Why Your Spirit Must Lead Your Flesh To Find Peace, with Damien Lapsley: Episode 360

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back, listeners.
I'm Robin Black, and this isIt's All About Healing Podcast.
We have a very special guestagain.
For any of those who've beenlistening to my podcast, you
guys know Damien Anthony.
He is a very good friend ofmine.
I'm glad to have you back today.
We're just going to kind of havea general discussion about our
spiritual journey and thingsthat the struggles that we face

(00:22):
also along the way on ourspiritual journey.
So, Damien, go ahead andintroduce yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
All right.
Like you said, I'm a specialguest.
So I feel special.
But I'm Damien.
I'm actually right now I'm atruck, a logistics owner,
operator, and also do uhphysical personal training for
men of faith.
And I started doing it at mychurch, and it just grew a
little bit to where I do itoutside of church and people

(00:48):
that want to become members, andI help people become spiritually
strong and physically strongbecause it all goes together
mind, body, and spirit.
So that's what I do.

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
I like that.
So tell us a little bit aboutsome of the struggles that you
may have had on this journey.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Oh man, some of the struggles.
Where do I start?
I want people to know thatwalking with God isn't easy.
Like, like when Jesus callsChristians, he calls you to
carry your cross.
And it's going to be tough inthe beginning because I mean,
just like the Hebrews when Mosescame and got them out of Israel
and got them away from Pharaoh,he had to free his people.

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Like their first destination wasgoing into the wilderness.
And the wilderness is anuncomfortable environment.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like a lot of peoplewhen they start walking with
God, you're going into thewilderness.
You got your faith, and you'reyou have to be tested and you
have to go through the hardparts first, most of the time.
So it's like when you go intothat uncomfortable position,

(01:49):
it'll show you who you reallyare, and if you're going to
become, if you're going to keepgoing forward, if you're going
to carry your cross.
And it helps you strengthen yourspirit as you continue walking
forward.
But yeah, in the beginning, it'sit's always usually tough.
And a lot of people turn backfrom that.
Like a lot of people don'tcontinue moving forward because

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it is, it's it's not a goodplace.
Like just think if you got takeninto the wilderness right now.
Like that'd be yeah, them bugsout there.
I'm like, hey, I'm gonna I'mgonna just head back.
This ain't for me.
But yeah, it's it's very toughbecause you have to shed off the
old you, and Jesus will helprebirth you, the new you.

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So it's like you gotta cancelout all the things that you used
to that you've been used to forthe plat past 38 to 35 years,
however old you are, you've beendoing it all your life.
So yeah, that's a struggle.

SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
That gosh, you definitely ain't lying about
that.
Because to me, like when you gointo the wilderness, it's like
to me, it's a lot like being ina gang, except like you don't
get jumped in, right?
Knowingly, you get jumped inunknowingly.

SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Hey, when God calls you, you gotta answer the phone.
Like, what you gonna do?
You can't not answer when Godcalls you to become who you are,
step into your spiritualpurpose.

SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
Yeah, and it's gonna feel like you're getting beat up
because everything is gonna,he's he's gonna empty your cup
completely almost.
That way he empties your cup andhe fills you up with him.
And I wanted to kind of speakmore on prayer because that's
what prayer is for.
Prayer is for the strugglebecause I feel a lot of people
either they're afraid to go toGod because you know the enemy

(03:37):
makes you feel like, oh, well,I'm in trouble.
I know I shouldn't have beendoing this, and because of
guilt, I'm gonna be afraid to goto him.
But that's the time when hewants us to come to him, and he
wants us to come to him withthose struggles because that's
what prayer is for.
Prayer is not for, oh, I hopeand pray that the Seahawks win,
right?
It's things that you'restruggling with.

(03:57):
So tell tell the listenersomething about you and your
your prayer life.

SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
When I first started praying, I didn't know how to
pray.
I didn't know how to come toGod.
And what I've learned over theyears is that God, He listens to
your heart.
Like when you pray with yourheart, that's when the
connection really starts withGod.
And like how like how you said,I think you mentioned when you
become weak or when you when yougo to God with prayer, like when

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you're at your weakest, whenyou're at the end of your rope,
that's when God can begin towork into your life.
Because you're you're you'remore spiritual acceptance or
accepting to to God andfollowing his lead because it's
like you you've done everythingin your power.
But prayer is powerful.
It's it's when you're spendingtime with God, you're building a

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relationship with God.
Because I mean, he wants to talkto you, he wants to build that
relationship with you throughhis son Jesus Christ.
So the more you the more youtalk to God, the more he'll talk
to you, and it'll strengthenyour relationship.
You can figure out how God talksto you because God doesn't talk
to everybody the same way, likehe can talk to you in your
spirit, in your dreams, throughother people, sometimes through
numbers.

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If you want you to readsomething in the Bible,
depending on what it is, it's somany different ways, but you
have to figure out how you andGod speak to each other.
And sometimes that may comethrough fasting.
When you empty out everything inyour body and you stop feeding
the flesh, like when you whenyou when your flesh is empty,
your spirit can now be filled.
You can hear, it's moresensitive to God, to the voice

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of God, and you can listen tohim, and he can he'll respond to
you in different ways that younever knew.
So, like prayer, you you alwaysand you don't have to always go
into like maybe a prayer closetor go on your knee, just talking
to God.
When you feel the presence ofGod, or you're thinking about
God and what he's done in yourlife, is like that is time where

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you can talk to God driving downthe street, you just thinking
about or thanking him for allthe things that he's done and
he's brought you through and theblessings that you have, your
health, your family, everything.
And you can tell him what's onyour heart because he knows it's
on your heart.
But when you're being authenticwith him, is when the
relationships get it, therelationship with God gets

(06:07):
stronger.
Oh, yeah, prayer is important.

SPEAKER_03 (06:10):
Like the more you do it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
Like I didn't know when I was younger.

SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
And I I feel that once you start building this
intimacy, this relationship withGod, it's like you'll not only
are you do you become sensitiveto the spiritual hearing, the
spiritual knowing, the spiritualseeing, it's like you start
realizing that he's answeringyour prayers instantly.
Right, right.
Right.
It's like you don't yousometimes you make this prayer

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and you're like, I don't knowwhen he's gonna give it, I don't
know when he's gonna do it.
But sometimes, depending on thesituation that you're going
through, it really is almostimmediate.
Right that you're like, hey, Imean you and you just know it's
something about it where youjust you just know because I
know during this this struggle,this road, since you and I have

(06:59):
both kind of been through somestuff.
We have definitely the commonbond, right?

SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
But we didn't even go there just yet, but I it was
it was rough, it was definitelynot as good.

SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
It was definitely rough, it was definitely rough,
but building that going throughthat together, it has definitely
kind of taken us along this thisjourney together to kind of help
rely on each other.
And I think that's also how Godhelps us is he sends his destiny
helper, somebody that's actuallygonna help you along the path

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with God through your struggles.
Because a lot of the time I feelthat a lot of us on this path
are always trying to figure itout ourselves, right?
And just as the Bible says, Godsays, do not lean on your own
understanding, but we're allhere for all of us, also,
because we're all gonna strugglewith this walk with God, reading
the Bible, all that is verydifficult.

SPEAKER_01 (08:02):
Yeah, that's what I want to talk about next.
When you mention it, I justwrote it down.
I'm like, another way God talksto us is through his word.
Yeah, and like a lot of people,like it was a quote I seen
online.
It said, The more I read theBible, I realize more that
people don't read the Bible.
It's like when you need to readthat word and figure out how God

(08:23):
talks, like it's there's manysymbols, symbolism, and just
different things that he willuse, that he will show you in
this modern day or in yourdreams that relates to the
Bible.
If you know what the things meanin the Bible, you'll know what
it means when you see it in yourdream, so you can piece it
together, you know what I'msaying?
So you can know how Godcommunicates.
Like it's is that reading thatword is very important, and it

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can teach you how to pray.
Jesus is praying in the Bible,he can teach you what to say, he
can teach you the Lord's prayer.
So that is the word is powerful.
That's one more another way thatGod can speak to you.
And when you said answeringprayers instantly, sometimes our
prayers are already answered,but we have a veil over our
eyes, and we just haven't wehaven't seen it, or it doesn't

(09:09):
look like how we thought itwould look like.
Like, for instance, for example,when they heard about Jesus
coming, they thought it wasgonna be like this king rolling
in the town and or coming downfrom the sky.
They thought God was gonna comeout through the heavens, but God
sent Jesus as a baby.

(09:33):
So, like a lot of people didn'tbelieve that that was Jesus, you
know what I'm saying?
So it's like you don't sometimesyour prayers and your your the
things God has spoken to you,they're not they're not, they
don't come the way that wethink.
Like God is so wise, like it'sso many different ways that He
can bless you, and you won'teven realize it.

(09:56):
It's just amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
I agree with that, and then I know Damien, I know
you have helped me outtremendously so many times, but
the number one thing that Iremember you telling me is that
your spirit has authority overyour flesh.
And I feel like, you know, withthe power of the tongue that
everyone talks that speaksabout, we forget that.

(10:18):
We often forget that the one wholives in us has all the power,
right?
He has all the power, he has allthe answers.
So anything that we'restruggling with, if it's like
that reminder of, hey, my spiritcan speak authority over my
flesh.
But what are some examples thatthat we can do that with?
How do how can we do that?

SPEAKER_01 (10:39):
That's a good, that's a good question.
It goes back to fasting.
Like sometimes you you gotta dieto yourself every day and um
continue to to empty out theflesh, stop giving it food and
pleasure on a regular basisbecause like the more you feed
it, the more it's gonna speaklouder and louder and louder.

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And now you're doing things forfor fleshly benefits all your
life, and you don't know how tolisten to the spirit, and now
your spirit is so quiet, it'slike you can't hear it.
But fasting is very powerful.
And once you get to a point towhere, like, your body is your
flesh is always gonna scream atyou for food and pleasure

(11:19):
because that's what you've beengiving it for so long.
But if you quiet it down, onceyou get to that point, maybe
after two or three days, that'swhat works for me.
After two or three days offasting, like my body, it
doesn't speak as loud to me nomore.
It's like, okay, now you knowthe the the spirit has
authority.
And like when you want to feedthe spirit, it go back to

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reading the Bible.
So it all comes full circle overand over.
You know what I mean?
You just gotta like you gottawork the process of prayer,
fasting, reading the word, andgoing to church.
So it's like it'll help youbecome a better disciple for the
Lord Christ.
Yeah, fasting, fasting is keyfor me.

(12:01):
Like I preach that to everybody.
Like you have to practice it,and you can work up to it.
You don't have to go straight indoing three days, you can do a
24-hour fast just so you can youcan communicate to the flesh
that you don't own me, like youhave no authority anymore.
And you have to practice it.
It's a practice, like you can'tjust do it one time and be like,

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okay, because people speakingup.
But it's like when you look atwhat's the verse, Matthew, when
Jesus was led into thewilderness by the Holy Spirit,
and it said, then he becamehungry, and that's when the
tempter started talking to him.
That's when the devil startedtalking to you.
The enemy can he can ruin yourdiet, he can ruin your celibacy,

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he can ruin a lot of things justby your body feeling some type
of way, feeling hunger or orsome kind of sexual arousal.
So it's like once you continueto continuously take authority
over that flesh by fasting, likeit'll help like the spirit lead
your life more.
And that's when you can connectto God easier and like you can

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hear from God, like what I saidearlier.
But yeah, that's that's themajor way that I can think of to
continue to weaken the flesh andand take authority with the
spirit.

SPEAKER_00 (13:20):
And I agree with that because the flesh is also
where distractions, right?
Because the distractions arewhat's used as a weapon to
distract us from our purpose,right?
And that those those temporarypleasures that you were speaking
of.
It's like it um it promises therelief, it gives you that
relief, you know what I mean,that instant relief almost.

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And it's temporary, yeah.
Yeah, but it robs you blind fromfocus.
So it you completely lose allfocus, and then that's when we
start to feel distant from God.
That's when we start to feelguilt, saying, Oh, well, God's
not gonna forgive me.
I'm gonna get kicked out thekingdom.
You start, you know what I mean?
It's always just like this isthe end all be all.
That's what the enemy in thedarkness brings to your mind is

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what am I gonna do now?
Now I have to start completelyover.
But no, the things that I feelthat we need to focus on is the
simple fact that God is verystrategic.
He's already calculated all ofour steps, right?
He is the beginning and the end,he knows what we're gonna do
before we even do it.
That's why we have to keepconstantly going to him, and

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it's about that daily bread,right?

SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
That right, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
Daily bread, bread it'll mold, it'll mildew.
You can't keep you can't havethe same prayer for weeks on
end.
It's something that you have togo to daily, multiple times a
day as well.

SPEAKER_01 (14:40):
Yeah, and I want to go back to reading the word,
yeah.
People, I don't think peoplerealize God is living and his
word is living.
He is the word is living.
So when you continuously readthe Bible, the Holy Spirit will

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give you different knowledge andunderstanding of the word, and
it'll help you become closer toGod.
People think it's just I don'tknow what they think.
Well, if I could think back tobefore I became saved, I just
thought it was a book with abunch of stories in it.
But these are prophets, and thatand the word is inspired by God

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through these people, and Jesus,which is God, is in the Bible,
and you can you can learn hisstory and learn how he was.
And the more you read it, themore things are revealed to you.
Like it's amazing because Iremember the first time I read
the Bible, I felt bad.
Like, like I'm like, yo, I can'tdo this.
Like, I'm like, yeah, God, it itain't me.

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Like, you know, especially theold testament.
I'm like, bro, like I'm about todie.
Like, it's okay.
Like, I'm a complete sinner, andI feel so bad.
I didn't want to read it again,but I read it from my
perspective, and when you readit from your perspective, your
human little brain is like, no,this, this, this, this is
horrible.
Like, I'm I'm just I'm notworthy.

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Like, and that's what the enemywants you to think.
And like how you say withdistraction, that's a part of
his game plan.
That's one piece of it, isdistraction.
He wants you to feel doubt.
He wants you to make you feelmake you feel like you're not a
child of God.
And but like once you read theBible from the Lord's
perspective and and from afather's perspe perspective, and
what he asks of his children,and what he wants from his

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children, and the grace that hegives us is way more powerful,
and it means more.
That's when it startspenetrating your heart.
Like, dang, like I've been I'vebeen letting my father down all
this time.
Like the the least I can do istry, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you gotta at least try todo better, and then like
learning Jesus, learning aboutJesus, like he will renew your

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mind and your heart, like youwill be reborn again.
Like, it's so crazy.
Like, I like I feel like I'm acompletely different person than
what I used to be, and it's justamazing.
And when I when I mention beinga child of God, I gotta say this
for the the audience.
We all are creations of God, butnot everybody is a child of God.

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Like people don't don'tunderstand that.
Like, well, I'm a child of Godand he loved me anyway.
Yeah, because God is love, hedoes love his creation.
But for you to be a child ofGod, you have to be a follower
of Christ.
And if you're gonna be an heirof his kingdom, you have to be,
you have to accept Jesus as theLord of your life and not just

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your savior.
Like a lot of people acceptJesus as the savior, like, well,
he died for my sins.
But a Lord is somebody that isthe head of your life.
You you you walk his path, youlisten to his instructions, you
you ask for his permissionbefore you do the things that
what you know you ain't supposedto do sometimes, but you ask
God, you pray about it.
That's what prayer.

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We go back to prayer.
So that's what prayer comeswith.
Like, God, am I supposed to?
You can ask him, am I supposedto go to this job?
Am I supposed to get into thisnew relationship?
Should I even start being amember at this church?
Should I start a business?
Like, that's when the Lord isthe Lord of your life.
Like, it's it's something thatyou have to realize, like you

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have to be adopted into thekingdom of God.
Like, not everybody is there.
And I don't, I don't, I don'twant people to think, like, it
was a saying I saw this ain'tthat bad.
Like, all sin is bad.
Like a lot of people, like,well, it's not that bad.
God let these people get awaywith this, and this person get

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away.
No, you need to focus on you andwhat's in your heart.
Like, God is, He wants to seeyour heart posture towards help.
So I want people to realize thatlike it's it's it's serious
business, and you gotta beprotective of your spirit, your
eye gate, your ear gate.
You gotta you gotta be caughtcautious about the things that
you listen to, the things thatyou watch, the things that you

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read, because it can, it can,like you said, it can be a
distraction and it can mess withyour spirit.
So you you have to be protectiveof your energy and your spirit
and your relationship with God.
Like it's I seen a quote thatsaid, if God, I forgot what it
said.

(19:26):
Hold on, you can go ahead.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
No, you're fine.
You're you're fine.
I just you're you're uh lookingfor that quote.

SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Yeah, it says, take Jesus everywhere you go.
And if you can't take Jesus,don't go.
So I'm like, yeah.
I love that.
We we put ourselves in certainpositions or environments where
we know it's gonna be a lot ofthings that God don't like.

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It's gonna be a lot of sinninggoing on, and you'd be like,
can't you?
Sometimes You feel like kind ofleft out because it's like,
okay, I'm a Christian, but Iknow I'm going to this house
party.
I know it's gonna be this.
Your spirit is already a littledisturbed.
And if you be like, hey, I feellike I can't talk about the Lord
in this environment, maybe youshouldn't go.

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You need to protect yourrelationship with the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
So yeah, that was that was I don't know.
That was interesting when Iheard that it is deep.

SPEAKER_00 (20:27):
That was very deep.
Like that, that kind of bringsyou back to that.
Um, what was it?
That what would Jesus do?
Bracelet.
Like if you can't Jesus exists,then I promise you.
That's it, I'm gonna give one ofthose.
Yeah, right.

unknown (20:39):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (20:41):
But I love that because I also feel that that
kind of works both ways becauseit also works with our intuition
as well.
You know, a lot of times, youknow, they'll they'll say, Oh,
well, I can't, how do I knowwhen God's talking to me?
How do I know this?
How do I know that?
It's your intuition that tellsyou because whenever something
happens to someone or to you,instantly you God will bring you

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back that instant replay, andyou'll be like, Oh, I know I had
that feeling.
I had that feeling thatsomething was this guy or this
girl, but you went ahead and didit anyway, right?
That those are those red flagsand that instant that we're
building with God that He'sgiving us.
When the moment somethingdoesn't feel right or something
doesn't seem right, and you andit's it's internal, like you

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know, right, yeah, something'snot right, it's that small,
still voice that tells you, andthen once it's ignored, that's
when God brings us back thatinstant replay of I knew it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
Right, exactly, and that that's that's your your
your discernment, yes.
Like once you start reading theword, you will strengthen your
discernment and and you willknow if it's my spirit, if it's
my gut, or if it's the HolySpirit.
The Holy Spirit can tell you,like, hey, you shouldn't go
there, or you shouldn't do this,you shouldn't be around this
person or or go to this job.

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So once you start reading inyour word, like with me, my
discernment has gotten real.
I can see it from a mile awaynow.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Like in you too, we have talkslike you you know when somebody
is sent by the enemy or sent byGod because the fruits that they
produce, you know what I'msaying?
Like you know the fruit of theHoly Spirit.

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If they're not bringing thatfruit, it's like you might be
from somewhere else.

SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
Absolutely.
Oh my gosh, that is you know aperson by their fruits.
It yeah, that is like thetruest.
Oh my gosh, uh, you just don'tunderstand.
That is big, and anyone whobrings the spirit of reform,
anyone who starts to bring backpast memories, past oh yeah,

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past people in your life.
It that is oh my gosh, that isthe darkness.
That is the darkness bringingback the spirit of reform
because they know where God istaking you, right?
They know that you're on yourway somewhere, so they're gonna
try to pull you back as much asthey can, and it's gonna look
pretty, it's gonna sound pretty.
They're gonna be promised youthis and that, and all these

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luxurious things, but don't doit like that exactly because I
remember he won't he don't wantyou to leave, he wants you to
stay a sinner, he doesn't wantyou to be forgiven for your
sins.

SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
He like even the enemy knows that we're all on
the road to redemption,redemption, yeah.
And like the your discernmentisn't telling between it's not
you knowing the between good andevil, it's the difference
between knowing what's good andwhat appears to be good because

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the enemy he mimics what God hasdone, like you know what I'm
saying, what he's doing.
So he tried to like he he hecomes in as a as an angel of
light, so it's like you got youhave to strengthen your
discernment, and like peopledon't like that.
Like people people like to livein their deception, like
deceived people are the mostdefensive, like you know like

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yes, like that's deep made it.
Like, oh my gosh, like they'rethe most defensive, like like
people that are deceived by theenemy, they they'll jump on you.
They're like, hey, no, you'renot oh my goodness.
Oh, like hey, because it's likeyou you want to protect the
thing that you know, and and youthink like you think your sin is

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who you are when it's not,you've been deceived by the
enemy throughout your life.
Like, and once you like peopleare deceived until they're faced
with the truth.
Like, for example, somebody in arelationship that is getting
cheated on, and their friendbrings it to them and be like,
Hey, I saw your boyfriend orgirlfriend out, they're gonna
snap on the person that'sbringing the message, like, no,

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you didn't, da da da.
They they're gonna be defensive,like you trying to ruin my
relationship, you're trying tobreak up a happy home, like when
they really just trying to helpyou out.
But it's like you want toprotect that so much until
you're faced with the truth.
When they got evidence or orpicture proof or a video, and
and they can show you the truth,like you your defense is is

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down, like your wall is down,and the truth.
So, what did Jesus say?
He said, I am the way, thetruth, and the life.
So when when when Jesus comes toyou and shows you the true faith
and your true nature, that'swhen you you can let your your

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defense down because you'reyou're no longer deceived once
you encounter Jesus.
Once you build a relationshipwith Jesus, it's like, yo, I
realize now, like the veil isremoved from my eyes.
Like it's crazy.
So, like, people got to becareful, like with different,
like when me and you used weused to talk about horoscopes or

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or fortune telling and justdifferent things, like
numerology.
Like, people think that's notfrom the enemy, but it is, it's
is demonic.
Like, yeah, Jesus is the onlyway.
Like, I want people to know,like, like anything outside of
God or that's not from God is isis is the enemy.
Like, you have to realize thatin the covenants that people

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make through fraternity,sororities, freemasonry, all of
that, like everything thatyou've done, like, like just
think about worship in a church.
Like, what do you think y'allare doing when y'all aligned
this?
I don't I don't want to go intofraternity because I know this
is my first time on your show.
I don't want your audience to bemad at me, but like you, you

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praising and worshiping thisfrat or this or this sorority,
like like you're supposed togive that to God, like you're
building a covenant.
Sometimes when they go throughthese hazing rituals, like
you're shedding blood, likeyou're not doing it
purposefully.
But I'd have heard about guyscrawling to destination on our
knees and and letting that lifeforce, which the enemy loves, he

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needs life force to besacrificed, and you're you're
shedding blood and you're you'reworshiping and praising this
sorority, like you're building acovenant with that thing,
whatever it is.
So it's like you have to becareful of the things that
you're being deceived by, and toto have you have to put on the
armor of God, and the way to dothat is going back to the

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scripture.
You gotta be in the word.
You can hear all this stuffonline or on social media about
the word or what it says in theBible, but you have to read for
yourself, you have to allow theHoly Spirit to give you wisdom
and to guide you on the thingsthat you're looking for that
that you need to know.
There's things in the spiritualrealm that are happening that
you cannot see.

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Like some people, some it may besome audience audience members
that then had dreams and theydidn't know what it meant, but
you can remember it vividlybecause it could have been a
message from God, but you youdon't know how to discern it or
interpret it because you don'tyou don't have a great
relationship with God.
So it's like if you're not inthe word, you can't get received
the messages.
It's like having having a cellphone and you trying to reach

(27:57):
out and and you ain't got nosignal.
Like every people do everythingin their power, you turn in the
charger upside down.
And hello, hello, they hear me,you know what I'm saying?
Up on the wall, uh, you're gonnareach the phone, you know what
I'm saying?
But like when God sends you amessage, you're not doing all
that that extra effort to try toreceive the message or speak to
God.
He's just like, Well, God don'thear me.

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But when you ain't got no barson that cell phone, you you're
gonna try to fix the issue.
So like you gotta you gotta uhfix you laugh, but you gotta fix
your connection with the Lord.
Like you have to.
But like people wrapping around,hello like maybe shaking it,

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hitting it on stuff.
Like I you know you're getting amessage, you know you got a
call, and people know thatthat's just like you can say you
know you got a calling on yourlife, but you're not ready to
hear it.
Like you're not doing everythingthat you can to hear that call
calling that God has put on yourlife.
So it's like you you gotta yougotta strengthen your
relationship, your your signalto the Lord.

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Stop laughing, right?

SPEAKER_00 (29:14):
Like for real, man.
I apologize.
It's just you guys, it's more oflike an inside joke because
Damien is hilarious.
Damien is a bit traumatic atall.

SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Oh my goodness, it's real though, man.
Like people not people are likethat's how our family used to be
when I was younger.
We would just go to church onSunday and think that we got a
good relationship with the Lord,or not on Sunday, on Easter,
maybe once a year.
But like you gotta continuouslypractice.
The Bible says pray withoutceasing.
So continue, continually talk toGod, continue to pray, and and

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if your body, if you feel it inyour spirit to fast, you gotta
continue fasting.
Robin, stop laughing.
We're gonna have to take acommercial break because you I
know I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
Okay, no, no, but I do because I remember oh echo,
stop.
So okay, so that was my Alexathing going off.
But um what I like what youhelped me with about a month ago
when you said that everyone hasan assignment, there's an
assignment by by the devil or anassignment by God.

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Everyone sent an assignment.
So even though these people whodo us wrong, even though you
know these people out here whoare hurting others, it's still
an assignment that they weresent on.
So it's it's like we alwaysquestion why?
Why do all these bad thingshappen?
Why are all these horriblethings happening in the world?
But I think that's the hardestthing is trying to find that

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understanding.
And I feel that the only way tofind that understanding is to
get with God, have build thatrelationship with God, and He
will bring you to thatunderstanding, right?

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
Right.
And with prayers, when you sayunderstanding, I thought about
peace.
Like some a lot of people arestressed out right now, they're
worried, have anxiety.
That's the peace is somethingthat you get from Jesus even in
chaos.
Like your life can be fallingapart, but you'll feel this

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unknowing peace that you neverfelt before.
Even if God doesn't fix theissue, like if he don't put
$10,000 in your bank account,like you'll still you'll feel
okay because you have faith andyou have a relationship with the
Lord, you trust him.
So it's like when you go intodifferent things about stress
and anxiety and all thesedifferent unclean spirits that

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are on you, just having arelationship with Lord with the
Lord, he can he can help guideyou through that, he can walk
with you through it, and andyou'll feel better about the
situation, even though it hasn'tfixed itself yet in the in the
physical realm.
Sometimes it takes God a littlebit longer to to fix any issues

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that you have going on, and he'sworking on it.
But if you have faith andcontinue on your path, your your
your your road to salvation, uhyou're gonna be all right.
Like you just gotta have faithin the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Absolutely, I agree.
And I really think that, well,one, I definitely want to thank
you because I feel that everyoneshould have someone that they
trust that they can speak to,they can be vulnerable with
while you're on this on thisjourney.
You can tell your troubles toyou.
You want to be able to havesomeone that's on the same path

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with you that you can speak toto say, hey, what should I do in
this situation?
Or like you said, the thedreams, the dreams that you
vivid that are that you remembervividly are more visions.
You know, you want somebody thatyou can trust that I can say,
hey, this is what I saw lastnight.
What do you think?
You know, trying to be able tohave that fellowship, have that

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person that can help youunderstand along the way is key.
Because I'm telling you rightnow, Davey, without you, I would
not be here.
I have so many questionssometimes.
And it's like I definitely feelthat I need you.
So in this, this this group thatyou said that you have, right?
With your your personaltraining, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you said that you helpmen.
So talk tell us a little bitmore about that journey.

SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
It's called men of discipline.
And um basically is it'steaching us to have one of the
fruits of labor is self-control,or part of the fruit of labor is
self-control, and it's learningto have self-control with your
diet and become more disciplinedin your diet and your work life
and your spiritual life, becauseit all goes together, like I

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said, with mind, body, andspirit.
And they continue to worktogether.
And and once you you strengthenyour mind, you know what I'm
saying, your body and yourspirit, like you be you become
more aligned with the Lord.
So that's what we do.
We pray and we work outtogether, you know what I'm
saying?
We help each other, we carryeach other through this through
this journey and thisbrotherhood that we've gained

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through our church.
And we just we just try to bemore cautious about the things
that we put in our bodies, youknow what I'm saying?
Because that that can distractyou, like you said earlier, it
can distract you of the thingsthat God has for you.
Like once you're you're sinningand practicing gluttony for so
often, like it's gonna put youin a different place, and then

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you're gonna start feeling likethat's not close to you.
It's like, well, you're notyou're not being a good steward
of your your temple, like you'recalled to be.
So it's like you you have tofollow his teachings and the
things that he wants from.
So that's what the men, we justwe just support each other, you
Like it's something that we webuild that that bond to where

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we're working out together,we're praying for each other,
and we we we check on eachother, you know what I'm saying?
So it's like I feel like a lotof people, a lot of men need to
build that in their community.
And when you talked aboutfellowship, like a lot of that
is gonna come through the churchbecause that's that's the the
body of the Lord, you know whatI'm saying?
So it's like like if you startgoing to church, if you don't

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have a church home, try to lookfor one.
Try to look for some good guysin your your community or even
outside of your community thatyou can connect with and be on
this road with them, you knowwhat I'm saying?
So because it's tough, like it'sit's hard to do it alone.
We're not meant, we're notcalled to do it alone.
Yeah, so yeah, we just hold eachother up.
That's that's basically it iswhat we we we help each other

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stay disciplined.

SPEAKER_00 (35:40):
And I and I like that because I remember when you
told me not to identify withwhat we feel is wrong with us,
just when you say gluttony,because I know a lot of us who
have suffered from depressionand things of that nature, maybe
you overeat, right?
Or because you're depressed, youeat, you know, you use food as
emotional support, right?
Because I know I definitely usedto.

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So that's kind of what I wasdoing.
I was identifying myself withthat, saying, Well, I'm just
depressed, I'm just depressed.
So then the more you say that,the more you become that.
And I remember told me that isyou can't identify yourself with
a problem because then youbecome that problem.

SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Exactly.
And you're you're in agreementwith it.
Yes, like a lot of people, theythey become in agreement with
that spirit of anxiety or or orfear, you know what I'm saying?
So, like those are gateways oropen doors for the enemy to
slide in and start working onthings in your life, start
destroying your, you know, theenemy comes to lie, kill, and

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destroy.
And like he he that that opendoor is saying, okay, um, I I
have anxiety or I havedepression or whatever the case
may be.
It's like don't try not to agreewith it or or try not to
identify that as who you are.
You you are a child of God, andGod wants you to come to him.
So it you have to stop.

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People have to stop doing that.
They don't realize what they'redoing to themselves.
And like that goes back to whatyou said earlier: the power of
the tongue.
There's life and death in thetongue, what the scripture says.
So it's like the more you speakit, the more it's gonna take
over your life.
Like you don't realize whatyou're doing to yourself.
Like you got to stop sayingthat.
Identify with the fruits of thelabor.
Like, I am joyful, I'm I'mpeaceful, I'm gentle, kindness,

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all that good stuff.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
So people, people like once inthat go, you gotta get in the
word.
Yeah, once you get into thatword, that's where hey, it's so
much, it's a different kind ofliberation that you feel knowing
that you're free from from sin.

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Like a lot of people are inbondage to their sin and they
don't realize it.
Yeah, and they think thatthey're free, yeah.
But until you try to freeyourself from sin, you will
realize that you're not free.
Yes.
Like try to try to stop sinning.
I don't want to I don't want toput that on nobody, but it's
hard.
And you need Jesus to do it, andthen you're gonna be like, oh, I

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really can't stop doing that.
Because some people think theycan't stop it.
I'm like, no, I'll just do itbecause I like it.
Yeah, you think you like it,once you see what it's doing to
your spirit and yourrelationship with the Lord, how
it's breaking Jesus' heart everyday, yeah.
Like you, you you'll startlooking at it different.
You'll start to hate your sin.

SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
And I love what you said about that's the bondage of
sin, because sin, when you're inthat, it's like you're in your
own jail cell.
So when you're in it, of course,you're not you're not gonna
feel, you're gonna be feelinglike, man, this is the life.
I'm I'm going out every day, I'mdoing this.
I got all these men or women oryou know what I mean?
You you're doing great becauseeverything seems okay, because

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the enemy doesn't want you tofeel that.
He wants you to feel good, hewants to, it's that it's like
the shadows of trickery.
Like they want you to feeltricked, they want you to feel
good because they want you to,it's like the perception that
everything is going well in yourlife, and you're thinking, well,
look at God, look at what God isdoing in my life.
I'm up I'm up on top.

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No, you're not.
No, you're not.

unknown (39:11):
Stop.

SPEAKER_00 (39:12):
Right, stop.

SPEAKER_01 (39:13):
No, you're not.
You're silly, right?
Oh man.
And I'm looking at you like, Idon't have my hand in that.
Yeah.
Like, I don't, I'm not, youthink it's God, and and and
that, and that could be yourlowercase God, because that's
that's that's that's what youidolize.

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So that could be your God.
It's not the God, it's not theholy father, but it could be
your God.
And people be thinking likemoney, like God, God has blessed
you with things that you need.
Like, not the things that youwant in this world.
That's what the enemy isblessing you with, and the enemy
is gonna bless you as long as hecan.
But he he's gonna ask for thatpayment in the end.

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Like, people have to know whenthey look at people that have
has have.
A lot of material things, like alot of that may have come from
the enemy.
He he will elevate you too.
Like when he took Jesus up onthe temple, he was like, Yo,
I'll take you up here and showyou.
He's like, I'll give you allthese kingdoms if you just bow
down to me.
Like he will elevate you indifferent ways where you think

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it's from God, and that's thedeception.
And that goes back todiscernment.
The things that we've beentalking about, it just keeps
popping back up for us toreiterate and the the meaning
behind these things and thetactics that the enemy tries to
do.
And like how you said like itcan feel good because that's all
you know.
We're born sinners, like that'sall we know is feeding our flesh

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and and with pleasure and andand food and different things
that we want in this world andmaterial things, but that's
that's our comfort zone.
But going out in that wildernessis gonna be a different ball
game, and you're gonna see whatyou really made of and see how
strong your spirit is.
But you use that just like Jesusdid when he went out in the
wilderness, he used the word ofGod to defeat the enemy until

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the enemy fled from him.
So being in that word is veryimportant.
I can't I can't stress thatenough.

SPEAKER_00 (41:09):
And I and I definitely agree with that, but
I also would like for thelisteners to know that without
darkness, we would never see thestars, we would never see how
beautiful this world is.
Like that's we need thatdarkness.
I understand it sucks and it'shard, right?
And that darkness grows rapidly.
But when you look at, I alwayslike to use space for one.

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It's just you see how dark itis.
It's so dark.
But all those billions andbillions and billions of stars,
we wouldn't be able to see themand look how far away they are
from us that we can see it.
But without that darkness, wewouldn't see it.
So it's just like the darknesshelps us, but we also help the
darkness.
We help penetrate that darknesswith our light.

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But that once we penetrate thatdarkness with our light, that
darkness isn't gonna like that.
So you're gonna get that.
It's not gonna be fun, it's notgonna be pretty, and it's gonna
be hurtful, it's gonna bepainful.
But that's how you know thatyou're on this unconventional
road.
It's a very, very narrow road,right?

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But it's a road that must betraveled, in my opinion.
Like you, you, you have totravel, you have to travel on
that road if you want to besaved, right?
You it's about our eternal soulsand not just the life that we
live here on earth, right?

SPEAKER_01 (42:31):
What you when you say stepping into that, you you
the Lord is preparing you forspiritual warfare.
That's what it is, and that'swhy you go into the wilderness
first, just like in in in anarmy or or in the navy, you
gotta go through boot camp, theygotta build you and mold you to
becoming that person, thatwarrior for the Lord's kingdom.

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So it's like once you getthrough that part, like that's
when the fighting begins.
Like, you like there's there's Imean, we've talked about it
before, but there's so manyattacks on the daily from the
enemy, you be like, Golly, like,can't you just leave me alone?
Like, like I was having a greatday, and it comes out of
nowhere.
The enemy will use people thatare accessible to the kingdom of

(43:15):
darkness, just like the Lordwill use people that that that
live in the light.
So it's like you can be intraffic anywhere in your dreams.
Like, uh, even if you don'tleave the house, the enemy will
attack you sometime through yourfamily members.
That's another major way thatthat you're gonna have to go to
spiritual battle.
Like, it's gonna be somefighting in there just because

(43:37):
of who you are.
Like, you don't, it doesn't evenhave to be a conversation.
You walking into a room orsomebody seeing you post
something online, there's abattle right there.
They're gonna say somethingcrazy or talk about you, uh, you
They're gonna have somethingnegative to say, and that's when
you have to, okay.
Maybe this is God giving me theopportunity to pray for this

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person.

SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Um it's time for me to put on my my warrior battle,
you know what I'm saying?
Like my my warrior equipment,you know what I'm saying, and
use the the sword, which whichis the word of God, you know
what I'm saying, having on thebreastplate and the belt and the
shoe, you know what I'm saying?
Like you you have to becomeequipped, knowing that it's
gonna be a battle every day.

(44:20):
So, like people have to get onething I've learned is to be in a
routine of reading the word, andeven if even if you can't read
it, or like I'm a driver, solike you can listen to it on
audible.
You can download the Bible appand listen to the word, and you
can get different things, or theHoly Spirit will show you
different things as you listento it, or or just saying a

(44:42):
little prayer, or they havelittle scriptures, daily
scriptures in the Bible app thatyou can use just to read every
day, then it'll go into prayerand different if you don't know
how to pray, you it'll go, it'llteach you how to pray about
different things in your life,and and you just have to be
ready for it at all times.
Even if you like you can go on ashopping spree to the the

(45:03):
cashier have an attitude, it'sjust there's so many ways that
the enemy are trying topenetrate and knock you off your
game, and it's like you justhave to be prepared for it.
But like the more that youaccept Jesus Christ and allow
the Holy Spirit to work intoyour life, your mind, body,
spirit, your soul, and and themore you become like Christ, the
more you can stand against theseenemy forces, and it won't

(45:25):
bother you as much.
Like it won't phase you like itdid like for me for when I was
younger.
When you know you're 1920,you're ready to fight.
Like, okay, like that's timenow.
I don't like people messing withme.
So now it's time to getphysical.
But like nowadays, like as yougrow spiritually, it's like,
okay, this person, a lot ofthese people, they don't, they

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aren't the people, like ifsomebody's mean to you, they
aren't that mean person, butit's a spirit that's working on
them that's being mean to you,treat you to react uh in a
certain type of way, or or aspirit that's trying to, like
you said, bring you back to yourold past ways to where you
whatever you used to do back inthe streets when you was

(46:06):
younger.
So it's like it's differentspirits that or different
spirits that work on thesepeople that the enemy is sending
to you.
It's like, okay, I know I canget them this way, I know I can
bring this ex-girlfriend orex-boyfriend or this old friend
from the neighborhood to try toget them back into whatever you
used to to sin in.
Because a lot of these peoplethat you think are your friends,

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a lot of this is sinship, notfriendship.
Like a lot of y'all used to befriends or are friends because
y'all sin together.
Once you start sinning and startwalking with the Lord, you're
gonna see that your so-calledfriendship isn't as strong
anymore.
So, so you gotta that that goesback to discernment.
You gotta discern like what dome and this person really have
in common?
Like, where what are our strong?

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Are we just do we just go outtogether and drink poison and
get drunk?
Like, or or do we smoketogether, whatever it is, like
this.
What kind of person, what areyou bringing to my life?
Are they bringing the fruits ofthe Holy Spirit?
You have to be able to discernthat.

SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Absolutely, man.
My goodness, I love thatfriendship or sinship, like that
that was strong because it andit grows rapidly, it's so fast,
and we can fall into sinunknowingly because it's sin
that we're practicing.
So, like you said, the momentthat you decide, hey, I don't
want to do this anymore, that'swhen you're gonna start feeling

(47:29):
it.
And but like you said earlier,it's like you're at war, but
you're at war spiritually.
But God is training his secretweapons, right?
It's like we become the snipers,right?
God uses us, right?
And it's just like we're nothingwithout God and his army of
angels.
Like you have to to to want toyou want to conform to that

(47:52):
army, don't conform to thedarkness of this world, conform
to the army of angels with God.
That's what we want to conformto, and it's hard.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 (48:00):
Yeah, it is hard.
Like one thing my pastor said,one thing my pastor said, he
said, people think we're in thislife on a cruise ship when it's
really a battleship, like peopleout here having fun and doing
this and partying and drinking.
It's like we had spiritual war,and that's what it says in the
Bible.
We're not against we're not atwar against flesh and blood, but

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against spirits, like aspiritual realm.

SPEAKER_03 (48:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like like world, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:28):
It's wild out here, and you once you realize that,
and once you start walking withChrist, it it's it's a different
world, like it is.

SPEAKER_00 (48:37):
But it's it's luxurious, it's beautiful.
Like, I don't want anyone to seejust because you're gonna go
through a lot of painful things,but that pain, it becomes a uh
it becomes a part of you.
You know, a lot of us we try,we're ashamed of our pain.
We try to avoid it, we don'twant to talk about it, or we
just assume, oh, you won'tunderstand this, you know.

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But once that pain becomes apart of you, it it makes you who
you are, it builds you, itbuilds whatever has been inside
of you that needed to come out.
That's what sometimes God has usexperience that pain for that
specific reason.
Because at the end of the day,everything that we go through,
as we suffer with him, we reignwith him.

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So everything that we go throughis for the glory of him, right?
It's like we're gonna come outon top, but you just you gotta
get on, you gotta get in theword, right?
You can't be in the you can't bein the will of God without being
in the word of God, and that'swhat it is at the end of the
day.
That's the only way to stay inhis will is to stay in the word.

SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
Hey, that's deep, man.
Yeah, that's that is crazy, andlike you okay.
Okay, go ahead.
One thing about being in theword, like you learn to one
thing.
I've learned is to not like alot of men, we're more logical,

(50:03):
like we like to lean on ourlogic, but like sometimes our
logic can deceive us.
Yeah, like it there are certainthings that we think are
logical.
For for example, being deceivedby the enemy by using your
logic.
If somebody comes and tell you,hey, there's a fire right there,
pour some water on it.

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And you like logically, okay,I'm gonna pour some water on it,
it's gonna go out.
Not knowing it's a grease fire,and that's one of the worst
things you can pour on on thefire is water, you know what I'm
saying?
Because it's grease and it'sgonna burn more.
So it's like you can't lean onyour own understanding, but you
got to lean on on what God istelling you.
Allow him to lead the way.

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And sometimes you got to wait onGod.
We can we can go into patiencetoo.
Like sometimes God's gonna makeyou wait a little bit, He wants
you to be patient so you canknow that it's Him because the
enemy He's gonna give it to youquick, you're gonna get that
quick money, like He'll give youeverything you want real quick.
But God, He still needs to buildyou and mold you into that
person that's gonna sustain Hisblessing and not ruin it or have

(51:09):
it destroyed or let somebodyelse destroy it.
You have to have to build thatperson who He has made you to
become before you can receiveit.
So you have to have patience andnot have to leave your logic out
of it.
Because what God, God, He thingsin the I've I've read things in
the Bible that I've read overmaybe 20 times, and then I

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always get something different.
Like, ah, that's what God meant.
Like, it's it's so crazy to lookat these same words and get a
different understanding.
Like, it is wild.
Like, one thing I've read theother day in the Word, it was a
passage when Jesus He cursed afig tree.

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And I didn't know why he did it.
I read it multiple like multipletimes.
And the the fig tree, I thinkthey were going back to
Jerusalem, and he walked past afig tree and he was hungry.
So and the fig tree didn't haveany fig on it, it just had
leaves, but it looked like ithad figs on it, you know what
I'm saying?

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And he cursed it and said itwon't bear fruit ever again.
And I'm like, why did why didJesus do that?
Like, what was the point ofthat?
And first, the first point is itwas a symbolism of Israel and
the fruits that they did notproduce because they were
religious, but they weren'tsaved.
And sometimes, like people inthis world, like people that's

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at the church, some people canbecome church hurt from people
that seem to be Christian orreligious, but they're not
saved, they're not bearing anyfruit, just like the tree.
So that deception is what Jesusdoesn't like.
He don't like you, he don't likefor you to fake it till you make
it.
Like that's why you curse thetree, is like, yo, you're not
producing no fruit, but you looklike you have fruit because you

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have these leaves, and figtrees, I think it said when I
looked it up, it said that theyproduced the fig, the fruit,
before they to produce theleaves.
So, where was the fruit?
Like, how do you have all theseleaves with no fig?
How do you have all thisreligion and you look like this
holy person wearing cross chainsand you got Jesus tattooed or
whatever it is?
You got Jesus attire, and andyou're you're not producing any

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fruit.
You rude, you nasty to people,you don't have any kindness,
you're not gentle, you're notpeaceful, like you you like
drama, like you know what I'msaying.
You you're perceiving to be ayou're deceiving people that
you're a Christian, and that'swhen you can become.
I don't want to say you canbecome cursed by God, but the
Lord don't like that.
So it's like that that goes backinto you can know people by

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their fruit and not by by bytheir leaves, I guess you can
say, because like it's a lot ofdeception out here.
People will act like they're theholiest people you can you've
ever encountered, where they'renot they're not doing anything
in the Lord's name.
You don't have the Holy Spiritwith you, you don't have any
fruits of the spirit that you'recarrying.

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
And I like that also because just like you know, the
Bible also says, do not fightevil with evil, but fight evil
with good, because our enemies,the ones again, who do us wrong,
who are trying to, you know,make us have a bad day, and who
are out, you know, to harm us,those are the ones who need to
be ministered to.
Those are the ones who need theword of God more than more than

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we do because they're hurtinginside, they're broken.
It's like there's an entity inthem that needs to hear that
word of God.
They they're not gonna like it,right?
They're gonna be very, veryupset when you start.
But then also it what's it'llsave us by preaching them the
word of God or just kind ofwhatever it is, even if you just
throw them a Bible scripture,it's like the enemy will flee,

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right?
The enemy won't like that.
So, regardless, at the end ofthe day, you're gonna help them
because it's gonna penetratethem, right?
It's gonna penetrate thatdarkness, but then it also
bounces back where it's like,hey, now I have this force bill,
like you said, the armor of God.
Now I have this armor of Godaround me.
So when I start preaching theword of God, or I'm just talking
about a scripture or whatever,that if that person does not

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like that and they're out toharm you, guess what?
Now they're gonna flee, they'regonna go and get away from you.
So at the end of the day,exactly.
That's the easiest way.
It's like we we we make it, usas humans, we make the Bible and
walking with God so hard when itdoesn't have to be.
It's like all you gotta do isread it, right?
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
You get hey, a page a day might keep the devil away.
It might keep the devil away.
That's all you gotta do forreal.
Like what you said about thepeople that need like that's
what Jesus did.
He he he ministered to theprostitutes and the and the
homeless people, you know whatI'm saying?
The people that were that neededdeliverance and that that did
have spirits on them, you knowwhat I'm saying?

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Like, like, and that's what oneof the scriptures said.
He was like, You don't, I thinkit was a parable where he said,
You don't take healthy people tosee a doctor, you take the sick
ones, you know what I'm saying?
I'm paraphrasing, but it sayssomething similar to that.
Yeah, so it's like you have tohelp the people in need, and
that's as Christians, that'swhat we're called to do.
I think it's Matthew 18, 20.
I'm not sure, but it said it hecalls us to spread the gospel

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through the nations, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Like it was supposed to spreadthe word of God, and people,
people like you said, they'llget upset with us for talking
about Jesus or whatever, oryou're giving them a scripture.
It's like, bro, this is what I'mcalled to do, and and like
you're getting upset because youfeel that conviction in that in
your heart, and like that'sthat's that's what you're

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supposed to feel.
You're supposed to feel theconviction because people don't
realize it's a good thing.
It shows you that God still hashis hand on you.
Like, if you meet somebody thatdoesn't have any conviction or
doesn't feel conviction and theycan do evil things, that's hey,
you work for the kingdom ofdarkness, right?
You feel good about it, like youGod ain't hey, God, like hey,

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you you whenever you're ready.
I'm not saying he telling younot to come back, but he like,
hey, you got free will, do yourthing.
But if you're feeling thatconviction in your heart, that
that's the Holy Spirit workingon you to help you lean more on
God, you know what I'm saying?
So he's guiding you, but don'tget mad at a Christian to where
they when they're spreading theword and and trying to help you

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out.
We're not looking down on you,we're not talking down on you.
It's just something that we'resupposed to do because we want
you to be saved.
That's what Jesus came here todo.
As disciples, we do what hedoes.
We came here to save souls, andthat's what we're trying to do
is save souls and get everythingback into the kingdom, call
God's children back home tohelp.
Like we just we just lightworkers, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (57:39):
That's it, and just that comes right uh brings me
back around to kind of want toreiterate is when you tell
those, you know, like you said,in a sense shift, you tell them,
hey, yeah, I'm trying to getright with God, or I want to,
you know, be celibate, or I wantto do this, and then they get
mad at you.
That's that's again, that's howyou know it's manifesting in

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them like there it is, and thenwhen they want to try to make
you feel guilty for wanting todo right, it's like, but I want
to do how is me wanting to doright wrong?
That's just making you sense,and they make you feel that way,
and then you start to doubt andstart second-guessing.
You're like, wait a minute, thisis that enemy.
See what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 (58:18):
That's what the enemy wants to manipulate the
things from God, like, andthat's what he does to a lot of
people.
He manipulates people's gifts,like people that it's men out
here that have a certain type ofuh charisma that the enemy has
manipulated it to or pervertedit for them to use it on women

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for sexual things or or to gainwhatever it is, money, but
you're supposed to use that forthe kingdom of God to be able to
to minister to the people, tothe children, to to to God's
people.
Like you, you you're supposed toattract people to the Lord, not
to your bedroom.
Absolutely.
There's so many different giftsthat that are manipulated and

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per perverted by the devil.
It's like, yo, you you reallygotta be careful out here.
But like when you in the word,it's like you said, it's some
kind of not protection becauseyou're still gonna have your
battles, but it's it's a senseof uh victory, I guess you can
say.
Like you, you know, becausethat's what the Lord said, you

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will have troubles in thisworld, but I've already a cop or
what do you say, I alreadydefeated the world, or I already
won that for you.
So it's like we already havevictory when you're following
Christ.
Like He He already did that forus, He already paid the price.
Just like when I said earlier,like you're gonna have to pay
that tab with the enemy.
Like, why wouldn't you wantsomething that was already paid

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for you?
Like Jesus already died for you.
Like, if somebody's gonna giveyou something, a brand new car,
a house, and they'd be like,okay, so somebody paid for this
for you, but you just got a fewrules to follow.
But it's the other side to whereit's like the Enemy is like you
can have it right now.
You can have everything you wantright now.
You can just pay on the backend.
Maybe 30 years later, we'regonna take that and more because

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you're gonna take your soul tothe hell.
Like that's what you don't do.
So it's like, why wouldn't youwant something that Jesus
already paid for?
Like, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
And that brings me back to like when people allow
you to borrow money, knowingthat you don't have it, because
they know if hey, if you borrowthis money from me, I know I own
you, right?
Right because you're gonna spendthe rest of your life trying to
pay it off, and that's what theywant, that's what the enemy
wants, and that's why it's justlike, oh my gosh, it's like

(01:00:37):
going on and on forever aboutthis, but that's why you have to
get in the word of God at theend of the day.
That's the easy that there's theanswer, like you said, he
already paid the price, healready paid for, so why not
stick with what's already paidfor and who already has the
answer?
Boom, right there.
He already has the answer, he'sgonna give you the answer.

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You can't find the answer fromman, you can't find the answer
out here in this world, but youcan definitely find the answer
from him, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
Yeah, man.
It's uh people you gotta tostrengthen your discipline, you
gotta stop compromising.
A lot of people compromise thethings that they are supposed to
do or or say they're gonna do,or or the person that you are
for other people or to receivethings in this world.
And it was an older lady, shewas like 65, 75 years old.

(01:01:29):
I don't know how old she was.
But she said she realized whenshe was, well, now she realized
as she's older that you don'tlose yourself all at once.
You lose, you leak away yourselfevery compromise.
Every time you compromise withyourself, you leak away one
compromise at a time, andeventually you don't know who

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you are anymore.
So it's like you gotta stop.
And that's that's what the enemywants.
He wants to continue to drag youinto sin because that's it's a
process.
Like people don't realize thatthere's a hierarchy in the in
the kingdom of darkness, andlike it starts with the smaller
spirits, like anxiety,depression, fear, things like

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that, things that can penetrateyou, and then it goes into the
deeper demons that are that arethat have names like like Moloch
and Baal and and what's theother one?
The one I can't think of what isit?
It just goes into differentdemons that that you are

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allowing to enter your life whenyou have that door open.
And once when you start walkingwith Christ and and ask God for
forgiveness and repentance andand living your life in a change
of heart to be reborn again,that's when you start closing
the doors of sin and thosespirits can't penetrate your

(01:02:57):
life.
So people have to understandlike once you once you get to a
place to where it's just a lotof things happening in your
life, back to back, back to it'salways something.
That's what's saying that peoplesay it's always something, but
you've opened this door to allowpeople in.
But like once you walk in withChrist, those doors begin to
close, and you you you feel thefruits of the spirit.

(01:03:17):
Like, I want people tounderstand, like, your life will
ultimately get better once youstart closing the doors of sin.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:25):
Absolutely, because there's also that free will.
A lot of times, whenever youknow it's it's so universal that
when something bad is happeningin our lives, we just say, Ah,
not today, Satan, right?
We always say that, but we don'ttake accountability for
ourselves.
We're the one that's heeded tothe evil, so that's why evil I
have let it in, right?

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It's because I'm out heresinning.
So therefore, I have to takethat accountability, I have to
take that responsibility for myown actions.
But again, you can do it withGod.
God knows, okay, you God, I laidbefore you, this is what I did.
Here's my repentance, this iswhat I did.
Right, guide me, God, show mehow to get out of this, give me

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the more determined, show me theway, right?
That's why the cross he died ona cross that faces north, south,
east, and west, strategicallytelling us that he is the way.
That's the only way, he is theonly way that he's gonna give
you that direction, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:23):
Right, that's hey, that's real, man.
Yeah, that's a lot, Robin.
I just I just want people what Iwant them to get from this is to
at least give effort into beingcurious about Jesus Christ, the

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life that he lived, and gettingcloser to God.
Yeah, and when you becomecurious, start to read the word
and start to ask questions.
You can pray about it, you canpray and ask God, like, God,
why, why, why was Adam and Evebanished from the garden?
Why would why did this happen?
Why did the serpent deceive herand tell her that she can eat

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from the tree?
Just different things, and theHoly Spirit will show you those
things, like He will give youthe knowledge, and that's how
you get a better understandingof what the Lord is trying to do
with this world and in yourlife.
Like it's I just want people toget to a place to where they

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they start to strengthen theirspirit and start fasting and
praying and reading.
Just get into that habit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:36):
And to just kind of take into consideration, because
I know I hear a lot of peoplesay, How can I believe in
something that I cannot see?
Right.
But when you really seriouslysit and you think about when you
get ready to go fly, you want toyou want to go on vacation
somewhere, you don't see thepilot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:54):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:56):
You don't see the conductor, right?
You don't when you get ready,it's like you don't see you
don't when you're on a cruiseship, you don't always see the
captain, right?
But you're having all this faithand trust that they're gonna get
you to your next destination.
So why can you not have thatsame faith and trust and
exercise that same trust and thecreator when you can't see him?

(01:06:16):
Right, right, and he's thealmighty, he's always the ruler
over your entire life, thecreator of the universe.
That's what it's about.
It's like it's not about whatyou can see, it's about the
faith and knowing, right?
And believing and just taking itto that next level of okay, God,
I can't see you.
I don't, you know what I mean?

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But I do know that you're here.
That that's that's it.
That's right.
That's all it is.
Get in the word, and that'sthat's all I want this world to
kind of come to is I feel thatthat's our job.
That's what we're supposed to doas his chosen ones, is to shed
light on that and to bringpeople to that and understand

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that this is amazing.
This is a great feeling.
It doesn't mean here they gowith this Bible, this Jesus.
It's like, no, it's reallysomething that you should listen
to and and and learn frombecause, like you said, it's the
fruit of it, right?
It's gonna fill you up.
It's gonna say, okay, now I'minterested.
I really kind of want to knowmore about this.
And when they do want to knowmore about it, Damien, tell us

(01:07:19):
how they can reach you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:20):
Oh, they can reach me.
Okay, before I do that, when yousaid fill you up, Jesus said man
should not live by bread alone,but by every word that comes out
of the mouth of God.
Like somebody, let's talk abouttemptation.
That's what I want to talk aboutbecause Jesus was being tempted

(01:07:41):
at that time.
Yeah, uh temptation cannotmanifest on somebody that's
fully satisfied.
Like when you're satisfied withyour relationship with Jesus
Christ and you bear the fruitsof the spirit and you have faith
and everything, you don't havethat void of anxiety or fear or
whatever it is, and Jesus hashas taken all that for you,
you're you're fully satisfiedwith your life, with your

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career, with your kids, the lovethat you have, the gifts that
God has given you.
And that's when temptationcannot penetrate as easily.
So it's like when you're feelingtempted about things, or or if
you're on that walk, that roadto redemption, and you're
feeling tempted about certainthings, it goes back to getting
into the word and and andreading the word of God.

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So it's like the temptationdoesn't have enough room to come
in.
Like we'll I'll forget whatverse it is, but it says when it
talks about deliverance.
When a when an uh unclean spiritor demon leaves one place or
leaves a body or leaves aperson, it goes around roaming
the earth.
And then when it comes back, hishome is swept clean and it

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brings seven more demons withhim.
But like when you fill thatspace or that vessel, that
temple with the Holy Spirit,that that devil or that demon
cannot enter back in.
So that's why you gotta standthe word.
Like when you stop sinning andyou stop walking into temptation
or or things that are temptingyou, you have to fill it with

(01:09:05):
the Holy Spirit and the word ofGod to continue to stay strong.
And that's that's that's one wayyou can defeat it because it's
tough.
And uh, I don't know, when yousaid something about being full,
that's what came to mind is tospeak on that.
Like when you fill with the HolySpirit or fill with the word of
God, like you you satisfiedevery day, like and like that
goes back to that daily breadthat you talk about.

(01:09:26):
It's like, yo, like you need itdaily, make it a routine, make
it a habit.
Like I'm begging you.
But people, you can reach out tome at my Instagram handle is at
D L A P3, and you can find me atDamien Lapsley on Facebook,
D-A-M-I-N.
Last name lapsley L-A-P-S-L-E-Y.
But yeah, I had a goodconversation with you.

(01:09:49):
I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me, andthank you for being a good
friend.
We keep each other spirituallystrong and uplifted at weak
times.
Um, I enjoyed it.
I'm coming back soon.
We ain't gonna wait another.
I think it was it's wouldn'thave been like two years or
three years.
We ain't gonna wait another two,three years.
We're just gonna get it done.
Like if we feel something in ourspirit to speak on, and like, or

(01:10:12):
if the audience has questions inthe comments and want us to
speak more about it, or or tellour story a little bit more, or
get to know us more intimately.
Because I I didn't grow up in ain a church, and um, I'm a newer
Christian.
I would say I'm a babe in Christand I'm still learning, but you
can also always minister topeople to get them to your level

(01:10:34):
that you're drawing spiritually,and I want to bring people with
me because it's something that Ihaven't experienced, and it's it
was rough at first, but it'sbeen the greatest thing that
I've encountered.
I feel whole.
Like sometimes we look forthings to fill a void, and you
fill it with money or differentjobs, or starting a business,
making a bunch of money, buyinghomes and cars, and you still

(01:10:55):
feel empty.
But like once you have arelationship with Christ, like
you feel like you you youfulfilled your soul, your
spirit, like you feel good, andand you start to walk your
purpose.
Like he'll put you, he'll setyou on the path that you're
supposed to walk in this life,and it's fulfilling.
So, yeah, that that's part of mymy why is why because I wanted

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to find my purpose in this life.
Like, I'm like, God, what do youwant me to do?
I've done all these things, I'veaccomplished everything I wanted
to accomplish, and he helped meget there.
So it's like, I don't know, Igot to a point where it's like
now I want to I want to work forthe kingdom.
Like I had to.
My spirit was just like all ofthese things haven't fulfilled
me.
So I was led to the Lord.

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Like it was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:41):
And Damien, I will say that I do want to have you
back on because what I just nowthought about is one the when
you said about the hunger.
I I think we need to come backand talk about speak about the
bottomless pit, right?
Like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:57):
When you're never satisfied, it is just like how
the enemy, the darkness, itfeeds on the innocent, right?
Because it just like it cantaste the innocence.
It's something that they'llnever have, just like
forgiveness.
That's why it's for us, right?
Because you're supposed you'resupposed to forgive your enemies
because that's the one thingthat they'll never be able to
receive.
The darkness will never be ableto receive that.
But right, I also want to talkabout our path that we were on

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together, thinking that thetarot cards, the new morality,
oh god, how that had used.
Oh God.
It had us thinking that we wereon the path, really listening to
God, and we really weren'tright.
But we're saved, like God knewthat we were gonna make that
mistake, right?
He knew that we were gonnaarrive.
We have arrived, and that's allit's about is once you finally

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you're arriving, as long as youarrive there, it's okay that
you're on the wrong path.
But that's why you come out andyou look for these spiritual
guides, right?
You don't worship us, you don'tcome up in every single morning
looking for us, but right we canhelp guide you there, right?
And and tell you about thewrongs that we've done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:02):
Exactly.
Like, because a lot of a lot ofpeople they want to give thanks
and praise to to the universeand different things, like God
created this stuff.
You're you're you're praisingthe creation and not the
creator, like so.
It's like a lot of people,that's how the enemy deceives
you.
It's like, okay, yeah, he hewill allow you to praise or
worship anything but the Lord.

(01:13:25):
But that's his that's his game,like his end game is to bring
you to him.
It's like I didn't bless youwith this, I done told you this,
I done led you down this path.
Now you got to pay your debt.
So it's like we we and we wealmost went there, but I feel
like God knew our hearts and heknew that we was looking for
him, like we just didn't knowwhere to go.
Like we all were babies and likewe like little baby spirits

(01:13:47):
looking for the Lord, but helike, okay, I'll let you roam
around and try to find me, butI'm gonna I'm gonna come get you
when you're ready.
And yeah, uh, yeah, wedefinitely got to talk about
that because that's uh becausethe devil knows your life.
I'm sorry to keep talking, buthe knows your life and he will
guide you like he is God, likehe knows the things that you

(01:14:09):
want or things that's happening,and and you can be deceived so
easily because it's like, andthat's one thing now I thought
is like listening to likelistening to like tarot people
online, it's like this gotta befrom God because they talk about
angels, and it's like, okay,like this gotta be God talking
through these angels becausethey know what's happening in my
life, they know I'm about tomove, they know I'm about to try

(01:14:31):
to apply to this job, but theenemy knows exactly because you
saying it, you speaking it, andhe knows he he was once in
heaven, so he knows the path andthe things that God has for you.
He just wants to direct you inhis direction, you know what I'm
saying?
He don't want you, he doesn'twant you to use your gifts for
the kingdom.
Like it's man, hey, yeah, wedefinitely gotta talk about that

(01:14:52):
because that's I'm about tostart talking about it now
because I don't want people likelike you know how people say I
did that, so you didn't have to.
I want to tell people, like, Ialready went that way.
You ain't gotta go that way,lead them stones alone, leave a
numerology alone, like it allmakes sense, but it's not for
the kingdom of God, right?
Absolutely.

(01:15:13):
Like, don't don't don't bedistracted, like you said,
distracted by what God has foryou.
Like, hey, I'm ready to, I'mready to start talking about
that.
Like, that's yo, because that,oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:26):
Part two is coming because I remember I saw a meme
where it said it showed picturesof like it said it was like,
what did it say?
What was I can't rememberexactly what it was, but it
showed a picture of likecrystals, and they were like,
This is really gonna save youfrom the spiritual warfare, or
is God it showed like a pictureof Jesus.

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So it was just that was powerfulbecause it makes you think
outside of, oh my God, I had noidea.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:53):
I was praising and worshiping the this, thinking
that this was red.
Like you said, what did you say?
I wrote it down.
Praising the creation instead ofthe creator.
Like that's where I kept gettinglost, and I was completely lost
in that for what, three years?
And then we're finally startingto come out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:12):
So the enemy will tell you here, he'll talk to you
like, well, God created thestones, God created the numbers,
the numerology, he created thehoroscopes.
Like, yeah, God did create theuniverse, so he must.
This is how he talks to me.
Like, you think that because theenemy has told you that.
Oh, so he's a little crafty, alittle sneaky little, but when

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you run into the truth, God willJesus will reveal it to you.
Like, he'll show you, like, I amthe way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:39):
He he gonna got and that's another thing, right?
There is when you start tojustify your wrongdoings, that's
how you know that's the enemy.
Never try to justify, like,well, it's not that bad because
right.
No, there is no because there'sno room for possibility.
So if you feel like, well, it'spossible that he might forget,

(01:17:00):
no, that that's how you knowdon't do it.
Just don't open that door, don'tgo down that rabbit hole because
it's never ending, and it's justgonna lead you to the darker and
darker, darker.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:10):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:11):
Yeah, that's deep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:13):
But part two is coming, Damien.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:15):
Right, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, we got to.
Yeah, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:19):
Whenever you're all right, but everything in order
for you guys to reach Damien, Iwill definitely go ahead and put
that in the show notes.
But other than that, everyoneagain, I'm Robin Black.
This is It's All About HealingPodcast.
Thank you again, Damien Lapsley,and everyone's stay blessed.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:34):
Thank you.
All right.

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