September 9, 2025 • 52 mins
What if the way you walk, rest, or hydrate could shift your entire nervous system? In Part 2 of our chat with Dr Anthea Todd, we explore how to apply the Fundamentals Framework, offering practical, everyday ways to reconnect with your body’s wisdom.
We dive into what hair testing can reveal (including Sam and Kate’s own results), how minerals mirror stress, and why beliefs like 'resting is lazy' may be doing more harm than you think. You’ll also hear why morning sunlight matters, how hydration plays a bigger role than we realise, and why pleasure isn’t a reward, it’s essential.
If you’ve ever felt stuck between burnout and confusion, this episode is your permission to slow down, listen in, and support your body in a whole new way.
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Kate Coomber (00:00):
In this part two of the episode, we're about to
take a deep dive into theresults of a hair test so that
you can understand whether thisis right for you, and I have to
say our results were a littlebit shocking.
Anthea Todd (00:11):
Because the whole reason why your copper's high is
because your nervous system isburnt out and your body holds
onto copper Right, so you're notsucking on copper pipes?
I'm guessing no.
Sam Miklos (00:20):
Yeah, so what are the four fundamentals?
How does a hair test fit in andwhy is walking like a lioness
going to be better for us?
Stay tuned to find out more.
Kate Coomber (00:28):
Don't forget to hit follow and subscribe so you
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And if you want to see more ofbehind the scenes with this
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Instagram.
Anthea Todd (00:41):
You may even see Sam riding a skateboard.
Sam Miklos (00:48):
So we did the hair test?
Yes, you did, and I've got totell you when I got my results.
I've got off the charts copper,zinc, magnesium, calcium, iron,
titanium, nickel.
Is that normal for the firstone?
And also, what hope do I haveto get those back like?
Kate Coomber (01:08):
I feel like I need to be wheeled into an emergency
room and laid down like it wasa lot, and because it also then
talked to a little bit about, um, the where I had the little box
about what you might see thatmanifest as the tendencies graph
.
Yeah, yeah, and I was like areyou okay?
I mean, am I okay too?
Sam Miklos (01:23):
I certainly had, you know, calcium off the chart and
all yeah and I was like are youokay?
Kate Coomber (01:25):
I mean, am I okay too?
I certainly had, you know,calcium off the chart and all
these things.
I was like, why?
Sam Miklos (01:29):
and again from someone who wants to do well,
yeah, yeah it didn't feel greatand I didn't, and I wouldn't
have said.
I was like if you'd said whatwere the little whispers, I
probably would have been like toknow so then I was like, am I
so off.
Anthea Todd (01:43):
So what made you want to do the test?
Was it just because we werehaving this?
Sam Miklos (01:46):
no, I'm particularly interested in this sort of
medicine so I was like I'venever done anything like that
yeah, I do agree that yourbody's giving you the messages.
Kate Coomber (01:53):
I've always thought that and you've always
seen a naturopath yeah, I'vealways seen that, always and all
that.
So yeah, like we're trying toreally understand if we were
going to speak to you yeah, tounderstand what this is about.
Sam Miklos (02:02):
Yeah, because definitely.
Kate Coomber (02:04):
When I read your book, I was like oh my gosh.
Yeah, I ran out.
I had to tell all the women inmy life, all of us in our 40s,
you know To say don't gostraight for the clitoris.
Oh my gosh.
Anthea Todd (02:14):
Mind blown.
You don't even have to read thewhole book, just read the first
page.
Kate Coomber (02:26):
That's the first bit right book you'll ever read.
Maybe have it to your husband.
Sam Miklos (02:27):
We're a bit of a certain age and we're all every
time we catch up Perimenopause,we're all talking about the same
stuff.
Kate Coomber (02:32):
I was like ladies, just shut the front door.
I've got a new concept.
It felt really validating.
Anthea Todd (02:39):
It felt Because you know, we all know that our body
actually isn't working againstus.
We know that it's helping us,but we just we're fed, like the
advertising industry, all thethings like there's something
wrong with you.
Kate Coomber (02:52):
buy this car and you'll be amazing.
But even I think you said whatyour body needs at 40 isn't
going to be what it needed at 20.
Sam Miklos (03:02):
But also the other thing that prompted me too was
at the beginning of the year.
I was like I took a full healthtest and I went and did like a
blood test, did all the things,and then she said I think you
have, is it?
Your white blood cells are abit low.
We'll just monitor it.
It could be an autoimmune thing.
Anthea Todd (03:21):
Come back in a couple of months and we'll to be
more going on, and there's somany that's lost in the space
between, and let's not wait forit to get worse.
Sam Miklos (03:26):
Yeah, fine.
Anthea Todd (03:26):
There's so many people that have that and you've
got the little whisper of likethat doesn't seem right.
Sam Miklos (03:30):
That doesn't seem right.
Kate Coomber (03:37):
But also like what do I do?
Sam Miklos (03:38):
Yeah, and then do I wait and get leuke straight for
the glitter, it's got to gostraight for the leukemia, okay.
Anthea Todd (03:43):
But, yeah, that is why.
But then we got it A newfunction needs a little bit of
support.
Sam Miklos (03:47):
That's it, maybe don't go straight for leukemia.
Yes, but then we got this backand then we were like, are we
going to be like, how do we getout of this?
Is this normal when?
Kate Coomber (03:59):
do you?
Sam Miklos (03:59):
start when you get these hair tests.
Anthea Todd (04:01):
Yeah, so this is where we just go one fundamental
at a time.
So like, for instance, what Iwas saying before, how it's like
, well, we don't get.
It's not like on the testresult, you get a this is your
estrogen level, this is yourtestosterone level.
And there are definitely placesfor that, like if you're going
through that perimenopausal,menopausal phase and you're
experiencing different symptoms.
Yet we want to also test them.
(04:25):
That's why the framework isn'tjust it's just medical or it's
just functional or it's justenergetic.
We have to look at all of itand go like, okay, for me right
now, with my symptoms, if I putthem through that framework,
what's the thing that I need?
Because, ultimately, when youdo get that trust and connection
with your body and you hear itmore and more and it becomes
stronger and stronger, you'llknow what your body needs in the
moment and those little changesthat you're doing with your
(04:47):
behaviour actually have knock-oneffects for your functional
health.
So, for instance, like on thesecond page straight away, your
nervous system fundamental needssupport.
Sam, I don't know whether Iwant to out you on the podcast?
Sam Miklos (05:00):
That is not.
I don't think there is a singleperson that will listen to this
that would disagree with you.
That is not.
I don't think there is a singleperson that will listen to this
that would disagree,considering we're like type a
personality.
Anthea Todd (05:06):
We've got all these like your mind's constantly
going going, going yeah which,like, if you're able to do that
and you don't have any knock-oneffects with any of your health,
absolutely go wild like what'swhat's the problem, right?
So this is where that commonand normal.
I see lots of people go like,oh, but like is it actually
normal or what's common?
And like what do I, how do Iknow?
(05:28):
Like, should I?
And then you can become sopedantic with going like I have
a little bit of dry skin in myeyebrow and then I've got this
little thing.
Like that means this that meansthis.
So it's going coming back to andthat's the energetic layer,
which can get into a secondwhere you have ultimate trust
that your body is looking outfor you and it's helping you,
and to listen to the evensmaller whispers, which is the
energetics.
Kate Coomber (05:48):
But yeah, we can see here.
It's like some days you'revibrating.
Sam Miklos (05:50):
Sometimes I'm like this I mean both of us Like two
coffees will just throw me overthe edge.
I'm just like meh yeah youradrenals, which does suffocate
some of you.
Ad and energy yeah, they justneed to calm down.
Anthea Todd (06:02):
Your body is literally saying to you slow
down from this.
That's like the overall picture, Right.
Sam Miklos (06:08):
And can you recover your?
Anthea Todd (06:10):
nervous system, absolutely so.
I'm saying this also because Ican out myself, too, my results.
My first results were very muchsimilar to yours as well.
And I was like and I'm notstressed, I don't know what
you're talking about Like, yeah,I tried to move overseas and
live in London, which I foundout you both did too, yeah, we
did and COVID hit, and then Ihad to come back and then there
(06:30):
was this whole personal lifechange and career change and I
was moving and I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'll study two
masters, that's okay, easy.
And it's the same, like withwriting my book.
I was like no, I'm not stressed.
My body was screaming at me, Ihad blood-filled cystic acne, I
(06:51):
had all these different.
I was exhausted, but I was likeno, but I love what I'm doing.
The body was literallyscreaming at me.
And now, if you ask me now,like, oh, yeah, I was really
stressed, but I didn't think itat the time.
Yeah, so that's the hard thing.
Sam Miklos (07:03):
Like when you're in the weeds, and also to what you
just said resonated because Iwas like I love what.
I do, that's what I was gonnasay so, it's great like yeah,
but I and this is where it'salmost what do you do?
Kate Coomber (07:15):
because sometimes people just say, well, you need
to cut back, you know.
Because I feel that, like Ilove the work that we do, I love
my family it's super busy loveall the activities.
Kids are thriving.
Sounds like we'll just do less.
Anthea Todd (07:31):
It's like that's not maybe it's not doing less,
it's doing it different yeah,because you can't if you and
doing it different, maybe thatthere is some things where
you're like I was giving timeand attention and thought to
that and I'm not going toanymore.
But one of the big things forme, like my nervous system
fundamental was like screamingon my first test and I just saw
(07:53):
the copper and I saw lots ofother things.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tosupport all these other things,
I'm going to take all thesupplements, do all the things,
retest three months later, oh,okay, oh, my copper's come way
down.
That's amazing because it wasreally high.
That was the main thing.
But my liver function got worsebecause I was doing it way too
fast.
I wasn't caring for my body Atthe same time.
Sam Miklos (08:10):
I was like let's get rid of this.
Let's get it out.
This is really bad.
This is the problem.
You're just like a whack-a-molethen.
Anthea Todd (08:21):
This, this with your body.
It's trying to help you.
And then, after the third test,I go oh right, it was my
nervous system the whole timebecause the whole reason why
your copper's high is becauseyour nervous system is burnt out
and your body holds on tocopper right so that you're not
sucking on copper pipes?
Sam Miklos (08:40):
I'm guessing no yeah , I was like I need to check her
pipes or something at her house.
Someone's probably got taps.
Anthea Todd (08:47):
What you can actually look at is if you get
like the, you know the colour ofthe Statue of Liberty if you
get that around your pipes, thenit can be that there's more
copper because that's oxidisedcopper yeah.
So that is something that youcan look at, but the the vast
majority of time, particularlywith this combination of what
your nervous system fundamentalratios are doing, that's driving
it.
And I can personally attest.
Sam Miklos (09:08):
Yes, that's the pattern, that's it.
That happens no matter what Ido.
What about stress?
Yeah, mine definitely.
Yours is uncontrolled stress, Iliterally said prolonged,
uncontrolled stress.
Can you recover from?
Anthea Todd (09:23):
Yeah, but this is where we need to bring in.
Okay, what do we actually dofor that?
And like what do you do forstress, right?
Oh, people said yoga, or peoplesay meditation, or maybe I need
antidepressants, maybe I needto go get diagnosed for ADHD,
maybe I need to like.
What do you do Right, andparticularly when you feel?
Kate Coomber (09:41):
good.
Anthea Todd (09:41):
Yeah.
So this is where one of thethings that I have been doing
because I'm in a similar boat toyou guys and if anyone's
listening and they're like, yeah, yeah, I feel great.
But my nervous system is likethis I play around with the pace
of things and also my physicalbody, because that actually
rewires what part of your brainis driving things.
(10:02):
So what I mean by that isholding, I tell my patients is
pretend like you're a lioness.
So what?
How does a lioness move?
She's not darting around,talking really fast like we're
quite excited that is so funny.
Kate Coomber (10:18):
He's like, oh, like tell me right.
Sam Miklos (10:19):
and she walked in, which is like at cub, yeah right
, that's not a lioness.
I was like that's not normal.
Anthea Todd (10:28):
No, it is, I'm pretty excitable.
Right, we're like the Chihuahua, we are like Chihuahua yeah.
So this is where you actuallyjust play around with the pace
and it's the same thing and thisis what to be amazing.
(10:48):
But it's like, okay, if I'mrunning around the house trying
to cram everything in doing anemail, because I'm also really
excited about that, and likedoing all these things, that's
my body is noticing you don'thave enough time, so.
So there's not spaciousnesswhich is a threat to your body,
which triggers your nervoussystem.
So if we were to go, okay, I'mgoing to walk to lunch today,
(11:13):
but I'm going to walk like alioness would probably not on
all fours, but you get what Imean, right, and then you're
also going to talk like alioness does.
So you're not over explainingthings, you're just like no, I
know what I want and this is.
I'm just saying that.
You're not like, oh, yeah, butmaybe we could do this and we'll
figure out some things and oh,what?
Kate Coomber (11:31):
right, I think we're gonna need to break up but
even you think about you know,yeah, we're dragging our kids
around.
It's like get out the door,hurry.
Yeah, you know, like.
Anthea Todd (11:41):
So this is where the common and normal thing,
right, everyone's the same,everyone's like oh, we've got to
cram all the things in.
It's so exciting, we live allthis.
We have our life filled withall these amazing things that
we're doing.
We are very excitable.
Sam Miklos (11:51):
We also have like five different chats going.
I was just thinking about eventhat Like we chat on Instagram.
Anthea Todd (12:08):
We chat volume of all of the way we just, which is
what our nervous system isn'tused to.
So I just, that's the easiestthing and it's very I feel like
I can feel it.
So I'm like, okay, lioness, howwould she actually walk?
Like sometimes, okay, I'm gonnago for a walk on the beach and
I'm thinking I gotta be back bythis time and I'm gonna do this
and I'm walking really fast.
It's like, actually, how woulda lioness be walking?
And, oh my gosh, she's feelingthe feeling of the sun on her
(12:28):
skin and she's looking around,like at the horizon.
She's not like, oh, okay, I'mdoing this and I'm checking my
phone and I'm taking a photo andI'm doing all this stuff.
It's like, oh no, I'm actuallyjust walking, feeling being like
oh whoa.
And walking feeling being likeoh whoa and like what a lioness
does she?
Like she'll scan theenvironment like the horizon.
So if someone is listening tothis and you're not necessarily
(12:51):
feeling like you are, like youmight actually be feeling like
you're stressed, you canactually get into your body to
help your body out of thatrumination part of your brain.
So, literally just standingthere like a lioness and slowly
scanning the horizon with youreyes and turning your head.
That actually goes into thatpart of your brain to calm it
(13:11):
down and go.
You're in a big posture, You'rescanning the environment.
You're obviously not prey, Likethat part of your brain goes.
You must be the predator, sothere's nothing out here that's
going to harm you.
So it's giving signals to yourphysiology that you're safe, and
sometimes we have to.
We can do mantras, we can belike you're safe, everything's
fine, be where your feet are allthe different things and they
(13:33):
all can help.
But I found that this can bereally beneficial and a lot of
people love it.
Sam Miklos (13:39):
They're like yeah, I'm a lioness I like message me,
and it's great oh, there you go.
Kate Coomber (13:43):
I was just gonna say is that a society thing too?
Because I guess when we're inthese busy lives now, and if
you're in business and all thethings, you might see someone a
little bit slower and you knowwe've got to move quicker, and
almost slow equals lazy, or soyou know there might be those
external and this is where theenergetics layer comes in.
Anthea Todd (14:06):
So the energetics is often I think about.
Say, for instance, you have asymptom of fatigue when you're
listening with the energetics,it's going.
What is this symptom telling meabout my life?
So functional is.
What is the symptom telling meabout my body and what it needs?
And then it's like, okay,what's it telling me about my
body and what it needs?
And then it's like, okay,what's it telling me about my
life and all of that, so it cancome with your identity.
(14:28):
Like oh, I have this identity,that I'm not a lazy person.
Kate Coomber (14:31):
Yeah.
Anthea Todd (14:31):
What are you talking about?
I'm not lazy, I'll prove it toyou.
It's like no one was callingyou lazy, stop looking at me.
No one was calling you lazy,right, and you can go into past
traumas and how you were grownup and all those things which
can be helpful in the rightspace.
But also we can go, oh whoa.
Okay, I had this story, becausethese are stories that drive
(14:54):
everything.
I have this story that if I sitdown I'm lazy.
For instance, and you can putit, byron Katie is a.
She's an author, the Four TruthsI actually don't know whether
that's the title of her book,but the Four Truths is a process
she does and you just say isthat true?
And you go okay, I have thisbelief that if I sit down, I'm
(15:15):
lazy, is that true?
And you might be in your mindbeing like, absolutely, it is
Like, look at that person andyour brain just goes and
reinforces that and you go am Iabsolutely sure that that is
true?
And you go, actually, maybe Ido know other people that like
sit and rest and I don't thinkthey're lazy, oh, okay.
(15:35):
And then so you might go, oh,great.
And then you say how do I feelwhen I believe that thought,
when I rest I'm lazy, how do youfeel?
It doesn't make me feel thatgood, okay, but it mustn't be
true then.
And then you go okay, whatwould I feel if I flipped it?
So when I rest, I feel amazing.
(15:55):
Or when I rest, that actuallymoves me forward faster, or
whatever the change of beliefthat you want.
And then you go oh okay, thatfeels so much better.
And then, all of a sudden, allyour patterns and behaviors and
actions start to change.
And then it's like, oh whoa, mylevels on my functional test
(16:15):
changed, and it wasn't because Iwas taking supplements, it was
because I actually addressed theunderlying thing.
That was there.
And it's not that you're havingto necessarily give up big
things, yeah, it's that you'redoing it in a different way.
It's like when you are actuallyresting, you are resting
instead of going oh okay, I'vefinished everything.
I'm going to sit down on thecouch and watch this new series
with my hubby.
(16:36):
I'm going to do whatever we'vegot.
This time the kids are in bedand then you're sitting there
and you're watching it andyou're thinking, okay, I got
that, didn't make the school Igot.
Sam Miklos (16:42):
No, I'm like when you said that example I'm like.
I literally my husband says tome you cannot sit and put your
feet up and I'm like no becauseI sit there and I'm like, could
we do that?
Could we do that?
Anthea Todd (16:53):
And this is like wicked.
I love this stuff.
Sam Miklos (16:57):
We could be here for days.
We could turn this into a wholething.
You got my hair as well.
I was like but this is where,and this is.
Anthea Todd (17:03):
I'm saying this because I know this, I have been
there and I do still sort of gointo that.
But I'm so much more aware nowand I know like my whole thing
is like what actually is successor what is health to you,
because a lot of people like youneed to sort of like know where
that guidepost is, and that'swith the energetics.
You need to know where is yourintention set, like where's your
(17:23):
GPSps, because everything elsein your life is going to filter
to get you there.
So we need to know what is that?
So for me it's like well, yes,you can be successful and calm
and healthy and have fulfillmentin all other areas of your life
.
You don't have to get to successby rushing and always be doing
things.
So it's like okay, how can Iactually so?
(17:45):
Okay, now I'm going to changeall my behaviours.
And now, like a little thing,if you're someone that does sit
on the couch and your mind'slike school lunches, emails,
whatever, I literally imagine apicture of a phone charger
plugged in at the wall and it'sturned off at the wall, you know
like if you've ever gone to bedand you plug your phone in, you
(18:05):
plug your phone in and you wakeup in the morning and you go oh
it wasn't turned on at thewalls it didn't actually charge,
like that's.
I always think to myself.
I'm like that's what'shappening right now.
Kate Coomber (18:15):
Yeah.
Anthea Todd (18:21):
So then I go okay, well, how do I get out of that
part of my brain which is thestory part, the switch?
I haven't explained this fully,but basically there's a part of
your brain that's responsiblefor everything that's going on
in your body what's your bodytemperature, what's your insulin
levels, what's your iron levels, how does your body feel, all
the things.
So what I do is I go okay, howcan I get into my body right now
(18:42):
and how can I love pleasure?
Because a lot of the times whenwe're I have to do all these
things, we have this, notaversion to pleasure, but it's
almost like we have to earn ityes instead of going, the
pleasure could be.
Oh my gosh, I just love layingon this couch how comfortable,
is it?
I'm so glad we got this couchand you just like allow your
body to sink into it.
Then, all of a sudden, you'reout of it.
(19:02):
You've forgotten that, allthese emails and different
things you need to do, you'rejust like huh, and then you're
out of it.
You've forgotten that all theseemails and different things you
need to do.
Kate Coomber (19:06):
You're just like huh, and then you're in your
body.
We were talking about the joy,weren't we?
Sam Miklos (19:10):
Moments of joy.
Anthea Todd (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, so that's with nervous system.
It's like you have thedifferent I talk about in the
book with the traffic lights.
So green light, orange light,red light With the hair test.
You're both slow ones, sothat's more of like a red light
and it's not that you're stuckin it all the time and by all
means you guys are not likecatatonic freeze, like you're
not like that at all.
(19:32):
Um, so it's moving into it, butyour body's like okay, we just
need to slow you down to bringyou back into the green.
So a green light is like play,pleasure, curiosity, calm, joy,
spaciousness.
It's lioness, yeah, so we wantto be in that most of the time.
But we also want red and orangelights like driving on the road
.
Yeah, we need all of them.
Kate Coomber (19:53):
We need those as well, that's what's helped us
survive.
Anthea Todd (19:55):
We just don't want to stay stuck in the other ones?
Sam Miklos (19:57):
You know across all the tests that you do.
Is there one of the fourfundamentals that you see is
consistently the one that's theproblem, and is it different for
women and men?
Anthea Todd (20:13):
I would say probably the nervous system and
metabolism one are the mostcommon, I think, because of how
society is Society.
Now we're just on the busyness,the rushing, and also with
metabolism.
The main thing we look at isyour light environment.
So sunlight, yes, but alsoartificial light you can sort of
(20:35):
think of it as light isactually energy is how we get
energy.
Because what do we think?
What gives you energy, like asa baseline?
Food?
Right, we need food to give usenergy, but how does a plant
grow Out?
Sam Miklos (20:47):
in baseline food.
Right, we need food to give usenergy.
But how does a plant grow outin the sun, from sunlight.
Anthea Todd (20:49):
So it's stored energy that we're eating and
consuming to give us energy.
So we actually I want you tothink of your skin literally
like a solar panel, so you'reactually getting your cells are
getting energy and charge fromthe sun.
Does that mean that everyoneshould be in the sun all day,
every day, day?
Absolutely not.
Kate Coomber (21:06):
And this is the contradiction, then, of everyone
going no, but I've got to avoidthe sun because I'm going to
get skin cancer and it's youknow, and you suck it on the
sunscreen, but then that blocksout the vitamin D Chemicals.
And then, if you think aboutcountries, where they don't get
a lot of sun, and then they dohave, you know, seasonal
affective disorder, I guessbecause they're not getting well
.
Anthea Todd (21:23):
I think it's a bit like the sun's been around a bit
longer than all of us have.
It's probably a reason for itand it like we can see that it
grows, all of these things thatnourish us.
Yeah, right, so just even justthinking about it on a basic
level, like that, you're like,okay, well, I know the sun is
good and you know when you'vebeen sick or you've been inside
all day like what feels amazing,going outside, just being like,
(21:45):
oh, I'm in the sun they saythat when people are at the end
of life.
They often say that they justwant to sit out in the sun well,
there's so much research aboutpeople I actually was reading
I'm reading a book at the momentand he talks about.
There was this boy that wasthey couldn't do anything, he I
can't remember.
He had a rare cancer of somekind and they were like he's, he
(22:05):
was 17, like sorry, we can't doanything about it, he's just
gonna die.
We're gonna have to allow him toslowly die of these next couple
of days in hospital and he'slike I just want to go outside,
like he's, and they figured outeverything.
And then now it's been like 10years so and I'm not saying that
, just put everyone who's incritical care out in the sun,
but there are there's hospitalsnow that are doing that because
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they know the impacts of thatand you know the impacts of
nature, like what happens whenyou might go on a camping trip
with your family, yeah andthere's no reception, there's no
non-native emfs and all theseother electrical impulses that
are coming in and you just hearthe sound of the birds.
Kate Coomber (22:42):
You get the negative ions you get the sun
feet in the ground, we, so it is, it's like we know this stuff.
Anthea Todd (22:48):
Yeah, we know that nature is good for us, like I
don't know anyone that's goingto be.
Like nature is bad for you yeah, unless you're American and you
think everything in Australiais going to kill you, but I'm
guessing you don't have manyAmerican listeners, no, Not, not
yet.
Kate Coomber (23:02):
Howdy y'all.
Yeah, but you were talking thenabout sunscreens.
Sam Miklos (23:05):
Yes, and toxins, toxins and chemicals.
Kate Coomber (23:08):
And what are you seeing in a world of more toxins
?
You know you think aboutcosmetics, processed foods,
botox fillers, like all of that.
Sam Miklos (23:19):
But you also said in the book don't even get me
started on vaping.
I want to start you on vaping.
Because that, like, if I lookaround our office now, everyone,
everyone vapes, and even whatwould you say to those don't
vape you, why tell us?
Why tell us about it?
Oh my gosh, it's so.
I mean, don't tell us, it'sjust like it's.
Anthea Todd (23:37):
It's it's so interesting because I think
societally it's smoking is bad.
Vaping is like the healthyalternative, like as a
conceptual like oh, it'sperceived.
Sam Miklos (23:47):
Like, oh, it's okay.
Kate Coomber (23:47):
I'm only vaping yeah.
Anthea Todd (23:49):
And I can sort of do it inside Like people.
Kate Coomber (23:51):
I know I can smoke inside, but I can vape Vape in
the bathroom.
Anthea Todd (23:53):
I just came back from overseas in Europe and I
would say every second personwas vaping, really.
Kate Coomber (24:09):
So restaurants, I'll be like sneakily taking a
vape and it's like we've goneback in time where we is that
like vaping.
You could go to a restaurantyou go like do you want smoking
or?
Anthea Todd (24:12):
non-smoking.
Was it like that?
Or was it just everyone intogether vaping?
No, everyone.
Well, in europe they don't havethe whole.
Like you can't smoke and eat inthe same areas, which I'm so
glad we have that in australia.
Um, but yeah, you can thinkabout it like okay, well, why do
you want to vape?
What's it giving you?
What's the behavioral thingthat it's doing?
Often it's soothing or it canbecome habitual, like it's that
dopamine hit.
You could take it way back tonow.
(24:33):
I don't know the research ofthis, but we were talking about
it in my family of healthcarepractitioners.
We're like it's interesting,because what do you give a baby
when it wants to be soothed?
A dummy.
So it's a sucking reflex, right, sucking right.
So that sucking reflex is goinginto that part of your
brainstem that soothes.
So it's going back to againwhat is going on with people
(24:53):
Like how can we help people on adeeper level?
But from a functionalstandpoint, what vaping does?
It's chemicals, like.
If it, okay, it's agrape-flavored thing.
It's amazing, it tastesdelicious.
Is a grape-flavoredoured thing?
It's amazing, it tastesdelicious.
Is a grape-flavoured Fanta?
Good for you, yeah, what's thething that's giving it grape
flavour?
What is that chemical Like?
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It's a chemical.
If it was mortine-flavoured,like fly spray, you'd be like
absolutely not, I'm not inhalingthat.
It's a different taste, butit's still made of these
chemicals that are artificialand our body doesn't know how to
recognise.
Not to mention it has a heatedelement that is made of metal.
What are we seeing on thesetests?
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of a lot of people A lot ofheavy metals.
Like where are you gettingthese heavy metals?
You don't work in mines, you'renot working with asphalt,
you're not on farms with spraysand all these different areas.
Sam Miklos (25:46):
It's like oh, do you vape?
To be clear, I do not vape toofrom my no, but that's true.
That's what made us, based onyour levels that's why we ask so
yeah, all these toxins?
Anthea Todd (25:53):
then exactly right, sorry, keep going yeah, so this
is where, and if we think aboutheavy metals and toxins, that's
one of the things that you'regoing to be getting from the
vaping, which I don't think islike that's not revolutionary,
like revolutionary, like surelywell, I think in my mind, like
you're inhaling something that'sartificial.
Surely you know that there'schemicals in that.
Sam Miklos (26:13):
What do you think the long-term effects are going
to end up with vaping?
Because we're kind of at this,it's almost like you know when
smoking.
Anthea Todd (26:19):
Well, there's a specialised lung class diagnosis
of like people that have vapingdamaged lungs.
And then we can think aboutwith, for instance, if you are
getting heavy metals, if you'rea woman and you want to fall
pregnant, but also in men too,because heavy metals do damage
your sperm quality and the DNAin them.
When you get pregnant as awoman, your placenta sort of
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acts like a detox pathway.
So if you have heavy metals inyour body and this is not, to
fear among anyone.
But if you have heavy metals inyour body and this is not to
fear among anyone but if youhave heavy metals in your body
you will detox them into theplacenta and into the baby, so
you'll be benefited, but thebaby will then get this high
dose of whatever the heavymetals are.
So this is where you might besomeone that's vaping and eating
(27:05):
processed foods having highinsulin levels.
Your nervous system's notlooked after and you're like I
don't know why I can't fallpregnant.
It's like, yes, maybe there arecauses medically, maybe you've
had pelvic inflammatory diseaseand you have scarring and you
need to create the pathway forthe egg and the sperm to meet.
There's lots of differentreasons for that, but often it's
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just come back to yourfundamentals, like a hair test
is a great place to start.
You don't have to start withthat by any means.
You could just go okay, what'shappening with my nervous system
?
Fundamental, like how muchspaciousness in time do I really
feel and how much pleasure andplay do I feel in the day?
That's a really great questionto ask yourself and to ask
(27:47):
yourself.
And then you go metabolism.
Okay, how much sunlight am Iactually getting in the day and
what's my blue light environmentlike?
You can think of blue lightlike processed food, sunlight
like nutritious food.
Right, because light is.
Think of it like a nutrient foryour body, think of it like
food.
I always say to people it's thefirst food in or on your body
for the day.
So people like what time shouldI have coffee and is it past
this and past this?
Just to make it really simpleand easy, you want sunlight on
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your body first and then goabout your day and do the rest.
Yeah, and then you can look atyour blood sugars as well.
If you're someone that getsskin tacks or you feel tired
after you eat, those things arevery common for people that have
blood sugar issues.
If you have polycystic ovariansyndrome any sort of chronic
disease blood sugars are oftenplaying a part with that.
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And then the nutrient part, andthis is where you can be like
oh, your hair's falling out oryou've got stretch marks, you've
got white spots on yourfingernails, because there's
lots of different types ofnutrients.
There's magnesium, sodium,potassium, calcium, zinc, lots
of them and your nutrients areactually how your cells work.
If anyone's listening to thisand they're a healthcare
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practitioner you would haveheard of the sodium potassium
pump.
It's literally how your body,your cells, create energy.
So we need to support all ofthem to balance better, because
you'll see here, like, forinstance, your, when our nervous
system is stressed, our bodygoes.
We want to slow you downbecause you've been going, going
, going, so we're going to helpyou yeah, and we're going to
(29:14):
dump this sodium out of yourbody yeah
because that's going to slow youdown, because sodium speeds you
up, so we want to slow you down, so we're going to dump that.
But then you go oh, why am Iall?
Why am I feeling so fatiguedand tired?
And this goes back to listeningto your body.
Why am I so fatigued and tired,even though my doctors told me
that there's nothing wrong withmy blood tests, which is great
because it means I don't have aninfection, I don't have cancers
(29:34):
, my iron level is okay, I'm notbleeding internally or losing
too much blood, my thyroid isokay Awesome.
So what do I do now?
So this is where we look and gooh, okay, this trend and this
hair test tells us what's goingon, but really, what it's doing
is mirroring back the patterns,how your body's wanted to adapt
to your life.
That's what it's doing.
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It's like this is how yourbody's been adapting.
Okay, we can take supplementstargeted to you, and this is one
of the things it gives you,which is great.
But supplements aresupplemental.
If you just take supplementsand then stop taking them,
what's going to happen?
Kate Coomber (30:10):
Your body's going to adapt in the same way.
Yeah, it's actually looking atlong-term sustainable change.
Sam Miklos (30:14):
What about the role of emotions.
Kate Coomber (30:18):
Yes, you talked about sort of stress and joy.
Sam Miklos (30:20):
Yes, but then, what does the role that emotions play
in manifesting Physically,physically, physically?
Anthea Todd (30:27):
Yeah.
So this is where there's thisthing called the triple brain
network if I could like draw itfor you.
But basically your brain hasall these complex components we
would have heard of, like themedial prefrontal cortex,
amygdala, hippocampus, brainstem, all these different things.
Just think of them as threehubs, three sections.
So we have the part that'sresponsible for the body, the
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part that's responsible for thestory that we have about
ourselves, other people and ourlife, and the part that is
responsible for action, takingaction.
So we could think, for instance,of someone that procrastinates.
It's like, well, they justcan't take action.
It's like why aren't I takingaction in this thing?
Because you're probably in thestory part of your brain.
You're probably going oh, it'sbecause I'm lazy, oh, it's
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because it's going to be toohard, it's because I don't know
how to figure it out, it'sbecause whatever the belief is,
and it's like and then you justdon't take the action right.
So this is where, when emotionscome into it, they all interact
with each other, but the body isthe switch.
So if you have really highlevels of lead in your body, for
(31:31):
instance, or you are noticingthat you have a really high
calcium to potassium ratio, soyour thyroid slowed down, you
are going to have more tendencytowards slower thought processes
.
So brain depression, thosethings can happen because your
body doesn't have what it needsto actually be able to have
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those other emotions, like it'snot to say that you're not going
to have the other emotions butit's like your physiology can
actually affect what the coreemotions are that you have.
When I went to one of thetrainings with this lab that
does the tests, they weretalking about this guy who'd
been diagnosed withschizophrenia after the floods
in Lismore and he had gone tothe floods in Lismore to help.
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He was stripping wood.
I can't remember the reason whyit's like because of the floods
and mold, I can't remember, buthe was stripping wood and there
was something in the wood thathad caused it to basically
aerate the heavy metals and hiswhole personality had changed.
At that time it was likeeveryone's like oh well, he's
just got stress inducedschizophrenia because of the
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floods and everything thathappened and he was suicidal,
terrible situation.
He did this test and he's like,oh my gosh, he's.
He had all of these differenttoxic elements coming out.
They supported his body, hisfundamentals, his body secreted
them or excreted them, sorry.
(32:56):
And then his moods balance, hisemotions came back to how he
was, his personality went backto how it was, back to how it
was.
So it's looking at, okay, well,what's going on with the body
and how that affects emotions.
Placebo effect.
We know if we focus onsomething or we believe
something.
Our belief changes our body,yeah, so it goes both ways.
(33:16):
So it's important to.
If you're someone that's likeI'm just trying all these things
, I'm doing all the positivestuff and I'm looking at that,
it's like, okay, yes, themindset work and reframing,
doing the four truths instancethere's lots of different things
you can do is helpful.
But if you're also noticingphysical symptoms, looking at
your body, looking at do mycells have what they need?
(33:38):
Do they have those fourfundamental things, okay, let me
do that.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, oh, my gosh, my blood
sugar's a balance.
I have so much energy, I don'thave brain fog.
All of a sudden, and like my,my weight has changed.
I'm just, this weight isdropping off me, I'm not having
to diet and I don't have allthese different things.
And now it's all of a suddenlike, yeah, I can go out, I
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could go out on dates.
I feel different about myself.
My whole body feels different,like because what we've done is
we've helped care for yourfundamentals and now the other
emotions can come out, but alsovice versa, the emotion of okay,
well, I feel really bad aboutmyself because I've got this
story of whatever that came frommy childhood and then that can
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keep your body locked in thatposture like we have.
I went to a training with Besselvan der Kolk, who's the guy who
wrote Body Keeps the ScoreAmazing 80-year-old trauma
psychologist, I love him and heshowed at the start videos of
shell-shocked soldiers, so backin the Vietnam War and actually
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how their physical body wouldwalk and it was almost like a
Parkinsonian light gate, whichis sort of like shuffling and
you're not really swinging,really swinging your arms.
Your face is quite still andyou're just like and you could
be like shaking and like like atrauma shake.
So it's like, okay, well, whathappened, what that scenario did
and the emotions affected thephysical body.
(35:05):
So we also know that in chinesemedicine it's okay, well, we
hold on to resentment or anger.
You can have liver andgallbladder issues.
So it's looking at it from bothsides, it impacts it from both
sides.
Kate Coomber (35:20):
So if you, you know you can do blood work, hair
testing, but I guess, justlooking at the fundamental
framework that you've spokenabout today, if people just want
to start leaning in to the ideaand the concept, maybe I guess,
unless you have testing, it'shard to understand exactly where
your body's at.
Are there things you talkedabout, the sunlight and various
(35:43):
things but where do people start?
Like what's the few things thatpeople could do?
If there's no big problem,that's sending them to get hair
testing or to the doctors butthey really want to embrace this
concept maybe and just learnmore and more aligned.
Obviously, read the book.
That'll get you started yes,but what do?
Um, yeah, what do they do?
Anthea Todd (36:02):
so?
If I were to give you one thingfor each of the fundamentals so
for the nervous system, it's'sspaciousness I would say
Spaciousness, and I'm going togive you two Spaciousness and
having that like, okay, I'mgoing to give myself pleasure of
some kind pleasure or playtoday.
That's my top priority.
(36:23):
Taking notes.
So, and that could be, you'redoing the same thing, but you're
going about it in a pleasurableor playful way.
Kate Coomber (36:30):
Yeah, so Can you give an example of that.
Practically so are you talkingabout?
I've still got to make dinner,but you know, I'm gonna have fun
making dinner.
Yeah, is that what you'replaying?
Music and dancing?
Anthea Todd (36:39):
yeah, so it's the same like I often say to my
patients and I've said it onlineI, I make a dance in the
mornings.
I love it, it's so good andit's interesting, because I
would do it and I'd like put upthe morning song.
And then it became a job for mebecause I was like, oh, I need
to put this up for all thepeople and all these things.
I'm like stopping it, stoppingdoing that.
Sam Miklos (36:58):
Where are you putting this up?
Where are you putting the nakeddance?
Oh, no, no, no, I'll be earningheaps of money.
I don't know, I was justputting up the song, I wasn't
putting a video up of me.
Okay, just clarifying.
Everyone will be like where isshe?
Where is she?
Anthea Todd (37:12):
Yes, but it was just paying attention to oh, now
this is all of a sudden beinglike I need to put this up.
It's not, it's a job, yeah, sogoing.
Oh no, actually not everythingin your I have to do this, then
that's not play.
That's not pleasure, so it'slike, oh, okay, what would feel
(37:34):
really good.
Yesterday I was walking on thebeach and I normally would
listen to a podcast or something.
I'm like, no, I'm going tolisten to this other playlist,
it's like a sensual playlist andI'm going to feel the sun on my
skin.
I was like, oh whoa, on a walk,right.
So that's where we're doingthose things, because we're
actually enjoying living ourlife, not thinking like our life
(37:55):
is a job that we have to geteverything done.
It's like because then what?
Then our life will be how itneeds to be, but then what
happens?
Particularly, if you're goalorientated, you get the thing,
and then you're like now what,instead of going, oh, I get to
get the thing, but also it's notabout get the thing.
And then you're like now what,instead of going, oh, I get to
get the thing, but also it's notabout even the thing, it's
about me enjoying it as I go.
(38:16):
Yeah, which is a switch to haveand that's a really powerful
switch for the nervous system Ican personally attest to that
that's not a new concept, rightlike it's no it's value driven
or goal.
Kate Coomber (38:26):
It's actually hard to put into practice, but it's
so simple right that we maybeunderestimate it.
Sam Miklos (38:29):
Yeah, and it's actually hard to put into
practice, but it's so simpleright that we maybe
underestimate it.
Anthea Todd (38:33):
Yeah, and it's literally it can be tiny things.
It is going oh, I'm doing thisand I'm doing it in a more
playful or pleasurable way.
I'm driving to work, but I'mgoing to blast the music and I'm
just going to sing.
There's something that I it'smy screensaver, my phone and
people always say like liveevery day like it's your last,
but it's like live every daylike it's your first, because if
it's your last, you might belike well, I'm going to blow all
(38:54):
my money and go through the redlights cheat on my husband like
whatever you decide to do, it'slike oh, no, live every day
like it's your first.
You're like oh, what would I do?
Sam Miklos (39:03):
Yeah, that's interesting, yeah, so what's?
It's the next fundamental, then.
So then, if we think aboutmetabolism, that's sunlight
would be the main thing.
Anthea Todd (39:11):
So morning, the first thing that's in your eyes
is sunlight, so avoiding bluelight.
Blue light is you want tominimize it, but you just want
to get the spectrum of the sunin the right order.
Like, if you think aboutsunrise, it's more of that
yellowy hue, it's bringing outdifferent wavelengths, and then
it's like more at the peak, it'sbrighter, it's bluer, it's more
of that yellowy hue, it'sbringing out different
wavelengths, and then it's likemore at the peak, it's more,
(39:32):
it's brighter, it's bluer, it'sdoing that and then it goes down
again.
It's the same thing.
We want to try and mimic that.
Uh, blood sugars, proteins andfats we want to be prioritizing
them.
Carbohydrates aren't the devil,but it's looking at.
Okay for me.
I just go.
Does this meal have protein andfat in it?
Great, because that's alsogoing to fill me up longer and
(39:56):
I'm not going to be like, oh mygosh, like why am I so ravished?
Or I'm so stressed that Icompletely forgot to eat, and
that happens to.
All right, but you know what I?
Kate Coomber (40:04):
don't worry, it happened to me the other day.
I woke up at five and didn'teat till 3 pm it's like when you
do that and then you start thisprotein, fats and I've tried to
do that.
It's so filling and I'mstruggling to eat.
Yeah, More often making surethey're like.
Anthea Todd (40:21):
So, ideally and this is it changes hormones like
leptin and all these thingswhich we won't get into.
But this is where it's likeokay, having the sunlight rhythm
set up in your day, but thenalso going.
Okay, having breakfast, havinglunch, having dinner, and if you
have meals that are wellbalanced, you often aren't like,
oh, I need that chocolate barat 3 pm or I need that like
(40:44):
coffee to keep me going.
I need those things because onewe've satiated that.
And then if we go into the lastfundamental, which is nutrients
, the one thing that I would sayis proper hydration, because a
lot of the times, if you aregetting that 3pm slump or you're
like, oh, wow, I really needthe coffee to wake me up in the
morning, it's often because wedon't have enough hydration with
electrolytes and our sunlightis off.
(41:06):
So because, if you think aboutyour cells like a bathtub full
of water, if you think aboutyour cell, your cells like a
bathtub full of water if you puta hair dryer in that, right,
but that's actually like I wantyou to think of that as actually
a good thing.
I don't want people to go dothat, but it's sort of like if
your cells are hydrated, soyou've got good water in there
and then the electrical currentis like that sun coming in.
(41:28):
It's like whoa, that's like asupercharge of energy.
Right, right, that's actuallyhow our cells generate the
energy.
So, proper hydration.
Often if you're someone that'slike, oh, I get really tired or
hungry at like 10 pm, in betweenbreakfast and lunch or in
between lunch and dinner, it'soften okay, have a look, did you
get enough fat and protein inthe meal that you ate?
And also have you hydrated Likehave and protein in the meal
(41:50):
that you ate, and also have youhydrated, like have an
electrolyte of some kind, andwait 20 minutes and see how you
feel.
you're like oh, that craving forthat chocolate bar, that
coffee's gone away yeah okay,because then you're not getting
the cheap energy that you'llneed and need and need and need
and need.
You're getting driven, orpossibly cheap energy from your
to-do list.
You're like I'll keep goingbecause I got everything done on
my to-do list, but that means Icould have done more okay, I'll
add more things on.
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It's like you just create thiswhole cycle.
Sam Miklos (42:14):
What would you say?
Um, I mean, kate and I've gotyoung children, like we're
bringing up the next generationwith all of the things that you
know.
Now, how should we be parentingor talking to our children so
that these things are instilledand they don't get to their 40s
and start doing hair tests?
And I'm sure it'll be differentthere.
But you know, when you talkabout periods, oh, it's a heavy
(42:37):
period.
There's so many of thosemantras.
I think that we all grew upwith?
What can we shift to make itbetter for that next generation?
Anthea Todd (42:45):
I think it's getting curious about the body
and having the connection andtrust with it.
That's what I often think it'sinteresting with technology and
AI and how this is transforming,say, the education system.
Like what are they eventeaching in schools now?
Like the whole school system of, well, get good grades, do this
(43:05):
and then you can go touniversity.
It's like a lot of jobs now.
You don't even need to go touniversity Some, obviously, you
do.
If you're a doctor, I don'twant you to be trained by
chachapati, but it's, it's goingokay.
There's a lot of jobs thatactually this system doesn't
need, like it doesn't supportthat.
So then I thought, well, howare they actually going to
change the schooling system?
What would you teach?
(43:25):
And it's like how amazing andincredible would it be to teach
body autonomy, connecting toyour body and trusting that,
because the way society is goingso much information, as you
said, it's like you have at theclick of a finger.
Kate Coomber (43:39):
You can get as much information as you want and
misinformation, exactly.
Anthea Todd (43:44):
So this is the thing.
It's having discernment.
So it's going okay.
Yes, amazing, you've given meall this information, what feels
right for me, and it's thatthat's what I'd be teaching
every child, person, adult now,and even like now, that's what I
work on every single day.
(44:04):
It's boundaries, yeah, withyour life.
It's like, oh, I did thesethings.
Like, why did I even do that?
I knew I shouldn't have donethat.
How many times have we saidthat, like I knew that was going
to be a bad idea, but I did itanyway?
So it's having.
It's that it's helping our kidsconnect to and trust their body
and then taking the actionthat's in alignment with their
(44:27):
body, not necessarily what theyshould do, because it's
interesting even in yourquestion like what should we be
teaching our kids?
What should we do?
It's like a should is based ona societal perception giving us
the pressure to do it.
Sam Miklos (44:42):
Yeah, what will we?
Yes, yeah, what can we?
Yeah, I was going to say howcan we?
Anthea Todd (44:46):
Yeah, so I think ultimately it always comes back
to the body.
The yeah, so I think ultimatelyit always comes back to the
body.
The body's going to tell youwhether you like it or not.
It'll tell you in littlewhispers, like gut instincts.
Oh, that just feels like this.
I don't really know why.
That's often the energetics.
It's like I don't know why, butit's like it keeps coming at me
and it has to be this, likeit's just.
I don't know why, it doesn'tmake any sense, but that's what
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it is.
And then sometimes it can bethe little bit louder whispers
of oh, my hair's falling out abit in the shower, but like, oh,
that happens to everyone, orI'm getting white spots on my
fingernails or dry skin or heavyperiods or irregular periods,
and oh, everyone just goes about, everyone just does the same
thing in the system.
I'll take the pill or have thisthing, but I know deep down
(45:32):
that it's not actually, why do I?
even have that like no one'sactually telling me why.
But when we listen to our bodyand we understand it using this
framework, it becomes mucheasier to go okay, I'm just
going to forget about the label,or forget chasing, it's a
hormonal thing, or I need to doa detox.
I need to do this, just go.
Okay.
How can I care for thefundamentals?
Just come back to spaciousness,pleasure, play, get your
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sunlight, balance your proteinand fat, have some hydration and
literally just try that that,that really simplifies, doesn't
it?
like that's um just literallytry that that's really helpful I
think it seems like, oh yeah,but also it's often that stuff
that works, it's thefundamentals.
Kate Coomber (46:09):
For a reason, yeah but it's stuff everyone can.
Yeah, you watch me just slidingthrough.
I can't wait to see you and Ilike.
So yeah, I'll just be likelioness lioness that's gonna be
our word.
They're gonna think oh, thankyou so much.
Honestly, that has been sogreat.
(46:30):
Today, cmr are going to bedonating to a charity of your
choice with this episode Amazing, where can we be donating to?
Anthea Todd (46:37):
I'm going to donate to Rise Up.
So it's for family violence andI wanted to donate there
because it's one of the mainthings.
It's family violence.
So it's how we can bring up ourchildren in safe environments,
but also helping people havethose better boundaries, be able
to have better communication,get into a safe environment as
(46:58):
well.
So I think that's always goodfor everyone's health and body
and life.
Sam Miklos (47:03):
I love what they do.
What a great choice, anthea.
It's been incredible today.
I just literally am just like asponge listening to you.
Also, like you feel, seen, isthere anything before we wrap
that we haven't covered today?
Anthea Todd (47:18):
Yeah.
So when I developed thisframework, I developed it
because I was like, how do Ihelp these people that are lost
in the space between?
And I have so many otherfriends that are practitioners
and colleagues that are like,how do I help doing this?
So, if you're a practitionerlistening and you're a nurse, a
midwife, a chiropractor,osteopath, OT, I have GPs,
(47:40):
psychiatrists that want tounderstand the body through this
framework, I have practitionertraining, so we have live events
coming next year.
But there's an online componentnow that you can start, called
Core Fundamentals, so you canfind that on the website.
But I really feel like that isan important thing to do,
because what's happening andwhat we see like we spoke with
(48:01):
ChatGPT is that a lot of peoplethat come to me now they're like
, oh yeah, I put my resultsthrough ChatGPT or I put my
symptoms through and it'stelling me this, which it's an
amazing tool, right.
But we also need to be able tohave practitioners and people
that can view context and viewhistory and the person right in
(48:22):
front of them and understand itfrom this 360 view, using that
fundamental framework.
So that's what I'd love toshare as well.
Sam Miklos (48:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
We've got such a huge community, I think so many people would
be so interested to hear that,and particularly that a nurse
like you just mentioned all ofour practitioners that we work
with too.
Like that'll be fascinating.
Anthea Todd (48:41):
I have so many nurses interested in in doing
this because, yeah, you'd seeyou, you develop that
relationship with patients.
I know I didn't even touch onit, but I had heart surgery when
I was a teenager and I stilldistinctly remember the nurses
that I had.
Like they, they are the peoplethat I remember yeah, because
they.
I was a young teenager in a roomby myself.
My parents couldn't stay withme.
It was like a scary thing.
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It was like they made you feelsafe and seen, and that's what
they're doing to every patient,so it's it's helping educate you
as well.
So then you can be like, oh,they're getting discharged and
maybe like they could helpthemselves in these ways.
Sam Miklos (49:14):
So, yeah, it's really cool and you've got a
special gift for our community.
What is that?
Anthea Todd (49:20):
yes, so we are offering a discount on the hair
test.
So, if anyone is interested,it's called test your
fundamentals, obviously becauseyou get to know what your
fundamentals are doing.
And, yeah, it's on our website.
You'll be able to see thediscount code in the show notes.
Sam Miklos (49:33):
And, to be clear, the hair test.
You have to cut a piece of hair.
Kate Coomber (49:37):
It was an interesting day.
It was an interesting day.
Sam Miklos (49:38):
We have a girl that works for us, who used to be a
hairdresser, and we gave her apair of kitchen scissors and
said rip in right at the back ifyou could Did you watch the
video.
I didn't.
Kate Coomber (49:50):
I trusted her and as she went to do, it.
Sam Miklos (49:52):
I said this could go really bad if you really hate
me, and she laughed and said itwasn't something I thought I'd
be doing at work today, butlet's have a go.
Anthea Todd (49:59):
Well, it's perfect that you had a hairdresser.
I got my mum to do my first oneand she kitchen scissors
shanked it.
Kate Coomber (50:05):
Well, yes, because I think we just assumed we'd be
doing a bit of this.
Sam Miklos (50:08):
And then, when we saw the pictures in the diagram,
it's like, oh, it's actuallyfrom the root.
It's from the root, it's fromthe scalp.
Yeah, because that's the threemonths you cut the whole piece
out.
Anthea Todd (50:15):
Yes, and then you keep the three centimetres and
it covers the size of a 20-centpiece.
So if you put the hair acrossit it's like oh, you can, I've
done over five and I still have.
I was going to say you've gotluscious hair.
What about guys, though?
Sam Miklos (50:33):
My husband.
I want to get him done, butit's too short.
Anthea Todd (50:35):
Yeah, so this is what you can collect it over
time.
Right, so you can be like okay,well, if it's, if he gets like
really like number one at theback down here you can be like
okay, we're going to get thatand then we're going to collect
more because it's the weight.
You have to have enough weightto test it, because they test it
three times for quality controland all the different things.
So you can do that.
I used to have male housematesand they did it, so I got some
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from the underneath, which wascloser, and then I took some
from the top.
So it was sort of like a threecentimetre average without like
cutting whole three centimetresfrom the top, obviously shaving
it Underarms.
Kate Coomber (51:06):
You can use underarms.
I did giggle, it didn't have tobe from the head no, yeah.
Anthea Todd (51:10):
So basically best is scalp right.
Next is chest.
Yeah, women obviously don'thave much chest hair but men
sometimes do armpit, then pubicright if you are using other
forms of hair, you need toreally thoroughly wash it yeah
because often, like for instancewith pubic hair, like soap
residue builds up on it and itcan throw off different levels
(51:33):
that are showing up.
So it's always but like we'llbe able to see what type of hair
sample it is on the test.
Sam Miklos (51:39):
But, yeah, scalp is best Fantastic.
No, it's been.
We've found it insightful.
We now got a lot of work to dowith you, slowly, slowly
chipping away Just slowly,slowly, slowly.
You slowly slowly chipping away, slowly, slowly.
But thank you, it has been anabsolute pleasure to have you
here today and what a greatconversation.
Kate Coomber (51:54):
Thank you so much for having me girls we
acknowledge the traditionalcustodians of the land of which
we meet who, for centuries, haveshared ancient methods of
healing and cared for theircommunities.
We pay our respects to elders,past and present.
In this part two of the episode, we're about to
take a deep dive into theresults of a hair test so that
you can understand whether thisis right for you, and I have to
say our results were a littlebit shocking.
Anthea Todd (00:11):
Because the whole reason why your copper's high is
because your nervous system isburnt out and your body holds
onto copper Right, so you're notsucking on copper pipes?
I'm guessing no.
Sam Miklos (00:20):
Yeah, so what are the four fundamentals?
How does a hair test fit in andwhy is walking like a lioness
going to be better for us?
Stay tuned to find out more.
Kate Coomber (00:28):
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Anthea Todd (00:41):
You may even see Sam riding a skateboard.
Sam Miklos (00:48):
So we did the hair test?
Yes, you did, and I've got totell you when I got my results.
I've got off the charts copper,zinc, magnesium, calcium, iron,
titanium, nickel.
Is that normal for the firstone?
And also, what hope do I haveto get those back like?
Kate Coomber (01:08):
I feel like I need to be wheeled into an emergency
room and laid down like it wasa lot, and because it also then
talked to a little bit about, um, the where I had the little box
about what you might see thatmanifest as the tendencies graph
.
Yeah, yeah, and I was like areyou okay?
I mean, am I okay too?
Sam Miklos (01:23):
I certainly had, you know, calcium off the chart and
all yeah and I was like are youokay?
Kate Coomber (01:25):
I mean, am I okay too?
I certainly had, you know,calcium off the chart and all
these things.
I was like, why?
Sam Miklos (01:29):
and again from someone who wants to do well,
yeah, yeah it didn't feel greatand I didn't, and I wouldn't
have said.
I was like if you'd said whatwere the little whispers, I
probably would have been like toknow so then I was like, am I
so off.
Anthea Todd (01:43):
So what made you want to do the test?
Was it just because we werehaving this?
Sam Miklos (01:46):
no, I'm particularly interested in this sort of
medicine so I was like I'venever done anything like that
yeah, I do agree that yourbody's giving you the messages.
Kate Coomber (01:53):
I've always thought that and you've always
seen a naturopath yeah, I'vealways seen that, always and all
that.
So yeah, like we're trying toreally understand if we were
going to speak to you yeah, tounderstand what this is about.
Sam Miklos (02:02):
Yeah, because definitely.
Kate Coomber (02:04):
When I read your book, I was like oh my gosh.
Yeah, I ran out.
I had to tell all the women inmy life, all of us in our 40s,
you know To say don't gostraight for the clitoris.
Oh my gosh.
Anthea Todd (02:14):
Mind blown.
You don't even have to read thewhole book, just read the first
page.
Kate Coomber (02:26):
That's the first bit right book you'll ever read.
Maybe have it to your husband.
Sam Miklos (02:27):
We're a bit of a certain age and we're all every
time we catch up Perimenopause,we're all talking about the same
stuff.
Kate Coomber (02:32):
I was like ladies, just shut the front door.
I've got a new concept.
It felt really validating.
Anthea Todd (02:39):
It felt Because you know, we all know that our body
actually isn't working againstus.
We know that it's helping us,but we just we're fed, like the
advertising industry, all thethings like there's something
wrong with you.
Kate Coomber (02:52):
buy this car and you'll be amazing.
But even I think you said whatyour body needs at 40 isn't
going to be what it needed at 20.
Sam Miklos (03:02):
But also the other thing that prompted me too was
at the beginning of the year.
I was like I took a full healthtest and I went and did like a
blood test, did all the things,and then she said I think you
have, is it?
Your white blood cells are abit low.
We'll just monitor it.
It could be an autoimmune thing.
Anthea Todd (03:21):
Come back in a couple of months and we'll to be
more going on, and there's somany that's lost in the space
between, and let's not wait forit to get worse.
Sam Miklos (03:26):
Yeah, fine.
Anthea Todd (03:26):
There's so many people that have that and you've
got the little whisper of likethat doesn't seem right.
Sam Miklos (03:30):
That doesn't seem right.
Kate Coomber (03:37):
But also like what do I do?
Sam Miklos (03:38):
Yeah, and then do I wait and get leuke straight for
the glitter, it's got to gostraight for the leukemia, okay.
Anthea Todd (03:43):
But, yeah, that is why.
But then we got it A newfunction needs a little bit of
support.
Sam Miklos (03:47):
That's it, maybe don't go straight for leukemia.
Yes, but then we got this backand then we were like, are we
going to be like, how do we getout of this?
Is this normal when?
Kate Coomber (03:59):
do you?
Sam Miklos (03:59):
start when you get these hair tests.
Anthea Todd (04:01):
Yeah, so this is where we just go one fundamental
at a time.
So like, for instance, what Iwas saying before, how it's like
, well, we don't get.
It's not like on the testresult, you get a this is your
estrogen level, this is yourtestosterone level.
And there are definitely placesfor that, like if you're going
through that perimenopausal,menopausal phase and you're
experiencing different symptoms.
Yet we want to also test them.
(04:25):
That's why the framework isn'tjust it's just medical or it's
just functional or it's justenergetic.
We have to look at all of itand go like, okay, for me right
now, with my symptoms, if I putthem through that framework,
what's the thing that I need?
Because, ultimately, when youdo get that trust and connection
with your body and you hear itmore and more and it becomes
stronger and stronger, you'llknow what your body needs in the
moment and those little changesthat you're doing with your
(04:47):
behaviour actually have knock-oneffects for your functional
health.
So, for instance, like on thesecond page straight away, your
nervous system fundamental needssupport.
Sam, I don't know whether Iwant to out you on the podcast?
Sam Miklos (05:00):
That is not.
I don't think there is a singleperson that will listen to this
that would disagree with you.
That is not.
I don't think there is a singleperson that will listen to this
that would disagree,considering we're like type a
personality.
Anthea Todd (05:06):
We've got all these like your mind's constantly
going going, going yeah which,like, if you're able to do that
and you don't have any knock-oneffects with any of your health,
absolutely go wild like what'swhat's the problem, right?
So this is where that commonand normal.
I see lots of people go like,oh, but like is it actually
normal or what's common?
And like what do I, how do Iknow?
(05:28):
Like, should I?
And then you can become sopedantic with going like I have
a little bit of dry skin in myeyebrow and then I've got this
little thing.
Like that means this that meansthis.
So it's going coming back to andthat's the energetic layer,
which can get into a secondwhere you have ultimate trust
that your body is looking outfor you and it's helping you,
and to listen to the evensmaller whispers, which is the
energetics.
Kate Coomber (05:48):
But yeah, we can see here.
It's like some days you'revibrating.
Sam Miklos (05:50):
Sometimes I'm like this I mean both of us Like two
coffees will just throw me overthe edge.
I'm just like meh yeah youradrenals, which does suffocate
some of you.
Ad and energy yeah, they justneed to calm down.
Anthea Todd (06:02):
Your body is literally saying to you slow
down from this.
That's like the overall picture, Right.
Sam Miklos (06:08):
And can you recover your?
Anthea Todd (06:10):
nervous system, absolutely so.
I'm saying this also because Ican out myself, too, my results.
My first results were very muchsimilar to yours as well.
And I was like and I'm notstressed, I don't know what
you're talking about Like, yeah,I tried to move overseas and
live in London, which I foundout you both did too, yeah, we
did and COVID hit, and then Ihad to come back and then there
(06:30):
was this whole personal lifechange and career change and I
was moving and I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'll study two
masters, that's okay, easy.
And it's the same, like withwriting my book.
I was like no, I'm not stressed.
My body was screaming at me, Ihad blood-filled cystic acne, I
(06:51):
had all these different.
I was exhausted, but I was likeno, but I love what I'm doing.
The body was literallyscreaming at me.
And now, if you ask me now,like, oh, yeah, I was really
stressed, but I didn't think itat the time.
Yeah, so that's the hard thing.
Sam Miklos (07:03):
Like when you're in the weeds, and also to what you
just said resonated because Iwas like I love what.
I do, that's what I was gonnasay so, it's great like yeah,
but I and this is where it'salmost what do you do?
Kate Coomber (07:15):
because sometimes people just say, well, you need
to cut back, you know.
Because I feel that, like Ilove the work that we do, I love
my family it's super busy loveall the activities.
Kids are thriving.
Sounds like we'll just do less.
Anthea Todd (07:31):
It's like that's not maybe it's not doing less,
it's doing it different yeah,because you can't if you and
doing it different, maybe thatthere is some things where
you're like I was giving timeand attention and thought to
that and I'm not going toanymore.
But one of the big things forme, like my nervous system
fundamental was like screamingon my first test and I just saw
(07:53):
the copper and I saw lots ofother things.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tosupport all these other things,
I'm going to take all thesupplements, do all the things,
retest three months later, oh,okay, oh, my copper's come way
down.
That's amazing because it wasreally high.
That was the main thing.
But my liver function got worsebecause I was doing it way too
fast.
I wasn't caring for my body Atthe same time.
Sam Miklos (08:10):
I was like let's get rid of this.
Let's get it out.
This is really bad.
This is the problem.
You're just like a whack-a-molethen.
Anthea Todd (08:21):
This, this with your body.
It's trying to help you.
And then, after the third test,I go oh right, it was my
nervous system the whole timebecause the whole reason why
your copper's high is becauseyour nervous system is burnt out
and your body holds on tocopper right so that you're not
sucking on copper pipes?
Sam Miklos (08:40):
I'm guessing no yeah , I was like I need to check her
pipes or something at her house.
Someone's probably got taps.
Anthea Todd (08:47):
What you can actually look at is if you get
like the, you know the colour ofthe Statue of Liberty if you
get that around your pipes, thenit can be that there's more
copper because that's oxidisedcopper yeah.
So that is something that youcan look at, but the the vast
majority of time, particularlywith this combination of what
your nervous system fundamentalratios are doing, that's driving
it.
And I can personally attest.
Sam Miklos (09:08):
Yes, that's the pattern, that's it.
That happens no matter what Ido.
What about stress?
Yeah, mine definitely.
Yours is uncontrolled stress, Iliterally said prolonged,
uncontrolled stress.
Can you recover from?
Anthea Todd (09:23):
Yeah, but this is where we need to bring in.
Okay, what do we actually dofor that?
And like what do you do forstress, right?
Oh, people said yoga, or peoplesay meditation, or maybe I need
antidepressants, maybe I needto go get diagnosed for ADHD,
maybe I need to like.
What do you do Right, andparticularly when you feel?
Kate Coomber (09:41):
good.
Anthea Todd (09:41):
Yeah.
So this is where one of thethings that I have been doing
because I'm in a similar boat toyou guys and if anyone's
listening and they're like, yeah, yeah, I feel great.
But my nervous system is likethis I play around with the pace
of things and also my physicalbody, because that actually
rewires what part of your brainis driving things.
(10:02):
So what I mean by that isholding, I tell my patients is
pretend like you're a lioness.
So what?
How does a lioness move?
She's not darting around,talking really fast like we're
quite excited that is so funny.
Kate Coomber (10:18):
He's like, oh, like tell me right.
Sam Miklos (10:19):
and she walked in, which is like at cub, yeah right
, that's not a lioness.
I was like that's not normal.
Anthea Todd (10:28):
No, it is, I'm pretty excitable.
Right, we're like the Chihuahua, we are like Chihuahua yeah.
So this is where you actuallyjust play around with the pace
and it's the same thing and thisis what to be amazing.
(10:48):
But it's like, okay, if I'mrunning around the house trying
to cram everything in doing anemail, because I'm also really
excited about that, and likedoing all these things, that's
my body is noticing you don'thave enough time, so.
So there's not spaciousnesswhich is a threat to your body,
which triggers your nervoussystem.
So if we were to go, okay, I'mgoing to walk to lunch today,
(11:13):
but I'm going to walk like alioness would probably not on
all fours, but you get what Imean, right, and then you're
also going to talk like alioness does.
So you're not over explainingthings, you're just like no, I
know what I want and this is.
I'm just saying that.
You're not like, oh, yeah, butmaybe we could do this and we'll
figure out some things and oh,what?
Kate Coomber (11:31):
right, I think we're gonna need to break up but
even you think about you know,yeah, we're dragging our kids
around.
It's like get out the door,hurry.
Yeah, you know, like.
Anthea Todd (11:41):
So this is where the common and normal thing,
right, everyone's the same,everyone's like oh, we've got to
cram all the things in.
It's so exciting, we live allthis.
We have our life filled withall these amazing things that
we're doing.
We are very excitable.
Sam Miklos (11:51):
We also have like five different chats going.
I was just thinking about eventhat Like we chat on Instagram.
Anthea Todd (12:08):
We chat volume of all of the way we just, which is
what our nervous system isn'tused to.
So I just, that's the easiestthing and it's very I feel like
I can feel it.
So I'm like, okay, lioness, howwould she actually walk?
Like sometimes, okay, I'm gonnago for a walk on the beach and
I'm thinking I gotta be back bythis time and I'm gonna do this
and I'm walking really fast.
It's like, actually, how woulda lioness be walking?
And, oh my gosh, she's feelingthe feeling of the sun on her
(12:28):
skin and she's looking around,like at the horizon.
She's not like, oh, okay, I'mdoing this and I'm checking my
phone and I'm taking a photo andI'm doing all this stuff.
It's like, oh no, I'm actuallyjust walking, feeling being like
oh whoa.
And walking feeling being likeoh whoa and like what a lioness
does she?
Like she'll scan theenvironment like the horizon.
So if someone is listening tothis and you're not necessarily
(12:51):
feeling like you are, like youmight actually be feeling like
you're stressed, you canactually get into your body to
help your body out of thatrumination part of your brain.
So, literally just standingthere like a lioness and slowly
scanning the horizon with youreyes and turning your head.
That actually goes into thatpart of your brain to calm it
(13:11):
down and go.
You're in a big posture, You'rescanning the environment.
You're obviously not prey, Likethat part of your brain goes.
You must be the predator, sothere's nothing out here that's
going to harm you.
So it's giving signals to yourphysiology that you're safe, and
sometimes we have to.
We can do mantras, we can belike you're safe, everything's
fine, be where your feet are allthe different things and they
(13:33):
all can help.
But I found that this can bereally beneficial and a lot of
people love it.
Sam Miklos (13:39):
They're like yeah, I'm a lioness I like message me,
and it's great oh, there you go.
Kate Coomber (13:43):
I was just gonna say is that a society thing too?
Because I guess when we're inthese busy lives now, and if
you're in business and all thethings, you might see someone a
little bit slower and you knowwe've got to move quicker, and
almost slow equals lazy, or soyou know there might be those
external and this is where theenergetics layer comes in.
Anthea Todd (14:06):
So the energetics is often I think about.
Say, for instance, you have asymptom of fatigue when you're
listening with the energetics,it's going.
What is this symptom telling meabout my life?
So functional is.
What is the symptom telling meabout my body and what it needs?
And then it's like, okay,what's it telling me about my
body and what it needs?
And then it's like, okay,what's it telling me about my
life and all of that, so it cancome with your identity.
(14:28):
Like oh, I have this identity,that I'm not a lazy person.
Kate Coomber (14:31):
Yeah.
Anthea Todd (14:31):
What are you talking about?
I'm not lazy, I'll prove it toyou.
It's like no one was callingyou lazy, stop looking at me.
No one was calling you lazy,right, and you can go into past
traumas and how you were grownup and all those things which
can be helpful in the rightspace.
But also we can go, oh whoa.
Okay, I had this story, becausethese are stories that drive
(14:54):
everything.
I have this story that if I sitdown I'm lazy.
For instance, and you can putit, byron Katie is a.
She's an author, the Four TruthsI actually don't know whether
that's the title of her book,but the Four Truths is a process
she does and you just say isthat true?
And you go okay, I have thisbelief that if I sit down, I'm
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lazy, is that true?
And you might be in your mindbeing like, absolutely, it is
Like, look at that person andyour brain just goes and
reinforces that and you go am Iabsolutely sure that that is
true?
And you go, actually, maybe Ido know other people that like
sit and rest and I don't thinkthey're lazy, oh, okay.
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And then so you might go, oh,great.
And then you say how do I feelwhen I believe that thought,
when I rest I'm lazy, how do youfeel?
It doesn't make me feel thatgood, okay, but it mustn't be
true then.
And then you go okay, whatwould I feel if I flipped it?
So when I rest, I feel amazing.
(15:55):
Or when I rest, that actuallymoves me forward faster, or
whatever the change of beliefthat you want.
And then you go oh okay, thatfeels so much better.
And then, all of a sudden, allyour patterns and behaviors and
actions start to change.
And then it's like, oh whoa, mylevels on my functional test
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changed, and it wasn't because Iwas taking supplements, it was
because I actually addressed theunderlying thing.
That was there.
And it's not that you're havingto necessarily give up big
things, yeah, it's that you'redoing it in a different way.
It's like when you are actuallyresting, you are resting
instead of going oh okay, I'vefinished everything.
I'm going to sit down on thecouch and watch this new series
with my hubby.
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I'm going to do whatever we'vegot.
This time the kids are in bedand then you're sitting there
and you're watching it andyou're thinking, okay, I got
that, didn't make the school Igot.
Sam Miklos (16:42):
No, I'm like when you said that example I'm like.
I literally my husband says tome you cannot sit and put your
feet up and I'm like no becauseI sit there and I'm like, could
we do that?
Could we do that?
Anthea Todd (16:53):
And this is like wicked.
I love this stuff.
Sam Miklos (16:57):
We could be here for days.
We could turn this into a wholething.
You got my hair as well.
I was like but this is where,and this is.
Anthea Todd (17:03):
I'm saying this because I know this, I have been
there and I do still sort of gointo that.
But I'm so much more aware nowand I know like my whole thing
is like what actually is successor what is health to you,
because a lot of people like youneed to sort of like know where
that guidepost is, and that'swith the energetics.
You need to know where is yourintention set, like where's your
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GPSps, because everything elsein your life is going to filter
to get you there.
So we need to know what is that?
So for me it's like well, yes,you can be successful and calm
and healthy and have fulfillmentin all other areas of your life
.
You don't have to get to successby rushing and always be doing
things.
So it's like okay, how can Iactually so?
(17:45):
Okay, now I'm going to changeall my behaviours.
And now, like a little thing,if you're someone that does sit
on the couch and your mind'slike school lunches, emails,
whatever, I literally imagine apicture of a phone charger
plugged in at the wall and it'sturned off at the wall, you know
like if you've ever gone to bedand you plug your phone in, you
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plug your phone in and you wakeup in the morning and you go oh
it wasn't turned on at thewalls it didn't actually charge,
like that's.
I always think to myself.
I'm like that's what'shappening right now.
Kate Coomber (18:15):
Yeah.
Anthea Todd (18:21):
So then I go okay, well, how do I get out of that
part of my brain which is thestory part, the switch?
I haven't explained this fully,but basically there's a part of
your brain that's responsiblefor everything that's going on
in your body what's your bodytemperature, what's your insulin
levels, what's your iron levels, how does your body feel, all
the things.
So what I do is I go okay, howcan I get into my body right now
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and how can I love pleasure?
Because a lot of the times whenwe're I have to do all these
things, we have this, notaversion to pleasure, but it's
almost like we have to earn ityes instead of going, the
pleasure could be.
Oh my gosh, I just love layingon this couch how comfortable,
is it?
I'm so glad we got this couchand you just like allow your
body to sink into it.
Then, all of a sudden, you'reout of it.
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You've forgotten that, allthese emails and different
things you need to do, you'rejust like huh, and then you're
out of it.
You've forgotten that all theseemails and different things you
need to do.
Kate Coomber (19:06):
You're just like huh, and then you're in your
body.
We were talking about the joy,weren't we?
Sam Miklos (19:10):
Moments of joy.
Anthea Todd (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, so that's with nervous system.
It's like you have thedifferent I talk about in the
book with the traffic lights.
So green light, orange light,red light With the hair test.
You're both slow ones, sothat's more of like a red light
and it's not that you're stuckin it all the time and by all
means you guys are not likecatatonic freeze, like you're
not like that at all.
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Um, so it's moving into it, butyour body's like okay, we just
need to slow you down to bringyou back into the green.
So a green light is like play,pleasure, curiosity, calm, joy,
spaciousness.
It's lioness, yeah, so we wantto be in that most of the time.
But we also want red and orangelights like driving on the road
.
Yeah, we need all of them.
Kate Coomber (19:53):
We need those as well, that's what's helped us
survive.
Anthea Todd (19:55):
We just don't want to stay stuck in the other ones?
Sam Miklos (19:57):
You know across all the tests that you do.
Is there one of the fourfundamentals that you see is
consistently the one that's theproblem, and is it different for
women and men?
Anthea Todd (20:13):
I would say probably the nervous system and
metabolism one are the mostcommon, I think, because of how
society is Society.
Now we're just on the busyness,the rushing, and also with
metabolism.
The main thing we look at isyour light environment.
So sunlight, yes, but alsoartificial light you can sort of
(20:35):
think of it as light isactually energy is how we get
energy.
Because what do we think?
What gives you energy, like asa baseline?
Food?
Right, we need food to give usenergy, but how does a plant
grow Out?
Sam Miklos (20:47):
in baseline food.
Right, we need food to give usenergy.
But how does a plant grow outin the sun, from sunlight.
Anthea Todd (20:49):
So it's stored energy that we're eating and
consuming to give us energy.
So we actually I want you tothink of your skin literally
like a solar panel, so you'reactually getting your cells are
getting energy and charge fromthe sun.
Does that mean that everyoneshould be in the sun all day,
every day, day?
Absolutely not.
Kate Coomber (21:06):
And this is the contradiction, then, of everyone
going no, but I've got to avoidthe sun because I'm going to
get skin cancer and it's youknow, and you suck it on the
sunscreen, but then that blocksout the vitamin D Chemicals.
And then, if you think aboutcountries, where they don't get
a lot of sun, and then they dohave, you know, seasonal
affective disorder, I guessbecause they're not getting well
.
Anthea Todd (21:23):
I think it's a bit like the sun's been around a bit
longer than all of us have.
It's probably a reason for itand it like we can see that it
grows, all of these things thatnourish us.
Yeah, right, so just even justthinking about it on a basic
level, like that, you're like,okay, well, I know the sun is
good and you know when you'vebeen sick or you've been inside
all day like what feels amazing,going outside, just being like,
(21:45):
oh, I'm in the sun they saythat when people are at the end
of life.
They often say that they justwant to sit out in the sun well,
there's so much research aboutpeople I actually was reading
I'm reading a book at the momentand he talks about.
There was this boy that wasthey couldn't do anything, he I
can't remember.
He had a rare cancer of somekind and they were like he's, he
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was 17, like sorry, we can't doanything about it, he's just
gonna die.
We're gonna have to allow him toslowly die of these next couple
of days in hospital and he'slike I just want to go outside,
like he's, and they figured outeverything.
And then now it's been like 10years so and I'm not saying that
, just put everyone who's incritical care out in the sun,
but there are there's hospitalsnow that are doing that because
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they know the impacts of thatand you know the impacts of
nature, like what happens whenyou might go on a camping trip
with your family, yeah andthere's no reception, there's no
non-native emfs and all theseother electrical impulses that
are coming in and you just hearthe sound of the birds.
Kate Coomber (22:42):
You get the negative ions you get the sun
feet in the ground, we, so it is, it's like we know this stuff.
Anthea Todd (22:48):
Yeah, we know that nature is good for us, like I
don't know anyone that's goingto be.
Like nature is bad for you yeah, unless you're American and you
think everything in Australiais going to kill you, but I'm
guessing you don't have manyAmerican listeners, no, Not, not
yet.
Kate Coomber (23:02):
Howdy y'all.
Yeah, but you were talking thenabout sunscreens.
Sam Miklos (23:05):
Yes, and toxins, toxins and chemicals.
Kate Coomber (23:08):
And what are you seeing in a world of more toxins
?
You know you think aboutcosmetics, processed foods,
botox fillers, like all of that.
Sam Miklos (23:19):
But you also said in the book don't even get me
started on vaping.
I want to start you on vaping.
Because that, like, if I lookaround our office now, everyone,
everyone vapes, and even whatwould you say to those don't
vape you, why tell us?
Why tell us about it?
Oh my gosh, it's so.
I mean, don't tell us, it'sjust like it's.
Anthea Todd (23:37):
It's it's so interesting because I think
societally it's smoking is bad.
Vaping is like the healthyalternative, like as a
conceptual like oh, it'sperceived.
Sam Miklos (23:47):
Like, oh, it's okay.
Kate Coomber (23:47):
I'm only vaping yeah.
Anthea Todd (23:49):
And I can sort of do it inside Like people.
Kate Coomber (23:51):
I know I can smoke inside, but I can vape Vape in
the bathroom.
Anthea Todd (23:53):
I just came back from overseas in Europe and I
would say every second personwas vaping, really.
Kate Coomber (24:09):
So restaurants, I'll be like sneakily taking a
vape and it's like we've goneback in time where we is that
like vaping.
You could go to a restaurantyou go like do you want smoking
or?
Anthea Todd (24:12):
non-smoking.
Was it like that?
Or was it just everyone intogether vaping?
No, everyone.
Well, in europe they don't havethe whole.
Like you can't smoke and eat inthe same areas, which I'm so
glad we have that in australia.
Um, but yeah, you can thinkabout it like okay, well, why do
you want to vape?
What's it giving you?
What's the behavioral thingthat it's doing?
Often it's soothing or it canbecome habitual, like it's that
dopamine hit.
You could take it way back tonow.
(24:33):
I don't know the research ofthis, but we were talking about
it in my family of healthcarepractitioners.
We're like it's interesting,because what do you give a baby
when it wants to be soothed?
A dummy.
So it's a sucking reflex, right, sucking right.
So that sucking reflex is goinginto that part of your
brainstem that soothes.
So it's going back to againwhat is going on with people
(24:53):
Like how can we help people on adeeper level?
But from a functionalstandpoint, what vaping does?
It's chemicals, like.
If it, okay, it's agrape-flavored thing.
It's amazing, it tastesdelicious.
Is a grape-flavoredoured thing?
It's amazing, it tastesdelicious.
Is a grape-flavoured Fanta?
Good for you, yeah, what's thething that's giving it grape
flavour?
What is that chemical Like?
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It's a chemical.
If it was mortine-flavoured,like fly spray, you'd be like
absolutely not, I'm not inhalingthat.
It's a different taste, butit's still made of these
chemicals that are artificialand our body doesn't know how to
recognise.
Not to mention it has a heatedelement that is made of metal.
What are we seeing on thesetests?
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of a lot of people A lot ofheavy metals.
Like where are you gettingthese heavy metals?
You don't work in mines, you'renot working with asphalt,
you're not on farms with spraysand all these different areas.
Sam Miklos (25:46):
It's like oh, do you vape?
To be clear, I do not vape toofrom my no, but that's true.
That's what made us, based onyour levels that's why we ask so
yeah, all these toxins?
Anthea Todd (25:53):
then exactly right, sorry, keep going yeah, so this
is where, and if we think aboutheavy metals and toxins, that's
one of the things that you'regoing to be getting from the
vaping, which I don't think islike that's not revolutionary,
like revolutionary, like surelywell, I think in my mind, like
you're inhaling something that'sartificial.
Surely you know that there'schemicals in that.
Sam Miklos (26:13):
What do you think the long-term effects are going
to end up with vaping?
Because we're kind of at this,it's almost like you know when
smoking.
Anthea Todd (26:19):
Well, there's a specialised lung class diagnosis
of like people that have vapingdamaged lungs.
And then we can think aboutwith, for instance, if you are
getting heavy metals, if you'rea woman and you want to fall
pregnant, but also in men too,because heavy metals do damage
your sperm quality and the DNAin them.
When you get pregnant as awoman, your placenta sort of
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acts like a detox pathway.
So if you have heavy metals inyour body and this is not, to
fear among anyone.
But if you have heavy metals inyour body and this is not to
fear among anyone but if youhave heavy metals in your body
you will detox them into theplacenta and into the baby, so
you'll be benefited, but thebaby will then get this high
dose of whatever the heavymetals are.
So this is where you might besomeone that's vaping and eating
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processed foods having highinsulin levels.
Your nervous system's notlooked after and you're like I
don't know why I can't fallpregnant.
It's like, yes, maybe there arecauses medically, maybe you've
had pelvic inflammatory diseaseand you have scarring and you
need to create the pathway forthe egg and the sperm to meet.
There's lots of differentreasons for that, but often it's
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just come back to yourfundamentals, like a hair test
is a great place to start.
You don't have to start withthat by any means.
You could just go okay, what'shappening with my nervous system
?
Fundamental, like how muchspaciousness in time do I really
feel and how much pleasure andplay do I feel in the day?
That's a really great questionto ask yourself and to ask
(27:47):
yourself.
And then you go metabolism.
Okay, how much sunlight am Iactually getting in the day and
what's my blue light environmentlike?
You can think of blue lightlike processed food, sunlight
like nutritious food.
Right, because light is.
Think of it like a nutrient foryour body, think of it like
food.
I always say to people it's thefirst food in or on your body
for the day.
So people like what time shouldI have coffee and is it past
this and past this?
Just to make it really simpleand easy, you want sunlight on
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your body first and then goabout your day and do the rest.
Yeah, and then you can look atyour blood sugars as well.
If you're someone that getsskin tacks or you feel tired
after you eat, those things arevery common for people that have
blood sugar issues.
If you have polycystic ovariansyndrome any sort of chronic
disease blood sugars are oftenplaying a part with that.
(28:30):
And then the nutrient part, andthis is where you can be like
oh, your hair's falling out oryou've got stretch marks, you've
got white spots on yourfingernails, because there's
lots of different types ofnutrients.
There's magnesium, sodium,potassium, calcium, zinc, lots
of them and your nutrients areactually how your cells work.
If anyone's listening to thisand they're a healthcare
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practitioner you would haveheard of the sodium potassium
pump.
It's literally how your body,your cells, create energy.
So we need to support all ofthem to balance better, because
you'll see here, like, forinstance, your, when our nervous
system is stressed, our bodygoes.
We want to slow you downbecause you've been going, going
, going, so we're going to helpyou yeah, and we're going to
(29:14):
dump this sodium out of yourbody yeah
because that's going to slow youdown, because sodium speeds you
up, so we want to slow you down, so we're going to dump that.
But then you go oh, why am Iall?
Why am I feeling so fatiguedand tired?
And this goes back to listeningto your body.
Why am I so fatigued and tired,even though my doctors told me
that there's nothing wrong withmy blood tests, which is great
because it means I don't have aninfection, I don't have cancers
(29:34):
, my iron level is okay, I'm notbleeding internally or losing
too much blood, my thyroid isokay Awesome.
So what do I do now?
So this is where we look and gooh, okay, this trend and this
hair test tells us what's goingon, but really, what it's doing
is mirroring back the patterns,how your body's wanted to adapt
to your life.
That's what it's doing.
(29:55):
It's like this is how yourbody's been adapting.
Okay, we can take supplementstargeted to you, and this is one
of the things it gives you,which is great.
But supplements aresupplemental.
If you just take supplementsand then stop taking them,
what's going to happen?
Kate Coomber (30:10):
Your body's going to adapt in the same way.
Yeah, it's actually looking atlong-term sustainable change.
Sam Miklos (30:14):
What about the role of emotions.
Kate Coomber (30:18):
Yes, you talked about sort of stress and joy.
Sam Miklos (30:20):
Yes, but then, what does the role that emotions play
in manifesting Physically,physically, physically?
Anthea Todd (30:27):
Yeah.
So this is where there's thisthing called the triple brain
network if I could like draw itfor you.
But basically your brain hasall these complex components we
would have heard of, like themedial prefrontal cortex,
amygdala, hippocampus, brainstem, all these different things.
Just think of them as threehubs, three sections.
So we have the part that'sresponsible for the body, the
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part that's responsible for thestory that we have about
ourselves, other people and ourlife, and the part that is
responsible for action, takingaction.
So we could think, for instance,of someone that procrastinates.
It's like, well, they justcan't take action.
It's like why aren't I takingaction in this thing?
Because you're probably in thestory part of your brain.
You're probably going oh, it'sbecause I'm lazy, oh, it's
(31:11):
because it's going to be toohard, it's because I don't know
how to figure it out, it'sbecause whatever the belief is,
and it's like and then you justdon't take the action right.
So this is where, when emotionscome into it, they all interact
with each other, but the body isthe switch.
So if you have really highlevels of lead in your body, for
(31:31):
instance, or you are noticingthat you have a really high
calcium to potassium ratio, soyour thyroid slowed down, you
are going to have more tendencytowards slower thought processes
.
So brain depression, thosethings can happen because your
body doesn't have what it needsto actually be able to have
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those other emotions, like it'snot to say that you're not going
to have the other emotions butit's like your physiology can
actually affect what the coreemotions are that you have.
When I went to one of thetrainings with this lab that
does the tests, they weretalking about this guy who'd
been diagnosed withschizophrenia after the floods
in Lismore and he had gone tothe floods in Lismore to help.
(32:15):
He was stripping wood.
I can't remember the reason whyit's like because of the floods
and mold, I can't remember, buthe was stripping wood and there
was something in the wood thathad caused it to basically
aerate the heavy metals and hiswhole personality had changed.
At that time it was likeeveryone's like oh well, he's
just got stress inducedschizophrenia because of the
(32:35):
floods and everything thathappened and he was suicidal,
terrible situation.
He did this test and he's like,oh my gosh, he's.
He had all of these differenttoxic elements coming out.
They supported his body, hisfundamentals, his body secreted
them or excreted them, sorry.
(32:56):
And then his moods balance, hisemotions came back to how he
was, his personality went backto how it was, back to how it
was.
So it's looking at, okay, well,what's going on with the body
and how that affects emotions.
Placebo effect.
We know if we focus onsomething or we believe
something.
Our belief changes our body,yeah, so it goes both ways.
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So it's important to.
If you're someone that's likeI'm just trying all these things
, I'm doing all the positivestuff and I'm looking at that,
it's like, okay, yes, themindset work and reframing,
doing the four truths instancethere's lots of different things
you can do is helpful.
But if you're also noticingphysical symptoms, looking at
your body, looking at do mycells have what they need?
(33:38):
Do they have those fourfundamental things, okay, let me
do that.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, oh, my gosh, my blood
sugar's a balance.
I have so much energy, I don'thave brain fog.
All of a sudden, and like my,my weight has changed.
I'm just, this weight isdropping off me, I'm not having
to diet and I don't have allthese different things.
And now it's all of a suddenlike, yeah, I can go out, I
(34:01):
could go out on dates.
I feel different about myself.
My whole body feels different,like because what we've done is
we've helped care for yourfundamentals and now the other
emotions can come out, but alsovice versa, the emotion of okay,
well, I feel really bad aboutmyself because I've got this
story of whatever that came frommy childhood and then that can
(34:22):
keep your body locked in thatposture like we have.
I went to a training with Besselvan der Kolk, who's the guy who
wrote Body Keeps the ScoreAmazing 80-year-old trauma
psychologist, I love him and heshowed at the start videos of
shell-shocked soldiers, so backin the Vietnam War and actually
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how their physical body wouldwalk and it was almost like a
Parkinsonian light gate, whichis sort of like shuffling and
you're not really swinging,really swinging your arms.
Your face is quite still andyou're just like and you could
be like shaking and like like atrauma shake.
So it's like, okay, well, whathappened, what that scenario did
and the emotions affected thephysical body.
(35:05):
So we also know that in chinesemedicine it's okay, well, we
hold on to resentment or anger.
You can have liver andgallbladder issues.
So it's looking at it from bothsides, it impacts it from both
sides.
Kate Coomber (35:20):
So if you, you know you can do blood work, hair
testing, but I guess, justlooking at the fundamental
framework that you've spokenabout today, if people just want
to start leaning in to the ideaand the concept, maybe I guess,
unless you have testing, it'shard to understand exactly where
your body's at.
Are there things you talkedabout, the sunlight and various
(35:43):
things but where do people start?
Like what's the few things thatpeople could do?
If there's no big problem,that's sending them to get hair
testing or to the doctors butthey really want to embrace this
concept maybe and just learnmore and more aligned.
Obviously, read the book.
That'll get you started yes,but what do?
Um, yeah, what do they do?
Anthea Todd (36:02):
so?
If I were to give you one thingfor each of the fundamentals so
for the nervous system, it's'sspaciousness I would say
Spaciousness, and I'm going togive you two Spaciousness and
having that like, okay, I'mgoing to give myself pleasure of
some kind pleasure or playtoday.
That's my top priority.
(36:23):
Taking notes.
So, and that could be, you'redoing the same thing, but you're
going about it in a pleasurableor playful way.
Kate Coomber (36:30):
Yeah, so Can you give an example of that.
Practically so are you talkingabout?
I've still got to make dinner,but you know, I'm gonna have fun
making dinner.
Yeah, is that what you'replaying?
Music and dancing?
Anthea Todd (36:39):
yeah, so it's the same like I often say to my
patients and I've said it onlineI, I make a dance in the
mornings.
I love it, it's so good andit's interesting, because I
would do it and I'd like put upthe morning song.
And then it became a job for mebecause I was like, oh, I need
to put this up for all thepeople and all these things.
I'm like stopping it, stoppingdoing that.
Sam Miklos (36:58):
Where are you putting this up?
Where are you putting the nakeddance?
Oh, no, no, no, I'll be earningheaps of money.
I don't know, I was justputting up the song, I wasn't
putting a video up of me.
Okay, just clarifying.
Everyone will be like where isshe?
Where is she?
Anthea Todd (37:12):
Yes, but it was just paying attention to oh, now
this is all of a sudden beinglike I need to put this up.
It's not, it's a job, yeah, sogoing.
Oh no, actually not everythingin your I have to do this, then
that's not play.
That's not pleasure, so it'slike, oh, okay, what would feel
(37:34):
really good.
Yesterday I was walking on thebeach and I normally would
listen to a podcast or something.
I'm like, no, I'm going tolisten to this other playlist,
it's like a sensual playlist andI'm going to feel the sun on my
skin.
I was like, oh whoa, on a walk,right.
So that's where we're doingthose things, because we're
actually enjoying living ourlife, not thinking like our life
(37:55):
is a job that we have to geteverything done.
It's like because then what?
Then our life will be how itneeds to be, but then what
happens?
Particularly, if you're goalorientated, you get the thing,
and then you're like now what,instead of going, oh, I get to
get the thing, but also it's notabout get the thing.
And then you're like now what,instead of going, oh, I get to
get the thing, but also it's notabout even the thing, it's
about me enjoying it as I go.
(38:16):
Yeah, which is a switch to haveand that's a really powerful
switch for the nervous system Ican personally attest to that
that's not a new concept, rightlike it's no it's value driven
or goal.
Kate Coomber (38:26):
It's actually hard to put into practice, but it's
so simple right that we maybeunderestimate it.
Sam Miklos (38:29):
Yeah, and it's actually hard to put into
practice, but it's so simpleright that we maybe
underestimate it.
Anthea Todd (38:33):
Yeah, and it's literally it can be tiny things.
It is going oh, I'm doing thisand I'm doing it in a more
playful or pleasurable way.
I'm driving to work, but I'mgoing to blast the music and I'm
just going to sing.
There's something that I it'smy screensaver, my phone and
people always say like liveevery day like it's your last,
but it's like live every daylike it's your first, because if
it's your last, you might belike well, I'm going to blow all
(38:54):
my money and go through the redlights cheat on my husband like
whatever you decide to do, it'slike oh, no, live every day
like it's your first.
You're like oh, what would I do?
Sam Miklos (39:03):
Yeah, that's interesting, yeah, so what's?
It's the next fundamental, then.
So then, if we think aboutmetabolism, that's sunlight
would be the main thing.
Anthea Todd (39:11):
So morning, the first thing that's in your eyes
is sunlight, so avoiding bluelight.
Blue light is you want tominimize it, but you just want
to get the spectrum of the sunin the right order.
Like, if you think aboutsunrise, it's more of that
yellowy hue, it's bringing outdifferent wavelengths, and then
it's like more at the peak, it'sbrighter, it's bluer, it's more
of that yellowy hue, it'sbringing out different
wavelengths, and then it's likemore at the peak, it's more,
(39:32):
it's brighter, it's bluer, it'sdoing that and then it goes down
again.
It's the same thing.
We want to try and mimic that.
Uh, blood sugars, proteins andfats we want to be prioritizing
them.
Carbohydrates aren't the devil,but it's looking at.
Okay for me.
I just go.
Does this meal have protein andfat in it?
Great, because that's alsogoing to fill me up longer and
(39:56):
I'm not going to be like, oh mygosh, like why am I so ravished?
Or I'm so stressed that Icompletely forgot to eat, and
that happens to.
All right, but you know what I?
Kate Coomber (40:04):
don't worry, it happened to me the other day.
I woke up at five and didn'teat till 3 pm it's like when you
do that and then you start thisprotein, fats and I've tried to
do that.
It's so filling and I'mstruggling to eat.
Yeah, More often making surethey're like.
Anthea Todd (40:21):
So, ideally and this is it changes hormones like
leptin and all these thingswhich we won't get into.
But this is where it's likeokay, having the sunlight rhythm
set up in your day, but thenalso going.
Okay, having breakfast, havinglunch, having dinner, and if you
have meals that are wellbalanced, you often aren't like,
oh, I need that chocolate barat 3 pm or I need that like
(40:44):
coffee to keep me going.
I need those things because onewe've satiated that.
And then if we go into the lastfundamental, which is nutrients
, the one thing that I would sayis proper hydration, because a
lot of the times, if you aregetting that 3pm slump or you're
like, oh, wow, I really needthe coffee to wake me up in the
morning, it's often because wedon't have enough hydration with
electrolytes and our sunlightis off.
(41:06):
So because, if you think aboutyour cells like a bathtub full
of water, if you think aboutyour cell, your cells like a
bathtub full of water if you puta hair dryer in that, right,
but that's actually like I wantyou to think of that as actually
a good thing.
I don't want people to go dothat, but it's sort of like if
your cells are hydrated, soyou've got good water in there
and then the electrical currentis like that sun coming in.
(41:28):
It's like whoa, that's like asupercharge of energy.
Right, right, that's actuallyhow our cells generate the
energy.
So, proper hydration.
Often if you're someone that'slike, oh, I get really tired or
hungry at like 10 pm, in betweenbreakfast and lunch or in
between lunch and dinner, it'soften okay, have a look, did you
get enough fat and protein inthe meal that you ate?
And also have you hydrated Likehave and protein in the meal
(41:50):
that you ate, and also have youhydrated, like have an
electrolyte of some kind, andwait 20 minutes and see how you
feel.
you're like oh, that craving forthat chocolate bar, that
coffee's gone away yeah okay,because then you're not getting
the cheap energy that you'llneed and need and need and need
and need.
You're getting driven, orpossibly cheap energy from your
to-do list.
You're like I'll keep goingbecause I got everything done on
my to-do list, but that means Icould have done more okay, I'll
add more things on.
(42:10):
It's like you just create thiswhole cycle.
Sam Miklos (42:14):
What would you say?
Um, I mean, kate and I've gotyoung children, like we're
bringing up the next generationwith all of the things that you
know.
Now, how should we be parentingor talking to our children so
that these things are instilledand they don't get to their 40s
and start doing hair tests?
And I'm sure it'll be differentthere.
But you know, when you talkabout periods, oh, it's a heavy
(42:37):
period.
There's so many of thosemantras.
I think that we all grew upwith?
What can we shift to make itbetter for that next generation?
Anthea Todd (42:45):
I think it's getting curious about the body
and having the connection andtrust with it.
That's what I often think it'sinteresting with technology and
AI and how this is transforming,say, the education system.
Like what are they eventeaching in schools now?
Like the whole school system of, well, get good grades, do this
(43:05):
and then you can go touniversity.
It's like a lot of jobs now.
You don't even need to go touniversity Some, obviously, you
do.
If you're a doctor, I don'twant you to be trained by
chachapati, but it's, it's goingokay.
There's a lot of jobs thatactually this system doesn't
need, like it doesn't supportthat.
So then I thought, well, howare they actually going to
change the schooling system?
What would you teach?
(43:25):
And it's like how amazing andincredible would it be to teach
body autonomy, connecting toyour body and trusting that,
because the way society is goingso much information, as you
said, it's like you have at theclick of a finger.
Kate Coomber (43:39):
You can get as much information as you want and
misinformation, exactly.
Anthea Todd (43:44):
So this is the thing.
It's having discernment.
So it's going okay.
Yes, amazing, you've given meall this information, what feels
right for me, and it's thatthat's what I'd be teaching
every child, person, adult now,and even like now, that's what I
work on every single day.
(44:04):
It's boundaries, yeah, withyour life.
It's like, oh, I did thesethings.
Like, why did I even do that?
I knew I shouldn't have donethat.
How many times have we saidthat, like I knew that was going
to be a bad idea, but I did itanyway?
So it's having.
It's that it's helping our kidsconnect to and trust their body
and then taking the actionthat's in alignment with their
(44:27):
body, not necessarily what theyshould do, because it's
interesting even in yourquestion like what should we be
teaching our kids?
What should we do?
It's like a should is based ona societal perception giving us
the pressure to do it.
Sam Miklos (44:42):
Yeah, what will we?
Yes, yeah, what can we?
Yeah, I was going to say howcan we?
Anthea Todd (44:46):
Yeah, so I think ultimately it always comes back
to the body.
The yeah, so I think ultimatelyit always comes back to the
body.
The body's going to tell youwhether you like it or not.
It'll tell you in littlewhispers, like gut instincts.
Oh, that just feels like this.
I don't really know why.
That's often the energetics.
It's like I don't know why, butit's like it keeps coming at me
and it has to be this, likeit's just.
I don't know why, it doesn'tmake any sense, but that's what
(45:07):
it is.
And then sometimes it can bethe little bit louder whispers
of oh, my hair's falling out abit in the shower, but like, oh,
that happens to everyone, orI'm getting white spots on my
fingernails or dry skin or heavyperiods or irregular periods,
and oh, everyone just goes about, everyone just does the same
thing in the system.
I'll take the pill or have thisthing, but I know deep down
(45:32):
that it's not actually, why do I?
even have that like no one'sactually telling me why.
But when we listen to our bodyand we understand it using this
framework, it becomes mucheasier to go okay, I'm just
going to forget about the label,or forget chasing, it's a
hormonal thing, or I need to doa detox.
I need to do this, just go.
Okay.
How can I care for thefundamentals?
Just come back to spaciousness,pleasure, play, get your
(45:52):
sunlight, balance your proteinand fat, have some hydration and
literally just try that that,that really simplifies, doesn't
it?
like that's um just literallytry that that's really helpful I
think it seems like, oh yeah,but also it's often that stuff
that works, it's thefundamentals.
Kate Coomber (46:09):
For a reason, yeah but it's stuff everyone can.
Yeah, you watch me just slidingthrough.
I can't wait to see you and Ilike.
So yeah, I'll just be likelioness lioness that's gonna be
our word.
They're gonna think oh, thankyou so much.
Honestly, that has been sogreat.
(46:30):
Today, cmr are going to bedonating to a charity of your
choice with this episode Amazing, where can we be donating to?
Anthea Todd (46:37):
I'm going to donate to Rise Up.
So it's for family violence andI wanted to donate there
because it's one of the mainthings.
It's family violence.
So it's how we can bring up ourchildren in safe environments,
but also helping people havethose better boundaries, be able
to have better communication,get into a safe environment as
(46:58):
well.
So I think that's always goodfor everyone's health and body
and life.
Sam Miklos (47:03):
I love what they do.
What a great choice, anthea.
It's been incredible today.
I just literally am just like asponge listening to you.
Also, like you feel, seen, isthere anything before we wrap
that we haven't covered today?
Anthea Todd (47:18):
Yeah.
So when I developed thisframework, I developed it
because I was like, how do Ihelp these people that are lost
in the space between?
And I have so many otherfriends that are practitioners
and colleagues that are like,how do I help doing this?
So, if you're a practitionerlistening and you're a nurse, a
midwife, a chiropractor,osteopath, OT, I have GPs,
(47:40):
psychiatrists that want tounderstand the body through this
framework, I have practitionertraining, so we have live events
coming next year.
But there's an online componentnow that you can start, called
Core Fundamentals, so you canfind that on the website.
But I really feel like that isan important thing to do,
because what's happening andwhat we see like we spoke with
(48:01):
ChatGPT is that a lot of peoplethat come to me now they're like
, oh yeah, I put my resultsthrough ChatGPT or I put my
symptoms through and it'stelling me this, which it's an
amazing tool, right.
But we also need to be able tohave practitioners and people
that can view context and viewhistory and the person right in
(48:22):
front of them and understand itfrom this 360 view, using that
fundamental framework.
So that's what I'd love toshare as well.
Sam Miklos (48:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
We've got such a huge community, I think so many people would
be so interested to hear that,and particularly that a nurse
like you just mentioned all ofour practitioners that we work
with too.
Like that'll be fascinating.
Anthea Todd (48:41):
I have so many nurses interested in in doing
this because, yeah, you'd seeyou, you develop that
relationship with patients.
I know I didn't even touch onit, but I had heart surgery when
I was a teenager and I stilldistinctly remember the nurses
that I had.
Like they, they are the peoplethat I remember yeah, because
they.
I was a young teenager in a roomby myself.
My parents couldn't stay withme.
It was like a scary thing.
(49:02):
It was like they made you feelsafe and seen, and that's what
they're doing to every patient,so it's it's helping educate you
as well.
So then you can be like, oh,they're getting discharged and
maybe like they could helpthemselves in these ways.
Sam Miklos (49:14):
So, yeah, it's really cool and you've got a
special gift for our community.
What is that?
Anthea Todd (49:20):
yes, so we are offering a discount on the hair
test.
So, if anyone is interested,it's called test your
fundamentals, obviously becauseyou get to know what your
fundamentals are doing.
And, yeah, it's on our website.
You'll be able to see thediscount code in the show notes.
Sam Miklos (49:33):
And, to be clear, the hair test.
You have to cut a piece of hair.
Kate Coomber (49:37):
It was an interesting day.
It was an interesting day.
Sam Miklos (49:38):
We have a girl that works for us, who used to be a
hairdresser, and we gave her apair of kitchen scissors and
said rip in right at the back ifyou could Did you watch the
video.
I didn't.
Kate Coomber (49:50):
I trusted her and as she went to do, it.
Sam Miklos (49:52):
I said this could go really bad if you really hate
me, and she laughed and said itwasn't something I thought I'd
be doing at work today, butlet's have a go.
Anthea Todd (49:59):
Well, it's perfect that you had a hairdresser.
I got my mum to do my first oneand she kitchen scissors
shanked it.
Kate Coomber (50:05):
Well, yes, because I think we just assumed we'd be
doing a bit of this.
Sam Miklos (50:08):
And then, when we saw the pictures in the diagram,
it's like, oh, it's actuallyfrom the root.
It's from the root, it's fromthe scalp.
Yeah, because that's the threemonths you cut the whole piece
out.
Anthea Todd (50:15):
Yes, and then you keep the three centimetres and
it covers the size of a 20-centpiece.
So if you put the hair acrossit it's like oh, you can, I've
done over five and I still have.
I was going to say you've gotluscious hair.
What about guys, though?
Sam Miklos (50:33):
My husband.
I want to get him done, butit's too short.
Anthea Todd (50:35):
Yeah, so this is what you can collect it over
time.
Right, so you can be like okay,well, if it's, if he gets like
really like number one at theback down here you can be like
okay, we're going to get thatand then we're going to collect
more because it's the weight.
You have to have enough weightto test it, because they test it
three times for quality controland all the different things.
So you can do that.
I used to have male housematesand they did it, so I got some
(50:57):
from the underneath, which wascloser, and then I took some
from the top.
So it was sort of like a threecentimetre average without like
cutting whole three centimetresfrom the top, obviously shaving
it Underarms.
Kate Coomber (51:06):
You can use underarms.
I did giggle, it didn't have tobe from the head no, yeah.
Anthea Todd (51:10):
So basically best is scalp right.
Next is chest.
Yeah, women obviously don'thave much chest hair but men
sometimes do armpit, then pubicright if you are using other
forms of hair, you need toreally thoroughly wash it yeah
because often, like for instancewith pubic hair, like soap
residue builds up on it and itcan throw off different levels
(51:33):
that are showing up.
So it's always but like we'llbe able to see what type of hair
sample it is on the test.
Sam Miklos (51:39):
But, yeah, scalp is best Fantastic.
No, it's been.
We've found it insightful.
We now got a lot of work to dowith you, slowly, slowly
chipping away Just slowly,slowly, slowly.
You slowly slowly chipping away, slowly, slowly.
But thank you, it has been anabsolute pleasure to have you
here today and what a greatconversation.
Kate Coomber (51:54):
Thank you so much for having me girls we
acknowledge the traditionalcustodians of the land of which
we meet who, for centuries, haveshared ancient methods of
healing and cared for theircommunities.
We pay our respects to elders,past and present.
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