September 9, 2024 • 48 mins
For this week's episode, we have compared Logan's Run (1976) and The Island (2005) - two films about men living in a controlled society discovering that something sinister is happening behind the scenes.
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The Movies:
Directed by Michael Anderson
Written by David Zelag Goodman
Based on the novel by William F. Nolan & George Clayton Johnson
iMDb Rating: 6.8
Directed by Michael Bay
Written by Caspian Tredwell-Owen, Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci
iMDB Rating: 6.8
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nick. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast where two
people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them. You
got it right this time. I did. Callback to the movies being deleted. In this episode,
we had to move some stuff around and I was able to finally pick what I wanted.
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So two cult classics, one mainly cult classic, which is 1976's Logan's Run and the only Michael
Bay movie I like. 2005's The Island. So these are movies that are relatively similar.
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Well, one of them was sued by a different production for copying their plot exactly.
So it's more similar to that movie, I think. So maybe we'll revisit. Yes, these are both about
a dude. Some guy. Living in an enclosed, futuristic society where people's lives are very controlled
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and everyone is kind of just looking forward to a particular thing that they know is inevitably
going to happen to them that they think is a positive thing. And realistically, they're
just being killed. And then he witnesses some stuff or is told some stuff that makes him
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question his reality and then he ends up somehow on the outside realizing that what he's been told
his whole life is a lie. Yep, there's a plot of both the movies. Thank you for joining us.
You didn't see either of these movies? No. Did you enjoy either of these movies? Yeah,
they're all right. I mean, I feel like
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why my big question about Logan's run is why? My big question about Logan's run is why? Yeah,
you know what I mean? Because here's the thing. All right, for people who haven't seen these movies,
there will be spoilers. There's gonna be many spoilers. You know, what I'm gonna spoil
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when I'm gonna spoil about things will be spoiled. But like, pretty much simultaneously,
when you find out what the what that they're being killed in the island, you find out why
you find out spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, that they are clones and they've been cloned by
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their clones of rich people who have them as an insurance policy. So if they have Oregon failure
or something goes wrong, or if they need, you know, a surrogate to carry their baby or whatever the
case may be, they have this extra body that has all their DNA and everything's a match that they
can harvest. Right? Yeah. In Logan's run, it's just people and they just kill them all when they turn
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30. And that's the end of it. And there's never an explanation. So in my opinion, in your opinion,
um, it's the Logan's run the whole premise of the the society they live in. Because,
as it says in the in the beginning of the movie, there was a disaster.
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Humanity was wiped out. Yeah. And they basically just live this life and luxury
as like some sort of like vault fallout sheltery thing. Yeah. And they just live this life and
luxury as like some sort of like vault fallout sheltery thing. Yeah. That basically in my,
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it's very similar to like WALL-E. This whole concept of like, if your just life is completely
filled with pointless stuff, you just like turn into blob creatures. But because it's the 70s,
everybody just does drugs and has sex all the time. Yeah. And so I think you mean the 23rd
century, right? Yeah. And so in the 30s, everyone just does drugs and has sex all the time. And
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they have a society where basically you turn 30 and you try for renewal, which is reincarnation.
And basically every person they kill off another person is born. So the population stays the same
and the population and the facilities within the like established safety of the vaulty thing.
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And in the original book, it's, they're 21 when they're killed. So no, and the only reason they
changed it was because they thought it would be very difficult to have a cast full of people who
are supposed to be under 21. Yeah. I mean, even some of their leads who are supposed to be under
30 are well in their 30s in what we actually have. They weren't going to be able to cast a whole
a whole movie with only people under 21. Yeah. It's, it's, it would have been difficult in the
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70s. Like I think the hundred did pretty well by getting decent actors. You never watched that show.
I don't know what that is. It's a teenage sci-fi like drama about a bunch of children that sent
back to earth to test out if earth is survival again. Yeah. That they had some decent. One of
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them, one of them leads is a felon now, but anyway, yeah, that was my understanding of why
the society was set up with this whole like, you know, everybody wants to go to the island
and the island, which is like this, this programming into you. But in the, in Logan's run, it is
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basically like, you have your childhood to be an absolute terror. And if you are that they just
stick you in like a zone where it's basically the lost boys from never, never, neverland. Neverland.
Yeah. Where they just like run around being nuts and cutting people. And you like grow up out of
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that stage. And then you're just allowed to like run around and watch people float into a laser.
There's a lot of laser floating lasers in general. Yeah. I mean, one thing that does make more sense
in that movie than in the island is the like birth cycle. I mean, in terms of like how, how it appears
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to the people. Oh, they're just like fine survivors. Yeah. Decontamination. Yeah. So in Logan's run,
they use the actual like, I think Logan's run is all just being run by a computer, right? It's just.
Yeah. And my, because there's like four cores, I assume it's like four AI systems that are like
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jacked into one. And it looks like the entire thing is run by machines, which is why it's very
wall-y. Yeah, it's definitely like, I guess someone set this up as a future, you know, as a sustainable
future, but then there's no humans around to actually run it or figure out what's going on.
So it's just this robot killing people on a loop. But like the babies are like, they're getting DNA
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from a male and a female and they make a baby and then they know that that's their baby. Yeah. But
they don't get to raise it. It gets raised by robots or whatever. I don't know how it works.
There's a nursery or something. Yeah. And then if you're bad, you go to the wild bunch. Yeah.
Whereas in the island, they're all like implanted with false memories to believe that the earth has
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become contaminated and people can't go outside. And that's why they're in this dome land. And
there's one place for contamination is the island. And that's why, you know, you want to win the
lottery, go to the island. But they grow fully grown people because they're growing clones at
the age of the person who's buying the insurance policy. Yeah. Which means that to the people in
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the dome place in the island, they're just bringing out these new adults and they're like, wow,
they just keep finding new survivors out there. And it's like, but surely that messes with their
whole worldview, because if they're being told you can't survive out there, then how seven years
later, they still finding perfectly healthy survivors. You know, it doesn't, you know,
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I would have thought people would question things sooner. Yeah. But I think there's all part of
their system of not questioning things, not having memories from your host, which is where,
what is his name? I was going to call him Logan. Lincoln. Lincoln and Logan. Lincoln and Logan.
Lincoln and Logan. Ewan McGregor. Ewan McGregor has memories from himself. They're educated to
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the point of, it was like a seven year old. A 15 year old. 15 year old. They're not taught about
sex. They're not given any sex drive. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense because it's
otherwise, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, it's a very interesting way to do it because they,
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later on in the movie, it was explained that they tried growing, like what they sell to the investors,
the people who are buying these copies, the aggregates, what do they call them? Alginates.
That they're just a mindless ball of like organs, kept alive on like life support. They don't have
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a brain. So, you know, blah, blah, blah. But in reality, when they tried that, it didn't work. So
basically, Sean Bean is basically breaking a bunch of international rules and growing full clones.
And that's why they're all underground. And then that's why they can't have anybody get out because
then it all becomes a big like, well, they're all going to go to super prison. Yeah. It's just,
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yeah, it's a very. Somebody's gotta go to prison. Yeah. Well, he doesn't. Sorry, spoiler alert.
I was quoting National Treasure. Oh, okay. Where it is Sean Bean who just go to prison. Yeah. After
that line is said. Yeah. Somebody's gotta go to prison. This is on your checkbook marks of Sean
Bean does die in the movie. Wow, spoiler. Yeah. I think the, yeah, I thoroughly enjoy the island.
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It's a very fun movie. Though I will say one thing, and this is for all Michael Bay,
his B roll is so jarring. Have you noticed that? I thought you were going to talk about the sexism.
Oh, the sexism is ongoing. Yeah. And also on the Michael Bay weird B roll shit.
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The whole chase scene, there's a whole chase scene and I got annoyed at it while we were watching it
and then I found out. Which chase scene? Because it's Michael Bay and there's like multiple chase scenes.
Yeah, there's so many chase scenes, but there's a whole like car chase scene where
you and O'Gregor and Charlie Johansson are on the back of a truck carrying train wheels.
Even though we have just seen that in this universe, the trains are like maglif's.
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Yeah, maglif's. So they do not have wheels. Yeah. Train wheels do not exist in this world.
They literally do not exist. There are no train wheels. Trains don't have wheels.
And yet there's a big chase scene on the back of a truck with train wheels and they throw train
wheels at people. In turn, that it's just that Michael Bay was driving on the hot wheels.
And he was behind a truck that was carrying train wheels and went, that looks dangerous.
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And decided to put it in the movie. Like, I guess not even having any consideration for the fact
that it makes no sense in the context of the film that he's made. That's fair. You tried to
like find a logic for it. Yeah, I was just like, they're clearly going to get recycled.
No, it was literally just that he's an idiot. Yeah, but he is an idiot because he told
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Ben Affleck to shut the fuck up when he asked him about why they couldn't just teach astronauts
how to drill. Yeah. I mean, he literally paid to have all of Ben Affleck's teeth replaced.
Yeah. We've been over this. His interview, the casting call for Megan Fox to go and go back
to your sexism thing, was bringing her over to his house while he watched her wash his car.
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That's disgusting. Like people talk about like, oh, since me too, it's all better.
There's like, no, no, people are still fucking creeps. They're just not going to like
assault people. They're just going to be just creeps in general. I think you get to a point
in power where people just don't say no to you anymore. You're like, I'm king of the planet.
I can do whatever I want. Why is he so gross? Yeah, he makes movies for 13 year old boys.
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That's his whole gag. Another film. Maybe he wasn't educated past the age of 15.
I mean, that's what we're learning here. Scarlett Johansson wanted to go topless for
The Island and he said no, because it would have changed the rating and then 13 year old
boys wouldn't have been able to watch it. It's a fun fact for you. Yeah. Which one did you enjoy
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more, The Island and Logan's Run? She's thinking. I think probably The Island. I mean, they both
had a lot of stuff that didn't make any sense, but I feel like there is some attempt to write a plot
in The Island. What do you mean some attempt to write a plot? What the hell was happening in
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Logan's Run? Well, it was really simple. The facility was clearly built on some sort of
fish processing plant. Let me ask you, you're the Logan's Run expert. You love Logan's Run.
I'm not the expert, but yeah. You're a Logan's Run expert and you've seen it many times. I have.
You love this movie. You own it on DVD. I enjoy this movie. I own it on DVD.
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Let's do some rapid fire question round. Okay. Why did the computer choose Logan to go outside
and find the sanctuary? Because he brought an ankh back, which is a symbol of sanctuary.
Okay. And it's outside of his education. How did the robot age him by four years? Lasers. Okay.
Why would the robot not answer any of his questions? Probably because it didn't know
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the answers and therefore it couldn't ever tell him that it didn't know the answers because it's
supposed to be unfallible. Why couldn't the robot just let him out instead of making him think he
was going to die and forcing him to go on the run? The same reason they do it to Snake Plissken in
the Escape movies to give him like some motivation. Because they put virus and tiny bombs in him,
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remember? Why was that old man the only person alive outside? Because everybody else had grown old
and died from old age and he was just eating walnuts surrounded by cats the way I want to go.
Why did he keep quoting T.S. Eliot? Because probably the only friends he's ever had were
people in books. Because from the understanding of it, his parents probably died when he was like 20
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or something. So he's been alive for like 40 years alone. Why was there a robot freezing people?
Because I was going to explain that I'm pretty sure that the facility that they all lived in was
built on top of a like seafood processing plant and the only thing that was survived from that was one
of the automatons that called Box who was obsessed with ice sculptures and freezing people while they
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were naked. Why was it Wilson Fisk? Because they needed a voice actor who was recognizable.
Well he wasn't Wilson Fisk when they cast him in that because he did it like 20 years later.
No I'm saying that's why they cast Wilson Fisk as the guy who played Box. Because Box is such a like...
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No I'm saying that... Oh right so you're saying they wanted Box, they wanted Wilson Fisk to sound
like Box. Yeah they were like when they were making Spider-Man they were like you know how
should we get to play Wilson Fisk? The guy who played Box. How did they all just like get out the roof?
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Explosions and lasers. Well clearly anti-gravity technology exists. It is weird that there was no
escape plan later on for the facility. Like the facility was just like a closed loop and no one
was ever going to leave. To the point where it's very strange that the machine was just like oh
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okay cool just let people run away. Like it was so... the AI that's running the place is so fixated
on the number and I think that's where a lot of the problems came from. Because it explains to Logan
when the ageism gives him the uncontelism to go find sanctuary that 1056 people have gone,
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have run away, like escaped. So I'm assuming because it can't like just like beam them and
then grow a new one. And the whole fact that like reincarnation was all made up as a form of another
form of control. Like people's lust for the island. I think that's the reason why because it was just
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an AI system that was in a closed loop. Like what most... that's the first why people have been like
trying to tell us that AI is evil and now everyone's put it in their phone. It just doesn't make
it doesn't make changes to its understanding in a way where it doesn't understand the consequences.
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It's like so laser focused. Like all the androids are trying to kill Ripley. How did... how come Logan
didn't know that there was anything outside of the dome and yet he then later said that
he believed the dome was powered by the ocean?
Well I think that's just poor script writing. How come they escaped through like this ice tunnel
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and went through the wilderness and arrived in Washington DC but then when they went back they
knew exactly how to get in from some pool on the top of the dome that they didn't know was there
before even though they knew exactly where it was somehow? Because I'm assuming there was a time skip.
Why'd they leave the old man on the roof? So all the people who had never seen an old
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people can come out and touch him. Why was there only plan to go in and scream at people when they
knew that people wouldn't believe them? Well that's the plan for lots of politicians and they get
elected. How did he break the computer with his mind? Because like I said it was like stuck in a
loop where it was so focused on just getting the number down to zero. How did the crystal get in
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their hands? Probably surgically implanted when they're babies. But then why is it bigger than
a baby's hand when they're adults? Maybe it's an organic crystal that grows with you. Why
did it not turn back to the colors it used to be when they went back inside the dome?
Maybe the water outside broke it. Well then why would it not be? Or maybe it was like a
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maybe the system when you get outside like it only has sensors with inside the facility
and when you go out it just like resets it like if you took like a cell phone outside of
where there's signal you just the phone just disappears. Why did Francis not change his mind
when he got out and discovered that there were old people too? Because he was horny for murder.
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Because I think Logan he feels that Logan betrayed him. That was the whole thing Logan betrayed him
and but the robot told Logan to do that yeah but is there any point in that time where he's like
hey I'm on a mission can you like help me instead of trying to kill me right no if the computers
like the AI have been analyzing people for all this time for like multiple centuries or whatever
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how did it not know that like making Logan feel like he was gonna die was gonna make him actually
want to escape instead of doing what it said? Well he did do his job in the end because like when they
get to the sanctuary door like the door through the the sixth place where everyone does drugs at
the beginning because it's just misted out of the roof and before they all get taken away to the
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orgy pits and they sneak through the back door that's built into the wall and then they go
downstairs and then they he's told to like clasp his hands on his head he does like activate his
tracking device on his like radio multi-purpose communicator thing so he's still doing his job
at that point. But then why can't he tell the other guys so that they don't try to kill him?
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Because that would ruin his budding relationship with the girl who's way too young for him. No but
why did the computer not want him to tell even though? Because then it wouldn't be realistic
because then other people the computer doesn't know who who's part of this like whole conspiracy
because there's multiple people over multiple generations it's not like it's like it's an
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underground rail like network thing that's going on. Who'd the doctor get a phone call from?
The people from the the sanctuary group Unx Alliance. Why did he start helping him and then
start shooting him with lasers all of a sudden? Because he got a phone call in between he just
explained it. He was like oh I'm gonna help you change your face so you can help escape. Why did
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the doctor fist fight him in the room with all the lasers even though the doctor knew the lasers
were gonna kill one of them? Because lasers are cool and they wanted to have someone sliced up
with lasers. Why did Holly forget everything and then have to be reminded bit by bit to be like oh
yeah that did happen when it was 10 seconds later? Probably because she was on she's she would have
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also had to go through the sex dungeon place with all the drugs.
Okay so there's Logan's run for you. You want to do this on the island as well? I don't have as
many questions about the island. Yeah but you have some. Why was the Unregretter's accent so bad?
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Just because it was because he had to like ham up his Scottish accent when he was playing his Tom
You've hit another trigger another point there. A. How did Lincoln mimic the Scottish accent so
perfectly when he'd never heard a Scottish accent before and B. Where did he learn the word shite?
Yahoo answers. I don't think he was looking on Yahoo answers. Okay. Also I think what didn't
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was then they got to the MSN home page so probably would have been Bing. Oh yeah from Bing.
He was searching Bing for Scottish slang terms to use. I don't know how did they survive falling
off a skyscraper? Michael Bay bullshit. It's that scene I will admit. The amount of times they take
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like continuous gunfire no one gets hit the whole fact of the giant R falls off the building
and clearly you see on screen whoever would have been inside the hole of the R would have been
completely and utterly fucked up because it's clearly on there's like metal pipes and shit going
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through the center of it but they just like fall into some built construction netting yeah and then
a black guy is just like Jesus loves you Jesus definitely loves you yeah yeah that's how they
survive it um probably because the cool thing that they plan to do when they're playing the
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game was just like too radical and they were like oh shit because that's the thing about stunts when
you like do stuff like that live action stunts is like you never know what's actually going to happen
the guy the like hitman guy the guy he's not supposed to be the guy who has the like the best
character arc yeah absolutely yeah the guy who Sean Bean pays to track them down yeah right he
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corners Lincoln and famous designer Tom Lincoln yeah is that his name Tom Lincoln yeah um and he
can't tell which one is which and but he knows that one of them is an important asset for his
boss and the other one is a client who paid five million dollars to his boss why does he
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shoot one of them and kill him without knowing which one is which actually he's not a boss
without knowing which one is which actually why would he shoot either of them anyway yeah it is
it is that moment i will admit is dumb writing um the reality is they should have both been arrested
at gunpoint and then interrogated to find out which one was which yeah they would have made way
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more say to them or stun them or do something and then like bring them both back to the but it's like
it's because when i what i remembered before rewatching it for this um was like during the
fist fight before he rocks up his when he like clips the like wrist band onto him right yeah no
but he doesn't like clearly right in front of him he's just like oh that guy's going on the wrong
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arm yeah this guy's got a wristband on better shoot him in the chest yeah
but he does help them in the end because he realizes that they're all branded like cattle
and then he talks about being in africa and how it was you know being treated less than human so
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he's got a brand on his hand and that's when he's just like you know to old sean bain um
you know how's it like playing god etc etc and then realizes that he's a piece of shit and he's on
the wrong side and ends up helping scullet joe from her friends the the same series because
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they've all got like memories from their original hosts into a giant oven yeah which is very
fascist yes here's a question here's a here's a here's a big question for the island why
is the movie made in 2005 way less progressive than the movie made in the 1970s
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and i think i already explained we we both explained it earlier the michael bay sexist yeah but i'm
talking about uh consent queerness um again it's a michael bay movie made aimed at 13 year old boys
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well it's i mean that's gross like are you saying that we should be teaching 13 year old boys that
being gay is a joke no i'm just saying that that's the mindset of the people who aim movies
exclusively at that like i think that's terrible i think i think we should be making movies for that
demographic that are more inclusive yeah and open yeah that makes positive yeah that makes a lot
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more sense um because logan's run like when he goes to look for like something because he it's
basically like tinder except they like trans they teleport them to you yeah that teleportation is
also a technology that's just glossed over yeah yeah so they've got teleportation tinder and he
gets like a dude first right and then he's like oh no thanks and then goes on and then when he meets
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her and she's not interested he's like oh are you more do you prefer women and she's like no and he's
like oh okay but like it's totally accepted yeah like normal even though like at the time i think
there was there was an entire building that pre-drugs he with horny drugs yeah no that's why
what i'm saying is that uh it was three years when the movie was released it was three years after
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homosexuality was was taken out of the list of medical disorders right so like three years prior
to logan's run being made people were still considering queerness to mean that you were like
you had a mentally ill mental illness um and then 30 years later we have the island where there's a
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scene where um you know there's a whole joke like out of a weirdly extended joke like they drag out
for a stupid amount of time um about lincoln cornering steve risham in the bathroom while he
still has his pants down and a guy walks in and over here someone is like oh they're gay
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and it's like i mean i you know i mean it could have been worse he could have like had the guy
beat them up for being gay but like just the fact that it's just a bit of a joke like the only
inclusion of anything related to queerness in the movie is to be like isn't it funny if someone
thinks you're gay yeah it's a michael bay movie i don't know how i'm more i'm not defending him
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i'm just admitting that that's a michael bay thing i don't yeah i don't agree with it either um but
also i just think it's stupid i think like why would what's the point especially if you're
supposed to be saying i mean us good things are setting this the future but it's the distant future
of the year 2019 yeah which is only 14 years after when when this was made apparently also five years
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ago i know it's five years ago with our maglifts god damn it and my clothes blade runner also
happened in 2019 and like you know that was that was somewhat of a distant future at that point
it's like i think so apparently they had originally like planned for it to be
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like a thousand years in the future or something and then budget cuts they kept bringing it back
in time which would end up being like almost modern it's like a couple of years from now
this is where they just have like weird prototype cars and you know yeah um like the minority report
cars in there yeah the jet the wasp jet bike things call um i don't know how they'd physically fly
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because like they don't have wings and without wings you don't have a lot of lift and they
don't look large enough to be able to propel themselves off the ground and also forward
but even large enough having multiple engines yeah there's yeah they're all using like
guns with just stuff on them to make them look futuristic but i guess other than the alien guns
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is pretty much what um elisium and also district 9 did so it's all pretty similar
yeah you're right there yeah you look like just exploded inside your own head no i just yawned
i yawned without opening my mouth you yawned with your mouth shut yeah this is almost the same thing
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i think exploded inside your own head yeah um i don't know do you want to go to i don't know
like i don't know you just asked me a bunch of questions we didn't know anywhere
what do you want what do you want to compare about this yeah no no i the thing is is that i feel
other than the statement that logan makes which is directly like yeah but now i'm gonna die so it's
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more important that's so funny to me other than that because it is very much that is the funniest
bit of writing it does remind me a little bit of i think i took down the quote exactly it was like
i don't know sorry i'm looking at the wrong one all right when you're ready and it's different now
because it's me yeah yeah um in star wars a new hope yeah which came out after this yeah and you
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remember who consoles who after their desert hobo gets killed
forgetting because of poor writing that princess leia's entire planet was recently just blown up
possibly with her alive family on it yeah because it's like you get the prequels and and and the tv
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show where it's like got her dad her adopted dad running around yeah but it's like the future where
like people live for ages so i'm assuming and because of the weird prequel timeline now we it's
not that she's that long after like they were possibly 40 and she's like 20 and then she's like
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possibly 40 and she's like 20 she's 18 yeah yeah so it's been like yes it's been 17 years or whatever
so they're alive her parents are alive when alderaan is blown up and then it's like no my
desert hobo friend oh don't worry i'll console you because here's the other thing is that luke
just met obi-wan kenobi where he's like i already knew him yeah yeah like we even yeah don't come
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to me about no but even in the context of only a new hope yeah like without any other star wars
extended universe existing no tv series no other movies she's the one who sends the message being
like obi you know obi-wan kenobi you're my only hope you know she's she's the one who is like
sending a message to him so she knows who obi-wan kenobi is she knows him yeah and then luke has
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just met this guy didn't even know his name before and then he's like no the desert hobo
yeah and do you like you mean my old friend obi-wan kenobi and also my childhood and my also my entire
planet yeah it is very much like that it was the island logan's run is a far more progressive
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in regards to consent free love basically just did like a beta but the here's here's the one
downside to it what color of skin are all the characters and logan's run
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they only saved white people yeah they only saved white people from the apocalypse
there is not a single person of color in that entire movie
so progressive and one in certain areas
is um uh facially xenophobic and possibly eugenicy and others i feel like to some extent
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the island is a little bit racist though as well because they have like two main black characters
one of which dies very early on yeah who's clearly like the the best football player of like america
yeah yeah yeah um so you just have like super strong you know microclark duncan yeah super
strong michael clark duncan um being like dragged on the floor crying like a baby
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yeah and then cut open and kill um and then the other guy is a firstly a bad guy but then it like
his whole arc is that i mean i know i appreciate like it's a decent arc but like if you take it
and go like this is your like one black character who lives the end of this movie and his whole arc
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ranges on the fact that he was branded as like a slave and his and they also have brands yeah
that's his whole personality is i will change my whole life because i was because i saw someone
had a brand and i had a brand it's also the fact that he's been paid and then goes and helps them
so his job the job's done like he's finished like his check is at the like in the mailbox
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yeah and then he's all like i'm gonna help these people now yeah it is a bit what yeah but it's
literally like the only thing that the only reason his mind changes is that he sees the brand on her
wrist yeah and you see it like in that moment and then he has a you know that conversation
which i'm being where he's like oh you get to play god and then he tells him that like and he shows
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in the brand on his hand and tells a bit his family and blah blah but like can a person not
have compassion without like he is a mercenary who clearly has like the assets of a small fucking
country at his disposal yeah the fact that they have jet bikes the fact that they just have
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like armored armored vehicles armored vehicles bags with just like different um authoritarian
like name plates on them yeah yeah swat fbi yeah just at a moment's notice to be able to change
everybody's vests to be able to track people through like radio frequency like it's ridiculous like
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yeah there's a lot i don't know how like because it's never like told how much he actually charged
him could have been like two and a half million dollars like i think it's more than that i think
it's way more than that because the the clients pay five million for the insurance thing yeah so
it's worth like tens of millions hundreds of millions of dollars it's not to mention the
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fact that when he finds out that like they're all the like generations are learning memories from
their like is it like genetic memories like xenomorphs i don't know i think it's i think it's
things like because you see it with um um with lincoln that like it's very much a kind of a
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muscle memory yeah uh or it starts as like a muscle memory because this guy is a designer
who draws and he can also draw the the same thing that he had drawn yeah so it's i think it's a
it's coming from that like idea of muscle memory and you know the kind of things that you still
remember even if you have amnesia you know or you had severe trauma head trauma or mental trauma
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or anything like the fact that you kind of muscle memory he can drive a car yeah and fly a jet bike
but he doesn't know what a red light is yeah yeah so i think that's it's a muscle memory thing um
which is why once his face filling in gaps michael clark duncan's able to like shoulder barge a dude
for safety glass exactly exactly yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah and that's how scuttle joe
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hanson knows how to kiss no she doesn't know she watched a video of herself which was an act which
was an actual ad scar joe was in that wasn't filmed for the thing yeah she watched a an ad
that her sponsor was in and watched them kissing and was like oh i'll go try that yeah and then
you're in with gregor's all like i like the thing you do with your tongue do more of that creep um
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yeah it is yeah there are there are some issues uh with these movies but you know that's science
fiction in general honestly um it's never really been made or aimed at women or people of color
oh it was like um what what do you what do you mean what am i talking about
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women women have been enjoying sci-fi since like women invented sci-fi i know sorry let me rewind
yeah yeah brent yeah i know mary shelley invented science fiction i know don't be like sci-fi has
never been aimed at women what nonsense did you just spat out of your mouth women invented
science i know i'm what i'm saying is is the the i'll rephrase what i said the popcorn sci-fi is
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not aimed at women popcorn sci-fi yeah as in big budget explosions transformer michael bay the whole
michael bay genre the fifth element that's made by a frenchman yeah it was made by a frenchman i
didn't say it wasn't made by a frenchman i don't know what point are you trying to make are you
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saying that that's not that that movie isn't appealing towards to women and people of color
no not saying that when there's a very strong female character than that and also ruby rod
yeah who they were wasn't a prince that they originally wanted for that that would make sense
i didn't know that but that would make so much sense yeah that i mean that feels like a prince
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character um to reiterate the two the transformers in transformers uh the ones that aren't like white
characters are incredibly racist but you know about the weird like non there's white and non-white
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transformers what what allegories for them i don't know anything about transformers that's a weird
statement to have made they're like two giant the i think it's two it might be three there's two
jive talking transformers jive talking transformers yeah michael bay got a lot of shit for it
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right and i think the only the only transformer that would be like jazz i think is the one that's
killed by megatron okay yeah weird yeah michael bay makes racist yeah i was gonna say michael bay
is racist and sexist yeah and gross yeah why do we keep watching his movies for this podcast
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because they have very similar plots to other movies that's true he does keep ripping off other
movies yeah yeah that's the caveat here that michael bay does continuously rip off of the movies
you see the other movie that apparently ripped off is called the clonus horror was it the island or
the island okay uh so literally they were sued by the producers of the clonus horror and they
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they settled for an indiscriminate amount out of court so we don't know how much money they paid
over to the indian probably an ida is it is it a movie or a book did you say a movie i believe
okay you want to find the plot of the clonus horror yeah like just like yeah find the subnoxus
is it just like a blurb or yeah just like a blurb and we'll see how close it is okay
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rather than going to watch it um so this the like short blurb on imdb just says in a seemingly
perfect society one member discovers the truth about the outside world as well as their ultimate
purpose i think the fact that it's called the clonus horror is probably a hint
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um i'll see if there's a longer okay there's a longer one here it says
a young man escapes from a government-run project called clonus only to find out that jeff knight a
presidential candidate is conspiring to keep clonus a secret top government officials are aware of it
and support the super secret project because they are cloning themselves so they live longer and
better lives at the expense of their slave-like clone counterparts ethical and moral values are
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explored as the escapee known as richard returns to clonus only to find his girlfriend lobotomized
for government security purposes yeah that's pretty similar 1979 so this came out just after
logan's run here's a question for you in us in us why were there duplicates of people
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what sorry oh right um you spoiled us for people i think right now which is the movie that oh i said
spoilers um oh my god i'm trying to remember well you said spoil you didn't say spoilers for what
spoilers for us the movie the horror movie us yeah um so please please skip the next couple
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of minutes if you haven't seen us because i know we haven't put that on the thing um my memory of
it is that there was like a secret government project where they made duplicates of everyone
and then it started to go awry so they abandoned it but then they just left them living down there
but it's never i don't think it's never really explained how they are linked to the person above
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and you know why they just go around doing exactly what they do and yeah because it's like
quantum mechanics of the whole like spin up spin down thing what tackle the mechanics works
quantum entanglement um do you know this is some trivia uh we've already kind of covered most of
it actually to be honest uh one thing that we didn't mention is that the opening
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opening landscapes in the island where they're like you know they had opens panning over those
landscapes yeah new zealand i was gonna say the opening landscapes and logan's run are all
miniatures and they look awesome they were reused for something else well i've forgotten one um but
they did yeah the logan's run miniatures got reused but yeah the landscapes and the opening
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of the island is just new zealand and then when they have the bits on the boat it's in italy of
course they love boats and latin they do like latin in italy yeah that's true very true and
pizza and spaghetti um probably yeah that's pretty much it there's no trivia for anything else uh not
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that we haven't already spoken about already we kind of we kind of already went to do it pretty
much i enjoyed the q a session that was yeah that was fun there was a different you struggling to
come up with new format i had to try and think about what i couldn't just answer with lasers we
did kind of just make up that on the spot that wasn't like a rehearsed format so i didn't i
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didn't have like pre-written questions um fun to do them well next time we have a movie that
you've seen multiple times that i've ever seen i'm going to be asking you questions on the same
format nice all right um you can find us on our website i was gonna say twitter and instagram
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standard discord related discordory thanks yeah thank you for joining us on this episode which
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nick. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast where two
people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them. You
got it right this time. I did. Callback to the movies being deleted. In this episode,
we had to move some stuff around and I was able to finally pick what I wanted.
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So two cult classics, one mainly cult classic, which is 1976's Logan's Run and the only Michael
Bay movie I like. 2005's The Island. So these are movies that are relatively similar.
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Well, one of them was sued by a different production for copying their plot exactly.
So it's more similar to that movie, I think. So maybe we'll revisit. Yes, these are both about
a dude. Some guy. Living in an enclosed, futuristic society where people's lives are very controlled
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and everyone is kind of just looking forward to a particular thing that they know is inevitably
going to happen to them that they think is a positive thing. And realistically, they're
just being killed. And then he witnesses some stuff or is told some stuff that makes him
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question his reality and then he ends up somehow on the outside realizing that what he's been told
his whole life is a lie. Yep, there's a plot of both the movies. Thank you for joining us.
You didn't see either of these movies? No. Did you enjoy either of these movies? Yeah,
they're all right. I mean, I feel like
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why my big question about Logan's run is why? My big question about Logan's run is why? Yeah,
you know what I mean? Because here's the thing. All right, for people who haven't seen these movies,
there will be spoilers. There's gonna be many spoilers. You know, what I'm gonna spoil
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when I'm gonna spoil about things will be spoiled. But like, pretty much simultaneously,
when you find out what the what that they're being killed in the island, you find out why
you find out spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, that they are clones and they've been cloned by
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their clones of rich people who have them as an insurance policy. So if they have Oregon failure
or something goes wrong, or if they need, you know, a surrogate to carry their baby or whatever the
case may be, they have this extra body that has all their DNA and everything's a match that they
can harvest. Right? Yeah. In Logan's run, it's just people and they just kill them all when they turn
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30. And that's the end of it. And there's never an explanation. So in my opinion, in your opinion,
um, it's the Logan's run the whole premise of the the society they live in. Because,
as it says in the in the beginning of the movie, there was a disaster.
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Humanity was wiped out. Yeah. And they basically just live this life and luxury
as like some sort of like vault fallout sheltery thing. Yeah. And they just live this life and
luxury as like some sort of like vault fallout sheltery thing. Yeah. That basically in my,
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it's very similar to like WALL-E. This whole concept of like, if your just life is completely
filled with pointless stuff, you just like turn into blob creatures. But because it's the 70s,
everybody just does drugs and has sex all the time. Yeah. And so I think you mean the 23rd
century, right? Yeah. And so in the 30s, everyone just does drugs and has sex all the time. And
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they have a society where basically you turn 30 and you try for renewal, which is reincarnation.
And basically every person they kill off another person is born. So the population stays the same
and the population and the facilities within the like established safety of the vaulty thing.
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And in the original book, it's, they're 21 when they're killed. So no, and the only reason they
changed it was because they thought it would be very difficult to have a cast full of people who
are supposed to be under 21. Yeah. I mean, even some of their leads who are supposed to be under
30 are well in their 30s in what we actually have. They weren't going to be able to cast a whole
a whole movie with only people under 21. Yeah. It's, it's, it would have been difficult in the
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70s. Like I think the hundred did pretty well by getting decent actors. You never watched that show.
I don't know what that is. It's a teenage sci-fi like drama about a bunch of children that sent
back to earth to test out if earth is survival again. Yeah. That they had some decent. One of
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them, one of them leads is a felon now, but anyway, yeah, that was my understanding of why
the society was set up with this whole like, you know, everybody wants to go to the island
and the island, which is like this, this programming into you. But in the, in Logan's run, it is
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basically like, you have your childhood to be an absolute terror. And if you are that they just
stick you in like a zone where it's basically the lost boys from never, never, neverland. Neverland.
Yeah. Where they just like run around being nuts and cutting people. And you like grow up out of
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that stage. And then you're just allowed to like run around and watch people float into a laser.
There's a lot of laser floating lasers in general. Yeah. I mean, one thing that does make more sense
in that movie than in the island is the like birth cycle. I mean, in terms of like how, how it appears
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to the people. Oh, they're just like fine survivors. Yeah. Decontamination. Yeah. So in Logan's run,
they use the actual like, I think Logan's run is all just being run by a computer, right? It's just.
Yeah. And my, because there's like four cores, I assume it's like four AI systems that are like
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jacked into one. And it looks like the entire thing is run by machines, which is why it's very
wall-y. Yeah, it's definitely like, I guess someone set this up as a future, you know, as a sustainable
future, but then there's no humans around to actually run it or figure out what's going on.
So it's just this robot killing people on a loop. But like the babies are like, they're getting DNA
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from a male and a female and they make a baby and then they know that that's their baby. Yeah. But
they don't get to raise it. It gets raised by robots or whatever. I don't know how it works.
There's a nursery or something. Yeah. And then if you're bad, you go to the wild bunch. Yeah.
Whereas in the island, they're all like implanted with false memories to believe that the earth has
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become contaminated and people can't go outside. And that's why they're in this dome land. And
there's one place for contamination is the island. And that's why, you know, you want to win the
lottery, go to the island. But they grow fully grown people because they're growing clones at
the age of the person who's buying the insurance policy. Yeah. Which means that to the people in
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the dome place in the island, they're just bringing out these new adults and they're like, wow,
they just keep finding new survivors out there. And it's like, but surely that messes with their
whole worldview, because if they're being told you can't survive out there, then how seven years
later, they still finding perfectly healthy survivors. You know, it doesn't, you know,
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I would have thought people would question things sooner. Yeah. But I think there's all part of
their system of not questioning things, not having memories from your host, which is where,
what is his name? I was going to call him Logan. Lincoln. Lincoln and Logan. Lincoln and Logan.
Lincoln and Logan. Ewan McGregor. Ewan McGregor has memories from himself. They're educated to
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the point of, it was like a seven year old. A 15 year old. 15 year old. They're not taught about
sex. They're not given any sex drive. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense because it's
otherwise, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, it's a very interesting way to do it because they,
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later on in the movie, it was explained that they tried growing, like what they sell to the investors,
the people who are buying these copies, the aggregates, what do they call them? Alginates.
That they're just a mindless ball of like organs, kept alive on like life support. They don't have
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a brain. So, you know, blah, blah, blah. But in reality, when they tried that, it didn't work. So
basically, Sean Bean is basically breaking a bunch of international rules and growing full clones.
And that's why they're all underground. And then that's why they can't have anybody get out because
then it all becomes a big like, well, they're all going to go to super prison. Yeah. It's just,
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yeah, it's a very. Somebody's gotta go to prison. Yeah. Well, he doesn't. Sorry, spoiler alert.
I was quoting National Treasure. Oh, okay. Where it is Sean Bean who just go to prison. Yeah. After
that line is said. Yeah. Somebody's gotta go to prison. This is on your checkbook marks of Sean
Bean does die in the movie. Wow, spoiler. Yeah. I think the, yeah, I thoroughly enjoy the island.
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It's a very fun movie. Though I will say one thing, and this is for all Michael Bay,
his B roll is so jarring. Have you noticed that? I thought you were going to talk about the sexism.
Oh, the sexism is ongoing. Yeah. And also on the Michael Bay weird B roll shit.
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The whole chase scene, there's a whole chase scene and I got annoyed at it while we were watching it
and then I found out. Which chase scene? Because it's Michael Bay and there's like multiple chase scenes.
Yeah, there's so many chase scenes, but there's a whole like car chase scene where
you and O'Gregor and Charlie Johansson are on the back of a truck carrying train wheels.
Even though we have just seen that in this universe, the trains are like maglif's.
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Yeah, maglif's. So they do not have wheels. Yeah. Train wheels do not exist in this world.
They literally do not exist. There are no train wheels. Trains don't have wheels.
And yet there's a big chase scene on the back of a truck with train wheels and they throw train
wheels at people. In turn, that it's just that Michael Bay was driving on the hot wheels.
And he was behind a truck that was carrying train wheels and went, that looks dangerous.
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And decided to put it in the movie. Like, I guess not even having any consideration for the fact
that it makes no sense in the context of the film that he's made. That's fair. You tried to
like find a logic for it. Yeah, I was just like, they're clearly going to get recycled.
No, it was literally just that he's an idiot. Yeah, but he is an idiot because he told
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Ben Affleck to shut the fuck up when he asked him about why they couldn't just teach astronauts
how to drill. Yeah. I mean, he literally paid to have all of Ben Affleck's teeth replaced.
Yeah. We've been over this. His interview, the casting call for Megan Fox to go and go back
to your sexism thing, was bringing her over to his house while he watched her wash his car.
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That's disgusting. Like people talk about like, oh, since me too, it's all better.
There's like, no, no, people are still fucking creeps. They're just not going to like
assault people. They're just going to be just creeps in general. I think you get to a point
in power where people just don't say no to you anymore. You're like, I'm king of the planet.
I can do whatever I want. Why is he so gross? Yeah, he makes movies for 13 year old boys.
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That's his whole gag. Another film. Maybe he wasn't educated past the age of 15.
I mean, that's what we're learning here. Scarlett Johansson wanted to go topless for
The Island and he said no, because it would have changed the rating and then 13 year old
boys wouldn't have been able to watch it. It's a fun fact for you. Yeah. Which one did you enjoy
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more, The Island and Logan's Run? She's thinking. I think probably The Island. I mean, they both
had a lot of stuff that didn't make any sense, but I feel like there is some attempt to write a plot
in The Island. What do you mean some attempt to write a plot? What the hell was happening in
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Logan's Run? Well, it was really simple. The facility was clearly built on some sort of
fish processing plant. Let me ask you, you're the Logan's Run expert. You love Logan's Run.
I'm not the expert, but yeah. You're a Logan's Run expert and you've seen it many times. I have.
You love this movie. You own it on DVD. I enjoy this movie. I own it on DVD.
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Let's do some rapid fire question round. Okay. Why did the computer choose Logan to go outside
and find the sanctuary? Because he brought an ankh back, which is a symbol of sanctuary.
Okay. And it's outside of his education. How did the robot age him by four years? Lasers. Okay.
Why would the robot not answer any of his questions? Probably because it didn't know
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the answers and therefore it couldn't ever tell him that it didn't know the answers because it's
supposed to be unfallible. Why couldn't the robot just let him out instead of making him think he
was going to die and forcing him to go on the run? The same reason they do it to Snake Plissken in
the Escape movies to give him like some motivation. Because they put virus and tiny bombs in him,
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remember? Why was that old man the only person alive outside? Because everybody else had grown old
and died from old age and he was just eating walnuts surrounded by cats the way I want to go.
Why did he keep quoting T.S. Eliot? Because probably the only friends he's ever had were
people in books. Because from the understanding of it, his parents probably died when he was like 20
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or something. So he's been alive for like 40 years alone. Why was there a robot freezing people?
Because I was going to explain that I'm pretty sure that the facility that they all lived in was
built on top of a like seafood processing plant and the only thing that was survived from that was one
of the automatons that called Box who was obsessed with ice sculptures and freezing people while they
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were naked. Why was it Wilson Fisk? Because they needed a voice actor who was recognizable.
Well he wasn't Wilson Fisk when they cast him in that because he did it like 20 years later.
No I'm saying that's why they cast Wilson Fisk as the guy who played Box. Because Box is such a like...
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No I'm saying that... Oh right so you're saying they wanted Box, they wanted Wilson Fisk to sound
like Box. Yeah they were like when they were making Spider-Man they were like you know how
should we get to play Wilson Fisk? The guy who played Box. How did they all just like get out the roof?
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Explosions and lasers. Well clearly anti-gravity technology exists. It is weird that there was no
escape plan later on for the facility. Like the facility was just like a closed loop and no one
was ever going to leave. To the point where it's very strange that the machine was just like oh
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okay cool just let people run away. Like it was so... the AI that's running the place is so fixated
on the number and I think that's where a lot of the problems came from. Because it explains to Logan
when the ageism gives him the uncontelism to go find sanctuary that 1056 people have gone,
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have run away, like escaped. So I'm assuming because it can't like just like beam them and
then grow a new one. And the whole fact that like reincarnation was all made up as a form of another
form of control. Like people's lust for the island. I think that's the reason why because it was just
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an AI system that was in a closed loop. Like what most... that's the first why people have been like
trying to tell us that AI is evil and now everyone's put it in their phone. It just doesn't make
it doesn't make changes to its understanding in a way where it doesn't understand the consequences.
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It's like so laser focused. Like all the androids are trying to kill Ripley. How did... how come Logan
didn't know that there was anything outside of the dome and yet he then later said that
he believed the dome was powered by the ocean?
Well I think that's just poor script writing. How come they escaped through like this ice tunnel
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and went through the wilderness and arrived in Washington DC but then when they went back they
knew exactly how to get in from some pool on the top of the dome that they didn't know was there
before even though they knew exactly where it was somehow? Because I'm assuming there was a time skip.
Why'd they leave the old man on the roof? So all the people who had never seen an old
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people can come out and touch him. Why was there only plan to go in and scream at people when they
knew that people wouldn't believe them? Well that's the plan for lots of politicians and they get
elected. How did he break the computer with his mind? Because like I said it was like stuck in a
loop where it was so focused on just getting the number down to zero. How did the crystal get in
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their hands? Probably surgically implanted when they're babies. But then why is it bigger than
a baby's hand when they're adults? Maybe it's an organic crystal that grows with you. Why
did it not turn back to the colors it used to be when they went back inside the dome?
Maybe the water outside broke it. Well then why would it not be? Or maybe it was like a
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maybe the system when you get outside like it only has sensors with inside the facility
and when you go out it just like resets it like if you took like a cell phone outside of
where there's signal you just the phone just disappears. Why did Francis not change his mind
when he got out and discovered that there were old people too? Because he was horny for murder.
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Because I think Logan he feels that Logan betrayed him. That was the whole thing Logan betrayed him
and but the robot told Logan to do that yeah but is there any point in that time where he's like
hey I'm on a mission can you like help me instead of trying to kill me right no if the computers
like the AI have been analyzing people for all this time for like multiple centuries or whatever
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how did it not know that like making Logan feel like he was gonna die was gonna make him actually
want to escape instead of doing what it said? Well he did do his job in the end because like when they
get to the sanctuary door like the door through the the sixth place where everyone does drugs at
the beginning because it's just misted out of the roof and before they all get taken away to the
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orgy pits and they sneak through the back door that's built into the wall and then they go
downstairs and then they he's told to like clasp his hands on his head he does like activate his
tracking device on his like radio multi-purpose communicator thing so he's still doing his job
at that point. But then why can't he tell the other guys so that they don't try to kill him?
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Because that would ruin his budding relationship with the girl who's way too young for him. No but
why did the computer not want him to tell even though? Because then it wouldn't be realistic
because then other people the computer doesn't know who who's part of this like whole conspiracy
because there's multiple people over multiple generations it's not like it's like it's an
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underground rail like network thing that's going on. Who'd the doctor get a phone call from?
The people from the the sanctuary group Unx Alliance. Why did he start helping him and then
start shooting him with lasers all of a sudden? Because he got a phone call in between he just
explained it. He was like oh I'm gonna help you change your face so you can help escape. Why did
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the doctor fist fight him in the room with all the lasers even though the doctor knew the lasers
were gonna kill one of them? Because lasers are cool and they wanted to have someone sliced up
with lasers. Why did Holly forget everything and then have to be reminded bit by bit to be like oh
yeah that did happen when it was 10 seconds later? Probably because she was on she's she would have
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also had to go through the sex dungeon place with all the drugs.
Okay so there's Logan's run for you. You want to do this on the island as well? I don't have as
many questions about the island. Yeah but you have some. Why was the Unregretter's accent so bad?
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Just because it was because he had to like ham up his Scottish accent when he was playing his Tom
You've hit another trigger another point there. A. How did Lincoln mimic the Scottish accent so
perfectly when he'd never heard a Scottish accent before and B. Where did he learn the word shite?
Yahoo answers. I don't think he was looking on Yahoo answers. Okay. Also I think what didn't
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was then they got to the MSN home page so probably would have been Bing. Oh yeah from Bing.
He was searching Bing for Scottish slang terms to use. I don't know how did they survive falling
off a skyscraper? Michael Bay bullshit. It's that scene I will admit. The amount of times they take
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like continuous gunfire no one gets hit the whole fact of the giant R falls off the building
and clearly you see on screen whoever would have been inside the hole of the R would have been
completely and utterly fucked up because it's clearly on there's like metal pipes and shit going
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through the center of it but they just like fall into some built construction netting yeah and then
a black guy is just like Jesus loves you Jesus definitely loves you yeah yeah that's how they
survive it um probably because the cool thing that they plan to do when they're playing the
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game was just like too radical and they were like oh shit because that's the thing about stunts when
you like do stuff like that live action stunts is like you never know what's actually going to happen
the guy the like hitman guy the guy he's not supposed to be the guy who has the like the best
character arc yeah absolutely yeah the guy who Sean Bean pays to track them down yeah right he
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corners Lincoln and famous designer Tom Lincoln yeah is that his name Tom Lincoln yeah um and he
can't tell which one is which and but he knows that one of them is an important asset for his
boss and the other one is a client who paid five million dollars to his boss why does he
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shoot one of them and kill him without knowing which one is which actually he's not a boss
without knowing which one is which actually why would he shoot either of them anyway yeah it is
it is that moment i will admit is dumb writing um the reality is they should have both been arrested
at gunpoint and then interrogated to find out which one was which yeah they would have made way
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more say to them or stun them or do something and then like bring them both back to the but it's like
it's because when i what i remembered before rewatching it for this um was like during the
fist fight before he rocks up his when he like clips the like wrist band onto him right yeah no
but he doesn't like clearly right in front of him he's just like oh that guy's going on the wrong
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arm yeah this guy's got a wristband on better shoot him in the chest yeah
but he does help them in the end because he realizes that they're all branded like cattle
and then he talks about being in africa and how it was you know being treated less than human so
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he's got a brand on his hand and that's when he's just like you know to old sean bain um
you know how's it like playing god etc etc and then realizes that he's a piece of shit and he's on
the wrong side and ends up helping scullet joe from her friends the the same series because
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they've all got like memories from their original hosts into a giant oven yeah which is very
fascist yes here's a question here's a here's a here's a big question for the island why
is the movie made in 2005 way less progressive than the movie made in the 1970s
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and i think i already explained we we both explained it earlier the michael bay sexist yeah but i'm
talking about uh consent queerness um again it's a michael bay movie made aimed at 13 year old boys
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well it's i mean that's gross like are you saying that we should be teaching 13 year old boys that
being gay is a joke no i'm just saying that that's the mindset of the people who aim movies
exclusively at that like i think that's terrible i think i think we should be making movies for that
demographic that are more inclusive yeah and open yeah that makes positive yeah that makes a lot
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more sense um because logan's run like when he goes to look for like something because he it's
basically like tinder except they like trans they teleport them to you yeah that teleportation is
also a technology that's just glossed over yeah yeah so they've got teleportation tinder and he
gets like a dude first right and then he's like oh no thanks and then goes on and then when he meets
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her and she's not interested he's like oh are you more do you prefer women and she's like no and he's
like oh okay but like it's totally accepted yeah like normal even though like at the time i think
there was there was an entire building that pre-drugs he with horny drugs yeah no that's why
what i'm saying is that uh it was three years when the movie was released it was three years after
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homosexuality was was taken out of the list of medical disorders right so like three years prior
to logan's run being made people were still considering queerness to mean that you were like
you had a mentally ill mental illness um and then 30 years later we have the island where there's a
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scene where um you know there's a whole joke like out of a weirdly extended joke like they drag out
for a stupid amount of time um about lincoln cornering steve risham in the bathroom while he
still has his pants down and a guy walks in and over here someone is like oh they're gay
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and it's like i mean i you know i mean it could have been worse he could have like had the guy
beat them up for being gay but like just the fact that it's just a bit of a joke like the only
inclusion of anything related to queerness in the movie is to be like isn't it funny if someone
thinks you're gay yeah it's a michael bay movie i don't know how i'm more i'm not defending him
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i'm just admitting that that's a michael bay thing i don't yeah i don't agree with it either um but
also i just think it's stupid i think like why would what's the point especially if you're
supposed to be saying i mean us good things are setting this the future but it's the distant future
of the year 2019 yeah which is only 14 years after when when this was made apparently also five years
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ago i know it's five years ago with our maglifts god damn it and my clothes blade runner also
happened in 2019 and like you know that was that was somewhat of a distant future at that point
it's like i think so apparently they had originally like planned for it to be
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like a thousand years in the future or something and then budget cuts they kept bringing it back
in time which would end up being like almost modern it's like a couple of years from now
this is where they just have like weird prototype cars and you know yeah um like the minority report
cars in there yeah the jet the wasp jet bike things call um i don't know how they'd physically fly
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because like they don't have wings and without wings you don't have a lot of lift and they
don't look large enough to be able to propel themselves off the ground and also forward
but even large enough having multiple engines yeah there's yeah they're all using like
guns with just stuff on them to make them look futuristic but i guess other than the alien guns
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is pretty much what um elisium and also district 9 did so it's all pretty similar
yeah you're right there yeah you look like just exploded inside your own head no i just yawned
i yawned without opening my mouth you yawned with your mouth shut yeah this is almost the same thing
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i think exploded inside your own head yeah um i don't know do you want to go to i don't know
like i don't know you just asked me a bunch of questions we didn't know anywhere
what do you want what do you want to compare about this yeah no no i the thing is is that i feel
other than the statement that logan makes which is directly like yeah but now i'm gonna die so it's
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more important that's so funny to me other than that because it is very much that is the funniest
bit of writing it does remind me a little bit of i think i took down the quote exactly it was like
i don't know sorry i'm looking at the wrong one all right when you're ready and it's different now
because it's me yeah yeah um in star wars a new hope yeah which came out after this yeah and you
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remember who consoles who after their desert hobo gets killed
forgetting because of poor writing that princess leia's entire planet was recently just blown up
possibly with her alive family on it yeah because it's like you get the prequels and and and the tv
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show where it's like got her dad her adopted dad running around yeah but it's like the future where
like people live for ages so i'm assuming and because of the weird prequel timeline now we it's
not that she's that long after like they were possibly 40 and she's like 20 and then she's like
(33:23):
possibly 40 and she's like 20 she's 18 yeah yeah so it's been like yes it's been 17 years or whatever
so they're alive her parents are alive when alderaan is blown up and then it's like no my
desert hobo friend oh don't worry i'll console you because here's the other thing is that luke
just met obi-wan kenobi where he's like i already knew him yeah yeah like we even yeah don't come
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to me about no but even in the context of only a new hope yeah like without any other star wars
extended universe existing no tv series no other movies she's the one who sends the message being
like obi you know obi-wan kenobi you're my only hope you know she's she's the one who is like
sending a message to him so she knows who obi-wan kenobi is she knows him yeah and then luke has
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just met this guy didn't even know his name before and then he's like no the desert hobo
yeah and do you like you mean my old friend obi-wan kenobi and also my childhood and my also my entire
planet yeah it is very much like that it was the island logan's run is a far more progressive
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in regards to consent free love basically just did like a beta but the here's here's the one
downside to it what color of skin are all the characters and logan's run
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they only saved white people yeah they only saved white people from the apocalypse
there is not a single person of color in that entire movie
so progressive and one in certain areas
is um uh facially xenophobic and possibly eugenicy and others i feel like to some extent
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the island is a little bit racist though as well because they have like two main black characters
one of which dies very early on yeah who's clearly like the the best football player of like america
yeah yeah yeah um so you just have like super strong you know microclark duncan yeah super
strong michael clark duncan um being like dragged on the floor crying like a baby
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yeah and then cut open and kill um and then the other guy is a firstly a bad guy but then it like
his whole arc is that i mean i know i appreciate like it's a decent arc but like if you take it
and go like this is your like one black character who lives the end of this movie and his whole arc
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ranges on the fact that he was branded as like a slave and his and they also have brands yeah
that's his whole personality is i will change my whole life because i was because i saw someone
had a brand and i had a brand it's also the fact that he's been paid and then goes and helps them
so his job the job's done like he's finished like his check is at the like in the mailbox
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yeah and then he's all like i'm gonna help these people now yeah it is a bit what yeah but it's
literally like the only thing that the only reason his mind changes is that he sees the brand on her
wrist yeah and you see it like in that moment and then he has a you know that conversation
which i'm being where he's like oh you get to play god and then he tells him that like and he shows
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in the brand on his hand and tells a bit his family and blah blah but like can a person not
have compassion without like he is a mercenary who clearly has like the assets of a small fucking
country at his disposal yeah the fact that they have jet bikes the fact that they just have
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like armored armored vehicles armored vehicles bags with just like different um authoritarian
like name plates on them yeah yeah swat fbi yeah just at a moment's notice to be able to change
everybody's vests to be able to track people through like radio frequency like it's ridiculous like
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yeah there's a lot i don't know how like because it's never like told how much he actually charged
him could have been like two and a half million dollars like i think it's more than that i think
it's way more than that because the the clients pay five million for the insurance thing yeah so
it's worth like tens of millions hundreds of millions of dollars it's not to mention the
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fact that when he finds out that like they're all the like generations are learning memories from
their like is it like genetic memories like xenomorphs i don't know i think it's i think it's
things like because you see it with um um with lincoln that like it's very much a kind of a
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muscle memory yeah uh or it starts as like a muscle memory because this guy is a designer
who draws and he can also draw the the same thing that he had drawn yeah so it's i think it's a
it's coming from that like idea of muscle memory and you know the kind of things that you still
remember even if you have amnesia you know or you had severe trauma head trauma or mental trauma
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or anything like the fact that you kind of muscle memory he can drive a car yeah and fly a jet bike
but he doesn't know what a red light is yeah yeah so i think that's it's a muscle memory thing um
which is why once his face filling in gaps michael clark duncan's able to like shoulder barge a dude
for safety glass exactly exactly yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah and that's how scuttle joe
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hanson knows how to kiss no she doesn't know she watched a video of herself which was an act which
was an actual ad scar joe was in that wasn't filmed for the thing yeah she watched a an ad
that her sponsor was in and watched them kissing and was like oh i'll go try that yeah and then
you're in with gregor's all like i like the thing you do with your tongue do more of that creep um
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yeah it is yeah there are there are some issues uh with these movies but you know that's science
fiction in general honestly um it's never really been made or aimed at women or people of color
oh it was like um what what do you what do you mean what am i talking about
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women women have been enjoying sci-fi since like women invented sci-fi i know sorry let me rewind
yeah yeah brent yeah i know mary shelley invented science fiction i know don't be like sci-fi has
never been aimed at women what nonsense did you just spat out of your mouth women invented
science i know i'm what i'm saying is is the the i'll rephrase what i said the popcorn sci-fi is
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not aimed at women popcorn sci-fi yeah as in big budget explosions transformer michael bay the whole
michael bay genre the fifth element that's made by a frenchman yeah it was made by a frenchman i
didn't say it wasn't made by a frenchman i don't know what point are you trying to make are you
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saying that that's not that that movie isn't appealing towards to women and people of color
no not saying that when there's a very strong female character than that and also ruby rod
yeah who they were wasn't a prince that they originally wanted for that that would make sense
i didn't know that but that would make so much sense yeah that i mean that feels like a prince
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character um to reiterate the two the transformers in transformers uh the ones that aren't like white
characters are incredibly racist but you know about the weird like non there's white and non-white
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transformers what what allegories for them i don't know anything about transformers that's a weird
statement to have made they're like two giant the i think it's two it might be three there's two
jive talking transformers jive talking transformers yeah michael bay got a lot of shit for it
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right and i think the only the only transformer that would be like jazz i think is the one that's
killed by megatron okay yeah weird yeah michael bay makes racist yeah i was gonna say michael bay
is racist and sexist yeah and gross yeah why do we keep watching his movies for this podcast
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because they have very similar plots to other movies that's true he does keep ripping off other
movies yeah yeah that's the caveat here that michael bay does continuously rip off of the movies
you see the other movie that apparently ripped off is called the clonus horror was it the island or
the island okay uh so literally they were sued by the producers of the clonus horror and they
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they settled for an indiscriminate amount out of court so we don't know how much money they paid
over to the indian probably an ida is it is it a movie or a book did you say a movie i believe
okay you want to find the plot of the clonus horror yeah like just like yeah find the subnoxus
is it just like a blurb or yeah just like a blurb and we'll see how close it is okay
(43:15):
rather than going to watch it um so this the like short blurb on imdb just says in a seemingly
perfect society one member discovers the truth about the outside world as well as their ultimate
purpose i think the fact that it's called the clonus horror is probably a hint
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um i'll see if there's a longer okay there's a longer one here it says
a young man escapes from a government-run project called clonus only to find out that jeff knight a
presidential candidate is conspiring to keep clonus a secret top government officials are aware of it
and support the super secret project because they are cloning themselves so they live longer and
better lives at the expense of their slave-like clone counterparts ethical and moral values are
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explored as the escapee known as richard returns to clonus only to find his girlfriend lobotomized
for government security purposes yeah that's pretty similar 1979 so this came out just after
logan's run here's a question for you in us in us why were there duplicates of people
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what sorry oh right um you spoiled us for people i think right now which is the movie that oh i said
spoilers um oh my god i'm trying to remember well you said spoil you didn't say spoilers for what
spoilers for us the movie the horror movie us yeah um so please please skip the next couple
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of minutes if you haven't seen us because i know we haven't put that on the thing um my memory of
it is that there was like a secret government project where they made duplicates of everyone
and then it started to go awry so they abandoned it but then they just left them living down there
but it's never i don't think it's never really explained how they are linked to the person above
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and you know why they just go around doing exactly what they do and yeah because it's like
quantum mechanics of the whole like spin up spin down thing what tackle the mechanics works
quantum entanglement um do you know this is some trivia uh we've already kind of covered most of
it actually to be honest uh one thing that we didn't mention is that the opening
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opening landscapes in the island where they're like you know they had opens panning over those
landscapes yeah new zealand i was gonna say the opening landscapes and logan's run are all
miniatures and they look awesome they were reused for something else well i've forgotten one um but
they did yeah the logan's run miniatures got reused but yeah the landscapes and the opening
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of the island is just new zealand and then when they have the bits on the boat it's in italy of
course they love boats and latin they do like latin in italy yeah that's true very true and
pizza and spaghetti um probably yeah that's pretty much it there's no trivia for anything else uh not
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that we haven't already spoken about already we kind of we kind of already went to do it pretty
much i enjoyed the q a session that was yeah that was fun there was a different you struggling to
come up with new format i had to try and think about what i couldn't just answer with lasers we
did kind of just make up that on the spot that wasn't like a rehearsed format so i didn't i
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didn't have like pre-written questions um fun to do them well next time we have a movie that
you've seen multiple times that i've ever seen i'm going to be asking you questions on the same
format nice all right um you can find us on our website i was gonna say twitter and instagram
(47:05):
because it's been so long since i've said it that we we don't use twitter anymore you can find us
you can still find us on instagram and facebook at it takes two underscore pod um we are on our
website it takes two dot co. on z it also has links to us in many other places including youtube and
discord and our discord link is also in the show notes if you want to have a chat with us discord
(47:28):
is a good place to do it we've got many channels that you can use there's an episode discussions
channel which is probably the most most commonly used but there's also memes and whatever else
standard discord related discordory thanks yeah thank you for joining us on this episode which
was 83 82 82 one ahead thank you goodbye
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