October 7, 2024 • 53 mins
For our first Spooktober episode this year, we are comparing Happy Death Day (2017) and Before I Fall (2017) - two movies about young women stuck in a time loop on the day they die.
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The Movies:
Directed by Christopher Landon
Written by Scott Lobdell
iMDb Rating: 6.6
Directed by Ry Russo-Young
Written by Maria Maggenti & Lauren Oliver
iMDB Rating: 6.4
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Music
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa.
And I'm Nik.
And you're listening to It Takes Two,
a podcast where two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them.
And despite my lovely co-stars' generalist introduction,
it's spooky season and this is a first October episode.
It is. And we have watched two movies that maybe aren't even horror movies.
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One of them is a black comedy.
One of them is a drama, I believe.
Yeah.
But they are twin films. They were released within the same year and they do have the same general premise.
Yeah, and I forgot the bit that I did.
It was, the movies were, are, okay, Before I Fall from 2017 and Happy Death Day from also 2017.
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Yeah, so Before I Fall was released, I think, 12th of February.
Ah, there was a re- Let's just see.
Sundance Film Festival, January 21st, 2017 and got a theatrical lease in March.
Oh, okay. I think it's, then it's set on, it's set in February,
but it's set on the day that Groundhog Day was originally released.
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Yeah.
Which I think is the 12th of February. It's just before Valentine's Day, anyway.
And then the other one was released November, I think.
So it's about nine months apart, roughly.
Just like a Irish twin, October the 13th.
Oh, okay.
So it was released during spooky season.
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It was released during spooky season.
Aimed at couples going on dates to horror movies.
Probably.
Because that is an industry.
They do fall under the same Groundhog Day principle.
They do.
Where there's a time loop.
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I'm glad it never became like a thing. I'm glad there wasn't just like an endless supply of time loop movies.
Obviously, every single action or fantasy sci-fi series has done it.
I'm a time loop fan, so I can't say I dislike the trip.
Okay. So other than Groundhog Day, which is what is your favorite?
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Lost Chrono-Criminas, Time Crimes.
Oh, yeah. Time Crimes is great.
Time Crimes is the best.
Correct.
It's a time loop film.
Yeah, I was testing you.
I'm a looper fan, as people know.
Yeah, that's only one loop.
Yeah, it's one big loop.
Triangle is a good one.
What was the movie we watched when we were dating during COVID?
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Is this like a test?
Yeah, it did come out that way, didn't it?
A time loop film that we watched.
Yeah, there were two people in a house.
Oh, Ark. I love Ark. Ark is a great film.
Yeah.
That was probably the third or fourth time I had seen it.
Are you sure about that?
Ha ha ha ha. Very funny.
Yeah, no, Ark is a really enjoyable.
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I think that was a Netflix production.
Palm Springs is probably the best one I've seen recently.
Palm Springs is good.
What are your thoughts on considering
Predestination to be a time loop film?
That's not really a time loop.
It's a predestination.
But it is a time loop.
Yeah, but it's like a predestination.
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OK.
I mean, it is a time loop.
Yeah, but it's only looping for that one individual.
Right, right, right.
I mean, that's...
You haven't seen Triangle, have you?
Of Sadness? Yeah, I saw it.
No, not Triangle of Sadness. Triangle.
There's a movie just called Triangle.
That is a time loop film.
OK.
Does it move in a triangular fashion?
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Oh, yes, a little bit.
Oh, that's interesting.
As in, like, the loop can go in either...
You've seen Primer, right?
Yeah, I've seen Primer.
Good.
Otherwise, I would have to have left you.
I mean, I don't think Primer is as revolutionary as...
Or I think it's overrated a little bit.
Yes, but for like the budget...
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But I say that... Sorry, I must say, I say it's overrated.
I don't think most people have heard of it.
Overrated within...
The weird cult community.
Yeah, yeah.
That form around these weird movies like Cube and...
I do love Cube, which is not a...
Platform was really good, but I don't think that really got a...
Does HyperCube care about this time loop?
I haven't seen any others in Cube.
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We had this discussion in person.
Yeah, because the sequel to Cube is called HyperCube,
and it's about a tesseract instead of a cube.
So Cube within cubes within cubes.
Yeah, but it's like...
Delicious.
There's a time element to it.
There's like an extra dimension.
There's a time element to everything.
It's just linear.
Okay, there's a nonlinear time element.
Oh, nonlinear.
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I love nonlinear time elements.
Enough ranting and bullshittery aside, folks,
who are listening from home, work or transit.
Or you could be in a time loop.
This is not... This episode is not going to help you,
because I'm going to rip one of these movies to pieces.
Is there anything you would like to say before we get into it, Lisa?
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I think one of these movies is better than the other.
That's a given.
And I think it is, in this case, not always the case.
In this case, it is the one that was more successful.
As in went on to have sequels.
Yes.
Hang on, you said...
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What?
Are you saying the more successful one is the worst one?
No, it's a better one.
I said one is better than the other.
Okay, I thought you...
Oh my God, okay.
So to clarify...
Sometimes the more mainstream, successful movie is not the better movie.
In this case, it is.
Okay.
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Happy Death Day is an enjoyable movie.
Before I Fall is not.
I mean, this is the second time I've seen Before I Fall,
and I did enjoy it the first time.
I just... It's not...
I don't like the characters as people.
Yeah.
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And they don't really have any development.
Yeah, because it only happens in one day.
It's just like a...
It's kind of just like...
It's just a stupid movie if you don't really want to think...
You know, if you're just looking for like a...
I don't...
Something to put on the background.
I think this movie, Before I Fall comes off as a movie
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that feels like whoever created it wanted to make a movie
that when niche film people said to their not so niche film friends
or just regular people,
Oh, you haven't seen this movie?
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Like, that's the kind of like...
Really? Okay.
Like fart smelly, enclosed, like farting in an elevator kind of feel
that I got about this movie.
It was on Netflix.
So I don't, you know, I don't know if that's...
It's what it felt like.
I don't think Netflix is the home of artsy movies that people...
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It was the home of a lot of weird artsy projects in the beginning.
Yeah, this is not in the beginning.
It's from 2017.
Um...
Yeah.
I didn't have a lot of flicks in 2017.
Can I tell you my favorite piece of trivia that I found out about it?
Sure.
So the lead actress in Before I Fall, the lady who you...
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Described as low definition.
Yeah, you kept saying she had a low definition face.
So Zoe Deutsch is her name.
And I've seen her in this and a couple of other films.
What I didn't know is that her mother is Leah Thompson.
Now, is that a familiar name to you, Nick, who's not very good with names?
Yes.
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Who is she?
I don't remember.
The name's familiar.
OK, how about I'll give you the name of a character she plays.
You might recognize this name, Lorraine McFly.
Weird.
Yeah.
So Marty McFly's mother is her actual mother.
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So that's interesting that she ended up in a time movie when her mom is famous for the
Back to the Future trilogy.
Yeah.
Just something about...
It was either the way...
OK, I will give Before I Fall one piece of credit.
The actors are closer in a believable way to the counterparts they're playing on screen
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because Happy Death Day is a bunch of college students and it's going back to the 90s when
30 year olds are playing college kids.
I don't know if anybody's been to a college recently and I remember what I looked like
at college when we did that weird deep dive looking back at photos I was in college.
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And you look like a goddamn baby.
And everybody I knew looked like babies.
No one had like...
I don't know a singular person.
Maybe it's a small town and maybe it's New Zealand.
But I remember a small...
Anybody having like washboard abs and a five o'clock shadow at their first class in the
morning.
Yeah, I have no idea.
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Because that's what a lot of American media looks like.
Yeah.
Did everybody just take like five year gap years?
Well, I don't know.
Is that what college students look like in America or like...
No, because...
Is it also an unrealistic standard over there?
It's 100% an unrealistic standard.
Because that's absolutely...
Because I love...
There's a comparison I've seen a few times which I think is very funny and it's comparing
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the TV show Euphoria, which I've never watched but I've seen what the characters look like.
Is it the one with...
It's a day out.
Yeah.
So you've seen what the characters look like in that, right?
I'm saying comparing the look of the characters in Euphoria to the look of the characters
in Derry Girls where they're both...
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Where they're playing the same age group in the same stage in school in two different
countries and it's like, oh yeah, that's what I looked like and felt like when I was 17
years old.
Like I did not...
This other thing is not remotely like any experience that I had.
That's always the girl who wears makeup always wears way too much makeup.
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Everything is to the extreme.
And I mean Derry Girls, most of them are in their 20s.
Some of them are in their 30s playing teenagers but incredibly, believably.
It's well cast, well costumed and the makeup is done in a way that they look like they're
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teenagers.
So, believably so, unlike all these American shows where they're all like models.
Yeah.
Literally models.
And weirdly Japanese anime also does it as well.
Well, they're all like adult models.
But they're like supposed to be like 17.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It's a strange thing.
It seems to just be very prevalent but it's especially I feel like in American media.
And I don't know do teens just look entirely different over there but I suspect they don't.
No.
Maybe it's maybe you just...
I was going to make a really terrible joke but I won't make it.
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Moving on from Lisa's terrible joke that got the podcast cancelled.
Happy Death Day is yeah, it's a black comedy.
It's not technically a horror movie.
It's definitely.
It's a slasher film.
Yeah, it's going to say it's definitely playing on the slash.
It's a sub genre in horror.
It is playing on the slasher trope.
100%.
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The killer is...
Spoilers.
Spoiler alert.
Yeah.
Actually really, really well written.
Yeah.
Happy Death Day on the other hand...
No, this is...
Oh, sorry, sorry.
Before I fall on the other hand is strangely unfulfilling.
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And I feel like Happy Death Day just kept me engaged the entire time.
Yeah.
It's interesting because I mean before I fall you start off...
She gets to a place of not caring too quickly and that's what pisses me off about it.
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I think they're trying to emulate Grandhog Day where he's at a point where he doesn't
care about whatever but in Grandhog Day they make it clear that he took him hundreds of
times through this.
He's literally mastered other skills and things so it's like how long has he been in this
loop?
Whereas before I fall it's like she finds out after maybe two loops that it's not her
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death that's causing it.
That it's looping anyway because she does die the first couple of times.
And then when she wakes up and realizes it's not that she just instantly doesn't care about
anything and is a dick to everyone and is like I tried changing everything and nothing
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changed.
And it's like you tried one thing.
You literally tried one change.
It is very much the teenage girl equivalent of I tried something and it didn't work so
I give up.
I don't know if I've quoted this before but it estimates it as 12,000 times for Grandhog
Day.
Oh for Grandhog Day.
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That makes sense.
So about 34 years.
Which is insane.
Yeah yeah.
It makes it very clear.
And there's hints I think I can't remember if I say it right but there's hints that he
did try killing himself and then woke up.
And that's you know there's some very horrifying implications in Grandhog Day.
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Palm Springs I think did it very well.
I thoroughly enjoyed that movie.
It's a great movie.
If you enjoy the genre.
Because there's a lot of people that are really polarized on the subject of Andy.
What's his last name?
Andy Samberg.
Andy Samberg.
I will say for the people who are polarized I'm not an Andy Samberg fan.
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But I did enjoy Palm Springs.
You also watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
I did watch Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
I didn't look particularly like him in it.
I didn't watch all of it.
I didn't get to the end of it.
Yeah don't.
Stop watching it before it got taken over by other people.
Yeah but yeah I do like Palm Springs.
Happy Death Day.
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I think she has a more normal reaction to it and she does the whole trying to explain
to people thing and then like gets a plan from someone else and then goes through trying
multiple times to enact that plan and then like does the annoyed like you didn't your
plan didn't work and he's like what are you talking about?
Why are you looking shocked?
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I just realized I forgot a great time loop movie.
Oh yeah what was it?
You haven't seen it.
Oh what is it?
Oh you can't tell me because it's a spoiler that it's a time loop?
Or is it?
I don't know.
Live Die Repeat.
It's Edge of Tomorrow.
Yeah.
Live Die Repeat.
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That's what the they literally call it then.
So it's I think it's supposed to be a time loop movie.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
I don't think it's a spoiler that's a time loop movie.
If it is then they did terrible marketing for it.
Source code is interesting.
Yeah source code is an interesting time loop movie.
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Yeah I genuinely love time loop movies.
Yeah I just I'm glad the genre like because there's a lot of sci-fi shows I can name ones
that are forced you to watch that all have time loopy episodes on them.
The Fastscape one's pretty good.
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Do you remember that one?
It keeps getting the lady trying to have sex with Kryton who looks like Dargo whatever
his name is Dargo.
She's like a subspecies but it turns out she's like just like spoilers for Fastscape.
Like an enemy spy who's trying to like steal black hole technology.
I really don't remember this at all.
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And she's like he's carrying like a death mask of.
It's just not a good show.
It's a great show.
So anyway this is the end of the episode and the podcast and our relationship.
No the yeah Happy Death Day like the oh my god.
Okay I'm gonna jump to I think the pinnacle of this entire movie.
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She has the perfect run and I fucking love it because Before I Fall has like the rebellious
teenage white girl solution to everything which is I'm gonna be a dick to all my friends
and like dress in a slutty dress and put eyeliner on and you know do all these like edgy things
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that I normally don't do because I'm the quiet like it's not the opposite of a pick me the
blank slate for people to put their own selves on.
Here go Bella and Twilight.
Yeah she does all this but the other one is just like Happy Death Day.
She gets the perfect loop.
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She's super nice to everybody.
She's doing all these cool things.
She kills the killer before the killer can kill her.
And spoilers spoilers spoilers.
He was never the killer.
He was never the killer and she gets the cupcake that her roommate made her and she dies in
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her sleep and wakes up the next day and you're like holy shit.
It was never the like imprisoned currently in hospital escaped serial killer.
That it's implied killed her mom.
Yeah.
It's so good.
Yeah it was it was the roommate tried to poison her with a cupcake and every other run she
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didn't eat the cupcake.
Yeah.
Oh fantastic.
And it's funny because remember I think I said it I was getting annoyed that they introduced
this guy out of nowhere like two thirds of the way into the movie they're like oh and
there's this serial killer who killed my mom who was in the the hospital and he must have
escaped and done it and I was like oh that's kind of a letdown because considering you
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know how good this was going with the slasher genre to this point like it's always someone
who was introduced at the beginning and spoiler alert it was someone who was introduced at
the beginning.
It's such a good because that's like that's the pinnacle of these time loops.
Yeah.
The all of media is just like the person getting everything perfect that last time and the
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loop heans and they carry on.
Before I fall did it as well I mean not as not as they didn't do it as well as it but
they also did that she had her her perfect loop where she you know got her friends to
stop bullying the girl and then she went and spent time with her family and was you know
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she really nice to her sister and went out in the woods with her and then had it you
know had dinner with her parents and was all and then went to the party to to do what she
thought she needed to do to stop the loop and it didn't work so she went back the next
day and just only did that.
Yeah.
So no one else remembers that she had the perfect thing or that she had made this you
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know had this nice relationship with her sister for that day or whatever.
What annoys me about this movie is it's the before I fall is because she is so stereotypical
and her friends all play like a cut and paste like stereotype.
She's I think what they were trying to go for is that she's Katie Heron Lindsay Lohan's
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character from Mean Girls where she's just like slotted into this group of of of mean
girls you know it's it's the realization that her friends actually are really shitty yeah
which is why it's ironic that she originally goes for that I'm going to be a dick to everyone
rude rather than that oh we should be nicer people rude whereas the whole premise of Happy
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Death Day was that the guy who wrote it said that like so much of the slasher genre or
horror in general starts off with a mean girl getting killed and ends with a nice girl saving
the day right and he said why can't it be the same girl.
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So we start off with a mean girl getting killed and she fucking loops until she becomes the
nice girl who saves the day.
So there's an interesting thing I want to touch on what you brought that up.
That's like that yeah exactly as you said the weird part about before I fall is you
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know like it's this whole ongoing joke in the beginning of the movie between the friends
that this is the day she loses her virginity yeah it's interesting because she's going
out with the hot jock kind of bullshit you know you know it's very much like that very
stereotype and she has no time for the guy who's throwing a party yeah that's like the
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end of the night and then later on in the loops it turns out that she's always she was
like friends with them when they were like little kids and and there was no like weird
gender divide there is in children where you know boys and girls can't be friends at all
it's like a weird ball saying when they go on the outside they split apart and then come
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back together.
Yeah there's an age where it doesn't matter and then there's like a group of ages where
it's like you can't be friends with them and then you're back to mingling again.
It reminds me of every joke about school dances where like the boys and the girls stand on
the other side.
Oh yeah there's like magnets pulling them too.
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Because they can't they don't want to but they're like all talk before yeah and then
they're like I'm gonna dance with all the girls I'm gonna go ask them and it's like
how do you get a boy to ask you to dance but then no one does because they're literally
children yeah and they're too afraid to have fun yeah it is very much a very interesting
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dynamic between those two characters because in the first couple of loops she has literally
no time for them they're giving out roses at the beginning I forgot there was like a
main key point is it giving out roses like Cupid Day yeah copyright friendly Valentine's
Day just so St. Valentine doesn't sue you.
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Pretty sure he's dead.
The 99% sure anyway it's like I mean I again I think they're copying Mean Girls because
it's the candy canes yeah yeah yeah Mean Girls and it's you know and they purposely you know
that she uses that system to turn them against each other yeah and they're using that the
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rose system to bully this girl who used to be best friends or whatever.
That is a very interesting like that is also Mean Girls by the way yes because Janice Ian
yeah was formerly Regina's friend yeah right isn't that a whole thing yeah it's a whole
thing is like she the reason why they call her Mellow Yellow is because the the mean
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girl the like the boss of the group um he went through a horrible divorce and started
wetting the bed and then blamed it on somebody else to sleep over and then yeah there was
like how she became ostracized within the popular girls yeah it's just very interesting
that they they you know she develops this like relationship with someone who was a friend
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it becomes romantic and the bit that pisses me off and the reason why I don't like this
movie I genuinely won't watch it again unless gunpoint um Sophie's Choice um which would
be Strider clearly sorry so sweet.
Wow.
Because um she doesn't like fight for it she just like accepts it she's like oh to save
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this person I have to spoilers I'm the one who has to kill myself tonight and that ends
the loop even though she's died before and other lose but that's what saves it because
the loop is because the girl commits suicide yes the loop is after they bully her the loop
is when that girl dies or because that girl dies not when she dies because there is there
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is one the first one where she where um Sam survives they wake up and have the text saying
that the girl died yeah um but the loop seemingly is caused by that girl dying yeah so by stopping
her from dying she saves it um but she just like but so weird sacrifices herself yeah
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the only like it just seems strange to me that the only way for the loop to end is hurting
her to like kill herself in front of her so she doesn't do it later it seems just like
a cop out of like oh and then everyone died at the end the end print the movie you know
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what I mean yeah yeah um because it makes much more sense yeah yeah because it just
gets so much more like there's so much more build she grows as a character and then it
doesn't matter it's all reset to zero again yeah and again like the perfect day doesn't
exist it's you know like Donnie Darko is a great time loop movie Donnie Darko is a great
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time loop movie and it is because of spoilers for Donnie Darko honestly I don't know why
you're listening to a podcast where two people take two movies in the same plot and premise
and watch them when you could be watching Donnie Darko if you've never seen it also
12 monkeys I do like 12 monkeys had you seen 12 monkeys before we dated we haven't watched
it together must be just me and Strider I've only seen it before we get it yeah me and
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Strider just watch 12 monkeys all the time do you no um I was going back to my Sophie's
choice joke um the it'll be on the podcast at some point I think depending on what our
Sophie's choice no 12 monkeys 12 monkeys because 12 monkeys I mean 12 monkeys is based on a
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short film right it is a remake but I don't it depends on whether we want to count short
films in it um Donnie Darko is fantastic and Donnie as a character grows and then goes
back to the beginning yeah um same with source code obviously ironically the same actor yeah
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um yeah just just so disappointing to me as a viewer because I was like her face is so
low definition what I mean by that is she doesn't she's got a baby face yeah but she
doesn't emote with it right it's just it's just eyes and a mouth and an oval the whole
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movie yeah she's in a terrible rom-com where she tries to set up Lucy Liu with someone
I think the a character or the actor no okay sorry Lucy Liu plays like the CEO of a company
and she and Zoe Deutsch plays her assistant or something personal assistant and she tries
to set her up with some businessman or whatever for I can't remember why it's not a very good
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movie I'm a businessman um yeah shout out to Tom Cardy um the um I was gonna say oh
I was gonna write it the term businessman no I was gonna say shout out to all my cardigans
but I don't know what is um like followers call themselves my Tom cardigans um the yeah
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it's just it's just oh it's just disappointing yeah like all of her friends are like four
dimensional characters with their own like you know I'm covering up my fears by being
a bitch to everybody I'm the dumb one I'm the you know Asian girl I'm the you know and
she's just like I'm a brunette I could be the every girl I'm just gonna sit in the corner
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and agree with everybody everything else everybody says oh no I'm the catalyst for the you know
apocalypse um have you ever seen a bloom home um yeah I just don't I don't get it because
she like thinks of herself as like a good person and a nice person but she even when
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she's not doing the one where she just doesn't take to everyone she kind of is yeah because
she's not very nice to her little sister until like she starts appreciating this like and
then she literally doesn't look so is nice to her sister for one loop and it's not the
final loop so her sister doesn't know that she was ever nice to her yeah so she dies
having been a dick to her sister and her parents yeah she's dick to her sister's dick to her
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parents she's not a great friend and she also just but she also just goes along with whatever
they do so she bullies that girl even though then like you know you discover a couple loops
and she's like hey why are we mean to her because she literally doesn't know yeah which
is so stupid the other and she's a dick to that guy which one the guy that likes her
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the guy that she actually has a connection with yeah I can't remember the freaking characters
it doesn't matter they're so low definition I can't remember them in the characters names
but yeah she's a dick to him in the beginning even for the first few loops she's a dick
to him and then she's a dick to her boyfriend but not necessarily in the like initially
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but she just definitely doesn't seem to really care about the boyfriend yeah he definitely
doesn't seem to care about her either so it's very much like an appearances thing I guess
yeah it's very it's very weird that there's so much build up to her losing her virginity
and like it's like all they can talk about in the first like I mentioned it I'm not looping
myself even though that would be funny and he just like does he know that's happening
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because all he does is get drunk and hit on other people yeah it's a shitty relationship
yeah and it's just very stupid and she's but she's just not a nice person but she's also
not like overtly mean girlish you know I mean she's just kind of like scenery yeah she's
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just like she's literally an NPC yeah and I don't know why she's the focus of the movie
the north west eastern wherever the set which is very like the northwest eastern yeah so
no it's not the south anywhere would say like north mid-west no north mid-east what the
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hell is it called what's that area of the states called what area they even I don't
know where they are they're like in the twilight area I don't know which I've never watched
or read Twilight well so I don't know where Twilight is that okay we have any dislikes
thing without enjoying it I mean I saw the scene is fantastic any interest in it Muses
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cool shout out to test the violet shout out to my violets like shout out to Violet squad
it's all filmed in Canada so that's not actually yeah but that's that's what it feels like
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it feels like Canada feels I know but like that's where it feels it feels we are like
even on a nice day it's probably supposed to be set in like Seattle or something no
because it's too mountainy and they drive for like ages to get a school true they've
got a weird fancy school yeah that is it reminds me of Twilight and you haven't seen it yeah
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it does seem like one very fancy school does it say where it's supposed to be in mid east
west I'm telling you the mid north east west yeah yeah of course how could I have gotten
that wrong it doesn't even say in the plot I don't think we're supposed to know but
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it's mountainous and it's like drizzly and cold but people still like go outside so it
does feel kind of like the southern point of Canada yeah which is where it's filmed
yeah so of course it feels like that yeah but it's not like Alaska-y it's like actually
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well it's like still breeding weak people but like it's comfortable and stupidly wealthy
because everyone's house is like ginormous yeah and the school is like super fancy so
fancy yeah it's just regular public school in Canada fancy is that just what regular
public school in Canada I don't know I've never been I mean I've been to Canada but
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not to a public school because I was an adult oh I was talking about school um also Canada
you heard it here first yeah I don't know a little bit anyway what was I reading continuing
on with this this thing you know like the one happy death day negative that I will see
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is the school that they go to other than the fact that the actors are like 30 and playing
like 18 19 year olds whatever college they're going to has a very bizarre mascot the baby
yeah well that's made up for the movie I know I am aware of that no school would put a baby
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as a mascot because they might there's so many schools in the states if they all have
to have different mascots yeah but they just pick an animal and then give it some sort
of mythical powers it's very easy to come up with a mascot Lisa pick an animal any mammal
pick a mammal well I know no pick a mammal pick a mammal pick a mammal any mammal okay
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now give it a special ability that like one ability that Superman has laser vision yeah
so you get laser saber-toothed tiger as you're done yeah exactly so you'd sellable instantly
this how you make a master no no sorry it's laser owl versus space kitty
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laser Kiwi it was a flag you know the t-shirt I'm talking about laser else yeah no one else
knows what the hell I'm talking about that's fine that's why I'm gonna laser owl versus
oh no it's space wolf I think is that right laser up as a baseball and there's like guys
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with javelins on the back of the wall right yeah I remember my own t-shirt that sounds
very plausible yeah but any of those could be the mascot over a giant yeah I was like
supposed to be cupid I don't think he says we keep it II know because the cupid is the
other you're confusing yourself I was I was trying to have a look at the trivia I took
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down I don't think I took it down but I remember reading about it that the director wanted
something that could be scary but also could be funny and was a bit absurd but still believably
could be a mascot yeah and that's why the killer for the most hot like basically half
the movie murders her with stabbing and it's a very like one and you're done kind of stabbing
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yeah which doesn't feel as it feels more executionary than menace full with malice she's spoilers
we've already explained to us of her roommate yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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where's this weird baby mask and a black hoodie yeah yeah but also because there's loads of
people around campus wearing the baby mask because it's a mascot yeah yeah because there's
something particular happening was there a game I can't remember there was a cross maybe
I don't remember I can't remember there was some there was some reason why people were
wearing it yeah because it also turned out the first person that you see being creepy
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in it not the first person there's a whole group wearing it I think it's the first person
who turns out and stares at her and you're like oh no and then in the second loop she
stops and stares at that person and it's not the killer and it's some guy and he goes off
of his friends you're like oh okay just also a person wearing the killer was wearing the
killer is the mask the the director also tested the mask to see if it would work as a scary
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mask by just wearing it in his office and scaring one of his co-workers and then we
were like yeah it doesn't work okay which I think is very funny my favorite mask scene
is from there's a baby driver where they all get Mike Myers masks yes but he turns up with
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Mike like they go to Michael Myers as in yeah as in Halloween but he turns up with Mike
Myers as in Austin Powers that's so great that's so funny that's incredible yeah that's
so good do you want to get into some trivia yeah we've already kind of got into some trivia
we can continue with some trivia you want to talk about budget and box office then?
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I actually didn't even take them down but I can do that I can tell you because I thought
that before I fall wouldn't have any box office because that's what was Netflix production
did it get it oh you said it was released at Sundance so just get a theatrical release
I'm just so used to the post 2020 days where all the Netflix things don't get released
anywhere yeah I think I've already given you the trivia that I had about before I fall
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which was not very much and the for happy death day yeah I've kind of talked about some
of these already apparently the script was written I don't think this might have been
added to Netflix but it wasn't like Netflix produced I thought it was a Netflix produced
thing but it obviously wasn't I think you're just lying to her no I just I genuinely I
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saw it on Netflix originally and I thought it was a Netflix produced thing it feels like
kind of quality yeah it feels like a Netflix movie so the script was written I think maybe
the shitty romcom she's in the Netflix production that seems like it's called sped it up which
is a stupid name anyway the script for happy death day was apparently written ten years
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earlier allegedly in 2007 and it was supposed to be produced by Michael Bay and starring
Megan Fox that smells like all of that already yeah he is a creep she deserved better yeah
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she doesn't deserve better now but she did then yeah and the the university in happy
death day is called Bayfield University which I assume is a reference to Michael Bay yeah
I think I don't I feel like nothing against Megan Fox but I feel like it was well cast
in the version that we actually got yeah and I don't think there'll be enough explosions
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and for Michael Bay yeah and shitty it'll be annoying it was all just explosions every
time she gets stabbed she explodes oh I want to talk about one thing that I've completely
forgot about I keep thinking about it and holding the thought and then disappearing
the thought do you want to do that or do you want me to read the last bit of trivia last
bit of trivia okay so the last bit of trivia that I have here about happy death day is
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that the original ending had tree tree is the name of a character she hasn't mentioned
so far so coming to her injuries like really because it shows oh that's what you want to
talk about that's what I was going to get to yeah is that she is so every other death
loop every other move loop movie when you wake up your how you woke up that time this
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is the only loop movie I've ever seen other than the weird scenes in looper and the weird
thing in butterfly effect where she's sustaining injuries yeah each loop and she's like they're
healed I say that an air quote yeah so she wakes up healed but you realize after a certain
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amount of loops that she's weak or she realizes she's getting weaker yeah and then she passes
out and it gets scanned and it turns out she's got a whole lot of scar tissue yeah from
stabs and hitting the head and like yeah yeah which is horrifying yeah that's super fucked
yeah really cool though what an interesting aspect because she knows that there's only
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a certain amount she can do it she's not indestructible yeah anyway so the original ending had her
succumbing to her accumulated injuries after she kills lori her real killer and then it
says she's being treated for her injuries by her professor's wife and then yes the whole
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subplot is that she was sleeping with her professor who is a doctor at the hospital
and then the professor's wife murdered her again as revenge for sleeping with her husband
and started a new time loop and apparently test audiences were raging they were absolutely
fucking furious they got so angry about it they said they felt betrayed that the protagonist
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after going through all the all that she does and becoming a better person that she couldn't
break free and ended up in another loop and it was supposed to be you know to let the
viewer think oh my god this is never gonna end it's kind of like I'm gonna spoil another
movie here because I think we watched it together the final girls yes we did watch the spoiler
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for the final girls if you haven't seen that one which is I consider that a time loop as
well yeah it's time it's time loop it's more like time travel yeah but there is at least
a couple of things in the beginning yeah you know when they don't get on the on the in
the car and then the car comes back after the runtime of the film and spoiler so so
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the final girls is they're in they they they're in a cinema watching a cult classic slasher
film that one of their dead mothers was in and then the cinema goes on fire and they
go through the screen and they end up in the movie somehow yeah but the last action hero
style the spoiler is that at the end when they survive it they're in a hospital they
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wake up in a hospital and then it turns out it's the sequel to the movie and they're still
in the movie which is so good but that's obviously the same kind of thing they're going for here
that she's ending up you know she never actually gets to leave the loop she's still in another
loop but people really hated it so it got scrapped and they reshot the ending they did
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a new ending but then apparently the the sequel ignores the new ending it says but I don't
know what that means because I haven't watched the sequel yet so we'll have to watch the
sequel to find out I guess do we? I think it'll be fun I enjoyed happy death day I'd
be happy to watch the sequel okay yeah not for the podcast just for fun just for funsy
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yep did you say you had the budget in box office or do you want me to? yeah I do you
know which one made more because you mentioned it at the beginning well happy death day was
you know got sequels and was more like people know happy death day yeah I don't think many
people know about before I fall okay so I will give you which one do you think was more
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expensive I feel like happy death day was more expensive as well it wasn't no by two
hundred thousand dollars cheaper so happy death day was four point eight million cost
and before I fall was five million how many dollars do you think was between the two of
these movies as in profit at what from revenue from the movie as in like the box office or
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as in how much I just got box office I don't have like royalties and DVD sales yeah no
but I mean like box office or the difference between budget and box office the box office
what do you reckon the differences between the box office something fucking astronomic
I think so you're saying budget was four point eight million for happy death day correct
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I'm gonna say box office 32 million okay and for the other one five million budget seven
million box office you're off by about 90 million dollars 19 million how much did oh
my god so it made like a hundred and before I fall cost five million yeah and made eighteen
point nine million right actually successful yeah that's pretty decent I'm not gonna shit
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on that that's better than I thought happy death day cost four point eight million and
made a hundred and twenty five point five million dollars that's why I got sequels that's
incredible yeah I knew I well I knew it was way more successful I didn't go is that much
yeah that's crazy that's that's like a million dollar movie making like 60 million dollars
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that's really well at least I can't do maths it's too late at night yeah that's really
good that's great yeah I mean I think I think that's well deserved I think that I think
that that movie was made by people who loved the genre and really wanted to put something
into it I made it's a fun movie I mean I don't think it's well it is it's it's kind of horror
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comedy it's a dark comedy slasher thing yeah so it is to some extent horror comedy hell
is this tape oh it's scones okay but it's um it's very fun I really I actually genuinely
enjoyed it the only time I got angry at it was when I thought they were making the serial
killer the the killer and that it was like they just introduced they're just like three
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quarters of the way into this movie whatever like oh by the way my mom was killed by a
serial killer and this is him and he's in the hospital he was the killer all along do
you know who I thought was the killer her dad oh the doctor no the guy who she the guy
that she slept with in the beginning of the movie that's what I thought but who was the
killer that was like the twist yeah no I think I think they did it perfectly I think the
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roommate who made her a cupcake because there's hints there's hints that she's an absolute
dick to her roommate yeah and then it's like why is her roommate making her a cupcake anyway
yeah and she didn't make her a cake yeah just she didn't make her something to share she
made her something just for her yeah yeah it's great there's hints to it though in the
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movie okay I don't know did you catch those no it was the first time I was watching it
it was the first time I was watching it but I caught one of them and I was like wait I
was like that's weird but I didn't really think much more of it which was that when
you know the time she gets arrested by the cops yeah and then the killer like sets fire
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to the oil spill and explodes her yeah she uses the birthday candle from the cupcake
all right and I was like that's so weird and I was like is it just because the killer knows
her and knows it's her birthday like is that it like why are they using a birthday candle
I can't remember what the other was there was another hint that was her and I remember
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like oh when I looked it up I can look it up again real quick but I remember just being
like oh they did do some fucking foreshadowing but but I did like I remember noticing the
the candle because I was like that's a weird way to light yeah I just thought it was a
weird detail I thought it was a very weird specific detail oh the other one was a bit
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more subtle I feel like in in the on the in the first day before the loop happens yeah
she goes to see the professor and who she's cheating on which she's having the affair
with in the hospital and her roommate knows about the affair because she says to her that
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she I think she tells her she should end it but then she says it's bound to have some
pretty serious consequences and obviously the serious consequence was I'm going to kill
you for doing this yeah but yeah I did think like when when the killer used a birthday
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candle to light that I thought it was an odd choice and then with the reveal at the end
it makes so much more sense that she would have had that on her you know and the irony
of using your own birthday candle to blow you up yeah thank you for joining us if you
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movies yeah exactly it's a surprise for everyone it's like um it's one point yeah I I think
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Music
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa.
And I'm Nik.
And you're listening to It Takes Two,
a podcast where two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them.
And despite my lovely co-stars' generalist introduction,
it's spooky season and this is a first October episode.
It is. And we have watched two movies that maybe aren't even horror movies.
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One of them is a black comedy.
One of them is a drama, I believe.
Yeah.
But they are twin films. They were released within the same year and they do have the same general premise.
Yeah, and I forgot the bit that I did.
It was, the movies were, are, okay, Before I Fall from 2017 and Happy Death Day from also 2017.
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Yeah, so Before I Fall was released, I think, 12th of February.
Ah, there was a re- Let's just see.
Sundance Film Festival, January 21st, 2017 and got a theatrical lease in March.
Oh, okay. I think it's, then it's set on, it's set in February,
but it's set on the day that Groundhog Day was originally released.
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Yeah.
Which I think is the 12th of February. It's just before Valentine's Day, anyway.
And then the other one was released November, I think.
So it's about nine months apart, roughly.
Just like a Irish twin, October the 13th.
Oh, okay.
So it was released during spooky season.
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It was released during spooky season.
Aimed at couples going on dates to horror movies.
Probably.
Because that is an industry.
They do fall under the same Groundhog Day principle.
They do.
Where there's a time loop.
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I'm glad it never became like a thing. I'm glad there wasn't just like an endless supply of time loop movies.
Obviously, every single action or fantasy sci-fi series has done it.
I'm a time loop fan, so I can't say I dislike the trip.
Okay. So other than Groundhog Day, which is what is your favorite?
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Lost Chrono-Criminas, Time Crimes.
Oh, yeah. Time Crimes is great.
Time Crimes is the best.
Correct.
It's a time loop film.
Yeah, I was testing you.
I'm a looper fan, as people know.
Yeah, that's only one loop.
Yeah, it's one big loop.
Triangle is a good one.
What was the movie we watched when we were dating during COVID?
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Is this like a test?
Yeah, it did come out that way, didn't it?
A time loop film that we watched.
Yeah, there were two people in a house.
Oh, Ark. I love Ark. Ark is a great film.
Yeah.
That was probably the third or fourth time I had seen it.
Are you sure about that?
Ha ha ha ha. Very funny.
Yeah, no, Ark is a really enjoyable.
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I think that was a Netflix production.
Palm Springs is probably the best one I've seen recently.
Palm Springs is good.
What are your thoughts on considering
Predestination to be a time loop film?
That's not really a time loop.
It's a predestination.
But it is a time loop.
Yeah, but it's like a predestination.
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OK.
I mean, it is a time loop.
Yeah, but it's only looping for that one individual.
Right, right, right.
I mean, that's...
You haven't seen Triangle, have you?
Of Sadness? Yeah, I saw it.
No, not Triangle of Sadness. Triangle.
There's a movie just called Triangle.
That is a time loop film.
OK.
Does it move in a triangular fashion?
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Oh, yes, a little bit.
Oh, that's interesting.
As in, like, the loop can go in either...
You've seen Primer, right?
Yeah, I've seen Primer.
Good.
Otherwise, I would have to have left you.
I mean, I don't think Primer is as revolutionary as...
Or I think it's overrated a little bit.
Yes, but for like the budget...
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But I say that... Sorry, I must say, I say it's overrated.
I don't think most people have heard of it.
Overrated within...
The weird cult community.
Yeah, yeah.
That form around these weird movies like Cube and...
I do love Cube, which is not a...
Platform was really good, but I don't think that really got a...
Does HyperCube care about this time loop?
I haven't seen any others in Cube.
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We had this discussion in person.
Yeah, because the sequel to Cube is called HyperCube,
and it's about a tesseract instead of a cube.
So Cube within cubes within cubes.
Yeah, but it's like...
Delicious.
There's a time element to it.
There's like an extra dimension.
There's a time element to everything.
It's just linear.
Okay, there's a nonlinear time element.
Oh, nonlinear.
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I love nonlinear time elements.
Enough ranting and bullshittery aside, folks,
who are listening from home, work or transit.
Or you could be in a time loop.
This is not... This episode is not going to help you,
because I'm going to rip one of these movies to pieces.
Is there anything you would like to say before we get into it, Lisa?
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I think one of these movies is better than the other.
That's a given.
And I think it is, in this case, not always the case.
In this case, it is the one that was more successful.
As in went on to have sequels.
Yes.
Hang on, you said...
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What?
Are you saying the more successful one is the worst one?
No, it's a better one.
I said one is better than the other.
Okay, I thought you...
Oh my God, okay.
So to clarify...
Sometimes the more mainstream, successful movie is not the better movie.
In this case, it is.
Okay.
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Happy Death Day is an enjoyable movie.
Before I Fall is not.
I mean, this is the second time I've seen Before I Fall,
and I did enjoy it the first time.
I just... It's not...
I don't like the characters as people.
Yeah.
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And they don't really have any development.
Yeah, because it only happens in one day.
It's just like a...
It's kind of just like...
It's just a stupid movie if you don't really want to think...
You know, if you're just looking for like a...
I don't...
Something to put on the background.
I think this movie, Before I Fall comes off as a movie
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that feels like whoever created it wanted to make a movie
that when niche film people said to their not so niche film friends
or just regular people,
Oh, you haven't seen this movie?
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Like, that's the kind of like...
Really? Okay.
Like fart smelly, enclosed, like farting in an elevator kind of feel
that I got about this movie.
It was on Netflix.
So I don't, you know, I don't know if that's...
It's what it felt like.
I don't think Netflix is the home of artsy movies that people...
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It was the home of a lot of weird artsy projects in the beginning.
Yeah, this is not in the beginning.
It's from 2017.
Um...
Yeah.
I didn't have a lot of flicks in 2017.
Can I tell you my favorite piece of trivia that I found out about it?
Sure.
So the lead actress in Before I Fall, the lady who you...
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Described as low definition.
Yeah, you kept saying she had a low definition face.
So Zoe Deutsch is her name.
And I've seen her in this and a couple of other films.
What I didn't know is that her mother is Leah Thompson.
Now, is that a familiar name to you, Nick, who's not very good with names?
Yes.
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Who is she?
I don't remember.
The name's familiar.
OK, how about I'll give you the name of a character she plays.
You might recognize this name, Lorraine McFly.
Weird.
Yeah.
So Marty McFly's mother is her actual mother.
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So that's interesting that she ended up in a time movie when her mom is famous for the
Back to the Future trilogy.
Yeah.
Just something about...
It was either the way...
OK, I will give Before I Fall one piece of credit.
The actors are closer in a believable way to the counterparts they're playing on screen
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because Happy Death Day is a bunch of college students and it's going back to the 90s when
30 year olds are playing college kids.
I don't know if anybody's been to a college recently and I remember what I looked like
at college when we did that weird deep dive looking back at photos I was in college.
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And you look like a goddamn baby.
And everybody I knew looked like babies.
No one had like...
I don't know a singular person.
Maybe it's a small town and maybe it's New Zealand.
But I remember a small...
Anybody having like washboard abs and a five o'clock shadow at their first class in the
morning.
Yeah, I have no idea.
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Because that's what a lot of American media looks like.
Yeah.
Did everybody just take like five year gap years?
Well, I don't know.
Is that what college students look like in America or like...
No, because...
Is it also an unrealistic standard over there?
It's 100% an unrealistic standard.
Because that's absolutely...
Because I love...
There's a comparison I've seen a few times which I think is very funny and it's comparing
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the TV show Euphoria, which I've never watched but I've seen what the characters look like.
Is it the one with...
It's a day out.
Yeah.
So you've seen what the characters look like in that, right?
I'm saying comparing the look of the characters in Euphoria to the look of the characters
in Derry Girls where they're both...
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Where they're playing the same age group in the same stage in school in two different
countries and it's like, oh yeah, that's what I looked like and felt like when I was 17
years old.
Like I did not...
This other thing is not remotely like any experience that I had.
That's always the girl who wears makeup always wears way too much makeup.
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Everything is to the extreme.
And I mean Derry Girls, most of them are in their 20s.
Some of them are in their 30s playing teenagers but incredibly, believably.
It's well cast, well costumed and the makeup is done in a way that they look like they're
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teenagers.
So, believably so, unlike all these American shows where they're all like models.
Yeah.
Literally models.
And weirdly Japanese anime also does it as well.
Well, they're all like adult models.
But they're like supposed to be like 17.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It's a strange thing.
It seems to just be very prevalent but it's especially I feel like in American media.
And I don't know do teens just look entirely different over there but I suspect they don't.
No.
Maybe it's maybe you just...
I was going to make a really terrible joke but I won't make it.
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Moving on from Lisa's terrible joke that got the podcast cancelled.
Happy Death Day is yeah, it's a black comedy.
It's not technically a horror movie.
It's definitely.
It's a slasher film.
Yeah, it's going to say it's definitely playing on the slash.
It's a sub genre in horror.
It is playing on the slasher trope.
100%.
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The killer is...
Spoilers.
Spoiler alert.
Yeah.
Actually really, really well written.
Yeah.
Happy Death Day on the other hand...
No, this is...
Oh, sorry, sorry.
Before I fall on the other hand is strangely unfulfilling.
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And I feel like Happy Death Day just kept me engaged the entire time.
Yeah.
It's interesting because I mean before I fall you start off...
She gets to a place of not caring too quickly and that's what pisses me off about it.
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I think they're trying to emulate Grandhog Day where he's at a point where he doesn't
care about whatever but in Grandhog Day they make it clear that he took him hundreds of
times through this.
He's literally mastered other skills and things so it's like how long has he been in this
loop?
Whereas before I fall it's like she finds out after maybe two loops that it's not her
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death that's causing it.
That it's looping anyway because she does die the first couple of times.
And then when she wakes up and realizes it's not that she just instantly doesn't care about
anything and is a dick to everyone and is like I tried changing everything and nothing
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changed.
And it's like you tried one thing.
You literally tried one change.
It is very much the teenage girl equivalent of I tried something and it didn't work so
I give up.
I don't know if I've quoted this before but it estimates it as 12,000 times for Grandhog
Day.
Oh for Grandhog Day.
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That makes sense.
So about 34 years.
Which is insane.
Yeah yeah.
It makes it very clear.
And there's hints I think I can't remember if I say it right but there's hints that he
did try killing himself and then woke up.
And that's you know there's some very horrifying implications in Grandhog Day.
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Palm Springs I think did it very well.
I thoroughly enjoyed that movie.
It's a great movie.
If you enjoy the genre.
Because there's a lot of people that are really polarized on the subject of Andy.
What's his last name?
Andy Samberg.
Andy Samberg.
I will say for the people who are polarized I'm not an Andy Samberg fan.
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But I did enjoy Palm Springs.
You also watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
I did watch Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
I didn't look particularly like him in it.
I didn't watch all of it.
I didn't get to the end of it.
Yeah don't.
Stop watching it before it got taken over by other people.
Yeah but yeah I do like Palm Springs.
Happy Death Day.
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I think she has a more normal reaction to it and she does the whole trying to explain
to people thing and then like gets a plan from someone else and then goes through trying
multiple times to enact that plan and then like does the annoyed like you didn't your
plan didn't work and he's like what are you talking about?
Why are you looking shocked?
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I just realized I forgot a great time loop movie.
Oh yeah what was it?
You haven't seen it.
Oh what is it?
Oh you can't tell me because it's a spoiler that it's a time loop?
Or is it?
I don't know.
Live Die Repeat.
It's Edge of Tomorrow.
Yeah.
Live Die Repeat.
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That's what the they literally call it then.
So it's I think it's supposed to be a time loop movie.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
I don't think it's a spoiler that's a time loop movie.
If it is then they did terrible marketing for it.
Source code is interesting.
Yeah source code is an interesting time loop movie.
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Yeah I genuinely love time loop movies.
Yeah I just I'm glad the genre like because there's a lot of sci-fi shows I can name ones
that are forced you to watch that all have time loopy episodes on them.
The Fastscape one's pretty good.
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Do you remember that one?
It keeps getting the lady trying to have sex with Kryton who looks like Dargo whatever
his name is Dargo.
She's like a subspecies but it turns out she's like just like spoilers for Fastscape.
Like an enemy spy who's trying to like steal black hole technology.
I really don't remember this at all.
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And she's like he's carrying like a death mask of.
It's just not a good show.
It's a great show.
So anyway this is the end of the episode and the podcast and our relationship.
No the yeah Happy Death Day like the oh my god.
Okay I'm gonna jump to I think the pinnacle of this entire movie.
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She has the perfect run and I fucking love it because Before I Fall has like the rebellious
teenage white girl solution to everything which is I'm gonna be a dick to all my friends
and like dress in a slutty dress and put eyeliner on and you know do all these like edgy things
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that I normally don't do because I'm the quiet like it's not the opposite of a pick me the
blank slate for people to put their own selves on.
Here go Bella and Twilight.
Yeah she does all this but the other one is just like Happy Death Day.
She gets the perfect loop.
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She's super nice to everybody.
She's doing all these cool things.
She kills the killer before the killer can kill her.
And spoilers spoilers spoilers.
He was never the killer.
He was never the killer and she gets the cupcake that her roommate made her and she dies in
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her sleep and wakes up the next day and you're like holy shit.
It was never the like imprisoned currently in hospital escaped serial killer.
That it's implied killed her mom.
Yeah.
It's so good.
Yeah it was it was the roommate tried to poison her with a cupcake and every other run she
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didn't eat the cupcake.
Yeah.
Oh fantastic.
And it's funny because remember I think I said it I was getting annoyed that they introduced
this guy out of nowhere like two thirds of the way into the movie they're like oh and
there's this serial killer who killed my mom who was in the the hospital and he must have
escaped and done it and I was like oh that's kind of a letdown because considering you
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know how good this was going with the slasher genre to this point like it's always someone
who was introduced at the beginning and spoiler alert it was someone who was introduced at
the beginning.
It's such a good because that's like that's the pinnacle of these time loops.
Yeah.
The all of media is just like the person getting everything perfect that last time and the
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loop heans and they carry on.
Before I fall did it as well I mean not as not as they didn't do it as well as it but
they also did that she had her her perfect loop where she you know got her friends to
stop bullying the girl and then she went and spent time with her family and was you know
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she really nice to her sister and went out in the woods with her and then had it you
know had dinner with her parents and was all and then went to the party to to do what she
thought she needed to do to stop the loop and it didn't work so she went back the next
day and just only did that.
Yeah.
So no one else remembers that she had the perfect thing or that she had made this you
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know had this nice relationship with her sister for that day or whatever.
What annoys me about this movie is it's the before I fall is because she is so stereotypical
and her friends all play like a cut and paste like stereotype.
She's I think what they were trying to go for is that she's Katie Heron Lindsay Lohan's
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character from Mean Girls where she's just like slotted into this group of of of mean
girls you know it's it's the realization that her friends actually are really shitty yeah
which is why it's ironic that she originally goes for that I'm going to be a dick to everyone
rude rather than that oh we should be nicer people rude whereas the whole premise of Happy
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Death Day was that the guy who wrote it said that like so much of the slasher genre or
horror in general starts off with a mean girl getting killed and ends with a nice girl saving
the day right and he said why can't it be the same girl.
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So we start off with a mean girl getting killed and she fucking loops until she becomes the
nice girl who saves the day.
So there's an interesting thing I want to touch on what you brought that up.
That's like that yeah exactly as you said the weird part about before I fall is you
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know like it's this whole ongoing joke in the beginning of the movie between the friends
that this is the day she loses her virginity yeah it's interesting because she's going
out with the hot jock kind of bullshit you know you know it's very much like that very
stereotype and she has no time for the guy who's throwing a party yeah that's like the
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end of the night and then later on in the loops it turns out that she's always she was
like friends with them when they were like little kids and and there was no like weird
gender divide there is in children where you know boys and girls can't be friends at all
it's like a weird ball saying when they go on the outside they split apart and then come
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back together.
Yeah there's an age where it doesn't matter and then there's like a group of ages where
it's like you can't be friends with them and then you're back to mingling again.
It reminds me of every joke about school dances where like the boys and the girls stand on
the other side.
Oh yeah there's like magnets pulling them too.
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Because they can't they don't want to but they're like all talk before yeah and then
they're like I'm gonna dance with all the girls I'm gonna go ask them and it's like
how do you get a boy to ask you to dance but then no one does because they're literally
children yeah and they're too afraid to have fun yeah it is very much a very interesting
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dynamic between those two characters because in the first couple of loops she has literally
no time for them they're giving out roses at the beginning I forgot there was like a
main key point is it giving out roses like Cupid Day yeah copyright friendly Valentine's
Day just so St. Valentine doesn't sue you.
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Pretty sure he's dead.
The 99% sure anyway it's like I mean I again I think they're copying Mean Girls because
it's the candy canes yeah yeah yeah Mean Girls and it's you know and they purposely you know
that she uses that system to turn them against each other yeah and they're using that the
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rose system to bully this girl who used to be best friends or whatever.
That is a very interesting like that is also Mean Girls by the way yes because Janice Ian
yeah was formerly Regina's friend yeah right isn't that a whole thing yeah it's a whole
thing is like she the reason why they call her Mellow Yellow is because the the mean
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girl the like the boss of the group um he went through a horrible divorce and started
wetting the bed and then blamed it on somebody else to sleep over and then yeah there was
like how she became ostracized within the popular girls yeah it's just very interesting
that they they you know she develops this like relationship with someone who was a friend
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it becomes romantic and the bit that pisses me off and the reason why I don't like this
movie I genuinely won't watch it again unless gunpoint um Sophie's Choice um which would
be Strider clearly sorry so sweet.
Wow.
Because um she doesn't like fight for it she just like accepts it she's like oh to save
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this person I have to spoilers I'm the one who has to kill myself tonight and that ends
the loop even though she's died before and other lose but that's what saves it because
the loop is because the girl commits suicide yes the loop is after they bully her the loop
is when that girl dies or because that girl dies not when she dies because there is there
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is one the first one where she where um Sam survives they wake up and have the text saying
that the girl died yeah um but the loop seemingly is caused by that girl dying yeah so by stopping
her from dying she saves it um but she just like but so weird sacrifices herself yeah
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the only like it just seems strange to me that the only way for the loop to end is hurting
her to like kill herself in front of her so she doesn't do it later it seems just like
a cop out of like oh and then everyone died at the end the end print the movie you know
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what I mean yeah yeah um because it makes much more sense yeah yeah because it just
gets so much more like there's so much more build she grows as a character and then it
doesn't matter it's all reset to zero again yeah and again like the perfect day doesn't
exist it's you know like Donnie Darko is a great time loop movie Donnie Darko is a great
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time loop movie and it is because of spoilers for Donnie Darko honestly I don't know why
you're listening to a podcast where two people take two movies in the same plot and premise
and watch them when you could be watching Donnie Darko if you've never seen it also
12 monkeys I do like 12 monkeys had you seen 12 monkeys before we dated we haven't watched
it together must be just me and Strider I've only seen it before we get it yeah me and
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Strider just watch 12 monkeys all the time do you no um I was going back to my Sophie's
choice joke um the it'll be on the podcast at some point I think depending on what our
Sophie's choice no 12 monkeys 12 monkeys because 12 monkeys I mean 12 monkeys is based on a
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short film right it is a remake but I don't it depends on whether we want to count short
films in it um Donnie Darko is fantastic and Donnie as a character grows and then goes
back to the beginning yeah um same with source code obviously ironically the same actor yeah
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um yeah just just so disappointing to me as a viewer because I was like her face is so
low definition what I mean by that is she doesn't she's got a baby face yeah but she
doesn't emote with it right it's just it's just eyes and a mouth and an oval the whole
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movie yeah she's in a terrible rom-com where she tries to set up Lucy Liu with someone
I think the a character or the actor no okay sorry Lucy Liu plays like the CEO of a company
and she and Zoe Deutsch plays her assistant or something personal assistant and she tries
to set her up with some businessman or whatever for I can't remember why it's not a very good
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movie I'm a businessman um yeah shout out to Tom Cardy um the um I was gonna say oh
I was gonna write it the term businessman no I was gonna say shout out to all my cardigans
but I don't know what is um like followers call themselves my Tom cardigans um the yeah
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it's just it's just oh it's just disappointing yeah like all of her friends are like four
dimensional characters with their own like you know I'm covering up my fears by being
a bitch to everybody I'm the dumb one I'm the you know Asian girl I'm the you know and
she's just like I'm a brunette I could be the every girl I'm just gonna sit in the corner
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and agree with everybody everything else everybody says oh no I'm the catalyst for the you know
apocalypse um have you ever seen a bloom home um yeah I just don't I don't get it because
she like thinks of herself as like a good person and a nice person but she even when
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she's not doing the one where she just doesn't take to everyone she kind of is yeah because
she's not very nice to her little sister until like she starts appreciating this like and
then she literally doesn't look so is nice to her sister for one loop and it's not the
final loop so her sister doesn't know that she was ever nice to her yeah so she dies
having been a dick to her sister and her parents yeah she's dick to her sister's dick to her
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parents she's not a great friend and she also just but she also just goes along with whatever
they do so she bullies that girl even though then like you know you discover a couple loops
and she's like hey why are we mean to her because she literally doesn't know yeah which
is so stupid the other and she's a dick to that guy which one the guy that likes her
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the guy that she actually has a connection with yeah I can't remember the freaking characters
it doesn't matter they're so low definition I can't remember them in the characters names
but yeah she's a dick to him in the beginning even for the first few loops she's a dick
to him and then she's a dick to her boyfriend but not necessarily in the like initially
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but she just definitely doesn't seem to really care about the boyfriend yeah he definitely
doesn't seem to care about her either so it's very much like an appearances thing I guess
yeah it's very it's very weird that there's so much build up to her losing her virginity
and like it's like all they can talk about in the first like I mentioned it I'm not looping
myself even though that would be funny and he just like does he know that's happening
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because all he does is get drunk and hit on other people yeah it's a shitty relationship
yeah and it's just very stupid and she's but she's just not a nice person but she's also
not like overtly mean girlish you know I mean she's just kind of like scenery yeah she's
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just like she's literally an NPC yeah and I don't know why she's the focus of the movie
the north west eastern wherever the set which is very like the northwest eastern yeah so
no it's not the south anywhere would say like north mid-west no north mid-east what the
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hell is it called what's that area of the states called what area they even I don't
know where they are they're like in the twilight area I don't know which I've never watched
or read Twilight well so I don't know where Twilight is that okay we have any dislikes
thing without enjoying it I mean I saw the scene is fantastic any interest in it Muses
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cool shout out to test the violet shout out to my violets like shout out to Violet squad
it's all filmed in Canada so that's not actually yeah but that's that's what it feels like
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it feels like Canada feels I know but like that's where it feels it feels we are like
even on a nice day it's probably supposed to be set in like Seattle or something no
because it's too mountainy and they drive for like ages to get a school true they've
got a weird fancy school yeah that is it reminds me of Twilight and you haven't seen it yeah
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it does seem like one very fancy school does it say where it's supposed to be in mid east
west I'm telling you the mid north east west yeah yeah of course how could I have gotten
that wrong it doesn't even say in the plot I don't think we're supposed to know but
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it's mountainous and it's like drizzly and cold but people still like go outside so it
does feel kind of like the southern point of Canada yeah which is where it's filmed
yeah so of course it feels like that yeah but it's not like Alaska-y it's like actually
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well it's like still breeding weak people but like it's comfortable and stupidly wealthy
because everyone's house is like ginormous yeah and the school is like super fancy so
fancy yeah it's just regular public school in Canada fancy is that just what regular
public school in Canada I don't know I've never been I mean I've been to Canada but
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not to a public school because I was an adult oh I was talking about school um also Canada
you heard it here first yeah I don't know a little bit anyway what was I reading continuing
on with this this thing you know like the one happy death day negative that I will see
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is the school that they go to other than the fact that the actors are like 30 and playing
like 18 19 year olds whatever college they're going to has a very bizarre mascot the baby
yeah well that's made up for the movie I know I am aware of that no school would put a baby
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as a mascot because they might there's so many schools in the states if they all have
to have different mascots yeah but they just pick an animal and then give it some sort
of mythical powers it's very easy to come up with a mascot Lisa pick an animal any mammal
pick a mammal well I know no pick a mammal pick a mammal pick a mammal any mammal okay
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now give it a special ability that like one ability that Superman has laser vision yeah
so you get laser saber-toothed tiger as you're done yeah exactly so you'd sellable instantly
this how you make a master no no sorry it's laser owl versus space kitty
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laser Kiwi it was a flag you know the t-shirt I'm talking about laser else yeah no one else
knows what the hell I'm talking about that's fine that's why I'm gonna laser owl versus
oh no it's space wolf I think is that right laser up as a baseball and there's like guys
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with javelins on the back of the wall right yeah I remember my own t-shirt that sounds
very plausible yeah but any of those could be the mascot over a giant yeah I was like
supposed to be cupid I don't think he says we keep it II know because the cupid is the
other you're confusing yourself I was I was trying to have a look at the trivia I took
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down I don't think I took it down but I remember reading about it that the director wanted
something that could be scary but also could be funny and was a bit absurd but still believably
could be a mascot yeah and that's why the killer for the most hot like basically half
the movie murders her with stabbing and it's a very like one and you're done kind of stabbing
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yeah which doesn't feel as it feels more executionary than menace full with malice she's spoilers
we've already explained to us of her roommate yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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where's this weird baby mask and a black hoodie yeah yeah but also because there's loads of
people around campus wearing the baby mask because it's a mascot yeah yeah because there's
something particular happening was there a game I can't remember there was a cross maybe
I don't remember I can't remember there was some there was some reason why people were
wearing it yeah because it also turned out the first person that you see being creepy
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in it not the first person there's a whole group wearing it I think it's the first person
who turns out and stares at her and you're like oh no and then in the second loop she
stops and stares at that person and it's not the killer and it's some guy and he goes off
of his friends you're like oh okay just also a person wearing the killer was wearing the
killer is the mask the the director also tested the mask to see if it would work as a scary
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mask by just wearing it in his office and scaring one of his co-workers and then we
were like yeah it doesn't work okay which I think is very funny my favorite mask scene
is from there's a baby driver where they all get Mike Myers masks yes but he turns up with
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Mike like they go to Michael Myers as in yeah as in Halloween but he turns up with Mike
Myers as in Austin Powers that's so great that's so funny that's incredible yeah that's
so good do you want to get into some trivia yeah we've already kind of got into some trivia
we can continue with some trivia you want to talk about budget and box office then?
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I actually didn't even take them down but I can do that I can tell you because I thought
that before I fall wouldn't have any box office because that's what was Netflix production
did it get it oh you said it was released at Sundance so just get a theatrical release
I'm just so used to the post 2020 days where all the Netflix things don't get released
anywhere yeah I think I've already given you the trivia that I had about before I fall
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which was not very much and the for happy death day yeah I've kind of talked about some
of these already apparently the script was written I don't think this might have been
added to Netflix but it wasn't like Netflix produced I thought it was a Netflix produced
thing but it obviously wasn't I think you're just lying to her no I just I genuinely I
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saw it on Netflix originally and I thought it was a Netflix produced thing it feels like
kind of quality yeah it feels like a Netflix movie so the script was written I think maybe
the shitty romcom she's in the Netflix production that seems like it's called sped it up which
is a stupid name anyway the script for happy death day was apparently written ten years
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earlier allegedly in 2007 and it was supposed to be produced by Michael Bay and starring
Megan Fox that smells like all of that already yeah he is a creep she deserved better yeah
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she doesn't deserve better now but she did then yeah and the the university in happy
death day is called Bayfield University which I assume is a reference to Michael Bay yeah
I think I don't I feel like nothing against Megan Fox but I feel like it was well cast
in the version that we actually got yeah and I don't think there'll be enough explosions
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and for Michael Bay yeah and shitty it'll be annoying it was all just explosions every
time she gets stabbed she explodes oh I want to talk about one thing that I've completely
forgot about I keep thinking about it and holding the thought and then disappearing
the thought do you want to do that or do you want me to read the last bit of trivia last
bit of trivia okay so the last bit of trivia that I have here about happy death day is
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that the original ending had tree tree is the name of a character she hasn't mentioned
so far so coming to her injuries like really because it shows oh that's what you want to
talk about that's what I was going to get to yeah is that she is so every other death
loop every other move loop movie when you wake up your how you woke up that time this
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is the only loop movie I've ever seen other than the weird scenes in looper and the weird
thing in butterfly effect where she's sustaining injuries yeah each loop and she's like they're
healed I say that an air quote yeah so she wakes up healed but you realize after a certain
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amount of loops that she's weak or she realizes she's getting weaker yeah and then she passes
out and it gets scanned and it turns out she's got a whole lot of scar tissue yeah from
stabs and hitting the head and like yeah yeah which is horrifying yeah that's super fucked
yeah really cool though what an interesting aspect because she knows that there's only
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a certain amount she can do it she's not indestructible yeah anyway so the original ending had her
succumbing to her accumulated injuries after she kills lori her real killer and then it
says she's being treated for her injuries by her professor's wife and then yes the whole
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subplot is that she was sleeping with her professor who is a doctor at the hospital
and then the professor's wife murdered her again as revenge for sleeping with her husband
and started a new time loop and apparently test audiences were raging they were absolutely
fucking furious they got so angry about it they said they felt betrayed that the protagonist
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after going through all the all that she does and becoming a better person that she couldn't
break free and ended up in another loop and it was supposed to be you know to let the
viewer think oh my god this is never gonna end it's kind of like I'm gonna spoil another
movie here because I think we watched it together the final girls yes we did watch the spoiler
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for the final girls if you haven't seen that one which is I consider that a time loop as
well yeah it's time it's time loop it's more like time travel yeah but there is at least
a couple of things in the beginning yeah you know when they don't get on the on the in
the car and then the car comes back after the runtime of the film and spoiler so so
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the final girls is they're in they they they're in a cinema watching a cult classic slasher
film that one of their dead mothers was in and then the cinema goes on fire and they
go through the screen and they end up in the movie somehow yeah but the last action hero
style the spoiler is that at the end when they survive it they're in a hospital they
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wake up in a hospital and then it turns out it's the sequel to the movie and they're still
in the movie which is so good but that's obviously the same kind of thing they're going for here
that she's ending up you know she never actually gets to leave the loop she's still in another
loop but people really hated it so it got scrapped and they reshot the ending they did
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a new ending but then apparently the the sequel ignores the new ending it says but I don't
know what that means because I haven't watched the sequel yet so we'll have to watch the
sequel to find out I guess do we? I think it'll be fun I enjoyed happy death day I'd
be happy to watch the sequel okay yeah not for the podcast just for fun just for funsy
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yep did you say you had the budget in box office or do you want me to? yeah I do you
know which one made more because you mentioned it at the beginning well happy death day was
you know got sequels and was more like people know happy death day yeah I don't think many
people know about before I fall okay so I will give you which one do you think was more
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expensive I feel like happy death day was more expensive as well it wasn't no by two
hundred thousand dollars cheaper so happy death day was four point eight million cost
and before I fall was five million how many dollars do you think was between the two of
these movies as in profit at what from revenue from the movie as in like the box office or
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as in how much I just got box office I don't have like royalties and DVD sales yeah no
but I mean like box office or the difference between budget and box office the box office
what do you reckon the differences between the box office something fucking astronomic
I think so you're saying budget was four point eight million for happy death day correct
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I'm gonna say box office 32 million okay and for the other one five million budget seven
million box office you're off by about 90 million dollars 19 million how much did oh
my god so it made like a hundred and before I fall cost five million yeah and made eighteen
point nine million right actually successful yeah that's pretty decent I'm not gonna shit
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on that that's better than I thought happy death day cost four point eight million and
made a hundred and twenty five point five million dollars that's why I got sequels that's
incredible yeah I knew I well I knew it was way more successful I didn't go is that much
yeah that's crazy that's that's like a million dollar movie making like 60 million dollars
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that's really well at least I can't do maths it's too late at night yeah that's really
good that's great yeah I mean I think I think that's well deserved I think that I think
that that movie was made by people who loved the genre and really wanted to put something
into it I made it's a fun movie I mean I don't think it's well it is it's it's kind of horror
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comedy it's a dark comedy slasher thing yeah so it is to some extent horror comedy hell
is this tape oh it's scones okay but it's um it's very fun I really I actually genuinely
enjoyed it the only time I got angry at it was when I thought they were making the serial
killer the the killer and that it was like they just introduced they're just like three
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quarters of the way into this movie whatever like oh by the way my mom was killed by a
serial killer and this is him and he's in the hospital he was the killer all along do
you know who I thought was the killer her dad oh the doctor no the guy who she the guy
that she slept with in the beginning of the movie that's what I thought but who was the
killer that was like the twist yeah no I think I think they did it perfectly I think the
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roommate who made her a cupcake because there's hints there's hints that she's an absolute
dick to her roommate yeah and then it's like why is her roommate making her a cupcake anyway
yeah and she didn't make her a cake yeah just she didn't make her something to share she
made her something just for her yeah yeah it's great there's hints to it though in the
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movie okay I don't know did you catch those no it was the first time I was watching it
it was the first time I was watching it but I caught one of them and I was like wait I
was like that's weird but I didn't really think much more of it which was that when
you know the time she gets arrested by the cops yeah and then the killer like sets fire
(49:36):
to the oil spill and explodes her yeah she uses the birthday candle from the cupcake
all right and I was like that's so weird and I was like is it just because the killer knows
her and knows it's her birthday like is that it like why are they using a birthday candle
I can't remember what the other was there was another hint that was her and I remember
(49:57):
like oh when I looked it up I can look it up again real quick but I remember just being
like oh they did do some fucking foreshadowing but but I did like I remember noticing the
the candle because I was like that's a weird way to light yeah I just thought it was a
weird detail I thought it was a very weird specific detail oh the other one was a bit
(50:23):
more subtle I feel like in in the on the in the first day before the loop happens yeah
she goes to see the professor and who she's cheating on which she's having the affair
with in the hospital and her roommate knows about the affair because she says to her that
(50:45):
she I think she tells her she should end it but then she says it's bound to have some
pretty serious consequences and obviously the serious consequence was I'm going to kill
you for doing this yeah but yeah I did think like when when the killer used a birthday
(51:05):
candle to light that I thought it was an odd choice and then with the reveal at the end
it makes so much more sense that she would have had that on her you know and the irony
of using your own birthday candle to blow you up yeah thank you for joining us if you
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(52:11):
joining I thought you just forgot my name no I remember your name you just like my lovely
co-host and then just like stared at me blankly it's carved into my chest we're on the way
where I can read in the mirror okay I mean don't do that um our next episode Islam Islam
Islam I don't know what we're saying Islam I don't know what Lisa would be backwards
(52:35):
I don't know it's like my name is Malcy Malcy hi everyone I'm Malcy and I'm gonna begin
why don't I make just a breaking neck noise I'm losing it I'm gonna get out of this room
(52:57):
it's too warm our next episode is a Halloween episode it's a Halloween episode but it's
also episode 85 so it's a fun episode so it's gonna be a weird one I think I don't even
know what it is um spoilers Nick has kept in the dark it is I mean you should know it
is a movie that you love and a movie that neither of us have ever seen before so many
(53:22):
movies yeah exactly it's a surprise for everyone it's like um it's one point yeah I I think
it's gonna be a really strange one but we'll we'll see how it goes okay but I look forward
to that everyone because that's we're gonna have a weird Halloween episode I won't see
you there but you will hear me yeah you'll hear both of us goodbye
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