September 15, 2025 • 41 mins
From healing people-pleasing tendencies to building a faith-centered business empire, Jasmine Hawks takes us on her remarkable journey of transformation and growth in this candid conversation.
As a mother of four who spent 14 years as a stay-at-home mom, Jasmine shares how she navigated the challenging transition into entrepreneurship while keeping her family at the center. "I have to spend time with my kids, I have to spend time with my husband because I am doing this for them," she explains, highlighting the importance of creating boundaries that protect what matters most.
When faced with overwhelming business challenges, Jasmine reveals her grounding techniques: "I go to my husband because he keeps me grounded... I'm constantly praying and asking God to help to give me wisdom." This faith-centered approach has become the foundation of her business philosophy, leading her to create the Becoming Her Magazine and the Fearless Flock social club—spaces where faith isn't just acknowledged but celebrated.
Particularly insightful is Jasmine's rejection of hustle culture: "God does not want us to deplete ourselves... Yes, push forward to your dreams, don't give up, but don't overwork yourself, because then it changes your viewpoint of the dream." Her perspective challenges popular notions that success requires sacrifice of health and relationships, offering instead a sustainable approach to achievement.
For anyone struggling with people-pleasing tendencies, battling perfectionism, or trying to align business goals with personal values, Jasmine's story provides both validation and practical wisdom. Her journey reminds us that we don't have to compromise who we are to achieve success—in fact, embracing our authentic selves might be the very key to unlocking our unique path forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That was an aha moment for me that I had to heal
(00:02):
that people pleasing mindsetquickly because people will take
advantage of that and I havehad that happen.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
You don't want to miss out on these transparent
stories and discussions thatreveal highs, lows, aha moments
and nuggets the just ways ofgoing through the human
experience so that we can beable to bet on ourselves, live
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out our dreams, make our goalshappen and know that within the
experience, like God got us.
Hey Jasmine, thanks for joiningus today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, I'm so excited to have you.
Like, we we're really justgonna have a conversation and
we're gonna just jump right in.
So the first thing I want toask you is who is Jasmine?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Ooh, that's a layered question.
Who am I?
I am, well, mom of four.
I am a devoted daughter.
I love my mom, aw, and mygrandma, and I am a serial
entrepreneur.
That is where my heart lies.
Business is where my heart lies.
I went to school to get mymaster's in business
(02:05):
administration.
So, like all business, that isthat's me, that's my core.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I love that.
What led you to pursue businessadministration as your degree?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I just wanted to learn the ins and outs of
business.
But then, to be transparent,they don't really teach you how
to run a business in school.
They teach you how to be anemployee.
Yeah, so that was a littledisheartening.
You know, I cried a lot oftears about that because I'm
like, well, I'm already halfwayinto my master's, you know, and
I'm finding this out, so I mightas well finish.
(02:38):
But you know, it was kind oflike dang, like I felt like I
got lied to.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's definitely a lot of systemsthat are being taught as it
relates to being able tounderstand like the components
of accounting, of economics, butnot necessarily like putting it
together.
So I like to say that like theyseparate the different pieces
and then we have to still putthe puzzle together, and I'm
(03:02):
always a proponent of school andeducation, but then I also feel
like, man, these are thingsthat should be taught in high
school and middle school, theseare not things we should have to
pay for, and that you justthink about how much more
evolved the society will be interms of everyone out here in
the world if we got taught thesethings and then, as a decision
in furthering our education, wegot taught the things to
(03:23):
actually like glue the puzzletogether.
Right, it would just be so muchbetter.
What would you say were some ofyour aha moments on the journey
as it relates to going afteryour goals, putting the pieces
of the puzzle together and kindof reflecting on who Jazz was as
a child and what you thoughtlife would be as you got older?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I guess I'm currently going through a lot of those
aha moments, cause growing upyounger, jasmine was a people
pleaser, right, and so being inbusiness, you cannot be a people
pleaser because, you'll havepeople walking all over you left
and right and then you're like,oh my God, what's going on?
And so that was an aha momentfor me, that I had to heal that
(04:09):
people-pleasing mindset quickly,because people will take
advantage of that, and I havehad that happen.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think that for faith-centered people and
heart-centered people, we growup thinking that being a good
person means that you're makingother people happy and then, as
you get older, you recognize youhave to serve yourself first
and you have to put someboundaries in place Like what
are some boundaries that you'vehad to put in place to be able
to make sure that, in the heartof who you are, you're
(04:41):
protecting that, so that you canbe able to pour into your
children, your husband, your mom, your grandmother and the
people that mean so much to you.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I can really agree to that.
A lot of my stuff was you know,is this right?
Is this what I'm supposed to bedoing?
In God's name?
Yeah, right, because you know,having those boundaries does
make people really upset andthen it makes you kind of feel
bad in a sense.
But that's that, peoplepleasing.
(05:10):
It makes you kind of feel badbecause you're like, well, you
know, is this what God iscalling me to do?
So that was a lot ofquestioning that I was doing.
It's not allowing people tocontrol me.
You know, I have a habit of,just you know, falling back a
little bit and letting peopletake the lead.
You know, I, I have a habit of,just you know, falling back a
little bit, um, and lettingpeople take the lead.
You know, especially when I'mI'm, I'm still in that learning
stage and it can really get outof hand.
(05:33):
So I have, I had to create thatboundary, um.
And then the other thing is isyou know me being away from my
family too long?
You know, um, my kids are usedto me being around them 24-7.
I was a stay-at-home mom for alot of years, you know, like
over 14 years I was astay-at-home mom, and so, you
(05:53):
know, being away from my kidsfor long periods of time and I'm
constantly in and out the house, you know I have to, you know,
set some boundaries.
Like I have to spend time withmy kids, I have to spend time
with my husband because I amdoing this for them, and so
taking them out of the equation,not spending time with them,
not giving them the attentionthat they need, is kind of
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counterproductive.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I love that so much.
I think recently I watchedsomething that maybe it was the
Rock I hope I'm quoting theright person was the rock, I
hope I'm quoting the rightperson, but he kind of talked
about how early on in his careerhe would separate his family
from his career to where hewasn't bringing them with him
when he went on different things.
And y'all correct me if I'mwrong and it's the wrong person,
but it was one of these starsthat did not bring their
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families with them.
And then, as they got a divorceand they had to rebuild their
(07:02):
life, their new wife andchildren they go everywhere with
them because they recognizethat sure that they're in
communication of what's going on, but also you're making time
for them in terms of beingintentional, you're able to
continue I heard you say at thebeginning and counting is able
to be that because there's thatcommunication and that's
remembering that all of it isfor the life that I've already
(07:23):
built and we're just trying toget higher on the journey and in
order to do that, we got tomake sure we prioritize that too
.
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I agree with that For sure.
Like my husband and I, we we'realways talking about you know
what I'm going through, orwhat's going on in the business
and stuff like that he doesn'tlike being out in the limelight.
You know he's a homebody.
He like he prefers to be athome.
He's a gamer, so that's whereyou know he wants to be and so.
But he's still, you know,active, just on the back end,
(07:52):
you know, and so, and that thatI do love, you know, is still
have that support system.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I love that so much.
I want to ask you, like, whenyou start to feel overwhelmed by
your goals or the weight ofexpectations, how do you change
your approach and stay alignedto your true purpose?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Oh, that's another good question.
Well, I know, when I getoverwhelmed, I go to my husband
because he keeps me grounded.
Because he keeps me grounded,you know, I'm constantly praying
and asking God to help to giveme wisdom.
You know, because I, you know,it's one thing to you know, to
(08:35):
be in business, you know, andespecially when like now that
I'm 34, you know, I'm reallygetting into the scope of
business.
So this is really like a firsttime.
I've had plenty of otherbusinesses but I've never been
like in this, this realm, before, right, and so I'm, I'm, I'm
definitely overwhelmed, I'mdefinitely, um, I'm definitely
in the learning season.
Um, god is definitely keepingme.
(08:57):
Uh, yeah, so my husband, godand my husband is what keeps me,
um, from being too overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I love that because and I appreciate your
transparency on that because Ifeel like the reality is every
stage of our level up, we'regoing to feel overwhelmed, yeah,
and we're going to need peoplethat ground us, whether it be
your husband, your friends, yourfamily members or a community
of people that you decide tomake sure that is a part of your
life, because that's going tohappen.
(09:25):
The only way you don't feel thatoverwhelm is when you're in
your comfort zone, when you'redoing the things that you've
already done and you're used to,and you're kind of just hiding
out.
Then you don't necessarilyexperience all that turbulence.
Life's still life, but it's adifferent level of life when
you're out of your comfort zone.
So I appreciate yourtransparency as it relates to
yeah, this does happen and whenit does happen, this is what I
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do and it's important to havethat.
This is what I do, because manytimes, the reason why people
stop and give up is because theydon't have the.
This is what I do.
They don't have the.
I go to God, I go to my husband, I make sure I'm around the
people that matter.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And that's what kind of makes us stuck.
So I love that for you.
Yeah, because me quitting or megiving up is not an option.
You know I have spent so muchtime like taking away from my
family that like I got to makethis work, you know, because
they're depending on me to makethis work, and so you know, I do
feel myself sometimes goinginto that child state and I'll
go to my husband and I'll justcuddle, Like I don't want to
talk sometimes, just cuddle sothat I can just, you know,
(10:29):
regain myself again, Cause it'shard Business.
Having a business is hard andanybody who says that is not is
lying.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah for sure, absolutely.
I think there's heavyentrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship,entrepreneurship and
entrepreneurship is a beautifulthing from the perspective of
it's truly a faith walk.
It's truly like your trust ingod and knowing whatever he's
putting your spirit to do, youactualize it.
He got you and he's going tointroduce you to all of the
right people.
That is going to help to propelyou for where you need to be.
(10:59):
But within that, you have totrust yourself and there are
going to be some people thatcome along to test you and
you're going to have to decideGod, did you send them to me to
like deter me, build a muscle?
Understand that there's morepeople like this as I go up on
the journey, like what am Isupposed to do with this person
or this thing or this situation?
(11:20):
Because it happens from time totime.
And as soon as you think thatyou've like built that muscle in
that area, it's like thesemovies and these games that we
play, like you done killed thismonster to your point of your
husband like in gaming and thenyou get to the next level and
he's bigger and you're like,yeah, boss level.
I thought we figured out how todo this thing, so I love that
(11:41):
you shared that and I'm glad wehad the reference to gaming,
because I feel like lifesometimes is a lot like those
Mario games, those Sonic, thoseSuper Nintendos that we used to
play, and it's heavy on that.
When it comes toentrepreneurship, like you think
I don't max out this game nowwe done, and the only time you
get done is when you're done,and it's like we have to
(12:01):
understand that we have to buildthat muscle because it's just a
part of life.
So I love that you even havethat reference Like it's like
that gaming muscle and thatmakes sense in terms of him
being able to say yeah, babe,just come cuddle up with me, I
get it.
Listen, we done, did that inthe game.
This is a game of life.
So I love that.
Oh, awesome.
Let's see.
When nothing seems to beprogressing, how do you remind
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yourself that you're stillgrowing?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Let's see, you're like that's a good one, it's
another good one.
At least you guys know that.
This is straight coming fromthe noggin.
This is not scripted.
Yeah, uh, scripted, yeah, um, Ican, I can tell because of of
(12:53):
just how things are going.
I, I, at this current moment, I,I, I'm still going like there's
no, there hasn't been no, nobreaks.
Honestly, like I'll be askingGod like can I, can't, can I get
a break?
Um, I'm just constantly growingand again, I think that's
because I did come from me beinga stay-at-home mom.
(13:14):
No-transcript, to betransparent, you know my husband
is a provider, right, you knowso, and we got married early on
and we started having kids earlyand so, and he took that, that
provider role.
So I, just I stayed home.
You know it wasn't arequirement for me to have a job
(13:35):
, for me to have a business.
You know, only requirement wasto take care of the house and to
take care of the kids.
You know it was me that wantedto to do something with my life
go to school, um, you know, havea business, stuff like that and
so I, I feel like I'm, I'mthere is no, not growing because
I came from being a stay athome, mom.
(13:56):
It came from just being at mymom's house, so I'm constantly
growing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, what made you change in terms of your mindset?
And I feel like this questionis important because there are a
lot of stay-at-home moms thatat some point recognize like man
, I got dreams, I have goals, Ihave something in me that is
saying that I should be doingsomething else as well as taking
care of the family.
Like, where did that come fromin that feeling that I want to
go to school to get my master'sin business administration?
(14:24):
I want to be able to build abusiness?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Um, well, the school part came from, um, my
grandmother, right, um, mygrandma, she, she, she wanted to
get, uh, her master's, um, andso so you know, I saw my grandma
, she, you know, she was older,you know, and so, like she's
still going to school, she wasin nursing and you know, most of
my family is in nursing.
I'm like I don't want to donursing yeah, I'm heavy on that
(14:51):
like everybody's in nursing.
I'm gonna do the completeopposite.
Um, but I saw my grandma, youknow she worked till.
She was like, like, correct meif I'm wrong, grandma, but she
was like in her 70s, like 60s,70s, still working in the
medical field, you know, stillgoing to school, and so you know
that drove me to have thatmindset and you know she stopped
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before she could get hermaster's because it became too
much, and so I said that I'mgoing to finish.
You know what?
What she couldn't.
So I went to the same collegethat she went to and I got my
master's, um, you know, cause Iwanted to make her, make her
proud.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's so beautiful.
That's so beautiful in theessence of your grandma, showing
that it doesn't matter how oldyou get.
Yeah, you can actualize any ofyour goals at any point, like
you don't have to stop becauseyou reached to a certain age.
You can pause in any instanceand you could pick it back up
and keep going, and I love that.
You're like grandma I got you,I got this torch.
(15:50):
We go into the same place.
We're going to make it happen.
I'm going to be the finisher inwhat you started.
So I love that for you and her.
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We did have other college graduates but you know
for my, for my family.
I was like I wanted to to showthem that we can do more.
You know, um, and as far as youknow, with me, have having the
mindset of having a business,I've always wanted to help my
husband, um, provide for ourfamily, our family, and so I
(16:21):
couldn't be out of the housebecause of our kids.
Our kids were small Even still,I'm still trying to figure out
how to even have a job, and mykids need me so heavily Now.
They're in sports, they're inall of this, and we don't have
the help as some people may have, and so that responsibility
does fall on me, and so the onlything that I could think of was
(16:43):
having my own business.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
It's like okay, I feel that Ihave it in me to be able to do
this.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I have to look at the cards that I was dealt and with
the life that I'm living andwhat's priority.
And then how do I createsomething that's created around
the life that I already have,that I want to keep it moving,
and then I'm going to create abusiness.
I really love that and want tosit into that because I feel
like as a career coach.
Many times I would tell peoplethat instead of picking careers
that just align with your degree, you have to decide on what
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kind of life you want and thenpick the career that aligns with
that life.
And that's exactly what you did.
Many times, people would pickcareers that say I'm going to be
a nurse, right, and in orderfor you to make the money that
you want to make in nursing,sometimes you're picking up two
and three shifts as opposed tojust having a regular nine to
five.
You end up having like 36 hoursat one hospital and 36 hours at
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another hospital, and thenthey're able to make bank.
But like, how much time are youtaking away from your actual
life?
Yes, it looks good on theoutside, in the essence, that
you are making all this money,but the reality is like you're
burnt out, you're away from yourfamily, you're away from your
kids, you're away from yourfriends and your family members,
and you definitely can't starta business if you wanted to
start a business.
So I love that you looked atthe life that you had and you
(18:00):
looked at what you wanted andyou created something that
aligned with the life that youwere building.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, yeah, I did, you know, with like, with that
instance.
You know, when I was going tocollege I was still trying to
figure out my, my life andeverything like that, and I
wanted to do radiology.
You know I was reallyinterested.
I know I said I didn't want todo the medical field, but you
know I did think about it, youknow.
(18:26):
But when it came to that internpart, when I was doing the
research, when it came to thatintern part, I had to be away
from eight to five.
Got it, you know, and how couldI do that?
So, yeah, I to your point.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, I had to find something that aligned with my
family and and myresponsibilities yeah, I love
that and I think in the essenceof your grandma, like if ever
came back up, that is somethingyou still wanted to do, like you
could do it whenever you knowwhat I mean the kids are out the
house, I'm going back and I'mgoing to do radiology if that's
what I feel like doing in thatseason.
So I definitely wanted to bringthat back because I love that.
(19:00):
I love that energy of itdoesn't matter when I could
still do it.
That's beautiful to have thatlike your DNA of.
Yeah, we don't stop justbecause we're at a certain age.
We make it happen and we keepit going.
Yes, I want to see.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Let's see what's one turning point in your life when
you realized that the only thingholding you back was you.
I played it small for a lot oftimes, just out of you know,
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respect, you know for the otherperson, and that was I felt.
I feel like that was beingtaken advantage of and almost
like a form of weakness, right.
And so now I have theopportunity to push forward past
that.
I have the opportunity to pushforward past that and to heal
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parts of me that I didn't reallyknow that I needed to, or that
I do now need to heal because itwas very traumatic.
And so now, yeah, I'm currentlyin that season, got it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Okay, you're like, I'm in it.
I don't know if I want to talktoo much about this season
because I'm still walkingthrough that water.
I'm in it I don't know if.
I want to talk too much aboutthis season because I'm still
walking through that water.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair and I think thatyou deserve to give yourself
that grace that you recognizeLike I'm in that season and I'm
I know I'm going to come out ofit, but I also want to give
myself grace and time to getthrough that season before I
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really communicate about that.
So I really appreciate that.
Something that I typically askeveryone on the podcast is like
what do you feel is yoursuperpower?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
What is my superpower ?
Um, wow, that's another greatquestion.
I never thought about that one.
Um cause, my superpower used tobe being a mom, you know.
And so now that I'm evolvinginto a woman in business, that's
a great question.
(21:06):
I never really sat down andthought about that Before I got
into business.
My superpower was being a mom.
You know, having four kids isnot a small feat, that's a lot.
And I used to always say, oh,you know, I'm keeping my kids.
As long as I keep my kids alive, you know I'm doing something
you know, because it's likegrowing a plant, you know.
(21:26):
Yeah, oh child, I can't keep oneplant alive, right in my life
right.
I have a whole garden and thatthing just will not garden.
So that was my superpower.
But now, being a woman inbusiness, um, I would say it
would be my go-getter spirit.
Um, I'm just not going to giveup until God says all right,
(21:48):
girl, you need to calm down this, this, this pack this up.
Um, he put something in me, um,and I know that he has
greatness for me.
It was not just to be a mom,you know.
So I'm still in that season.
Me and God are still trying tofigure that.
Well, I'm still trying tofigure out what God got for me.
(22:09):
I'm like can you give me somecliff notes, something?
So I know that I'm headed downthe right path, you know, but me
just staying on the path thatGod has me on, so far he hasn't
told me I'm on the wrong path.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, I love that so much.
I would say, like, what is someadvice that you would give to,
like your 17-year-old self?
Like that's something that Ioften like to ask my guests, and
the reason why I ask thatquestion is because many times
we feel like we're not as far aswe are on the journey, because
it feels like we should befurther.
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But many times, when we're ableto look back and think about
what our lives has evolved into,we're able to then recognize,
like, actually I've actuallycome very far on the journey, so
what's some advice you wouldgive your 17-year-old self?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
so what's some advice you would give your 17 year old
self?
Well, I feel like my 17 yearold self is still kind of here
because, like you know that itfeels like it was just yesterday
that I was 17, right, um?
And during that time in my lifeI was somewhat sad.
I was trying to and that's justteenagers, right, we're like
emos.
There wasn't a lot going on inmy life, but it was just like I
(23:26):
didn't know who I was, where Iwas going, a lot of people were
playing with me and it's like,like I'm such a kind person you
know, and it's just like dang,like why are people treating me
like this if I'm kind, yeah, um,and so what I would tell my 17
year old self is just ignore allof that.
(23:47):
You cannot make people happy.
Doesn't matter if you play itsmall, it doesn't matter if you
do everything that they want, itdoesn't matter if you, it just
doesn't matter.
You know like you are doing agreat job.
You know, it's not about whateverybody else wants, it's about
what God wants.
You know, at 17, I didn't havea great relationship with God.
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I think part of it was I wasupset because I didn't feel like
I was being heard, you know.
And so now that I hear God, youknow it's beautiful.
You know, I'm where I sawmyself at 17.
I'm starting to see like, wow,I'm there, you know.
(24:33):
And so now it's like I can'tbegin to imagine where I'm going
to be in a few years from now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I love that.
I'm proud of you for that,definitely proud of you for that
Awesome, and I hope that you'reproud of you for that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, Um, I'm okay.
You know, I, I, I have, I haveconversations.
You know, all the time I amproud of myself because, again,
being a stay-at-home mom, beingwhere I am now, I am proud of
myself.
Do I feel like I could dobetter?
Of course, I'm a slickperfectionist, you know, but
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yeah, I am very proud of myselfand my kids.
You know, they tell me all thetime how they are proud of me
and my husband's proud of me.
My mom, you know, they tell meall the time how they are proud
of me and my husband's proud ofme.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
My mom, you know, she's just like girl, I can't
believe you are where you areand so so, yeah, I'm doing
something, yeah, you're doingsomething, and we have to
recognize that right, because Ithink so many times we're so
bent whole on the vision he gaveus and when we're focused on
the vision he gave us, mosttimes he gives you like the
middle, the end.
You get different snippets asyou go through the journey and
(25:38):
we have to recognize like itstill takes time to get there.
And so I like to ask thequestion about growth as it
relates to your 70-year-old selfversus now, so that we could be
reminded of how far we arecoming from.
And then, separately, it alsoputs us in a perspective of
clearly we're headed somewhere.
Great, because if we've beenable to do this, then what else
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are we going to be able to do,as long as we continue to be
obedient and trust and continueto build that muscle in the
relationship with him.
So I love that for you.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So we have 10 minutes left andI want to make sure that we
spend time on trivia, but I alsowant to give you the
opportunity.
If there's anything that youwanted to talk about that we
didn't talk about, that you canshare with younger versions of
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yourself, as it relates topeople who want to go after
their goals, whether it's thatthey want to go after a degree
or start a business.
What would you share with them?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I would say, always a cliche never give up.
That is not an option, um,especially if you have dreams
and goals, um, and you're tryingto get somewhere, wherever that
may be, giving up is not anoption for you.
It's just not, um.
But that doesn't mean to to to,to be a workhorse, you know.
To be a worker bee, um, that'snot God, yeah, you know, um,
(26:57):
there's no peace in that.
I've seen so many times where,um, I've met people that are
worker bees, workhorses, andthey're drained and they are
tired and they're like I don'tunderstand why I'm so tired.
That's not of God.
God does not want us, to us todeplete ourself like that.
And so, yes, push forward toyour dreams, don't give up, but
(27:21):
don't overwork yourself, becausethen it changes your viewpoint
of the dream.
And yeah, I think that's prettymuch it.
Just don't overwork yourself.
You know, I see all these likeadvice, people saying you know,
you know, you keep working,don't sleep, you got to sleep.
(27:43):
God talks about going to sleeplike you got to sleep.
If you're not sleeping, thenwhat are you doing?
It's okay to take a, you know,take a nap, yeah, and get back
on it.
You know, it's not a race.
Yeah, yeah, take a nap and getback on it.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's not a race.
Yeah, sleep hygiene is such animportant thing, so I love that
you touch on that.
You have to make sure that youget rest in order to be able to
do the things that you need todo.
And I think it's imperativethat we really sit in the fact
that you're not speaking ofliving a soft life.
You're just recognizing thatwhen you're doing the work of
God, it doesn't come with thissense of pressure from the
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perspective of oh my goodness,it's so hard to do this Like
he's going to bring you theright people and the right
things.
So if it feels in the flesh toodifficult, then maybe you're
not on the right path.
I always like to say that in thespirit I've said it too many
times on this podcast in thespirit it feels so easy.
(28:39):
But in the real world, withpeople looking at you from like
a flesh perspective, it may lookhard, but as long as it's ease
in the spirit, you know you'reon the right track.
And I think a lot of timespeople try to force things to
happen.
It's like they say that peopleput a whatever screw into a
whatever hole.
I can't even think what thesaying is, but we can't force
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things to happen that are notnecessarily aligned to what God
has for us.
So, absolutely to your point.
If you find yourself having tostay up until three in the
morning to work on whatever thething is and you're not getting
any sleep, you have to reassessand think to yourself what am I
doing wrong?
Do I need help?
Am I working in an area that isnot my area of zone of genius,
(29:21):
and do I need to hire someone tohelp me?
Try to get a volunteer to helpme or just ask for help, Because
many times that's a part of theproblem in terms of why people
are working so hard becausethey're not asking for help and
they're not being honest withthemselves.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, so hard because they're not asking for help and
they're not being honest withthemselves.
Yeah, and then also it's afaith posture too, you know,
like trusting in God andtrusting that he is going to
provide everything that you need.
Yeah, we don't ask.
Yeah, just like you said, we,we I know that you were talking
about like asking for help.
You know, in anything, but yeah, yeah.
We, we don't ask no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's a great segue into the fearless flock.
Why did you create that socialclub?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Ooh, that was God's idea.
I wanted to create a safe place, you know, for people to come
and be socialized.
You know, for God, for the mosthigh, and not have to worry
about there being.
You know hard liquor, you knowbeing.
You know music, the secularmusic, you know just having a
(30:47):
good time with God, you know.
And still, you know God beingin the room.
We're talking about God, we'reall aligned, we're creating
community.
You know, with me, I, you knowwith me having the magazine.
You know I was going into thesecular realms and stuff like
that and I felt so out of placebecause it's like, especially
(31:08):
early in my walk, I'm like Idon't think I'm supposed to be
here, you know, but with themagazine, like I'm like, okay, I
have to be, you know, but Ijust you know, it just.
It just wasn't a safe place thatI felt being a child of God,
you know, and so I wanted tocreate something, you know, for
God's people.
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I think that that makes sense in the sense that,
like you talked about earlier,like why is this happening to me
?
I'm a kind person and so beingable to create a space for those
heart center people to be ableto come and, you know, heavy on
listening to that gospel music,right, because when we think
we're collabing on an eventthat's coming up it's called
Karaoke, pain and Sip, it'sgoing to be in Decatur.
(31:50):
So get your ticket, listen, getyour ticket, because it's going
to be an amazing event wherewe're going to be able to sing
and listen to our gospel music.
Paint, sip, some mimosas andjust mocktails and whatever.
It is no hard liquor.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No hard liquor Wine at most.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
That's it.
Yes, some water, if you needthat.
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Go have that water there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, we're going to sip water and mind our business
.
I'm trying to think of that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, but a safespace to your point to really
have heartfelt conversation andreally enjoy the things that
really keep us faith-centeredand keep us grounded to your
point of regrounding.
I think it's so importantbecause people ask me, like
Hazel, how are you able to dothese things?
And in doing these things, I'mturning on my gospel music
(32:34):
before I leave out the house onmy way in the car.
That's what grounds me isgospel music, my walk with God
and having those conversations,as well as having the right
people within my circle.
So this is the chance to havethat safe space, to be able to
show up, just really like letyour shoulders back and have a
great time.
So I love that you're buildingthis community.
(32:54):
I'm glad that you included meon the iteration of the first
pieces of it and I just can'twait to see everything grow,
because I think when we followwhat we know is in our heart to
do in terms of what he's told us, it always turns out so much
more beautiful than we couldhave ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, because he be showing up and showing out.
We just got to let him.
Yeah, but when God doessomething, it's so beautiful and
it's so amazing.
And then you sit back and nowyou're in tears.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You know he always has you in tears.
So much bigger.
It's funny.
Years ago they would have thislike little meme where the guy's
like you thinking smallsomething.
It's probably like real secular, you thinking real small.
And then it's like no, I thinkbig, and I think the world
teaches you.
Sometimes when you're ago-getter and you're like making
(33:41):
it happen, and then when youstart working for a guy and
really standing up his stuff,you're like man, I think small.
Yeah, I thought I thought big,yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So come think big with us, right yeah, exactly
like his, his vision for us isis somewhere our, our mind
probably can't even even get toyou know and that's why he
doesn't give us the whole scope.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, he give us pieces yeah, because that
pressure would just be like upto here like that how I'm
supposed to do this right, likefind somebody else to do it,
because there's no way.
And to your point, like when hegives you those pieces, you're
like, oh okay, I could do this,I could run this ball.
And then, when you're able tosee where he takes you, you're
like I see why you didn't giveme the whole play and I see why
you chose me for this and I'mglad you chose me for this.
(34:27):
So I think it's that heavy onI'm chosen and us making the
decision to just go, even whenwe can't see it clearly, even
when we're in it, the fact thatyou're showing up today in it
but you're going, and I thinkthat's so important and I think
that's such a great message foreveryone.
That's in a season.
They're going through it, butthey're still showing up for
their future self.
And so, hevion, keep showing upfor your future self.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, yes, that's currently the season that I'm in
.
Yeah, where can the listenersfind you online?
You can find me at Jazzyunderscore Hawks on all
platforms.
And then the magazine atBecoming Her Mag.
The magazine is Becoming HerMagazine.
And the social club, thefaith-based social club, the
Fearless Flock.
And you can find that at theFearless Flock on all platforms.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I love that, I love that, I love that.
So make sure you follow jazz.
I also want to circle back tothe magazine, because I think it
was important to mention thatyou kind of talked about early
on in terms of like, alignment,and then I know that just after
being in the magazine that it'svery heavy on the person has to
be face centered in order to befeatured on a magazine, centered
(35:34):
in order to be featured on amagazine.
So I think that's important,that you're able to create
something and then it evolvesinto something that makes more
sense as it relates to alignment, because now you feel better in
it, because you're like thesepeople are definitely of faith
centered, they understand theimportance of God and many of
them are heavy on.
I couldn't do this if it wasn'tfor God.
So I want to circle back tothat.
Like when did you make adecision, like with the magazine
(35:56):
, that people needed to makesure that if they're on the
magazine, they're serving God?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And we created the magazine right, it was a
magazine for all women right, itstill is for all women, but as
far as race goes, but it wasjust for all women.
There was no parameters, no,nothing.
And then when I got, you know,fully into my walk with God, I
was like, you know, I can't be apart of a magazine that is not
(36:24):
faith-centered, because we weregetting you know people that was
in spirituality, that wasgetting you know that had
crystals, that was witchcraft,all of that stuff, and I'm like
I can't be around that because Iwas once in that.
You know, I'm trying toseparate myself from that and
that's not of God, right.
And so, you know, I was like Ican't do it if it's not going to
(36:48):
be faith based.
And so it became faith based.
It feels great for it to befully faith-based and I do not
have to worry about, you know,things being snuck in underneath
and you know all of the backnoise.
I don't have to worry aboutthat because now God is fully in
the forefront.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I love that going through the journey of you know
the flesh and the spirit fromthe perspective of like you gave
me this idea and I'm workingwith someone in terms of making
this magazine happen.
And then, as we're growingtogether as people, she's
growing, I'm growing, we'rerecognizing the things that make
sense to her, make sense to me.
I have a skill set, she has askill set, a skill set, and
(37:35):
within that we have to createsome boundaries in order to be
able to actualize our goals, tobring the right people on and to
be able to be at a place nowwhere it's very clear that the
people that have to be a part ofthe magazine have to be able to
share the gospel that God hasdone in their life, because that
is fully aligned with thegospel that God has created in
my life and what I want to makesure that I'm putting at the
forefront.
So I love that you're at thatplace and I think the reality is
(37:55):
, of course, to your point ofnot like speaking on much more.
We're all going to go throughdifferent tests within our
season.
I think, as soon as we like passour tests in terms of
recognizing like okay, girl, nowyou know that everybody has to
be face centered to be on thismagazine.
It's like, let me take youthrough another test real quick,
because I think the reality iswe are so ready to be like the
(38:21):
main person on the stage as itrelates to actualizing the goal
we have a whole sold out show,all the things, all these
different references that I'mgiving.
But the reality is we have togo through the test so that,
once we get up there, we knowwhat we need to do, we can
actually hold the ball in theway that we need it to.
I don't do sports, but I'malways referencing the ball.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I know the terminology, but in sport no.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, exactly Right, and so with that, we just have
to be ready to be able to runthe ball.
So those tests are going tohappen.
So I can't wait to see all ofthe growth and the things that
take place in everything thatyou're doing, and I thank you so
much for joining us on thepodcast today.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Thank you for having me.
I was nervous, you know,because of you know, of the
season that I'm in, but I'mgrateful to be here.
You have some great questionsand so, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Absolutely Listen.
Y'all, make sure y'all gofollow Jazz.
No-transcript.
That was an aha moment for me that I had to heal
(00:02):
that people pleasing mindsetquickly because people will take
advantage of that and I havehad that happen.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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(01:09):
out our dreams, make our goalshappen and know that within the
experience, like God got us.
Hey Jasmine, thanks for joiningus today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, I'm so excited to have you.
Like, we we're really justgonna have a conversation and
we're gonna just jump right in.
So the first thing I want toask you is who is Jasmine?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Ooh, that's a layered question.
Who am I?
I am, well, mom of four.
I am a devoted daughter.
I love my mom, aw, and mygrandma, and I am a serial
entrepreneur.
That is where my heart lies.
Business is where my heart lies.
I went to school to get mymaster's in business
(02:05):
administration.
So, like all business, that isthat's me, that's my core.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I love that.
What led you to pursue businessadministration as your degree?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I just wanted to learn the ins and outs of
business.
But then, to be transparent,they don't really teach you how
to run a business in school.
They teach you how to be anemployee.
Yeah, so that was a littledisheartening.
You know, I cried a lot oftears about that because I'm
like, well, I'm already halfwayinto my master's, you know, and
I'm finding this out, so I mightas well finish.
(02:38):
But you know, it was kind oflike dang, like I felt like I
got lied to.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's definitely a lot of systemsthat are being taught as it
relates to being able tounderstand like the components
of accounting, of economics, butnot necessarily like putting it
together.
So I like to say that like theyseparate the different pieces
and then we have to still putthe puzzle together, and I'm
(03:02):
always a proponent of school andeducation, but then I also feel
like, man, these are thingsthat should be taught in high
school and middle school, theseare not things we should have to
pay for, and that you justthink about how much more
evolved the society will be interms of everyone out here in
the world if we got taught thesethings and then, as a decision
in furthering our education, wegot taught the things to
(03:23):
actually like glue the puzzletogether.
Right, it would just be so muchbetter.
What would you say were some ofyour aha moments on the journey
as it relates to going afteryour goals, putting the pieces
of the puzzle together and kindof reflecting on who Jazz was as
a child and what you thoughtlife would be as you got older?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I guess I'm currently going through a lot of those
aha moments, cause growing upyounger, jasmine was a people
pleaser, right, and so being inbusiness, you cannot be a people
pleaser because, you'll havepeople walking all over you left
and right and then you're like,oh my God, what's going on?
And so that was an aha momentfor me, that I had to heal that
(04:09):
people-pleasing mindset quickly,because people will take
advantage of that, and I havehad that happen.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think that for faith-centered people and
heart-centered people, we growup thinking that being a good
person means that you're makingother people happy and then, as
you get older, you recognize youhave to serve yourself first
and you have to put someboundaries in place Like what
are some boundaries that you'vehad to put in place to be able
to make sure that, in the heartof who you are, you're
(04:41):
protecting that, so that you canbe able to pour into your
children, your husband, your mom, your grandmother and the
people that mean so much to you.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I can really agree to that.
A lot of my stuff was you know,is this right?
Is this what I'm supposed to bedoing?
In God's name?
Yeah, right, because you know,having those boundaries does
make people really upset andthen it makes you kind of feel
bad in a sense.
But that's that, peoplepleasing.
(05:10):
It makes you kind of feel badbecause you're like, well, you
know, is this what God iscalling me to do?
So that was a lot ofquestioning that I was doing.
It's not allowing people tocontrol me.
You know, I have a habit of,just you know, falling back a
little bit and letting peopletake the lead.
You know, I, I have a habit of,just you know, falling back a
little bit, um, and lettingpeople take the lead.
You know, especially when I'mI'm, I'm still in that learning
stage and it can really get outof hand.
(05:33):
So I have, I had to create thatboundary, um.
And then the other thing is isyou know me being away from my
family too long?
You know, um, my kids are usedto me being around them 24-7.
I was a stay-at-home mom for alot of years, you know, like
over 14 years I was astay-at-home mom, and so, you
(05:53):
know, being away from my kidsfor long periods of time and I'm
constantly in and out the house, you know I have to, you know,
set some boundaries.
Like I have to spend time withmy kids, I have to spend time
with my husband because I amdoing this for them, and so
taking them out of the equation,not spending time with them,
not giving them the attentionthat they need, is kind of
(06:14):
counterproductive.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I love that so much.
I think recently I watchedsomething that maybe it was the
Rock I hope I'm quoting theright person was the rock, I
hope I'm quoting the rightperson, but he kind of talked
about how early on in his careerhe would separate his family
from his career to where hewasn't bringing them with him
when he went on different things.
And y'all correct me if I'mwrong and it's the wrong person,
but it was one of these starsthat did not bring their
(06:39):
families with them.
And then, as they got a divorceand they had to rebuild their
(07:02):
life, their new wife andchildren they go everywhere with
them because they recognizethat sure that they're in
communication of what's going on, but also you're making time
for them in terms of beingintentional, you're able to
continue I heard you say at thebeginning and counting is able
to be that because there's thatcommunication and that's
remembering that all of it isfor the life that I've already
(07:23):
built and we're just trying toget higher on the journey and in
order to do that, we got tomake sure we prioritize that too
.
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I agree with that For sure.
Like my husband and I, we we'realways talking about you know
what I'm going through, orwhat's going on in the business
and stuff like that he doesn'tlike being out in the limelight.
You know he's a homebody.
He like he prefers to be athome.
He's a gamer, so that's whereyou know he wants to be and so.
But he's still, you know,active, just on the back end,
(07:52):
you know, and so, and that thatI do love, you know, is still
have that support system.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I love that so much.
I want to ask you, like, whenyou start to feel overwhelmed by
your goals or the weight ofexpectations, how do you change
your approach and stay alignedto your true purpose?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Oh, that's another good question.
Well, I know, when I getoverwhelmed, I go to my husband
because he keeps me grounded.
Because he keeps me grounded,you know, I'm constantly praying
and asking God to help to giveme wisdom.
You know, because I, you know,it's one thing to you know, to
(08:35):
be in business, you know, andespecially when like now that
I'm 34, you know, I'm reallygetting into the scope of
business.
So this is really like a firsttime.
I've had plenty of otherbusinesses but I've never been
like in this, this realm, before, right, and so I'm, I'm, I'm
definitely overwhelmed, I'mdefinitely, um, I'm definitely
in the learning season.
Um, god is definitely keepingme.
(08:57):
Uh, yeah, so my husband, godand my husband is what keeps me,
um, from being too overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I love that because and I appreciate your
transparency on that because Ifeel like the reality is every
stage of our level up, we'regoing to feel overwhelmed, yeah,
and we're going to need peoplethat ground us, whether it be
your husband, your friends, yourfamily members or a community
of people that you decide tomake sure that is a part of your
life, because that's going tohappen.
(09:25):
The only way you don't feel thatoverwhelm is when you're in
your comfort zone, when you'redoing the things that you've
already done and you're used to,and you're kind of just hiding
out.
Then you don't necessarilyexperience all that turbulence.
Life's still life, but it's adifferent level of life when
you're out of your comfort zone.
So I appreciate yourtransparency as it relates to
yeah, this does happen and whenit does happen, this is what I
(09:47):
do and it's important to havethat.
This is what I do, because manytimes, the reason why people
stop and give up is because theydon't have the.
This is what I do.
They don't have the.
I go to God, I go to my husband, I make sure I'm around the
people that matter.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And that's what kind of makes us stuck.
So I love that for you.
Yeah, because me quitting or megiving up is not an option.
You know I have spent so muchtime like taking away from my
family that like I got to makethis work, you know, because
they're depending on me to makethis work, and so you know, I do
feel myself sometimes goinginto that child state and I'll
go to my husband and I'll justcuddle, Like I don't want to
talk sometimes, just cuddle sothat I can just, you know,
(10:29):
regain myself again, Cause it'shard Business.
Having a business is hard andanybody who says that is not is
lying.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah for sure, absolutely.
I think there's heavyentrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship,entrepreneurship and
entrepreneurship is a beautifulthing from the perspective of
it's truly a faith walk.
It's truly like your trust ingod and knowing whatever he's
putting your spirit to do, youactualize it.
He got you and he's going tointroduce you to all of the
right people.
That is going to help to propelyou for where you need to be.
(10:59):
But within that, you have totrust yourself and there are
going to be some people thatcome along to test you and
you're going to have to decideGod, did you send them to me to
like deter me, build a muscle?
Understand that there's morepeople like this as I go up on
the journey, like what am Isupposed to do with this person
or this thing or this situation?
(11:20):
Because it happens from time totime.
And as soon as you think thatyou've like built that muscle in
that area, it's like thesemovies and these games that we
play, like you done killed thismonster to your point of your
husband like in gaming and thenyou get to the next level and
he's bigger and you're like,yeah, boss level.
I thought we figured out how todo this thing, so I love that
(11:41):
you shared that and I'm glad wehad the reference to gaming,
because I feel like lifesometimes is a lot like those
Mario games, those Sonic, thoseSuper Nintendos that we used to
play, and it's heavy on that.
When it comes toentrepreneurship, like you think
I don't max out this game nowwe done, and the only time you
get done is when you're done,and it's like we have to
(12:01):
understand that we have to buildthat muscle because it's just a
part of life.
So I love that you even havethat reference Like it's like
that gaming muscle and thatmakes sense in terms of him
being able to say yeah, babe,just come cuddle up with me, I
get it.
Listen, we done, did that inthe game.
This is a game of life.
So I love that.
Oh, awesome.
Let's see.
When nothing seems to beprogressing, how do you remind
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yourself that you're stillgrowing?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Let's see, you're like that's a good one, it's
another good one.
At least you guys know that.
This is straight coming fromthe noggin.
This is not scripted.
Yeah, uh, scripted, yeah, um, Ican, I can tell because of of
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just how things are going.
I, I, at this current moment, I,I, I'm still going like there's
no, there hasn't been no, nobreaks.
Honestly, like I'll be askingGod like can I, can't, can I get
a break?
Um, I'm just constantly growingand again, I think that's
because I did come from me beinga stay-at-home mom.
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No-transcript, to betransparent, you know my husband
is a provider, right, you knowso, and we got married early on
and we started having kids earlyand so, and he took that, that
provider role.
So I, just I stayed home.
You know it wasn't arequirement for me to have a job
(13:35):
, for me to have a business.
You know, only requirement wasto take care of the house and to
take care of the kids.
You know it was me that wantedto to do something with my life
go to school, um, you know, havea business, stuff like that and
so I, I feel like I'm, I'mthere is no, not growing because
I came from being a stay athome, mom.
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It came from just being at mymom's house, so I'm constantly
growing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, what made you change in terms of your mindset?
And I feel like this questionis important because there are a
lot of stay-at-home moms thatat some point recognize like man
, I got dreams, I have goals, Ihave something in me that is
saying that I should be doingsomething else as well as taking
care of the family.
Like, where did that come fromin that feeling that I want to
go to school to get my master'sin business administration?
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I want to be able to build abusiness?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Um, well, the school part came from, um, my
grandmother, right, um, mygrandma, she, she, she wanted to
get, uh, her master's, um, andso so you know, I saw my grandma
, she, you know, she was older,you know, and so, like she's
still going to school, she wasin nursing and you know, most of
my family is in nursing.
I'm like I don't want to donursing yeah, I'm heavy on that
(14:51):
like everybody's in nursing.
I'm gonna do the completeopposite.
Um, but I saw my grandma, youknow she worked till.
She was like, like, correct meif I'm wrong, grandma, but she
was like in her 70s, like 60s,70s, still working in the
medical field, you know, stillgoing to school, and so you know
that drove me to have thatmindset and you know she stopped
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before she could get hermaster's because it became too
much, and so I said that I'mgoing to finish.
You know what?
What she couldn't.
So I went to the same collegethat she went to and I got my
master's, um, you know, cause Iwanted to make her, make her
proud.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's so beautiful.
That's so beautiful in theessence of your grandma, showing
that it doesn't matter how oldyou get.
Yeah, you can actualize any ofyour goals at any point, like
you don't have to stop becauseyou reached to a certain age.
You can pause in any instanceand you could pick it back up
and keep going, and I love that.
You're like grandma I got you,I got this torch.
(15:50):
We go into the same place.
We're going to make it happen.
I'm going to be the finisher inwhat you started.
So I love that for you and her.
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We did have other college graduates but you know
for my, for my family.
I was like I wanted to to showthem that we can do more.
You know, um, and as far as youknow, with me, have having the
mindset of having a business,I've always wanted to help my
husband, um, provide for ourfamily, our family, and so I
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couldn't be out of the housebecause of our kids.
Our kids were small Even still,I'm still trying to figure out
how to even have a job, and mykids need me so heavily Now.
They're in sports, they're inall of this, and we don't have
the help as some people may have, and so that responsibility
does fall on me, and so the onlything that I could think of was
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having my own business.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
It's like okay, I feel that Ihave it in me to be able to do
this.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I have to look at the cards that I was dealt and with
the life that I'm living andwhat's priority.
And then how do I createsomething that's created around
the life that I already have,that I want to keep it moving,
and then I'm going to create abusiness.
I really love that and want tosit into that because I feel
like as a career coach.
Many times I would tell peoplethat instead of picking careers
that just align with your degree, you have to decide on what
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kind of life you want and thenpick the career that aligns with
that life.
And that's exactly what you did.
Many times, people would pickcareers that say I'm going to be
a nurse, right, and in orderfor you to make the money that
you want to make in nursing,sometimes you're picking up two
and three shifts as opposed tojust having a regular nine to
five.
You end up having like 36 hoursat one hospital and 36 hours at
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another hospital, and thenthey're able to make bank.
But like, how much time are youtaking away from your actual
life?
Yes, it looks good on theoutside, in the essence, that
you are making all this money,but the reality is like you're
burnt out, you're away from yourfamily, you're away from your
kids, you're away from yourfriends and your family members,
and you definitely can't starta business if you wanted to
start a business.
So I love that you looked atthe life that you had and you
(18:00):
looked at what you wanted andyou created something that
aligned with the life that youwere building.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, yeah, I did, you know, with like, with that
instance.
You know, when I was going tocollege I was still trying to
figure out my, my life andeverything like that, and I
wanted to do radiology.
You know I was reallyinterested.
I know I said I didn't want todo the medical field, but you
know I did think about it, youknow.
(18:26):
But when it came to that internpart, when I was doing the
research, when it came to thatintern part, I had to be away
from eight to five.
Got it, you know, and how couldI do that?
So, yeah, I to your point.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, I had to find something that aligned with my
family and and myresponsibilities yeah, I love
that and I think in the essenceof your grandma, like if ever
came back up, that is somethingyou still wanted to do, like you
could do it whenever you knowwhat I mean the kids are out the
house, I'm going back and I'mgoing to do radiology if that's
what I feel like doing in thatseason.
So I definitely wanted to bringthat back because I love that.
(19:00):
I love that energy of itdoesn't matter when I could
still do it.
That's beautiful to have thatlike your DNA of.
Yeah, we don't stop justbecause we're at a certain age.
We make it happen and we keepit going.
Yes, I want to see.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Let's see what's one turning point in your life when
you realized that the only thingholding you back was you.
I played it small for a lot oftimes, just out of you know,
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respect, you know for the otherperson, and that was I felt.
I feel like that was beingtaken advantage of and almost
like a form of weakness, right.
And so now I have theopportunity to push forward past
that.
I have the opportunity to pushforward past that and to heal
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parts of me that I didn't reallyknow that I needed to, or that
I do now need to heal because itwas very traumatic.
And so now, yeah, I'm currentlyin that season, got it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Okay, you're like, I'm in it.
I don't know if I want to talktoo much about this season
because I'm still walkingthrough that water.
I'm in it I don't know if.
I want to talk too much aboutthis season because I'm still
walking through that water.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair and I think thatyou deserve to give yourself
that grace that you recognizeLike I'm in that season and I'm
I know I'm going to come out ofit, but I also want to give
myself grace and time to getthrough that season before I
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really communicate about that.
So I really appreciate that.
Something that I typically askeveryone on the podcast is like
what do you feel is yoursuperpower?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
What is my superpower ?
Um, wow, that's another greatquestion.
I never thought about that one.
Um cause, my superpower used tobe being a mom, you know.
And so now that I'm evolvinginto a woman in business, that's
a great question.
(21:06):
I never really sat down andthought about that Before I got
into business.
My superpower was being a mom.
You know, having four kids isnot a small feat, that's a lot.
And I used to always say, oh,you know, I'm keeping my kids.
As long as I keep my kids alive, you know I'm doing something
you know, because it's likegrowing a plant, you know.
(21:26):
Yeah, oh child, I can't keep oneplant alive, right in my life
right.
I have a whole garden and thatthing just will not garden.
So that was my superpower.
But now, being a woman inbusiness, um, I would say it
would be my go-getter spirit.
Um, I'm just not going to giveup until God says all right,
(21:48):
girl, you need to calm down this, this, this pack this up.
Um, he put something in me, um,and I know that he has
greatness for me.
It was not just to be a mom,you know.
So I'm still in that season.
Me and God are still trying tofigure that.
Well, I'm still trying tofigure out what God got for me.
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I'm like can you give me somecliff notes, something?
So I know that I'm headed downthe right path, you know, but me
just staying on the path thatGod has me on, so far he hasn't
told me I'm on the wrong path.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, I love that so much.
I would say, like, what is someadvice that you would give to,
like your 17-year-old self?
Like that's something that Ioften like to ask my guests, and
the reason why I ask thatquestion is because many times
we feel like we're not as far aswe are on the journey, because
it feels like we should befurther.
(22:44):
But many times, when we're ableto look back and think about
what our lives has evolved into,we're able to then recognize,
like, actually I've actuallycome very far on the journey, so
what's some advice you wouldgive your 17-year-old self?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
so what's some advice you would give your 17 year old
self?
Well, I feel like my 17 yearold self is still kind of here
because, like you know that itfeels like it was just yesterday
that I was 17, right, um?
And during that time in my lifeI was somewhat sad.
I was trying to and that's justteenagers, right, we're like
emos.
There wasn't a lot going on inmy life, but it was just like I
(23:26):
didn't know who I was, where Iwas going, a lot of people were
playing with me and it's like,like I'm such a kind person you
know, and it's just like dang,like why are people treating me
like this if I'm kind, yeah, um,and so what I would tell my 17
year old self is just ignore allof that.
(23:47):
You cannot make people happy.
Doesn't matter if you play itsmall, it doesn't matter if you
do everything that they want, itdoesn't matter if you, it just
doesn't matter.
You know like you are doing agreat job.
You know, it's not about whateverybody else wants, it's about
what God wants.
You know, at 17, I didn't havea great relationship with God.
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I think part of it was I wasupset because I didn't feel like
I was being heard, you know.
And so now that I hear God, youknow it's beautiful.
You know, I'm where I sawmyself at 17.
I'm starting to see like, wow,I'm there, you know.
(24:33):
And so now it's like I can'tbegin to imagine where I'm going
to be in a few years from now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I love that.
I'm proud of you for that,definitely proud of you for that
Awesome, and I hope that you'reproud of you for that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, Um, I'm okay.
You know, I, I, I have, I haveconversations.
You know, all the time I amproud of myself because, again,
being a stay-at-home mom, beingwhere I am now, I am proud of
myself.
Do I feel like I could dobetter?
Of course, I'm a slickperfectionist, you know, but
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yeah, I am very proud of myselfand my kids.
You know, they tell me all thetime how they are proud of me
and my husband's proud of me.
My mom, you know, they tell meall the time how they are proud
of me and my husband's proud ofme.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
My mom, you know, she's just like girl, I can't
believe you are where you areand so so, yeah, I'm doing
something, yeah, you're doingsomething, and we have to
recognize that right, because Ithink so many times we're so
bent whole on the vision he gaveus and when we're focused on
the vision he gave us, mosttimes he gives you like the
middle, the end.
You get different snippets asyou go through the journey and
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we have to recognize like itstill takes time to get there.
And so I like to ask thequestion about growth as it
relates to your 70-year-old selfversus now, so that we could be
reminded of how far we arecoming from.
And then, separately, it alsoputs us in a perspective of
clearly we're headed somewhere.
Great, because if we've beenable to do this, then what else
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are we going to be able to do,as long as we continue to be
obedient and trust and continueto build that muscle in the
relationship with him.
So I love that for you.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So we have 10 minutes left andI want to make sure that we
spend time on trivia, but I alsowant to give you the
opportunity.
If there's anything that youwanted to talk about that we
didn't talk about, that you canshare with younger versions of
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yourself, as it relates topeople who want to go after
their goals, whether it's thatthey want to go after a degree
or start a business.
What would you share with them?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I would say, always a cliche never give up.
That is not an option, um,especially if you have dreams
and goals, um, and you're tryingto get somewhere, wherever that
may be, giving up is not anoption for you.
It's just not, um.
But that doesn't mean to to to,to be a workhorse, you know.
To be a worker bee, um, that'snot God, yeah, you know, um,
(26:57):
there's no peace in that.
I've seen so many times where,um, I've met people that are
worker bees, workhorses, andthey're drained and they are
tired and they're like I don'tunderstand why I'm so tired.
That's not of God.
God does not want us, to us todeplete ourself like that.
And so, yes, push forward toyour dreams, don't give up, but
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don't overwork yourself, becausethen it changes your viewpoint
of the dream.
And yeah, I think that's prettymuch it.
Just don't overwork yourself.
You know, I see all these likeadvice, people saying you know,
you know, you keep working,don't sleep, you got to sleep.
(27:43):
God talks about going to sleeplike you got to sleep.
If you're not sleeping, thenwhat are you doing?
It's okay to take a, you know,take a nap, yeah, and get back
on it.
You know, it's not a race.
Yeah, yeah, take a nap and getback on it.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's not a race.
Yeah, sleep hygiene is such animportant thing, so I love that
you touch on that.
You have to make sure that youget rest in order to be able to
do the things that you need todo.
And I think it's imperativethat we really sit in the fact
that you're not speaking ofliving a soft life.
You're just recognizing thatwhen you're doing the work of
God, it doesn't come with thissense of pressure from the
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perspective of oh my goodness,it's so hard to do this Like
he's going to bring you theright people and the right
things.
So if it feels in the flesh toodifficult, then maybe you're
not on the right path.
I always like to say that in thespirit I've said it too many
times on this podcast in thespirit it feels so easy.
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But in the real world, withpeople looking at you from like
a flesh perspective, it may lookhard, but as long as it's ease
in the spirit, you know you'reon the right track.
And I think a lot of timespeople try to force things to
happen.
It's like they say that peopleput a whatever screw into a
whatever hole.
I can't even think what thesaying is, but we can't force
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things to happen that are notnecessarily aligned to what God
has for us.
So, absolutely to your point.
If you find yourself having tostay up until three in the
morning to work on whatever thething is and you're not getting
any sleep, you have to reassessand think to yourself what am I
doing wrong?
Do I need help?
Am I working in an area that isnot my area of zone of genius,
(29:21):
and do I need to hire someone tohelp me?
Try to get a volunteer to helpme or just ask for help, Because
many times that's a part of theproblem in terms of why people
are working so hard becausethey're not asking for help and
they're not being honest withthemselves.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, so hard because they're not asking for help and
they're not being honest withthemselves.
Yeah, and then also it's afaith posture too, you know,
like trusting in God andtrusting that he is going to
provide everything that you need.
Yeah, we don't ask.
Yeah, just like you said, we,we I know that you were talking
about like asking for help.
You know, in anything, but yeah, yeah.
We, we don't ask no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's a great segue into the fearless flock.
Why did you create that socialclub?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Ooh, that was God's idea.
I wanted to create a safe place, you know, for people to come
and be socialized.
You know, for God, for the mosthigh, and not have to worry
about there being.
You know hard liquor, you knowbeing.
You know music, the secularmusic, you know just having a
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good time with God, you know.
And still, you know God beingin the room.
We're talking about God, we'reall aligned, we're creating
community.
You know, with me, I, you knowwith me having the magazine.
You know I was going into thesecular realms and stuff like
that and I felt so out of placebecause it's like, especially
(31:08):
early in my walk, I'm like Idon't think I'm supposed to be
here, you know, but with themagazine, like I'm like, okay, I
have to be, you know, but Ijust you know, it just.
It just wasn't a safe place thatI felt being a child of God,
you know, and so I wanted tocreate something, you know, for
God's people.
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I think that that makes sense in the sense that,
like you talked about earlier,like why is this happening to me
?
I'm a kind person and so beingable to create a space for those
heart center people to be ableto come and, you know, heavy on
listening to that gospel music,right, because when we think
we're collabing on an eventthat's coming up it's called
Karaoke, pain and Sip, it'sgoing to be in Decatur.
(31:50):
So get your ticket, listen, getyour ticket, because it's going
to be an amazing event wherewe're going to be able to sing
and listen to our gospel music.
Paint, sip, some mimosas andjust mocktails and whatever.
It is no hard liquor.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No hard liquor Wine at most.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
That's it.
Yes, some water, if you needthat.
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Go have that water there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, we're going to sip water and mind our business
.
I'm trying to think of that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, but a safespace to your point to really
have heartfelt conversation andreally enjoy the things that
really keep us faith-centeredand keep us grounded to your
point of regrounding.
I think it's so importantbecause people ask me, like
Hazel, how are you able to dothese things?
And in doing these things, I'mturning on my gospel music
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before I leave out the house onmy way in the car.
That's what grounds me isgospel music, my walk with God
and having those conversations,as well as having the right
people within my circle.
So this is the chance to havethat safe space, to be able to
show up, just really like letyour shoulders back and have a
great time.
So I love that you're buildingthis community.
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I'm glad that you included meon the iteration of the first
pieces of it and I just can'twait to see everything grow,
because I think when we followwhat we know is in our heart to
do in terms of what he's told us, it always turns out so much
more beautiful than we couldhave ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, because he be showing up and showing out.
We just got to let him.
Yeah, but when God doessomething, it's so beautiful and
it's so amazing.
And then you sit back and nowyou're in tears.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You know he always has you in tears.
So much bigger.
It's funny.
Years ago they would have thislike little meme where the guy's
like you thinking smallsomething.
It's probably like real secular, you thinking real small.
And then it's like no, I thinkbig, and I think the world
teaches you.
Sometimes when you're ago-getter and you're like making
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it happen, and then when youstart working for a guy and
really standing up his stuff,you're like man, I think small.
Yeah, I thought I thought big,yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So come think big with us, right yeah, exactly
like his, his vision for us isis somewhere our, our mind
probably can't even even get toyou know and that's why he
doesn't give us the whole scope.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, he give us pieces yeah, because that
pressure would just be like upto here like that how I'm
supposed to do this right, likefind somebody else to do it,
because there's no way.
And to your point, like when hegives you those pieces, you're
like, oh okay, I could do this,I could run this ball.
And then, when you're able tosee where he takes you, you're
like I see why you didn't giveme the whole play and I see why
you chose me for this and I'mglad you chose me for this.
(34:27):
So I think it's that heavy onI'm chosen and us making the
decision to just go, even whenwe can't see it clearly, even
when we're in it, the fact thatyou're showing up today in it
but you're going, and I thinkthat's so important and I think
that's such a great message foreveryone.
That's in a season.
They're going through it, butthey're still showing up for
their future self.
And so, hevion, keep showing upfor your future self.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, yes, that's currently the season that I'm in
.
Yeah, where can the listenersfind you online?
You can find me at Jazzyunderscore Hawks on all
platforms.
And then the magazine atBecoming Her Mag.
The magazine is Becoming HerMagazine.
And the social club, thefaith-based social club, the
Fearless Flock.
And you can find that at theFearless Flock on all platforms.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I love that, I love that, I love that.
So make sure you follow jazz.
I also want to circle back tothe magazine, because I think it
was important to mention thatyou kind of talked about early
on in terms of like, alignment,and then I know that just after
being in the magazine that it'svery heavy on the person has to
be face centered in order to befeatured on a magazine, centered
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in order to be featured on amagazine.
So I think that's important,that you're able to create
something and then it evolvesinto something that makes more
sense as it relates to alignment, because now you feel better in
it, because you're like thesepeople are definitely of faith
centered, they understand theimportance of God and many of
them are heavy on.
I couldn't do this if it wasn'tfor God.
So I want to circle back tothat.
Like when did you make adecision, like with the magazine
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, that people needed to makesure that if they're on the
magazine, they're serving God?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And we created the magazine right, it was a
magazine for all women right, itstill is for all women, but as
far as race goes, but it wasjust for all women.
There was no parameters, no,nothing.
And then when I got, you know,fully into my walk with God, I
was like, you know, I can't be apart of a magazine that is not
(36:24):
faith-centered, because we weregetting you know people that was
in spirituality, that wasgetting you know that had
crystals, that was witchcraft,all of that stuff, and I'm like
I can't be around that because Iwas once in that.
You know, I'm trying toseparate myself from that and
that's not of God, right.
And so, you know, I was like Ican't do it if it's not going to
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be faith based.
And so it became faith based.
It feels great for it to befully faith-based and I do not
have to worry about, you know,things being snuck in underneath
and you know all of the backnoise.
I don't have to worry aboutthat because now God is fully in
the forefront.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I love that going through the journey of you know
the flesh and the spirit fromthe perspective of like you gave
me this idea and I'm workingwith someone in terms of making
this magazine happen.
And then, as we're growingtogether as people, she's
growing, I'm growing, we'rerecognizing the things that make
sense to her, make sense to me.
I have a skill set, she has askill set, a skill set, and
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within that we have to createsome boundaries in order to be
able to actualize our goals, tobring the right people on and to
be able to be at a place nowwhere it's very clear that the
people that have to be a part ofthe magazine have to be able to
share the gospel that God hasdone in their life, because that
is fully aligned with thegospel that God has created in
my life and what I want to makesure that I'm putting at the
forefront.
So I love that you're at thatplace and I think the reality is
(37:55):
, of course, to your point ofnot like speaking on much more.
We're all going to go throughdifferent tests within our
season.
I think, as soon as we like passour tests in terms of
recognizing like okay, girl, nowyou know that everybody has to
be face centered to be on thismagazine.
It's like, let me take youthrough another test real quick,
because I think the reality iswe are so ready to be like the
(38:21):
main person on the stage as itrelates to actualizing the goal
we have a whole sold out show,all the things, all these
different references that I'mgiving.
But the reality is we have togo through the test so that,
once we get up there, we knowwhat we need to do, we can
actually hold the ball in theway that we need it to.
I don't do sports, but I'malways referencing the ball.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I know the terminology, but in sport no.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, exactly Right, and so with that, we just have
to be ready to be able to runthe ball.
So those tests are going tohappen.
So I can't wait to see all ofthe growth and the things that
take place in everything thatyou're doing, and I thank you so
much for joining us on thepodcast today.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Thank you for having me.
I was nervous, you know,because of you know, of the
season that I'm in, but I'mgrateful to be here.
You have some great questionsand so, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Absolutely Listen.
Y'all, make sure y'all gofollow Jazz.
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