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Discover the power of mindset transformation in this inspiring interview with Dr. Josh Axe. After facing a life-altering health crisis, Dr. Axe shares how changing his mindset played a critical role in his recovery and personal growth. From practical strategies like the A, B, C, D, E method for overcoming limiting beliefs to the importance of faith, hope, and gratitude, this conversation is packed with actionable insights to help you transform your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What would you do if you were told that, because of
an accident that happens to you,that you may never walk again
and in fact you may die?
Most of us would hear that andthink my life is over.
We would lose all hope.
But that is not what happenedto my guest that I'm
interviewing today.
(00:20):
In fact, my guest is going tobe sharing not just about his
own personal experience, butabout how the research and the
thousands of people that he hasworked with as a physician have
ended up seeing major changes intheir lives, not because of
something they've eaten or amagic pill they've taken or a
medicine that they've been on.
It's because they changed theirmindset.
(00:42):
And today we're going to tellyou how you can do the same
thing.
I'm interviewing Dr Josh Axe.
Many of you probably have heardof Dr Axe.
He's been around for quite awhile and a leader in the health
and wellness space.
He has a company called AncientNutrition that has supplements,
that has protein powders, whichyou know I love those and
(01:05):
Ancient Nutrition has some greatbone broth-based protein
powders.
Actually, we don't talk aboutthat in the interview, but we'll
link to it in the show notes ifyou want to try it.
But Dr Axe is an amazingphysician.
He's been in the functionalmedicine space, he's written
several books and today we'recovering his newest book Think
this, not that.
(01:25):
Let's dive in to today'sepisode.
Dr Axe, as a doctor, a verywell-known doctor who's focused
a lot on nutrition, on health,on creating a protein company
with ancient nutrition, what ledyou to write a book about
mindset?
Why did you choose that topic?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, you know, originally one of the things
that I had discovered inpractice when I had a functional
medicine practice was one ofthe biggest things holding my
patients back, holding myselfback, holding most of you I knew
back wasn't necessarily diet.
Now I do think diet is veryimportant, but I found that the
way that we think about thingsand our belief about things has
a big impact on our health.
(02:09):
It also has to do with theBible.
When I go back and look at theBible, of course we have the
food laws around that Mosesgives.
We know that Paul says we needto honor God with our bodies.
So I do believe that there aresome nutritional principles and
things that we need to be awareof and, in fact, the way that
they ate in the Bible a lot ofreal food, a lot of sourdough,
bread and wild caught fish andbeef and fruit, pomegranate,
(02:32):
figs, olives are talked aboutplenty in the Bible.
But I also know when Jesus istalking about healing, he almost
always says your faith or yourbelief that's what heals you.
And so I've always been very,very aware of the healing power
of prayer, the healing power ofour mindset and our beliefs, and
so when I was writing this book.
(02:54):
I've always loved nutrition,but more than even nutrition,
I've really loved spiritualgrowth.
I've loved leadership.
I've loved being able to growand character myself and have a
bigger impact on the peoplearound me, and so I wanted to
write a book that really helpedmy patients and helped other
people experience breakthroughsin their life and that could be
for their health and it could befor other things.
(03:16):
And when I started off writingthis, we decided I wanted to
write this book.
I actually I started goingthrough my own health crisis,
and when I mean a health crisis,I mean I I almost died.
I uh, I had to be flown from.
I was living in Puerto Rico,between Puerto Rico and
Nashville, tennessee at the timehad to take a medical flight
from Puerto Rico to Floridabecause I went in for a simple
(03:36):
medical procedure.
Um, it was a natural procedureusing my own stem cells in my
back, and during the procedure,my disc got infected in my spine
and that spread into my boneand then to my spinal cord area
with an abscess in my spinalcanal and I had to be flown.
Medically, I was on a gurney.
I couldn't move.
(03:57):
I wasn't moving for a monthwhen I got flown there and the
doctor told me there theinfectious disease specialist.
He said I want to give you yourmost likely outcome here You're
most likely going to bepermanently disabled.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And he said you could even die.
He said best case scenarioyou're going to have chronic
pain the rest of your life andand you know, Kimberly for 24
hours.
Now listen, I'm a medicalexpert in my own field, Right
and and getting that diagnosisfor me for about 24 hours I just
had it was like a spiritual andmental battle.
I had felt for a little bitlike my life was over.
(04:32):
I mean, just months before Iwas throwing my two-year-old
daughter in the air, I wassquatting, deadlifting, cycling,
swimming, playing pickleball,doing all the things that I love
to do, and then have a doctortell me you are likely to be
permanently disabled from.
This was, of course, very hardto heal here and I, after about
24 hours of feeling like avictim and sorry for myself and
(04:54):
just regretting getting thatprocedure done in the first
place, I decided you know whatmy God is bigger than my
diagnosis.
I don't need to be focusing onthe worst case scenario and what
likely occurs.
I need to fix my eyes on Jesusand I need to focus on what's
the best that can occur.
And I had studied myself.
You know how to get the bestresults, and a lot of it has to
(05:17):
do with the placebo effect.
I mean there is somethingcalled the placebo and another
one called the nocebo effect andthe placebo effect it goes all
the way back to World War II,where there are soldiers that
were fallen and injured and theyran out of morphine and this
doctor said okay, well, we haveto give them something.
So he said, just inject sugarinto them and tell them it's
(05:41):
morphine.
And they did this.
And the crazy part was,Kimberly, that around 40% of
those soldiers had the same painrelief as if they were being
given morphine.
Now, if you know what, morphineis one of the strongest drugs
on the planet.
I mean, it's the fact that ourown brains and bodies can create
those sort of chemicals thatcould numb pain or cause healing
(06:04):
to happen that strongly.
It really is amazing.
And so I realized that if I wasgoing to heal, I needed to
embrace the power of prayer,have faith, believe and really
change my mindset, Having amindset of I'm a victim.
They messed up in thisprocedure, blaming anybody.
I decided I'm not going to livethere.
I'm instead going to fix myeyes on God.
(06:25):
I'm going to believe that Iwill be healed.
And I also came acrosssomething really interesting in
a study and it said this you canamplify the placebo effect, and
you do that by one having avery specific vision, being able
to visualize exactly what youwant in the future, because that
helps your nervous system, yourneurological system, move
towards that reality, If you canactually picture it.
A lot of times our mind andsubconscious mind works via
(06:48):
pictures and images.
So I pictured myself throwingmy two-year-old daughter in the
air, going out, cycling, going,running, doing all those things.
And then it said in the studythat you can also amplify the
placebo effect by visualizingthat thing you want in the
future and experiencing thoseemotions right now, and so
feeling that joy, feeling thatexcitement, feeling that state
(07:10):
of gratitude, and so being inthat state.
And the third thing wassometimes your nervous system
doesn't believe you.
Unless you prove to it, it canhappen, and so creating a plan.
So this is how I will do this.
Okay, and there's one othercommon part about this it's also
reading stories about peoplethat have overcome the
(07:31):
impossible and maybe seen asimilar healing result that
you've seen.
And, by the way, when I went onthe internet, I had a hard time
finding anybody that fullyrecovered well from a spinal
infection, but I did run intosomebody whose daughter had it
and they said it took her threeyears, but she got back to
normal this is their daughterwhen she was in college and I
(07:53):
thought you know what I'm goingto follow, that I'm going to
follow that plan, I'm going todo that.
And so I did everything I could.
On my end, I got in ahyperbaric chamber for months.
I started taking certainvitamins, supplements, doing
pool therapy all the things Iknew to do and over the course
of a year I got better andbetter and better.
I didn't walk for an entireyear, Kimberly, like, did not
(08:14):
walk, I couldn't even sitbecause the pain was so bad,
putting any gravity on my spine,and so I just had to lay in bed
for a year and I could crawlout and get into a pool.
After a few months starteddoing that and after one year I
was able to get on a walker,started getting on a walker for
a bit, got off a walker, andthat's only been about like, I
just got off the walker probablyabout a year and four months
(08:35):
ago now.
So it wasn't.
I mean, this is fairly recent inmy life and now I'm back to
probably, I'd say about 90percent and I should be 100% by
the end of this year.
I'm back cycling, I'm swimming,I can carry my daughter, I'm
lifting weights.
I have almost fully recoveredmy health and a big credit to
God and a big credit to thepower of mindset really saying I
(08:58):
want this, I'm going to goafter something, and so when I
wrote this book by the way, thebook was supposed to be a little
bit something different.
It really turned into how doyou experience a breakthrough in
your health, how do youexperience a breakthrough in
your life?
And that's how I came up with abook called Think this.
Not that it was.
This is exactly what you needto think, the mindset you need
to have in order to heal, inorder to experience a
(09:21):
breakthrough.
And here are the things youneed to in order to experience a
breakthrough, and here are thethings you need to avoid.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What would you say to the person who's listening to
you and thinking that's all fineand good for you, but I've been
working hard at this thing,trying for this, believing for
this, praying for this, and itjust hasn't happened for me,
therefore, it's not going towork.
Like changing my mindset is notgoing to do anything, but give
(09:48):
me false hope and make me evenmore mad at the end of it.
What would you say to thatperson?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So first off I'll say you know,I've taken care of tens of
thousands of patients, care oftens of thousands of patients,
and the ones that show thegreatest level of hope and faith
that they will be restored orhealed or redeemed in some way
(10:14):
have the best outcomes.
I've seen that clinically inpractice.
By the way, the medicalliterature proves the very same
thing that people that live in astate of gratitude and have a
high level of hope that they canand will be healed, they get
the best outcomes.
And the Bible says that as well.
So I mean, if somebody decidesthey're going to live in a state
(10:35):
of doubt, they're going againstmodern science, they're going
against the Bible and they'regoing against clinical
experience of a lot ofpractitioners.
And so you know, and I thoughtabout this, like here's the
thing that I thought is whatshould I think?
I'm not going to decide what tothink right now.
What should I think that willmost likely restore my health?
(10:56):
What is is my best chance?
Saying you know what?
I don't want to get my hopes upand I'm going to kind of live
in doubt and try a few things,but not every like, like living
in that state, versus saying youknow what?
I will be healed.
I'm going to go full forwardwith the plan, doing everything
in my power to heal and pray andask God for his help in this.
So so, statistically, if you'rea smart person you're
(11:21):
absolutely.
I'm just saying statisticallyyour chances of getting well
with a positive mindset are fargreater and you can pull it
there.
I mean, I've read this inpsychology journals, medical
journals, numerous journals thatprove this very same thing.
So one I'd encourage people tobe wise.
Give yourself the best shot.
(11:42):
Why would you give yourself theworst shot?
Give yourself the best shot andand it's going to be with this
mindset we're talking about.
The other thing is, when youread the bible and when you read
about the stories that mostinspire us, typically those
healings didn't happenimmediately.
That's a boring story.
Sometimes it took so manypeople 40 years, sometimes it
(12:03):
took them four months.
But I would just say that, likehere's something that I did
when I was going through thisprocess.
Sometimes it took so manypeople 40 years, sometimes it
took them four months.
But I would just say thathere's something that I did when
I was going through thisprocess.
I said, god, would you refineme and help me grow mentally and
spiritually through thisprocess, and even physically.
Here's the thing, by the way,that crept into my mind Kimberly
, even though I was very hopefulof regaining part of my health,
(12:26):
I had this sort of voice thatsometimes crept in here and
there and it said well, you canimprove, but you'll never get
back to 100%.
Maybe 70, maybe you can seesome improvements, but never a
full restoration.
And I had to kind of take thatthought captive and say that's
not true, I will get back to100% and do everything I can.
(12:48):
Now.
I'm 90% now and I think I'mgoing to get back to 100%.
But I will say this even if Igot back to 98%, okay, but if I
didn't have this mindset, Imight've only got back to 70%
and I wouldn't be where I am now.
So if you want to stack thecards in your favor and get your
best outcome, you want tooperate with an attitude of
gratitude and a mindset of hope.
(13:08):
That's just what you know,religion and science and
everything else proves.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And there has to be an aspect of this as well.
Maybe there's some other areasof your life that you've had
situations happen or believingfor something to happen 100%,
but maybe there are othersituations where it has only
happened to the 50%, and I'mthinking about the times in
Scripture where there are peopleJesus didn't heal right, like
(13:41):
he passed by them in order to goto some of the others.
Or there are people like Paul,who always had a thorn in his
side that God never took away,but there was a reason for it,
right Like it ended up, eventhough at the beginning those
people would have said God, Iwant complete healing here or I
want this to go away Forwhatever reason.
(14:01):
God didn't.
And so what are the lessonsthat you think could be for that
kind of situation?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah and always be on the lookout for that, and I was
very aware of that goingthrough this process.
I think the thing that allowedme to be aware even in this
situation was the reason I gotin the natural medicine field in
the first place was my mom wasdiagnosed with breast cancer
when I was in junior high and Iremember her losing her hair and
going bald.
I remember her looking likeshe'd aged 20 years in two weeks
(14:28):
and just thinking there's gotto be a better way, and I want
to help people like my mom andlisten.
At that time I never would havethought and my mom would have
never said I'm grateful I hadcancer.
But my mom, who's in herseventies now, will tell you I'm
grateful I had cancer.
Actually, I was surprised shesaid I was watching her talk to
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somebody and she said that onceand I thought, wow.
She said you know what?
I'm more grateful for my lifebecause I went through that.
She said it taught me to numbermy days.
I am so much more aware andbetter at prioritizing and doing
the things that matter and andso I think that seeing my mom go
through that and the fact thatthat actually situation blessed
(15:12):
our life and our family now nowallowed me that.
When I went through this myselfbeing able to say you know what?
I'm going to use this for good.
God uses all things for good,and so I'm going to learn about
longevity medicine, I'm going tokind of evaluate my life and
maybe reprioritize things, andso I absolutely see the good out
(15:32):
of this.
In fact, I've studied a lot ofregenerative and longevity
medicine through this and I'mgoing to write another book in
the future on that, and I havemy own podcast now, the Dr Josh
Axe Show, where I talk a lotabout mindset and a lot about
healing with longevity medicine,and so there have been so many
good things that have come aboutthrough this and listen.
(15:56):
It's hard when you're in themoment, but you want to do your
best to be grateful, praise Godand think about how you can use
this for good in the future,tell a story with this in order
to help others via yourexperience.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Are there areas with yourmindset that you still struggle
Like any of the 12 that you talkabout in your book?
Are there some that you're like100% this has gotten super easy
for me, and other ones whereyou're saying this one's still a
daily struggle.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, I'll say that, even if I struggle with some, I
definitely have gotten better atall of them.
But here's one, here's one.
So I I've had to kind ofrediscover my purpose.
I think I went from being verycertain of teaching people how
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to use food as medicine theearly part of my career, and
that was like the biggest focusto, I think, now, I think, being
more aware of how important ourspiritual health is and how
that impacts our physical healthand also being aware of mindset
and sort of self-developmentand looking at those things and
also kind of right now,redefining and looking at okay,
I don't just want to help peoplegrow and improve physically, I
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want to help them growspiritually as well.
And so I don't know if that'sbeing not as good at.
I just think it's something Iam having to redefine myself
right now and think about how doI communicate and do those
things and reach more people inthat way.
So that's something I think I'mvery conscious with and maybe
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that's a little bit if I'mthinking about a personal
struggle right now or somethingI'm working through and still
defining.
You know that's, that'sdefinitely on the list, I mean
there's.
You know that's, that'sdefinitely on the list.
I mean there's, you know there,there are there, there are
there.
There are numerous ones, butthat's, I think that's the
biggest right now.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
When you were going through the, the recovering from
the injury, I can imagine thatyour wife was probably having
her own beliefs that she maybehave been had, were struggling
with during that time, like ishe going to get better?
What does this mean for ourfuture?
What does this mean for ourfamily?
She probably took on a lot ofstuff because she was the only
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one, like, capable of around thehouse.
What did that, what did thatlook like for your marriage and
for your relationship?
And how, how did her limitingbeliefs change and grow
throughout that time?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
My, my wife surprised me going through this.
I actually thought she would bea little bit more rattled than
she was now.
Maybe at times when I didn'tsee it, she had her moments.
But she had told me, because Iasked her, that once we were a
few you know, we were monthsinto this I said, how are you
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doing?
And she had told me.
She said you know what I prayedabout this and God told me he's
got you and that was kind of it.
It was really like you know, uh,I'm a little moved even
thinking about it because, like,my wife is very spiritually
(19:16):
discerning and very, I mean I Ireally just admire and and and
sort of just you know, sometimesin all just her amazing
relationship with God.
I mean she has such an intimaterelationship and so, like that
was incredibly encouraging to mehaving her just say I mean that
was like a 10 secondconversation, it was really
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short, but it was something thatreally, I think, touched me and
made me give me a greater levelof confidence in her hearing
from God on that and having thatconfidence in that.
And then we're also veryblessed of amazing family.
My father-in-law and mymother-in-law cared for me
through a good part of this.
My parents came down and livedwith us for three months during
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this process, and so our parentswere so incredible.
And this is where, for peoplethat don't have community one of
the chapters in the book Ireally go through how to build
an amazing community, a dreamteam, how to build an amazing
family life, how to build agreat life and community of
friends around you and I was soblessed that time to have our
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parents, to have our siblings,to have some very close friends
that were there for us in anincredible way, and people that
don't have that.
I almost don't know how theywould do it.
I mean, it would be a realstruggle because I wasn't able
to do anything.
I wasn't able to prepare my ownmeals.
So it was, you know, like wehad this little ritual in the
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morning where, like my daughtershe was two and a half at the
time and she would like me acouple of supplements that
Chelsea would have her puttogether for her, and it became
kind of like a family affair tohelp me heal.
But I'm sure Chelsea's faithwas tested Absolutely.
But I think that we sort offelt this sense of calm and just
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great faith in knowing that youknow God is good.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I love that.
That's so powerful.
You mentioned that you're.
I don't know if you said yourviews have changed, but maybe
it's like your focus is changinga bit more to where it's the
spiritual health that'simpacting the physical health.
That's how you're, that's howyou're seeing things.
How does spiritual healthimpact physical, impacting the
physical health?
That's how you're, that's howyou're seeing things.
How does spiritual healthimpact physical?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
health.
Yeah Well, I think that it'sthe single biggest factor that
impacts our physical health.
I think that our spiritualhealth is more impactful than
our, than our diet or the amountof exercise we do.
Um, when you know, um, when youlook at how and I want to kind
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of tie in emotions here, becausemost of the time when somebody
is lacking faith or virtue,what's happening is creeping in
is these vices and that leads tonegative emotions.
Okay, and so different emotionsreally impact our physical
health and that tends to be tiedto a lack of spiritual health.
(22:12):
So, for instance, we know viamedical studies that if you're
living in a state of fear thataffects your adrenal glands,
your adrenal glands startpumping out more adrenaline and
cortisol.
Your body gets in a fight orflight state.
We know that ages you.
It's connected to every singledisease you can think of.
So we know, by having too muchfear, because maybe you don't
have enough faith, that greatlyimpacts your health and that
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organ system of yourreproductive organs and adrenals
.
Now, in a very similar way,worry impacts our health.
Worry impacts our digestivesystem.
I've had many patients andpeople I've known over the years
.
Their stomach will start toache or get digestive issues if
they overworry.
I mean, I've had patients withinflammatory bowel disease and
what will bother their stomachor their intestines just as much
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as eating gluten or ice creamis if they're going through
relationship stress or worryingabout something.
So we know worry impacts thatsystem.
And we know God says listen, Itake care of the lilies of the
fields and the birds of the air.
I'll take care of youlies ofthe fields and the birds of the
air, I'll take care of you.
So worry is a big one.
Anger, resentment, envy,unforgiveness those all affect
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the liver and lymphatic system.
Grief not being able to let goof your past and move forward
with the future.
Not forgiving others too.
That impacts your immune system.
And then we know this oneanxiety, nervousness.
What happens to your bloodpressure starts to rise?
That impacts your heart andcardiovascular system.
So all of these emotionalimbalances are tend to be caused
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from a lack of let's call itspiritual wellness.
Now, that's not to say thatit's not healthy and fine
sometimes for us to experiencesome of those things for a short
period of time, but when welive in this it's one thing okay
, I'm a little fearful now.
Okay, I'm checking with myfaith.
Okay, now I'm getting myselfout of it.
It's when you live in a stateof fear or worry or anxiety or
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anger that it starts to createdisease inside of your body.
So spiritual health is evenmore important than nutrition
when it comes to your physicalhealth.
I mean, it's absolutely true,and 80% of doctor's visits are
stress-related, emotional stress.
So it's yeah, it's apparent, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I am really into health and wellness and the
longevity space and I followseveral different people who I
won't necessarily name, but oneof the I have felt very strongly
like one of the things lackingin a lot of the main voices out
there in kind of in that spacewith, like diet and exercise,
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food, wellness, overall healthand longevity is God.
Like a lot of them don't haveany faith, um at all, and, and
so I feel like the informationis really good and helpful up to
a point, but everything thatyou're saying, like I believe
that there comes a point whereGod steps in in ways that
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medicine never could or thethings that we do with our
health ever could, like thethings that we eat, will only
take us so far.
How much we exercise and howhigh our VO2 max is and all of
these things, like all of thoseare fine and good, but also if
we're only training to have asuper long life on this earth
(25:35):
and not at all focusing onwhat's next, like that's a part
of this too, right.
So I love that you're in thisspace and you have a lot of this
research and education andpassion and background, but you
can come in and bring to it, butreally none of it matters if we
don't have Jesus and if wedon't know him and have a living
(25:58):
and real relationship with him,and how that relationship
impacts our faith and how thatimpacts our body and our
relationships.
I see that as such a need inthe space, so I'm so glad that
you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, thanks so much.
Well, you know, this has beensomething that you know I've
actually had sometimes struggledto find close relationships in
the space because historicallyit has been, there's been such a
strong influx of eithernon-spirituality or new age
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spirituality.
And that's why I've got a fewreally good friends in this
space, like Jordan Rubin, drWill Cole and a few others that
I just greatly admire, becauseit is kind of rare.
And, to your point, I thinkthere are some biblical views of
this in terms of, like, youknow, it's like what good is
gaining the world, or even, Idon't know, gaining your health
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and losing your soul.
You know, I think that wealways need to prioritize soul
and spirit and, again,relationship with God, becoming
more like Jesus.
It should be at the very topand that's actually what gives
our life purpose and meaning.
Purpose and meaning, if yourgreatest purpose is just to feel
good and be healthy, I mean,listen, that's better than
(27:18):
nothing, but it's not near theepitome of what we're called to
do in our life, and that's whatyou know.
One thing I notice about somepeople, I think, in the space,
is there's maybe a lack of joyor a sense of joy about them,
and I think that, again, for me,there's a real sense of like,
of a calling, of what I'm doinghas eternal significance.
What you do has eternalsignificance, and so, you know,
(27:38):
I'm always very aware that youknow, like you know, one thing I
did in my practice is alwaysprayed for patients.
I mean constantly.
And and you know I had somebodyasked me this once.
They said, hey, are you worriedabout losing patients or being
less popular because you're sooutspoken about your faith?
(27:59):
And I just said no, like Idon't, you know for me, if I am
less popular because I share myfaith, that's okay.
Like I'm not, I'm not doingthis to gain a billion followers
.
That's not my goal.
My goal is to impact people aspositively as possible, lead
people to Christ and help peopleheal, use the gifts God's given
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me to help people get ashealthy as possible.
So I think so much of this isabout our mindset or reframing
what success is.
Reframing what success is?
I think a lot of us have beensort of polluted over time to
believe that success is having acertain size house, making a
certain amount of money, havinga certain amount of followers,
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where the reality is no, likethe Bible and I get in this in
chapter two but the Bible nevertells us success is achieving
something.
The Bible tells us success isbecoming like someone.
And so for me, one practice Ihave now is I don't just have a
to-do list, I have a to-be list.
(29:02):
If I get something done todaybut I berate a customer service
rep or something while I'm doingit and make them feel bad about
themselves, even though I mightget it done, I absolutely
failed.
And so I think, having abecoming list and realizing I
want to be more generous, I wantto be more loving, I want to be
more compassionate.
Success is not what weaccomplish, it's who we become,
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and I think the more that we canhave that in our sights and be
aware of that, the more of animpact we'll actually have.
Because I think the more thatyou become a high character
individual, the greater thingsthat will flow from you.
You'll have moreaccomplishments, because you in
the right type ofaccomplishments that aren't for
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evil, that are for good when youbecome a certain type of person
.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How might someone go about starting a become list and
how do you like track yourselfon it?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So so here, here's what I Iwould do, uh, or do.
Um, I first think about who doI want to become like, okay,
I've got Christ.
And then who are other peoplethat reflect certain natures of
Christ or maybe also inalignment with the gifts that I
have, an impact I want to have.
So I think about my grandfather.
(30:21):
I think about who's amazingChristian man died at 96 years
old this is a few years ago.
I mean, he was such an amazingperson.
I think about you know, I thinkabout people, people that I
really respect, like JohnMaxwell.
I think about my businesspartner, Jordan Rubin.
I think about my father-in-law,who passed away last year, Joel
.
I think about other people inthe space that have a big maybe,
(30:43):
you know.
I think about, like I respectBill Johnson a lot, Craig
Groeschel a lot, certain otherauthors.
So there are people and I thinkabout those people and I think,
okay, what is it that they have?
That virtue that I want toidentify with?
(31:03):
And one of the things I noticedabout my grandfather was he was
so generous, I mean, he gavemoney away to where he had
almost nothing, and I thought Iwant to be like that and I look
at someone like my dad, who'sincredibly disciplined, and I
thought I want to be known tohave that level of discipline.
I look at John Maxwell andleadership, and I think I love
that, and so I look at thesedifferent characteristics.
(31:25):
I'll write down my top 10 that Iwant to be known for and then
I'll think about okay, what aresome I premeditate?
Okay, what are some ways inwhich I can be more generous in
the future?
Okay, when I go out to eat withsomebody, I'm going to always
pay, Especially if it's somebodyyoung and has less than me.
If somebody is young and hasless than me, I will always pay
(31:45):
for their meal, and if anybody'sever been around me, they'll
see that, because I just that issomething.
If I want to, I have to knowhow to do that in a practical
way.
So that's one way.
Chelsea and I always committedto giving at least 10%.
So as soon as our money comesin, before we do anything else,
it goes right back to our churchor ministry, and so I wanted to
be generous, and so I wrotedown practical things I can
(32:08):
start to do, where I'm alwayslooking how can I pay for this
or cover for somebody that isless fortunate than I am in a
situation.
Leadership it's like, okay, well, how do I develop as a leader?
Well, one of the things I'velearned over the years
leadership is really two thingsit's your ability to challenge
others it's really in line withthe masculine and your ability
to nurture others with love it'smore in line with the feminine.
(32:30):
So how do I do both thosethings?
I'm going to challenge peopleand call them to something
higher, but also encourage themand nurture them and help them
grow.
And then, over time, I readbooks on that, I listen to
podcasts on that and I implementdoing that On our monthly calls
.
We have a segment where werecognize everybody who is
(32:54):
standing out in the companyshowing great leadership
qualities.
But yeah, I think you just getpractical with it.
You write down what are the 10things you want to be known for,
highlight the top three atleast, and then write down
practical ways you can grow andactually live out those top
three.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I love that.
I know that my audience lovesthe practical, like give me
something to take away and doand to see some success and
results with, and so this is agreat one of our conversation so
far and other things that we'vetalked about as well.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And let me mention this too, kim, because I think
you'll like this too.
I read a John Maxwell bookyears ago called Today Matters,
and in the book he tells you tocreate character.
He doesn't tell you to do it.
He said he did it himself.
They're called character cardsand I started doing this, where
I would write down what arethose character qualities I want
to grow.
And I took those top 10 and Iwould write down a couple of
(33:47):
Bible verses, a question and anaction or actions I was going to
take in order to embody that.
And I laminated these cards andI carry them around in my
pocket.
I still have them today.
I made these back in 2005, like20 years ago, and this is
something I've implemented withthe men's group I'm connected
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with as well.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I love that.
What is your favorite Bibleverse or Bible story?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh goodness, you know I love 2 Corinthians, 10, 31,.
Whether you eat, drink orwhatever you do, do it all for
the glory of God.
You know, recently I memorized2 Corinthians 13, and I don't
remember the exact verse.
(34:35):
But love is patient, love iskind, it does not envy, it does
not boast, it is not arrogant orrude, it does not insist on its
own way, it is not irritable orresentful, it doesn't rejoice
in wrongdoing but rejoices inthe truth.
Love bears all things, believesall things, hopes all things,
endures all things.
(34:55):
Love never fails.
That's another one justrecently.
That's really sat with me andwhen I was going through my
healing crisis, there was aPsalms I really meditated on
quite frequently and actually Ispent a lot of time in the
Psalms and anyway, I could keepquoting Bible verses.
(35:17):
But, all that being said, thereare quite a few that I meditate
on regularly and in terms ofstories in the Bible, I mean
part of this might have to dowith that.
I think I really resonate withUm, but my mom always, my mom
would always tell me this and itwas really meaningful to me.
(35:38):
She said I named you a Joshuaso you could be a Joshua and I
and I love sort of thetransition where Joshua sort of
picks up where Moses starts offand God is saying to Joshua, I
think it's like seven to 10times, he's like you know, do
not be fearful, be strong andcourageous, for I'm with you
wherever you go, whatever you do, you know.
And so I think I mean I love, Ilove the story of Joshua, Um, I
(36:01):
love the story of Abraham, Um,um, and yeah, I love, anyways, I
love just stories of faithwhere people just had great
faith in certain moments when itseemed like it just didn't make
sense, Like Joshua on the wallof Jericho, like marching around
it seven times that does notmake any logical sense, but
(36:22):
feeling God was leading him todo it.
He did it and a miracle occurred.
And so, yeah, those are a few.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I love those.
I'm interested to know.
When you first became a doctorand it stemming from watching
your mom go through breastcancer you wanted to do
something to help people, so youwent into this industry and it
ended up like did you start init thinking one day you'd write
(36:51):
several books that you wouldhave a protein based company
with like?
Was that the plan?
And if not, how did it morph?
How did you just leave?
How did it?
How did you get to where youare now?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, let me first off saying I didn't even think
I'd become a doctor.
Like when I was a freshman inhigh school, I had a teacher ask
me to stay after class.
Her name was Ms Noble and Istood after her and she said
Josh, what do you want to bewhen you grow up, or no?
She said what do you want to doafter high school?
And I said I want to be adoctor.
And the reason is the yearbefore my mom went through
breast cancer and I decided inmy mind I wanted to be a doctor.
(37:28):
She laughed out loud and shesaid Josh, listen, with your GPA
you'd never get into med school.
She said you just got an F onthis paper.
You're getting a D minus in myclass.
I'd pick a different career.
And then two weeks later my mombrought me to see a medical
doctor who diagnosed me withADHD and I remember him saying
(37:50):
your son has a learningdisability.
And then I thought to myselfnot only am I getting bad grades
, actually there's somethingwrong with me, I have a
disability in learning.
And so I really stopped trying.
In school I graduated withalmost a 2.0 GPA really bad and
I wasn't able to get into mostcolleges.
But one college sent me aletter and they said we've got a
(38:11):
new program, first time doingthis.
You're not in, but if you comeand take summer school class and
you average above a 3.0, we'lllet you in.
And I thought, okay.
So I went to this school and itwas University of Kentucky and
I'm from Ohio, and I went there.
I took summer school class andthe first class I had to take
was English 101.
(38:32):
And the first big assignmentwas a paper and I really tried.
I'm like I'm going to try, I'mgoing to do this paper.
I turned it in and then theteacher her name was Ms Williams
she said not kidding you.
Three days later she said Josh,can you stay after class?
And my heart sank.
I thought, oh no.
And she said Josh, what's yourmajor?
And I said I haven't chosen oneyet.
And she said well, I think youshould consider being an English
(38:54):
major, journalism major,because you got the highest
grade in the class.
I think you're a really giftedwriter.
Great job.
And like my whole world changed.
I went from having noself-esteem, thinking I couldn't
do this, to having one teachertell me you're a great writer,
you can do this.
And then I averaged above 3.0in undergrad and throughout
(39:16):
getting my chiropractic degreeand my doctor of natural
medicine degree.
And then I went on to muchlater Actually this is just a
few years ago went to JohnsHopkins and I averaged nearly a
4.0 there and, yeah, then becamea doctor, started a supplement
company.
The reason I bring all that upis I thought I had a point in my
(39:38):
life where I thought I wasn'tgoing to do anything.
I mean my parents were thinkinghe's probably not going to even
graduate high school and allglory to God.
One thing I just want people totake away from that is that,
like, our words are so powerful.
I mean there are people stilltoday who have had a parent or a
teacher or a pastor or a coachsay something negative to them
(40:00):
or a schoolmate in high schoolor elementary school, and
they're still living with thattoday and they have not tried to
go out and take that risk or dothat thing in their life
because somebody said somethingnegative and they believe that
over, maybe the voice of God orover, or maybe they haven't had
anybody speak life into them.
(40:21):
But I am very conscious of thepower of my words and I'm always
trying to put my arms onpeople's shoulder, look them in
the eye and say you're good atthis.
I believe you can do this,because when somebody did that
for me, it altered my entiredestiny and trajectory of my
life.
And so, to answer your question,no, I didn't think I would
(40:42):
write a New York Timesbestselling book.
No, I didn't think I wouldbecome a doctor or start a
supplement company or do any ofit.
I think, over time is I decidedto step out in faith, even
though I thought, well, gosh, Idon't know, I don't think I'm
capable or can do this.
I took a step of faith becauseI felt like I'm called to give
it my all and use my gifts forgood, and as I've continued to
(41:03):
do that, I feel like God hascontinued to open up my vision
and my eyes more and more andmore over time.
And so I would just encouragepeople to get around encouraging
people, get around the rightmentors and people.
Pursue those relationships andlisten to what God has put on
your heart and go after it, andI think he'll continue to open
(41:26):
up your vision for the futurebut also allow you to do more
than maybe you thought you could.
Yeah, so that's so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's not as you were talking.
I was just thinking it's notjust about our limiting beliefs
about ourselves, but ourlimiting beliefs about others
that we may have and how we dothat differently, like with our
kids, or with our spouse, orwith our coworkers or our
friends.
It's not just changing the waywe're talking about and thinking
of us, but even the way we'retalking to and thinking about
(41:58):
those around us that we love,which is so powerful.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
There are four types of limiting beliefs People have
limiting beliefs aboutthemselves, limiting beliefs
about others.
Limiting beliefs about theworld, like oh, you know there's
only so much.
Like money doesn't grow ontrees there's an example one.
And then limiting beliefs aboutGod, and the most destructive
of all of them is limitingbeliefs about God.
(42:24):
If you believe God's an angryfather, if you believe he
doesn't intervene in your life,if you don't believe he heals
your prayers, if you don'tbelieve he cares, what that does
to your identity because you'rehis child, and to have a parent
that ignores their child anddoesn't listen and doesn't
intervene doesn't do anything.
That is very harmful to yourown sense of identity.
(42:46):
And so if people truly want tochange who they are, the fastest
thing they need to do is changetheir belief and become into
right understanding of who Godis and who that means you are in
relationship to him, and sothat's something I think I
really learned and became moreaware of as I wrote the book of
that.
That is such a critical factor.
I hit on this in one of thechapters on identity in the book
(43:06):
.
I think you know when I firstgot into my practice, kimberly,
the biggest medical conditions Isaw growing were cancer,
hypothyroidism, autoimmunedisease, diabetes, obesity.
Today it's mental health issuesand identity issues.
I mean it's gotten so bad.
Some kids actually thinkthey're cats.
(43:29):
I mean it's a little jokinghere, but not joking, I'm
serious Like it's gotten reallybad.
But that's just one example.
I mean there's so many peopletoday living with incredibly low
self-value, worth andself-esteem.
It's so low, and so being ableto tap into understanding who
your God is and who he createdyou to be is one of the most
(43:50):
important beliefs that peoplecan start to build.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And you think that can help overcome the mental
health crisis?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh, I think it's the only thing that can help.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, I was when my husband and I were going
through our adoption processwith our kids.
This was like seven years agonow, but I just remember my
limiting belief about God atthat point in our life.
My life was he is not good, andso I was just overtaken with
(44:24):
fear and anxiety during thatwhole two-year process of just
like God's not going to do it,he's going to.
It's going to be like Abrahamwith Isaac, where he like ends
up asking him to just give it upand it's like a carrot.
It felt like God was dangling acarrot in front of me that I
that I was a hundred percentsure I was never going to get,
(44:47):
and so it was.
This terrible and like even justthinking of it now brings tears
to my eyes because it was solike a great tactic for Satan to
use is, for me, was I knew Godwas real.
He couldn't get me with that,but he totally got me with.
But he's not good.
And man did God show up andshow out and just like
(45:11):
completely show that he was goodand is good, and I feel like
that's the one I always go backto is like a stacked stone in my
life of like God is good and Ihave evidence that I look at
every day with my kids of howhe's good.
But it's those things like howwe think about God 100% impacts
(45:32):
how we think about ourselves,how we think about the world
around us, how we think aboutothers, our fear, our anxiety,
our anger, our grief, all thosethings you were talking about
earlier.
I think that's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know, one of the hardest things for people, I
think, is that we often tie ourparents, that we often tie our
parents, and even more so ourfather, to who God is, and I
think that's the and for me.
I was very blessed to have agrandfather and a father and a
(46:04):
mom who were so incredible andnot perfect, but really great,
and I think that that makes itan easier bridge to understand
who God is, and I think forthose that don't have that it's
a little harder, but it'sdefinitely not impossible and
you want to be able to go andrecognize that God isn't like
your dad was.
He's infinitely better, and soI think that's important for
(46:31):
people to recognize and go outand search for.
There's a great book I read byPhilip Yancey and it was called
the Jesus I Never Knew.
I think that was a book I readand I thought, wow, it was
really impactful for me at thetime and I want to say it was
college, because when I readthat book I thought, wow, that's
just, it allowed me to betterknow the character of God and
(46:52):
who he is, and I think the morewe can read books about who God
is, his character and inrelation to us.
Those are powerful.
There's another book by DaleMast called In David Perceived
he Was King.
That's a great book on identity, but those would be a couple
I'd suggest people go and read.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Hmm, great book on identity, but those would be a
couple.
I'd suggest people go and readthis podcast.
We talk a lot about the fourdifferent areas of working on
yourself to become your bestself.
So we talk about physical,intellectual, emotional and
spiritual areas of our lives.
Of those four, what would yousay are some of the ways that
(47:31):
you work on?
We call it working on your pies.
What are some of the ways thatyou are working on your pies
that have served you well andhelped you to feel and be the
best that you can?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
You know, I think there's one word that I think
becomes very important for allof those pies and that is
awareness.
You know, when I am living inthe presence and I'm very aware
God is with me he is with meright now and I'm maintaining a
communal conversation there thatawareness is key.
(48:07):
When I look at people I mostrespect spiritually and
emotionally, they're very hardto rattle and we'll all notice
this.
If you know certain pastors,priests, rabbis, monks that have
a serenity to them and they cansit there and look into you and
listen to you without judgmentand what they're doing is
(48:28):
they're operating with a highlevel of awareness.
It's actually a form ofemotional intelligence, of being
aware of the spiritual, of thepsychological, of the things
going on.
So there's an awareness thattakes place.
I think the same thing is truephysically.
The people that I think I seereach the highest level of
health.
They have the greatestawareness of truth around
physical health.
They have the greatestawareness of truth around
(48:50):
physical health.
Like I know, when I eat this,it'll affect my body.
This way, I know that I need toback off now and take some time
off and not overwork Like Ineed to have awareness around
that.
So I think awareness is areally key element that most
people maybe need More.
People need to cultivate, andit leads to more spiritual,
(49:11):
mental, emotional and even, youknow, just maturity across the
board.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, I'm thinking about all of the times maybe not
all, probably all all of thetimes that I am not aware of my
own body's cues, like especiallyaround hunger.
Those are the times where, if Ilike, if I'm hungry but I just
don't eat, or I'm like cravingsomething but it's really not
good for me, like ice cream orsomething, and when I give into
that, how much worse I feelbecause I wasn't aware, like
(49:43):
maybe I just needed moreelectrolytes or just hydration
in general, or maybe I needed toeat some protein and vegetables
, right, Like.
You probably see that a lotwith people in the in the
nutrition space of it, wherethey're just unaware of their
own body's cues and what theirbodies need.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Absolutely yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, what would be your final advice to our
listeners of what they can do,one of the best things that they
can begin doing right now, assoon as this podcast ends, to
help to have a better mindsetand a better future?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I would say one thing I'd encourage people to do is
write down what your top threelimiting beliefs are.
What are they?
What are your limiting beliefsare?
What are they?
What are your limiting beliefsabout yourself?
What are your limiting beliefsabout God, about others?
So write those down.
What those limiting?
It could be one, it could befive, but write down at least
three.
And then I want you to do anexercise where you then go and
(50:45):
say okay, when did it start?
Was it a teacher?
Was it when you were in fifthgrade?
When did this belief start thatyou know is limiting you?
Okay, and then go and writedown what exactly is it you
believe?
Okay, and that's actuallycalled the ABCDE method.
A is activate the memory.
(51:07):
When did it start?
B is write down exactly whatyou believe.
C is write down.
The consequences is if youcontinue to believe that Like,
for instance, me saying I wasn'tsmart, that's what I thought
when I was in high school If Icontinue to believe that I'm not
even going to apply to JohnHopkins, I'm not even going to
write the.
You know, I'm not going to doany of that.
So what are the consequences?
(51:27):
D is now dispute it.
Why is that not true?
Why is it a lie?
And E is exchange it for whatyou need to believe instead, and
then go and focus on readingand listening to and doing the
things in order to overcome thatbelief.
Now Take the actions in orderto prove it wrong.
Okay, so that's.
(51:50):
The first thing is overcomingthose limiting beliefs and the
other thing is write down thatbecoming list.
Who do you want to become?
Who are the people you need tofollow, listen to be discipled
by or mentored from, whetherit's at a distance or in person
ideally a little bit of both inorder to grow and experience
that breakthrough.
And I think if you can focus onthose beliefs and becoming,
(52:11):
you'll just be shocked and blownaway by what can start to
happen in your life.
And I want to encourage peopleto get the book.
The book I wrote on this iscalled Think this, not that, and
I go into this in a lot moredeep detail on it.
It hit a New York Timesbestseller list.
You can buy it in bookstoresnationwide.
We've had such a good receptionof people saying that it really
is a.
You know a lot of the books outthere that are about growth and
(52:33):
self-help.
They don't have this Christianfaith lens, and so I think
there's a lot of self-help,becomes all about helping
yourself, and that's not verysignificant or meaningful Um and
so.
So I think this book has areally good foundation for it,
and so I think people reallyenjoy it.
But yeah, kim, I appreciate youhaving me on.
(52:54):
This is a joy.
I love discussing these thingsbecause this is my biggest.
You know the passion of myheart talking about these things
.
I talk about this sometimesalong with a lot of health
topics on my podcast, the DrJosh Axe Show, which I'd love
for people to check out here tooin the future.
But this was fun, greatquestions and thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Oh, thank you so much , Dr Axe.
We're going to put the links toget your new book Think this,
Not that, and it's one ofseveral that you have, but
people can find out more aboutyou and all of the links that
we'll put there, especially toyour book and to your show, the
Dr Axe Show.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for what you do.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Thank you.
There were so many greattakeaways from this episode and
at the end, of course, I askedDr Axe what his top three were
and, as a recap, he went throughthe ABCDE method.
So really recalling thelimiting belief that you have
about yourself what is it, wheredid it come from?
Activate that in your mind andthen going through the process
(53:55):
of disputing that belief,exchanging it with a new belief.
I think that's a reallypowerful thing that you can do,
as well as going through andcreating that list of who do you
want to become.
One of my favorite parts of theepisode and I wrote it down as
a quote was the Bible doesn'ttell us that success is
achieving something, but it'sabout becoming someone, becoming
(54:18):
more like Christ.
What are the areas in your lifethat you want to become a
better person, want to becomemore Christ-like?
Think of the people I know.
One of the first people Ithought of was my mom.
Oh, my mom is the best.
How can I?
What are the aspects of herthat I just love and admire?
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Her hospitality for one, herjust unconditional love.
My mom and I got into a fight acouple of weeks ago and within
10 minutes she was at my door.
I had told her not to come over.
At the end of it I was like no,I just need some space right
now.
She came over anyway, but itwasn't to like continue or to
(55:02):
try and get her way, or to tryand get me to see things her way
.
She said I just want to sitwith you.
I was like mom, I'm in themiddle of work.
She said it's fine, I'm justgoing to sit here next to you
and not say anything, becauseshe knew I was overwhelmed, I
was mad about other stuff.
But she just came and sat withme.
The ministry of presence was.
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I have never felt it like that.
She just sat in the middle ofme being angry, in the middle of
me crying, in the middle of mebeing upset.
She just sat there and was justpresent and at the end she just
gave me a big hug, told me howmuch she loved me and then she
left.
She didn't try and guilt me ormanipulate me.
My mom is the absolute best.
(55:46):
But it's moments like that whereI think, man like I want to be
more like that.
When someone doesn't agree withme, how can I just go and sit
with them so that they know howmuch I love them and how much I
care about them, and not tryingto change them Like that is what
I want to be more of.
What is it for you?
Write down, that become list.
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You Write down, that becomelist.
And then, finally, my thirdtakeaway is the importance of
hope and faith and how.
Those are the things that giveyou the best outcomes.
What should I think about thatis most likely to restore my
health, my marriage, my future,my mindset, my relationship with
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my kids, whatever that is, foryou, likely.
What you're currently thinkingabout is keeping you stuck.
I know this because I emailedseveral clients at Marriage
Helper yesterday and I said whatis keeping you from doing this
next thing, moving forward andsaving your marriage?
And the majority of responsesthat I personally received were
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people who said I just don'tbelieve that change can happen.
That's a mindset.
How can you begin to changeyour mindset?
What should you think about thatis most likely to restore your
marriage?
It's not the excuses, it's thehope and the future.
So then, how can you see apicture of the future?
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That's what hope is being ableto see a vision of the future,
experience the emotions of whatit will be like when that
happens, and then creating aplan to get there.
Hope is a vision.
With a plan, there is always,always hope, no matter what your
circumstance or your situationis, but it takes believing that
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the future can be different andseeing the plan to get there.
I love that part of it.
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Until next week, stay strong.
What would you do if you were told that, because of
an accident that happens to you,that you may never walk again
and in fact you may die?
Most of us would hear that andthink my life is over.
We would lose all hope.
But that is not what happenedto my guest that I'm
interviewing today.
(00:20):
In fact, my guest is going tobe sharing not just about his
own personal experience, butabout how the research and the
thousands of people that he hasworked with as a physician have
ended up seeing major changes intheir lives, not because of
something they've eaten or amagic pill they've taken or a
medicine that they've been on.
It's because they changed theirmindset.
(00:42):
And today we're going to tellyou how you can do the same
thing.
I'm interviewing Dr Josh Axe.
Many of you probably have heardof Dr Axe.
He's been around for quite awhile and a leader in the health
and wellness space.
He has a company called AncientNutrition that has supplements,
that has protein powders, whichyou know I love those and
(01:05):
Ancient Nutrition has some greatbone broth-based protein
powders.
Actually, we don't talk aboutthat in the interview, but we'll
link to it in the show notes ifyou want to try it.
But Dr Axe is an amazingphysician.
He's been in the functionalmedicine space, he's written
several books and today we'recovering his newest book Think
this, not that.
(01:25):
Let's dive in to today'sepisode.
Dr Axe, as a doctor, a verywell-known doctor who's focused
a lot on nutrition, on health,on creating a protein company
with ancient nutrition, what ledyou to write a book about
mindset?
Why did you choose that topic?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, you know, originally one of the things
that I had discovered inpractice when I had a functional
medicine practice was one ofthe biggest things holding my
patients back, holding myselfback, holding most of you I knew
back wasn't necessarily diet.
Now I do think diet is veryimportant, but I found that the
way that we think about thingsand our belief about things has
a big impact on our health.
(02:09):
It also has to do with theBible.
When I go back and look at theBible, of course we have the
food laws around that Mosesgives.
We know that Paul says we needto honor God with our bodies.
So I do believe that there aresome nutritional principles and
things that we need to be awareof and, in fact, the way that
they ate in the Bible a lot ofreal food, a lot of sourdough,
bread and wild caught fish andbeef and fruit, pomegranate,
(02:32):
figs, olives are talked aboutplenty in the Bible.
But I also know when Jesus istalking about healing, he almost
always says your faith or yourbelief that's what heals you.
And so I've always been very,very aware of the healing power
of prayer, the healing power ofour mindset and our beliefs, and
so when I was writing this book.
(02:54):
I've always loved nutrition,but more than even nutrition,
I've really loved spiritualgrowth.
I've loved leadership.
I've loved being able to growand character myself and have a
bigger impact on the peoplearound me, and so I wanted to
write a book that really helpedmy patients and helped other
people experience breakthroughsin their life and that could be
for their health and it could befor other things.
(03:16):
And when I started off writingthis, we decided I wanted to
write this book.
I actually I started goingthrough my own health crisis,
and when I mean a health crisis,I mean I I almost died.
I uh, I had to be flown from.
I was living in Puerto Rico,between Puerto Rico and
Nashville, tennessee at the timehad to take a medical flight
from Puerto Rico to Floridabecause I went in for a simple
(03:36):
medical procedure.
Um, it was a natural procedureusing my own stem cells in my
back, and during the procedure,my disc got infected in my spine
and that spread into my boneand then to my spinal cord area
with an abscess in my spinalcanal and I had to be flown.
Medically, I was on a gurney.
I couldn't move.
(03:57):
I wasn't moving for a monthwhen I got flown there and the
doctor told me there theinfectious disease specialist.
He said I want to give you yourmost likely outcome here You're
most likely going to bepermanently disabled.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And he said you could even die.
He said best case scenarioyou're going to have chronic
pain the rest of your life andand you know, Kimberly for 24
hours.
Now listen, I'm a medicalexpert in my own field, Right
and and getting that diagnosisfor me for about 24 hours I just
had it was like a spiritual andmental battle.
I had felt for a little bitlike my life was over.
(04:32):
I mean, just months before Iwas throwing my two-year-old
daughter in the air, I wassquatting, deadlifting, cycling,
swimming, playing pickleball,doing all the things that I love
to do, and then have a doctortell me you are likely to be
permanently disabled from.
This was, of course, very hardto heal here and I, after about
24 hours of feeling like avictim and sorry for myself and
(04:54):
just regretting getting thatprocedure done in the first
place, I decided you know whatmy God is bigger than my
diagnosis.
I don't need to be focusing onthe worst case scenario and what
likely occurs.
I need to fix my eyes on Jesusand I need to focus on what's
the best that can occur.
And I had studied myself.
You know how to get the bestresults, and a lot of it has to
(05:17):
do with the placebo effect.
I mean there is somethingcalled the placebo and another
one called the nocebo effect andthe placebo effect it goes all
the way back to World War II,where there are soldiers that
were fallen and injured and theyran out of morphine and this
doctor said okay, well, we haveto give them something.
So he said, just inject sugarinto them and tell them it's
(05:41):
morphine.
And they did this.
And the crazy part was,Kimberly, that around 40% of
those soldiers had the same painrelief as if they were being
given morphine.
Now, if you know what, morphineis one of the strongest drugs
on the planet.
I mean, it's the fact that ourown brains and bodies can create
those sort of chemicals thatcould numb pain or cause healing
(06:04):
to happen that strongly.
It really is amazing.
And so I realized that if I wasgoing to heal, I needed to
embrace the power of prayer,have faith, believe and really
change my mindset, Having amindset of I'm a victim.
They messed up in thisprocedure, blaming anybody.
I decided I'm not going to livethere.
I'm instead going to fix myeyes on God.
(06:25):
I'm going to believe that Iwill be healed.
And I also came acrosssomething really interesting in
a study and it said this you canamplify the placebo effect, and
you do that by one having avery specific vision, being able
to visualize exactly what youwant in the future, because that
helps your nervous system, yourneurological system, move
towards that reality, If you canactually picture it.
A lot of times our mind andsubconscious mind works via
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pictures and images.
So I pictured myself throwingmy two-year-old daughter in the
air, going out, cycling, going,running, doing all those things.
And then it said in the studythat you can also amplify the
placebo effect by visualizingthat thing you want in the
future and experiencing thoseemotions right now, and so
feeling that joy, feeling thatexcitement, feeling that state
(07:10):
of gratitude, and so being inthat state.
And the third thing wassometimes your nervous system
doesn't believe you.
Unless you prove to it, it canhappen, and so creating a plan.
So this is how I will do this.
Okay, and there's one othercommon part about this it's also
reading stories about peoplethat have overcome the
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impossible and maybe seen asimilar healing result that
you've seen.
And, by the way, when I went onthe internet, I had a hard time
finding anybody that fullyrecovered well from a spinal
infection, but I did run intosomebody whose daughter had it
and they said it took her threeyears, but she got back to
normal this is their daughterwhen she was in college and I
(07:53):
thought you know what I'm goingto follow, that I'm going to
follow that plan, I'm going todo that.
And so I did everything I could.
On my end, I got in ahyperbaric chamber for months.
I started taking certainvitamins, supplements, doing
pool therapy all the things Iknew to do and over the course
of a year I got better andbetter and better.
I didn't walk for an entireyear, Kimberly, like, did not
(08:14):
walk, I couldn't even sitbecause the pain was so bad,
putting any gravity on my spine,and so I just had to lay in bed
for a year and I could crawlout and get into a pool.
After a few months starteddoing that and after one year I
was able to get on a walker,started getting on a walker for
a bit, got off a walker, andthat's only been about like, I
just got off the walker probablyabout a year and four months
(08:35):
ago now.
So it wasn't.
I mean, this is fairly recent inmy life and now I'm back to
probably, I'd say about 90percent and I should be 100% by
the end of this year.
I'm back cycling, I'm swimming,I can carry my daughter, I'm
lifting weights.
I have almost fully recoveredmy health and a big credit to
God and a big credit to thepower of mindset really saying I
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want this, I'm going to goafter something, and so when I
wrote this book by the way, thebook was supposed to be a little
bit something different.
It really turned into how doyou experience a breakthrough in
your health, how do youexperience a breakthrough in
your life?
And that's how I came up with abook called Think this.
Not that it was.
This is exactly what you needto think, the mindset you need
to have in order to heal, inorder to experience a
(09:21):
breakthrough.
And here are the things youneed to in order to experience a
breakthrough, and here are thethings you need to avoid.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What would you say to the person who's listening to
you and thinking that's all fineand good for you, but I've been
working hard at this thing,trying for this, believing for
this, praying for this, and itjust hasn't happened for me,
therefore, it's not going towork.
Like changing my mindset is notgoing to do anything, but give
(09:48):
me false hope and make me evenmore mad at the end of it.
What would you say to thatperson?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So first off I'll say you know,I've taken care of tens of
thousands of patients, care oftens of thousands of patients,
and the ones that show thegreatest level of hope and faith
that they will be restored orhealed or redeemed in some way
(10:14):
have the best outcomes.
I've seen that clinically inpractice.
By the way, the medicalliterature proves the very same
thing that people that live in astate of gratitude and have a
high level of hope that they canand will be healed, they get
the best outcomes.
And the Bible says that as well.
So I mean, if somebody decidesthey're going to live in a state
(10:35):
of doubt, they're going againstmodern science, they're going
against the Bible and they'regoing against clinical
experience of a lot ofpractitioners.
And so you know, and I thoughtabout this, like here's the
thing that I thought is whatshould I think?
I'm not going to decide what tothink right now.
What should I think that willmost likely restore my health?
(10:56):
What is is my best chance?
Saying you know what?
I don't want to get my hopes upand I'm going to kind of live
in doubt and try a few things,but not every like, like living
in that state, versus saying youknow what?
I will be healed.
I'm going to go full forwardwith the plan, doing everything
in my power to heal and pray andask God for his help in this.
So so, statistically, if you'rea smart person you're
(11:21):
absolutely.
I'm just saying statisticallyyour chances of getting well
with a positive mindset are fargreater and you can pull it
there.
I mean, I've read this inpsychology journals, medical
journals, numerous journals thatprove this very same thing.
So one I'd encourage people tobe wise.
Give yourself the best shot.
(11:42):
Why would you give yourself theworst shot?
Give yourself the best shot andand it's going to be with this
mindset we're talking about.
The other thing is, when youread the bible and when you read
about the stories that mostinspire us, typically those
healings didn't happenimmediately.
That's a boring story.
Sometimes it took so manypeople 40 years, sometimes it
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took them four months.
But I would just say that, likehere's something that I did
when I was going through thisprocess.
Sometimes it took so manypeople 40 years, sometimes it
took them four months.
But I would just say thathere's something that I did when
I was going through thisprocess.
I said, god, would you refineme and help me grow mentally and
spiritually through thisprocess, and even physically.
Here's the thing, by the way,that crept into my mind Kimberly
, even though I was very hopefulof regaining part of my health,
(12:26):
I had this sort of voice thatsometimes crept in here and
there and it said well, you canimprove, but you'll never get
back to 100%.
Maybe 70, maybe you can seesome improvements, but never a
full restoration.
And I had to kind of take thatthought captive and say that's
not true, I will get back to100% and do everything I can.
(12:48):
Now.
I'm 90% now and I think I'mgoing to get back to 100%.
But I will say this even if Igot back to 98%, okay, but if I
didn't have this mindset, Imight've only got back to 70%
and I wouldn't be where I am now.
So if you want to stack thecards in your favor and get your
best outcome, you want tooperate with an attitude of
gratitude and a mindset of hope.
(13:08):
That's just what you know,religion and science and
everything else proves.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And there has to be an aspect of this as well.
Maybe there's some other areasof your life that you've had
situations happen or believingfor something to happen 100%,
but maybe there are othersituations where it has only
happened to the 50%, and I'mthinking about the times in
Scripture where there are peopleJesus didn't heal right, like
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he passed by them in order to goto some of the others.
Or there are people like Paul,who always had a thorn in his
side that God never took away,but there was a reason for it,
right Like it ended up, eventhough at the beginning those
people would have said God, Iwant complete healing here or I
want this to go away Forwhatever reason.
(14:01):
God didn't.
And so what are the lessonsthat you think could be for that
kind of situation?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah and always be on the lookout for that, and I was
very aware of that goingthrough this process.
I think the thing that allowedme to be aware even in this
situation was the reason I gotin the natural medicine field in
the first place was my mom wasdiagnosed with breast cancer
when I was in junior high and Iremember her losing her hair and
going bald.
I remember her looking likeshe'd aged 20 years in two weeks
(14:28):
and just thinking there's gotto be a better way, and I want
to help people like my mom andlisten.
At that time I never would havethought and my mom would have
never said I'm grateful I hadcancer.
But my mom, who's in herseventies now, will tell you I'm
grateful I had cancer.
Actually, I was surprised shesaid I was watching her talk to
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somebody and she said that onceand I thought, wow.
She said you know what?
I'm more grateful for my lifebecause I went through that.
She said it taught me to numbermy days.
I am so much more aware andbetter at prioritizing and doing
the things that matter and andso I think that seeing my mom go
through that and the fact thatthat actually situation blessed
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our life and our family now nowallowed me that.
When I went through this myselfbeing able to say you know what?
I'm going to use this for good.
God uses all things for good,and so I'm going to learn about
longevity medicine, I'm going tokind of evaluate my life and
maybe reprioritize things, andso I absolutely see the good out
(15:32):
of this.
In fact, I've studied a lot ofregenerative and longevity
medicine through this and I'mgoing to write another book in
the future on that, and I havemy own podcast now, the Dr Josh
Axe Show, where I talk a lotabout mindset and a lot about
healing with longevity medicine,and so there have been so many
good things that have come aboutthrough this and listen.
(15:56):
It's hard when you're in themoment, but you want to do your
best to be grateful, praise Godand think about how you can use
this for good in the future,tell a story with this in order
to help others via yourexperience.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Are there areas with yourmindset that you still struggle
Like any of the 12 that you talkabout in your book?
Are there some that you're like100% this has gotten super easy
for me, and other ones whereyou're saying this one's still a
daily struggle.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, I'll say that, even if I struggle with some, I
definitely have gotten better atall of them.
But here's one, here's one.
So I I've had to kind ofrediscover my purpose.
I think I went from being verycertain of teaching people how
(16:52):
to use food as medicine theearly part of my career, and
that was like the biggest focusto, I think, now, I think, being
more aware of how important ourspiritual health is and how
that impacts our physical healthand also being aware of mindset
and sort of self-developmentand looking at those things and
also kind of right now,redefining and looking at okay,
I don't just want to help peoplegrow and improve physically, I
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want to help them growspiritually as well.
And so I don't know if that'sbeing not as good at.
I just think it's something Iam having to redefine myself
right now and think about how doI communicate and do those
things and reach more people inthat way.
So that's something I think I'mvery conscious with and maybe
(17:36):
that's a little bit if I'mthinking about a personal
struggle right now or somethingI'm working through and still
defining.
You know that's, that'sdefinitely on the list, I mean
there's.
You know that's, that'sdefinitely on the list.
I mean there's, you know there,there are there, there are
there.
There are numerous ones, butthat's, I think that's the
biggest right now.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
When you were going through the, the recovering from
the injury, I can imagine thatyour wife was probably having
her own beliefs that she maybehave been had, were struggling
with during that time, like ishe going to get better?
What does this mean for ourfuture?
What does this mean for ourfamily?
She probably took on a lot ofstuff because she was the only
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one, like, capable of around thehouse.
What did that, what did thatlook like for your marriage and
for your relationship?
And how, how did her limitingbeliefs change and grow
throughout that time?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
My, my wife surprised me going through this.
I actually thought she would bea little bit more rattled than
she was now.
Maybe at times when I didn'tsee it, she had her moments.
But she had told me, because Iasked her, that once we were a
few you know, we were monthsinto this I said, how are you
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doing?
And she had told me.
She said you know what I prayedabout this and God told me he's
got you and that was kind of it.
It was really like you know, uh,I'm a little moved even
thinking about it because, like,my wife is very spiritually
(19:16):
discerning and very, I mean I Ireally just admire and and and
sort of just you know, sometimesin all just her amazing
relationship with God.
I mean she has such an intimaterelationship and so, like that
was incredibly encouraging to mehaving her just say I mean that
was like a 10 secondconversation, it was really
(19:37):
short, but it was something thatreally, I think, touched me and
made me give me a greater levelof confidence in her hearing
from God on that and having thatconfidence in that.
And then we're also veryblessed of amazing family.
My father-in-law and mymother-in-law cared for me
through a good part of this.
My parents came down and livedwith us for three months during
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this process, and so our parentswere so incredible.
And this is where, for peoplethat don't have community one of
the chapters in the book Ireally go through how to build
an amazing community, a dreamteam, how to build an amazing
family life, how to build agreat life and community of
friends around you and I was soblessed that time to have our
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parents, to have our siblings,to have some very close friends
that were there for us in anincredible way, and people that
don't have that.
I almost don't know how theywould do it.
I mean, it would be a realstruggle because I wasn't able
to do anything.
I wasn't able to prepare my ownmeals.
So it was, you know, like wehad this little ritual in the
(20:39):
morning where, like my daughtershe was two and a half at the
time and she would like me acouple of supplements that
Chelsea would have her puttogether for her, and it became
kind of like a family affair tohelp me heal.
But I'm sure Chelsea's faithwas tested Absolutely.
But I think that we sort offelt this sense of calm and just
(21:02):
great faith in knowing that youknow God is good.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I love that.
That's so powerful.
You mentioned that you're.
I don't know if you said yourviews have changed, but maybe
it's like your focus is changinga bit more to where it's the
spiritual health that'simpacting the physical health.
That's how you're, that's howyou're seeing things.
How does spiritual healthimpact physical, impacting the
physical health?
That's how you're, that's howyou're seeing things.
How does spiritual healthimpact physical?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
health.
Yeah Well, I think that it'sthe single biggest factor that
impacts our physical health.
I think that our spiritualhealth is more impactful than
our, than our diet or the amountof exercise we do.
Um, when you know, um, when youlook at how and I want to kind
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of tie in emotions here, becausemost of the time when somebody
is lacking faith or virtue,what's happening is creeping in
is these vices and that leads tonegative emotions.
Okay, and so different emotionsreally impact our physical
health and that tends to be tiedto a lack of spiritual health.
(22:12):
So, for instance, we know viamedical studies that if you're
living in a state of fear thataffects your adrenal glands,
your adrenal glands startpumping out more adrenaline and
cortisol.
Your body gets in a fight orflight state.
We know that ages you.
It's connected to every singledisease you can think of.
So we know, by having too muchfear, because maybe you don't
have enough faith, that greatlyimpacts your health and that
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organ system of yourreproductive organs and adrenals
.
Now, in a very similar way,worry impacts our health.
Worry impacts our digestivesystem.
I've had many patients andpeople I've known over the years
.
Their stomach will start toache or get digestive issues if
they overworry.
I mean, I've had patients withinflammatory bowel disease and
what will bother their stomachor their intestines just as much
(22:56):
as eating gluten or ice creamis if they're going through
relationship stress or worryingabout something.
So we know worry impacts thatsystem.
And we know God says listen, Itake care of the lilies of the
fields and the birds of the air.
I'll take care of youlies ofthe fields and the birds of the
air, I'll take care of you.
So worry is a big one.
Anger, resentment, envy,unforgiveness those all affect
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the liver and lymphatic system.
Grief not being able to let goof your past and move forward
with the future.
Not forgiving others too.
That impacts your immune system.
And then we know this oneanxiety, nervousness.
What happens to your bloodpressure starts to rise?
That impacts your heart andcardiovascular system.
So all of these emotionalimbalances are tend to be caused
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from a lack of let's call itspiritual wellness.
Now, that's not to say thatit's not healthy and fine
sometimes for us to experiencesome of those things for a short
period of time, but when welive in this it's one thing okay
, I'm a little fearful now.
Okay, I'm checking with myfaith.
Okay, now I'm getting myselfout of it.
It's when you live in a stateof fear or worry or anxiety or
(24:04):
anger that it starts to createdisease inside of your body.
So spiritual health is evenmore important than nutrition
when it comes to your physicalhealth.
I mean, it's absolutely true,and 80% of doctor's visits are
stress-related, emotional stress.
So it's yeah, it's apparent, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I am really into health and wellness and the
longevity space and I followseveral different people who I
won't necessarily name, but oneof the I have felt very strongly
like one of the things lackingin a lot of the main voices out
there in kind of in that spacewith, like diet and exercise,
(24:51):
food, wellness, overall healthand longevity is God.
Like a lot of them don't haveany faith, um at all, and, and
so I feel like the informationis really good and helpful up to
a point, but everything thatyou're saying, like I believe
that there comes a point whereGod steps in in ways that
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medicine never could or thethings that we do with our
health ever could, like thethings that we eat, will only
take us so far.
How much we exercise and howhigh our VO2 max is and all of
these things, like all of thoseare fine and good, but also if
we're only training to have asuper long life on this earth
(25:35):
and not at all focusing onwhat's next, like that's a part
of this too, right.
So I love that you're in thisspace and you have a lot of this
research and education andpassion and background, but you
can come in and bring to it, butreally none of it matters if we
don't have Jesus and if wedon't know him and have a living
(25:58):
and real relationship with him,and how that relationship
impacts our faith and how thatimpacts our body and our
relationships.
I see that as such a need inthe space, so I'm so glad that
you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, thanks so much.
Well, you know, this has beensomething that you know I've
actually had sometimes struggledto find close relationships in
the space because historicallyit has been, there's been such a
strong influx of eithernon-spirituality or new age
(26:35):
spirituality.
And that's why I've got a fewreally good friends in this
space, like Jordan Rubin, drWill Cole and a few others that
I just greatly admire, becauseit is kind of rare.
And, to your point, I thinkthere are some biblical views of
this in terms of, like, youknow, it's like what good is
gaining the world, or even, Idon't know, gaining your health
(26:55):
and losing your soul.
You know, I think that wealways need to prioritize soul
and spirit and, again,relationship with God, becoming
more like Jesus.
It should be at the very topand that's actually what gives
our life purpose and meaning.
Purpose and meaning, if yourgreatest purpose is just to feel
good and be healthy, I mean,listen, that's better than
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nothing, but it's not near theepitome of what we're called to
do in our life, and that's whatyou know.
One thing I notice about somepeople, I think, in the space,
is there's maybe a lack of joyor a sense of joy about them,
and I think that, again, for me,there's a real sense of like,
of a calling, of what I'm doinghas eternal significance.
What you do has eternalsignificance, and so, you know,
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I'm always very aware that youknow, like you know, one thing I
did in my practice is alwaysprayed for patients.
I mean constantly.
And and you know I had somebodyasked me this once.
They said, hey, are you worriedabout losing patients or being
less popular because you're sooutspoken about your faith?
(27:59):
And I just said no, like Idon't, you know for me, if I am
less popular because I share myfaith, that's okay.
Like I'm not, I'm not doingthis to gain a billion followers
.
That's not my goal.
My goal is to impact people aspositively as possible, lead
people to Christ and help peopleheal, use the gifts God's given
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me to help people get ashealthy as possible.
So I think so much of this isabout our mindset or reframing
what success is.
Reframing what success is?
I think a lot of us have beensort of polluted over time to
believe that success is having acertain size house, making a
certain amount of money, havinga certain amount of followers,
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where the reality is no, likethe Bible and I get in this in
chapter two but the Bible nevertells us success is achieving
something.
The Bible tells us success isbecoming like someone.
And so for me, one practice Ihave now is I don't just have a
to-do list, I have a to-be list.
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If I get something done todaybut I berate a customer service
rep or something while I'm doingit and make them feel bad about
themselves, even though I mightget it done, I absolutely
failed.
And so I think, having abecoming list and realizing I
want to be more generous, I wantto be more loving, I want to be
more compassionate.
Success is not what weaccomplish, it's who we become,
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and I think the more that we canhave that in our sights and be
aware of that, the more of animpact we'll actually have.
Because I think the more thatyou become a high character
individual, the greater thingsthat will flow from you.
You'll have moreaccomplishments, because you in
the right type ofaccomplishments that aren't for
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evil, that are for good when youbecome a certain type of person
.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How might someone go about starting a become list and
how do you like track yourselfon it?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So so here, here's what I Iwould do, uh, or do.
Um, I first think about who doI want to become like, okay,
I've got Christ.
And then who are other peoplethat reflect certain natures of
Christ or maybe also inalignment with the gifts that I
have, an impact I want to have.
So I think about my grandfather.
(30:21):
I think about who's amazingChristian man died at 96 years
old this is a few years ago.
I mean, he was such an amazingperson.
I think about you know, I thinkabout people, people that I
really respect, like JohnMaxwell.
I think about my businesspartner, Jordan Rubin.
I think about my father-in-law,who passed away last year, Joel
.
I think about other people inthe space that have a big maybe,
(30:43):
you know.
I think about, like I respectBill Johnson a lot, Craig
Groeschel a lot, certain otherauthors.
So there are people and I thinkabout those people and I think,
okay, what is it that they have?
That virtue that I want toidentify with?
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And one of the things I noticedabout my grandfather was he was
so generous, I mean, he gavemoney away to where he had
almost nothing, and I thought Iwant to be like that and I look
at someone like my dad, who'sincredibly disciplined, and I
thought I want to be known tohave that level of discipline.
I look at John Maxwell andleadership, and I think I love
that, and so I look at thesedifferent characteristics.
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I'll write down my top 10 that Iwant to be known for and then
I'll think about okay, what aresome I premeditate?
Okay, what are some ways inwhich I can be more generous in
the future?
Okay, when I go out to eat withsomebody, I'm going to always
pay, Especially if it's somebodyyoung and has less than me.
If somebody is young and hasless than me, I will always pay
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for their meal, and if anybody'sever been around me, they'll
see that, because I just that issomething.
If I want to, I have to knowhow to do that in a practical
way.
So that's one way.
Chelsea and I always committedto giving at least 10%.
So as soon as our money comesin, before we do anything else,
it goes right back to our churchor ministry, and so I wanted to
be generous, and so I wrotedown practical things I can
(32:08):
start to do, where I'm alwayslooking how can I pay for this
or cover for somebody that isless fortunate than I am in a
situation.
Leadership it's like, okay, well, how do I develop as a leader?
Well, one of the things I'velearned over the years
leadership is really two thingsit's your ability to challenge
others it's really in line withthe masculine and your ability
to nurture others with love it'smore in line with the feminine.
(32:30):
So how do I do both thosethings?
I'm going to challenge peopleand call them to something
higher, but also encourage themand nurture them and help them
grow.
And then, over time, I readbooks on that, I listen to
podcasts on that and I implementdoing that On our monthly calls
.
We have a segment where werecognize everybody who is
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standing out in the companyshowing great leadership
qualities.
But yeah, I think you just getpractical with it.
You write down what are the 10things you want to be known for,
highlight the top three atleast, and then write down
practical ways you can grow andactually live out those top
three.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I love that.
I know that my audience lovesthe practical, like give me
something to take away and doand to see some success and
results with, and so this is agreat one of our conversation so
far and other things that we'vetalked about as well.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And let me mention this too, kim, because I think
you'll like this too.
I read a John Maxwell bookyears ago called Today Matters,
and in the book he tells you tocreate character.
He doesn't tell you to do it.
He said he did it himself.
They're called character cardsand I started doing this, where
I would write down what arethose character qualities I want
to grow.
And I took those top 10 and Iwould write down a couple of
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Bible verses, a question and anaction or actions I was going to
take in order to embody that.
And I laminated these cards andI carry them around in my
pocket.
I still have them today.
I made these back in 2005, like20 years ago, and this is
something I've implemented withthe men's group I'm connected
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with as well.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I love that.
What is your favorite Bibleverse or Bible story?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh goodness, you know I love 2 Corinthians, 10, 31,.
Whether you eat, drink orwhatever you do, do it all for
the glory of God.
You know, recently I memorized2 Corinthians 13, and I don't
remember the exact verse.
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But love is patient, love iskind, it does not envy, it does
not boast, it is not arrogant orrude, it does not insist on its
own way, it is not irritable orresentful, it doesn't rejoice
in wrongdoing but rejoices inthe truth.
Love bears all things, believesall things, hopes all things,
endures all things.
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Love never fails.
That's another one justrecently.
That's really sat with me andwhen I was going through my
healing crisis, there was aPsalms I really meditated on
quite frequently and actually Ispent a lot of time in the
Psalms and anyway, I could keepquoting Bible verses.
(35:17):
But, all that being said, thereare quite a few that I meditate
on regularly and in terms ofstories in the Bible, I mean
part of this might have to dowith that.
I think I really resonate withUm, but my mom always, my mom
would always tell me this and itwas really meaningful to me.
(35:38):
She said I named you a Joshuaso you could be a Joshua and I
and I love sort of thetransition where Joshua sort of
picks up where Moses starts offand God is saying to Joshua, I
think it's like seven to 10times, he's like you know, do
not be fearful, be strong andcourageous, for I'm with you
wherever you go, whatever you do, you know.
And so I think I mean I love, Ilove the story of Joshua, Um, I
(36:01):
love the story of Abraham, Um,um, and yeah, I love, anyways, I
love just stories of faithwhere people just had great
faith in certain moments when itseemed like it just didn't make
sense, Like Joshua on the wallof Jericho, like marching around
it seven times that does notmake any logical sense, but
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feeling God was leading him todo it.
He did it and a miracle occurred.
And so, yeah, those are a few.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I love those.
I'm interested to know.
When you first became a doctorand it stemming from watching
your mom go through breastcancer you wanted to do
something to help people, so youwent into this industry and it
ended up like did you start init thinking one day you'd write
(36:51):
several books that you wouldhave a protein based company
with like?
Was that the plan?
And if not, how did it morph?
How did you just leave?
How did it?
How did you get to where youare now?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, let me first off saying I didn't even think
I'd become a doctor.
Like when I was a freshman inhigh school, I had a teacher ask
me to stay after class.
Her name was Ms Noble and Istood after her and she said
Josh, what do you want to bewhen you grow up, or no?
She said what do you want to doafter high school?
And I said I want to be adoctor.
And the reason is the yearbefore my mom went through
breast cancer and I decided inmy mind I wanted to be a doctor.
(37:28):
She laughed out loud and shesaid Josh, listen, with your GPA
you'd never get into med school.
She said you just got an F onthis paper.
You're getting a D minus in myclass.
I'd pick a different career.
And then two weeks later my mombrought me to see a medical
doctor who diagnosed me withADHD and I remember him saying
(37:50):
your son has a learningdisability.
And then I thought to myselfnot only am I getting bad grades
, actually there's somethingwrong with me, I have a
disability in learning.
And so I really stopped trying.
In school I graduated withalmost a 2.0 GPA really bad and
I wasn't able to get into mostcolleges.
But one college sent me aletter and they said we've got a
(38:11):
new program, first time doingthis.
You're not in, but if you comeand take summer school class and
you average above a 3.0, we'lllet you in.
And I thought, okay.
So I went to this school and itwas University of Kentucky and
I'm from Ohio, and I went there.
I took summer school class andthe first class I had to take
was English 101.
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And the first big assignmentwas a paper and I really tried.
I'm like I'm going to try, I'mgoing to do this paper.
I turned it in and then theteacher her name was Ms Williams
she said not kidding you.
Three days later she said Josh,can you stay after class?
And my heart sank.
I thought, oh no.
And she said Josh, what's yourmajor?
And I said I haven't chosen oneyet.
And she said well, I think youshould consider being an English
(38:54):
major, journalism major,because you got the highest
grade in the class.
I think you're a really giftedwriter.
Great job.
And like my whole world changed.
I went from having noself-esteem, thinking I couldn't
do this, to having one teachertell me you're a great writer,
you can do this.
And then I averaged above 3.0in undergrad and throughout
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getting my chiropractic degreeand my doctor of natural
medicine degree.
And then I went on to muchlater Actually this is just a
few years ago went to JohnsHopkins and I averaged nearly a
4.0 there and, yeah, then becamea doctor, started a supplement
company.
The reason I bring all that upis I thought I had a point in my
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life where I thought I wasn'tgoing to do anything.
I mean my parents were thinkinghe's probably not going to even
graduate high school and allglory to God.
One thing I just want people totake away from that is that,
like, our words are so powerful.
I mean there are people stilltoday who have had a parent or a
teacher or a pastor or a coachsay something negative to them
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or a schoolmate in high schoolor elementary school, and
they're still living with thattoday and they have not tried to
go out and take that risk or dothat thing in their life
because somebody said somethingnegative and they believe that
over, maybe the voice of God orover, or maybe they haven't had
anybody speak life into them.
(40:21):
But I am very conscious of thepower of my words and I'm always
trying to put my arms onpeople's shoulder, look them in
the eye and say you're good atthis.
I believe you can do this,because when somebody did that
for me, it altered my entiredestiny and trajectory of my
life.
And so, to answer your question,no, I didn't think I would
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write a New York Timesbestselling book.
No, I didn't think I wouldbecome a doctor or start a
supplement company or do any ofit.
I think, over time is I decidedto step out in faith, even
though I thought, well, gosh, Idon't know, I don't think I'm
capable or can do this.
I took a step of faith becauseI felt like I'm called to give
it my all and use my gifts forgood, and as I've continued to
(41:03):
do that, I feel like God hascontinued to open up my vision
and my eyes more and more andmore over time.
And so I would just encouragepeople to get around encouraging
people, get around the rightmentors and people.
Pursue those relationships andlisten to what God has put on
your heart and go after it, andI think he'll continue to open
(41:26):
up your vision for the futurebut also allow you to do more
than maybe you thought you could.
Yeah, so that's so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's not as you were talking.
I was just thinking it's notjust about our limiting beliefs
about ourselves, but ourlimiting beliefs about others
that we may have and how we dothat differently, like with our
kids, or with our spouse, orwith our coworkers or our
friends.
It's not just changing the waywe're talking about and thinking
of us, but even the way we'retalking to and thinking about
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those around us that we love,which is so powerful.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
There are four types of limiting beliefs People have
limiting beliefs aboutthemselves, limiting beliefs
about others.
Limiting beliefs about theworld, like oh, you know there's
only so much.
Like money doesn't grow ontrees there's an example one.
And then limiting beliefs aboutGod, and the most destructive
of all of them is limitingbeliefs about God.
(42:24):
If you believe God's an angryfather, if you believe he
doesn't intervene in your life,if you don't believe he heals
your prayers, if you don'tbelieve he cares, what that does
to your identity because you'rehis child, and to have a parent
that ignores their child anddoesn't listen and doesn't
intervene doesn't do anything.
That is very harmful to yourown sense of identity.
(42:46):
And so if people truly want tochange who they are, the fastest
thing they need to do is changetheir belief and become into
right understanding of who Godis and who that means you are in
relationship to him, and sothat's something I think I
really learned and became moreaware of as I wrote the book of
that.
That is such a critical factor.
I hit on this in one of thechapters on identity in the book
(43:06):
.
I think you know when I firstgot into my practice, kimberly,
the biggest medical conditions Isaw growing were cancer,
hypothyroidism, autoimmunedisease, diabetes, obesity.
Today it's mental health issuesand identity issues.
I mean it's gotten so bad.
Some kids actually thinkthey're cats.
(43:29):
I mean it's a little jokinghere, but not joking, I'm
serious Like it's gotten reallybad.
But that's just one example.
I mean there's so many peopletoday living with incredibly low
self-value, worth andself-esteem.
It's so low, and so being ableto tap into understanding who
your God is and who he createdyou to be is one of the most
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important beliefs that peoplecan start to build.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And you think that can help overcome the mental
health crisis?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh, I think it's the only thing that can help.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, I was when my husband and I were going
through our adoption processwith our kids.
This was like seven years agonow, but I just remember my
limiting belief about God atthat point in our life.
My life was he is not good, andso I was just overtaken with
(44:24):
fear and anxiety during thatwhole two-year process of just
like God's not going to do it,he's going to.
It's going to be like Abrahamwith Isaac, where he like ends
up asking him to just give it upand it's like a carrot.
It felt like God was dangling acarrot in front of me that I
that I was a hundred percentsure I was never going to get,
(44:47):
and so it was.
This terrible and like even justthinking of it now brings tears
to my eyes because it was solike a great tactic for Satan to
use is, for me, was I knew Godwas real.
He couldn't get me with that,but he totally got me with.
But he's not good.
And man did God show up andshow out and just like
(45:11):
completely show that he was goodand is good, and I feel like
that's the one I always go backto is like a stacked stone in my
life of like God is good and Ihave evidence that I look at
every day with my kids of howhe's good.
But it's those things like howwe think about God 100% impacts
(45:32):
how we think about ourselves,how we think about the world
around us, how we think aboutothers, our fear, our anxiety,
our anger, our grief, all thosethings you were talking about
earlier.
I think that's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know, one of the hardest things for people, I
think, is that we often tie ourparents, that we often tie our
parents, and even more so ourfather, to who God is, and I
think that's the and for me.
I was very blessed to have agrandfather and a father and a
(46:04):
mom who were so incredible andnot perfect, but really great,
and I think that that makes itan easier bridge to understand
who God is, and I think forthose that don't have that it's
a little harder, but it'sdefinitely not impossible and
you want to be able to go andrecognize that God isn't like
your dad was.
He's infinitely better, and soI think that's important for
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people to recognize and go outand search for.
There's a great book I read byPhilip Yancey and it was called
the Jesus I Never Knew.
I think that was a book I readand I thought, wow, it was
really impactful for me at thetime and I want to say it was
college, because when I readthat book I thought, wow, that's
just, it allowed me to betterknow the character of God and
(46:52):
who he is, and I think the morewe can read books about who God
is, his character and inrelation to us.
Those are powerful.
There's another book by DaleMast called In David Perceived
he Was King.
That's a great book on identity, but those would be a couple
I'd suggest people go and read.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Hmm, great book on identity, but those would be a
couple.
I'd suggest people go and readthis podcast.
We talk a lot about the fourdifferent areas of working on
yourself to become your bestself.
So we talk about physical,intellectual, emotional and
spiritual areas of our lives.
Of those four, what would yousay are some of the ways that
(47:31):
you work on?
We call it working on your pies.
What are some of the ways thatyou are working on your pies
that have served you well andhelped you to feel and be the
best that you can?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
You know, I think there's one word that I think
becomes very important for allof those pies and that is
awareness.
You know, when I am living inthe presence and I'm very aware
God is with me he is with meright now and I'm maintaining a
communal conversation there thatawareness is key.
(48:07):
When I look at people I mostrespect spiritually and
emotionally, they're very hardto rattle and we'll all notice
this.
If you know certain pastors,priests, rabbis, monks that have
a serenity to them and they cansit there and look into you and
listen to you without judgmentand what they're doing is
(48:28):
they're operating with a highlevel of awareness.
It's actually a form ofemotional intelligence, of being
aware of the spiritual, of thepsychological, of the things
going on.
So there's an awareness thattakes place.
I think the same thing is truephysically.
The people that I think I seereach the highest level of
health.
They have the greatestawareness of truth around
physical health.
They have the greatestawareness of truth around
(48:50):
physical health.
Like I know, when I eat this,it'll affect my body.
This way, I know that I need toback off now and take some time
off and not overwork Like Ineed to have awareness around
that.
So I think awareness is areally key element that most
people maybe need More.
People need to cultivate, andit leads to more spiritual,
(49:11):
mental, emotional and even, youknow, just maturity across the
board.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, I'm thinking about all of the times maybe not
all, probably all all of thetimes that I am not aware of my
own body's cues, like especiallyaround hunger.
Those are the times where, if Ilike, if I'm hungry but I just
don't eat, or I'm like cravingsomething but it's really not
good for me, like ice cream orsomething, and when I give into
that, how much worse I feelbecause I wasn't aware, like
(49:43):
maybe I just needed moreelectrolytes or just hydration
in general, or maybe I needed toeat some protein and vegetables
, right, Like.
You probably see that a lotwith people in the in the
nutrition space of it, wherethey're just unaware of their
own body's cues and what theirbodies need.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Absolutely yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, what would be your final advice to our
listeners of what they can do,one of the best things that they
can begin doing right now, assoon as this podcast ends, to
help to have a better mindsetand a better future?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I would say one thing I'd encourage people to do is
write down what your top threelimiting beliefs are.
What are they?
What are your limiting beliefsare?
What are they?
What are your limiting beliefsabout yourself?
What are your limiting beliefsabout God, about others?
So write those down.
What those limiting?
It could be one, it could befive, but write down at least
three.
And then I want you to do anexercise where you then go and
(50:45):
say okay, when did it start?
Was it a teacher?
Was it when you were in fifthgrade?
When did this belief start thatyou know is limiting you?
Okay, and then go and writedown what exactly is it you
believe?
Okay, and that's actuallycalled the ABCDE method.
A is activate the memory.
(51:07):
When did it start?
B is write down exactly whatyou believe.
C is write down.
The consequences is if youcontinue to believe that Like,
for instance, me saying I wasn'tsmart, that's what I thought
when I was in high school If Icontinue to believe that I'm not
even going to apply to JohnHopkins, I'm not even going to
write the.
You know, I'm not going to doany of that.
So what are the consequences?
(51:27):
D is now dispute it.
Why is that not true?
Why is it a lie?
And E is exchange it for whatyou need to believe instead, and
then go and focus on readingand listening to and doing the
things in order to overcome thatbelief.
Now Take the actions in orderto prove it wrong.
Okay, so that's.
(51:50):
The first thing is overcomingthose limiting beliefs and the
other thing is write down thatbecoming list.
Who do you want to become?
Who are the people you need tofollow, listen to be discipled
by or mentored from, whetherit's at a distance or in person
ideally a little bit of both inorder to grow and experience
that breakthrough.
And I think if you can focus onthose beliefs and becoming,
(52:11):
you'll just be shocked and blownaway by what can start to
happen in your life.
And I want to encourage peopleto get the book.
The book I wrote on this iscalled Think this, not that, and
I go into this in a lot moredeep detail on it.
It hit a New York Timesbestseller list.
You can buy it in bookstoresnationwide.
We've had such a good receptionof people saying that it really
is a.
You know a lot of the books outthere that are about growth and
(52:33):
self-help.
They don't have this Christianfaith lens, and so I think
there's a lot of self-help,becomes all about helping
yourself, and that's not verysignificant or meaningful Um and
so.
So I think this book has areally good foundation for it,
and so I think people reallyenjoy it.
But yeah, kim, I appreciate youhaving me on.
(52:54):
This is a joy.
I love discussing these thingsbecause this is my biggest.
You know the passion of myheart talking about these things
.
I talk about this sometimesalong with a lot of health
topics on my podcast, the DrJosh Axe Show, which I'd love
for people to check out here tooin the future.
But this was fun, greatquestions and thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Oh, thank you so much , Dr Axe.
We're going to put the links toget your new book Think this,
Not that, and it's one ofseveral that you have, but
people can find out more aboutyou and all of the links that
we'll put there, especially toyour book and to your show, the
Dr Axe Show.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for what you do.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Thank you.
There were so many greattakeaways from this episode and
at the end, of course, I askedDr Axe what his top three were
and, as a recap, he went throughthe ABCDE method.
So really recalling thelimiting belief that you have
about yourself what is it, wheredid it come from?
Activate that in your mind andthen going through the process
(53:55):
of disputing that belief,exchanging it with a new belief.
I think that's a reallypowerful thing that you can do,
as well as going through andcreating that list of who do you
want to become.
One of my favorite parts of theepisode and I wrote it down as
a quote was the Bible doesn'ttell us that success is
achieving something, but it'sabout becoming someone, becoming
(54:18):
more like Christ.
What are the areas in your lifethat you want to become a
better person, want to becomemore Christ-like?
Think of the people I know.
One of the first people Ithought of was my mom.
Oh, my mom is the best.
How can I?
What are the aspects of herthat I just love and admire?
(54:40):
Her hospitality for one, herjust unconditional love.
My mom and I got into a fight acouple of weeks ago and within
10 minutes she was at my door.
I had told her not to come over.
At the end of it I was like no,I just need some space right
now.
She came over anyway, but itwasn't to like continue or to
(55:02):
try and get her way, or to tryand get me to see things her way
.
She said I just want to sitwith you.
I was like mom, I'm in themiddle of work.
She said it's fine, I'm justgoing to sit here next to you
and not say anything, becauseshe knew I was overwhelmed, I
was mad about other stuff.
But she just came and sat withme.
The ministry of presence was.
(55:24):
I have never felt it like that.
She just sat in the middle ofme being angry, in the middle of
me crying, in the middle of mebeing upset.
She just sat there and was justpresent and at the end she just
gave me a big hug, told me howmuch she loved me and then she
left.
She didn't try and guilt me ormanipulate me.
My mom is the absolute best.
(55:46):
But it's moments like that whereI think, man like I want to be
more like that.
When someone doesn't agree withme, how can I just go and sit
with them so that they know howmuch I love them and how much I
care about them, and not tryingto change them Like that is what
I want to be more of.
What is it for you?
Write down, that become list.
(56:07):
You Write down, that becomelist.
And then, finally, my thirdtakeaway is the importance of
hope and faith and how.
Those are the things that giveyou the best outcomes.
What should I think about thatis most likely to restore my
health, my marriage, my future,my mindset, my relationship with
(56:27):
my kids, whatever that is, foryou, likely.
What you're currently thinkingabout is keeping you stuck.
I know this because I emailedseveral clients at Marriage
Helper yesterday and I said whatis keeping you from doing this
next thing, moving forward andsaving your marriage?
And the majority of responsesthat I personally received were
(56:49):
people who said I just don'tbelieve that change can happen.
That's a mindset.
How can you begin to changeyour mindset?
What should you think about thatis most likely to restore your
marriage?
It's not the excuses, it's thehope and the future.
So then, how can you see apicture of the future?
(57:10):
That's what hope is being ableto see a vision of the future,
experience the emotions of whatit will be like when that
happens, and then creating aplan to get there.
Hope is a vision.
With a plan, there is always,always hope, no matter what your
circumstance or your situationis, but it takes believing that
(57:31):
the future can be different andseeing the plan to get there.
I love that part of it.
I hope you enjoyed this episode.
Share it with a friend.
It's the best way to help thepodcast grow.
Also, I would love, love, loveif you would leave a review.
Just go to wherever you listento podcasts, especially on Apple
podcast.
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