October 29, 2024 • 28 mins
Marie Davey, an inspiring figure in the world of remote area nursing, joins us to share her extraordinary journey. From starting her nursing career in New South Wales in the 1980s to embracing the challenges and adventures of remote area nursing in Australia, Marie has become a symbol of resilience and adaptability. Listen as she recounts her memorable experiences, such as navigating to a placement by mail truck and tinnie during the wet season.
Marie brings to life the diverse responsibilities of remote nurses, who often serve as the sole healthcare resource in their communities. With hands-on experience in various fields from maternity to corrections health, Marie highlights the essential training and support needed to succeed in remote nursing roles. Her personal story illuminates the unique challenges faced, emphasising the need for a solid mentorship network, especially for those just beginning their remote nursing careers.
Through Marie's reflections, we explore the importance of building trust and the rewards of making a difference in isolated locations. She offers invaluable advice for aspiring nurses to remain open and curious, while also sharing insights into the lifestyle changes and job security challenges that come with contract work. This episode celebrates the transformative experience of remote nursing, where personal growth meets the opportunity to contribute significantly to communities in need.
This episode of It Takes Heart has CEO of cmr Sam Miklos hosting alongside Head of Talent and Employer Branding, Kate Coomber.
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Sam Miklos (00:19):
Welcome to it Takes Heart.
I'm Sam Miklos and I'm KateCoomber.
We hope you enjoy theseincredible stories of healthcare
professionals making adifference in communities across
Australia and beyond.
Through our conversations, welook to celebrate the spirit of
community and care.
We acknowledge the traditionalcustodians of the land who have
long practised and sharedancient methods of healing,
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providing care and support fortheir communities with wisdom
passed down through generations.
Kate Coomber (00:46):
Join us as we explore what it truly means to
take heart.
Sam Miklos (00:55):
So our guest today is full of life.
Marie Davey is the epitome ofremote area nursing.
Adaptable, resilient, with adiverse skill set and a great
sense of humour ensures that shecan navigate the complexities
of healthcare in remote andsometimes pretty harsh
environments.
Mari began nursing in New SouthWales in the 80s, at a time
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when you were trained on the job.
She's been helping and healingpatients throughout several
decades, which then led her toremote area nursing.
Her initial foray into remotenursing was a stint in FIFO work
in 2019, and then it was fullsteam ahead, with her husband,
peter, at her side, where theywere adventure across Indigenous
communities in the NorthernTerritory.
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Mari particularly enjoyscontracts about eight weeks or
less, so she can stay fresh andenergised for her patients
whilst also taking in thosebeautiful landscapes that so
many of us Aussies miss out on.
Mari is finally living thedream that she had as a child
discovering remote areas ofAustralia in amongst our First
Nations people.
The team at Cornerstonedescribe Mari as one of the most
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easygoing, fun, resilient anddedicated rands who will
literally do anything to get toa placement, including and I
can't believe this story ridingthe local mail truck and a tinny
to get to a placement in aremote community.
I think we should start there.
I firstly welcome Mari to theit Takes Half podcast.
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Can we start with that story?
Marie Davey (02:23):
Well, I guess it's a case of you know, when people
don't actually know how remoteremote is, and when a community
is cut off in the wet season andyou get to the contractor who's
supposed to get you there on abus, and they go.
There's no bus, it's wet season, but the mail vehicle's going
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out, yep out yep, and yes, theyget you onto that um vehicle, uh
, which is a four-wheel drive,which, yes, had to go through
quite a bit of water to get getus to the clinic at daily river.
Sam Miklos (02:56):
Yeah yeah, talk about commitment.
So I believe you've justcompleted a contract in Palumpa
in NT, is that right?
Absolutely beautiful I was justgoing to say everyone says it's
just beautiful up there.
I guess can you first justshare with us what is a remote
area nurse and what's the roleof the RAN in the community for
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those who aren't familiar.
Marie Davey (03:21):
So remote in itself can be anywhere from an hour
from Darwin to well.
I think the furthest I've beenis six hours southwest of
Catherine.
But these are places that ourlocal First Nations people live,
yep, and they don't have ahospital, they have a clinic.
So a remote nurse goes andworks in that clinic.
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It's basically an eight to fivejob and then there's an on-call
roster 24-7.
So nurses are called in to dothat.
Our main reason for being thereis for primary health care.
So you're looking aftermedications.
You're not just a nurse, you'rethe pharmacist.
You're dispensing theirmedications that come from the
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pharmacy.
You're not just a nurse, you'rethe pharmacist.
You're dispensing theirmedications that come from the
pharmacy.
You are the first aider.
You're patching up the kids,you're patching up adults,
you're doing the immunisations.
You're pretty much doingeverything.
Sam Miklos (04:18):
And are you supported by other healthcare
professionals or are you solenurse in these positions?
Marie Davey (04:22):
No, I've not personally worked in a sole
nurse environment.
Palumpa was three nurses, salwas the manager and two other
nurses.
The GP would come in everyWednesday, fly in every
Wednesday with a registrardoctor and then, other than that
, you had a doctor on call.
So if you needed the doctor,you would ring them.
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At other times we follow theCARPA manual, which is the
standard manual of practice forthe Northern Territory, and if
there's something that's not inthere that you need to talk to a
doctor about, then that's whenyou would ring what we call the
DMO or the district medicalofficer.
Sam Miklos (05:02):
So you dived into the world of remote area nursing
in 2019.
What was your nursing careerlike before that?
What areas did you practice in?
Marie Davey (05:11):
The majority of my time was spent in.
I did 15 years in maternity,wow, and then got out of that.
I got a bit burnt out in thatand then I went into in-home
care.
I went from there to aged care,then into general practice and
I think general practiceprobably set me up the best for
remote, because it is primaryhealth care as well.
(05:33):
Yeah, and at that point I didlike my immunisation certificate
.
I did well women's screening, Idid sexual and reproductive
health, so ear management, solots of things there that was
setting me up.
From there I went tocorrections health and then
community health before I leftthere.
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And yeah, would you say like onthat.
I was going to say, my firstplacement was at Timber Creek,
the first remote placement.
Sam Miklos (06:06):
Yeah, and how easy was that transition?
Because all of those skillsthat you've just listed right
there, like that is such adiverse skill set.
You know a lot of RNs might nothave all of those skills coming
into remote, Particularly thedispensing medications and
things like that.
Like how easy was thattransition.
Marie Davey (06:25):
Look, it's terrifying anyway, I bet Any
change.
If you're working in thehospital and you're working on a
medical ward and you'resuddenly going off to the
surgical ward, it's terrifyingbecause it's a different field.
So remote nursing was again adifferent field and I thought I
knew a lot about nursing until Igot remote.
Kate Coomber (06:44):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot about nursing until I
got remote.
Marie Davey (06:46):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot Remote nursing is a
whole different ballgamecompletely.
Can I ask?
Kate Coomber (06:51):
I guess, what drove you to do it.
Then it's very different.
You've done some vast thingsacross nursing, but what was
really the thing that spurredyou on to do it?
Did I hear from, maybe, theteam that you'd been dreaming
about living remote since?
Marie Davey (07:07):
you were little.
Yeah, so my very best friend,who is also a nurse and she
works in Dubbo, still nursing wealways we wanted to be
Aboriginal.
When we were children, wewanted to be Indigenous.
We had our own little languagethat no one else understood.
I don't know that we understoodit either.
Kate Coomber (07:29):
I think we just had a connection.
Marie Davey (07:32):
And knew what each other wanted.
We were neighbours.
We've been friends all of ourlives.
So, yes, for 61 years we'vebeen friends, wow.
And then I went nursing, gotmarried, so it was sort of out
of the picture.
It was always in my background,always at the back of my mind.
My children left home.
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My marriage broke down.
I met a new partner.
I'd said to him that that waswhat I wanted to do and he went.
Go for it, he and very muchencouraged me to do my maternity
emergency care course, um, theremote emergency care course, uh
, the advanced life support andpharmacotherapeutics.
Sam Miklos (08:15):
so they're four courses that you pretty much
have to have and yourimmunization yeah, yeah, I was
going to ask you is there anyother study that you had to do?
Or they were the main fourthings.
Marie Davey (08:26):
They're the main ones that you needed to do.
Sam Miklos (08:28):
I think nearly every agency that you will talk to
will request those things Isthere anything so that, now that
you have been doing this rolefor a while, is there any other
courses in addition to thosefour that you think, oh gosh,
like they would really help youalong the way?
Marie Davey (08:44):
I since have done my long acting reversible
contraception course.
Yeah, so I'm inserting planonsinto women and remove them.
That's one I've done since I'vebeen in the Northern Territory.
There's a huge focus onemergency stuff, but very little
of what we do is emergency.
(09:05):
It is mostly primary care,right, and there's certainly a
lot that you will learn on thejob.
Simply because you don't knowwhat day today is going to bring
.
The majority of nurses wouldn'tknow how to look in an ear, but
you can learn that on the job.
Kate Coomber (09:23):
Yeah.
Asking another nurse, askingthe doctor, and I guess getting
to a clinic that can reallysupport you when you get out to
those communities.
I guess, if you're steppinginto that for the first time,
how important is that for you tohave support around you to make
you feel confident?
Essential, yeah.
Marie Davey (09:41):
Essential.
I was very blessed and there isone of the girls that I worked
with at Timber Creek, kimmy.
I still give her big hugsbecause I say to her without her
, yeah, she really was my mentorto remote.
Kate Coomber (09:56):
I guess that could really be quite critical to
make you decide yeah, I can dothis and let's keep going with
various contracts.
Marie Davey (10:02):
And I think too absolutely if you go remote and
you have a bad first experienceyou're not likely to hurry back.
Kate Coomber (10:09):
True, so that it is important yeah, what's
probably been the biggestsurprise for you, as you've
thought about it all your lifeand now you're doing it.
But I guess in those initialtimes, what surprised you the
most?
Marie Davey (10:24):
Well, after 39 years of nursing, you think you
know everything.
Yeah, a bit like being ateenager I went right and I
thought I knew everything.
And then I realised I knewnothing about remote nursing or
indigenous people, rheumaticheart disease.
I knew nothing.
How do you get it?
How do you treat it?
Yeah, I was horr.
How do you get it, how do youtreat it?
(10:44):
Yeah, I was horrified that wewere jabbing people with
penicillin injections becausethey had a sore throat.
Oh wow, I'd just come fromworking, also in an after hours
clinic that you know,predominantly you got a lot of
sore throats and earachesbecause that's when mum and dad
got home from work and the kidswere sick, yeah, and couldn't
wait till tomorrow.
(11:04):
So we used to see a lot ofthose.
You'd be giving them oralantibiotics, but not in the NT,
yeah, because if you don't treatthem with that penicillin
they're going to get rheumaticheart disease.
And what about?
Sam Miklos (11:16):
with, like you were saying there in that cultural
awareness piece, because youhadn't worked with First Nations
people.
How was that transition for you?
Marie Davey (11:26):
Look, I personally didn't have a big problem with
the cultural side of it.
I don't know.
I just treat everybody the sameand I've learned to have a few
jokes with people and I'velearnt to be a bit crazy.
My uniform dress I wear longcompression socks, some of them
have got unicorns on them andsome of them have got flamingos,
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and I've just been given a pairthat have got giraffes on them.
I tend to find I can be a bitof an icebreaker.
Kate Coomber (12:02):
I can be a bit of an icebreaker.
I can walk into a room that'sserious and suddenly they're all
pointing at that nurse and lookat her, she's crazy.
Marie Davey (12:10):
It just changes the whole dynamics of it.
So culturally I haven't reallysaid I just love it.
Every community I've been to isdifferent because it's, you
know, a different clan or adifferent area, so they have
different cultural things thatare relevant to their area.
Kate Coomber (12:32):
Yeah.
Marie Davey (12:33):
And so it's amazing to be able to talk to people
and you know what?
Happens here and what happensthere and yeah, yeah.
Kate Coomber (12:40):
And having worked across quite a few communities
now in those years, do you lookback and think this is the
impact that I've had?
Or, you know, can you reallysee the impact of you going into
that community?
Marie Davey (12:54):
Unfortunately, you don't see a big impact.
But I think what keeps me goingis that I know it's the little
steps.
Yeah, like every baby, I do animmunization for I know that
child is not going to grow upwith hepatitis b.
Yeah, it's not going to getcirrhosis of the liver from that
hepatitis b and it's not goingto get cancer from the hepatitis
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b and that is huge impact itmight not feel like day-to-day,
but that is, yeah, that issignificant, and that it might
not feel like day to day, butthat is, yeah, that is
significant.
And that's the other advantagethat I find with doing the eight
weeks is that it gives you longenough to build rapport with
the people in that community aswell.
Yeah, and so they might havebeen a bit reluctant to get
those needles done, but fourweeks down the track they've
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seen you a couple of times andthey now trust you and okay,
we'll have that.
Yeah, we'll do that.
So I was just gonna say go on,no, go on, you go so you know
it's not major inroads into anyof the closing the gap stuff,
but you've got to look at thelittle things that do make a
difference.
Sam Miklos (13:56):
Yeah, yeah, that one step at a time.
Marie, what advice, then, wouldyou give?
You know, if an RN'sconsidering that step into
remote area nursing, what arethe things that they should be
aware of?
Maybe the things you wish youknew before you went going?
You know what are the benefits,but then what are the
challenges?
Because you know, like you said, if you have, if you don't have
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, the greatest first experience,you might not want to go back.
So what should they be aware of?
Marie Davey (14:23):
that they don't know everything.
They need to ask questions.
They need to be really that newnurse again and just ask, ask,
ask.
You cannot assume anything.
The minute you start assumingyou know what you're doing,
you're going going to end up introuble.
Yeah, it's so much easier tofix things before it's a problem
(14:43):
.
Yeah, then after you create one, yeah.
So yeah, definitely, if anyoneis considering it, go for it
because it is just, it'slife-changing to me.
Yeah, yeah, apart from what Imight be contributing to the
community, it's life-changing tothe nurses that get out there,
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and you know, I've met so manybeautiful people.
It sounds like To see ourbeautiful country and I'm
getting paid to do that.
Kate Coomber (15:13):
Yeah, it sounds, you know, like a really
connected community we're goingto discuss with you.
I've heard that sometimesattracting people to these
communities, isolation, can be aproblem or a barrier for people
to think that they can go outthere.
But we understand that you takePeter with you, is that right?
(15:33):
Yeah, on contract, you know, Iguess that that maybe solves
that problem there.
But what do you think aboutthat?
Or what's been theaccommodation like?
Has it been difficult to bringhim with you, or is it not a
problem?
Marie Davey (15:47):
Hasn't been a problem for me at this point in
time.
Mind you, my next contract.
I won't have him with mebecause he's in the US at the
moment.
Okay, but that's because we'venow got such a good life balance
that I'm volunteering to go andhelp a friend in America.
Kate Coomber (16:05):
Yeah, because I think sometimes when people are
going to a hospital setting,perhaps the accommodation isn't
available for them to take apartner.
But when you're going remoteyou've got that opportunity a
lot of the time to take apartner, which maybe is
something people don't realiseand think it might be out of
bounds for them because of that,but in most cases do you find
that that's possible Very?
Marie Davey (16:27):
very possible, and if there's not work?
Pete's never been without workin a community.
Sam Miklos (16:32):
What sort of work does he do?
What does he do?
Marie Davey (16:33):
Yeah, tell us about that.
Well, mostly he's managed toget work in the clinics, either
as a driver or as a gardener ora cleaner.
He painted the clinic at DalyRiver.
Yeah, I remember that he had nothad an update for 25 years and
he's managed to gurney and paintthe exterior of the clinic for
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the first time in 25 years.
Yeah, wow, on Bathurst Islandthere wasn't work at the clinic,
but he picked up clinic, uh,picked up work with um, one of
the women's organizations upthere.
He was doing some maintenancework for them.
Yeah, um, so there is.
And like when we're in largeamana he could have had six jobs
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.
Oh, my god, you're like aremote power couple.
Well, it's just you've got toget out there and make yourself
known.
Yeah, you know, there's oftenwork at post offices or shops or
cleaning of council quarters oryou know, none of it's
glamorous, no, but it's allcontributing, but if you can be,
together, then it's great.
Sam Miklos (17:37):
And do you do back-to-back contracts?
Because I know you're also apart-time grandmother as well
and you mentioned there beforethat this remote area nursing
has really allowed you both tohave a really great lifestyle.
Is it a couple of weeks on,couple of weeks off?
Does that?
Did that make you nervous aswell?
Stepping into contract work isthere going to be enough work
for me?
Job security Stepping in.
Marie Davey (18:00):
It was terrifying.
I've always been an organisedperson and financially included,
and to be throwing in a jobhere not knowing how much work
was available I didn't even knowwhat the pay rate was.
I didn't ask when I started.
I was too scared.
I just wanted to do it andpeople told me it was okay, so
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it must have been started.
Yeah, yeah, I was too scared, Ijust wanted to do it and people
told me it was okay, so it musthave been okay.
Yeah, yeah, and so that wasterrifying.
My first contract was asix-week contract because I
figured that I would either loveit or hate it in that six weeks
.
If I hated it, I could hang itout for six weeks.
Yeah, if I loved it, it waslong enough to get my teeth into
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it and know that that was whatI wanted to do.
Um, and no, I don't doback-to-back contracts purely
because I do one a while.
They come home and see mygrandbabies and I've got 12
between us, wow, oh, my goodness.
Or we want to travel, so we'vebeen blessed enough.
We We've spent a month aroundUluru and Alice Springs and done
the East and West MacdonaldRanges, we've done the
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Kimberleys, we've been over toCairns.
You know, we've done lots oftravelling apart from coming
home.
So, and the fact that we'retogether, doesn't matter where
we are, we're together.
Sam Miklos (19:17):
Yeah, that's amazing .
Marie Davey (19:19):
So, and you know, like my eldest daughter, whose
house I'm sitting in at themoment, when are you coming home
, mum?
You were only going for 12months and I said, well, I'm not
coming home, but she's had ababy nearly two years ago and I
could spend seven weeks with herwhen she had that birth.
Yeah, at the moment I'm nowhome for six weeks.
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Yeah, I would never have thatquality time with these children
if I was working a conventionaljob here.
Sam Miklos (19:46):
Yeah, yeah, so special for the grandbabies and
your own children, theremuneration of working remote
is phenomenal.
Marie Davey (19:53):
It's just wonderful .
Yeah, that's amazing.
So you know it does give youthat.
Sam Miklos (20:05):
It's given me a far better life-work balance than I
would have ever dreamt couldpossibly be there and the remote
area nursing community I knowthat sort of research is sort of
suggesting that the next coupleof years a lot of our RANDs
will be looking to retire andthere's a little bit of a gap in
the workforce.
How do you think we couldattract more RANDs into these
roles, or is there anything thatwe're not doing to get more
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RANDs into these roles?
Marie Davey (20:28):
Unfortunately, that decline in nursing is not just
remote.
Kate Coomber (20:32):
It's everywhere Across the board Everywhere.
Marie Davey (20:35):
It costs too much.
They seriously need to thinkabout the hexstead that people
end up with.
That is a major hurdle.
I personally do not have adegree in anything.
I've never been to university.
I am hospital trained.
I did not do a bridging course.
I was too scared yeah, stilltoo scared.
Lots of certificates but noactual degrees or whatever.
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So for people to come remotethey don't have to have all the
pieces of paper that you knowlots of degrees or you know
population health degrees andall that sort of stuff.
So they possibly aren't awareof that either.
And I do think that sometimeswhen you look at job
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advertisements they're a bitover the top and I think a
conversation with people is moreimportant than what's written
in an ad.
Kate Coomber (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like maybe the person who
wants to help these communitiesfor the right reasons might be
the most important trait whenlooking for a RAN, or the type
of people to go in to this lineof work, versus the pieces of
paper.
Marie Davey (21:43):
Absolutely.
But they've also got to realisethat they're not going to
change the world in a day.
Yes, it is those tiny littlesteps that make the difference.
Yeah.
Sam Miklos (21:54):
That you know when we talk about the differences
when we're remote, you know, ifwe've got a Gold Coast RN who's
going remote, you know I'm surethat they would experience a bit
of a shock in terms of theservices they've got access to
the equipment.
Is there anything that you cantalk to that point about?
Marie Davey (22:13):
No, she's a nurse.
Any nurse that is going remotehas to be comfortable with their
own time.
Yep, because you are isolated,you can be in communities where
the other nurses want nothing todo with you out of hours,
because you've just spent eighthours together.
Yeah, yeah, so you have to makeyour own entertainment.
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Yeah, I take jigsaws, I read, Icrochet yeah, so my port has
often got more stuff in it thanclothes yeah yeah, and that's
with Peter, with me, and I dodot art and things like that.
That doesn't weigh a lot and youcan't put it.
And you've got to be able toget out there and, you know, do
a bit of walking or exercise tokeep yourself mentally and
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physically healthy.
Yeah, yeah, to keep yourselfmentally and physically healthy,
yeah, yeah.
So, as far as going remote,it's just such an amazing
experience and I I can guaranteeyou 99% of the population would
have no idea what it's about.
How to get into it.
Yeah, I think too that, like,the ongoing professional
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development you've got to do isvery expensive.
Yes, so, unless you are goingto do almost continuous remote,
you couldn't do it, like if youwere looking at going remote and
thinking because when I firststarted I thought, oh, maybe I
can just do, you know, my threeweeks and you will leave.
Yeah, but you can't do thatbecause you would only get two
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stints or three stints in a yearor two years and you've paid
out thousands of dollars forthose meck and reck and so you
really have to be that career,Anne.
You have to have a career, youhave to make it a career to make
it worthwhile.
Sam Miklos (24:00):
Yeah, Murray looking back on your remote career, is
there one moment that reallystands out for you?
That's been a really memorablemoment or something that you
think, oh, that was just.
Marie Davey (24:21):
No, it's all just been so good in that.
To get that work-life balanceis just amazing.
You know I've delivered a prembaby on Groote Island at 34
weeks.
Wow, now, if that mum hadn'thad help, she'd have been in
trouble.
Yeah, I wasn't on my own,granted.
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You know, when you've gotsomeone in prem lab, you get the
whole team in.
But I was there and you know,helped her through that and
evac'd her on the plane becausethey still go into Darwin.
The prem baby had to go intoDarwin but to know you've got it
to that plane and that baby ispink and warm and sweet you know
it's blood sugar's fine andthings like that.
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There's just so many amazingthings that can go wrong.
They don't always go wrong,yeah.
Kate Coomber (25:10):
Yeah, I guess the research shows the outcomes for
remote health versus the accessyou've got to resources at a
metro area, and I think thatthat just showcases the impact
of you and all the healthcareprofessionals like you who are
working in these remote areas,of how you can impact the
community.
Because you're right, if youweren't there, if the team
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weren't there, then that's avery different story.
So I think everyone's gratefulfor the work that you do Now
today.
Marie Davey (25:43):
I'm grateful that it's there because it just yeah,
it's changed my life and it'schanged Peter's life and down
the track, like it's the rippleeffect.
It's the quality of time I dohave with my grandchildren.
Kate Coomber (25:54):
Absolutely, absolutely Well.
Look, you've clearly had hugeimpact, particularly in that top
end area of Australia over thelast few years.
We would love this podcast toensure that every guest has a
bit of a platform, I guess, toshine a light on a charity close
to your heart.
Cmr are donating $500 to thatcharity during this podcast.
(26:16):
What charity would you like totalk to today?
Marie Davey (26:20):
I think that should go to Beyond Blue.
Mental health and suicideprevention is such a major thing
, not just in those top endFirst Nations communities, but
everywhere yeah and I just thinkthat they do such a phenomenal
job that that $500 would be wellspent with them.
Kate Coomber (26:44):
Yeah, thank you.
Look, it's so wonderful to notonly donate that money but also
just raise awareness to thesecharities that each of our
guests are talking to today.
So thank you for that.
Mari, when I first reached outto you, you responded and said
that if you could inspire onenurse from this podcast to work
remotely, then this would beworth your time, and I think
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that there's no doubt thatyou've certainly done that today
, and I'd say, a few more thanthat too.
So thank you so much for yourtime.
You've been so generous um toshare all of your wisdom over
the your course of your career.
Sam Miklos (27:17):
Thank you so much thank you, too, for what you've
contributed to Cornerstone.
You know you've been such ajust an advocate and and so
forthcoming and generous withyour time and your thoughts and
your ideas and, um, you know youare the frontline right.
We learn so much from you andyour thoughts and your ideas.
And you know you are thefrontline right, we learn so
much from you and yourexperience.
So we're just so grateful tohave equally had the opportunity
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had you read that email and getback in touch with the team and
have that opportunity to workwith you all these years.
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an episode.
Thank you.
Welcome to it Takes Heart.
I'm Sam Miklos and I'm KateCoomber.
We hope you enjoy theseincredible stories of healthcare
professionals making adifference in communities across
Australia and beyond.
Through our conversations, welook to celebrate the spirit of
community and care.
We acknowledge the traditionalcustodians of the land who have
long practised and sharedancient methods of healing,
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providing care and support fortheir communities with wisdom
passed down through generations.
Kate Coomber (00:46):
Join us as we explore what it truly means to
take heart.
Sam Miklos (00:55):
So our guest today is full of life.
Marie Davey is the epitome ofremote area nursing.
Adaptable, resilient, with adiverse skill set and a great
sense of humour ensures that shecan navigate the complexities
of healthcare in remote andsometimes pretty harsh
environments.
Mari began nursing in New SouthWales in the 80s, at a time
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when you were trained on the job.
She's been helping and healingpatients throughout several
decades, which then led her toremote area nursing.
Her initial foray into remotenursing was a stint in FIFO work
in 2019, and then it was fullsteam ahead, with her husband,
peter, at her side, where theywere adventure across Indigenous
communities in the NorthernTerritory.
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Mari particularly enjoyscontracts about eight weeks or
less, so she can stay fresh andenergised for her patients
whilst also taking in thosebeautiful landscapes that so
many of us Aussies miss out on.
Mari is finally living thedream that she had as a child
discovering remote areas ofAustralia in amongst our First
Nations people.
The team at Cornerstonedescribe Mari as one of the most
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easygoing, fun, resilient anddedicated rands who will
literally do anything to get toa placement, including and I
can't believe this story ridingthe local mail truck and a tinny
to get to a placement in aremote community.
I think we should start there.
I firstly welcome Mari to theit Takes Half podcast.
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Can we start with that story?
Marie Davey (02:23):
Well, I guess it's a case of you know, when people
don't actually know how remoteremote is, and when a community
is cut off in the wet season andyou get to the contractor who's
supposed to get you there on abus, and they go.
There's no bus, it's wet season, but the mail vehicle's going
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out, yep out yep, and yes, theyget you onto that um vehicle, uh
, which is a four-wheel drive,which, yes, had to go through
quite a bit of water to get getus to the clinic at daily river.
Sam Miklos (02:56):
Yeah yeah, talk about commitment.
So I believe you've justcompleted a contract in Palumpa
in NT, is that right?
Absolutely beautiful I was justgoing to say everyone says it's
just beautiful up there.
I guess can you first justshare with us what is a remote
area nurse and what's the roleof the RAN in the community for
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those who aren't familiar.
Marie Davey (03:21):
So remote in itself can be anywhere from an hour
from Darwin to well.
I think the furthest I've beenis six hours southwest of
Catherine.
But these are places that ourlocal First Nations people live,
yep, and they don't have ahospital, they have a clinic.
So a remote nurse goes andworks in that clinic.
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It's basically an eight to fivejob and then there's an on-call
roster 24-7.
So nurses are called in to dothat.
Our main reason for being thereis for primary health care.
So you're looking aftermedications.
You're not just a nurse, you'rethe pharmacist.
You're dispensing theirmedications that come from the
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pharmacy.
You're not just a nurse, you'rethe pharmacist.
You're dispensing theirmedications that come from the
pharmacy.
You are the first aider.
You're patching up the kids,you're patching up adults,
you're doing the immunisations.
You're pretty much doingeverything.
Sam Miklos (04:18):
And are you supported by other healthcare
professionals or are you solenurse in these positions?
Marie Davey (04:22):
No, I've not personally worked in a sole
nurse environment.
Palumpa was three nurses, salwas the manager and two other
nurses.
The GP would come in everyWednesday, fly in every
Wednesday with a registrardoctor and then, other than that
, you had a doctor on call.
So if you needed the doctor,you would ring them.
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At other times we follow theCARPA manual, which is the
standard manual of practice forthe Northern Territory, and if
there's something that's not inthere that you need to talk to a
doctor about, then that's whenyou would ring what we call the
DMO or the district medicalofficer.
Sam Miklos (05:02):
So you dived into the world of remote area nursing
in 2019.
What was your nursing careerlike before that?
What areas did you practice in?
Marie Davey (05:11):
The majority of my time was spent in.
I did 15 years in maternity,wow, and then got out of that.
I got a bit burnt out in thatand then I went into in-home
care.
I went from there to aged care,then into general practice and
I think general practiceprobably set me up the best for
remote, because it is primaryhealth care as well.
(05:33):
Yeah, and at that point I didlike my immunisation certificate
.
I did well women's screening, Idid sexual and reproductive
health, so ear management, solots of things there that was
setting me up.
From there I went tocorrections health and then
community health before I leftthere.
(05:55):
And yeah, would you say like onthat.
I was going to say, my firstplacement was at Timber Creek,
the first remote placement.
Sam Miklos (06:06):
Yeah, and how easy was that transition?
Because all of those skillsthat you've just listed right
there, like that is such adiverse skill set.
You know a lot of RNs might nothave all of those skills coming
into remote, Particularly thedispensing medications and
things like that.
Like how easy was thattransition.
Marie Davey (06:25):
Look, it's terrifying anyway, I bet Any
change.
If you're working in thehospital and you're working on a
medical ward and you'resuddenly going off to the
surgical ward, it's terrifyingbecause it's a different field.
So remote nursing was again adifferent field and I thought I
knew a lot about nursing until Igot remote.
Kate Coomber (06:44):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot about nursing until I
got remote.
Marie Davey (06:46):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot Remote nursing is a
whole different ballgamecompletely.
Can I ask?
Kate Coomber (06:51):
I guess, what drove you to do it.
Then it's very different.
You've done some vast thingsacross nursing, but what was
really the thing that spurredyou on to do it?
Did I hear from, maybe, theteam that you'd been dreaming
about living remote since?
Marie Davey (07:07):
you were little.
Yeah, so my very best friend,who is also a nurse and she
works in Dubbo, still nursing wealways we wanted to be
Aboriginal.
When we were children, wewanted to be Indigenous.
We had our own little languagethat no one else understood.
I don't know that we understoodit either.
Kate Coomber (07:29):
I think we just had a connection.
Marie Davey (07:32):
And knew what each other wanted.
We were neighbours.
We've been friends all of ourlives.
So, yes, for 61 years we'vebeen friends, wow.
And then I went nursing, gotmarried, so it was sort of out
of the picture.
It was always in my background,always at the back of my mind.
My children left home.
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My marriage broke down.
I met a new partner.
I'd said to him that that waswhat I wanted to do and he went.
Go for it, he and very muchencouraged me to do my maternity
emergency care course, um, theremote emergency care course, uh
, the advanced life support andpharmacotherapeutics.
Sam Miklos (08:15):
so they're four courses that you pretty much
have to have and yourimmunization yeah, yeah, I was
going to ask you is there anyother study that you had to do?
Or they were the main fourthings.
Marie Davey (08:26):
They're the main ones that you needed to do.
Sam Miklos (08:28):
I think nearly every agency that you will talk to
will request those things Isthere anything so that, now that
you have been doing this rolefor a while, is there any other
courses in addition to thosefour that you think, oh gosh,
like they would really help youalong the way?
Marie Davey (08:44):
I since have done my long acting reversible
contraception course.
Yeah, so I'm inserting planonsinto women and remove them.
That's one I've done since I'vebeen in the Northern Territory.
There's a huge focus onemergency stuff, but very little
of what we do is emergency.
(09:05):
It is mostly primary care,right, and there's certainly a
lot that you will learn on thejob.
Simply because you don't knowwhat day today is going to bring
.
The majority of nurses wouldn'tknow how to look in an ear, but
you can learn that on the job.
Kate Coomber (09:23):
Yeah.
Asking another nurse, askingthe doctor, and I guess getting
to a clinic that can reallysupport you when you get out to
those communities.
I guess, if you're steppinginto that for the first time,
how important is that for you tohave support around you to make
you feel confident?
Essential, yeah.
Marie Davey (09:41):
Essential.
I was very blessed and there isone of the girls that I worked
with at Timber Creek, kimmy.
I still give her big hugsbecause I say to her without her
, yeah, she really was my mentorto remote.
Kate Coomber (09:56):
I guess that could really be quite critical to
make you decide yeah, I can dothis and let's keep going with
various contracts.
Marie Davey (10:02):
And I think too absolutely if you go remote and
you have a bad first experienceyou're not likely to hurry back.
Kate Coomber (10:09):
True, so that it is important yeah, what's
probably been the biggestsurprise for you, as you've
thought about it all your lifeand now you're doing it.
But I guess in those initialtimes, what surprised you the
most?
Marie Davey (10:24):
Well, after 39 years of nursing, you think you
know everything.
Yeah, a bit like being ateenager I went right and I
thought I knew everything.
And then I realised I knewnothing about remote nursing or
indigenous people, rheumaticheart disease.
I knew nothing.
How do you get it?
How do you treat it?
Yeah, I was horr.
How do you get it, how do youtreat it?
(10:44):
Yeah, I was horrified that wewere jabbing people with
penicillin injections becausethey had a sore throat.
Oh wow, I'd just come fromworking, also in an after hours
clinic that you know,predominantly you got a lot of
sore throats and earachesbecause that's when mum and dad
got home from work and the kidswere sick, yeah, and couldn't
wait till tomorrow.
(11:04):
So we used to see a lot ofthose.
You'd be giving them oralantibiotics, but not in the NT,
yeah, because if you don't treatthem with that penicillin
they're going to get rheumaticheart disease.
And what about?
Sam Miklos (11:16):
with, like you were saying there in that cultural
awareness piece, because youhadn't worked with First Nations
people.
How was that transition for you?
Marie Davey (11:26):
Look, I personally didn't have a big problem with
the cultural side of it.
I don't know.
I just treat everybody the sameand I've learned to have a few
jokes with people and I'velearnt to be a bit crazy.
My uniform dress I wear longcompression socks, some of them
have got unicorns on them andsome of them have got flamingos,
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and I've just been given a pairthat have got giraffes on them.
I tend to find I can be a bitof an icebreaker.
Kate Coomber (12:02):
I can be a bit of an icebreaker.
I can walk into a room that'sserious and suddenly they're all
pointing at that nurse and lookat her, she's crazy.
Marie Davey (12:10):
It just changes the whole dynamics of it.
So culturally I haven't reallysaid I just love it.
Every community I've been to isdifferent because it's, you
know, a different clan or adifferent area, so they have
different cultural things thatare relevant to their area.
Kate Coomber (12:32):
Yeah.
Marie Davey (12:33):
And so it's amazing to be able to talk to people
and you know what?
Happens here and what happensthere and yeah, yeah.
Kate Coomber (12:40):
And having worked across quite a few communities
now in those years, do you lookback and think this is the
impact that I've had?
Or, you know, can you reallysee the impact of you going into
that community?
Marie Davey (12:54):
Unfortunately, you don't see a big impact.
But I think what keeps me goingis that I know it's the little
steps.
Yeah, like every baby, I do animmunization for I know that
child is not going to grow upwith hepatitis b.
Yeah, it's not going to getcirrhosis of the liver from that
hepatitis b and it's not goingto get cancer from the hepatitis
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b and that is huge impact itmight not feel like day-to-day,
but that is, yeah, that issignificant, and that it might
not feel like day to day, butthat is, yeah, that is
significant.
And that's the other advantagethat I find with doing the eight
weeks is that it gives you longenough to build rapport with
the people in that community aswell.
Yeah, and so they might havebeen a bit reluctant to get
those needles done, but fourweeks down the track they've
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seen you a couple of times andthey now trust you and okay,
we'll have that.
Yeah, we'll do that.
So I was just gonna say go on,no, go on, you go so you know
it's not major inroads into anyof the closing the gap stuff,
but you've got to look at thelittle things that do make a
difference.
Sam Miklos (13:56):
Yeah, yeah, that one step at a time.
Marie, what advice, then, wouldyou give?
You know, if an RN'sconsidering that step into
remote area nursing, what arethe things that they should be
aware of?
Maybe the things you wish youknew before you went going?
You know what are the benefits,but then what are the
challenges?
Because you know, like you said, if you have, if you don't have
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, the greatest first experience,you might not want to go back.
So what should they be aware of?
Marie Davey (14:23):
that they don't know everything.
They need to ask questions.
They need to be really that newnurse again and just ask, ask,
ask.
You cannot assume anything.
The minute you start assumingyou know what you're doing,
you're going going to end up introuble.
Yeah, it's so much easier tofix things before it's a problem
(14:43):
.
Yeah, then after you create one, yeah.
So yeah, definitely, if anyoneis considering it, go for it
because it is just, it'slife-changing to me.
Yeah, yeah, apart from what Imight be contributing to the
community, it's life-changing tothe nurses that get out there,
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and you know, I've met so manybeautiful people.
It sounds like To see ourbeautiful country and I'm
getting paid to do that.
Kate Coomber (15:13):
Yeah, it sounds, you know, like a really
connected community we're goingto discuss with you.
I've heard that sometimesattracting people to these
communities, isolation, can be aproblem or a barrier for people
to think that they can go outthere.
But we understand that you takePeter with you, is that right?
(15:33):
Yeah, on contract, you know, Iguess that that maybe solves
that problem there.
But what do you think aboutthat?
Or what's been theaccommodation like?
Has it been difficult to bringhim with you, or is it not a
problem?
Marie Davey (15:47):
Hasn't been a problem for me at this point in
time.
Mind you, my next contract.
I won't have him with mebecause he's in the US at the
moment.
Okay, but that's because we'venow got such a good life balance
that I'm volunteering to go andhelp a friend in America.
Kate Coomber (16:05):
Yeah, because I think sometimes when people are
going to a hospital setting,perhaps the accommodation isn't
available for them to take apartner.
But when you're going remoteyou've got that opportunity a
lot of the time to take apartner, which maybe is
something people don't realiseand think it might be out of
bounds for them because of that,but in most cases do you find
that that's possible Very?
Marie Davey (16:27):
very possible, and if there's not work?
Pete's never been without workin a community.
Sam Miklos (16:32):
What sort of work does he do?
What does he do?
Marie Davey (16:33):
Yeah, tell us about that.
Well, mostly he's managed toget work in the clinics, either
as a driver or as a gardener ora cleaner.
He painted the clinic at DalyRiver.
Yeah, I remember that he had nothad an update for 25 years and
he's managed to gurney and paintthe exterior of the clinic for
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the first time in 25 years.
Yeah, wow, on Bathurst Islandthere wasn't work at the clinic,
but he picked up clinic, uh,picked up work with um, one of
the women's organizations upthere.
He was doing some maintenancework for them.
Yeah, um, so there is.
And like when we're in largeamana he could have had six jobs
(17:16):
.
Oh, my god, you're like aremote power couple.
Well, it's just you've got toget out there and make yourself
known.
Yeah, you know, there's oftenwork at post offices or shops or
cleaning of council quarters oryou know, none of it's
glamorous, no, but it's allcontributing, but if you can be,
together, then it's great.
Sam Miklos (17:37):
And do you do back-to-back contracts?
Because I know you're also apart-time grandmother as well
and you mentioned there beforethat this remote area nursing
has really allowed you both tohave a really great lifestyle.
Is it a couple of weeks on,couple of weeks off?
Does that?
Did that make you nervous aswell?
Stepping into contract work isthere going to be enough work
for me?
Job security Stepping in.
Marie Davey (18:00):
It was terrifying.
I've always been an organisedperson and financially included,
and to be throwing in a jobhere not knowing how much work
was available I didn't even knowwhat the pay rate was.
I didn't ask when I started.
I was too scared.
I just wanted to do it andpeople told me it was okay, so
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it must have been started.
Yeah, yeah, I was too scared, Ijust wanted to do it and people
told me it was okay, so it musthave been okay.
Yeah, yeah, and so that wasterrifying.
My first contract was asix-week contract because I
figured that I would either loveit or hate it in that six weeks
.
If I hated it, I could hang itout for six weeks.
Yeah, if I loved it, it waslong enough to get my teeth into
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it and know that that was whatI wanted to do.
Um, and no, I don't doback-to-back contracts purely
because I do one a while.
They come home and see mygrandbabies and I've got 12
between us, wow, oh, my goodness.
Or we want to travel, so we'vebeen blessed enough.
We We've spent a month aroundUluru and Alice Springs and done
the East and West MacdonaldRanges, we've done the
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Kimberleys, we've been over toCairns.
You know, we've done lots oftravelling apart from coming
home.
So, and the fact that we'retogether, doesn't matter where
we are, we're together.
Sam Miklos (19:17):
Yeah, that's amazing .
Marie Davey (19:19):
So, and you know, like my eldest daughter, whose
house I'm sitting in at themoment, when are you coming home
, mum?
You were only going for 12months and I said, well, I'm not
coming home, but she's had ababy nearly two years ago and I
could spend seven weeks with herwhen she had that birth.
Yeah, at the moment I'm nowhome for six weeks.
(19:40):
Yeah, I would never have thatquality time with these children
if I was working a conventionaljob here.
Sam Miklos (19:46):
Yeah, yeah, so special for the grandbabies and
your own children, theremuneration of working remote
is phenomenal.
Marie Davey (19:53):
It's just wonderful .
Yeah, that's amazing.
So you know it does give youthat.
Sam Miklos (20:05):
It's given me a far better life-work balance than I
would have ever dreamt couldpossibly be there and the remote
area nursing community I knowthat sort of research is sort of
suggesting that the next coupleof years a lot of our RANDs
will be looking to retire andthere's a little bit of a gap in
the workforce.
How do you think we couldattract more RANDs into these
roles, or is there anything thatwe're not doing to get more
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RANDs into these roles?
Marie Davey (20:28):
Unfortunately, that decline in nursing is not just
remote.
Kate Coomber (20:32):
It's everywhere Across the board Everywhere.
Marie Davey (20:35):
It costs too much.
They seriously need to thinkabout the hexstead that people
end up with.
That is a major hurdle.
I personally do not have adegree in anything.
I've never been to university.
I am hospital trained.
I did not do a bridging course.
I was too scared yeah, stilltoo scared.
Lots of certificates but noactual degrees or whatever.
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So for people to come remotethey don't have to have all the
pieces of paper that you knowlots of degrees or you know
population health degrees andall that sort of stuff.
So they possibly aren't awareof that either.
And I do think that sometimeswhen you look at job
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advertisements they're a bitover the top and I think a
conversation with people is moreimportant than what's written
in an ad.
Kate Coomber (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like maybe the person who
wants to help these communitiesfor the right reasons might be
the most important trait whenlooking for a RAN, or the type
of people to go in to this lineof work, versus the pieces of
paper.
Marie Davey (21:43):
Absolutely.
But they've also got to realisethat they're not going to
change the world in a day.
Yes, it is those tiny littlesteps that make the difference.
Yeah.
Sam Miklos (21:54):
That you know when we talk about the differences
when we're remote, you know, ifwe've got a Gold Coast RN who's
going remote, you know I'm surethat they would experience a bit
of a shock in terms of theservices they've got access to
the equipment.
Is there anything that you cantalk to that point about?
Marie Davey (22:13):
No, she's a nurse.
Any nurse that is going remotehas to be comfortable with their
own time.
Yep, because you are isolated,you can be in communities where
the other nurses want nothing todo with you out of hours,
because you've just spent eighthours together.
Yeah, yeah, so you have to makeyour own entertainment.
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Yeah, I take jigsaws, I read, Icrochet yeah, so my port has
often got more stuff in it thanclothes yeah yeah, and that's
with Peter, with me, and I dodot art and things like that.
That doesn't weigh a lot and youcan't put it.
And you've got to be able toget out there and, you know, do
a bit of walking or exercise tokeep yourself mentally and
(22:57):
physically healthy.
Yeah, yeah, to keep yourselfmentally and physically healthy,
yeah, yeah.
So, as far as going remote,it's just such an amazing
experience and I I can guaranteeyou 99% of the population would
have no idea what it's about.
How to get into it.
Yeah, I think too that, like,the ongoing professional
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development you've got to do isvery expensive.
Yes, so, unless you are goingto do almost continuous remote,
you couldn't do it, like if youwere looking at going remote and
thinking because when I firststarted I thought, oh, maybe I
can just do, you know, my threeweeks and you will leave.
Yeah, but you can't do thatbecause you would only get two
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stints or three stints in a yearor two years and you've paid
out thousands of dollars forthose meck and reck and so you
really have to be that career,Anne.
You have to have a career, youhave to make it a career to make
it worthwhile.
Sam Miklos (24:00):
Yeah, Murray looking back on your remote career, is
there one moment that reallystands out for you?
That's been a really memorablemoment or something that you
think, oh, that was just.
Marie Davey (24:21):
No, it's all just been so good in that.
To get that work-life balanceis just amazing.
You know I've delivered a prembaby on Groote Island at 34
weeks.
Wow, now, if that mum hadn'thad help, she'd have been in
trouble.
Yeah, I wasn't on my own,granted.
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You know, when you've gotsomeone in prem lab, you get the
whole team in.
But I was there and you know,helped her through that and
evac'd her on the plane becausethey still go into Darwin.
The prem baby had to go intoDarwin but to know you've got it
to that plane and that baby ispink and warm and sweet you know
it's blood sugar's fine andthings like that.
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There's just so many amazingthings that can go wrong.
They don't always go wrong,yeah.
Kate Coomber (25:10):
Yeah, I guess the research shows the outcomes for
remote health versus the accessyou've got to resources at a
metro area, and I think thatthat just showcases the impact
of you and all the healthcareprofessionals like you who are
working in these remote areas,of how you can impact the
community.
Because you're right, if youweren't there, if the team
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weren't there, then that's avery different story.
So I think everyone's gratefulfor the work that you do Now
today.
Marie Davey (25:43):
I'm grateful that it's there because it just yeah,
it's changed my life and it'schanged Peter's life and down
the track, like it's the rippleeffect.
It's the quality of time I dohave with my grandchildren.
Kate Coomber (25:54):
Absolutely, absolutely Well.
Look, you've clearly had hugeimpact, particularly in that top
end area of Australia over thelast few years.
We would love this podcast toensure that every guest has a
bit of a platform, I guess, toshine a light on a charity close
to your heart.
Cmr are donating $500 to thatcharity during this podcast.
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What charity would you like totalk to today?
Marie Davey (26:20):
I think that should go to Beyond Blue.
Mental health and suicideprevention is such a major thing
, not just in those top endFirst Nations communities, but
everywhere yeah and I just thinkthat they do such a phenomenal
job that that $500 would be wellspent with them.
Kate Coomber (26:44):
Yeah, thank you.
Look, it's so wonderful to notonly donate that money but also
just raise awareness to thesecharities that each of our
guests are talking to today.
So thank you for that.
Mari, when I first reached outto you, you responded and said
that if you could inspire onenurse from this podcast to work
remotely, then this would beworth your time, and I think
(27:05):
that there's no doubt thatyou've certainly done that today
, and I'd say, a few more thanthat too.
So thank you so much for yourtime.
You've been so generous um toshare all of your wisdom over
the your course of your career.
Sam Miklos (27:17):
Thank you so much thank you, too, for what you've
contributed to Cornerstone.
You know you've been such ajust an advocate and and so
forthcoming and generous withyour time and your thoughts and
your ideas and, um, you know youare the frontline right.
We learn so much from you andyour thoughts and your ideas.
And you know you are thefrontline right, we learn so
much from you and yourexperience.
So we're just so grateful tohave equally had the opportunity
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had you read that email and getback in touch with the team and
have that opportunity to workwith you all these years.
Thank you, thank you, we'll seeyou soon, hey, thanks, bye,
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