December 2, 2024 • 51 mins
We're back with our Hallmark Christmas episodes - this week we are comparing A Royal Winter (2017) and A Princess for Christmas (2011), two films about American women travelling to continental Europe and meeting handsome princes.
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The Movies:
Directed by Ernie Barbarash
Written by Ernie Barbarash & Mark Amato
iMDb Rating: 6.4
A Princess for Christmas (2011)
Directed by Michael Damian
Written by Janeen Damian & Michael Damian
iMDB Rating: 6.3
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Content Warning:
Mentions of death, poverty, orphaned children, incest
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nik. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast
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where two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss
them. Fair enough. It's Christmas! It's Christmas! Oh God, it's Christmas! It's Christmas! You
know what that means. Our annual Nick Ranting About Homework movies episode. In this episode,
2011's A Princess for Christmas and 2017's A Royal Winter. Yeah, A Royal Winter. I was gonna say
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Royal Princess. That one's actually set in January, so I don't know if we can even call it a Christmas movie. Yeah, so these are both... Terrible movies. These are both Hallmark movies about a woman from New York who takes a trip to a micro state near the Alps in Europe and meets and falls in love with a prince while she's there. And also in both cases, I think one is
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supposed to be Lictor's Giant and the other one's a made-up country where both are filmed in Romania.
Okay, where to start? The only major difference between these two movies... Is the dad's history?
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Is the fact that one of them, they're semi-related, which is super weird. So in A Princess for Christmas, she is the auntie to two orphaned children. Her sister married into a wealthy family and the family disowned the son because she didn't have a title because she was a commoner.
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And then they died. Was that explained how they died? No. I'm gonna go with Peter Parker's backstory in A Plane Crash. I assumed Car Crash, but it's because if they're both dead, it's not like it's an illness or something. You know what I mean?
And the royal family just abandons the orphans to the sister who's... What the... She's a salesperson in a tea shop. No, no, no. She's a salesperson in a tea shop. Yes, that's what the explanation is. But it's clearly the first time you see her in doing her job, and I say that with air quotes, she is fixing some antecedents.
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So she's doing an antique clock thing, and the guy who's the boss could have been replaced by a cardboard cutout because his fucking acting is so wooden. It's because he's played by the director, not an actor.
And he's just like, you're my best salesperson. But unfortunately... Hi, Johnny, you're my favorite customer. Unfortunately, sales are down. So I don't actually do any work, but I'm gonna have to let you go. What? Like, I'll take this one and jumps up to serve a customer, sells something, and he's like, no, I'm gonna let you go. I can't keep the business open. That's because you're not working, mate. That's because as the owner or operator of this antiques and stuff...
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Yeah, I forgot that it was called antiques and stuff. It's called Buffalo. Because it's set in Buffalo, New York, and the shop is literally Buffalo Antiques and Stuff. And she is clearly fixing an antique clock. Nah, you're my best sales girl. Sorry, because I don't do any work and my business is shit. I have to let you go. Like what? Literally, you let her go and you'll close next week, mate, because you don't friggin do anything. He's just sitting at a desk facing...
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He answered the phone at one point, didn't he? Because he was like antiques and stuff. And I thought it was ridiculous. And then it cut to the front door and it's literally called antiques and stuff.
So yeah, she's unemployed. And gets like the... What's that movie with the guy in it? Oh my God, my brain. I feel like it's King George, but that's not the correct term. Is it John Cleese? It's not John Cleese. It's the British guy.
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Who are you talking about? Who was in Red State? Who was in Red State? Who's the FBI agent? That's the movie that you like. I don't remember who that is. He's a comedian. Was he on Roseanne? John Goodman. I was going to say John Goodman. Was he in Red State? Yeah, he plays the FBI agent in Red State.
I don't remember that. Why would that be your go-to for John Goodman? He's into so many things. You've given him like schooling from Monsters Inc. Because the only other thing I could think of was... Big Lebowski. Meet the Flintstones.
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Oh yeah. If you said who plays Red Flintstone, I would have known the answer.
Red State. Yeah. And basically gets a knock at the door of being like, oh by the way, your like the maternal grandfather of your dead sister's husband wants you to fly... No, his father, not grandfather.
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This is the kid's grandfather. Yeah, but you said of your dead sister's husband. Oh right. Okay. Yeah, the father of your dead sister's husband... The father of the kids that you were a guardian to. Yeah, wants to fly you to Europe because he's sick and wants to meet the children before he passes away.
Yeah, and that would turn out to be a lie. Yeah. And it's all like, oh, here's $12,000. I like how you've gone off on like a whole tangent here because you were initially saying here's the difference between the two movies and then you've just started fully explaining the plot.
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I'm getting there. And they go to Europe, right? That's the whole, that's the whole how to get you to Europe thing. Yeah. On the other hand, you get a fresh grad law student who's passed the bar and is trying to get a job in a law firm and is talking herself out of basically working 200 hours a week and sleeping in the office and being like, I want this job because daddy said I should.
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And then is like, we should go to, I'm unemployed and waiting on a job interview. Let's go to Europe. Yeah, her parents seem to be quite wealthy. Yeah. So she can afford it because they're paying for all her shit in America. Yeah.
And seems to be the explanation for what I can, what I gathered. And her friend is going on a trip to this place and she was supposed to go with another friend who backed out. So the tickets are already bought. Yeah. So then she's like, why don't you come instead? Take your mind off it. It's a two week trip and they're not going to get back to you for two weeks about this job interview for.
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I thought you were going to say the difference was, well you did, you started to say it because you were saying that she's related to the guy. The difference is that in one, it's all about like her family. You know, she's there because of family and it's her brother. Her brother in law's brother is the prince.
And he says at one point I inherited the prince, I'm a prince on my mother's side or something, which is a weird concept, especially since the mother apparently is dead. I mean, I assume is dead because she's never mentioned except for him saying that he's a prince on his mother's side.
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Whereas in the other one, it's just like a guy that she meets out and about and doesn't realize he's a prince till later. Yeah, after he runs over her really cool handmade hat.
Yeah, though I will say, actually, I feel like the lady in A Royal Winter has a better grasp on what it means that he's a prince because like in A Princess for Christmas, like they keep referring to him as a prince and he says he's a prince on his mother's side and all this stuff.
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And that is literally not until the end when they get together that she's like, what do you mean? You're going to be yourself.
She's like, we're not heirs to a throne or anything. And he's like, yes, I am. Like, what do you think prince meant? What does she think a prince was?
The question here, here's the confusing part. The dad and grandfather, same person, is played by Roger Moore. Yes. Okay.
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What is his title?
Is he a duke? He's a duke of Castleberry something. Hang on. Yeah, Castleberry Hall. Right. Okay.
He's a duke and he was married to a princess.
Who's the reigning monarch?
I guess his parent-in-law.
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So his wife is clearly dead.
Unless they're divorced and his wife is a queen somewhere and they're divorced and he's a duke, which is a whole other situation.
None of which is explained within the plot of the movie.
It's never explained. So either we have two options. Either his mother or father-in-law is king or queen of whatever country.
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That's not the country that he's in. It's not Liechtenstein because that's why the prince has been off somewhere else where he's prince of, I presume.
He's a prince and a aboutie.
He's just prince of somewhere. So either it's either the prince's grandparents are a king and queen or the mother and father are divorced and she's off being a queen somewhere without him.
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Here's the part that took me out of the movie the most.
Everybody has an English accent.
Yeah, in both movies. In both movies. In Central Europe and the monarchy are entirely English.
Except for actually in A Princess for Christmas, there's other noble people who are just French.
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There's just French noble people who show up. But the people from Liechtenstein are all British, which is very strange.
Also, several people in that movie are not from where they're from. None of the Americans are American.
The main lady is Irish. The teenager is Canadian and the other girl is English, I think. The little girl.
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Oh yeah, Travis Turner. That was the weirdest part of that whole thing.
He seemed... Now here's the thing. So she's got a niece and nephew, right?
And the niece is like a little girl played by a little girl. She's a little girl.
The nephew feels like they just found a short man and put him in the role.
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It's like if you cast Peter Dinklage as a 10 year old and we're like, that's the height 10 year olds are and therefore this is a 10 year old.
You know what year he was born?
He was a teenager. He was legitimately a teenager when they made this.
What? No, he was born in 1987.
What?
He was born in 1987.
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Hang on, what I like about this is he was born in the 90s.
No, Travis Turner, 1987. He was a year younger than me.
1993 is what it says on his wiki page. Oh no, years active. I misread that.
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Yeah.
So I was like, wow, he really looks like a weird little man when he was only 18. But no, you're right. He was in the acting business for 18 years.
Yeah.
Okay. I feel less bad about it then because he does look like they just cast...
The full grown man who's short.
Yeah, they just cast the full grown man who's short. It's like that episode of Recess where there's the guy, the exchange student or whatever, but he's like an FBI agent.
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He's just a short guy that they put in the school because they thought he could pass for a 10 year old.
A little fellow in children.
Yeah. Yeah, it's that kind of thing. Okay, cool. I did think he legitimately just looked like he was a fully grown man who just was small.
So it is very much like if they put Peter Dinklage as a 10 year old and they were like, this is the height 10 year olds are.
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And you'd be looking at him going, that's a man in his like 50s, 40s or 50s.
Clearly not a 10 year old. They'd be like, have you seen 10 year olds? They're this height and therefore it's a 10 year old.
Okay. So he is just a weird little man.
That's a bit ruthless.
No, I mean in terms of like he's not a teenager and he's just a shorter guy who's a fully grown man that they cast as a teenager.
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You know, what's up fellow kids?
Yeah.
That's what the, have you ever seen Hannah Montana?
No.
Because that's what her brother was like. He was just like, he was like in his 30s, but he was short.
And therefore they were like, this is a teenager. And it's like you look at him and you're like, that's a man. That's an adult man.
That you put a bowl cut on and pretended that he was a teenager or whatever.
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That's awful. That's serial killer vibes. It's like you go to his house and there's just dull heads hung up by string.
I don't think it was quite that bad, but it just literally was like, what are you doing? That's just like a guy.
Here we go. There's a picture of him for you.
What?
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That's Hannah Montana's teenage brother.
No, that's not. That's a geriatric individual.
There they are together, clearly close in age.
No, he's got wrinkle lines.
Yeah, it's just, there's some weird trend of like casting.
Well, I mean, I guess it has worked in the past, like Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future passed as a teenager, but that was because he had a baby face.
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Also low definition.
It's not just because he was short. True. Low definition.
When you're in four plus K.
There's no way those homework movies are in 4K.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're like 720p.
240p.
Yeah. I tell you what was 240p. Oh my God.
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What?
So in a royal wedding.
A royal winter.
Oh God. In a royal winter, folks. Folks, sit down for this one. If you're standing up, sit down.
They use B-roll and I don't even think they use CGI.
Oh, the castle?
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It wasn't even just the castle.
I think they just like took a picture of a castle somewhere and they just like green screened it into the background of this village. The village is real.
The village is real.
Yeah.
The castle is humongous. Doesn't make any sense from a like prospective point of view.
There was a point in time where they were just like, I think it was the end of the movie where they look up at a bit.
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It was like going to that weird ball that he organizes in five days.
No, the weird ball in five days is in the other movie.
Oh God.
I think it's when she's going to dinner to meet his mother.
Yeah, she's going to dinner and they like do this weird like forced perspective like camera zoom upwards to show how big the building is.
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And it looked like the same floor just like photoshopped on top of each other.
Yeah, it's a weird. I don't understand what they were doing.
It was like a plate. It wasn't like there was no text. It was all texture and no frame.
We know that they like the cut corners with hallmarks.
I mean, it's like the, you know, when we talked about last year, Chris is in Notting Hill where it was all filmed in Dublin.
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None of it is filmed in Notting Hill.
Yeah.
It's like where is the cheapest place we can film?
They were filming in Romania, right?
Yeah, they filmed in Romania.
Then why didn't they go to like, I'm assuming these castles in Romania.
Probably.
Why don't they just film outside of those?
I don't know.
And they get filming permission to go to some like.
Maybe they just got like permission to use a picture of it instead.
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Yeah, they literally used a picture of it.
I'm pretty sure that's what they've done. That's what it looked like to me.
It was awful.
The village is a real Romanian village, but that castle I don't think is in it.
Just proportionately, it didn't make any sense.
The windows were like how close, how like it's supposed to be like on this hill, like over the top of the village, right?
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Which first off from a defensive point of view, kind of makes sense, except you'd want a smaller like the one we went to when we were in Ireland together.
Which one?
The one that was like a tour.
The one that was like enclosed in the wall and the tour gate went through the wall and we walked around the perimeter and had a look at the actual castle.
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We had to pay money to go into the actual castle by the way.
There was like a bridge.
We'd crossed a bridge multiple times and it was like one way.
This makes no sense to anybody who's listening to what I'm doing.
Are you talking about Tintern Abbey?
Was it Tintern Abbey?
Because that's an abbey, it's not a castle.
But it had a wall around the outside of it, right?
That's the one near, that's the one in Waxford.
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No, this was on our like heading west trip.
Okay, so whereabouts?
I don't remember. It was a giant blur. It was a giant blur of terrifying back streets.
You're talking about bungee castles.
Oh wait, is it the one that we paid into and went through all the rooms and sort of like hexagonal?
No.
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No.
What one is it? We went to so many castles.
I don't remember. We went to so many castles.
Okay, describe it more for me. I'm sure everyone is living this.
It was walled in.
What do you mean walled in?
Like it had a perimeter wall.
Okay.
So it wasn't like a tower house.
Right, so it wasn't a...
And it wasn't a church. It was an actual castley castle.
Okay.
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And we parked up somewhere in a random car park and then walked like two blocks down the street.
This is sounding like the one where we went in and there was all the rooms and it was hexagonal and there was like the different soldier uniforms and stuff.
No, no, no. That was the fort on the bridge and it was raining that day and it kept getting blown up.
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Well, it was raining that day.
That place kept blowing up and they kept rebuilding it.
Yeah, they kept blowing it up. I think it was... was that Athlone Castle?
Anyway, my point being...
From a tactical point of view, putting a castle on the hill makes sense, but like the castle was like way bigger than the village and it's like it's supposed to look like it's far away,
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but it doesn't because like the hill was like clearly behind a house and they were just like, oh fuck it, put it like right there.
It was just like blooming.
There was like some sort of beast or Dracula living there and then just like looming over the village of all the like poor people and there's like one dude who's going to organize a Beauty and the Beast moment where he like gets everybody together with pitchforks and torches to...
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It's a weird... the people in that village have a weird relationship with the Royals.
Which movie?
What are you talking about? A Royal Winter?
A Royal Winter. He's like in the public eye, he's like a playboy.
Yeah, but it's... it makes... listen, it makes no sense. Okay, it makes no sense because here's the thing. He has his own foundation where he...
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No one knows about it.
How does no one know about it? If he's got his own foundation in his name that he personally...
He functions orphan children who signed an NDA.
He personally trains these orphan children at volleyball. He's there coaching them.
I don't think he's gotten much involvement with the choir, but there is also a choir in the volleyball court on a stage with like theatre and a library.
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There's a library and a volleyball court.
He's got a foundation where he gives his money to do this stuff and he personally coaches these kids and then he's like, no one knows about this. My mother doesn't know this exists.
No one has ever come here before. No one knows this exists. It's like, what about all these children?
The children are orphans.
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So? That doesn't mean they can't tell anyone.
They've got no parents to tell. No one would believe them. No one would believe the dead orphans.
They're just gaslighting a bunch of orphans?
Yes. One of them tries to get kicked out of the hotel because she's selling knickknacks that she's handmade.
She doesn't have a home. They're orphans.
Also...
And she's also the best singer in the choir.
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It requires whatever her face's name is, jewels to come along and tell her that the only way to not be afraid of being on stage is to picture everybody in a clown nose.
And then she's the best singer in the choir.
And then...oh yeah, what else?
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People seem to really respect him around town, but then also he apparently has this playboy reputation and also apparently people want to date him because he has a playboy reputation.
And then also the concierge is willing to keep it a secret that he's a prince and is quite happy to go along with this.
And random cafe guy.
Yeah, people just accept that he doesn't want her to know that he's a prince and they're real chill about it.
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And then they just treat him like a regular person.
But then also the second that he kisses her, suddenly there's a million paparazzi everywhere all the time.
You're in this tiny village of ten houses. Where did all these paparazzi come from?
I made a mistake earlier, folks. I'd like to apologize publicly. It's Maggie is the character.
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I got them confused because they are literally copy and paste blank slate characters designed in a way to put yourself in their position.
So Jules is the one in the other one?
Jules is the clumsy...oh my god.
The children are friggin menaces, right? They have an entire...like...
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They arrive at the castle, whatever the hell it is.
A palace, I think.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's all CGI.
And they get their own butler slash housemaid...handmaiden? Whatever the hell they're called. Housemaid. I'm not rich, folks.
I used to have to climb a hill to the water tower to send a text message.
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It's a true fact.
You had a phone to send text messages though.
Yeah, it's because I bought my own phone because I collected 2600 mil Coca-Cola wrappers and sent $20 in the mail to get an Elcatel One Touch Easy.
Text messages were like 20 cents back then and you could only send 140 characters. Where was that going?
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She is...she looks like...they both look like discount versions of actual famous actors.
Right.
I cannot remember which one's which.
I think we said that Jules in Apprentice for Christmas looked like a knock-off version of Keira Knightley.
That's right.
Who did you think the other one looked like?
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I don't remember. These photos on IMDB are quite glamorous looking. It's not really...oh, who was the girl that was in House?
Olivia Wilde.
Olivia Wilde. She looks like discount Olivia Wilde.
Yeah, I can see it.
If you showed me that picture and said that was Olivia Wilde, I'd believe it 100%.
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Yeah, I can see it. I wouldn't have thought it offhand but I can see it now that you've said it.
Yeah. So they're basically like...I'm not saying that they're unattractive women. I'm just saying they are like place yourself in this position kind of BS.
Yeah, it's like Twilight. The whole point of Twilight is that Bella is literally like anyone can picture themselves as they're reading it.
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Both the princes are generic white guy with brown hair. Not overly handsome but also not unattractive.
At least one of them had a personality though. I felt like...
Adrian?
Yeah.
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The other one seems very like I'm super awkward and you're my dead sister's brother-in-law. Is that right?
He's her dead sister's brother-in-law. Yeah.
We should bang and adopt your niece and nephew.
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Okay. He was weird because he just kind of hung around and he had a girlfriend that he didn't seem to have any interest in.
And then he was like, I'm gonna stop your angsty teenager from being an angsty teenager by letting him shoot arrows.
And I think that scene is so weird because the kid just comes out and shoots at the ground once and is like, whatever. And it's like, okay, cool.
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Alright, 30 year old man.
But yeah, he just kind of feels very wooden.
Z.
Whereas at least, and also they don't really have much interaction.
They are there talking to each other but there's no content to it.
Whereas when you get the other two, Maggie and Adrian, I'm slowly remembering the names of these characters.
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They actually bond over shared experiences and stuff. And they talk about their dreams and their goals and the fact that they're both in positions where there's a family business.
He doesn't specify what his is. But they have a family business that they have felt pressure to follow in their parents' footsteps and their parents have their life planned out for them.
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But it's not what they want to do. And they both are only children and they feel this connection.
So there is like, between those two, you can see an actual bond forming.
And also he seems to actually just generally have a personality.
Whereas I don't think we even get to see a lot of the other guy. It's Sam Hewans' character.
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I will tell you what his name is. It's generic. It's Ashton.
Ashton?
Prince of, doesn't matter.
Castlebrite Hall.
It doesn't matter. You can't be Prince of the House.
Is his name Ashton? Did they ever call him that?
I don't know.
Anyway.
The only moment, I will correct you, the only moment of nephew uncle interaction that happens is there's one locked house, like one locked room in the castle.
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Oh yeah, there's that.
And then the 30 year old man pretending to be a child breaks into it because apparently he's got like his class is rogue and he's got natural ability to get a plus four on unlocking.
Breaks in there and is like, oh, this is my dad's office. I don't understand why royalty need offices.
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And it's like no one's been in here in years since he died.
And the window is open and there is snow on his desk. And I'm like, everything in this room would be rotten to shit.
How like do they, how old, like when did they die? Like how long?
We don't know. We've never, it's never said.
So plausibly it could have been years.
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Multiple seasons with a window to this room has been left open to the point where there's snow on the desk and they've literally like, oh, it's been locked the entire, like what? Just what?
Just like little things like that.
And just like this whole pointed thing. And it's like, oh, this would have been fine if he'd gone in there and been like, oh my God, it's stuffy and open the window.
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Like, oh, you know, it's so stale in here. Yes. No one's been in here.
And he knows literally like it was already open when they were in there.
I don't see how that's contradicting what I said at all.
No, I'm just saying it's the only only moment in the entire movie that I can recall.
Does they had any interaction?
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That's not him and her though. She's not involved in that scene at all.
No, the uncle and nephew.
I care about the uncle and nephew. We're talking about the love interests.
Oh, that's just chewed in incest to keep on the royal family pure blooded.
There's nothing between them.
I'd like the most the most interaction they have is where like he asked he says to his girlfriend like, oh, there's a problem.
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Or someone comes up to him and his girlfriend is like, oh, we need to choose between these two things.
And and he's like, oh, I don't know.
And then she's like, that one is my favorite.
And he's like, oh, I don't know about that. And then he goes to Maggie's or Jules's door and is like, there's a problem in the kitchen and they need to decide between this and this.
And she's like, which one do you like?
He's like, oh, this one. She's like, that's it.
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That's the one for you.
And that's their that's like, I guess that's the romance.
That's not very romantic, but I guess I think he's just like blown away by the fact that she's so common, but can name antiques.
Yeah, everyone seems to be really blown away by the fact that she knows antiques.
Yeah. And she fixes a clock at one point.
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They're like, that clock hasn't worked in years.
It's like, did you ever you rich?
You're like ridiculously wealthy.
Why have you not just get someone to fix the clock?
I tell you out of like Roger Moore steals every scene he's in, but he plays.
It's hard. He feels like he's playing Bruce Wayne from Batman Beyond.
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Oh, I can see that.
He's like old man Bruce Wayne rather than like I'm playing old man James Bond.
Dresses like a Dracula.
He hates everything except when someone explains it to him sweetly.
Why is there a Christmas tree in a house?
Merry Christmas, Grandad.
Oh, I'm okay with this now.
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I was like, I think I should tell a quote from you, but that was literally it.
It was why is he dressed like a Dracula?
Yeah.
I just thought it was very funny.
He was dressed like Dracula.
Yeah.
He was dressed like Christopher Lee's Dracula to the neck medallion and everything.
I will say like he doesn't take the role as seriously as Michael Caine in Muppet Christmas Carol.
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You know what I mean?
No one knows what you mean.
No, but like Muppet Christmas Carol objectively like a silly concept, but Michael Caine plays it like it's Shakespeare.
That's not what Roger Moore is doing here.
Yes, he steals scenes, but he's definitely playing into the exaggeratedness of it.
He'll be like the joy.
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He tries to play like angry old man and then joyful old man.
He's like, I get a pig shank.
So he's not phoning it in, but he's also not taking it very seriously.
That would be my gut on that.
Do you think one of these movies is better than the other?
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Oh, that's a good question.
No.
You think they're equally bad?
I think they're just equally low effort.
Every positive that I could say about either of the movies is just overshadowed by all the negativity that comes along with it.
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I think IMDB agrees with you because do you want to guess what they're rated on IMDB?
5.4
6.3 and 6.4.
So there's only point one of a difference between the two of them.
People do agree that they're about the same level.
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I did think A Royal Winter was a better movie, but that doesn't mean it's a good movie.
Okay.
Here's my biggest gripe.
My biggest gripe with A Princess for Christmas.
A Prince for Christmas.
Princess for Christmas is it feels very incestuous.
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It's very shoehorned as well.
Yeah, it's like let's write the story and then try and make the dialogue fit.
Yeah, it's very cookie cutter.
Like she's put like the situation is all set up for her.
It's very much like my partner volunteers at an animal shelter and I breed salamanders.
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My budget for a house is one point five million dollars.
But it's like she loses her job and then conveniently.
Her sister and brother-in-law die and she's made guardian of these kids.
Then she loses her job and conveniently the butler shows up with tickets to whatever Liechtenstein.
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And then she goes there and conveniently there's a guy there for her who's living in the house and is her brother-in-law's brother.
And she's like cool let's get married and I'll be a princess.
Can I point out something that I completely forgot about?
The nanny.
Oh yeah, she has a housekeeper.
She's paying for it on her...
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Oh yeah, the nanny.
She's paying for it on her antique salesperson.
She literally explains her when she quits because one child fills up...
One kid's shoplifting.
Yeah, like a ninja video game.
Ninja zombie video game.
Yeah, and the other girl spills jam all over herself and instead of being like a help is like alcohol or part pour.
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The entire contents of a bottle of Tide into the washing machine for my one shirt and floods the entire basement with like knee-deep foam.
Yeah.
And then...
Saddle kids.
Yeah.
And then says that her last two checks bounced anyway so she's quitting.
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And then the butler shows up even though he was watching her through the window and is just like here's money, come to Europe.
No, my biggest gripe...
That was my biggest gripe, it was just that whole weird incestuous thing.
Yeah.
My biggest gripe for a royal winter is he makes this big song and dance about his...
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He's going to be coronated king.
That's why he can't be seen with like he's taking over his mother and his mother's very much like no you have to do this, we're very British in southern France.
He makes this big song and dance about how they need to change everything because they're irrelevant to the modern era which is true, there were monarchy were irrelevant and that's why we had World War One.
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Which she says directly to them you're obsolete and then they're all don't like her.
Yeah.
That's funny.
She says fine I agree we'll change my speech a little bit even though it was a copy and paste of my dad's one.
I request that we let the common people in because I am their king and I am nothing without them.
And then the actual coronation ceremony happens.
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Yeah, it's like 10 people.
It's like the same amount of people you get in a standard white people wedding with all the royals on one side and a bunch of like random other people.
You get way less people than you get at most weddings.
Yeah.
With a bunch of generic people on the other side who we've seen throughout the movie but none of the common people are there.
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It doesn't make any sense that they're not like just like out in the public.
Yeah.
If that's what they're doing.
It's really weird because it's I mean.
I don't know. And then I went on a giant tirade about in person to you while watching the movie about Napoleon.
Oh yeah that's true.
Napoleon put on his own friend because God didn't give it to him or whatever.
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Yeah.
I do think that a royal winter is a better movie.
I think that there is I think that the characters make more sense.
They're more fleshed out.
Like they actually have personalities they actually have interest they actually interact in a way that you know feels close to realistic.
There's not one point point one point between these two movies.
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What do you mean.
The difference in their rating is point one percent.
Yeah yeah yeah.
On IMDB.
Yeah.
I would rate the other one lower I think than it is on IMDB.
Both of them lower.
I think because there's like in terms of a relationship their relationship is healthier as well.
I mean they've just met each other and in in a princess for Christmas they just tiptoe around each other and then at the end they're like I know we're together.
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Whereas in a royal winter like they meet and then they go for a coffee date and you know feel things out and then they decide to do a second date and you know and then she gets mad at them when she finds out.
Not from him that he's a prince that he didn't tell her and then he's able to explain to her why but also is like apologetic about it and you know and they have like an argument that feels like a real argument.
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But like also there's things like you know when she gets the job he's like you know that's the dream job or that's really good for your career so you should take it and you know he's saying even though that means we have to be apart you should do that and then she's saying you know you know she told me.
You know she talks to his mother even though he says like my mom doesn't know about this foundation or what I do here and I don't want to tell her and she's like okay I'm going to go I did it did and we made sure behind his back and did this but she talks to her and gets her to go see it and see things from his perspective and why he wants to come and people to come to the carnation and etc.
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And they both like do something to better each other which is not anything that happens in the other one. You know it feels more like a developing relationship and they both also feel like better people and like the writing like the Queen buying or like you know getting business in the United States.
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Formulating a contract on the guides of the only reason that law firm will get it if they hire this girl.
Yeah so she's got three lucrative lawsuits or whatever that she hires them for and says.
Who's she selling like.
I don't know.
Property rights.
Yeah it's all real estate.
Yeah yeah yeah.
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Which is super dodgy.
Oh yeah absolutely.
But yes she like you know so there's a there's a kind of a you know an element to it there of her not are her trying to get rid of Maggie and you know and then coming around and saying to her actually it was me that did that.
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What.
We just uncovered it.
What.
That's super dodgy.
What was it real estate stuff.
Was she was it actually real estate.
I don't know.
I don't know if I took any specific notes about what her business was.
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I'm going to look this up because that that could be.
Insane of true.
Insane if true.
Because that means they're embezzling.
She just said she hired she hired the firm for three lucrative jobs but that's all she said.
Why does a she said she said she does a lot of business in the United States.
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That was the thing that she said we do a lot of business in the United States.
Her son said she primarily into real estate and politics.
I don't know.
Do you not understand.
It's not real.
I know it's not real.
It's not real.
But this is a movie we're watching.
Remember the last the first year we did the contract and everyone should have been disbarred and had the legal license to practice as they got her drunk.
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I made her sign and the other guy just passed out while trying to read a fucking contract.
No no no no.
Here's the problem.
If they're doing real estate deals in the States.
Yeah.
Using what money.
Where does the monarchy's wealth wealth wealth wealth come from.
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You say taxes.
So they're embezzling tax.
Is this tax money go to the monarchy.
So the only one I know about is the English monarchy and the Windsor family.
So what they did is they the royal family was going broke and they leased the government like 250 million dollars worth of land.
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And in response the government give them 60 million dollars a year.
OK.
But that's like a very specific case.
Yes.
But I'm saying that like so they're wealthy because of how if they are the king of them that means they take a tithe right.
They make they get taxes.
If she has this what was it the secretary of interior or secretary of something fears some dude.
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What is he.
He plays a character.
They all play characters Nick.
You're insane.
Wickford.
I don't know what you're talking about.
The guy that's always loitering around the one that does like a background check on her.
Oh OK.
He's like the secretary he's like some government official who's like the private plaything to the Queen.
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Not plaything but like as in puppet to the Queen because she's like I'll do a background check.
How do you do a background check.
Advisor or whatever.
Yeah.
But he's like a government official.
He mentions it in the movie that he like actually works for the government.
So he's a not elected.
So there is a government there.
There is a government.
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Because he's not like she's not doing any like matters of state in the movie at all.
OK.
So so because it's a fictional country we can't just look it up and be like do they have a prime minister.
It's like this is so like we've dug a rabbit hole now.
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I'm sorry.
I'm trying to find out where monarchy in Europe get their money.
And I found like the Netherlands the monarchy received 44 million euro in funding for 2020.
But like where did that come from.
It didn't tell me where it came from.
It just tell me the amount.
And I think Liechtenstein is on here.
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Liechtenstein is the only the principality of Liechtenstein is the only monarchy in Europe that does not receive any public money from the taxpayer.
OK.
So if it's not the wealthiest in Europe.
So therefore if it's not Liechtenstein then for it gets public money.
Do you think that's why they set the other one in Liechtenstein.
Which other one.
The other one.
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Yes.
The other one.
Yeah.
Princess for Christmas is set in Liechtenstein.
They're both filmed in Romania but that was set in Liechtenstein.
Whereas this one's set in like a fake place.
Because I don't think if you were a Duke that means you're like cousins to the royal family.
Right.
You've just got a title.
Like you're in the umbrella but you're not like at the top of the pyramid.
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You could also be married to a prince or princess.
Because that's like Kate Middleton is a princess.
Yeah but the reason they disowned the family and abandoned the orphans is because the mother didn't have a title.
A title yeah.
So they were like fuck them orphans.
Yeah.
We'll send them to America apparently.
I thought they were already in America.
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They.
Interesting.
What do you mean the kids are clearly raised American.
Yes.
And the mother was American.
Yes.
And they were disowned when they got married.
Correct.
Before there was kids.
So presumably the prince or yeah I guess he was also a prince was living in unless he was.
Unless there's two different mothers but then that would be scandalous.
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Was living in New York in Buffalo with the sisters.
Probably not living with both of them but still.
Is that where the source comes from.
Where the what.
The source.
What source.
Buffalo.
Yeah I think so.
Okay.
You've been there or haven't.
I haven't been to Buffalo.
You've been other places other than LAX.
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True.
You wouldn't be.
Probably the closest I've been to Buffalo is actually tomorrow.
Fair enough.
It's upstate right.
Yeah.
There's a border.
It's on the border of Canada.
There's a border crossing in Buffalo.
It's one of the toughest ones I think.
Bizarre.
Mm hmm.
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Anyway.
Do you want to get into some trivia?
I guess so before I start trying to dig a rabbit hole forever like a fox.
I'll do a Royal Winter first so they didn't have a lot before it.
One was that it's filmed in Romania and the other one is that the lady who plays Maggie
her name is Territory Patterson.
Is that her name?
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Hang on.
I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to look it down.
Weird or is her name Territory?
Merit Patterson.
I was like that's an autocorrect problem.
I was like there's no way her name is Territory.
Merit Patterson who plays Maggie is Canadian so she's also not American and she's in a
lot of Hallmark movies or in a lot of like these kind of Christmas movies so she might
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pop up again for us.
The other one also filmed in Romania as I said and to go with similar trivia the actress
playing Jules is Irish, the actress playing Maddie is English and the actor playing Milo
is Canadian.
They're all playing Americans but throughout the movie we do hear their accents slip.
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I did notice an Irish accent popping up there a few times.
The lead actress her name is Katie McGrath.
She's from Wicklow and she went to Trinity College.
There you go.
What else have we got?
Oh yeah so she's actually only four years older than the actor playing Milo despite
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playing his aunt.
I already told you that the antique store owner at the beginning is the director of
the movie.
Hi Johnny.
You're my favourite character.
Katie Christina who is a person that Duke Edward greets when he enters the ballroom
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is Roger Moore's real life wife and then Sam Hewan who plays Prince Ashton actually has
royal lineage which he's confirmed in interviews so he actually is related to the royals.
There's a back view.
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That's interesting.
You don't sound interested.
I'm trying to figure out this rabbit hole.
Was that all of the trivia?
Yep it's all the trivia.
Why are you trying to find out about embezzling taxes to get real estate?
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It's just headcanon now that she's taking the Queen is currently more ensnared.
The reason she doesn't appear to her son and only gives a shit about what the tabloids
wrote and that's how he can get away with taking public money to make a foundation for
orphans that she doesn't notice is because she's too busy embezzling the taxes to buy
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real estate in the United States.
Yeah sounds about right.
Using dodgy law firms that just accept answers from obscure royalty.
It's supposed to be a really well-esteemed law firm right?
That was why she was going for it?
Yeah but you've seen Jurassic Park.
The only person on my side is a blood sucking lawyer.
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You've seen Jurassic Park.
Yep.
Ooh ah and then raaaar.
That's the movie.
Yeah pretty much.
They do travel in herds.
I was going to say they do come in herds.
I don't think that's the phrase.
They do come in herds.
A six pack.
Six pack of dinosaurs.
Six pack of dinosaurs.
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That's a herd.
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nik. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast
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where two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss
them. Fair enough. It's Christmas! It's Christmas! Oh God, it's Christmas! It's Christmas! You
know what that means. Our annual Nick Ranting About Homework movies episode. In this episode,
2011's A Princess for Christmas and 2017's A Royal Winter. Yeah, A Royal Winter. I was gonna say
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Royal Princess. That one's actually set in January, so I don't know if we can even call it a Christmas movie. Yeah, so these are both... Terrible movies. These are both Hallmark movies about a woman from New York who takes a trip to a micro state near the Alps in Europe and meets and falls in love with a prince while she's there. And also in both cases, I think one is
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supposed to be Lictor's Giant and the other one's a made-up country where both are filmed in Romania.
Okay, where to start? The only major difference between these two movies... Is the dad's history?
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Is the fact that one of them, they're semi-related, which is super weird. So in A Princess for Christmas, she is the auntie to two orphaned children. Her sister married into a wealthy family and the family disowned the son because she didn't have a title because she was a commoner.
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And then they died. Was that explained how they died? No. I'm gonna go with Peter Parker's backstory in A Plane Crash. I assumed Car Crash, but it's because if they're both dead, it's not like it's an illness or something. You know what I mean?
And the royal family just abandons the orphans to the sister who's... What the... She's a salesperson in a tea shop. No, no, no. She's a salesperson in a tea shop. Yes, that's what the explanation is. But it's clearly the first time you see her in doing her job, and I say that with air quotes, she is fixing some antecedents.
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So she's doing an antique clock thing, and the guy who's the boss could have been replaced by a cardboard cutout because his fucking acting is so wooden. It's because he's played by the director, not an actor.
And he's just like, you're my best salesperson. But unfortunately... Hi, Johnny, you're my favorite customer. Unfortunately, sales are down. So I don't actually do any work, but I'm gonna have to let you go. What? Like, I'll take this one and jumps up to serve a customer, sells something, and he's like, no, I'm gonna let you go. I can't keep the business open. That's because you're not working, mate. That's because as the owner or operator of this antiques and stuff...
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Yeah, I forgot that it was called antiques and stuff. It's called Buffalo. Because it's set in Buffalo, New York, and the shop is literally Buffalo Antiques and Stuff. And she is clearly fixing an antique clock. Nah, you're my best sales girl. Sorry, because I don't do any work and my business is shit. I have to let you go. Like what? Literally, you let her go and you'll close next week, mate, because you don't friggin do anything. He's just sitting at a desk facing...
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He answered the phone at one point, didn't he? Because he was like antiques and stuff. And I thought it was ridiculous. And then it cut to the front door and it's literally called antiques and stuff.
So yeah, she's unemployed. And gets like the... What's that movie with the guy in it? Oh my God, my brain. I feel like it's King George, but that's not the correct term. Is it John Cleese? It's not John Cleese. It's the British guy.
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Who are you talking about? Who was in Red State? Who was in Red State? Who's the FBI agent? That's the movie that you like. I don't remember who that is. He's a comedian. Was he on Roseanne? John Goodman. I was going to say John Goodman. Was he in Red State? Yeah, he plays the FBI agent in Red State.
I don't remember that. Why would that be your go-to for John Goodman? He's into so many things. You've given him like schooling from Monsters Inc. Because the only other thing I could think of was... Big Lebowski. Meet the Flintstones.
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Oh yeah. If you said who plays Red Flintstone, I would have known the answer.
Red State. Yeah. And basically gets a knock at the door of being like, oh by the way, your like the maternal grandfather of your dead sister's husband wants you to fly... No, his father, not grandfather.
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This is the kid's grandfather. Yeah, but you said of your dead sister's husband. Oh right. Okay. Yeah, the father of your dead sister's husband... The father of the kids that you were a guardian to. Yeah, wants to fly you to Europe because he's sick and wants to meet the children before he passes away.
Yeah, and that would turn out to be a lie. Yeah. And it's all like, oh, here's $12,000. I like how you've gone off on like a whole tangent here because you were initially saying here's the difference between the two movies and then you've just started fully explaining the plot.
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I'm getting there. And they go to Europe, right? That's the whole, that's the whole how to get you to Europe thing. Yeah. On the other hand, you get a fresh grad law student who's passed the bar and is trying to get a job in a law firm and is talking herself out of basically working 200 hours a week and sleeping in the office and being like, I want this job because daddy said I should.
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And then is like, we should go to, I'm unemployed and waiting on a job interview. Let's go to Europe. Yeah, her parents seem to be quite wealthy. Yeah. So she can afford it because they're paying for all her shit in America. Yeah.
And seems to be the explanation for what I can, what I gathered. And her friend is going on a trip to this place and she was supposed to go with another friend who backed out. So the tickets are already bought. Yeah. So then she's like, why don't you come instead? Take your mind off it. It's a two week trip and they're not going to get back to you for two weeks about this job interview for.
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I thought you were going to say the difference was, well you did, you started to say it because you were saying that she's related to the guy. The difference is that in one, it's all about like her family. You know, she's there because of family and it's her brother. Her brother in law's brother is the prince.
And he says at one point I inherited the prince, I'm a prince on my mother's side or something, which is a weird concept, especially since the mother apparently is dead. I mean, I assume is dead because she's never mentioned except for him saying that he's a prince on his mother's side.
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Whereas in the other one, it's just like a guy that she meets out and about and doesn't realize he's a prince till later. Yeah, after he runs over her really cool handmade hat.
Yeah, though I will say, actually, I feel like the lady in A Royal Winter has a better grasp on what it means that he's a prince because like in A Princess for Christmas, like they keep referring to him as a prince and he says he's a prince on his mother's side and all this stuff.
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And that is literally not until the end when they get together that she's like, what do you mean? You're going to be yourself.
She's like, we're not heirs to a throne or anything. And he's like, yes, I am. Like, what do you think prince meant? What does she think a prince was?
The question here, here's the confusing part. The dad and grandfather, same person, is played by Roger Moore. Yes. Okay.
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What is his title?
Is he a duke? He's a duke of Castleberry something. Hang on. Yeah, Castleberry Hall. Right. Okay.
He's a duke and he was married to a princess.
Who's the reigning monarch?
I guess his parent-in-law.
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So his wife is clearly dead.
Unless they're divorced and his wife is a queen somewhere and they're divorced and he's a duke, which is a whole other situation.
None of which is explained within the plot of the movie.
It's never explained. So either we have two options. Either his mother or father-in-law is king or queen of whatever country.
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That's not the country that he's in. It's not Liechtenstein because that's why the prince has been off somewhere else where he's prince of, I presume.
He's a prince and a aboutie.
He's just prince of somewhere. So either it's either the prince's grandparents are a king and queen or the mother and father are divorced and she's off being a queen somewhere without him.
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Here's the part that took me out of the movie the most.
Everybody has an English accent.
Yeah, in both movies. In both movies. In Central Europe and the monarchy are entirely English.
Except for actually in A Princess for Christmas, there's other noble people who are just French.
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There's just French noble people who show up. But the people from Liechtenstein are all British, which is very strange.
Also, several people in that movie are not from where they're from. None of the Americans are American.
The main lady is Irish. The teenager is Canadian and the other girl is English, I think. The little girl.
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Oh yeah, Travis Turner. That was the weirdest part of that whole thing.
He seemed... Now here's the thing. So she's got a niece and nephew, right?
And the niece is like a little girl played by a little girl. She's a little girl.
The nephew feels like they just found a short man and put him in the role.
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It's like if you cast Peter Dinklage as a 10 year old and we're like, that's the height 10 year olds are and therefore this is a 10 year old.
You know what year he was born?
He was a teenager. He was legitimately a teenager when they made this.
What? No, he was born in 1987.
What?
He was born in 1987.
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Hang on, what I like about this is he was born in the 90s.
No, Travis Turner, 1987. He was a year younger than me.
1993 is what it says on his wiki page. Oh no, years active. I misread that.
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Yeah.
So I was like, wow, he really looks like a weird little man when he was only 18. But no, you're right. He was in the acting business for 18 years.
Yeah.
Okay. I feel less bad about it then because he does look like they just cast...
The full grown man who's short.
Yeah, they just cast the full grown man who's short. It's like that episode of Recess where there's the guy, the exchange student or whatever, but he's like an FBI agent.
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He's just a short guy that they put in the school because they thought he could pass for a 10 year old.
A little fellow in children.
Yeah. Yeah, it's that kind of thing. Okay, cool. I did think he legitimately just looked like he was a fully grown man who just was small.
So it is very much like if they put Peter Dinklage as a 10 year old and they were like, this is the height 10 year olds are.
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And you'd be looking at him going, that's a man in his like 50s, 40s or 50s.
Clearly not a 10 year old. They'd be like, have you seen 10 year olds? They're this height and therefore it's a 10 year old.
Okay. So he is just a weird little man.
That's a bit ruthless.
No, I mean in terms of like he's not a teenager and he's just a shorter guy who's a fully grown man that they cast as a teenager.
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You know, what's up fellow kids?
Yeah.
That's what the, have you ever seen Hannah Montana?
No.
Because that's what her brother was like. He was just like, he was like in his 30s, but he was short.
And therefore they were like, this is a teenager. And it's like you look at him and you're like, that's a man. That's an adult man.
That you put a bowl cut on and pretended that he was a teenager or whatever.
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That's awful. That's serial killer vibes. It's like you go to his house and there's just dull heads hung up by string.
I don't think it was quite that bad, but it just literally was like, what are you doing? That's just like a guy.
Here we go. There's a picture of him for you.
What?
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That's Hannah Montana's teenage brother.
No, that's not. That's a geriatric individual.
There they are together, clearly close in age.
No, he's got wrinkle lines.
Yeah, it's just, there's some weird trend of like casting.
Well, I mean, I guess it has worked in the past, like Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future passed as a teenager, but that was because he had a baby face.
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Also low definition.
It's not just because he was short. True. Low definition.
When you're in four plus K.
There's no way those homework movies are in 4K.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're like 720p.
240p.
Yeah. I tell you what was 240p. Oh my God.
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What?
So in a royal wedding.
A royal winter.
Oh God. In a royal winter, folks. Folks, sit down for this one. If you're standing up, sit down.
They use B-roll and I don't even think they use CGI.
Oh, the castle?
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It wasn't even just the castle.
I think they just like took a picture of a castle somewhere and they just like green screened it into the background of this village. The village is real.
The village is real.
Yeah.
The castle is humongous. Doesn't make any sense from a like prospective point of view.
There was a point in time where they were just like, I think it was the end of the movie where they look up at a bit.
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It was like going to that weird ball that he organizes in five days.
No, the weird ball in five days is in the other movie.
Oh God.
I think it's when she's going to dinner to meet his mother.
Yeah, she's going to dinner and they like do this weird like forced perspective like camera zoom upwards to show how big the building is.
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And it looked like the same floor just like photoshopped on top of each other.
Yeah, it's a weird. I don't understand what they were doing.
It was like a plate. It wasn't like there was no text. It was all texture and no frame.
We know that they like the cut corners with hallmarks.
I mean, it's like the, you know, when we talked about last year, Chris is in Notting Hill where it was all filmed in Dublin.
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None of it is filmed in Notting Hill.
Yeah.
It's like where is the cheapest place we can film?
They were filming in Romania, right?
Yeah, they filmed in Romania.
Then why didn't they go to like, I'm assuming these castles in Romania.
Probably.
Why don't they just film outside of those?
I don't know.
And they get filming permission to go to some like.
Maybe they just got like permission to use a picture of it instead.
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Yeah, they literally used a picture of it.
I'm pretty sure that's what they've done. That's what it looked like to me.
It was awful.
The village is a real Romanian village, but that castle I don't think is in it.
Just proportionately, it didn't make any sense.
The windows were like how close, how like it's supposed to be like on this hill, like over the top of the village, right?
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Which first off from a defensive point of view, kind of makes sense, except you'd want a smaller like the one we went to when we were in Ireland together.
Which one?
The one that was like a tour.
The one that was like enclosed in the wall and the tour gate went through the wall and we walked around the perimeter and had a look at the actual castle.
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We had to pay money to go into the actual castle by the way.
There was like a bridge.
We'd crossed a bridge multiple times and it was like one way.
This makes no sense to anybody who's listening to what I'm doing.
Are you talking about Tintern Abbey?
Was it Tintern Abbey?
Because that's an abbey, it's not a castle.
But it had a wall around the outside of it, right?
That's the one near, that's the one in Waxford.
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No, this was on our like heading west trip.
Okay, so whereabouts?
I don't remember. It was a giant blur. It was a giant blur of terrifying back streets.
You're talking about bungee castles.
Oh wait, is it the one that we paid into and went through all the rooms and sort of like hexagonal?
No.
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No.
What one is it? We went to so many castles.
I don't remember. We went to so many castles.
Okay, describe it more for me. I'm sure everyone is living this.
It was walled in.
What do you mean walled in?
Like it had a perimeter wall.
Okay.
So it wasn't like a tower house.
Right, so it wasn't a...
And it wasn't a church. It was an actual castley castle.
Okay.
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And we parked up somewhere in a random car park and then walked like two blocks down the street.
This is sounding like the one where we went in and there was all the rooms and it was hexagonal and there was like the different soldier uniforms and stuff.
No, no, no. That was the fort on the bridge and it was raining that day and it kept getting blown up.
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Well, it was raining that day.
That place kept blowing up and they kept rebuilding it.
Yeah, they kept blowing it up. I think it was... was that Athlone Castle?
Anyway, my point being...
From a tactical point of view, putting a castle on the hill makes sense, but like the castle was like way bigger than the village and it's like it's supposed to look like it's far away,
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but it doesn't because like the hill was like clearly behind a house and they were just like, oh fuck it, put it like right there.
It was just like blooming.
There was like some sort of beast or Dracula living there and then just like looming over the village of all the like poor people and there's like one dude who's going to organize a Beauty and the Beast moment where he like gets everybody together with pitchforks and torches to...
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It's a weird... the people in that village have a weird relationship with the Royals.
Which movie?
What are you talking about? A Royal Winter?
A Royal Winter. He's like in the public eye, he's like a playboy.
Yeah, but it's... it makes... listen, it makes no sense. Okay, it makes no sense because here's the thing. He has his own foundation where he...
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No one knows about it.
How does no one know about it? If he's got his own foundation in his name that he personally...
He functions orphan children who signed an NDA.
He personally trains these orphan children at volleyball. He's there coaching them.
I don't think he's gotten much involvement with the choir, but there is also a choir in the volleyball court on a stage with like theatre and a library.
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There's a library and a volleyball court.
He's got a foundation where he gives his money to do this stuff and he personally coaches these kids and then he's like, no one knows about this. My mother doesn't know this exists.
No one has ever come here before. No one knows this exists. It's like, what about all these children?
The children are orphans.
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So? That doesn't mean they can't tell anyone.
They've got no parents to tell. No one would believe them. No one would believe the dead orphans.
They're just gaslighting a bunch of orphans?
Yes. One of them tries to get kicked out of the hotel because she's selling knickknacks that she's handmade.
She doesn't have a home. They're orphans.
Also...
And she's also the best singer in the choir.
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It requires whatever her face's name is, jewels to come along and tell her that the only way to not be afraid of being on stage is to picture everybody in a clown nose.
And then she's the best singer in the choir.
And then...oh yeah, what else?
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People seem to really respect him around town, but then also he apparently has this playboy reputation and also apparently people want to date him because he has a playboy reputation.
And then also the concierge is willing to keep it a secret that he's a prince and is quite happy to go along with this.
And random cafe guy.
Yeah, people just accept that he doesn't want her to know that he's a prince and they're real chill about it.
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And then they just treat him like a regular person.
But then also the second that he kisses her, suddenly there's a million paparazzi everywhere all the time.
You're in this tiny village of ten houses. Where did all these paparazzi come from?
I made a mistake earlier, folks. I'd like to apologize publicly. It's Maggie is the character.
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I got them confused because they are literally copy and paste blank slate characters designed in a way to put yourself in their position.
So Jules is the one in the other one?
Jules is the clumsy...oh my god.
The children are friggin menaces, right? They have an entire...like...
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They arrive at the castle, whatever the hell it is.
A palace, I think.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's all CGI.
And they get their own butler slash housemaid...handmaiden? Whatever the hell they're called. Housemaid. I'm not rich, folks.
I used to have to climb a hill to the water tower to send a text message.
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It's a true fact.
You had a phone to send text messages though.
Yeah, it's because I bought my own phone because I collected 2600 mil Coca-Cola wrappers and sent $20 in the mail to get an Elcatel One Touch Easy.
Text messages were like 20 cents back then and you could only send 140 characters. Where was that going?
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She is...she looks like...they both look like discount versions of actual famous actors.
Right.
I cannot remember which one's which.
I think we said that Jules in Apprentice for Christmas looked like a knock-off version of Keira Knightley.
That's right.
Who did you think the other one looked like?
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I don't remember. These photos on IMDB are quite glamorous looking. It's not really...oh, who was the girl that was in House?
Olivia Wilde.
Olivia Wilde. She looks like discount Olivia Wilde.
Yeah, I can see it.
If you showed me that picture and said that was Olivia Wilde, I'd believe it 100%.
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Yeah, I can see it. I wouldn't have thought it offhand but I can see it now that you've said it.
Yeah. So they're basically like...I'm not saying that they're unattractive women. I'm just saying they are like place yourself in this position kind of BS.
Yeah, it's like Twilight. The whole point of Twilight is that Bella is literally like anyone can picture themselves as they're reading it.
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Both the princes are generic white guy with brown hair. Not overly handsome but also not unattractive.
At least one of them had a personality though. I felt like...
Adrian?
Yeah.
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The other one seems very like I'm super awkward and you're my dead sister's brother-in-law. Is that right?
He's her dead sister's brother-in-law. Yeah.
We should bang and adopt your niece and nephew.
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Okay. He was weird because he just kind of hung around and he had a girlfriend that he didn't seem to have any interest in.
And then he was like, I'm gonna stop your angsty teenager from being an angsty teenager by letting him shoot arrows.
And I think that scene is so weird because the kid just comes out and shoots at the ground once and is like, whatever. And it's like, okay, cool.
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Alright, 30 year old man.
But yeah, he just kind of feels very wooden.
Z.
Whereas at least, and also they don't really have much interaction.
They are there talking to each other but there's no content to it.
Whereas when you get the other two, Maggie and Adrian, I'm slowly remembering the names of these characters.
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They actually bond over shared experiences and stuff. And they talk about their dreams and their goals and the fact that they're both in positions where there's a family business.
He doesn't specify what his is. But they have a family business that they have felt pressure to follow in their parents' footsteps and their parents have their life planned out for them.
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But it's not what they want to do. And they both are only children and they feel this connection.
So there is like, between those two, you can see an actual bond forming.
And also he seems to actually just generally have a personality.
Whereas I don't think we even get to see a lot of the other guy. It's Sam Hewans' character.
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I will tell you what his name is. It's generic. It's Ashton.
Ashton?
Prince of, doesn't matter.
Castlebrite Hall.
It doesn't matter. You can't be Prince of the House.
Is his name Ashton? Did they ever call him that?
I don't know.
Anyway.
The only moment, I will correct you, the only moment of nephew uncle interaction that happens is there's one locked house, like one locked room in the castle.
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Oh yeah, there's that.
And then the 30 year old man pretending to be a child breaks into it because apparently he's got like his class is rogue and he's got natural ability to get a plus four on unlocking.
Breaks in there and is like, oh, this is my dad's office. I don't understand why royalty need offices.
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And it's like no one's been in here in years since he died.
And the window is open and there is snow on his desk. And I'm like, everything in this room would be rotten to shit.
How like do they, how old, like when did they die? Like how long?
We don't know. We've never, it's never said.
So plausibly it could have been years.
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Multiple seasons with a window to this room has been left open to the point where there's snow on the desk and they've literally like, oh, it's been locked the entire, like what? Just what?
Just like little things like that.
And just like this whole pointed thing. And it's like, oh, this would have been fine if he'd gone in there and been like, oh my God, it's stuffy and open the window.
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Like, oh, you know, it's so stale in here. Yes. No one's been in here.
And he knows literally like it was already open when they were in there.
I don't see how that's contradicting what I said at all.
No, I'm just saying it's the only only moment in the entire movie that I can recall.
Does they had any interaction?
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That's not him and her though. She's not involved in that scene at all.
No, the uncle and nephew.
I care about the uncle and nephew. We're talking about the love interests.
Oh, that's just chewed in incest to keep on the royal family pure blooded.
There's nothing between them.
I'd like the most the most interaction they have is where like he asked he says to his girlfriend like, oh, there's a problem.
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Or someone comes up to him and his girlfriend is like, oh, we need to choose between these two things.
And and he's like, oh, I don't know.
And then she's like, that one is my favorite.
And he's like, oh, I don't know about that. And then he goes to Maggie's or Jules's door and is like, there's a problem in the kitchen and they need to decide between this and this.
And she's like, which one do you like?
He's like, oh, this one. She's like, that's it.
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That's the one for you.
And that's their that's like, I guess that's the romance.
That's not very romantic, but I guess I think he's just like blown away by the fact that she's so common, but can name antiques.
Yeah, everyone seems to be really blown away by the fact that she knows antiques.
Yeah. And she fixes a clock at one point.
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They're like, that clock hasn't worked in years.
It's like, did you ever you rich?
You're like ridiculously wealthy.
Why have you not just get someone to fix the clock?
I tell you out of like Roger Moore steals every scene he's in, but he plays.
It's hard. He feels like he's playing Bruce Wayne from Batman Beyond.
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Oh, I can see that.
He's like old man Bruce Wayne rather than like I'm playing old man James Bond.
Dresses like a Dracula.
He hates everything except when someone explains it to him sweetly.
Why is there a Christmas tree in a house?
Merry Christmas, Grandad.
Oh, I'm okay with this now.
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I was like, I think I should tell a quote from you, but that was literally it.
It was why is he dressed like a Dracula?
Yeah.
I just thought it was very funny.
He was dressed like Dracula.
Yeah.
He was dressed like Christopher Lee's Dracula to the neck medallion and everything.
I will say like he doesn't take the role as seriously as Michael Caine in Muppet Christmas Carol.
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You know what I mean?
No one knows what you mean.
No, but like Muppet Christmas Carol objectively like a silly concept, but Michael Caine plays it like it's Shakespeare.
That's not what Roger Moore is doing here.
Yes, he steals scenes, but he's definitely playing into the exaggeratedness of it.
He'll be like the joy.
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He tries to play like angry old man and then joyful old man.
He's like, I get a pig shank.
So he's not phoning it in, but he's also not taking it very seriously.
That would be my gut on that.
Do you think one of these movies is better than the other?
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Oh, that's a good question.
No.
You think they're equally bad?
I think they're just equally low effort.
Every positive that I could say about either of the movies is just overshadowed by all the negativity that comes along with it.
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I think IMDB agrees with you because do you want to guess what they're rated on IMDB?
5.4
6.3 and 6.4.
So there's only point one of a difference between the two of them.
People do agree that they're about the same level.
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I did think A Royal Winter was a better movie, but that doesn't mean it's a good movie.
Okay.
Here's my biggest gripe.
My biggest gripe with A Princess for Christmas.
A Prince for Christmas.
Princess for Christmas is it feels very incestuous.
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It's very shoehorned as well.
Yeah, it's like let's write the story and then try and make the dialogue fit.
Yeah, it's very cookie cutter.
Like she's put like the situation is all set up for her.
It's very much like my partner volunteers at an animal shelter and I breed salamanders.
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My budget for a house is one point five million dollars.
But it's like she loses her job and then conveniently.
Her sister and brother-in-law die and she's made guardian of these kids.
Then she loses her job and conveniently the butler shows up with tickets to whatever Liechtenstein.
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And then she goes there and conveniently there's a guy there for her who's living in the house and is her brother-in-law's brother.
And she's like cool let's get married and I'll be a princess.
Can I point out something that I completely forgot about?
The nanny.
Oh yeah, she has a housekeeper.
She's paying for it on her...
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Oh yeah, the nanny.
She's paying for it on her antique salesperson.
She literally explains her when she quits because one child fills up...
One kid's shoplifting.
Yeah, like a ninja video game.
Ninja zombie video game.
Yeah, and the other girl spills jam all over herself and instead of being like a help is like alcohol or part pour.
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The entire contents of a bottle of Tide into the washing machine for my one shirt and floods the entire basement with like knee-deep foam.
Yeah.
And then...
Saddle kids.
Yeah.
And then says that her last two checks bounced anyway so she's quitting.
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And then the butler shows up even though he was watching her through the window and is just like here's money, come to Europe.
No, my biggest gripe...
That was my biggest gripe, it was just that whole weird incestuous thing.
Yeah.
My biggest gripe for a royal winter is he makes this big song and dance about his...
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He's going to be coronated king.
That's why he can't be seen with like he's taking over his mother and his mother's very much like no you have to do this, we're very British in southern France.
He makes this big song and dance about how they need to change everything because they're irrelevant to the modern era which is true, there were monarchy were irrelevant and that's why we had World War One.
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Which she says directly to them you're obsolete and then they're all don't like her.
Yeah.
That's funny.
She says fine I agree we'll change my speech a little bit even though it was a copy and paste of my dad's one.
I request that we let the common people in because I am their king and I am nothing without them.
And then the actual coronation ceremony happens.
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Yeah, it's like 10 people.
It's like the same amount of people you get in a standard white people wedding with all the royals on one side and a bunch of like random other people.
You get way less people than you get at most weddings.
Yeah.
With a bunch of generic people on the other side who we've seen throughout the movie but none of the common people are there.
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It doesn't make any sense that they're not like just like out in the public.
Yeah.
If that's what they're doing.
It's really weird because it's I mean.
I don't know. And then I went on a giant tirade about in person to you while watching the movie about Napoleon.
Oh yeah that's true.
Napoleon put on his own friend because God didn't give it to him or whatever.
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Yeah.
I do think that a royal winter is a better movie.
I think that there is I think that the characters make more sense.
They're more fleshed out.
Like they actually have personalities they actually have interest they actually interact in a way that you know feels close to realistic.
There's not one point point one point between these two movies.
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What do you mean.
The difference in their rating is point one percent.
Yeah yeah yeah.
On IMDB.
Yeah.
I would rate the other one lower I think than it is on IMDB.
Both of them lower.
I think because there's like in terms of a relationship their relationship is healthier as well.
I mean they've just met each other and in in a princess for Christmas they just tiptoe around each other and then at the end they're like I know we're together.
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Whereas in a royal winter like they meet and then they go for a coffee date and you know feel things out and then they decide to do a second date and you know and then she gets mad at them when she finds out.
Not from him that he's a prince that he didn't tell her and then he's able to explain to her why but also is like apologetic about it and you know and they have like an argument that feels like a real argument.
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But like also there's things like you know when she gets the job he's like you know that's the dream job or that's really good for your career so you should take it and you know he's saying even though that means we have to be apart you should do that and then she's saying you know you know she told me.
You know she talks to his mother even though he says like my mom doesn't know about this foundation or what I do here and I don't want to tell her and she's like okay I'm going to go I did it did and we made sure behind his back and did this but she talks to her and gets her to go see it and see things from his perspective and why he wants to come and people to come to the carnation and etc.
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And they both like do something to better each other which is not anything that happens in the other one. You know it feels more like a developing relationship and they both also feel like better people and like the writing like the Queen buying or like you know getting business in the United States.
(39:36):
Formulating a contract on the guides of the only reason that law firm will get it if they hire this girl.
Yeah so she's got three lucrative lawsuits or whatever that she hires them for and says.
Who's she selling like.
I don't know.
Property rights.
Yeah it's all real estate.
Yeah yeah yeah.
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Which is super dodgy.
Oh yeah absolutely.
But yes she like you know so there's a there's a kind of a you know an element to it there of her not are her trying to get rid of Maggie and you know and then coming around and saying to her actually it was me that did that.
(40:18):
What.
We just uncovered it.
What.
That's super dodgy.
What was it real estate stuff.
Was she was it actually real estate.
I don't know.
I don't know if I took any specific notes about what her business was.
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I'm going to look this up because that that could be.
Insane of true.
Insane if true.
Because that means they're embezzling.
She just said she hired she hired the firm for three lucrative jobs but that's all she said.
Why does a she said she said she does a lot of business in the United States.
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That was the thing that she said we do a lot of business in the United States.
Her son said she primarily into real estate and politics.
I don't know.
Do you not understand.
It's not real.
I know it's not real.
It's not real.
But this is a movie we're watching.
Remember the last the first year we did the contract and everyone should have been disbarred and had the legal license to practice as they got her drunk.
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I made her sign and the other guy just passed out while trying to read a fucking contract.
No no no no.
Here's the problem.
If they're doing real estate deals in the States.
Yeah.
Using what money.
Where does the monarchy's wealth wealth wealth wealth come from.
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You say taxes.
So they're embezzling tax.
Is this tax money go to the monarchy.
So the only one I know about is the English monarchy and the Windsor family.
So what they did is they the royal family was going broke and they leased the government like 250 million dollars worth of land.
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And in response the government give them 60 million dollars a year.
OK.
But that's like a very specific case.
Yes.
But I'm saying that like so they're wealthy because of how if they are the king of them that means they take a tithe right.
They make they get taxes.
If she has this what was it the secretary of interior or secretary of something fears some dude.
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What is he.
He plays a character.
They all play characters Nick.
You're insane.
Wickford.
I don't know what you're talking about.
The guy that's always loitering around the one that does like a background check on her.
Oh OK.
He's like the secretary he's like some government official who's like the private plaything to the Queen.
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Not plaything but like as in puppet to the Queen because she's like I'll do a background check.
How do you do a background check.
Advisor or whatever.
Yeah.
But he's like a government official.
He mentions it in the movie that he like actually works for the government.
So he's a not elected.
So there is a government there.
There is a government.
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Because he's not like she's not doing any like matters of state in the movie at all.
OK.
So so because it's a fictional country we can't just look it up and be like do they have a prime minister.
It's like this is so like we've dug a rabbit hole now.
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I'm sorry.
I'm trying to find out where monarchy in Europe get their money.
And I found like the Netherlands the monarchy received 44 million euro in funding for 2020.
But like where did that come from.
It didn't tell me where it came from.
It just tell me the amount.
And I think Liechtenstein is on here.
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Liechtenstein is the only the principality of Liechtenstein is the only monarchy in Europe that does not receive any public money from the taxpayer.
OK.
So if it's not the wealthiest in Europe.
So therefore if it's not Liechtenstein then for it gets public money.
Do you think that's why they set the other one in Liechtenstein.
Which other one.
The other one.
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Yes.
The other one.
Yeah.
Princess for Christmas is set in Liechtenstein.
They're both filmed in Romania but that was set in Liechtenstein.
Whereas this one's set in like a fake place.
Because I don't think if you were a Duke that means you're like cousins to the royal family.
Right.
You've just got a title.
Like you're in the umbrella but you're not like at the top of the pyramid.
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You could also be married to a prince or princess.
Because that's like Kate Middleton is a princess.
Yeah but the reason they disowned the family and abandoned the orphans is because the mother didn't have a title.
A title yeah.
So they were like fuck them orphans.
Yeah.
We'll send them to America apparently.
I thought they were already in America.
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They.
Interesting.
What do you mean the kids are clearly raised American.
Yes.
And the mother was American.
Yes.
And they were disowned when they got married.
Correct.
Before there was kids.
So presumably the prince or yeah I guess he was also a prince was living in unless he was.
Unless there's two different mothers but then that would be scandalous.
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Was living in New York in Buffalo with the sisters.
Probably not living with both of them but still.
Is that where the source comes from.
Where the what.
The source.
What source.
Buffalo.
Yeah I think so.
Okay.
You've been there or haven't.
I haven't been to Buffalo.
You've been other places other than LAX.
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True.
You wouldn't be.
Probably the closest I've been to Buffalo is actually tomorrow.
Fair enough.
It's upstate right.
Yeah.
There's a border.
It's on the border of Canada.
There's a border crossing in Buffalo.
It's one of the toughest ones I think.
Bizarre.
Mm hmm.
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Anyway.
Do you want to get into some trivia?
I guess so before I start trying to dig a rabbit hole forever like a fox.
I'll do a Royal Winter first so they didn't have a lot before it.
One was that it's filmed in Romania and the other one is that the lady who plays Maggie
her name is Territory Patterson.
Is that her name?
(46:40):
Hang on.
I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to look it down.
Weird or is her name Territory?
Merit Patterson.
I was like that's an autocorrect problem.
I was like there's no way her name is Territory.
Merit Patterson who plays Maggie is Canadian so she's also not American and she's in a
lot of Hallmark movies or in a lot of like these kind of Christmas movies so she might
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pop up again for us.
The other one also filmed in Romania as I said and to go with similar trivia the actress
playing Jules is Irish, the actress playing Maddie is English and the actor playing Milo
is Canadian.
They're all playing Americans but throughout the movie we do hear their accents slip.
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I did notice an Irish accent popping up there a few times.
The lead actress her name is Katie McGrath.
She's from Wicklow and she went to Trinity College.
There you go.
What else have we got?
Oh yeah so she's actually only four years older than the actor playing Milo despite
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playing his aunt.
I already told you that the antique store owner at the beginning is the director of
the movie.
Hi Johnny.
You're my favourite character.
Katie Christina who is a person that Duke Edward greets when he enters the ballroom
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is Roger Moore's real life wife and then Sam Hewan who plays Prince Ashton actually has
royal lineage which he's confirmed in interviews so he actually is related to the royals.
There's a back view.
(48:27):
That's interesting.
You don't sound interested.
I'm trying to figure out this rabbit hole.
Was that all of the trivia?
Yep it's all the trivia.
Why are you trying to find out about embezzling taxes to get real estate?
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It's just headcanon now that she's taking the Queen is currently more ensnared.
The reason she doesn't appear to her son and only gives a shit about what the tabloids
wrote and that's how he can get away with taking public money to make a foundation for
orphans that she doesn't notice is because she's too busy embezzling the taxes to buy
(49:14):
real estate in the United States.
Yeah sounds about right.
Using dodgy law firms that just accept answers from obscure royalty.
It's supposed to be a really well-esteemed law firm right?
That was why she was going for it?
Yeah but you've seen Jurassic Park.
The only person on my side is a blood sucking lawyer.
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You've seen Jurassic Park.
Yep.
Ooh ah and then raaaar.
That's the movie.
Yeah pretty much.
They do travel in herds.
I was going to say they do come in herds.
I don't think that's the phrase.
They do come in herds.
A six pack.
Six pack of dinosaurs.
Six pack of dinosaurs.
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That's a herd.
If you have some comments or criticism you can join us on our Discord.
You'll be able to find the link below and you can come and talk to us there because
that's where we pay attention to.
If you want to see where you can find the rest of our episodes you can go to our website
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or join our mailing list.
We have one of those as well.
It takes two dot co dot nz.
Thank you for joining us for our first of three Christmas episodes.
Yes we do have three Christmas episodes here because we've got three episodes in December
so look forward to that.
So while you're relaxing with your family you can imagine us watching these movies.
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The next one's going to be interesting.
I don't like that idea.
Also we're on Blue Sky now so if you're on Blue Sky you can find us at it takes two dot
blue sky dot social.
I've never used it.
I just suggest things.
Just search for us on Blue Sky.
Thank you for joining us.
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Catch you next time.
Goodbye.
Happy holidays.
I'll see you later.
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