Illuminati, Freemasons & Scorpio Secrets: A Halloween Conspiracy Special

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome fellow doomsdayers, witches, ghouls and
conspiracy lovers to our 12thepisode of.
Is this how it Ends?
Really excited about today'sepisode, and not just because
it's close to Halloween, butbecause we have two very special
guests here with us Javi andRich.
Javi is an artist with a singleout, oni Lover.
Rich is a fellow podcaster withhis own podcast, going Rogue,

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and that's their handle rightbelow if you want to follow them
on IG and go from there.
Halloween is just a few daysaway.
As I mentioned, it's that timeof year when lines between our
world and the next, the ordinaryand extraordinary, blur, and
truth is often hidden in theshadows, and this podcast is all
about that shadowy stuff, theconspiracies, the weird, the

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quirky, and tonight we're goingto pay special attention to
those things that work in theshadows and those secretive
organizations that are alludedto all the time, those shadowy
cabals that may be pulling thestrings behind the scenes in the
entertainment industries, andwe are talking about I'm sure
you already guessed it theIlluminati and the Freemasons.

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We'll be pulling back thecurtain on these two secret
societies.
Are they puppet masters of ourreality, figments of our
imagination, or are they justmessing with us?
And why are so many of theseartists rumored to be in on it.
So, from eerie symbols andmusic videos to whispers of
world domination, we are goingto dive deep.
As always, nelly and I wereyour guides through this dark
maze of mystery, and, of course,we are not alone, with our two

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guests to help us connect thedots between the occult, the
elite and the entertainmentindustry.
So grab your candles, get thatsage out and let's just let's
get started, nelly, I'm gonnakick it over to you.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hey, y'all, all right .
So some spooky stuff hasalready been happening, even to
get this podcast off the ground.
I just want to say that, okay,my laptop is not laptopping.
I'm gonna look down for mynotes.
I'm on my phone, actually, so alittle creepy already.
So we're going to talk about theIlluminati.

(02:07):
Okay, all up in your body, theIlluminati, all right.
So a lot of stuff has beengoing on with the celebrities.
A lot of things have beenrevealed, even with politicians.
There's a lot going on.
So I'm just going to give alittle rundown about what the
Illuminati is and then kind ofgo from there, all right.
So Illuminati is a term thatoriginally referred to a group

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of people called the BavarianIlluminati, a secret society
founded in 1776 by Adam Washputin Bavaria, germany.
That was my Bavarian, bavaria,germany, germany.

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Washput, a professor of canonlaw, started the group as a
response to what he saw asoppressive societal and
religious norms.
The Illuminati sought topromote enlightenment ideals,
particularly rational thought,secularism and freedom for
religious influence.
It was highly secretive, usingpseudonyms and hierarchical
systems of ranks.
Members included intellectuals,politicians who wished to

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reform society.
See already, intellectuals.
It has changed from what itused to be, but, yeah,
illuminati.
So, y'all, what do you thinkare the signs of the Illuminati?
It's the rock.
There you go, the rock, therock.
That's one of them, right, well, now that you say that it has

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me thinking what's theconnection?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Is there a connection ?
Or is that just a random symbolthat they've been using all
these years?
Or is it hiding directlyunderneath our noses?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, I mean, there are places where you can
actually find the symbols, right.
So the great seal on the USdollar bill, perhaps the most
iconic symbol, features anunfinished pyramid with an
all-seeing eye, the eye ofprovidence, floating above it.
The image is often pointed asevidence of Illuminati influence

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over the founding of the US,despite it being a common symbol
of enlightenment.
So the dollar, dollar bills,y'all the dollar dollar bills.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Dollar, dollar bills, y'all.
I will say, though, althoughthe Illuminati was founded in
1776, we'll say though, althoughthe Illuminati was founded in
1776, that the pyramid, thatpyramid on the dollar bill, did
not appear until, I believe, the1930s.
So yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, so what did they have prior to that?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I'm not familiar.
It was just.
It was just a $1.
Like it wasn't, there wasnothing really on it.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Nothing there.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, but since then you have that, you have that
pyramid with the eye, and thenthere's also like an owl in
there.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, the owl of Minerva, the owl of Minerva.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
People are like is it an owl, Is it a spider?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So it's an owl.
It's symbolizing wisdom.
This owl is sometimes linked tosecret societies.
Also, the number 13, right?
Is that why, like in elevators?
Like they skipped the 13thfloor?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, 13 has always been considered bad luck.
So yeah, it's so dumb becauseit's still there.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, like there is an actual 13th floor.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't know.
It's like you can skip it whenyou want, but there is a 13.
So 14 is 13.
Thank you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I don't understand that.
No, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, that's the future of older buildings.
I think more modern buildingsare not as superstitious, but
yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, that's kind of crazy how superstition is, even
like, linked in with ourarchitecture and machine
learning or not?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Right For a country that's so super religious and
all about God, there's still alot of things that we get into.
We're into superstitions.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
You can say that religion is superstition.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Religion is very superstitious.
Superstitious.
There's stuff from paganism aswell.
You know, when we think aboutour traditions, Definitely.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So we think about our traditions.
Definitely so.
We talked about the Eye ofProvidence, we talked about the
Pyramid, the Owl of Minerva, theNumber 13, baphomet, the
figures associated withoccultism and represents duality
, and then, like the all-seeingeye Right.
So these are some of thesymbols that we may see, eye
right.
So these are some of thesymbols that we may see.
So, y'all, since now we know alittle bit about the Illuminati,

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which prominent people do, youthink are actually a part of the
Illuminati.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean the obvious.
Who's the obvious?
Like Jay-Z?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
You saying that out loud On camera.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I mean the man is like well, like this is the rock
, you know?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Was it underneath our noses the whole time and we're
just throwing it up, you know.
But I agree with you.
I think a lot of the musicindustry and I don't think it
was until maybe this year I tookit more seriously as far as Cat
Williams' interview in thebeginning of the year and how he
was always depicted, as youknow, crazy, and Dave Chappelle

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too, but maybe they were theones that sort of spoke out
against it or afraid to speakout against it, and stood their
ground and remained independentend it.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So, yeah, this goes back a while.
So, um, tupac actuallymentioned the Illuminati, um,
and there was a album that hehad that came out probably a few
months after his death, thatyou know, sort of touched on
this subject.
So it's it's been around.
I mean this, um, this tie tohip hop, rap and Illuminati has

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been around for a very long timeand it's never been in a
positive note.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Was that the album?
Was it called Machiavelli,machiavelli, yeah yeah.
And they're like oh, look atyou reading the letters.
It says I am alive.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, tupac is alive.
Ok, okay, he's chilling in cuba.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
yeah, right, yeah, for sure, for sure that's a good
reference, though I think thatmaybe was the first time I ever
heard about the illuminati andyeah I mean, I think, when it
comes to hip hop or rap, right,it's just, it's just a tool.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Early hip hop was all about social activism.
You know artists using theirlyrics to address issues like
systemic racism, poverty, policebrutality.
You know, like the police, likewe all know what that is and
that's what it was about.
And then there was this weirdturn where, all of a sudden, it
was all about money, cash, hoes,money and cash are the same

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fucking thing.
But if the Illuminati exist andit would make sense to me that
they would Find, you know, musicand art as a way to get their
messages across or infiltrate or, like my country, or whatever
it is that they want to do Right, music and art is the that's.

(09:23):
That's a really good vehicle.
Mind control or whatever it isthat they want to do right.
Music and art is the that's.
That's a really good vehicle.
Um, there's this, um, there'sthis belief that you know
repetitive rhythms, lyrics andchants.
Can it can cast a spell.
So I can see why they know.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, it's definitely a spell.
There's some lyrics I wish Idid not know in my dread dreads.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Is that a spell?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It might be, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I was shaking my dreads Again jealous yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Some.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I guess notable people that you would.
I don't know if you considerpeople notable now, but Lady
Gaga, it's believed that she's apart of the Illuminati, but
they didn't help her with thatmovie Joker.
Yeah, yeah did anyone else seeit, but me the second Joker.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, there's a conspiracy there, but I'm not
ready to go there yet.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh, okay, now I want to know.
I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, I don't have my notes together, so I can't
really fully explain the waythat Okay how about like a
little taste?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
think they were like.
So the first Joker was thefirst one was really good, and I
guess the theory is that thewrong people resonated with it.
So I guess the second one, onethey had to- take it, I know
what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
It went from being like this this film that was
adopted by quote-unquote incelsand the response to that was to
make something like thatappealed to a very different
audience, where it's like oh,we're making this musical that
is going to appeal more to likequeer people and women in theory
.
In theory, because, lady gaga'sin and it's a musical, but I
don't really know who itresonated with, because it's

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already.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It was trash, it was awful.
It wasn't that bad, but Joaquinhis singing.
It's cute to do a little JohnnyCash yang-yang, but I don't
want to hear all of that andjust the music.
And then the first song thatthey sing is a stevie wonder
song, so I don't know how I feltabout that.

(11:35):
Yeah but, it was just after awhile, like I knew going in it
was a musical, but it was justlike eye roll.
Some of it just didn't make anysense in terms of like where
they put it.
I don't know, yeah, but whoelse is believed?
To be is the Kardashians, Ibelieve to be a part of the

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Illuminati, which Iwholeheartedly agree because
every man they've married hislife is in shambles and shambles
suck your body.
They're like yeah yes oh, yes,yes.
But let me tell you something.
Okay, they make a good pair ofjeans and shapewear.

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I'm not gonna lie.
Okay, I just bought some goodamerican jeans from chloe
kardashian oh no don't look atme like.
I'm part of the crowd.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I don't know you, I know this okay.
I don't know you.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
No, you love me and you can never unclaim me.
All of you can never unclaim me, okay, I'm just saying they
make good jeans.
It's hard for me to find somegood jeans and shout-outs to
Khloe Kardashian and shout outto Khloe Kardashian and I
definitely buy skin stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Do you feel from other people like their ideas?
There's, like so many lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, they do.
They have a lot of lawsuits.
They just have so much money.
I don't know if this soundsright, but about the Kardashians
?
I actually don't know that muchabout them because I never
watched the show, but I knowKris Jenner seems to be the one
that controls a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
so I feel like she is .

Speaker 3 (13:04):
She is pimping yeah, pimping everybody out, her
daughter's, like.
I don't know if the entirefamily would even be as
knowledgeable about somethinglike the illuminati.
But I feel like maybe kim chris, you know, maybe the hierarchy
of how it goes, or the girlsjust kind of go along with it,

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go along with the mother, so Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah I mean, I think they can be bought.
I think if it's something thatmeans they can have power and
just influence, influence, theydon't.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I don't think they care I mean leveraging your
daughter's sex tape to like getyour family to a certain level
of prominence is kind of like,yeah, like, your moral compass
is very, that's a special kindof waffle.
Yeah, wow, allegedly, we'll saythis allegedly, allegedly, yeah
, very, very allegedly.

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I heard murmurs of her havingsort of a Ghislaine-esque role
in the diddy, helping withrecruit women, and they were
saying that she was laying lowafter stuff came down because
she was helping in thetrafficking which, like you know
, allegedly.
But allegedly, allegedly she,like you know, moves in this

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world.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I wouldn't be surprised yeah, I think when it
comes to people who are like allabout money and fame and power,
there's very little that theywould not do, right, like I
think the richer you get, themore you want to hold on to that
, and there are just some.
I mean, there are lines youwill cross and I think to have
that kind of money there are alot of lines you're willing to

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cross by a mile.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I just like the lack of fear of karma is the thing
that really disturbs me.
I'm like that, like when you dosomething that horrible, it's
going to bite you in the ass.
It's eventually going to biteyou in the ass.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Like it will.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But we're so focused on the now.
I think that's the, that's ourproblem, like we're all focused
on, like instant gratificationand well, how am I doing now?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like no one no one seems to care about like 15, 20
years down the line.
So question to you guys is asfar as the Illuminati, you kind
of touched on this, so goalmoney now I'm just quoting, I
think, mace at this point money,power, respect, but um, but

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really like, do you guys think,as far as the illuminati, that
they have long-term goals orthey focus more on the now?
As far as the power, the moneylike, what do you think is more
important to the society?
Because it does exist.
We just don't know the innerworkings of it.
But I'm curious your guys'perspective on what is the end?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
game for that I think different people involved have
different end games and so thereare certain people where it is
short-sighted and in terms ofwhatever money, power and
influence that they can have,but there's others where there's
definitely a more of a I don'tsay global domination kind of
feel to it, but it's definitelylike in that realm.

(16:16):
So it really depends on who itis in terms of their different
intents for it.
I mean, there's a lot ofcelebrities you might consider
you know a part of it, but arethey really influential?
Like, one of the people on thelist is Katy Perry.
That's part of the Illuminati.
How influential is she?
Because she can influence noone about that album or those

(16:39):
singles?
But yeah, I think it justdepends honestly.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
If they, if this, if the Illuminati does, I mean, I
know it was a thing back then,but if it does exist today, I
think, with any of these secretsocieties, the end goal is
always domination.
The end goal is always, youknow, it's a select few who are

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in power.
That's always the end goal,right, how much wealth can you
accumulate, how much power canyou accumulate and how do you
keep that status quo?
And I think you know, with allthese other, like Jay-Z's,
beyonce's, you know, lil YachtyUzi Vert, whatever his name is-
Lil Yachty Uzi Vert, whateverhis name is.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Uzi.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Vert Lil.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Uzi.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, like all of them, Lil Pump and all those
that whole group, lil Xan.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, I think all of those they're just pawns, right,
they're just pawns If you thinkabout it.
This is a secret society andthese people are actively
singing about it.
What does that do?
What does that do to secretsociety when people are
constantly saying it, sayingstuff about?
it like you don't take itseriously right and that works

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into their favor.
If you are a secret, an actualsecret society, when you have
these people talking about itlike that, you're like oh, this
is a joke, this is not real, soit isn't.
So it becomes a conspiracytheory.
While they could be doing a lotof shit behind the scenes,
that's just a smokescreen forthem.
So I mean, I think ultimategoal is power and to bring the
masses along and keep peoplestupid and just listening to.

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I don't know, I get it.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Cause that's how I kind of view it is.
Let's be real, a lot of thenewer artists they're not smart,
they're not intellectual, sothey, to us, we're like, they're
definitely pawns, so you know,using to market or to bring in.
I don't know numbers, I don'tknow how, I really don't know
how it works or money power,whatever, but it's such a

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fascinating thing because theydo such a good job of making us
theorize on what's actuallyhappening.
But I only see it too, likewith the younger rappers, the
mumble rappers.
Does Rick Ross have the tattoo?
I swear I thought he had, likeI don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm trying to look at Rick Ross's body parts.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'm not sure Some of them have the owl, or they have
I'll't know.
I'm trying not to look at RickRoss's body parts.
I'm not sure Some of them havethe owl or they have Come on.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I'll pay you.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I don't care how many pears he's eaten.
I don't want any of that.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
To that point, though , when you're saying, when you
talk about it so much, you kindof invalidate it and make it
seem like it's not real.
Like I just think of Beyonce,who's constantly flashing like
Illuminati slash, masonicimagery, because there's some
overlap there, the rock sign,whatever and then she sings like
oh, y'all haters pointing withthat Illuminati mess, like it's

(19:40):
like oh, this is just somethingmaybe provocative that we're
doing, because this is what wedo as artists.
We're iconoclasts.
We take cherished beliefs andsubvert them.
That's just what we do.
It's not necessarily real.
I feel like that's the subtextthere, but I think the reality
is sometimes they're getting oneover on us because of that.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, definitely, Trump allegedly is a part of the
Illuminati.
See, if you tell me Trump, I'mlike no.
Trump, no, or the people behindhim.
He's a pawn.
He's a pawn, but the Illuminatiis definitely behind him.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I also feel like it was interesting too to think of
like oh, young rappers and thenjust a lot of hip hop,
no-transcript, so it's easier tomanipulate somebody when you're

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taking them from zero to 100.
Trump is.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, trump, like when Trump decided to run for a
Republican party because he knewhe couldn't.
By the way, I'm independent.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I don't really side either way.
Whew, I thought you were aboutto say you're a Republican.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Oh hell.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
no, that's all the plans I have for us.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
No, I'm freedom.
I like being a pirate.
You know, I like my privacy.
But you know, like you knew, orhe knew, that he could really
manipulate the Republican Party.
So it's like almost the samething that Javi's talking about.
It's just, but it's scary thatthey don't pick up on it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's what's scary?
Yeah, we're not.
This is not a smart no, this isnot a smart no.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
This is not a smart, not at all, not at all.
I did want to talk about placeswhere you might be able to find
Illuminati symbolism across theUnited States, so one of them
that we discussed before was theDenver International Airport in

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Denver, colorado.
I looked it up so it's knownfor its odd murals and creepy
statues, including that big bluehorse with, like, the red eyes,
and it has underground tunnelsand it's a popular site for
Illuminati speculation.
Some believe the airport wasbuilt by a secret organization
and serves as a bunker for theelite.

(22:09):
Y'all Freemasons, a bunker forthe elite.
The elite gets all the bunkers.
No, what about the bunkers forthe middle class?
Can I put it on layaway orsomething?
A clarinet for a bunker.
No A firm for the bunker.
All right just nothing for usso we're just asked out yes,

(22:29):
we're asked out.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, we're kind of fucked on that.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Okay, one of us needs to know some rich friends.
Okay, one of us needs to knowsome rich friends.
I was trying to find a man withthe yacht.
Now I want a man with a bunker.
A man with a bunker, and whichis in arizona.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I feel like a like.
Arizona is a place where youwould find.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Hey, if people got a specific taste, you would stick
out like a sore thumb, so that'sa good thing.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
My taste is bunker, my taste is yacht.
That is my taste.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
This might be the place for you.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Let me find out.
Okay, you know that pop theballoon, the place in Arizona,
and I was like really, Is thatjust one?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I'm so confused.
There's so many of them.
Where, where are these showsfilmed?
Where can I watch them in full?
I just always see clips andit's always like the same six
clips I see, but I'll watch themevery time.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Just put poppin' the Balloon in YouTube and there's
different kinds.
There's some in Jamaica,there's some in Africa, there's
some in Phoenix.
It's all trash.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I cringe when I watch that show.
I'm just so embarrassed foreveryone there, including the
hosts.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And it's funny because the one in Phoenix her
name's Arlette Mouly orsomething like that.
She's happily married, like herand her husband put this
together.
So I'm just like you're notreally trying to link people up
like this.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's like Love is Blind.
It was like Nick Lachey and hiswife that you know that.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
They're so annoying I stopped watching it.
They're so fucking annoying, Istopped watching it.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
They're so fucking annoying, they're awful and I
could not watch it beyond that.
There was that one couple thateverybody was rooting for and we
just loved them and they'restill together.
But beyond that I'm going tocome back on other shows,
because they were like we don'tknow what this is.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Y'all.
This last season was absolutetrash.
I'm never moving to DC.
The men are there.
Another type of it is awful.
It is awful.
Yeah, Love is blind.
I haven't watched Married atFirst Sight.
It's all very triggeringbecause it's just trash out

(24:38):
there.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
But if you move to DC , you could probably get
connected to one of these menwho are on the inside of one of
these secret societies mucheasier.
Yes absolutely, that's true.
A nice member of the Illuminati.
I forget what the neighborhoodsare.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And then he would give us powers for our podcast
to spread worldwide andenlightened all of the people.
We would enlighten the people.
Okay, we would use our powersfor good.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I had us waiting for enlightenment and then we could
all be free of whatever thisshit is.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Also, can I just give a quick shout out to my shirt,
because I did wear something,and it is my cats on my shirt.
So shout out to Cersei andVictor.
Yep, here's one with the tongueshirt.
Oh yes, shout out to Cersei andVictor, there's one with the
tongue out?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Oh my god, did you?
Did you have the cat on your?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
shirt.
Yeah, those are my cats.
Well, you said I could go asbecause I didn't have a costume.
You said I could go as a hotguy, so I decided that my
costume was hot cat dad.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
That is amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And look at my cat ears.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I know.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
We're meant to be.
Oh my goodness, that's awesome.
I'm going as Enzi's mama.
You know I'm a hot cat mom,over here you are.
Yes, we can have a blendedfamily.
Let's work on this.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I have a cat who hates me dearly.
I have a cat who hates medearly.
So the other day last night, Iwas just on the couch chilling
and I threw eyes on me and thenI turned Okay, right there.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's me on the couch and I just turned and like
he's just staring, and thathappens often.
I think my cat Nugget isplotting my death.
That happens often.
I'm just chilling and I look upand he's like Well, he is an
orange cat.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know, orange cats are diabolical.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, they really are .

Speaker 2 (26:39):
In the cat world they're known as the hot messes
of cats.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think he also knows that I don't like him very much
.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, the hot messes of cats.
I think he also knows that Idon't like him very much.
Well, that might be.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
That might be the issue.
My cat's planning my death.
I hate him.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's besides the point, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Maybe he's part of the Illuminati and he's really
turning.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
He probably is.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Maybe he's a mechanical cat, like the birds
you talked about in the otherepisode.
How birds don't exist.
They're just all robots.
Maybe your cat's a robot.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Maybe the cat is a robot by the way, I do not
believe in that but there is amovement that's called Birds Are
Not Real.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I believe it, especially these Brooklyn
pigeons.
It just looks like it'sfocusing a little bit too much.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
If you go into why they believe that you're kind of
like, hmm, but it's like Ohio.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
They say, like Ohio doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, montana, I thought it was Montana.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Which one Montana.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I thought Montana doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
What Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay, yeah, I think it.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Howdy's like what.
I've been to Ohio, I have notbeen to Montana, so now I'm
intrigued.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It is.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I've never been to, but we know people from Montana,
right, javi.
Yeah, you remember the Hicks,they're from Montana.
Or were they from the SolomonIslands.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
But then they it's Wyoming.
Wyoming doesn't exist.
It's honestly one of Wyoming.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's honestly one of the most beautiful states,
though I have to say.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Wyoming.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yes, like one of the nicest states I've been to.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
As far as like livability, I don't know, is it
like a lot of Connie used to beout there.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Connie used to be out there in Wyoming.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it's a good place to like.
Disappear Is.
Yeah, it's a good place todisappear.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Is it like more cows than people?
Is that the theory?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Probably, probably.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Just the mountain ranges yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's very pretty, but I guess it doesn't exist, so
maybe I wasn't there.
It's all in my head.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
You were there, you thought you were there.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I planted all of that .
It's just part of Utah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's a simulation Right.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
But?
But I'll just list a few otherplaces, y'all, and then we will
hand it over to the lovelygentleman here.
So Bohemian Grove, california,have you heard of that?
Yeah, it's the private club innorthern California which hosts
an annual retreat retreat forsome of the world's wealthiest
and most influential people.
The ceremony surrounding theevent, combined with reports of

(29:10):
rituals and ceremonies, had ledsome to label it as a Luminati
gathering place.
Bohemian Grove, california, allright.
Also, the PhiladelphiaIndependence Hall and the
Liberty Bell those are symbolsrelated to Freemasonry as well
as the Washington Monument,which we all know of, and the

(29:33):
Georgia Guidestones in ElbertCounty, georgia.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
They were destroyed by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
They were Wow.
Oh, I see that.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
The case has been closed.
They didn't really look into itand they're wondering, like how
did these people get in and outwithout no one knowing who it
was?
I love the Georgia Guidestonesand like just the secrecy around
how it was built, who built itand just what these people
believe in, but that's foranother episode.
Okay, bohemian Grove was kindof cool because there was this

(30:06):
guy that snuck in there and thenhe thought he saw human
sacrifice, but they claimed itwas fake.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
How do you say fake human sacrifice?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
There was this.
What is it?
A pier of fire?
They brought it to the fire andall of that.
It was weird.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was weird.
It's like all these men who gettogether and they're like you
know what?
We need something just for us.
We don't have enough power andmoney and influence, just create
something.
I think there was a lot of, Idon't know, I'm sure it was more
than just discussing.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's given me Hostile vibes.
It's given me Hostile vibes.
It's given a shady white party.
It's given me orgy yeah, well,yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
That's probably part of it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So that's it for the Illuminatiy'all.
It was very general, but youknow against some notable people
Kanye West is another one aswell that's believed to have
dealings with the Illuminati.
Miley Cyrus was on the list andI was like what?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
You think Kanye, though I feel like Kanye would
be like anti Illuminati.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I don't know, he was religious and he did not come
through it on his promises.
So now he's paying the price.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's it, guys.
All right, y'all want to talkabout Freemasonry and all of
that?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, let's talk a little about Freemasonry.
I think the interesting thingabout Freemasonry and the
Illuminati is that there's justthey're often conflated and
there's a lot of overlap,especially with the symbolism
and the.
You know a lot of the languagethat people use and the people
that they talk about being apart of these together.
But Freemasonry is a fraternalorganization that traces its

(31:59):
origins back to the localfraternities of stonemasons in
the late 14th century so thoseare the people who prepare and
cut stones and it's evolved overthe years into a global society
known for an emphasis on moraldevelopment, charitable work and
, to an extent, secret rituals.

(32:21):
So the kind of the coreprinciples and beliefs of
Freemasonry are brotherhood theybelieve in forming bonds of
brotherhood, treating allmembers as equals, regardless of
status or background.
Moral and personal development.
They promote integrity, truthand charity and they aim to
improve themselves and theircommunities.

(32:42):
And then, in terms of theirphilosophy in regards to
religion, one of the big tenetsof Freemasonry is that they
subscribe to like a higher power, but it's not necessarily a
like the Judeo-Christian God orany specific God of any religion
they kind of refer to.
They sometimes refer to thishigher power as the great

(33:04):
architect of the universe, whichI guess kind of falls in line
with this builder motif thatthey have going on and kind of
the structure and organizationof Freemasonry is, you know.
So they have the lodges theMasonic lodges is what you'll
hear about, and that's kind oflike the basic unit of
Freemasonry, where members meetand that's where they conduct

(33:25):
whatever meetings and orwhatever rituals and socialize.
They're Grand Lodges, which arethe governing bodies that
oversee individual lodges in aregion or country and each of
the Grand Lodges kind ofoperates independently and there
are different degrees ofFreemasonry.
So there's which they've kindof shifted and changed over the
years.
Freemasonry, so there's whichthey've kind of shifted and

(33:46):
changed over the years.
But I know that one path is,and I think they vary from lodge
to lodge in certain cases, butthere's like an entered
apprentice, which is the firstdegree, fellow craft, second
degree, and then a master Mason,third degree in some of the
lodges.
And they say, in terms ofmoving up the ranks in
Freemasonry, when you get to thetop rank, there's the idea that

(34:08):
you get exposure to some of thesecrets.
And one of the secrets is thatthe god that they worship is
like a combination of Egyptiandeity, I think, like Yahweh,
like the Jewish god, and thenthere's like one other deity in
there that I remember hearingand I couldn't find.

(34:31):
I couldn't find it.
I heard it in a podcast bookthat I was listening to and I
couldn't find it when I did myresearch.
But that's one of the theoriesabout kind of moving up the
ranks, and there have beenplenty of famous folks,
especially in music, associatedwith Freemasonry.

(34:51):
Mozart was a documented memberof a Masonic lodge in Vienna.
His opera, the Magic Flute in1791, is filled with Masonic
symbolism, focusing on themes ofenlightenment, initiation and
brotherhood, and Beethoven wasrumored to have been a member of
the Masonic Lodge.

(35:12):
That is not confirmed.
Jazz and blues artists LouisArmstrong was speculated to be a
Freemason.
Duke Ellington was a confirmedmember of the Prince Hall
Freemasonry Lodge, which is anorganization that allows for
membership for African Americans, because that's one thing about
Freemasonry which I learnedvery long ago it's very, you

(35:33):
know, it's primarily men, like Ithink there's certain cases and
certain lodges where, like,some women are allowed, but
that's not normal, primarily menand primarily white.
So, yeah, so I found itinteresting that Duke Ellington
was a member and then, like,obviously there's speculation of
modern pop artists like Jay-Zbeing a Freemason, which would

(35:57):
make sense.
And then you know, in terms ofrock the Beatles and Led
Zeppelin there's been somereferences in their work that
would lead people to believethat there's some Freemason
association.
But it's a lot of occultimagery.
That's the thing.
There's a lot of like occultimagery that people point to as
like this is a sign that they'rea Freemason, even though a lot

(36:17):
of like the tenets ofFreemasonry are about like
religious freedom and charityand they do a lot of good
philanthropic work.
But it's interesting becausethe occult imagery is such a big
part of what people associatewith Freemasonry whether it's
horns or the all-seeing eye orthe pyramid.

(36:38):
It's very interesting thatthat's always associated with
the fraternity that is, that wasvery knowledgeable.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes, the imagery is very interesting too, because
they have the um.
It's almost like the geometricuh symbol.
I don't know exactly what itstands for, um, because there's
like a g in it too.
Oh, the compass yeah, it's likethe square on the compass, yeah
.
And the Freemasons areinteresting, because I think

(37:15):
what you guys were talking aboutbefore with the Illuminati was
they originated in Germany and Ithink you said they were
secular, so it was trying tobecome separate from religion I
believe something about that wasmentioned Whereas Freemason was

(37:36):
, you could be Christian, youcould be from different
denominations, but you have thatsupreme being.
But, like me, I can't ever joinbecause I'm an atheist.
I can't be part of that.
So it's interesting and Ithought about that and I was
like, well, when you get a bunchof I'll say when you get a

(37:58):
bunch of white men together, oh,you can say white men, it's
fine.

(38:19):
Well, it's fine to makeyourselves look better and to be
charitable and to do goodthings, but what?
What is the point sometimes ofthat?
Because, from my perspective,like I said, when you get a
bunch of dudes together, you'renot sitting around praying and

(38:40):
it's like any other fraternity.
You use something to gettogether to do other things, and
it's usually something thatmost men are part of, and it's
usually it could be sexual, itcould be the money aspect of it,
it could be control, becausewhen you put those men together,
that's usually what happens,and I've been part of like

(39:02):
sports teams.
I have friends that were infraternities, it's no different.
So I think it started as likethis cool group and I think it
was almost in the Flintstonesthey had like Barney and Fred
were part of like thisorganization.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was like an elk club or something.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
That's what the Freemasons like reminded me of
when they started, but it'salmost like the Illuminati like
did it turn into?
What do they do now?
Because we don't know and,javier, I don't know if you saw
this too there was supposed tobe speculation, like the
Freemasons and the Illuminatiwork together or they know
things about each other, butapparently that was debunked

(39:42):
like they are separate.
So I don't know the if there'slike a collaboration between the
two groups, or like which onehas more power, has more money,
has more control, um, but itit's.
It is very interesting.
And they, I think they wouldrather have women in there than
anybody, any person of color,from what I saw too.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I have.
Yes, no, it's funny cause Ihave like two anecdotes about
Freemasonry.
One was when I was in a.
I was in like basically a frat,a singing frat on Acapella oh,
shut up Really.
But this is the one on Martha'sVineyard where we lived in a

(40:28):
house together and spent hours.
This was summers of college,and so there was a person who
was kind of adjacent to thegroup, like an older gentleman
who was a fan of us.
Okay, this sounds creepy I wantto elaborate more on that end,

(40:51):
but he was a fan of us and hewould often have us over like
his house to like perform andmeet people and this is getting
more interesting.
The climate was always a littlelike everybody was always like
there was.
You know, there was definitelylike a like an unspoken, um

(41:12):
unease between all of us whereit's like okay, like we're going
to this house, like let's likewatch ourselves, uh, make sure
we're looking for each other,but like he's a generally a nice
person, um.
And I remember he had thisguest over one day and he was
like yes, he's like I forgetwhat the title was- I don't
think it was one of the ones Iread.
But he was like really high upin the Masonic Order and he was
like there was like a group ofus and we were like why don't

(41:34):
you just induct all of them intothe Mason right now?
And I was sitting there likeI'm like am I allowed to be here
?
Because I literally that wasthe only thing I knew.
I was like Masons, you knowthey're not, you know there's a
little like segregation there,so, but it was just like.
It was a very weird vibe too.

(41:54):
It was just suddenly like yes,let's induct all of these young
men into your Masonic Lodgeright now.
What a wonderful idea.
It felt like.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
It felt very like yes , I almost think you're lying to
us, because you're now, you're,you really did induct yourself.
You're just hiding the uh, thetruth.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
So well, yeah, um, and then my other.
My other little anecdote was soI see, um, I've seen like a
spiritual advisor here in LA andshe sees some other people that
I know and one is, you know,has a track record.

(42:32):
I don't want to name any namesor say anything specifically on
camera.
That's right Off camera.
Off camera we'll chat.
But she was talking about how,like, she was saying like free,
you know, she's encounteredfreemasons and at the time
somebody close to me was datingsomebody who was a mason, who
was not white actually, so shewas talking to our like

(42:53):
spiritual advisor about it andshe was like, yeah, you know,
honestly, like the freemasonsare, I think they're pretty like
of the groups, I think they'reone of the the better groups,
the more benevolent groups andshe was talking about like this
female order of something whichI think was like more witch, the
better groups, the morebenevolent groups, and she was
talking about like this femaleorder of something which I think
was like more witchy.
But then, with the Illuminati,one of the people that she sees,
she's like, yeah, I saw thisphoto of him and he was wearing

(43:15):
this mask and I'm pretty surehe's in the Illuminati and she's
like.
She's like stay away stay away.
So I think they are kind ofthese two little separate
spheres that engage in liketheir, their place for power in
very different ways, and I thinkthat I do think that the
freemasons, based on what I'veheard, like I said, this is all
freaking anecdotal with, like,my soul guru in la, which is

(43:36):
like the most la thing to say,um, my soul healer, uh did you
do the tapping?
too.
I haven't done the tapping.
This is just like full on, likemeditation, like past life
healing, and she kind of walksyou through like I'm getting
your over soul talks to her andtells you what it needs, which

(44:00):
was an interesting experience.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I mean I can do that for you if you want.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I mean I can tell you what my soul needs.
My soul an interestingexperience.
I mean I can do that for you ifyou want.
I mean I can tell you what mysoul needs.
My soul needs a man.
Yeah, that's what my soul needs.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
This is all past lives, not right now.
We know what we need right now,but it's like what were we
lacking before?
What trauma did we have from apast life that we're carrying
over, that we need to mend ormanage in order to make progress
in our lives?
And you know what I takeeverything with a grain of salt.
I'm not like, oh my God, thisis so true.
I'm like I'm gonna try this,because I'm trying everything.

(44:31):
I'm like I'm doing therapy, I'mpraying, I'm getting a soul
healer.
I don't have any animals, like Idon't have a cat like y'all, I
just have depression.
So we'll get there one day.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, you always can borrow my boy, I mean Rich, has
two of them, so maybe you canborrow one of Rich's.
Don't borrow Circe, because ifshe's named after her namesake
from Game of Thrones, that's nota comforting cat Circe.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yes, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
I do think that as far asresearching freemasons, they
were more low-key.
They seem to be organized, theydo seem to have their shit
together and they do a muchbetter job as far as keeping

(45:19):
everybody out, because we'resitting here again talking about
it, but all of that can becompletely wrong, we don't know.
So they really don't let anybodyin.
But that's why I find them tohave more power and control than
the illuminati, because theyjust seem to I don't know uh

(45:41):
have like more of a we weretalking like a vision, like a
long-term goal, and I think theywill continue to exist, whereas
, like illuminati, seems to justbe a little messy sometimes.
Uh, from the outside you, uhsoph was talking about, like the
rappers and the pawns you don'treally see that with the

(46:02):
freemasons, they're veryparticular on who gets in and
who doesn't, and I will say this.
There was another thing thatJavi you probably saw too, is
that the Catholic Church is nota fan of the Freemasons.
Even though most of the peopleinvolved are Christians, they
just don't like to be associatedbecause they view them as

(46:25):
potentially pagan or an occult.
I find that to be reallyhypocritical, because I think
the Catholic Church is a cult,organized religion.
I think it's okay to havewhatever belief you want, but I
think just, I mean we could evengo as far as saying the
Catholic Church has settled howmuch for all of the actual abuse

(46:47):
you know.
So like who's in the right,who's in the wrong there, um,
and I always like to touch onthose topics because yeah I just
I do find it hypocritical, likebelieve in what you want but to
judge another, like evenscientology, like it's just a
thing.
People want to believe it orthey're part of it for some

(47:07):
reason, but I don't know.
At the end of the day, like,what's the long-term goal and
what are you controlling?
What power do you have?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
So and speaking of the Catholic church, so I don't
know if you guys have heard ofthe Knights Templar?
Yes, they were also also.
They also said that they werereally interested in finding
like religious relics, like um,when you think about, what is
that?
holy grail the holy grail.
Yeah, they were really superinterested in finding those
religious relics because theythought it would bring them

(47:39):
power.
So, um, they just got reallypowerful and people didn't like
it.
So and what they're saying is,when they were disbanded, they
didn't really go away Like youcan't really disband a group
that's that powerful with thatmuch money.
So they rebranded themselvesinto the Freemasons.
That's one of the.
That's one of the theories outthere.
Yes, that's probably one of thereasons the Catholic Church

(48:01):
does not like them.
Another is the.
They're tied to satanic worshipor baphomet.
Is that another theory rootedin historical anti-Masonic
sentiment that 33rd degreeMasons engage in occult
practices or worship figureslike baphomet?
This idea stems from the beliefthat Freemasonry has hidden

(48:22):
rituals which some interpret assatanic or linked to dark
spiritual practices and random.
So Starbucks, their originallogo it was that mermaid, but if
you turn it around, it was theimage of Baphomet.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Really yes, that's why she has two tails and not
one.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, so where is oh?
Hold on, let me, let me sharemy story.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Good thing I don't drink Starbucks.
That's a great.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I like the spookiness of that too.
And while you guys look at that, I was.
So if you were saying that they, did the Catholic Church say
that it was that they weresatanic, like they were
basically trying to put that onthe freemasons or the um, the

(49:13):
knights?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
because they're so shot that those levels are
shrouded in such secrecy thatthat's what they're saying.
Right, there are ritualsinvolved right, okay because you
don't know what those ritualsare, people make their own
assumptions, um so yeah, sothat's the starbucks logo and I
think, if you, you guys know theimage of that, though, matt yes

(49:36):
I just know that the googlesyeah, so if you turn it upside
down, by the way, how many justoff the top of my head if you
turn it upside down.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
By the way, how many just off the top of my head if
you guys know how many peopledid like, according to the Bible
or whatever context, how manypeople did Satan kill versus God
?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
How many people did Satan kill?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, because I always find it interesting when
people say well, you worship.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Satan, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Rich.
I need to send you.
This is giving me.
This is giving me a whole tip,Rich.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
This is giving me whole tip.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
This is giving me no, no wait on fulton avenue
because it was like 11 people,like satan killed like 11 people
total in the bible and godkilled like millions wait, he
killed the firstborn sons oflike a whole yeah I'm just, I'm
saying from an unbiasedperspective.
It's a really interesting factthis wait?

Speaker 4 (50:25):
who are the 11 people that Satan killed?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I don't know.
I don't know, but if you canlook up the statistic, I don't
know if it was like the-.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
All I know is.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I don't know his story, I don't know his Like,
history is written by the victor.
That's all we know.
Always, always.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Like I mentioned, we went to that private Christian
high school and that's where Ilearned a lot of it, cause we
had to study the Bible.
Yeah, we did, and I found it tobe like spooky, you know, and at
the same time like reallyintriguing.
I thought it was like a reallygood book, but I was like people
believe this and I couldn'tbelieve, I couldn't believe when

(51:02):
I was looking up the facts ofthat.
So when I hear someone say likeoh well, they worship Satan, I
was like well, isn't that almosthypocritical too to say like,
well, which one, which deitykilled more people?
So that's always a goodHalloween thing.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
You would love to be on your show.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
A whole text sent me the same information and like uh
, do you sell shea butter andperfume oil on the side rich?
Should I do you say you're avegetarian and secretly eat crab
legs?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
No, I do not.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Cause it's given me.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I do like crab legs though.
Me too.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Why don't y'all just get married?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I mean I'm just saying, rich, I can move to
Arizona, I'm out, come on.
No, I cannot move to Arizona,but still still, I mean you do
long distance rich, we can workthis out yeah, we can.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I think we're all at this point we can do long
distance definitely.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
We've known each other for so long, just so long
yeah I think a lot of it is likewhat I was gonna talk about.
We've kind of touched onbecause we've taught, like some
of the image, a lot of themasonic imagery, especially
stuff that's been in musicvideos.
That was one thing I wanted totalk about is like oh, there's a
couple of music videos like, um, kanye west power, uh,

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rihanna's umbrella, wherethere's a lot of this imagery,
whether it's the pyramid, uh,the all-seeing eye.
There's also these um, what arethe name there's?
There's these two columns thatare at the front of the Temple
of Solomon that are alsoincorporated into a lot of
Masonic energy, and that'ssomething that's kind of
referenced in the power video.

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When they're put like, whenyou're pulling back from Kanye,
he's standing behind these rowsof columns.
So a lot of this imagery thatcomes from Freemasonry and the
Illuminati space has made itsway into a lot of these big pop
music videos.
And you have to ask thequestion is like why, why?
And also even in the Kanye Westpower video, it's like you're

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pulling back.
Let me just see if I can find ascreenshot In this video.
You're pulling back and you seethese columns and then you see
these oh, my God, and it's justvery.
There's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Hold on one second Sorry.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
You're fine.
But, yeah, the imagery is verystrong and I think, with Kanye
too, we were talking about how,like Kanye kind of feels like
he's coming like a whistlebloweror trying to be a whistleblower
for things that are going on inthe industry.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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I feel like it's just veryintentional imagery, so you pull
out, and then you have thesetwo nude horned women with
massive horns what's around hisneck.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Is that the owl that looks like the?

Speaker 4 (54:17):
owl that's the owl clock and then you have the
world upside down, so like I'malmost like what are they trying
to tell us?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Is it?
Are they doing it to be cool?
Cause we know when it comes tohip hop and rap, they like to do
shit to be cool, like they rapabout clothes and name brands,
stuff.
They're all about flashy andputting it in your face, sort of
like this is what I have andwhat you don't have.
They're big on that, but whatis the purpose of?
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Well, I think it's to kind of separate.
It's like, okay, we're on adifferent level, on the level of
like deity, something exclusiveGod, like when I'm more than
just this.
I'm on this upper echelon oflike being a human.
I'm not even almost like ahuman, I'm, I'm godlike, I want

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to be worshiped.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Mental thing too, like like it's.
Why do you think you're godlikecompared to like other people?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
you know, personality disorders are rampant all up
and through, so that hassomething to do with it.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
I think that's kind of.
There's another fringe religionthat Jay-Z references in one of
his songs, the Five Percenters,and yeah, and you know about
them right, Like the idea that,like the black man coming out of
Asia, the continent of Asia.
I think it's a Muslim thing, butnot quite 5%, as Asian, yeah,

(55:52):
but like that, like a lot of thetenants around, that is, that
you, like you are the deity orlike God is in.
You know we all have like Godin a.
I don't know.
It's interesting, but there iskind of like centering yourself
in the conversation of deity,that you, you are the deity or
you have the power, and I thinkthat might be a little bit of
the approach with these peopleand also what they're trying to

(56:13):
sell to people, to get them to,you know, fall into this
aspirational trance and, um,pursue these things and kind of
worship themselves and becomeself-obsessed.
Because I think once you'relike so self-obsessed, you're
easier to control.
Like when your goals are moneyand materialism and status, you
are very easy to control.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, but to your point about like you know.
Like you are, god there's.
I listened to this guy,terrence McKenna, who believes
in magic mushrooms and that'sone of his thoughts.
Like man and God, they're allthe same.
Like you are God, god is you.
So I thought maybe he's intomushrooms, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I need to be into mushrooms, he worships magic
mushrooms or he takes them.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
No, no, he takes magic mushrooms.
I don't know.
I've never taken mushrooms.
There are a lot of people whenthey take mushrooms.
A lot of them seem to see thesame things.
I've never.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I took them in this is Al.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Green, that's what I do.
What does he call it?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Oh, he has like a.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
But he traveled to, like the amazon, I'm like amazon
and like wait, these tribes whowere into these drugs and like
ayahuasca ayahuasca, yeah,that's yeah, and then they all
see like these same, likemagical elves and shit.
I'm like I want to see magicalelves.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I totally want to see magical elves um, I know a
couple people.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
We have a person in common, you know I don't want to
say names just in case theydon't want their business out
there, but like I've done,ayahuasca and there are a lot of
things that are recurringvisions that you see.
Like a lot of people seepanthers.
That's like one thing thatholistically, our friend in
common has saw panthers on theirtrip and like other people have
reported seeing that, andsometimes people see loved ones

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who have passed it's, it's kindof crazy they claim to see like,
like other beings from otherdimensions and like sometimes
they'll like live out a wholelife and like this is
fascinating so I like I like tolisten to him as I'm falling
asleep, because I'm like maybe Ican have dreams that are yeah,
like live vicariously through it.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, I'm like I am not.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I'm afraid I'll do something and then I'll just go
completely crazy.
I do know that I did knowsomebody that would have
ayahuasca parties and they'd bethrowing up all the time Like it
could be a mess if you're notcontrolled and they'd be
throwing up all the time.
It could be a mess if you'renot controlled.
But what I do know aboutayahuasca is that if you go
through something insanelytraumatic and I can't remember
where I saw this, I think it wasa woman her son committed
suicide or the husband killedthe son and then killed himself

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and she was just a mess for along time she did ayahuasca and
she said it was like the bestthing that she could have done
as far as like an eye-opening,more grounded experience.
So I've heard that if youreally go through like serious
trauma, that ayahuasca can besomething that's very helpful.
I've never done it, I've onlydone mushrooms, um, and that is

(59:20):
sort of like maybe a much moremild second but um yeah, I guess
it depends on your mindset um.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Have you seen elves while doing mushrooms?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
no, for me it was just more like shapes, colors um
colors.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I want to see elves.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
I don't know, yeah, no, I've never seen any uh
magical beings.
That would I.
Honestly, I would probably liverentfree in my head if I did.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I just listened to Al Green and because I believe
he's my cousin and just saw somecolors.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Okay, Maybe you guys need to come out, we'll go to
Joshua Tree and we'll go, youknow, do a shroom adventure.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
We should podcast that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
That's a fantastic idea.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
How far are you from Utah?
How far is Utah from Arizona?
Close.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
A couple hours north, yeah Well shit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
What's the name of that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Oh Zion National Park .

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
No, no, there's a place there Skinwalker Ranch Ah
shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Where is everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Illuminati.
They took over, they tookcontrol.
Yeah, we lost control.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
They're like we're shutting this down um Skinwalker
Ranch, where there's like a lotof Skinwalker Ranch okay, in
Utah.
I want to visit SkinwalkerRanch.
I want to visit Utah what's thecontext of that?
like I know, it's likeSkinwalker stuff, but yeah, but
Skinwalker Ranch is just a ranchwhere, like, a lot of crazy
shit has happened, like it'slike a family that lived there

(01:01:06):
and they like a lot of crazyshit has happened, like it's
like a family that lived thereand they documented like a lot
of stuff that happened, likethings that they've seen in the
dark and just stuff that'shappened with their cows, and
all of that Like cryptids Noteven cryptids Like even like

(01:01:26):
aliens, otherworldly stuff ormaybe another dimension They'll
mention.
Sometimes you can't findsomething and all of a sudden
they're standing there and justlike there it is.
I can't remember.
I read it a while ago, butthere's a lot of stories of
things that have happened.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
I would move personally they eventually moved
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
They did okay, yeah, this guy bought it and actually
the government ended up doingsome research there through like
these, through these companies.
Oh, okay, the guy that was partof it.
He has a book at Lou Elizondowhere he talks about that.
We got aliens y'all.

(01:02:07):
But okay, that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
If you want to go, I'll go visit.
I'm down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah, I want to go see Skinwalker Ranch.
I'm also a big chicken, so Iprobably won't.
It has to be during the day ifI want to go see it.
Okay, like the sun has to beduring the day if I want to go
see it Okay, like the sun has tobe out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Is there anything else that we should know about
these groups?
Do we?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
believe in them, I believe in them, I believe in
them totally, yeah, I think toan extent I think they, they
absolutely have a lot of controland power and a large following
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Um, and I know when we were talking about this
before, on friday or before that, we were like what do we say?
Because allegedly we're sayingthese things, but it is one of
those things.
I almost respect the power andcontrol that they have.
I don't know if I agree with alot of it, but I do think that

(01:03:17):
we maybe exaggerate some of thestuff, but I don't know.
I don't know Cat Williamsreally got to me this year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I'm sure he takes mushrooms for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
I follow this.
Does anybody know who SloaneBella is?
We talked about this, yes weknow.
I love her, but she was sayingabout I don't know if it was
jaguar right or cat williams Idon't, actually it might have
not been her, but one of thepsychics I listened to is
basically saying that, likejaguar right at least, and

(01:03:53):
potentially cat williams, theyknow stuff, but they may be
exaggerating what they know andthey may have been getting
information from people to seehow much they would be sharing,
or from sources.
So it's's like they believewhat they're saying, but not
everything they're saying istrue according to these psychics
, but like like some of like,some of the things it you know
are a little bit moresensationalized or based on

(01:04:15):
their personal interactions withthese people and information
that they've gotten.
It's like, oh, you're a badperson, you've done this to me,
so of course you've killedpeople.
Or like, kill this person.
Bad person, you've done this tome, so of course you've killed
people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
or like, kill this person but that's not
necessarily the case.
Allegedly trying to get paid?
He's just trying to get paid.
Um, she's trying to get someshelter.
From what I hear, she wasliving in a u-haul truck child
body.
They couldn't even serve herthe papers because she didn't
have no way to live we'retalking about jaguar, right yes,
jaguar right, I just feel likeI don know, I just like hear her
talk and it's very performative.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Who is this person, by the way?
How do I not know her so?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
she was a singer in like the late 90s, early 2000s
maybe.
I remember she did that Cokecommercial.
Try to make it real compared towhat.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
That was her?
I thought that was her, thatwas maya no, but she did one too
I only, I only remember andacknowledge maya's coke
commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Um, I actually have some of her music.
I actually bought some of hermusic, like from back in the day
we used to buy some itunes thenalso from the famous um, what's
it called?
That jay-z did live unplugged.
She's young background for soulcry and it's actually a pretty
good performance.
She's actually uber talentedbut a total hot mess.

(01:05:34):
So just before, like, she wastalking about things that
actually ended up being real,but now she's just doing a lot,
and so she was on pierce morshow, I'm sure all these other
little YouTube channels, fine,but then when she got on the
Pierce Morgan show, it wasbasically saying that.
Beyonce and Jay-Z allegedlydon't come for me, y'all
allegedly that basically they'rebad people that do bad things.

(01:05:57):
And then they got hit with thelawyer, jay-z and Beyonce's
lawyer contacting Pierce Morganlike you got to take that part
of the interview out or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
So they didn't have any legal action, but they
threatened to you know go aheadwith legal action because, jack,
you can't just be saying stufflike that about people and
nothing to substantiate it right, there was also the Beyonce's
drummer and, I think, a formerdance captain that was saying
she does a lot of witchcraft and, like I don't know, I don't

(01:06:29):
know, I'm probably making thisup because we've been talking
about cats.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
A woman suitor for witchcraft.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I know a woman suitor , but y'all, I think If you
follow conspiracy theories andall of that, what they do is
there's so much information outthere, they flood you with
information like you don't knowwhat's real, what's not like,
and that's how you hide thetruth.
Some of it might be true, someof it, but you can't tell the
difference.
I think there are real secretsocieties out there.

(01:07:02):
If you ever you know those menat Davos, the Bilderberg groups,
like true people with likeactual power, and what the
Illuminati is doing.
You know it's just providingthem with cover and we're like
let let that happen.
You know, let them talk aboutthe Illuminati, let these like
rappers, hold up signs and doall this shit and hold zero

(01:07:22):
power, but they're helping usRight, Cause that's where their
focus is.
We, we're over here like we'rereally making shit happen.
So I think there are real, butyou know Interesting too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
It's almost like because you I forgot what you
just said some of thosecompanies, but then like
BlackRock, and then there's someother, the one with the M, I
can't remember, but they holdthe power and then they use
these pawns and then they makethese pawns like someone like
Jay-Z allegedly Allegedly, Ithink that they have so much

(01:07:57):
power and that they're liked somuch, but really it's just like
being used.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
They are being used, yeah, so it's kind of sad in a
way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
They sold their soul it's all a distraction.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
All a distraction also rihanna over beyonce any
day.
I never liked beyonce listen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, oh, it was what javi was talking about before
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Hold on hold on hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
We were about to go to the chapel and then oh, it
was what Javi was talking aboutbefore.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
It was like you accept the award and you
dedicate it to Beyonce, Likethat's some bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
I mean in some of those cases I wasn't mad at that
because some of those cases Iwas like Beyonce probably could
have won that award or shouldhave.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
She could have.
Yeah, I'm not talking about hertalent, I'm just saying I just
wasn't a fan of her music.
I just really wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Oh, you're breaking my quit, breaking my heart.
You're breaking my heart.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Let's put this section behind a paywall.
Listen, I'll be the black sheep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
You guys are saying that okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Does anybody in here like Rihanna?
Am I the only one that likesRihanna?
I love.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Rihanna.
I love Rihanna.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I like Beyonce.
I've yet to listen to her lastalbum.
I'm just really weird when itcomes to Beyonce.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Yeah, Like lately too .
It's just kind of likesomething's up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
First song, jolene, I was really upset about because
I don't know Like I love theoriginal and then the way she
remade it.
I'm like you know the originallike Dolly was really like
vulnerable and all that andBeyonce is like, well, you know,
get my box cutter bitch, butyou know get my box cutter bitch
, but you know I think that'sher personality, though.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
That's her, and I think the more I think about it,
the more it makes sense to me,Because it's like Jolene was
about Dolly getting nervousabout her husband flirting with
this woman at the bank.
Jay-z cheated, so like it makessense that Beyonce is going to
cut her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Wasn't it Becky yeah, becky was going to be here why
are you fighting for this man?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I don't know.
I'm not fighting for you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
You're for the bird, you're for the spirit alright,
so okay are you like antiBeyonce or are you like no?
No?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I'm not, I love, I like Beyonce.
I'm not like a crazy fan, but Ido enjoy her music.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I can't tell who likes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I enjoy her music very, very much.
Thank you, Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I just want to make sure we all get out of this
alive, so that's why my face isyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
But I'll be the one If so.
That's why my face is goingdown.
Yeah, but I'll be the one If Idisappear you know, what's going
to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
No, I love, I love.
I'll take care of that one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
I love you you're my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I have not listened to her last album.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
It's good.
It was supposed to be the firstof the three and it makes sense
when you think about it thatway, because Renaissance is like
more energetic and this is alittle bit quieter.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Let's continue on with the conspiracy.
So I'm going to read somethingto you all and you can tell me
whether you think it's true ornot.
All right, so this is calledProject Stargate.
So Project Stargate was a USgovernment program conducted by

(01:11:27):
the Defense Intelligence Agencyin the 1970s through mid-90s,
aiming to use remote viewing andother psychic phenomena for
intelligence gathering purposes.
It was one of the Cold War erainitiatives where the US
government exploredunconventional methods to
outmaneuver the Soviet Union,which was believed to be
conducting similar research.

(01:11:48):
The project began with the CIA,then transitioned to the DIA
and eventually, under thecodename Project Stargate,
encompassed a range ofoperations that explored whether
psychic abilities could beleveraged in national security
contexts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Has anyone here?

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
heard of Project Stargate or remote viewing or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Yeah, I haven't no, okay is that what the um?

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
this might be a stupid question, but I'm asking
is this based off of the show?
How they got the movie stargateand the show stargate?
Because I've never seen it waslike you could literally.
It was like a gate.
You walk through it intoanother world or we have contact
.
So that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
When did this take place?
Again, this is the 70s.
Okay, so yeah, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I don't know if that's and it was supposed to be
like a military.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah, it was the 70s to the mid 90s.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I think it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You think it's true?
Uh, I think it's true, youthink it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
I think it's true too .
It kind of reminds me of a lotof the the Montauk project stuff
that made it to Stranger Thingsbecause they did a lot of that
in Stranger Things and it wasduring that period the remote
viewing and the trying to seewhat was going on in Russia?
Yeah, no, definitely true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I don't know.
I'm here for it going on inRussia.
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely true, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
I don't know, I don't know.
I'm here for it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I mean, I think it's interesting.
People think all of this, oh,it's magic, it's woo, it's all
of that.
We don't believe the CIA islooking into all of that
Everything, ok, all right, theyare looking into all of it,
right?
If you mk ultra like mine, youknow, like controlling people's
minds, like those when you seethose things where, like you
know, there's like a like akeyword, that like um, that

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someone hears, and it just likeactivates them to, like you know
, do certain like it's justthere.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
The cia is into this I get a little frustrated, but
we live in a like a christiannation where people are like oh
my God, look at those abilitieslike that.
Because I'm like, have you readthe Bible?
You believe a man walks onwater, somebody parted the sea,
somebody turned a staff into asnake.
You believe that somebody hastalked to the dead, because

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that's in the Bible.
You believe all these things,but you don't believe that this
is possible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Who was it that went up into?
They went up to the heaven likethis 900 years.
Was it abram that lived for 900?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
years, almost a thousand years old don't get me
started on alien theory though,with like going up and like the
uh up in like the face of Godpassing by Moses on the Mount,
like like spaceship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
How do people believe God was an alien?

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
That would make sense .
That would make sense.
And I'm not saying like somepeople say, well, you're an
atheist, you don't believeanything.
No, I'm saying like if you putit in front of me I'll say, okay
, that's real, you broughtsomething.
So maybe it's an alien, Maybeit's a flying spaghetti monster,
Maybe it's something else, butmaybe it's nothing.
But like it's hard to just.
You know, like Javi saying allof the magic that happens in the

(01:15:02):
Bible and then you don'tbelieve, like some of these
other things, is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And I think it's a fundamental view, because not
everybody takes a fundamentalview but if you take a
fundamental view, I guess, ifyou're like really basing it off
, because I know a lot of, Imean, most of my friends are
Christian, Catholic, and theydon't believe it.
They don't read the Bible, theydon't believe it, they don't
read the Bible, they don't.
They're just like I have my ownbeliefs, but dark side of the

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moon, you know, living on Mars,we don't know any of that stuff.
I don't think we found anystructures yet on Mars, I mean
on water and some is it sometype of?
life it's like a microscopiclife or something I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
No, we haven't they debunked.
They said no, we didn't find it.
Oh, they debunked it Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Yeah, we didn't find it, who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Frozen.
Yeah, I hope it's real.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
I honestly do I think it would make life really fun.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
And who knows, we don't have a lot of miles left
on this to know that we couldjump somewhere quickly, that we
could terraform Mars, or maybethat there's a dome on the moon.
But you know what, if there's agalactic federation and there's
aliens and all this stuff, thenI'm like I think we have a lot
more to be concerned about thanthe end of the world, because
there's obviously a lot moregoing on that we haven't been

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privy to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah well, they're saying in 2027 there's going to
be a big reveal apparently.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
These are the past 10 years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
I'm waiting, I know In 2012, the nine calendar ended
.
Wait what In 2012,?
It was supposed to be fade toblack.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Well, it's funny you say 2027, because I was
listening to another psychicsaying that 2028 is going to be
like a year of uh, a lot ofconsciousness raising because
there's going to be, it's goingto be a chaotic year.
Well, there's an astro that'sasking get your stuff together
now, okay that time too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
So they're saying it's not gonna um, it won't be
close enough, but it's passingclose to us in 2027.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
I'm going to do something right now.
It's going to be 2029.
It's going to be 2029?
Yeah, somebody's talking to mein my head.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Absolutely not what kind of they can do it, I can do
it too.
Cleo psychotries, this, yeah,hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yep, oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
All right.
And speaking of stars andpsychics, it's time for a shady
astrology.
When I get in your zodiac's ass, all right?
So it's scorpio season now.
No shout outs to the scorpios,not at all.

(01:17:44):
So, first of all, scorpioseasons from October 23rd To
November 21st.
They are water signs andthey're also represented by the
Scorpion.
Notable celebs Drake, katyPerry, gabrielle Union, sierra,

(01:18:04):
whoopi Goldberg and, of course,diddy the Diddler Did it him.
That's Diddy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yes, it explains a lot.
So here are some qualitiesabout Scorpios they're secretive
, brave, jealous, obsessive,possessive, controlling, loyal,
ambitious and intuitive.
Do any of you guys knowScorpios in your life?

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
They don't have like every type of personality, so
like personality disorders.
Is that what we're saying?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Look, scorpios, I'm going to get into my little rant
in a second, all right.
So let's talk about theScorpios, all right?
They're the spicy mystery novelof the Zodiac.
Scorpios are the ones you'llfind sitting in a corner at the
party sipping something dark andintense and throwing side eye
glances that say I know what youdid last summer and I ain't

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impressed.
No-transcript.

(01:19:34):
But don't be fooled by thestandoffish vibe.
Scorpios are passionate andloyal.
Once you're in their innercircle, they'll protect you like
a hawk with a suspiciously wellup-to-date security system.
Just don't ever lie to them,because they'll forgive but
never forget.
It's actually more like I'llforgive eventually, but only

(01:19:56):
after a few elaborate revengeplots that have been fully
executed.
Ain't nobody got time for theseScorpios?
Okay?
And they're supposed to beknown for being like the lovers
in the bedroom?
Okay, absolutely not.
No, he's not the one Scorpio Idealt with and I know he watches
my WhatsApp.
I'm sorry.

(01:20:17):
Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Okay, scorpios, they make dopefriends, you know, but lovers
Trash, absolute trash.
The juice isn't worth thesqueeze.
Absolutely not.
Fuck Scorpios, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Did this one have a missing side tooth?
No, that's that Libra.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
That one last.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I felt like that was more than one person.
I felt like it was like and hehad a missing side tooth.
I heard that I feel like atleast twice on this show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Oh, my God, I think he did hear it twice, I was like
wait, are we talking about thesame person?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
All of them are trash , but especially that Scorpio
trying to play mind games.
And then you become ahomosexual and you still want to
play mind games.
Talking about oh, you wanted aboyfriend, bitch.
Why did I feed you thesestrawberries this morning for
breakfast?
Of course I wanted a boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Is this like?
Actually, I feel like this iswhat happened to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
This seems like a personal experience.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I'm getting very detailed.
I would like to know more.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Oh, it's not Some of it's based on a true story.
Some of it, you know, on a truestory.
I'm just saying Scorpios, Ijust don't get the hype,
honestly.
They're just brooding all thetime.
I don't got time for all thisbrooding, brooding.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, you don't love the brooding male.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
No, I don't.
I want someone happy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
I love my Scorpio friends Our friends.
Scorpio.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
I love the ladies Maybe because I'm not dating the
ladies.
Then they're lovely and I havesomeone I work with that's a
Scorpio.
She's a dope Scorpio.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
My friend Mike Lynch, who you know, he's a Scorpio.
He's very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Something else is in his chart he brews on the
weekends.
Something else is in his charthe brews on the weekends.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Listen, I can't wait to come on and do Capricorn
reading.
Every sign is trash.
Every sign has been trash.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
She said Hebrews were trash too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
She said Virgos were trash.
She's like there must besomething else in your chart,
javi, but every sign has beentrashed.
And then there's always a veryspecific story about a very
specific gentleman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
This is what's called shady astrology.
We're not here for the good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
That's what we call fair and balanced.
Nobody got time for that.
You look at us as somethingnice.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
But there's throwing shade and then saying every sign
is trash.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
There's a few that I like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Taurus.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I like Taurus, I like Cancer and I even like Leos.
I like Leo men.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Why I?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
like them, barack Obama's a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Leo.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Gabrielle Union's a Scorpio.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah, I don't like her ass.
She's beautiful, though she's amean girl.
She's a mean girl.
She's doing stuff to her face.
Now, this is very much like herclaim to fame is oh I look so
young.
Oh, I look so young, but it'slike you're doing things.
You're so beautiful, you don'thave to do these things.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
She's just looking like Madame.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
That's what she's looking like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Can we just say how good we all look for our age?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yes, we do.
It's a sexy bunch.
Why are you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
shaking your head, javi, oh nothing, I just you
know when you say our age andyou know we met each other, be
it that alumni organizationwhere I was connected with you
guys as older alumni about like10 years ago.
So I know we have a little agedifference between us guys as
older alumni about like 10 yearsago.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
So I know we have a little age difference between us
I'm probably older than you,but not that much right.
Javi is very young and muchyounger than he was born in 19
90.
It's not a geriatric millennialno, none of us, we're pushing
it.
We're pushing into genetic.
No, none of us are.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
We're pushing it, we're pushing it to Gen X.
I claim my elder millennialstatus.
Yeah, I claim it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Yeah, gen Z can hate us all they want, but they take
our music, our clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
They take our clothes .
They take our clothes, myclothes.
I'm just like what do you knowabout this?
We're literally wearing ourrecycled clothes from Plato's
closet.
They're wearing Aaliyah shirtsand T-Shirts and they have our
slang.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
They're going to be wearing this shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
It's trash.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
I really feel Gen Z is in for I don't know the rude
awakening with Gen Alpha, reallyjust the bad chat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yeah, they're going gonna know what it's like it's
gonna be really.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
I think it's gonna be rougher just because gen office
is like, I think the uh, the ad, like this hyper add yeah, I
haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
What age group is that like they're so young
they're like fetuses, but no, Imean they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
I think that's like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
I think high school now is definitely gen alpha yeah
yeah, because gen z, likethey're almost in their 30s, I
think they're like 29, maybe theoldest, so they're starting to
get up there and I I've seenthose tiktoks of them
complaining about gen alpha andI'm like you guys, are you Just
keep going?
You'll be bitter abouteverybody when you're 30.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
And people quit a job with nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I love that energy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Well, y'all, that was it for Shady Astrology.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Rich Javi, thank you for joining us on this wild ride
.
I really loved all of thisdiscussion.
So, yeah, I don't know how toclose this out, but all I can
say is for these secretsocieties, if they really want
to keep it a secret, you don'tneed the rock.

(01:26:28):
Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
That should be like a screenshot, like all of us just
holding them up, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
So we can just like what I don't get, one of those
Hold on all of us hold it up,hold it up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Yeah, all right, we got to close our eyes too.
Oh my God, oh my God, that'sfunny.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
Thank you for having us, though.
This was great.
Yeah, you guys are awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
by the way, I hope you continue doing the podcast
because it's it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It is a lot of fun.
I like it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
I would love to come back on and talk further about
ancient aliens and the dark sideof the moon.
Slash the lunar landing did itactually happen?
did it actually happen?
My question is not did itactually happen?
My question is was thetelevised moon landing the
actual moon landing only?

(01:27:25):
Because I'm like the only mybiggest thing about that is more
of like the pr of thatpotentially going really awry.
Like what if something reallybad happened during the
broadcast?
That would like be bad formorale, so I could see them
staging it for that to havecontrol over it and because you
know, space is it's space likewe have action on stuck up there
now in 2024 yeah, bring themback.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
My issue is how did we lose the tech to go to space
like I don't even understand?

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
good, question the investments were what else?

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
apparently to get that far, there's like this
radiation belt that's gonna killyou immediately I was reading
about that, and that is not thatCause.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
I thought that for a while too, but that's not the.
I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
They do talk no Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
No, but let's look, let's, let's.
We should have a conversationabout this.
Cause I was.
That was literally something Iwas looking up a few weeks ago
and I was like wait, I thoughtlike what's up with the
radiation belt?
What's up, because I rememberpeople saying that and that's
why it's not real.
But it's not true Something,alan.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Oh, okay, I did have a family friend that was an
astronaut.
He did a lot of the spacewalksand he had some interesting
stories.
Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
He never went to the moon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I never asked him about like this was a long time
ago about what Javi was talkingabout, but I don't know.
I know you can actually get ona telescope and see.
I think you could see the flagon the moon if you got a really
good telescope.
It's pretty cool.
Also I thought about this and Iwant your guys' opinion.
For flat earthers, I think weshould start a funded program

(01:29:04):
where we just shoot them up intofucking space.
You know like, I just feel like, if they're disagreeing with it
so much that maybe why notprove the point and end our tax
dollars on proving people wrong?
So I'm very petty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Oh, I like your pettiness, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
That's one of the ones I'm like I just I don't
even look into it alright, y'allwell.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Thanks for joining us for this episode and if you
like the vibe, make sure youlike comment and subscribe.
Till next time.
Y'all excuse what it's bad,alright.

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