Episode 92: Remakes Vol. XI - Carrie

In this Remakes episode, we compare Carrie (1976) and Carrie (2013) - two films about an abused teenager with supernatural powers.

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The Movies:

Carrie (1976)

Directed by Brian De Palma

Written by Lawrence D. Cohen

Based on the novel by Stephen King

iMDb Rating: 7.4

Carrie (2013)

Directed by Kimberly Peirce

Written by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa

Based on the screenplay by Lawrence D. Cohen and novel by Stephen King

iMDB Rating: 5.8

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Content Warning:

Mentions of death, violence, self harm, physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, child abuse, trauma, murder, suicide

Episode Transcript

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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nick.
And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast where two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them.
And this episode, it's another Remakes episode folks.
1976's Carrie and 2013's Carrie.
And before anyone gets on our back and says these are two adaptations of the same source material, not a remake,

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take a look at what 1976's Carrie changed from the book and see that those exact same changes were made in the 2013 one.
It is a remake, not by any fault of the director, who apparently both wanted to make a truer adaptation to the novel and shot a truer adaptation of the novel.

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And then the production company were like, cut out all these bits and reshoot these scenes to make them more like the 1976 movie.
So it's a remake.
It's everything the original. I don't even know if it's the original. I was just trying to look that up.
Everything 1976 does is so much more subtle and it is less reliant on CGI and spoon feeding the audience.

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In comparison to 2013 one, I feel like the 2013 one, a lot of the stuff isn't earned.
Like they're both very short. Yeah, they're not.
We watched them both in a row and we were done in like two and a half hours.
No, three hours. I think the remake had better acting than I expected.

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I feel like a lot of remakes are just like jarring.
Yeah, just like a shitty, you know, low effort thing.
Whereas I feel like the actors were actually invested in it, which made it a better movie.
And yes, the 1976 one is the original. It's the first movie to have been adapted from any of Stephen King's works.

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It was his first novel and his first piece of work that was picked up by any theatre company.
Do you know, for the audience, I'm pretty sure Lisa knows about my love hate relationship with Stephen King.
Yeah, this isn't the first Stephen King thing we've done on the podcast.
So people who listen to our Blackbone episode probably also have heard.

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It's he doesn't know how to end things. He makes really amazing universes.
He makes really amazing, unique ideas.
The endings of all the books that I've read of Stephen King all end in a very disappointing way.
I think the biggest criticism would be the Dark Tower series.

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Spoilers for the Dark Tower series. Stephen King is in it.
And it's like save the cheerleader, save the world.
You have to save like the characters have to save Stephen King or their universe is destroyed.
Because he had stopped writing it.
And it was like, you know, I know for a fact, because of the amount of stuff I've read about Stephen King and seen interviews with him,

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there was an entire period of his career where he was just on so much cocaine, he doesn't remember writing a lot of his novels.
I did watch a K-drama like that once and it was very fun.
Fair enough. Whereas like the main character of the K-drama is someone who suddenly realizes that she's in like a Korean comic or like graphic novel series.

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And that she's a minor character whose whole reason for being there is to be a character who dies of an illness and like gets the main characters to meet each other and fall in love.
And then she's like, hey, screw this. Very fun. It's called Extraordinary You. If anyone's interested in K-dramas.
Anyway, probably better than the Stephen King Dark Tower ending.

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Like if I haven't said it before, Cell is by far my favorite Stephen King novel.
And the ending is so unbelievably disappointing that when I started reading Under the Dome,
I started feeling as I was getting closer to like the third act of the book, I was feeling like I don't actually want to finish this.

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Yeah, because there is no way the payoff is as good as the premise.
So I literally have never finished it. It's sitting on the shelf out there.
Like I bought it when it came out and I was like, this is like, you know, because obviously I spent a lot more time working in retail,
doing a recession means you have a lot of spare time.
And when you've done dusting everything, you kind of get bored.

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And I started reading a lot of novels and when this came out, I sort of was just like instantly like I'm buying this.
And it just it just smelled like I was not getting a good ending.
Well, Stephen King has said himself that he prefers the movie ending of Carrie to his written ending.

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Yeah, because he can't end anything.
He's like, yeah, that's a better ending.
And obviously the remake remakes the ending of the first with some changes,
but it's still the ending of the film, not the ending of the book by a long shot.
Getting into the difference, the main differences, obviously, there's an era difference.

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Yeah. Cell phones being a huge thing in 2013.
The thing that annoyed me about that was like, I understand that they're trying to modernize it
and that they're trying to do this whole like, you know, add cyber bullying into it and some of that.
But I already thought it was kind of unbelievable that in the 70s,

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a 17 year old doesn't know what a period is.
I mean, she's obviously quite a late bloomer.
Yeah. But not unheard of to, you know, be 17 and get your period.
Yeah. But like to be 17 and get your first period and have never heard of it

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to the point that you're like horrified of it is weird.
And I feel like that's just Stephen King not knowing women.
Women. Yeah. It's probably where that originally comes from.
But then to try and adapt that into 2013 when they have access to the Internet,
where like, you know, you could argue she clearly or it seems like she doesn't have access to a computer

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or to technology or Internet in her home, but they have school computers.
And the second she starts to realize she has telekinetic powers,
she immediately goes to school computer and Googles it.
So she knows how to do that. I mean, she does kind of look at another guy doing it,
but she knows that that ability is there.
It's also she doesn't Google because like, oh, she Google's magic powers.

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Yeah, she Google's magic powers. And I'm like in my mind, 2013, that's going to take you down some weird like.
Yeah, that people doing magic tricks. Yeah.
Which is what she ends up watching on YouTube.
She's watching like really bad sleight of hand sleight of hand tricks.
And it's like, oh, I can do this. And it's like she never practices like.

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So she watches like a clearly, easily like replicatable like trick
where you try and like move a page over. Yeah.
So my main this is getting to my main point of why I dislike the remake over the original.
In the remake, her powers are less earned.

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Like she is just instantly like I have full control. Yes.
Yeah. To the point where like I can understand it's it's.
So I we've done a big rabbit hole, right?
And it was a rabbit hole on who wrote what first.
And for those who probably don't watch a lot like so for Marvel, for example, there's a character called Phoenix.

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And then the adaptations for the live action of the third was sort of the ending of two and the inter third of the X-Men movies.
Phoenix comes through. So X2 and X1 last stand.
Yeah. So Phoenix becomes a main character without going into a lot of lore that I don't really remember about Phoenix.

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That is basically like a demigod, like a perpetual god who's a small shard of it exists in the mutant Jean Grey.
And then there's some debate within the universe, because if I remember correctly,
it turns out she's not a mutant and a bunch of other stuff. But anyway, the other character that came to mind is Scarlet Witch.

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Oh, yeah. And Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness.
And it's funny because I felt like Sissy Spacek kind of looks a little bit like Elizabeth Olsen.
So I was thinking that we were watching the first Carrie. I was like, why didn't they cast Elizabeth Olsen?
Yeah, yeah. Like she was unknown until she was not unknown.
Her sisters are Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. She was in shit in the 90s with the Olsen twins.

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She wasn't recognizable without being like, oh, she's an Olsen sister.
I think she was, because the first few things I saw her and I didn't realize that she was related to the Olsen sisters,
because I'm stupid. I just because I didn't I wasn't as into the Olsen twin world as some other people my age.

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So you weren't a straight white male waiting for the day that turned 18?
No, people might. So there's a lot of a lot of women my age, people who were born in the early 90s,
who grew up with Olsen twins movies, like just like a whole series of VHS tapes of Olsen twins movies.
I had a friend who was super into them, had seen like a collection of Olsen twins movies.

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They did have a show as well, two of a kind. I watched some of that, but I didn't get into that.
You were pretty safe full house and I was like...
No, no, no. They had an Olsen twins show. They had a whole Olsen twins cinematic universe.
And if you were super into that, you knew they had a little sister, Lizzie.
Right.
But I did not. And I had seen her in, what's it called? Martha Marcy May Marlene?

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I don't know.
It's a movie about cults and it's really good and she's really good. And I was like, who's this actress?
She's incredible. And then she showed up in the Avengers movies and I was like,
oh, it's her. And then I was like, oh, she's an Olsen. I did not put two and two together before.
But yeah, so she was an old boy, I think. The remake of Old Boy was before the Marvel stuff,

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as far as I know. And that was around, the remake of Old Boy was around the same time as this movie,
if I remember correctly. So like they could have cast her in the remake of Carrie.
Yeah.
Easily.
Anyway, back to my point.
From the original 1976, her powers develop very slowly and it feels very like,

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X-Men in general, right? It's a story about puberty.
Yes.
And being ostracized from the general public. We can argue about the tax laws
and why there were mutants instead of like action heroes, because it was around to get around
the tax laws of like, you know, like dolls. There was a massive tax thing around dolls,

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so I'm putting dolls into the America. So when X-Men came through, they were basically marketed
as mutants and therefore did not fall into the category of toys that had this additional tax.
Right? It's a big thing. I know you're looking very confused. It's the same like the amount of
time where technology has created advanced new, I wouldn't say advanced, but new technology has

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created a franchise. X-Men is a big thing. And also within that is Transformers, because this new
technology came out of being able to make things into other things and the cheapness of the
production, but the quality of it. And then they made this new technology, and it's a big thing.

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This entire franchise around being able to make things into other things. It's all been a massive
ploy to sell toys. So without going into all the lore about X-Men, you know, it is about puberty.
Is it about like, you know, having emotions that are uncontrollable and then physically manifesting

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in life. And Carrie is the ultimate, like the 76 version is the ultimate version of this.
Her powers only manifest when she is emotionally fragile and displaying emotions that are very,
very passionate, very like anger and fear. And I feel like the 2013 one is not earned, like I said,

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she is able to control things on will rather than without having the emotional part to channel her
power. She does get that in the 76 one, but it happens later. Yeah. Have you seen the Netflix
series? I'm not okay with this. It sounds familiar, but I don't think I've seen it. Okay,

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we should watch it because it's great. And I think it does this exact thing better than
but it's very clearly has homages to carry in it. But it is also about like someone developing
powers as they go through puberty and then not being able to control them and like it being
reflected by emotions and then when she gets really embarrassed, like things happen. And yeah.

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Anyway, it's it. I feel like the differences between us, I'm going to just use because it's
otherwise I'm going to say Carrie and Carrie is going to be very confusing. Sissy and Chloe's
adaptations, right? Yeah. Chloe feels like is it Matilda, the girl that has magical powers and

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can move stuff? It feels sort of within the Harry Potter universe. Just the delight of her being
able to do this, where you have, I think in Carrie, you know, the to describe the character for those
who haven't seen it, obviously spoilers. Her mother is a person who is suffering from mental

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illness and is very, whose mental illness is displaying in a very, very aggressive Christian
fundamentalist way where anything she doesn't understand is literally the work of the devil.

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And everybody is unclean. Everybody is filled with sin and the amount of and I'm sorry for
the triggering part, the amount of child abuse that we see on screen in both adaptations. It's
way worse than 76 because the teachers are just hitting kids left, right and center. And it's
like you would go to jail nineties onwards from the teacher hits her in the 2013. Yeah. But it's

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like one and she's just like, I'm sorry, I hit you. But the other one is just like everyone is
smoking. The teachers are smoking around children. The gym teacher just like beats the shit out of
her. Yeah. The seventies shows through very much in a 2025 lens that is very, very jarring.

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But yeah, the Carrie, Carrie, no, sorry, Carrie, Julian Moore's portrayal of the mother is so good.
Absolutely spectacular. That's what that's probably what I was talking about with the
acting. I think across the board, the acting is good though in the remake. There's some weird
stuff with Chris and Billy. I there's strange characters in the remake, but that's a whole,

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that's a character choice, not like not an acting thing. But Julianne Moore is just like incredible.
Julianne Moore is giving like Oscar worthy performance in this film. And it's such a shame
that like big people overlook horror movies, especially adaptations of horror movies as well
for performance. Yeah. Well, the 1976 Carrie did have two nominations for. Yeah. Do you know who?

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Sissy Spacek was one. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if I took down the other one, but I could find it
real quick. It's one of the one of the it was so she got best nomination for best leading actress.
And there was also a supporting actress one. But there's so many supporting actresses in this. I
don't remember which one it was, but I can find it real quick. But yeah, so I was surprised to even

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find that out that like, because as you say, it is very much that the horror as a genre is overlooked
in awards, generally speaking. Because her performance is like, don't get me wrong, both the
mother characters, they have the same energy on screen. It was the mother character. There was

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Piper Laurie who played Margaret White got nominated for best supporting actress.
They both have the same sort of energy on screen, which is like
everything you're experiencing, like to the point where she blames a 17 year old girl getting her
period on the original Eden Eden. Why can't I remember the name? Eve's original sin. Yeah.

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To the point where only people who have unclean thoughts and are sinners get their period, which
is that alone is child abuse. Yeah. And I think it's the fact that like she in both adaptations,
she didn't prepare her for it. Yeah. You know, but obviously her school didn't either, which is
bizarre because you know where you get, I mean, I know the American education system is bonkers

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sometimes, but there's no way you get to 17 without being taught something about the reproductive
system. Cause there is an offhanded mentioned comment in the 2013 one talking about the fact
that the school, the principal apologizes about the legal ramifications of why Carrie can no

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longer be home schooled. Right. And I feel like being that she has no friends, being that she
doesn't fit in, being that she basically goes straight from home to school. I feel like she's
only just joined the school. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot that they did have a throwaway line to explain
away the fact that she doesn't know. And I feel like it sort of doesn't quite cover up all the

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things that you've mentioned about not having, not using Google and stuff like that. But it does feel
like it's sort of like, here's the rug. We're not going to put it underneath, but we're just going
to like leave it in that area where you may kick it underneath and not remember about it later.
Yeah. Yeah. Like they did make a note of that at the time. It was like, oh yeah, this is their
explain away why she knows nothing line. Cause you are right. Like there is no way you'd get to 17

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and have never have had a health class. Yeah. And I mean, I went to Catholic school in Ireland and
we had at age 12, like a, didn't you say one day, or am I making this up? And this is like some weird
memory. Didn't you have a health class where some of the class members were already pregnant?
Yeah. Yeah. So we, so we didn't do health class. We have, but we had like in primary school had

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like a one day thing where they brought in someone to literally just do sex ed with us for one whole
day when we were all like 12. But at that point, some like a lot of several of my classmates had
already had their periods by 12. So they were like, yeah, we already had to go through this.
And then in secondary school, they just did like a one hour thing with us when we were like 16 or 17.

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And yes, at which point there was at least one girl in my class who was pregnant.
But she got pregnant on purpose. So that's a whole other story.
Do you want to give me a tidbit of the story? I think she just didn't want to, my understanding
was she didn't want to go to school anymore. And to drop out of school, she purposely got pregnant.

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So she wouldn't have to come to school anymore. Okay. Which is great at 16.
Like, I don't, you know, I haven't been in touch with that person in like almost 20 years at this point.
So you're saying that child, that child is now a 20 year old somewhere. Possibly.
Yeah. Well, so she would have had the kid when we were 17. So 2008. So there'd be a what 16 year old now.

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That's nuts. Yeah. That child is now at the age that they were conceived in.
Yeah. That's bananas. Yeah. Isn't that nuts?
Yeah, that's shocking to me. Anywho, where am I going? Yes. So that's how I would get away with
sort of, you know, that sort of thing, what you were saying about how does she not know how to Google.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, because it might have been Ask Jeeves then. No, 2013. Oh, yeah, true.
Google was definitely Google. She could have used Yahoo or Bing. Oh, yeah. Yahoo answers.
Did we not see it? I can't remember what it was. It's probably some made up one. Yeah. To protect,

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you know, not giving asking Google for money and not getting it. I think they use, I'm trying to
think what they think in like National Treasure, they use Bing or something. Yeah. But then again,
that was 2004. So it was I highly recommend for those out there listening right now that use Duck
Duck Go. Yes. It doesn't have an algorithm and is not paid, powered by AI. And it doesn't steal your

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data. That is a free sponsor to free shout out to Duck Duck Go. Please change your default. These days
I only really use Google at work. And that's mainly because the default search at work is Bing.
Yeah. And half the time if I search for something and it searches on Bing, Bing cannot
tell me anything. Yeah. So Bing is so useless that I'm like, okay, fine, let's go to Google.

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Yeah. Whereas at home, yeah, I use Duck Duck Go as well. I think you've got a little bit of more
privacy because depending on, so I'm going to get into weird IT stuff for a second. You'd be using,
if you're at work, it'd be using a subnet mask. And your IP address would probably be the router
rather than your computer. Because if your computer is plugged straight in, you've got a little bit of

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and you've got everybody's garbage getting washed through. Everybody Googling stuff would be washed
through. So you're a little bit more protected at work Googling things. Not that I'm suggesting you
Google controversial subjects at work folks. Don't do that. You will get in trouble. Yeah.
Your IT people can tell which computer it's been searched on. Yeah. Anyway, back to 2013, back to

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76. I feel like the background character actors, the scenes we get with the other characters in Aunt
Carrie, Aunt Her Mother, Aunt the Gym Teacher are a little bit more flushed out in 76. It doesn't
feel that it does affect the pacing. John Travolta's character is far more interesting than I don't

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even remember his... Billy is the character. Yeah. I think Chris and Billy, that couple, are better
in the 76 version. 100%. But I feel like the intentions of Sue and Tommy are much clearer in
the 2013 one. Yes. Because in the 76 one, I thought they were in on the joke. Yeah, it does feel that

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way. So what happens is Sue is one of her classmates and she's going out with Tommy, who Carrie maybe
has a crush on. It's unclear, but she's the only person she shows some interest in. And Sue...
This is true of both movies, but it's just not as clear in the original, I think. Sue feels bad for

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the fact that they bullied Carrie. So she asked Tommy to ask Carrie to the prom. But Chris and
Billy's whole plan with Carrie depends on her going to the prom with Billy. So I assumed in the
original, because they don't make it clear, and because Sue and Chris are friends, that they had
come together. And the plan is, Sue gets Tommy to take Carrie to the prom and then Chris and Billy

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pull the prank while Carrie and Tommy are at the prom. There is a lot of... It is almost an IKEA gun
plan, because it also relies on them being named homecoming king and queen. Yeah, which they do

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better in the 70s one. It's clear that they rig that, because they get people together and get
people to volunteer to collect them, and then they swap out the votes so that they'll win and go up
and then they can drop the pig's blood on Carrie. I was gonna say spoiler alert, but I think that's
the one bit of Carrie everyone knows. It's a trope at this point. Yeah. And I got so confused, because

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Sue shows up to the prom. In the 76 one, Sue is at home having dinner with her family, and she's like,
oh, it's eight o'clock, I gotta go. And then she runs to the prom and she hides backstage
where they're preparing this prank, and she's holding the rope. And then she looks at it and
it's like, what is this? Then she gets out and sees a book and is like, oh no. And it's like,
what do you mean? I thought you were involved in this. Whereas in the 2013 one, she's genuinely

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remorseful and she's like, I think it would be really nice for Carrie to go to the prom. And I
think a punishment for me, a fitting punishment for me, would be for me to give up that opportunity
so that she can have it and she can have a nice day. And Tommy is kind of like wishy washy about
it. And then it's like, no, okay, let's do this. And they seem genuine. Yeah, because it's not to

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the point where Tommy actually spends time with Carrie, that he actually sort of, because it
feels very 1970s wish washy, kind of like he is the character, I don't know if it's the actors
portrayal, like the actors look far too old to be the characters they're playing. Oh, they are. Yeah,
in the original, in the 2013 one. So Carrie is supposed to be 17. Yeah. And Sissy Spacek was 25

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playing her. Yeah. And Chloe Grace-Moratz was 15 playing her. Yeah. So she was younger than she's
supposed to be. I think it works to the advantage for the portrayal as well. Yeah. Tommy in the 76
feels very 1970s high school jock. And he has high school jock energy where he is kind of like,

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if it wasn't for his poem, you'd expect him to be like a plank of wood. Yeah. The constants,
like, when they're questioning him, it's like, why do you want to take Carrie? Like, can you leave
the girl alone? Yeah. And he's just like, oh, you know, oh my god, guys, like, you know, you've got
the big Bond Afro, he's wearing a denim shirt. Yeah. It is very 70s, like, and his, his sort of

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attitude towards her when he's like asking her out is just like, hey, what are you reading in the
library? It's like, oh, do you want to go with prom with me? And she's like, no one runs away.
And then he just rocks up into her house and is just like, and refuses to leave until she,
and she keeps asking him to leave and saying no, and he refuses to leave until she says yes.
Whereas in, in the remake, he kind of talks her around to it. And he's like, you know, you liked

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my poem. And you know, I think, you know, we could spend the night, you know, we can spend that
evening together, we can have a fun time, like, just enjoy it. Because in the 2013 one, she reads
out her favourite poem, right, and he's the only one that doesn't make fun of her, right, including
the teacher. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in the in the 2013 one, he seems to actually care. Because

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there's even a moment like we get to see him and Sue talking about it and, and her and, you know,
before she comes up with the plan for him to take her to prom, talking about Carrie and how she
participated in the bully and that he's like, well, you know, to try and make it feel better,
he's like, oh, one time I kicked this guy. But like, and then he's like, but actually,
that guy had been a dick to me all year, where he's like, what did Carrie do to you? And she's

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like, nothing. He's like, mmm, kind of problematic, Sue. It is very,
like, everyone knows, most people know the term run to the litter. And it is a, and it is very
similar within friends groups. It is very similar, especially with young boys. It is very similar

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with girls as well. There is always like an L like a leader, who everybody else goes along with. And
then within that same circle, there is the smaller or weaker individual could be based on, you know,
it could be for boys, it could be height, it could be the fact that, you know, they're poor,
could be any number of things that excludes them from being within this inner circle.

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If you're going to say that Sue, I don't think that's accurate.
No, but I feel that who's the who's the bad girl? Chrissy?
Chris. Chris is very much like she is the...
Yeah, she's Regina George.
Yeah, she is the queen bee within this group. And she is literally just like deflecting everything
towards Carrie. And it is very obvious within, you know, the whole cyber bullying thing within

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2013. And it is very much like, if everyone makes fun of the same person, no one's going to make
fun of me. It all comes from a place of insecurity, you know, that sort of thing. And it's,
you find it a lot with people with siblings, especially when they're all boys.

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A lot of, you know, you get like from boys, basically, for those who have lots of brothers
they'll understand, for men who have lots of brothers who understand, but like the amount
of slurs you call each other away from your adults is borderline insane. You know, it could

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be like speaking of the era, because I call people out these days when they say shit,
but they shouldn't. And I try and also correct myself when I end up slipping and saying, say,
like homeless instead of unsheltered, you know, sort of that sort of thing.
Yeah, but even that one's not like as bad as the shit that other people say.
Yeah. It's very much like with that within that group. And I feel like so in the movie,

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it does actually feel some form of remorse and could understand that she could be friends with
this girl. And the like, why is she different? It's because her, she doesn't hang out with them.
She doesn't like follow the same thing. And I find that with some friends in the past who
were going to private school based on the fact that their parents were like scrounging for it,

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versus having so much excess that their children could be sent to private school and not affect
them. You brought it up with a BMW thing. There was a person I knew who you had to be in a club
by having like a certain bag. So all the girls got these bags. So you weren't allowed to associate

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them with because you didn't have a Gucci bag or whatever the hell it was. The BMW club that was
hilarious that your mother shut down and was just when you told when I heard that story, I was just
like, that's absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, for people who haven't heard the story.
It's that my my brothers did go to a private school, mainly because I think my older brother

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needed some extra direction in schooling, because he's very smart guy, but was in a school that was
kind of underprivileged and not not giving him the attention he needed to actually like, do well in
school. And then my younger brother, they went there just by kind of by default, because that's

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where their older brother had gone. But they but we were not super wealthy. And a lot of like you
mentioned a lot of people in private schools are. And my mom picked my brother and their friend up
from school one day and their friends said to my mom that she needed to get a get a BMW so that
my brother could join the BMW club. Just a club made by kids where parents owned BMWs. Yeah. And

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then mom said something to the effect of, well, where is your parent in their BMW? And why aren't
parents in their BMW? And why aren't they picking you up from school? It's like,
the car is so important. Why are they not? Yeah, I think I would prefer the, you know,
time spent with parents over over having a car that I really couldn't give a shit about. Yeah,

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it's such a that that is very much the mindset. So yeah, you sort of get this character development,
you know, Chris gets banned from going to prom suspended because she's not taking the punishment
of Billy and Carrie. And then she goes in both movies, in my opinion, like, in the 76, she is a
bad egg. And she is both emotionally manipulating her boyfriend, yeah, emotionally abusing her

(34:19):
boyfriend, being physically abused by her boyfriend, and then sexually abusing him to get her way.
It is she is a very toxic person in 76. Yeah. I feel like she is a like borderline mushroom,
mustache villain. And in the 2013 one, she just goes off the rails on her boyfriend instead of

(34:44):
just being like, you know, a jock from another school is like acts like a career criminal. Yeah,
because he's like when they're when they're setting up the the pace blood to fall and carry, he's
like, this is felony assault. If you tell anyone I was involved with this, I'll kill you. And you're
just like, what is this guy? And then they're like fleeing the town or whatever. And you're like,

(35:04):
what? Like, and then she's like, oh, yeah, because in the 76 one, so this is we're jumping over this,
but we're right towards the end. After Carrie goes nuts and her powers go like haywire, and she
starts like actually using them to harm people. Chris and Billy like escape in their car. And then
in the 76 one, like they see her and they're just panic and almost try to run over her and then she

(35:29):
stops it. But in the 2013 one, they see her and she goes, that's Carrie, run her over, kill her,
kill her, just kill her. And you're just like, OK, all right. Like, why did you escalate to wanting
to murder? Like, well, what is wrong with these teens? If you're because they they see a lot more

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of what happens in the 76 version because they like I think they're underneath the stage.
Yeah, and the 76 one, they're under the stage in the 2013 one, they're above in the
yeah, they watch through the window. And if you saw a child, you'd have been abusing.

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And then you dropped pig's blood on them. And the response for them not being like crying and
running off the stage was to murder fucking everybody with like mystical powers. You'd be
like, fuck this, I'm getting out of town, which is what they do. But instead, it's just like,
there she is. Let's kill her. Like you just watched a murder and an entire.

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Also, you just you just saw her like create a crater in the ground in front of you. And you're
like, oh, there she is. Let's just run over in this car that she definitely can't do anything to.
Yeah, it's yeah, it is very mustache twirling like villain esque in the 2013 one. Yeah.
She oh my god. So before I get into the most iconic scene of Carrie, Carrie's.

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I just want to talk about the the the mother a little bit more.
Just for just for a little bit of like subtlety.
She has no safe space. Carrie has no safe space. No. Yeah. Bullied at school, bullied at home,
bullied at school, bullied at home, physically abused, emotionally abused, spiritually abused.

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Also, like she in the 2013 when she goes to buy fabric and when she gets home, her mother is
telling me, like, where did you go? You know, you know that you're supposed to only go to school and
come straight home. So she's not even allowed to go to a third place. Yeah. And I feel like the

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the spiral the mother takes is more disturbing in a what is happening on screen level
in the 76 and more disturbing on a implication level in 2013. OK, because in the 2013 movie.

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So both movies start off with like, oh my god, well, the 2013 movie has a has a scene before it.
Yeah. Which is Carrie being born and her mother. I'm sorry. I just remember this scene really annoyed
me. Which one? The birth scene. OK, yeah. Because here's the thing. It's set up as like she's like

(38:22):
screaming or whatever. And then you see like along the stairs, like there's all the spilled stuff.
And it's like, oh, did her water break here? And there's like broken things. It's obviously like a
panic. And then you get into her room where she's getting birthed by herself, no one with her.
But she's lit like 30 candles. When did she do them? She got like, oh, I got to stop and light

(38:43):
all these candles before I get in the atmosphere. And between contractions, I have to create a massive
fire risk in my wooden house. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Yeah. It's a point where like, this is another
question I will bring up to you. And obviously spoilers, the entire podcast is spoilers. Yeah,
we know that. Does Carrie's telekinetic abilities stop her mother from stabbing her with scissors?

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Or is it she's just like the Cain and Abel moment? Not Cain and Abel. Who's the guy who takes his son
up to the top of the mountain and God stops him from murdering his own son? It's not Cain and Abel
because Cain and Abel were brothers. And they killed each other. Oh, one of them killed the other.
That was the first murder. Yeah. One of my brothers, keeper. I can't remember. God damn it.

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I don't know which of them. Oh, that's ironic what I just said. Sorry, I apologize.
Who the hell's his name? Anyway, yeah, he takes his own son up and there's that two moments of like,
was the filmmaker the writer trying to emulate this moment of like, God stopping her from killing her
child? Or was it Carrie super like, because that would be the most emotional part of being like,

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I'm nice and cozy and warm. Oh my God. Now, this is like, yeah. And that was the question I was
asking, but I couldn't remove the reference. So thank you. We've got there in the end. Yeah,
today he was killing Lizaac. Yeah. So what's your opinion? Yeah, I think it's, I don't think it's

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the powers at that point. Right. I think it is, I think it is a decision. And then she kind of says
it later, you know, that, and she said in both movies, I think she says that she
thought about killing herself as soon as she got pregnant. Yeah. And, you know, and she regretted
not doing that, which is, which is kind of a horrible thing to say to your child. And then

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she talks about how she should have killed her when she was born. Yeah. But only in the 2013,
and do we show, does it show that she actually like, considered it. And I think she says in the
2013 when that like, she went to do it and then she, and then she, she chose not to, and she wanted
to have the baby, to keep the baby. I think you could argue that it's like that, you know,

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from her perspective, it's, oh, God said, don't do it. Yeah. Because that's kind of how she,
how she sees things and how she believes. The way the mother character treats her daughter
in both these movies is so horrible. Yeah. It's disgusting is to like, I think realistically

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from a 25 lens, from looking back at both these movies, Carrie removing the, the ability to have
telekinesis, right? Removing that. There is, because she doesn't understand, because she
hasn't been exposed to everything, there is no way in hell, like everybody knows about her mother,

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yeah, within the community in 76. In 2013, it's very sort of like, oh, well, we can't say anything
because it's like religious freedom. It's, if she actually got to sit down and talk to a counselor,
the counselor could have called somebody, that person, you know, I know the social system within

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the States is not the best. It's not the best in New Zealand either. Like mental health is such a
huge issue. And I feel like if someone had stood and been like, okay, cool, I'm going to go interview
the mother and talk about like the problems Carrie's having at school. I think even within
the confines of what we see in the movie that should have happened. Yeah. There's a moment when

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in the 2013 one, when after she's had her period and there's the bullying that has happened,
and she's with the principal and her teacher and the principal says, you know, you're going to be,
or they tell her she's going to be excused from gym for the next week or whatever. And then he
says, we have to call your mother and the look of panic on her face. And she's like, no, why,

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why would you, you know, like at that point, if you're a teacher and you're a good teacher,
you go, what is going on at home for this child? That's her reaction. He is the little kid. I
don't think like none of the movies that teachers are good. I think the teacher, I think the gym
teacher's supposed to be good in both movies. I think the gym teacher's supposed to be good in both movies.
A little bit, but. I think she's supposed to actually care. Yeah. I think especially

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the display 13. I think Judy Greer plays quite a sympathetic. I love Judy Greer though. I think
she's great in pretty much everything I've seen her in. Very comedic actress. She's like the next
Joan Cusack. Not that Joan Cusack's gone. Because we see, we see in a little bit through the middle

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of, I think it's like beginning of act, it might be into act one, act two,
um, Julian Moore's portrayal of the mother. She is literally stabbing herself in the leg.
Yeah. To hold back what she blake to deal with what she's and she's physically like
hurting herself constantly throughout the movie and you see it. It's just very subtle.

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It's like those guys in the Da Vinci code. Yeah. Like whip themselves. Yeah. Um,
flagellants, I think is that Noah, that might be farting. No, that's flatulence. Okay. So
flagellants. Yeah. I don't think I've seen that word written down since, uh, since I read the
Da Vinci code. Anyway, um, it's not as popular. Let's bring flatulence back folks. No, um,

(44:28):
bring flatulence back every day. Um, put a fun emoji in the comment section. Um, the,
yeah, there's no way in hell that there would not be some form of intervention.
If someone actually spoke, like everybody knows everyone speaks to the mother, both ends. Like
she is mentally unstable and it is very sad that again, public school system, mental health,

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not important. Uh, even in this day and age, you know, we're going forward 12 years and as
still people aren't getting the same support. Um, gun violence within schools is up. You know,
we can't go one day without some kids, you know, being arrested, planning something. There is
a huge, huge deficit within, um, where this is set, which is I'm assuming middle America. It's like

(45:26):
generic America, small town America. Um, and yeah, those kids aren't like getting, getting any
support whatsoever. And it really shows because you could have the exact same movie, except

(45:46):
the kid has a gun at the end and it'd be the exact same movie. You could have a father abusing his
son to the point where then he gets asked out by the most popular girl in school to go to prom.
And they bully him on stage and he just like whips out and, you know, in full platform and
kills everybody. Like the movie writes itself and all you do is change the genre in the year. Um,

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and it is very sad that people aren't getting the support they need. And if you've known somebody,
this is especially within New Zealand, because a lot of young Maori men,
um, in their own lives, uh, because they're not getting support. If you know somebody
you haven't spoken to in a while, please reach out to them. Please have a conversation with them
and see how they're doing. Um, the last thing you want is being like, Oh, I should call that person

(46:34):
and then talk to that person or I should go see that person. I should message them on social media.
And then you don't. And then something like that, you know, a cousin, family member,
and it does happen. I've seen it happen to workmates, uh, or people, colleagues, um,
reach out, talk to everybody you need. Everybody needs a network. We human beings are social

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animals. We need to talk to each other. You need to have safe space. I know that's a polarizing
word because people use it in the wrong way, but everyone needs a safe space. And that is where
you can say something and not be criticized. And a lot of people aren't getting that at all.
Um, because of the unrealistic, uh, betrayal of certain individuals lives on social media.

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We, our outlook on the world is becoming more and more, we have infinite information,
but our outlook is becoming more and more jaded. And these algorithms, these things people are
building in literally to keep you on the app, to sell you things, to make these billionaires,
prop money. And it is not mentally healthy. It is not good. And you then you end up in a situation

(47:42):
where you end up on stage, pigs blood on you, and then you kill everybody. Um, it's as relevant
when the book was written, when the 76 came out and when 2013 came out, we are facing the same
issue. And we're talking over the last 40 years longer, uh, 70, 70 years, 70 years, 70 years,

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70. So 74, the carrier was written. I can't remember. It was just before the movie came out.
Yeah. Yeah. It was literally like right before. Yeah. So the last 50, 50 years we're facing,
and obviously because of the book was written, there was obviously was that within the
social site guys, because that's how Stephen King gets his ideas that in cocaine. Um,

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Yeah, I think he based some of the characters on people he knew.
So we're going to, we're going to say 70 years. Yeah. Basically since World War II,
we're going to say the social stigma of people not being able to address their mental health.
Um, and it's just continuing and it's never going to fit, fit change and be fixed until there are

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government policies and legislation to put there. And they won't do it because these people who own
social media companies keep giving them money because they know they're doing wrong. They know
it. You can't look at these people in the face and, or criticize them without people defending
them and you suffering something. And that's, that's the world we lived in as well. We've lived in

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since basically the end of World War II, which is unfortunate, but that's, that's why it is up to
you, the individual to make a difference because you can't, it's not going to happen. There's
nothing, there's nothing's going to change. Protecting guns isn't going to stop. What, what do you,
what's the world that we live in? Yeah. Anyway, back to the movies. Um, I think we've covered

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pretty much everything off except for the last scene, I guess. So the motivations, the lead up,
the interactions with the other characters and motivations of other characters,
the differences in the movies. Um, I do love the eyeball thing. The eyeball thing? Yeah. In 2013,

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when she uses the powers to like maximum her eyeballs vibrate. Right. And it is very much like,
I will not like besiege the witch, like quote that the mother uses in both movies. And you're like,
oh my God, is it actually like, is it satanic powers that she's got? Like, I think it's supposed
to be like, I think it's mostly ambiguous that like, maybe it is, maybe it is Satan, maybe it was

(50:34):
Satan, the baby in her. Yeah. Cause it is very much like her, the unbelievable description that the
mother gives Carrie in 76. Sissy's 70, Sissy's Carrie is literally given the description of how
she was conceived. And there's a little bit in the last one talking about like, but it's not as

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like graphic. Yeah. Which, which, which ending, which famous scene do you like better? Ignoring
CGI and all of which, which did you enjoy better? What do you mean? So the titular scene that everyone

(51:24):
knows from Carrie, the blood scene, the execution of everyone inside the gym. I probably prefer the
original, but I did think like the remake one is gruesome. They really needed to the horror of it.
They were like, and cause I think Sissy Spacek like plays it as that she's so shocked, like she's so

(51:51):
like engulfed in shock that she just can't, that she's just like everywhere she looks, she causes
something to happen. Whereas in the, in the 2013 one, like Chloe Grace Moritz is like, I'm going to
destroy you all. She does go like on a full like Sith Lord rampage. Yeah. Yeah. And it's very

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deliberate and very intentional. It feels, Avatar the last Airbender, it feels, or Borderline Dragonball
ZS. Cause she's like literally like to rise someone up. She like sticks her hand out. Like she's a
Sith Lord. Yeah. She just grabs them and like lifts them off the ground. You know, when she's
attacking people with electrified cables, she is like literally whipping her arms out and I'm doing

(52:36):
the movements. I'm sorry folks, if you hear my watch rattling, I'm doing the move, you know, going
through and like literally reaching out. But it was like Sissy's performances, she's like fully
wide-eyed, unblinking, unmoving. Yeah. Like that is, I feel like the most, I know this is a silly

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statement, the most realistic example of telekinesis. Yeah. Which is you're using your mind to move
things. So why would the rest of your body be involved? Yes. Yeah. But I do love the vibrating
eye virus thing. I think that's awesome. My understanding, cause I haven't read the book,
my understanding is in the book, the scene is kind of a mix of the two, but also like neither of them

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because she, cause she in shock runs out of the place. And then when she gets outside, she's like,
Hey, wait a second. And turns around and locks them all in and watches through a window when
she doesn't. Right. So it is like the shock and then they're like, hang on, deliberate, like a harm.
So they kind of both, you know, obviously Chloe goes where it's not leaving is, is because of in

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the 1976 one, she doesn't leave. It's also very obvious in the 2013 one that Tommy's dead. Yes.
They make it very clear that Tommy died. Yeah. In the book, he just gets knocked unconscious by the
book, but then when the fire goes up, it blows something up and that kills him. Yeah. But yeah,
in the 2013 one and in the 76 one, it's very ambiguous. He just gets hit. She doesn't even

(54:02):
seem to notice. Yeah. In the 2013 one, it clearly has killed him. And then she freaks out because
he has died. Yeah. And then it's just like, and it's kind of final destination that like she's
killing people off in ways that make sense for them. Like the, the vain girl gets her face pushed
through a window and the, the, the like girls who just are always like following the mean girl,

(54:27):
get actually trampled. Yeah. I think is it one of the jocks who gets crushed in the bleachers?
Yeah. So they're trying to do like fitting things. It's so gruesome. Yeah. Very gruesome.
It's also very funny because like did she pre, like she couldn't have preplanned it. Yeah. So
therefore she's just like, Oh, there's the jock that made fun of me. I'll crush him with the

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bleachers. Oh, the girl who's so vain. She looks at herself in the mirror. I'm going to smash her
face up. Yeah. It's very, um. The girls who follow the leader. I'm going to have to track, like that's
like, Oh my God, that's perfect. Um, and then there's a moment with the teacher who's nicer,
where she like force chokes her and lifts her up. And then, and you're like, Oh, she's going to kill
her. But then she just electrifies the whole floor and kills everyone else. And then it's like, I was

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actually saving you. I'm still punishing you. Yeah. But I'm not killing you. Yeah. Um, what did you
think of the crucifixion iconography? Also not in the book. Yeah. In the book, she just stops her
mother's heart with her mind. Which is the most efficient way. It's kind of badass to be honest.
Um, yeah, they do. So it's, it's St. Sebastian thing, right? Cause they've got a little statue

(55:33):
of St. Sebastian. It's also really bizarre. The glowing eyes. Yeah. St. Sebastian is glowing eyes
in the 2013. So they, so in both versions of the film, I don't know if this is in the book, uh,
they have, the mother has like a closet or like a cupboard that she locks Carrie in. And it's got
like a little statue of St. Sebastian with all the arrows in them that she can pray to, I guess. I

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don't know why St. Sebastian, but because he's like the patron saint of plagues and soldiers,
which are not connected to this. Anyway. Um, and then, and then when her mother tries to kill her,
she turns the knife on her and she stabs her with a bunch of knives. So she gets the kind of St.
Sebastian arrow imagery, but with knives. And she does that in both movies. Um,

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but it was very much like crucifixion because the first thing you see is her getting stabbed.
Yeah. Hands extended. Both of her hands. Knives, knives in the hands pinning her and then,
and then the St. Sebastian arrows. Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, I guess it's just trying
to tie in the religious iconography, but I don't quite understand why St. Sebastian. I mean, maybe

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it's they're trying to say like, cause he's a martyr, but like most of the saints are martyrs.
That's their whole deal. The most disturbing thing I found rewatching it, because obviously I hadn't
taken this information on board the last time I watched it. One of the items in 76, it appears
as her mother is a spatula and it's a rounded, like it's a type of spatula, um, that you could

(57:00):
buy if you go into like a chef store, like a store that's designed for, you know, like
for actual kitchen supplies rather than your, like your local, um, like generic store that's got,
you know, standard kitchen appliances. The speed and the force that would have to travel and to
penetrate your skin is insane. So like her powers are, it's not like, oh, getting scared by starved

(57:25):
things. How they filmed that. Were they on strings like they used to do with old samurai movies?
Yeah, they did it in reverse. So they, so the knives and things are on strings and they were
in embedded in her and then yanked out. Wow. And then they reversed the footage.
We're very cool. I don't think that's how they did it with the Julianne Moore,

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and I'm sure that was probably mostly CGI. I think they did try to do, um,
real effects with some like practical effects with some of the stuff in the 2013. My understanding
is the shattering mirror. They did practical effects, but it looked terrible. So then they
replaced it with CGI. So that possibly they, they might've tried a version with real effects,
but I think it is just, um, CGI. Whereas, yeah, I really liked that that was a way to,

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for them to do it in the, um, in the original. Cause in old samurai movies, they, um, had the,
the arrows were on string and they would actually fire them at the actors.
So if you had like, you had a scene where you're like a samurai and you're like,
you know, fought a bunch of dudes and that's how they would do the, like the Boromir scene

(58:34):
in samurai movies is literally someone would actually fire an arrow at you with a, with a
tiny nail on the end of it and have a board underneath your costume and a guideline for
the arrow. So it can't go anywhere except that board. And it looks real from an era of like, um,

(58:57):
who was the guy we just watched a bunch of like knew a bunch of movies from seven samurai,
um, yeah, that's how they did it. Yeah. So the actors are getting hit by real arrows that just
don't have like points on them. That's cool. Yeah. That's very cool. I like practical effects,
but yeah, I thought that was a cool kind of effect thing that they're doing in reverse is

(59:19):
fantastic. Yeah. Such a good yank them all out. And because it's such a close, like the
cinematography on that scene where they're so zoomed in. Yeah. It works really well.
Do you want to move into some trivia? Yeah, it's probably going to take a while. I think I have a
lot of trivia. Lots of things about it. Um, so a lot of it was around, so I think Sissy Spacek was

(59:41):
very much like really, um, wanted to do everything like as realistically as possible. Right. Um, so
for example, when she's referring for her character, she totally isolated herself from the rest of the
ensemble. She decorated her dressing room with heavy religious iconography as she studied, um,

(01:00:05):
Gustav Dore's illustrated Bible. Uh, she studied body language of people being stoned for their
sins, um, and started every scene in one of the positions of like the body language that people
have when they're being stoned. Wow. Um, yeah, it's crazy. Um, she asked Brian De Palma how he

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wanted her to react when Carrie first realized that she's bleeding in the showers. And he said,
she, she, what he said was it's like you've been hit by a Mack truck, uh, not knowing that Sissy
Spacek's husband, who was the art director on the film, um, had been run over by a car as a child.
So she talked to him and asked him like what it felt like and to describe that whole experience
to her. And then that was what she used as her inspiration for how to react as Carrie

(01:00:49):
when she discovered the blood. Um, there was also, I don't think I've taken it down, but there's
lots of stuff about how she got cast that like Brian De Palma didn't really want to see her in
the role. Like he had someone else in mind for the role. Um, and she had said like, oh, you know,
I could come along to an audition, but also I've got this audition for a, um, for a commercial

(01:01:13):
that's going to pay me, you know, $10,000. Everybody was like, oh yeah, you should go to that.
And she was like, so she, um, didn't wash for a few days, covered her hair in Vaseline to show up
to the audition and did the audition like that to be like, to try and embody Carrie. And then she
got cast. Um, she was, oh yeah, I said that she's 25 years old at the time of filming. Uh, so Nancy

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Allen who plays Chris in it said that she never realized that her character was so evil until she
saw the film. She thought that her and John Travolta were like such a self-centered bickering
couple of idiots that she thought they were going to be like comic relief side characters.
And then we saw it was like, Oh God. Um, and Piper Laurie who played Margaret White, the mother, um,

(01:01:59):
also thought that her character was so over the top that it must be a comedy. Um, so it was kind
of surprising to see on screen, like how terrifying like she is. That's good directing. Um, Betty
Buckley who plays the teacher had originally auditioned for a different Brian DePalma film
and didn't get cast. And he was like, um, I will, I will get a cab, uh, a role for you something else

(01:02:24):
and cast her in Carrie. But what she originally auditioned for was Phantom of the Paradise.
So that was fun. Um, the also the scene, the scene that you did reference where Nancy Allen, um,
performs oral sex on John Travolta to try and manipulate him and to get, you know, help your

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bully Carrie, uh, was cooked by the Irish censor board when the film was released in Ireland.
So people who saw Carrie in cinema in Ireland did not see that scene. Um, yeah. And then I just had
a note about the, um, how the book ending happens, but we can kind of, we can talk about that. Um,

(01:03:09):
but she just kind of dies. So, so she, she doesn't die in her house, the house, the whole house
collapsing thing doesn't happen. She stops her mother's heart and then she goes after Billy and
Chris. Um, and they try to run her down and she blows up their car and then she just like collapses
and Sue finds her and tells her that she wasn't, that, you know, that she's sorry and then Carrie

(01:03:30):
dies on just on the roadside. Right. Um, the remake, what have I got here? Uh, so Chloe Grace
Moretz also, I think was wanted to be very real. Um, so she purposely didn't watch any other version
of Carrie before, because she wanted to, she didn't want to be copying someone else's thing or inspired
by someone else. She wanted to bring her own thing to it. Um, she, I feel like there was,

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yes. Oh yeah. So she insisted that they not tell her when they were going to drop the fake blood
on her because she wanted to have a real reaction to that. Um, she also, because she was a minor,
she was only 15 at the time, she could only work eight hours a day, whereas other actors could work
longer. So a lot of the scenes are Julianne Moore is talking to Carrie. She's not there. The director

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is off screen reading her lines. Um, yeah. So, uh, let me see. Oh yeah. So she's also, she's the first
teenager to actually play Carrie because there've been TV adaptations as well, which are also paid
by people in their twenties. Um, there is, there was a scene that it was supposed to begin with.

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That's a scene from the novel, but as I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, the producer,
or the, um, the company, production company wanted it to be more like the 76 version. So they caught
a lot of stuff that was for the novel. Um, and it was supposed to be, um, like a young Carrie
wandering into her next door neighbor's garden and finding their teenage neighbor's son bathing,

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and then her mother running in and, and literally like, um, oh yeah, it like scoops her up and then
Carrie gets really upset and has like a tantrum and then it starts like raining stones. So it's
supposed to show that like her powers did start young. Um, and it was actually filmed for both

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versions, the 76 version and the 23rd version, and cut from both. So I thought that was interesting.
Um, yeah, so there was 40 minutes of footage that were cut out of it to, that were more faceless
with the book and then several scenes that were reshot to make them closer to the 1976 version
to make it a remake, which is why I was saying it is a remake. Um, the, oh yeah, because there was

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a, I must not have taken it down a trivia, but the, so the original 76 version took 50 days to shoot,
two weeks of which were the prom scene. And at one point, um, Sissy SpaceX slept in her bloody
prom clothes for three days for continuity. So that wouldn't like look different. Um, and for

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the Chloe Grace Moretz, she said that she was working in the blood for about three months.
Jesus. Um, and to the point that it like made her, um, her skin break out and stuff. And like,
so she had like crazy acne afterwards. Um, basically most fake blood on screen is like
corn syrup and food coloring. Um, and if it goes in people's mouths, uh, they use, uh, peppermint

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extract because it doesn't like, we tend to associate minty flavors with clean, which means
it doesn't, cause you're putting fake blood in your mouth. Your body instantly reacts like,
Oh my God, there's blood in my mouth. And you start panicking. It tastes clean. People don't.
Interesting. Oh, it's like there was a whole experiment about dying food, different colors

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and see what people eat. If you give someone, um, so we'll go with the full like RGB, not RGB. Yeah.
You know, RGB range of like chicken that has died in a color. I know we both don't eat chicken,
but I'm just saying in general, anything that is a natural color, people will eat it.

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If you die a chicken piece of chicken is the exact same. It's just all it's been is poached
and it's just given to you. And it's just dyed a different color in the potion liquid.
You will not eat like even if you ate a tiny small amount, just for the experiment purposes
of like, say chicken that has died blue, your body will react as if you're being poisoned.

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Well, I'm just like, is I'm just thinking about the time my mom tried to feed me green pancakes
and I viscerally did not want to eat those. Possibly it could have been just your survival
instinct to not eat something that's green. If you're listening, if you're listening, mom,
which you probably are science backs me up. Science backs me up. Don't feed. I didn't know.

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I just didn't eat them. Um, don't feed kids green pancakes. Um, unless they're really into that. I
guess. I mean, if the kid really wants it, uh, like fruity loops and all those weird children's
cereals that are aimed at kids and they're not like, I couldn't do that. So gummies, gummies
in general, I know you don't like them, but like gummies in general and not natural colors.

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Um, so they use a thousand gallons of fake blood. Uh, they did 50 tests of it and they had hair
and makeup for Chloe. And yeah, so she said she was working for about three months in the, in the
blood. Um, the, uh, at the pig farm. Oh yeah. So this was something, cause I read this before we
watched the scene and I was like, so in the 2013 one, Billy kisses the sledgehammer before he

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kills the pig. Um, he got really sick afterwards because there was like, because they had it on
the ground as well. So there was actual like pig droppings on the, on the sledgehammer and he got
incredibly sick after filming. Um, I think I tell you what's really disturbing about that same just
on that it's so unbelievably propaganda is really shows the era because all the perimeter, like you,

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you can't smell it. You've got a medical condition, which means you have no sense of smell.
But like, even when we're visiting cat, I'm not a medical, what would you call it? I guess it's a
disability. I just don't have a sense. There's no medical, there's no associated condition with it.
Yeah. Um, you can smell pig farms, pig farms stink because it smells like human waste because they

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are the closest to human beings from a genetic point of view. They're omnivores, you know, blah,
blah, blah. Um, having the outside painted like an idealistic farm of that factory is so disturbing
to me because it is now, I think, I don't know which countries it's legal in, but in most countries,

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it's illegal to film animal processing and animal farms because then if you release it to the public,
the public would freak out and then try and change the legislation and blah, blah, blah, blah. Um,
and it is so disturbing to have the outside of this pig farm be muralized and like happy pigs
living in a sunny green valley. And then they get over the line and it is not that it is literally

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there in cages squished together, living in their own filth. Sorry, I just wanted to bring that up
because you brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, the only thing that I had down really is that, um,
that scene where I said that in the, in the novel, she kills her mother by just stopping her heart.
They did actually film that for the 2013 one and it was one of the scenes that they were like,

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no, we shoot it and do this, do the death scene for the 76 one. Um, the other thing that I want
to talk about at some point, but we didn't, but it's, you know, it's not a huge thing, but it's
that, um, it's just the evolution of what Carrie looks like because in the book she's described as
like frumpy and plump and covered in acne and, and so by that. And then obviously Sissy Spacek

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looks nothing like that. She's like skinny and pretty and whatever. So they made it, what they
turned it into was that like, she could be pretty if she put in an effort, which is a trope now.
Yeah. Um, but then in the 2013 one, she just is pretty. Um, even like they do still have that,
that scene where they're, where the teachers like, just put on some makeup, curl your hair, but like

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she's a pretty teenager. Um, and what they did instead was that they made Chris, um, someone who
is like clearly wearing fake tan and clearly like doing herself up and it's supposed to be supposed
to kind of subconsciously make you think, oh, she's kind of jealous of the natural beauty that Carrie

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has. Um, so they just, so it's just like this evolution of like, you know, she's this, you know,
frumpy covered in acne teenager to she's, so I feel like that's a problem. I'm not like,
just, I'm sorry. I'm just thinking like, surely if she covered in acne. You want to have problematic
moments in these movies. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, I'm saying if we think back to

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just Stephen King, not knowing women that like surely she wouldn't have had the acne if she
hadn't hit puberty yet. Yeah. Anyway, um, so we're talking about the most problematic scene in both
these movies is the fact that it's a girl's shower scene where they're 17 years old and it is shot

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in a, the bride and the panel one is horrifying. The fact that there are just girls running around
topless. They're clearly wearing Merkins. And then it's like her, it's sissy space. Like the way they
shot the sissy space like shower scene where she's like, just like massaging herself. Corressing her body and it's all in slow motion with like soft music playing. Yeah. I was like, what is happening? Like this is not what, how I expected this movie to be. This is not okay.

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That's the actual answer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she was 25. Yeah. But still. Playing a 17 year old girl. Yeah.
That's weird. It's really weird. And the fact that she's, I feel like they didn't make it like a sexual in the 2013 one. Yeah. Probably because they had an actual 15 year old. Yeah. And like, and a female director. Yeah. Which probably helped.

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But yeah, that opening scene of the shower is just like, that is one unrealistic to reality. Also has twisted every single boy who ever grew up from that era into now, because every single shower gym scene with women, they're all wearing like very expensive underwear and just standing around talking. Right.

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Where in the reality is, is everyone is afraid of ashamed of their own bodies and is hiding in a corner, just being like, finding ways to change your clothes without seeing anything. Yeah. Yeah. These girls are running around having tickle fights, wearing nothing. Yeah.
Also, they, none of the, none of the actresses wanted to do it in the, in the, in the 70s one. But they had shot Sissy Spacek separately first. So they showed them all the footage of her and they were like, see, this is what it's going to look like.

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See, I make a 17 year old look sexy. And then they were like, okay, all right. And then they all appear naked in the movie. Yeah. It was a weird one. I think, I don't think any of them were teenagers. Yeah. Because it would be a crime. Yeah. But it's still a weird way to start your movie about teenagers. Yeah. Anyway.

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