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chris-patterson_1_03-20-202 (00:07):
Lay
your ear close to the hill.
Do you not catch the tinyclamor?
Busy?
Click of an elf and hammer voiceof the leprechaun singing shrill
as he merrily plows his trade.
He's a span and a quarter inheight.
Get him in sight.
Hold him tight in.
You're a made man.
You watch your cattle on asummer's day.
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Supping potatoes, sleep in thehay.
How would you like to roll inyour carriage?
Look for a duchess's daughterand marriage.
Seize the shoemaker, then youmay.
I caught him at work one daymyself, in a castle ditch with a
fox.
Gloves grow, a wrinkled whinedand bearded elf spectacle stuck
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on the point of his nose andsilver buckles to his hose.
The rogue was mine.
Beyond a doubt.
I stared him.
He stared me.
Servant, sir, he says, andpulled a snuff box out.
He took a pinch, looked betterpleased.
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Offered the box with whimsicalgrace puff.
He flung the dust in my face andwhile I sneezed, was gone.
I know all the folks round thesearts and parts.
(01:35):
Can't say I know you.
Leastways.
Not yet.
But I dare say I know whatyou'll be wanting.
Some of the crack, maybe.
How we yarn with your sup, isit?
No harm in that.
Come on over.
(01:56):
Warm yourself, hmm?
I'll warn you though.
If it's the old Begara andBlarney shenanigans you're
after, you'll not hear them fromme.
Well, if such, like, pleasesyou, you sit on.
I'll fill your ears.
And see what story is meant foryou.
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On this dark old night.
chris-patterson_2_10-23-202 (02:34):
I'm
Chris
spencey-guest437_2_10-23-20 (02:35):
I'm
Spence
chris-patterson_2_10-23-202 (02:36):
And
this is the Irish Gothic
Podcast.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-202 (03:02):
The
Tale of the Leprechaun has a
long and thrilling history withearly references dating back to
the eighth century.
The earliest known storyfeaturing leprechaun like
creatures is a rating thatdescribes King Fergus of Ulster
meeting three tiny beans.
These beans attempted to lurethe king back to their
underground layer, but Fergusmanaged to outsmart them.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (03:31):
So
it is incredible, Chris, that
you lead the stories ofleprechauns that go so far back
and.
Mean, we all have that modernday depiction, be it from movies
or cereal boxes or t-shirts in aturns shop.
what we think of leprechauns?
What do we think two to threefoot high little elfin like man
with jaunty pointed hats alwaysclouding green.
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That would be the standarddepiction of a leprechaun.
Not always the case.
Interesting.
And as, as you say, given thatthese stories have been around
since as early writing century,earlier concept, leprechaun said
that you might passed theleprechaun on the road and never
even know it himself at all.
So actually leprechaun didn'tlook that out of the ordinary.
(04:14):
And we could maybe talk a weebit about why that changed Chris
later.
even the whole color green thingSamuel Lover and his novel
Legends and Stories of Ireland,he describes them as
predominantly wearing red.
You know, the green seemed tocome later.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2 (04:28):
Yeah,
I've always thought that the
green very much emphasizesIreland and like our St.
Patrick's Day, the green is verymuch what is it, the 22 Shades
of green, that are in Irelandthat are completely red.
Doesn't seem an Irish color, ifthat makes sense.
spence_5_03-20-2025_20494 (04:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
40 Shades, isn't it?
But
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2025 (04:45):
40
shades are.
spence_5_03-20-2025_20494 (04:46):
about
that.
That was Johnny Cash people sayhe, he didn't write that.
There was a bit of controversyaround that song.
I mean I like the idea.
I think the story goes as he wasflying in Ireland on a plane,
obviously.
He saw the he saw the foods andthought these 40 shades, and
there's a line in it about, oh,I can't remember the name of the
perfume.
Let's say or something likethat.
(05:07):
And that's in the song, butthat's the perfume.
June Carter was wearing.
But anyway,
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2025 (05:12):
He
was probably, he was probably
high,
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (05:14):
He
probably was, I, uh,
chris-patterson_5_03 (05:15):
allegedly.
Allegedly
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (05:17):
of
course.
So I mean, as you say, Chris,these things, they change, they
evolve.
There seems to be a few sort ofconstants around leprechauns
that we could sort of pick outgenerally, but although not
always, but generally, there'ssolid ray creatures.
They're nearly alwaysmischievous by nature.
what else?
What else do we associate with'em is the old crock of gold, I
suppose.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-202 (05:37):
the
end of the rainbow.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (05:38):
End
of the rainbow.
If you threaten them, they canget quite violent.
They're sneaky.
They've got that kinda riddleme, this riddle me, that
sneakiness about them.
And what's the old rule?
If you come upon a leprechaun,as long as you don't break eye
contact with it, you have achance of getting in school.
But if you break eye contact.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-20 (05:57):
Perf
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (05:58):
If
chris-patterson_5_03-20-20 (05:58):
Just
like the poem perf and he's
gone.
(06:19):
Well, Spence, have you everwondered where the origin of the
word leprechaun comes from?
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (06:24):
Uh,
yes.
I mean, again, it just seemslike a word we've all known or
grown up with.
I've never actually questionedor thought about what it meant.
No.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2 (06:30):
Well,
it's, it's believed you have
come from middle Irish, themiddle Irish word, luon, which
means small body.
Over time, the spell of thisword changed the luan or Opan
but here's something reallyinteresting.
Some research suggests that itmight even have roots in the
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Roman Festival of Lu and the Luipriests.
Another link to the word isleast broken, which means one
shoe.
Because leprechauns we're alwaysoften seen only working on one
shoe.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (07:07):
Ah,
yeah.
No.
You said that's only ever oneshoe.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2025_ (07:12):
I
dunno where the other one went,
but there certainly,
spence_5_03-20-2025_2049 (07:14):
maybe.
Yeah.
The only, sort of fairycreatures that seem to have a
trade.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-20 (07:18):
well
they do have a trade though.
I remember.
Is there a fairy tale is itcalled the Elf and the shoemaker
spence_5_03-20-2025_20494 (07:24):
else.
The
chris-patterson_5_03-20-202 (07:25):
and
the elf comes in and does all
the shoes at night?
A bit of free labor, right?
Enough.
But yes.
spence_5_03-20-2025 (07:30):
Absolutely.
There'll be lots gonna startnow.
But I mean, we think about theseorigins, and we think about them
as being almost innocent,quirky.
We don't think about leprechaunsof being divine in any way.
But there is a school of thoughtthat they're actually
descendants of the land.
You know, they were magicalbeings that, served under the
Gil ghosts down.
And according to legend, know,that's Scri lived in Ireland
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long before humans, inhabitedthe land.
McNally Junior's Irish Wondersbook, from the 19th century.
He described that the origins ofleprechaun were actually, that
they were of low descent.
So they weren't off the tooth dethey were low descent.
The father being an evil spiritand the Mueller being a
degenerate fairy.
So quite a checkered originstory there for our jy little
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leprechauns.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2 (08:15):
Well,
I mean, leprechauns aren't just
golden guardians, as we allknow.
They were often described assolitary creatures.
You can hear them coming bytheir tapping signs.
I.
They're usually small, beardedmen in that little red coating
hat.
spence_5_03-20-2025_2049 (08:29):
Always
quite majorly too Chris, aren't
it Majorly.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-2 (08:32):
that,
I mean, that's just, that goes
with it.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm probably describingyou fence.
I mean, as y wrote, is seensitting under a hedge, mending a
shoe, and one who catches himcan deliver up his crux of gold.
Crocs it, it makes me think ofthe shoes get delivered up as
crocs of his golden crocs for heis a miser of great wealth,
spence_5_03-20-2025_20494 (08:58):
Yeah,
there you go.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-202 (08:59):
but
if you take your eyes off the
creature for one second, hevanishes like smoke.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (09:05):
Uh,
love chris.
chris-patterson_5_03-20-20 (09:16):
When
I looked at it, there was tons
of different.
Types of lab from differentregions.
Is that true?
spence_5_03-20-2025_20494 (09:22):
Yeah,
no, that is true.
Yeah.
And that, that, that took me bysurprise.
'cause you know, we've all grownup more or less with the same
version.
So in Aster for example, thelocker man, would be the name
and he would wear a uniformequivalent to a British infantry
regiment, red coat, whitebreaches Instead of the cap, he
wore broad bri, high pointedhat, and he'd be bit, partial to
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standing upside down.
When he was up there withmischievous, he'd leap up on the
walls, spin and balance himselfon the tip of his hat with his
heels in the air.
So that's your locker man fromUlster.
We have the l upon the raddon,from ary, excuse my
pronunciation, the leprechaunsbeen with us so long, it rolls
off the tongue.
But these ary leprechauns wouldbe depicted wearing, antique
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slash jacket.
Again, red peaks all aroundwearing a jockey's cap.
And they'd have a sword, whichthey would also use as a magic
wand.
They have the carry anotherlittle fat little fellow with a
Joey round face, be known as theLuon.
he had a cutaway jacket.
He had seven rows of sevenbuttons and each row he wore a
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full dress.
He had a helmet, which wasseveral sizes to a large for him
headgear.
And I think that's one of thethings they had said about the
lip conquest that, you know,they would be quite touchy about
their size and the hatsgenerally are pointy and big to,
to try and give the impressionthat they're taller.
And this one's an interestingone.
the get the pronunciation righthere, the Cleon, he's described,
(10:53):
well, a couple of differentways.
he's either a different speciesof like a cousin of a leprechaun
some people think he is what aleprechaun becomes at night.
Alright, and tell you a littlebit about him.
So he's using clad and red orwine colored clothing.
Very sary around Kerry andMulton fondness for mischief at
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nighttime, especially in winecellars, Chris and wine stores
and bars.
chris-patterson_5_03-20- (11:18):
Sounds
like me.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (11:19):
Yep.
These, they're always describedas drunk and very surly.
Yep.
The comparisons keep
chris-patterson_5_03-20-20 (11:25):
have
been described as drug advisor.
spence_5_03-20-2025_204940 (11:28):
and
when pushed to it, they'll take
vengeance on someone by pokingthem in the eye with a sharp
stick on the point of their hat.
So some people actually believethat Yes.
That they're just cousins ofleprechauns, a different species
of leprechaun.
But others say, actually no.
That these, this is what happensto a leprechaun after.
You know, hard days garden, it'sgold at night becomes this
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surly, raucous creature.
Which is really, and it oftencan be seen red and around at
night, on the backs of animals.
So, I mean, there, there's,that's just, you know, four
types of aons.
There's probably many more.
but each one has its owntreasure trove of stories.
chris-patterson_6 (12:14):
Surprisingly,
leprechauns, didn't always wear
green.
descriptions often showed themin red.
As you said earlier, Spence,sometimes with a three cornered
hat before the 20th century, itwas thought that leprechauns.
Were red.
the Irish poet yet said solitaryfairies like leprechauns wore
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red jackets while tripping.
Fairies were green.
regions had their own leprechaunstyles.
leprechauns were sometimesdescribed in military red coats.
That's interesting because thatwould be the English middle red
coats.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (12:52):
Yep.
Yep.
chris-patterson_6_03-20-202 (12:53):
the
green leprechaun look we see
today is mostly because.
Green is Ireland's nationalcolor.
Since the mid nine is mostlybecause green is AR has been
Ireland's national color sinceat least the mid 17th century,
it's connected to the Irishculture and could help sell
things.
So Green became a better choicefor showing leprechauns.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (13:17):
Oh
wow.
Goodness.
There you go.
The things you learn in thisshow, Chris said, education.
Yes.
Well, did you know Chris, haveyou ever seen a female in Lor?
chris-patterson_6_03-20-2025_ (13:32):
A
female leprechaun.
Actually, no,
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (13:34):
No.
chris-patterson_6_03-20-20 (13:35):
have
I seen a female leprechaun.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (13:36):
not
weird.
I hadn't thought about it untilresearching this, that partly
there's no record of femaleleprechauns.
So therefore, the question hasto be, how do these little
gentlemen, procreate you?
It can't be in a traditionalsense.
some people say that because ofleprechauns themselves or the
unwanted children, bless them ofthe ferry community.
As a result, they're grouchy,untrusting, salty creatures.
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Who, don't have a partner andcan't have children.
So yeah, a very interesting sideto the leprechaun's life.
chris-patterson_6_03-20-2025 (14:06):
In
the magical world of Faye
Leprechaun, stand out as uniquecreatures.
I.
Often living alone.
Unlike other Irish ferries likethe Assai the good people,
leprechauns are considered aseparate type of solidary ferry.
It's important to note thatleprechauns are distinct from
the assai of the ferry mounds,who often are portrayed as more
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frightening and capable oftaking children away.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (14:33):
Oh
yeah, my goodness.
And when it comes to them beingsalty, Chris, you'd never see a
female leprechaun.
chris-patterson_6_03-20-20 (14:41):
They
are in Lord of the Rings, but
they're not leprechauns.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (14:44):
But
I never thought about it until
research, unless there's norecord of female leprechauns.
So how do your little gentlemanprocreate?
It can't be the traditionalsense we would recognize.
Some sources say that becauseleprechauns themselves are the
unwanted children of infer.
You know, that's why they'regrouchy, that's why they're on
trusting, that's why they'resolitary and that's why they
themselves, are alone andwithout children.
(15:06):
So, you know, another littlefacet to the leprechaun story, I
certainly didn't know
chris-patterson_6_03-20-20 (15:12):
Have
you ever wondered where these
tiny shoemaking and grumpycreatures come from?
Well, some folks believe theyhave ancient Irish roots from
golds to tricksters.
The leprechauns history is areal mystery.
Some theories say they'reconnected to the God of son and
crafts.
(15:33):
But as Christianity spread,Luke's importance faded and he
became part of folklore.
people sometimes called himstooping.
Luke, because he was a fairycraftsman.
Others think the leprechaunmight be related to early
mentions of water sprouts aswell.
spence_6_03-20-2025_210220 (15:52):
Hmm.
Uh, well, as you said that firststory, Chris, you quote it word
Caden, Fergus was sort ofaccosted by leprechauns that
they tried to drag him to, intothe sea, to their sea layer.
And you know, that's notsomething, I think he fell
asleep at the beach and he woketo found these three little
boies around him.
They tried to drag them as theiron their sea layers, as you were
saying earlier.
So I get you don't associateleprechauns with living.
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In the sea.
Um, you know, you think of cavesor hole trees or under a hedge
or deep, deep in a cave orrabbit holes even.
So, you know, that's so manystories and so many variations,
I guess ha handed down fromgeneration to generation.
I,
spence_7_03-20-2025_211042 (16:41):
So
Kristen, we talk about the
leprechauns when we say thatthere's some of these constant
rules.
I think it's fair to say, if youask anyone where does the
leprechaun live?
You know, we all know they livein Ireland.
They all know it's remoteplaces, rural areas.
Underground caves and hollowedout trees, ferry trees under
Hawthorne bushes maybe burrowdeep, underground cave or a
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rabbit hole.
Far away from humans who alwayswanna capture'em and get their
three wishes.
But again, there's yet littlewrinkles in the tail.
And you mentioned it earlierwhen you talked about King
Fergus and that really earlyaccount of his encounter with
leprechauns because he fellasleep on the beach.
And awoke to find these littlepeople trying to drag'em into
their, get this on their sealayer.
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I had never, I thought ofkelpies and silkies and all
these kinds of things inrelation to, to, to water
dwellers, but that's a reallyearly story.
Suggested leprechauns can liveunder the sea.
so just you incredible.
chris-patterson_7_03-20-2025_ (17:39):
I
mean, things just explode and
there's layer on top of layer ontop of layer.
Just to go back there when theytalked about the shoemakers,
spence_7_03-20-2025_21104 (17:46):
Yeah.
chris-patterson_7_03-20-202 (17:47):
you
know, they make shoes and
brogues and such.
They're considered to be theonly ferry to have a trade, like
you said earlier on.
and it's believed.
This is because leprechaunsdance so much that they always
needed new shoes.
In fact, our old friend, WBYitz, is quoted as saying
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because of their love ofdancing, the will constantly
need shoes.
Yitz goes on to tell the storyof a woman who'd been spirited
away by the furry, and shereturned seven years later,
minus her toes as she had dancedthem off.
According to legend, you canhear them coming by their
telltale tapping signs.
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While some stories attribute theleprechauns wealth to define
shoes, they make others say theyprotect treasures of the whole
furry world.
spence_7_03-20-2025_211042 (18:42):
Ooh,
A little leprechaun, security
guard of the of the ferry gold.
Wow.
Wow.
spence_8_03-20-2025_211415 (18:59):
So
it might be an idea that maybe
just, take a step back from theorigins and the history and the
etymology of it all.
And maybe just enjoy a couple ofactual leprechaun tales.
And this is the real reasonthese creatures endure because
the tales associated with themare so fun as much as anything
else.
spence_9_03-20-2025_211517 (19:15):
One
of my favorites is a story of
Dennis O'Brien from Ary, but ofa scoundrel, bit of a rogue.
And they always said it in anyleprechaun story.
You know when a leprechaun getscaught, you have to be very very
clever to try and outwit aleprechaun because they're whiny
wee rascals, you know, andthey've got lots of tricks up
their sleeve to stop you gettingnear their gold.
And anybody who actually doessucceed in catching a leprechaun
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usually doesn't end all thatwell for them.
They're very rarely happy.
Happy ends, leprechauns alwaysone step ahead.
So a, we bit a background.
Another part of the leprechaunlegend is that they have a purse
that never runs and they, andyou pull one coin out, you, and
you go and you pull anothercoin, you pull another coin.
It's a botanist, per for goldcoin.
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So if, just bear that in mindand we'll tell the story.
Now.
Dennis O'Brien from temporary, ayoung scoundrel by all accounts,
he always looking under theirheads just to try and catch a
leprechaun.
All they do say that the personwho doesn't search for a
leprechaun has a much betterchance of seeing in one.
So just bear that in mindanyway.
De Dennis had made his mind upthat there was gonna be any
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dereon in the county.
He was a very boy that was gonnafind it.
He here at work.
He spent most of his timesitting in a she, which would be
like a sort of IC pub, drinkingthe day in as if he stuck his
seat.
And one day on his way home herein sco, old Dennis spot
something right over in thecorner of a field.
And he went as quiet as a mouseand he sneaked up behind it.
It was a leprechaun.
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Been sleeping onto the treesunder the heads.
So Dennis grabs him.
The collar wrestles under theground.
Now you ugly me.
Vagabond says, Dennis, I've gotyou at last.
Give up your goal.
I'll choke the life outta you,your old cobbler.
And he shakes the wee leprechaunso hard.
He thought, they thought theleprechaun's head was gonna fall
off.
So this battle went on.
The leprechaun begged andscratched and cried and
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screamed, but Dennis didn't letup.
he was wanting the gold that theleprechaun, and he wasn't gonna
be trick dealer.
So eventually the leprechaunagreed to give Dennis his magic
per, and Dennis knew the storyof leprechaun's perch that he.
It's never ended in supply ofcoins.
So he took the coin and off heoff.
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He ske dazzled with this purse.
And it was red silk and it had amagic s shelling in it.
And he just knew that, this isit Dennis was made for life.
And he said to himself, you knowwhat, I'm going to eat my fill.
I'm gonna drink till A steamengine can squeeze on a drop
down my neck.
And off he goes to MissClooney's shipping.
And Harry phoned.
Pat Grogan, Tim o' Donovan,another man associated with a
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leprechaun counter and a fewother locals and they're all sat
around a table and up opposedDennis's seat.
And where's your money?
Said Mrs.
Cloy the bar lady to him.
'cause he never had a penny onhim.
The you are a says Dennis, Ihave all the money you'll need.
Just scrap an old you penny.
Scrap an old skeleton.
He called collar.
He was getting very brave'causehe had this, just bring me your
best drink.
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And he bought drinks for theguys around him.
And you're all gonna drink at myexpense tonight.
And so they did 1, 2, 3, 4, 5rounds of drinks come in.
Then Dennis ordered the finestfood.
But Mrs.
Clinic, she was getting the bitsof special for this stage, and
she crossed her lips and shesaid, look, not until you've
paid for what you've alreadyhad, I'm not giving you no more.
So Dennis pulls out the magicpurse to show everyone what it
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was, where he got it.
Have a leprechaun give it toyou.
They all said it.
Dennis says it was.
If I take a shill out of it, Icould take handfuls of shills
out of it and they'll come outof it like a stream of whiskey,
out of a jug, and he pulls out acoin.
Well, at least that's what hethought.
But when he put his fingers infor another coin, there wasn't
any, the gap the leprechaun hadmade an agent out of him, this
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person only one coin in it.
Totally against the rules of theleprechauns per so.
Dennis's face was a holy showwhen he saw the leprechaun and
Don only gone and tricked him.
The purse wasn't a leprechaunpurse at all.
It was looked just like one youand your leprechauns and your
purses and your magic.
She and scream business clinic.
Get out.
You're a thief yard.
You've drunk all me drink andyou've a, you lie on your lips a
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bit, a purse, and you even soldinto the bargain.
You impotence beats the devil,she said.
And she kicked him out into thestreet.
Hit my hell of a crack with abig stink that you kept behind
the bar and all loud hall laughat parole, genesis.
Dennis's, expense.
But anyway, Dennis tubs it endthe street looking, had a bit of
a bait from that crack in thehead.
His luck doesn't get any better.
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As I said.
You crossed the leprechaun,you're taking a chance.
'cause the policeman happenedalong and he says to Dennis,
what's some water?
What's happened here?
And Dennis told him.
About a stolen purse, and theytold him the let encounter with
a leprechaun, but of course, thepoliceman wasn't having any of
it.
He was thinking, you've stolenthat purse.
That's not a leprechaun purse.
You got no such st thing from aleprechaun.
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You're a thief.
You're a liar.
If you can produce a leprechaunand testify that he gave you for
then maybe you're not going tojail.
But otherwise you're going tojail.
Well, of course, Dennis couldn'tprovide evidence.
The leprechaun was probablysomewhere nearby having a good
eye laugh at him.
Dennis was given 30 days hardlabor.
He'd never done a hand's turn abit of work in his life.
So 30 days hard labor was a bigdeal for our Dennis.
(24:19):
He got out, he said he's goingto give up looking for
leprechauns.
He was never gonna stick a snotunder another hedge in search of
leprechauns.
'cause even Dennis had, theyadmit, they were far too smart
for him entirely.
And so they were.
So a Kraken story there of a bitof greed, a bit of confidence, a
bit of comeuppance from parole,Dennis, and temporary.
(24:55):
Looks like your story has foundyou.
I wish It were another.
But what's meant for you, won'tgo by you.
I'm sorry.
Ach, now.
(25:15):
No need to look so scared, eh?
Enjoy the fire.
Have a sop.
Sure.
Is it all just Irish Gothic?
All just Irish Gothic.
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