew that was there.
And he may not know how it crashed on the planet, but the
history of the ship is is embedded in him and I'm pretty
sure it should be unravelled as we go along with everything
else. Yeah, no, for for sure, I, I
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think it, I think it will be. And again, you know, I, we don't
know for sure, but I, I, I suspect it, it will be a big
piece of the the show and it's yeah, I think those three of the
big the big three pieces. I just think the the premise for
this right, for kids who kind ofaccidentally get taken away from
their home planet, are now forced to go on an adventure.
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Of course, whim always wanted togo on an adventure, but going
actually going dreaming about one and actually going on one
are two very different things. And it could be a lot scarier
and a lot harder than than you ever imagined.
And the fact that no one knows their you know, about like
though they've they don't know where at AT and is they've
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they've heard of it, but it's a it's a planet that's, you know,
I think 1 character calls it later, right?
It's she'll, she says, tells them she'll need a much better
story than they'll need a much better story than being from a
lost planet of eternal treasure,which everyone knows is a myth.
And so it's an interesting premise around they left, but
they there's no way to get home.And it's not that they can't
find help is that there's literally no one knows how to
(46:56):
get them home and slash they are.
It's a mythical planet that doesn't it's like I'm from
Atlantis, right? It's like, oh, that's great, but
that doesn't help us. Yeah.
Like where? You're really from?
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a cool concept.
Yeah. And then that takes us to Port
Borgo, or where, you know, wherethey supposedly say you'll rest
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well in a soft bed or a shallow grave.
Boy, a shallow grave on a planetthat's made out of metal.
That'll be interesting, yeah. That's true, Tom.
So it this is a cool planet, right?
I I don't really plan it at space station.
I guess it's again straight out of a pirate movie.
You got this. You know, ferryman on this
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probably the rickety is transport I have ever seen in
Star Wars. It looks like it's held together
with tape and some plastic sheeting.
It's not good. Don't recommend it.
Yeah, but it gets you from pointA to point B, so who's
complaining? Barely would you ever stepping
on it and it was like flapping in the in space of like, oh,
they're going to have a whole breach any 2nd and it's piloted
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by teks from you know, the the same creature.
I don't know the exact same character, but you know the same
species as it from the Ewoks, the battle for indoor movies,
which was cool getting another reference.
But yeah, this is so I think we've talked about some of the
Star Wars shows. There haven't been a lot of
creatures and aliens. This one's like whole get ready
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because we're just going to throw aliens at you left and
right. Pardon me for saying this.
This show is like, hold my beer.Here's what you wanted.
Because this, this to me, what all the other shows lacked, this
to me was Star Wars through and through because there were
aliens everywhere and you could see that they really worked on
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making sure the environment worked with all the aliens.
And I hate to say it, you could see where the budget from the
show went. It's like the Moss Heisley
Cantina writ large. It's just everywhere.
Yeah. Yes.
On top of that, all the ships when they were going into that
port, yes, it's all CG, but the amount of ships in the
atmosphere, they really worked on this to make sure that it was
(49:15):
believable within the universe, because that's what we missed
from a lot of these. You missed this type of
atmosphere. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest,
some some of the creatures I thought looked a little off, but
it wasn't really a critique of this show.
It's more of like, I'll be honest, right, 'cause when they
made A New Hope, there's a great, great creatures in there.
Some of them look a little a little weird.
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And that's because they just didn't have a big budget at the
time. And they are being true to A New
Hope, so I can't fault them too much.
You know, they're not like the highest quality creatures, but
they are perfect, right, Recreations from like A New
Hope. So again, it's not the, you
know, the worst thing. And yeah, it is a scary place.
(49:58):
There are so many creatures and,and, like, it's danger around
every corner. I think the kids split up again
into you know, Fern and KB and women kneel and they very
quickly both get like the girls are almost kidnapped.
Thankfully they they realize what's happening and try to
(50:18):
escape. Milna and the the boys are I
guess they go order some disgusting food.
They. They they were a little hungry.
Don't blame them, actually. Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to
eat, though. It kind of actually reminds me
of in in Star Wars Outlaws, how you can go sit down and order
(50:40):
food on the planet. Yeah, same, same type of feel.
Yeah. And, and they're, it's, it's a
dangerous place. They're they are way in over
their heads. And they're, I mean, they're
basically on a pirate port. So I'm not right.
I'm not surprised, but. But it, it also this, I think I,
I alluded to earlier about this is where Neil's going to go pay
(51:02):
for the food. And I think it was brought up, I
think Steven, you brought it up about the Republic decks.
And that's where all the piratesare.
Just like, where did you get this?
Because they've not seen anything like this, let's say
like forever or ever. They've only heard about it.
And then all of a sudden they realize that, hey, thankfully
Neil hid most of it. But they're just like, you must
(51:23):
have more on you. So that basically set them up to
be now with on the planet. They're wanted kids because
they're hiding something. Yeah, yeah.
So it's yeah, it's definitely dangerous.
I they do. They did a really good job of
making the planet scary and dangerous.
And you know, eventually they dohave both have to run away and
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it leads to this big kind of brawl almost or, you know, they
they get surrounded and here, you know, we can we see Brutus,
who's now the leader and all theother characters from the
beginning of the first episode, all the other pirates and they
surround the kids and just, you know, thankfully SM 33 comes out
(52:13):
of nowhere and just. So cool.
Almost everyone. Steven, you're I.
Always say like I this episode in particular made me really
appreciate SM 33. Like maybe if it were just the
the pirate accent, it would havebothered me.
But like a watching him consistently, like, I don't even
know, like make himself bigger, for lack of a better word, is
(52:36):
super cool. Unlike he elongates his arms to,
you know, really lay into them. And then he's got the the
Shields pop up or very dirgesk from the 2D Clone Wars
animation. If you go way back.
The only side part is, you know,he get he gets knocked out and
we don't see what happens to himafter this, but yeah.
(52:57):
Well, I I'm not just knocked out.
He gets shot in the back. And I mean, it looks like he
died to me. Yeah.
I, you know, he's such a cool Droid and so I, I hope, I hope
this is not the end of him, but it did not look good.
(53:18):
So, you know, the kids are ultimately captured and thrown
in the Brig where they can cool off because, you know, they, the
pirates are, they're not sure they're how they got to the
starport and pass their defensesAnd they, they want to know more
about these kids because they'rebeing from a mythical planet,
right? It's just, it's odd.
So they throw them in in the Brig.
(53:39):
Very another very piratey thing to do.
And of course the there's a key outside their cell, but it's too
far away. And the little I creature from
SM33I, I don't know what it's called.
I wish we did. It's just like.
It's called the Rat. I feel like that's a worthy
(54:00):
enough name. Yeah, the the rat thing.
I I rat it, they try to have it grab the key and of course that
fails and that's when the last member of the main cast appears.
I don't think he actually introduces himself in this
episode but his name is Jod na na Wood and played by Jude Law
(54:22):
and he. It's a mouthful.
It's, it's a terrible name. I'm sorry like.
Every time I try and say it, it's just like, no, it's.
Just and also is his name Jod Jod na I I don't know how you're
is is you know, I don't know what his first name is, but.
I I almost wanted to just just say Jude Law.
(54:42):
I'm sorry. Jod.
Jod, there you go. Yeah, but you know, he's, he's
there. He he kind of comes out of the
shadows and he tells them that the distance between them and
the key is merely an illusion. Illusion.
And he raises his hand and the key floats to him.
And clearly, you know, Wim makesthe connection.
(55:03):
He's a Jedi and he shushes his finger, you know, gives him a
shushing motion and says, can you keep a secret?
And that's it. And I think lots of questions,
right, You know, why, why is he in the Brig?
How long has he been there? I think Steven, you said your
theory is that he's Captain Silvo.
I think that's a logical theory.I, I don't know for sure.
(55:28):
Like because it is odd that theywould introduce that at the
beginning and not tie that back in, you know, later in the in.
Between those, sorry, maybe thisis just me being me or I should
say like, but it's just like, ah, let's introduce a character
in the beginning of the show, like the first name character we
kind of see and let's put him ina mask like it it feels like it
(55:50):
should be, but like. Well, the other thing is on the
other hand, lies credited in thefirst episode, but he we don't
actually see his character. No, it would.
It would be. I mean, sometimes they give
credits if you're not in this inepisode still the other thing.
Though is, you know, we see him throwing punches in that opening
scene. Captain Silvo, he's not using
the force. So yeah, maybe if it like, did
(56:14):
he learn to use the force in prison?
Like, you know, he started an intense meditation regime.
OK, let's let's just say it's ignoring Captain Silvo for a
minute. Just jawed.
Why is he in the Brig? Why is there a force?
Who's are there? Why didn't he free himself,
right? I have many questions.
He was he was waiting for the right crew, I guess.
I don't know. I mean, but he's.
That's what he's waiting for. He should keep waiting because
(56:36):
410 year olds probably not the right crew.
Tom. But but put it this way, we're
bringing up some great questionsthat we can't wait to see the
answers for going forward. They've laid so many little
bread crumbs just to be answered.
And and that's why I'm like looking at the two episodes
going, I really enjoyed them. Yeah, No, it's I, I agree.
(57:00):
I agree. I I really had a lot of fun with
this premiere. I think it's, I mean, we just go
to our enter our ratings when I go over rate the first episode
and rate the second episode, I guess unless you want to do them
together. But let's let's just let's do
them separately. How's that?
So yeah. Let's go separate.
Steven, you want to go first? Oh, you would.
(57:23):
I'm gonna talk about both of theepisodes together, bro.
We'll rate them separately. I think this might be one of the
most promising openings we've gotten for a Star Wars show.
Like I'm, I'm trying to think back to, you know, Andor,
fantastic show, but the first 3 episodes were a little bit on
the slow side to really get going.
(57:45):
I felt like, you know, the firstepisode here was decently long.
It was like 40 plus minutes. We spend a lot of time on the
kind of school 80s children story, but there's enough bits
that are left there that I thinkhold your attention through the
episode. And then we'll get into the
second episode. And it it has all the magic of
(58:06):
the cantina. Like you're surrounded by
aliens. You are it truly, you know, in
the Star Wars universe. And it is phenomenal.
And it, I mean, it ends on a hook of like, you know,
obviously Jude Law is a, you know, very famous and, like,
fantastic actor. And we haven't even gotten to
(58:26):
see what he's going to be doing in the show yet.
I, I think it is one of the bestpremieres we've gotten out of a
Star Wars show. And it's not to say that they're
perfect by any means or anythinglike that.
I think I'm trying to think, I don't wanna write these.
I think I'll get the first episode about a 7 1/2 solid, but
definitely, you know, little bitof a little on the slower side
(58:51):
if through the middle portion ofit.
And the second episode I'd give I think an 8 1/2 out of 10.
Really kicks things into gear and delivers and sets up a
bunch. And it, like Tom said, sets up a
whole bunch of mysteries that I actually want to find out and
learn more about throughout the episodes.
So whatever 8 1/2 + 7 1/2 is, that's what 16 you dig.
(59:11):
The math OK. Close enough.
Nailed it. So that's 16 womp rats total.
I mean, half and half, but you know, we'll leave that aside for
a moment. Clearly at AT needs better child
safety laws. Like I don't care if the
speeders are considered bikes ornot.
My 16 womp rats are all dedicated to overhauling AT
(59:33):
atoms. Like Rd. laws, you know, car
registration. Like there is some very clear
issues here that need to be dealt with.
They're going to be taking a look at that very soon.
Wow all. Right, Tom, you're up.
OK, sorry. As you can tell, I enjoyed both
(59:54):
of these episodes and I'm reallylooking forward to seeing how
the series is going to play out.So sorry in the first episode
I've got to give that one Steven.
I'm going to match yours with a 7.5.
I really believe they. They've really set a good bar
going forward. They've set really good
mysteries, they've set good plotpoints.
(01:00:17):
So I'm looking forward to seeinghow it proceeds.
The second episode I really enjoyed.
I don't want to mirror it, but Steven, I'm going to give it an
8.5 as well. I, I can't give it a nine
because it really is only the second episode.
I just love the Star Wars feel to it.
I, I, I just really, really feelthis is going to be a fun show
(01:00:39):
to watch going forward. So it's 8.5 for the second
episode. So again, out of two averaging
them together, 1.15 whatever, 365.
So it's 16 as well. So my 16 wom brats.
OK, so my 16 WOM brats, they were actually on the the pirate
(01:01:05):
planet and they were actually helping the kids escape as best
as they could. And yeah, they took down a
couple pirates on the way out. Sadly, half of them didn't make
it, but the other half was able to get to the Onyx.
And somehow they're running around on board and they're
going to try and figure out the mystery before the kids.
(01:01:27):
So that's what my supreme want plans have done.
Yeah, it's a race against time to see who figures out the
mystery, the Onyx first. OK, well, you know, yeah, I
guess I'll, I'll round it out. I, I think I talked about at the
beginning, I love the optimism and the excitement in the first
episode. I just thought this suburb of
Star Wars was so cool. I, you know, I'm actually gonna
give it 8 1/2 womb rats and the second episode I think I'll do
(01:01:50):
it 8:00 just because it's I think the pirate den was easy.
It's cool. It's limited me to less my my
style to some degree, but I justhave to say this show is, it's
so much fun. I, I enjoyed it the first time I
watched it. And then when I rewatched
episodes, I loved it even more. You know, there is just really
(01:02:11):
something special about this. You know, it's kind of that
Amblin style, you know, show, you know, it's, it's clearly
based on these, you know, beloved Amblin, Amblin movies,
but it's done in the, in the Star Wars universe in a really
unique way. And it makes the show feel
different and fresh. And it still feels very much
(01:02:33):
like Star Wars, but also very much its own thing.
And I like that. I like the, the pirate
references. It's kind of a cool, you know,
concept. You know, some of these things,
I feel like on paper they almostwouldn't work.
But when you put them all together, it's like just, it's
just a brilliant idea. And I am excited to see where
(01:02:54):
they take the rest of the, the, of the, the season.
I think we've got 8 episodes in the season.
I just can't wait to to see whatthey do.
I really liked it. So I think, yeah, my, I guess
it's my 16 1/2 womp rats are, you know, I think the, the
little creature inside of SM33'seye is actually a baby womp rat.
(01:03:17):
And there's a whole family of womp rats inside SM 33.
And it's not the same. It's just there's multiple,
there's keep coming out throughout.
Yeah, exactly. Interesting.
OK. Yeah, exactly.
So there, there you go. But no, I think this show is
really fun. I can't wait for you all to to
see it and and send us your thoughts.
You know, we're, we're putting up this episode on release date
(01:03:39):
on the release date. The episode just dropped like a
couple minutes ago. As we're, you know, I guess as
we're putting this up, as you're, as you're listening to
Lucas was kind enough to send usthe first 3 episodes of the
seasons we have seen. The next episode we did not.
We tried to, when we talked about this episode, as we always
do right when we have advanced screeners, we talked about it
(01:04:01):
from the write the show notes atthe point where we've only seen
the 1st 2:00. And we talked about it from that
mindset. And any speculation we do is
just based on what we would normally have done.
How do we only see those episodes?
And so we try not to infuse any of what we know will be coming
into that. And sometimes we're right and
sometimes we're wrong with the, you know, the speculation and
and stuff. But yeah, I'm excited to see
(01:04:23):
hear more of what everyone thinks as you watch the premiere
and of course the third episode 2, because it's, it's a, it's a
really, it's a really special show and I think the, the team's
done a, a phenomenal job on it. I guess one more thing before we
close. So as I mentioned, we did
interview the the kids, right, the actors who play Wim, Fern,
(01:04:46):
Neil and KB. And I asked them what was your
favorite episode of the season, right?
And there was a vote for the 4thepisode in two weeks.
Interesting. Apparently it's centered around
Neil in some way, and so that's that's Neil's favorite, the
actor who plays Neil Patrick andthen the rest all set Episode 6
(01:05:11):
for character development reasons.
Some cool battles and because Bryce Dallas Howard directed it
as well, so. Oh nice.
That's a little tease for some of the upcoming episodes.
So yeah, I, I'm excited. Thank you all for listening.
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Episode 3. We should know there might be
episode titles. We don't have them yet.
The the scooters didn't include the episode titles, so we're
just going to call them episode 1 and 2.
We may revise that later, but thank you all for listening and
we'll be back next week with ourreview of Skeleton Crew Episode
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