December 16, 2025 • 42 mins
What if your spiritual life felt less like a checklist and more like a living connection that fuels every part of your day? Daniel and Michelle Moore sit down with author and teacher Kim McIntire to unpack what it truly means to abide in Christ from John 15—and how a simple, consistent rhythm of Scripture, prayer, and praise can move you from duty to delight. Kim shares her journey from faithful routines to a deep hunger for God’s presence, the moment a Bible class flipped a switch, and why the cost of intimacy is not perfection but time.
Together, they explore the difference diligent seeking makes in real life: calmer responses under pressure, unexpected compassion for hard people, and the power to forgive when the flesh wants to hold a grudge. Kim opens up the structure behind her seven-lesson Abide study—start with worship, ask concise questions of the text, respond personally, and practice diverse forms of prayer. You’ll hear how reading the same chapter across a group often yields unique insights for each person, a reminder that God meets us individually through the same living Word. We also talk about frequency: why one day in the Bible offers little traction but four to five days builds discernment, joy, and spiritual resilience.
Kim’s stories bring prayer to life, including a “victory shout” that turned despair into hope, and a reflective exercise that compares your most valuable human relationship to your walk with God. Time, mutuality, encouragement, accountability, listening, presence, trust—these are the ingredients of abiding, and they’re available to anyone hungry for God. If you’ve felt stuck, distracted, or unsure where to start, this conversation offers clear next steps and a warm push to try ten minutes today and let appetite grow.
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Kim McIntire (00:08):
Hey everyone, welcome to the It's Time to Rise
Up podcast.
I'm your host, Kim McIntire.
We know there are so manythings you can do with your
time, so thank you for choosingto spend your time listening
today.
We pray you are encouraged andblessed by what is shared.
If you're not familiar with ourshow, please check out our
website at it'stimetoriseup.org.
(00:29):
There you will find our socialmedia links.
And as for our podcastplatforms, you'll find us on
YouTube, Apple Podcasts,Spotify, and everywhere else you
find your podcast.
I'm excited to announce thatthe Abide 7 Lesson Study is now
available on Amazon and BarnesNoble.
The link to order is found inour show notes.
(00:50):
The Abide Study is currentlythe discipleship piece of the
Rise Up movement.
There's more about that on ourwebsite.
Now let's get to today'sepisode.
Most of you know I've recentlypublished the Abide Seven Lesson
Study.
Here recently, I had the honorof being interviewed on the
Marriage Life and More Podcastby Daniel and Michelle Moore.
(01:12):
They have been willing to letus air this episode on the It's
Time to Rise Up podcast.
Thank you, Daniel and Michelle.
Let's get into the interview.
Michelle Moore (01:42):
Today we're really excited because we get to
talk about something that everybeliever longs for: how to
truly abide in God's presence.
And we have a special guestwith us, author Kim McIntire,
who wrote the book in BibleStudy Abide, John 15, 4, 7
Lesson Study.
Daniel Moore (02:03):
Yeah, Kim's heart is to help believers move past
routine religion and reallyexperience the presence and the
power of God in everyday life.
And if you've ever struggledwith making prayer or Bible
reading a joy instead of itbeing a duty, well, today you're
going to love thisconversation.
Michelle Moore (02:19):
So grab that coffee and your Bible or just a
quiet moment and let's jump intotoday's episode with Kim
McIntire.
Daniel Moore (02:35):
So welcome back to the podcast this week.
And as we've mentioned here inthe intro, we have Kim McIntire
here with us.
Now it's your first time onMarriage Life and More.
It is.
But you've been on Connectingthe Gap before.
That's right.
So I loved it.
Matter of fact, this is just alittle tidbit here.
You still have the second mostpopular episode on my Connecting
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the Gap podcast.
Kim McIntire (03:00):
I'm honored.
Daniel Moore (03:01):
One of our episodes is like right on your
back bumper.
Kim McIntire (03:05):
Well, that's okay.
I'm honored.
Thank you for that.
Daniel Moore (03:07):
You're still up there.
Awesome.
And the last time uh that wehad you here was for your from
your previous book.
Kim McIntire (03:13):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (03:14):
And uh we'll mention that here in just a
minute.
But Kim McIntire, she's aretired teacher who loves the
Lord and is devoted tointentional discipleship.
Her passions are teaching theword and leading prayer groups.
Kim's currently she leads ateam who teaches the Abide Study
in person and select lessonsonline through the podcast.
It's time to rise up.
In addition, she leads theprayer team for Rise Up, an
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annual conference that is avessel for revival.
Her hobbies are Phoenix andEverly, who keep her very busy,
and she says they're the bestgrandkids on the planet.
Kim McIntire (03:47):
They are.
Daniel Moore (03:48):
They are.
Kim McIntire (03:48):
Of course they are.
Daniel Moore (03:49):
So we're gonna have to duke it out here in a
minute because we've got four.
Kim McIntire (03:54):
I don't know, you guys.
Daniel Moore (03:57):
Okay.
Kim McIntire (03:57):
I get it.
Okay, I'll let you guys tiewith them all.
Maybe it's tie.
Okay.
I'll let you tie.
Daniel Moore (04:02):
We can handle that.
Kim McIntire (04:03):
All right.
Sounds good.
Daniel Moore (04:05):
Good.
Well, as I mentioned earlier,uh you've written one book
already called AbidingConversations.
And that book was releasedOctober 18th, 22.
Can you believe it's been thatlong?
Kim McIntire (04:15):
I can't.
Daniel Moore (04:16):
It seems like it was yesterday.
Kim McIntire (04:17):
It really does.
Daniel Moore (04:18):
And that was put out by Trilogy Christian
Publishers.
And now you have a new one outthat just came out this month.
Yeah.
On August 12th.
And as Michelle, she mentionedthe title earlier, it's Abide,
John 15, 4.
And this one's a seven-lessonstudy.
And we're going to talk alittle bit about that today as
we get into this interview.
But I wanted to read thatscripture, John chapter 15,
verse 4.
(04:38):
It says, Abide in me and I inyou, as the branch cannot bear
fruit by itself unless it abidesin the vine, neither can you,
unless you abide in me.
Michelle Moore (04:49):
Amen.
So good.
Kim, before we dive into abide,can you share a little of your
personal journey with the Lordand what inspired you to write
this study?
Okay.
Kim McIntire (05:03):
Well, my journey with the Lord started about four
decades ago.
And you know, just growing upin a Christian home, I just
always believed in God.
Was very faithful to go tochurch with my parents who were
faithful to the house of theLord.
And I would say my journey withthe Lord until about 2003 was
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really as sincerely as it couldbe, it was just a checkbox
relationship with God.
And if you don't know what thatmeans, um I went to church
every time the doors were open.
I read the Bible as a devotion.
I studied the Bible to teachSunday school.
I prayed the kind of everydayprayers of protect my family,
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bless the food.
If someone was sick, I wouldpray for you know that person.
Mostly prayed for my family.
And some church, um, like myyouth group at church, I would
pray for them because I washelping lead that.
But um that all shifted in 2003when I took a class that
honestly, the day I left thatclass on how to read the Bible
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for personal devotion, I wasjust captivated by it.
I can't explain it except Godjust put a hunger in my heart
that day for his word.
And that love for the word grewinto a love for prayer that I
didn't even know you couldactually walk in.
Because it did kind of feelalways more like a duty,
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something I needed to do,something I should do as a
Christian, as a believer.
And now it's it's a passion anda love.
And I believe it grew from timein the word.
So that's that's a little bitof my about my journey with the
Lord.
And then why did I write thestudy guide?
Well, in 2023, the Lord gave mesome names of young women, and
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he said, I didn't actually knowany of them except by face.
And the Lord said, ask them tocome and read the Bible and pray
with you and just show themwhat you do.
So I did, and they said yes.
And that was a three-month timetogether, and in that time with
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them, God said, This needs tobe a lesson study.
And, you know, God grew it.
And then those girls ended upbecoming part of an ongoing
Abide study to really just helpme learn how to tweak what I was
doing.
And God grew up leaders in thatgroup and teachers in that
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group, and I'm so grateful.
Yes.
I'm so grateful.
So that's really how Abide wasborn.
Love that.
Just with a group of four otherwomen, young women and me.
Daniel Moore (07:47):
Well, we know you know all the women that you have
that help lead.
You've got a phenomenal groupof you.
Kim McIntire (07:53):
They're amazing.
Daniel Moore (07:54):
They do an excellent job.
And uh, Kim, we mentioned thepodcast earlier, it's time to
rise up, and you are the host ofthat podcast.
So anybody that's listening, ifyou don't already know about
it, uh we've already, you know,like I said, had her here
before, and we've talked aboutthat um also in pre in previous
episodes, but uh, you can checkthat out.
Uh but you do some of thesestudies on that podcast.
(08:16):
So after you guys you knowlisten to this interview this
week and you go to Amazon andyou're gonna buy this book, I
know you're gonna do it.
Please buy it.
Yes.
Michelle Moore (08:24):
So once you haven't got to read it yet.
Daniel Moore (08:26):
Yeah, once you once you do that, then uh you
can get on the the podcast andactually listen to some of the
online uh classes and kind ofsee how those work.
So that'll kind of help you alittle bit as well.
So I know with your testimony,you know you've mentioned uh
that there was a season in yourlife where you struggled with
Bible study and with prayer andand that kind of thing.
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Although you had a walk withGod.
Yeah.
Um, and like a lot of us do,you know, we'll we'll have a
walk with God, we'll have ourchurch time and the things that
we do for the Lord, but yet forsome reason when we try to sit
down with the Bible in our lapor we try to have the quiet time
in our closet just to to callout to God and that kind of
thing, it's difficult.
(09:09):
It's just like it's so out ofour it's like out of our
stretch, it seems like.
Those times when that was likethat in your life, uh, in what
ways did God meet you in thoseplaces during that time before
you learned this new process ofstudy?
Kim McIntire (09:24):
Well, I thank God for his grace because he'll meet
us anywhere, even in thestruggle, especially in the
struggle.
Daniel Moore (09:30):
Yeah, that's good.
Kim McIntire (09:32):
And I feel like even in my neglect of a true
pursuit of intimacy with him,his grace was always pursuing
me.
And so I think that was reallythe sustainer in that time of my
checklist mentality rather thanthe relational approach to
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being with the Lord.
And it's very, very different.
And the level of joy increaseswhen it becomes a relational
focus rather than a checklistfocus.
That that's been my experiencebecause it's not a struggle for
me anymore.
And I'm not saying I neverstruggle, that's not true, but
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that would be a rare occasionthat I struggle to open my Bible
and read and pray because it'ssuch a rhythm now.
It's like breathing.
Yeah, it's hard to explain, butit's like I wouldn't miss a
meal intentionally, and I don'tmiss God's word intentionally.
You know, some things happensometimes that oh, I forgot to
eat lunch.
Yeah, but that's not that's notmy normal.
(10:39):
You know what I'm saying?
So it's my rhythm now.
And God's grace, I would say Igive him the credit for that.
Daniel Moore (10:46):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (10:46):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (10:47):
And you know, I think something that we can take
away from that that we need toremember, and you hit it right
on the on the head with that, isGod knows where we're at in our
walk with him, and he knowsthat there's more.
Kim McIntire (10:57):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (10:57):
You know, we we might think we're full to the
brim and I can't handle anymore,you know, but God knows
different.
There's a lot of empty space inthere that he needs to fill in
and he does pursue us.
Kim McIntire (11:08):
He does.
Daniel Moore (11:09):
And as long as we keep that hunger inside of our
heart, and as long as we areintentional to make sure that we
do crack that Bible and we doget on our knees occasionally
and and call out to him, and wekeep that hunger burning inside
of us, he doesn't leave usalone.
Kim McIntire (11:23):
Right.
Daniel Moore (11:24):
You know, he continues to come after us, and
as we keep praying and studyingand opening his word, then those
little light bulbs keep poppingon.
They do you know?
And you'll notice you getdeeper and deeper before you
know it.
And and I I really like how youput that because that that
that's a very key thing, Ithink, that we need to remember
as Christians when we feel likewe're in a rut, especially.
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Because those ruts, they'redangerous.
They can make us feel likewe're at a standstill.
It's true.
Michelle Moore (11:51):
So let's talk a little bit about the book.
The subtitle of your studytalks about the presence and
power of God resting on thosewho diligently seek Him.
Can you unpack what it lookslike in a believer's everyday
life?
Kim McIntire (12:07):
You know, there's a difference between seeking the
Lord and diligently seeking theLord.
And when people are reallyfervent and diligent in their
pursuit of knowing the Godthrough his word, through
prayer, through praise, hispresence will come down on that
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person in a different way.
And I've learned this overtime.
You can tell if you spend timewith someone or you observe a
person long enough, it's nothard to tell whether or not they
are diligently pursuing himbecause it comes out of their
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conversation, it comes out oftheir reaction to crisis, it
comes out of the way they serveand love, their compassion or
not.
And only God's presence canincrease our wisdom, our
compassion, our ability to loveand forgive, our ability to
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overlook an offense, our abilityto be humble rather than proud.
And so what I've noticed overtime, and I've noticed God
change me in so many things inmy life that that needed to be
corrected, is the more I seekhim with a diligent heart and
intention and give himattention, the more his presence
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rests on me and the more of himflows out instead of him.
Because the flesh, my fleshwants to be offended.
My flesh wants to turn and lookthe other way when someone
needs help, right?
Oh, I've got other things todo.
I'm far too busy to stop rightnow.
But when God's presence restson you, it'll change everything
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and that's power.
Daniel Moore (13:59):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (14:00):
And so when I say presence and power, the power to
love, the power to forgive, thepower to overlook an offense,
the power to be compassionatewhen you would much rather turn
and go the other way.
No, that's power.
So I just believe diligentlyseeking the Lord changes
everything about how you liveyour life.
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And people will take notice.
Yes.
Yes.
They will.
You can't miss it.
You can't miss it whensomeone's diligently seeking the
Lord.
Daniel Moore (14:30):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (14:31):
And it's not because they're holding up a
sign that says, I diligentlyseek the Lord every day.
You just see it in their life.
Daniel Moore (14:38):
Right.
Kim McIntire (14:38):
It's powerful.
Daniel Moore (14:39):
Yeah, it's it's a lot like you know, being a true
leader.
Uh, when you're a true leader,you lead by influence.
Kim McIntire (14:46):
That's right.
Daniel Moore (14:46):
You don't crack the whip and be the, you know,
bossy and that kind of thing.
There are leaders out therethat are like that.
Kim McIntire (14:52):
Oh, sure.
Daniel Moore (14:53):
But a true leader leads by influence.
If they have a good influenceon the people that's around
them, then those people aregoing to be more likely to
follow their lead.
And, you know, that's when whenit comes to God, that's how I
kind of look at that, becauseJesus was our biggest influence.
He is our influence.
Yeah.
You know, he set that pathbefore us.
Amen.
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He gave us that example.
And I think that, you know, ifwe if we keep our eyes on him
and we follow that path thathe's laid out there before us,
then you can't go wrong.
Kim McIntire (15:24):
So true.
Daniel Moore (15:24):
And you're you're only going to want to get dig to
dig deeper.
You're only going to want toknow more and more about who he
is.
And, you know, I know there'smany times that you've
emphasized that intimacy withGod is not just for a select
few, but for anyone who's hungryfor God.
Why do you think so manyChristians still feel like
closeness with God is so out oftheir reach?
Kim McIntire (15:48):
I think that I know the answer to this, this,
but I also think there are somequestion marks because there's
not a one size fits all on whyit's a struggle or why few
people think it's unattainable.
But I feel like a lot of peoplejust don't want to pay the c
the cost.
And the cost is time.
And this is not legalistic.
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It's not legalistic to have aheart posture that says, I'm
going to devote this block oftime to be alone with the Lord.
That's not legalistic.
Unfortunately, some people leaninto if you think you have to
have a set time to be with theLord, you can get into legalism.
But the truth is, if you lovesomeone and you desire time with
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them, you make it a priorityand a focus of your life.
I talk to my husband every day.
If one of us is out of town forwhatever reason, we still talk.
Daniel Moore (16:47):
Right.
Kim McIntire (16:47):
Yeah.
Even if one of us is gone.
Daniel Moore (16:50):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (16:51):
And so the cost is time.
Daniel Moore (16:53):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (16:54):
And it's not unattainable.
I believe anyone hungry for Godcan get as much of God as they
are willing to invest time togain that feeling, that
satisfaction.
He says he desires, hesatisfies our desires with good
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things.
So our youth is renewed likethe eagle.
But the way he satisfies us isthrough the time we spend with
him, where he's pouring in tous.
Daniel Moore (17:26):
Right.
Kim McIntire (17:26):
And our spiritual hunger is then filled.
So we're not going aroundstarving spiritually because we
have been filled by him andsatisfied by him.
Just like if I love bread.
And so I feel very satisfiedwhen I eat a really good piece
of bread or roll or whatever.
I mean, the same is true withspiritual satisfaction.
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He is the living bread.
Yeah.
And he fills me.
And the more hungry I get, themore, the more he fills me up.
But it does take time.
And I'll tell you, I would Iwould argue against anyone who
would say that's not absolutelyessential in a relationship with
Jesus.
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It just is.
Daniel Moore (18:09):
It is.
Kim McIntire (18:10):
It really is.
A relationship.
I'm not talking about beingsaved.
I'm talking about a personal,intimate relationship where you
are growing and he is fillingyou so you can pour out.
Because if he's not fillingyou, I promise you have nothing
to give to others.
Yes.
Yes.
He's the source of what we pourout.
Daniel Moore (18:29):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
So good.
And you know, Michelle and Italk a lot about in our our
marriage episodes, we've talkedabout it many times, that even
in marriages, like youmentioned, you and your husband,
you know, Michelle and I, weyou have to carve that time out.
You do.
Whether if you feel like you'regot too much going on or
whatever, that's not in even inthe equation.
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Right.
You have to have that time,that intimate time with each
other in order to make sure thatthat relationship flourishes
and it continues to grow.
And who do we get that from?
We get that because we'vewatched the example that God's
given us.
That Jesus has given us.
And we know that just like yousaid, if we don't carve that
time out for God, then we'renever gonna grow.
Kim McIntire (19:12):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (19:12):
We're never gonna draw closer to that.
Kim McIntire (19:14):
It's true.
And the beautiful thing is thatI think some people don't
understand is that time canliterally start with 10 minutes.
Yeah.
And I would even say for somepeople, maybe five.
Yeah.
Because some people haveattention issues, and that
really is a struggle for them tofocus.
But any time you devote towhere you're like, I'm going to
spend five minutes reading achapter and then I'm going to
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pray.
Or 10 minutes reading a chapterand then I'm going to pray.
God will meet you there.
Daniel Moore (19:42):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (19:43):
And then over time you get hungry for more.
I mean, it that's what God didfor me.
Hallelujah.
Daniel Moore (19:48):
That's right.
Intentional baby steps.
Michelle Moore (19:50):
Yes.
And I wanted to make thecomment, you know, going through
a couple of weeks of your studyand stuff like that, if you're
reading a chapter and you'velistened to The podcasts rise up
and you've had your group onthere and how they go dissect
that actual pair or thatchapter.
Kim McIntire (20:08):
The chapter.
Yeah.
Breaking it down.
Michelle Moore (20:10):
It is amazing because what you are reading and
what you're getting from Godthat you're needing to see out
of it.
And you if you go back andlisten to that, uh, the podcast,
it actually each individualperson had something different
to say.
It's true.
And God, He He puts everythingin the words in front of you,
but yet what you need, you'regonna receive.
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Yeah.
And it's even made me dive alittle bit more, like just
seeing it in a different view ofwhen I did your study.
I mean, I was like, wow, thisis like, hey, it makes you
really think.
It's not just reading.
Yeah.
It makes you dive into it.
And it's like, okay, what do Ineed to know today?
Kim McIntire (20:50):
And it's so personal that way.
Michelle Moore (20:52):
Yeah.
So personal.
And each time you guys go back,you're like, you can read it
over and over, and each timeyou're gonna get something
different.
It's true.
So good point.
Thank you for bringing that up.
Daniel Moore (21:02):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Michelle Moore (21:03):
Yeah.
So abide is such a richbiblical word.
So, what does abiding in Christmean to you personally?
Kim McIntire (21:14):
Well, the example Jesus used in John 15 was the
vine and the branch.
And a vine and a branch areconnected.
There's not a disconnect.
If there is a disconnect, thebranch is going to die.
Yes.
Daniel Moore (21:30):
Exactly.
Kim McIntire (21:30):
So the branch can only live and be healthy and
thrive and grow when it staysconnected.
So what I know is for my life,as I stay connected to Jesus
through the word and prayer andpraise, and that's really the
principles of abide, the study Iwrote.
When I stay connected throughthose really gifts God gave us,
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I grow.
Yeah.
I'm healthier in my mind, in mybody, in my spirit, in my
relationships.
I can actually bring somethingto others, right?
So branches bear fruit.
Daniel Moore (22:15):
Right.
Kim McIntire (22:15):
And it's not me.
I want to be really clear.
This isn't about Kim, but abranch connected to the vine, a
person connected to Jesus Christwho stays connected through the
word, prayer, and praise andservice.
They will bear fruit becauseGod says they will.
So to me, abiding in him isthat connection.
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It's it's again, it goes backto the time element.
It's a relationship that's I'minvesting in and God's investing
in me.
It's reciprocal.
Yeah.
It's not one-sided.
Because God's always going todo his part.
He's never going to not do hispart in his pursuit of his
people.
Right.
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But the problem is the pe ourus, we as people, God's people,
we don't always pursue him.
Yeah.
And that's when the branch getsdry.
That's when the branch mightget disconnected.
That's when the branch nolonger bears fruit that
glorifies the Father.
So abiding to me is all aboutthat vine in the branch, and
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it's an investment of time andlove.
Love, like loving God.
He already loves us.
We want to love him back.
And I can't help but love himwhen I read his word and pray
because there's so much, likeyou said, personal.
He's speaking it to me.
Daniel Moore (23:33):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (23:33):
You know?
Daniel Moore (23:34):
Yeah.
And I think something toremember about the word abide,
it's kind of like when you lovesomeone or having faith.
It's an ongoing Yeah.
Kim McIntire (23:42):
It's it's action.
Daniel Moore (23:43):
It's a continual action.
It's a verb.
Yes.
Kim McIntire (23:46):
It's a verb.
Daniel Moore (23:47):
It's not a one moment for a second thing and
then you're done.
Right.
When when Jesus, when he saysto abide in me, that's a
continual thing for the rest ofour life that he wants us to do.
Yes.
He wants us to be there withhim moment by moment, day by
day, just drinking in hisgoodness and everything that he
has for us.
And I think so many times whenwe read that scripture, and
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because I've been guilty of itmyself in the past, I just
superficially read over thescripture real fast, you know,
abiding Jesus and you know, findthe branches and all this
stuff.
Just kind of read through itreal fast.
And we really forget the depthof what that really means.
Yeah.
You know, and the uh dedicationthat it's gonna cause us.
We're gonna have to break downsome strongholds, we're gonna
have to break down some walls.
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We're gonna have to do somethings to be intentional to make
sure that we have thatconnection, like you're talking
about.
If uh if we're the branches andhe's the vine, we have to stay
connected to that.
Michelle Moore (24:42):
Like you said, if we don't know how just did
that anal well, it's not reallyanalogy, it's it's the truth.
You know, I mean if you don'tget stay connected, you dry up.
And that that spoke to me likea lot of people.
Kim McIntire (24:55):
Well, I'll just tell you, I can speak to that
because I've been the per I'vebeen that person who was dried
up.
I mean, I have in seasons oflife, yeah, you know.
And so that's why it's anongoing and has to be
intentional.
And I will say this too thereare times I'm just taking a walk
with the Lord and I'm just withhim.
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And I'm not necessarily readingthe Bible, I'm not necessarily
praying or listening to worship,but it's still so very
personal.
Yeah.
And I think it looks there aredifferent layers to it, but if
I'm not in the word, how do Iknow his voice?
So the word is is to mefoundational for everything when
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it comes to abiding in him.
Because I want to know theshepherd's voice, and the
clearest way God speaks isthrough his word.
Daniel Moore (25:46):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (25:46):
I mean, it is.
It is.
And when people tell me theydon't hear God speak, I quickly
say, Would you just share withme a little bit about what does
your time in the Bible looklike?
You know, how often are youreading?
And a lot of times they'll say,Well, maybe, you know, once a
week or may always at church, orwell, the there are statistics
out there, and you can Googlethis, everyone.
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Someone just spoke about thisat a church a few weeks ago that
my husband went to a a men'sBible study, and and he said it
was interesting because theywere saying if you only take,
you know, one day a week thatyou're in the Word, it will have
very little effect or impact.
Two, it's a little more.
Three, it's more, four or fivedays, there's a significant
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impact.
And beyond that, it'sexponential.
Daniel Moore (26:33):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (26:34):
So God's word is his voice, and if he's speaking
to you and you're listening, ohmy, your life is going to
change.
Daniel Moore (26:40):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (26:40):
Yeah.
And that doesn't meaneverything's perfect, but it
will impact you.
Daniel Moore (26:44):
Yeah.
We got to train our minds.
Kim McIntire (26:47):
Oh, and it renews.
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (26:49):
Everything they say practice makes perfect.
And you know, there's a lot oftruth to that.
And that comes to God's wordand prayer and everything.
If we practice reading the wordand we practice praying like
we're supposed to on thatcontinual basis and having that
relationship with God, then wedo start hearing his voice.
He will speak to us because themore you talk to it's just like
a regular relationship.
The more you talk to the personthat's closest to you, the
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better you get to know them.
The more you have to talkabout, you know.
Yeah, that's true.
And so that's the same situationwith God.
If we continually have thatrelationship with Him and that
communication, then we get toknow each other more and more
and more and more.
And there's so much to God toknow, we'll never know it all.
Kim McIntire (27:25):
That's true.
Daniel Moore (27:25):
So we we have no excuse to say, oh, well, I've
already I've got it all figuredout and I'm done.
No, that doesn't happen.
You know, there's there's justa forever thing there uh to
God's goodness and who he is.
And so uh so this book thatyou've written, uh, like I was
talking earlier, you've writtenanother book also.
How is this one different fromyour first one?
Kim McIntire (27:48):
Well, the first one talks about um a few of the
key words that I use as I readthe Bible.
Um abiding conversations isreally a prayer journal that I
wrote as I read through the bookof John and responded to God's
voice.
It's very personal, it's myheart on paper.
Um the book I wrote, thisrecent book, is a Bible study
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format, and it's differentbecause it's not a prayer
journal.
Um, every lesson has atestimony, a personal testimony
from my life.
Um each chapter is based on achapter of the Bible that has
significantly impacted me intransformational ways.
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Um, and there's always aworship segment to it, there's a
prayer segment, um, and then astudy segment where you're using
keywords to ask questions asyou read the Bible.
So the the big difference isabiding conversations really is
a prayer journal.
And this is more a guide forhow to connect with the Lord in
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a personal way to hear his voiceand how reading the word can
drive you to deep, deeper placesof prayer.
Daniel Moore (29:04):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (29:05):
And God's taught me a lot about prayer.
So every chapter has a way theLord has taught me to pray that
is probably out of the box formost people, but it was birthed
in my prayer closet.
And I've taken I've stepped outon a limb and I've shared those
personal moments in the book.
And I've had people who'vetaken the class say, I don't
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pray the same anymore since Itook your classes.
And I taught classes for twoyears before the book came out.
So a lot of people have gonethrough it and I've had the joy
of hearing feedback.
Good and bad.
So, you know, good, like, oh,this is really people are
grabbing this, and then maybenot so good in ways, okay, this
isn't maybe clear and I need toclarify or, you know, right,
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make it present it differently.
Yeah.
So that's the beauty ofteaching it before you before
you publish it.
Daniel Moore (29:54):
Yeah.
And this book is pretty wellself-contained with it's got
everything in it that you need.
It's got the the keywords uhthat you'll be utilizing when
you go through the little thechapters for the studies and
kind of walk us through uh oneof these chapters here.
We can just do lesson one onpage 19 there, I guess.
Kim McIntire (30:13):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (30:13):
Uh I notice, you know, each one has a uh a
format.
Right.
And they're all kind offormatted the same way.
There's a song, passage,keywords, prayer practice.
Just kind of walk through that,you know, real quick and kind
of explain why you laid thosechapters out that way.
Sure.
And the intention there.
Kim McIntire (30:29):
Um so we open class with a worship song
because I feel like, you know,God's very clear.
We enter his presence withthanksgiving and his courts with
praise.
So I always open with a worshipsong.
And I encourage people whenyou're spending time with the
Lord, start with a song.
Daniel Moore (30:47):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (30:47):
Start even if it's just from your heart, doesn't
have to be on the on yourplaylist, you know.
And then after we do that, weopen the word and we dig into
the passage.
We read that together, and thenwe ask some questions.
Lord, what do you want me toknow?
You know, that's always thefoundational question.
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And we talk about it in class,and there's a place to respond
in the in the book where you canwrite out your responses.
Um, there's also a testimony,like I said, a personal
testimony, and at the end, aprayer practice.
The lesson one has a prayerpractice called Victory Prayers,
and it's about how one day Iwas just feeling so discouraged
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and just overwhelmed anddesperate for God to move.
And I'm on my I'm on my kneesand I'm crying out to God, and
I'm just like, Lord, I need youto change this.
I need you to move.
I'm desperate.
And the Lord was like, I wantyou to just get up and start
shouting victory.
Victory over this, and I'm notgonna say because it was
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personal in my family.
Daniel Moore (31:52):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (31:53):
And I was like, okay, I will do that.
And you know what?
I went from desperate andbeyond a mess on the floor,
which we there needs to be timesthat we're on the floor before
the Lord crying out.
I'm not diminishing orminimizing that, but the Lord
wanted me to grab onto hope.
And He turned despair to hopethrough me just getting up and
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just declaring victory over myfamily.
And that's a way people don'talways recognize sometimes a
prayer looks like a victoryshout.
Daniel Moore (32:26):
Right.
Kim McIntire (32:27):
Sometimes it's not head bowed on the floor crying.
Sometimes it's I'm standing upand I'm gonna march and I'm
gonna say victory and I'm gonnashout because that's how the
Jericho walls came down.
Right.
And the Lord's like, if youwant the walls to come down, get
up and shout and march aroundthis room.
And so you know what?
I did.
And I didn't care if I lookedlike a fool.
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I'll be a fool for Jesus anyday.
Daniel Moore (32:50):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (32:51):
But the peace of God and the hope of God and the
joy of the Lord just washed overme.
And I'm like, I have to sharethis with people.
Yeah.
There is somebody listeningright now.
They feel overwhelmed anddiscouraged, like there's no
hope.
That is a lie of Satan.
Yes.
You know, get get some get someuh wherewithal, some
determination, and take yourstand against the devil and
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shout victory.
Yes.
And don't, it doesn't matterwho's listening.
God is the God's the audienceof one we should be living for,
right?
Daniel Moore (33:22):
That's right.
Kim McIntire (33:22):
Okay, I can preach, so I'll stop.
Daniel Moore (33:24):
I was just getting into it here.
Kim McIntire (33:27):
I was like, We got another hour.
But I'm just I'm just sayinglike that is an example of that
the Lord has met me in somereally desperate times.
Daniel Moore (33:36):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:36):
And he's whispered things to me that have become
ways that I pray that look sodifferent than a few years ago.
Daniel Moore (33:44):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:44):
And I tell you, I I have a lot more fun praying
now too, because it's excitingwhen you start shouting victory.
Daniel Moore (33:49):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:50):
The Lord stirs up your spirit, and I guarantee you
the devil gets really unhappyand he leaves because he can't
stand it.
That's right.
So pretty soon he's gone, andthe glory of the Lord is in the
room, and I just get to be inhis presence.
Hallelujah.
That's right.
Daniel Moore (34:06):
Well, prayer is just like reading the word.
Kim McIntire (34:08):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (34:08):
Uh when you read the word, there's many different
ways that you can read it,there's many ways you can study
it, there's many ways that Godwill speak to you through it.
Yeah.
When it comes to prayer,there's prayers of lament,
there's prayers of praise,there's prayers of supplication,
there's prayers of action.
I mean, there's all thesedifferent ways.
You know, us as we grow up,especially again, this comes
back to if you're going to makeyour life a living sacrifice to
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God, where you're going tocontinually pray and read His
Word and make that a big part ofyour life each and every day,
then you're going to progress inthis a lot quicker.
But for the person that doesnot do that, the person, the
biannual Bible reader, biannualprayer warrior, you know.
These people that are Sundayprayer warriors, you know, the
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people that just save it fortheir, you know, they don't do
anything in between.
Kim McIntire (34:56):
The Sunday experience.
Daniel Moore (34:57):
Exactly.
Kim McIntire (34:58):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (34:58):
Uh you're you're gonna find that a lot of those
people they pray the same exactway all the time.
They 'cause they don't know anydifferent.
You know, they've neverventured out to experience God
in a true way, the way that Hewants us to experience, and to
understand that there's manydifferent ways that we can pray
to Him.
Yeah and ask for things orworship Him and thank Him for
things.
There's just so much more tothat, but you'll never know
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until you make it a practice inyour life and abide.
Kim McIntire (35:25):
That's true.
Daniel Moore (35:26):
Just like these your books that you've written,
you've you've got to make beintentional with that.
That's true.
And make sure that you abide inHim constantly.
Kim McIntire (35:33):
It changes everything.
Daniel Moore (35:34):
It changes everything.
It truly does.
Uh we're gonna go ahead andwrap this up here in just a in
about a minute or so here, acouple minutes.
Um as we go, if someone onlyremembered one lesson from
Abide, what would you hope thatthat would be?
Kim McIntire (35:48):
Well, but I talked about time earlier.
And in one of the lessons, Iask the students, what is your
most valuable relationship?
And I would just ask them tothink about that person and put
that person in their mind.
And so once they have thatperson identified, I say, what
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makes that person the mostvaluable person in your life?
And then they think about that.
And then I ask them, okay,we're gonna go around the circle
and just tell me what makesthat relationship so special.
And so they share, and there'sa lot of different ideas, but
I've taught this so many timesthat I narrowed it down when I
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wrote the book to a few.
And so one is they give metime.
The other one was it's valuablebecause the relationship isn't
one-sided, it's both give andtake.
The other was encouragement.
I feel really encouraged whenI'm with them, and I think
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they're encouraged when they'rewith me.
Another was accountability.
They would say, This personholds me accountable, and I know
it's because they love me, andI try to hold them accountable.
And then this one I love thisone.
The other was listening.
This person listens to me withintention, and I try to listen
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when they speak.
Daniel Moore (37:17):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (37:17):
So do you see this reciprocal, mutual, relational?
That's really what makes humanrelationships so valuable.
Two more.
One is present.
When you're together, you're inthe moment and not distracted,
and then trust.
That's pretty obvious, right?
So then I ask this question Isthis the way you value your
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relationship with the Lord?
And is this the way youfunction in your relationship
with the Lord?
And then I say, time.
You know, be honest.
Are you giving time to theLord?
Because He's giving time toyou.
Daniel Moore (37:55):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (37:56):
He's available 24-7 every day of the year.
Then I say, Is it mutual?
Do you receive from the Lordand then pour out to someone
else?
Because that's the way our lifein Christ should work.
When he pours in, we are thenpouring out into others around
us.
Daniel Moore (38:14):
Right.
Kim McIntire (38:14):
The other one is encouragement.
Basically, I took everythingthey said and I turned it back
to reflect on relationship withGod.
Is your time with himencouraging to you?
Because I guarantee it'sencouraging to him.
Daniel Moore (38:28):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (38:28):
He wants us to bless him as well, right?
Daniel Moore (38:30):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (38:31):
And then accountability.
Do you allow God to hold youaccountable by responding to
conviction and correction?
Daniel Moore (38:38):
Yeah, that's good.
Kim McIntire (38:39):
And then I end with this listening.
Do you listen to the Lordthrough his word and prayer?
Or are you the one who's doingall the talking?
Because if you treated yourmost valuable human relationship
that way, if you treated yourhusband or your closest friend
in a way that you do all thetalking and they never have you
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never give them an opportunityto speak, that person would
probably not be around for verylong.
Daniel Moore (39:07):
Yes, probably.
Kim McIntire (39:08):
And that is the most eye-opening exercise that
we do.
It's from lesson, and there's alot more to that in the book,
but it's lesson six.
But I think I've had so manypeople say that really opened my
eyes to the point of I givetime to my husband or my
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children or my best friend or mywhatever golf club team.
Daniel Moore (39:35):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (39:36):
But I'm not even thinking about treating the Lord
in the same with the sameregard and respect.
And how much more should we betreating the Lord with that kind
of love and consideration andrespect?
I mean, he he deserves so muchmore than the people in our
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lives deserve.
And I mean we should alwayslove and respect and treat
people well.
That's not what I mean.
You know what I'm saying?
But the first command is lovethe Lord your God with all your
heart, soul, mind, and strength,and love others as you love
yourself.
So that would be my takeaway,Daniel.
If I would say there's onepoint that I would drive home
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from abide, if you live yourlife in that way, you will abide
in Christ and He will abide inyou.
Oh, so good.
Thank you.
Oh my God.
I'm so honored to be heretoday.
Just pumped up now.
Daniel Moore (40:33):
The thing we have to remember is God is more
invested in us than we are.
Kim McIntire (40:37):
Yeah, it's true.
Daniel Moore (40:38):
And we have to remember that.
Yes.
Amen.
If He would have stopped at thecross, and all we had, you
know, if we were standing therestaring at the cross and that's
all we had to look at.
Yeah.
Imagine how bleak that wouldbe.
You know, how disturbing thatwould be.
Kim McIntire (40:52):
Wow.
Daniel Moore (40:52):
But no, if we turn around and look the other
direction, we see theresurrection.
Amen.
That's the light.
Amen.
That's the true cost of what hegave just to save our lives.
Praise the Lord.
And I think that everythingthat you just said, uh, we owe
that all to him.
Kim McIntire (41:10):
All of it.
And more.
And more, yes.
More.
Daniel Moore (41:12):
We'll never pay him back for what he's done for
us.
Not a million years would weever do that.
Kim McIntire (41:17):
It's true.
Daniel Moore (41:17):
And so that's the you've gave given us a lot of
good things to think about.
Kim McIntire (41:22):
Thank you so much.
Daniel Moore (41:23):
Go get this book.
This book is awesome.
Kim McIntire (41:26):
I would be honored for anyone to buy that and to
tell us how we can get it.
It's available on Amazon.
It's available on Barnes andNoble.
And just be so honored foranyone to read it.
Daniel Moore (41:38):
Yep.
It's gonna it'll be a blessing.
Kim McIntire (41:40):
Yeah, if you can do it alone or with a group of
people, it's better in a group,it's better in community.
Daniel Moore (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, it does, it it is uh formatted to
be a very good group study.
Kim McIntire (41:53):
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Hey everyone, welcome to the It's Time to Rise
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There's more about that on ourwebsite.
Now let's get to today'sepisode.
Most of you know I've recentlypublished the Abide Seven Lesson
Study.
Here recently, I had the honorof being interviewed on the
Marriage Life and More Podcastby Daniel and Michelle Moore.
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They have been willing to letus air this episode on the It's
Time to Rise Up podcast.
Thank you, Daniel and Michelle.
Let's get into the interview.
Michelle Moore (01:42):
Today we're really excited because we get to
talk about something that everybeliever longs for: how to
truly abide in God's presence.
And we have a special guestwith us, author Kim McIntire,
who wrote the book in BibleStudy Abide, John 15, 4, 7
Lesson Study.
Daniel Moore (02:03):
Yeah, Kim's heart is to help believers move past
routine religion and reallyexperience the presence and the
power of God in everyday life.
And if you've ever struggledwith making prayer or Bible
reading a joy instead of itbeing a duty, well, today you're
going to love thisconversation.
Michelle Moore (02:19):
So grab that coffee and your Bible or just a
quiet moment and let's jump intotoday's episode with Kim
McIntire.
Daniel Moore (02:35):
So welcome back to the podcast this week.
And as we've mentioned here inthe intro, we have Kim McIntire
here with us.
Now it's your first time onMarriage Life and More.
It is.
But you've been on Connectingthe Gap before.
That's right.
So I loved it.
Matter of fact, this is just alittle tidbit here.
You still have the second mostpopular episode on my Connecting
(02:59):
the Gap podcast.
Kim McIntire (03:00):
I'm honored.
Daniel Moore (03:01):
One of our episodes is like right on your
back bumper.
Kim McIntire (03:05):
Well, that's okay.
I'm honored.
Thank you for that.
Daniel Moore (03:07):
You're still up there.
Awesome.
And the last time uh that wehad you here was for your from
your previous book.
Kim McIntire (03:13):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (03:14):
And uh we'll mention that here in just a
minute.
But Kim McIntire, she's aretired teacher who loves the
Lord and is devoted tointentional discipleship.
Her passions are teaching theword and leading prayer groups.
Kim's currently she leads ateam who teaches the Abide Study
in person and select lessonsonline through the podcast.
It's time to rise up.
In addition, she leads theprayer team for Rise Up, an
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annual conference that is avessel for revival.
Her hobbies are Phoenix andEverly, who keep her very busy,
and she says they're the bestgrandkids on the planet.
Kim McIntire (03:47):
They are.
Daniel Moore (03:48):
They are.
Kim McIntire (03:48):
Of course they are.
Daniel Moore (03:49):
So we're gonna have to duke it out here in a
minute because we've got four.
Kim McIntire (03:54):
I don't know, you guys.
Daniel Moore (03:57):
Okay.
Kim McIntire (03:57):
I get it.
Okay, I'll let you guys tiewith them all.
Maybe it's tie.
Okay.
I'll let you tie.
Daniel Moore (04:02):
We can handle that.
Kim McIntire (04:03):
All right.
Sounds good.
Daniel Moore (04:05):
Good.
Well, as I mentioned earlier,uh you've written one book
already called AbidingConversations.
And that book was releasedOctober 18th, 22.
Can you believe it's been thatlong?
Kim McIntire (04:15):
I can't.
Daniel Moore (04:16):
It seems like it was yesterday.
Kim McIntire (04:17):
It really does.
Daniel Moore (04:18):
And that was put out by Trilogy Christian
Publishers.
And now you have a new one outthat just came out this month.
Yeah.
On August 12th.
And as Michelle, she mentionedthe title earlier, it's Abide,
John 15, 4.
And this one's a seven-lessonstudy.
And we're going to talk alittle bit about that today as
we get into this interview.
But I wanted to read thatscripture, John chapter 15,
verse 4.
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It says, Abide in me and I inyou, as the branch cannot bear
fruit by itself unless it abidesin the vine, neither can you,
unless you abide in me.
Michelle Moore (04:49):
Amen.
So good.
Kim, before we dive into abide,can you share a little of your
personal journey with the Lordand what inspired you to write
this study?
Okay.
Kim McIntire (05:03):
Well, my journey with the Lord started about four
decades ago.
And you know, just growing upin a Christian home, I just
always believed in God.
Was very faithful to go tochurch with my parents who were
faithful to the house of theLord.
And I would say my journey withthe Lord until about 2003 was
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really as sincerely as it couldbe, it was just a checkbox
relationship with God.
And if you don't know what thatmeans, um I went to church
every time the doors were open.
I read the Bible as a devotion.
I studied the Bible to teachSunday school.
I prayed the kind of everydayprayers of protect my family,
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bless the food.
If someone was sick, I wouldpray for you know that person.
Mostly prayed for my family.
And some church, um, like myyouth group at church, I would
pray for them because I washelping lead that.
But um that all shifted in 2003when I took a class that
honestly, the day I left thatclass on how to read the Bible
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for personal devotion, I wasjust captivated by it.
I can't explain it except Godjust put a hunger in my heart
that day for his word.
And that love for the word grewinto a love for prayer that I
didn't even know you couldactually walk in.
Because it did kind of feelalways more like a duty,
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something I needed to do,something I should do as a
Christian, as a believer.
And now it's it's a passion anda love.
And I believe it grew from timein the word.
So that's that's a little bitof my about my journey with the
Lord.
And then why did I write thestudy guide?
Well, in 2023, the Lord gave mesome names of young women, and
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he said, I didn't actually knowany of them except by face.
And the Lord said, ask them tocome and read the Bible and pray
with you and just show themwhat you do.
So I did, and they said yes.
And that was a three-month timetogether, and in that time with
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them, God said, This needs tobe a lesson study.
And, you know, God grew it.
And then those girls ended upbecoming part of an ongoing
Abide study to really just helpme learn how to tweak what I was
doing.
And God grew up leaders in thatgroup and teachers in that
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group, and I'm so grateful.
Yes.
I'm so grateful.
So that's really how Abide wasborn.
Love that.
Just with a group of four otherwomen, young women and me.
Daniel Moore (07:47):
Well, we know you know all the women that you have
that help lead.
You've got a phenomenal groupof you.
Kim McIntire (07:53):
They're amazing.
Daniel Moore (07:54):
They do an excellent job.
And uh, Kim, we mentioned thepodcast earlier, it's time to
rise up, and you are the host ofthat podcast.
So anybody that's listening, ifyou don't already know about
it, uh we've already, you know,like I said, had her here
before, and we've talked aboutthat um also in pre in previous
episodes, but uh, you can checkthat out.
Uh but you do some of thesestudies on that podcast.
(08:16):
So after you guys you knowlisten to this interview this
week and you go to Amazon andyou're gonna buy this book, I
know you're gonna do it.
Please buy it.
Yes.
Michelle Moore (08:24):
So once you haven't got to read it yet.
Daniel Moore (08:26):
Yeah, once you once you do that, then uh you
can get on the the podcast andactually listen to some of the
online uh classes and kind ofsee how those work.
So that'll kind of help you alittle bit as well.
So I know with your testimony,you know you've mentioned uh
that there was a season in yourlife where you struggled with
Bible study and with prayer andand that kind of thing.
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Although you had a walk withGod.
Yeah.
Um, and like a lot of us do,you know, we'll we'll have a
walk with God, we'll have ourchurch time and the things that
we do for the Lord, but yet forsome reason when we try to sit
down with the Bible in our lapor we try to have the quiet time
in our closet just to to callout to God and that kind of
thing, it's difficult.
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It's just like it's so out ofour it's like out of our
stretch, it seems like.
Those times when that was likethat in your life, uh, in what
ways did God meet you in thoseplaces during that time before
you learned this new process ofstudy?
Kim McIntire (09:24):
Well, I thank God for his grace because he'll meet
us anywhere, even in thestruggle, especially in the
struggle.
Daniel Moore (09:30):
Yeah, that's good.
Kim McIntire (09:32):
And I feel like even in my neglect of a true
pursuit of intimacy with him,his grace was always pursuing
me.
And so I think that was reallythe sustainer in that time of my
checklist mentality rather thanthe relational approach to
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being with the Lord.
And it's very, very different.
And the level of joy increaseswhen it becomes a relational
focus rather than a checklistfocus.
That that's been my experiencebecause it's not a struggle for
me anymore.
And I'm not saying I neverstruggle, that's not true, but
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that would be a rare occasionthat I struggle to open my Bible
and read and pray because it'ssuch a rhythm now.
It's like breathing.
Yeah, it's hard to explain, butit's like I wouldn't miss a
meal intentionally, and I don'tmiss God's word intentionally.
You know, some things happensometimes that oh, I forgot to
eat lunch.
Yeah, but that's not that's notmy normal.
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You know what I'm saying?
So it's my rhythm now.
And God's grace, I would say Igive him the credit for that.
Daniel Moore (10:46):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (10:46):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (10:47):
And you know, I think something that we can take
away from that that we need toremember, and you hit it right
on the on the head with that, isGod knows where we're at in our
walk with him, and he knowsthat there's more.
Kim McIntire (10:57):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (10:57):
You know, we we might think we're full to the
brim and I can't handle anymore,you know, but God knows
different.
There's a lot of empty space inthere that he needs to fill in
and he does pursue us.
Kim McIntire (11:08):
He does.
Daniel Moore (11:09):
And as long as we keep that hunger inside of our
heart, and as long as we areintentional to make sure that we
do crack that Bible and we doget on our knees occasionally
and and call out to him, and wekeep that hunger burning inside
of us, he doesn't leave usalone.
Kim McIntire (11:23):
Right.
Daniel Moore (11:24):
You know, he continues to come after us, and
as we keep praying and studyingand opening his word, then those
little light bulbs keep poppingon.
They do you know?
And you'll notice you getdeeper and deeper before you
know it.
And and I I really like how youput that because that that
that's a very key thing, Ithink, that we need to remember
as Christians when we feel likewe're in a rut, especially.
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Because those ruts, they'redangerous.
They can make us feel likewe're at a standstill.
It's true.
Michelle Moore (11:51):
So let's talk a little bit about the book.
The subtitle of your studytalks about the presence and
power of God resting on thosewho diligently seek Him.
Can you unpack what it lookslike in a believer's everyday
life?
Kim McIntire (12:07):
You know, there's a difference between seeking the
Lord and diligently seeking theLord.
And when people are reallyfervent and diligent in their
pursuit of knowing the Godthrough his word, through
prayer, through praise, hispresence will come down on that
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person in a different way.
And I've learned this overtime.
You can tell if you spend timewith someone or you observe a
person long enough, it's nothard to tell whether or not they
are diligently pursuing himbecause it comes out of their
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conversation, it comes out oftheir reaction to crisis, it
comes out of the way they serveand love, their compassion or
not.
And only God's presence canincrease our wisdom, our
compassion, our ability to loveand forgive, our ability to
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overlook an offense, our abilityto be humble rather than proud.
And so what I've noticed overtime, and I've noticed God
change me in so many things inmy life that that needed to be
corrected, is the more I seekhim with a diligent heart and
intention and give himattention, the more his presence
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rests on me and the more of himflows out instead of him.
Because the flesh, my fleshwants to be offended.
My flesh wants to turn and lookthe other way when someone
needs help, right?
Oh, I've got other things todo.
I'm far too busy to stop rightnow.
But when God's presence restson you, it'll change everything
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and that's power.
Daniel Moore (13:59):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (14:00):
And so when I say presence and power, the power to
love, the power to forgive, thepower to overlook an offense,
the power to be compassionatewhen you would much rather turn
and go the other way.
No, that's power.
So I just believe diligentlyseeking the Lord changes
everything about how you liveyour life.
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And people will take notice.
Yes.
Yes.
They will.
You can't miss it.
You can't miss it whensomeone's diligently seeking the
Lord.
Daniel Moore (14:30):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (14:31):
And it's not because they're holding up a
sign that says, I diligentlyseek the Lord every day.
You just see it in their life.
Daniel Moore (14:38):
Right.
Kim McIntire (14:38):
It's powerful.
Daniel Moore (14:39):
Yeah, it's it's a lot like you know, being a true
leader.
Uh, when you're a true leader,you lead by influence.
Kim McIntire (14:46):
That's right.
Daniel Moore (14:46):
You don't crack the whip and be the, you know,
bossy and that kind of thing.
There are leaders out therethat are like that.
Kim McIntire (14:52):
Oh, sure.
Daniel Moore (14:53):
But a true leader leads by influence.
If they have a good influenceon the people that's around
them, then those people aregoing to be more likely to
follow their lead.
And, you know, that's when whenit comes to God, that's how I
kind of look at that, becauseJesus was our biggest influence.
He is our influence.
Yeah.
You know, he set that pathbefore us.
Amen.
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He gave us that example.
And I think that, you know, ifwe if we keep our eyes on him
and we follow that path thathe's laid out there before us,
then you can't go wrong.
Kim McIntire (15:24):
So true.
Daniel Moore (15:24):
And you're you're only going to want to get dig to
dig deeper.
You're only going to want toknow more and more about who he
is.
And, you know, I know there'smany times that you've
emphasized that intimacy withGod is not just for a select
few, but for anyone who's hungryfor God.
Why do you think so manyChristians still feel like
closeness with God is so out oftheir reach?
Kim McIntire (15:48):
I think that I know the answer to this, this,
but I also think there are somequestion marks because there's
not a one size fits all on whyit's a struggle or why few
people think it's unattainable.
But I feel like a lot of peoplejust don't want to pay the c
the cost.
And the cost is time.
And this is not legalistic.
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It's not legalistic to have aheart posture that says, I'm
going to devote this block oftime to be alone with the Lord.
That's not legalistic.
Unfortunately, some people leaninto if you think you have to
have a set time to be with theLord, you can get into legalism.
But the truth is, if you lovesomeone and you desire time with
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them, you make it a priorityand a focus of your life.
I talk to my husband every day.
If one of us is out of town forwhatever reason, we still talk.
Daniel Moore (16:47):
Right.
Kim McIntire (16:47):
Yeah.
Even if one of us is gone.
Daniel Moore (16:50):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (16:51):
And so the cost is time.
Daniel Moore (16:53):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (16:54):
And it's not unattainable.
I believe anyone hungry for Godcan get as much of God as they
are willing to invest time togain that feeling, that
satisfaction.
He says he desires, hesatisfies our desires with good
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things.
So our youth is renewed likethe eagle.
But the way he satisfies us isthrough the time we spend with
him, where he's pouring in tous.
Daniel Moore (17:26):
Right.
Kim McIntire (17:26):
And our spiritual hunger is then filled.
So we're not going aroundstarving spiritually because we
have been filled by him andsatisfied by him.
Just like if I love bread.
And so I feel very satisfiedwhen I eat a really good piece
of bread or roll or whatever.
I mean, the same is true withspiritual satisfaction.
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He is the living bread.
Yeah.
And he fills me.
And the more hungry I get, themore, the more he fills me up.
But it does take time.
And I'll tell you, I would Iwould argue against anyone who
would say that's not absolutelyessential in a relationship with
Jesus.
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It just is.
Daniel Moore (18:09):
It is.
Kim McIntire (18:10):
It really is.
A relationship.
I'm not talking about beingsaved.
I'm talking about a personal,intimate relationship where you
are growing and he is fillingyou so you can pour out.
Because if he's not fillingyou, I promise you have nothing
to give to others.
Yes.
Yes.
He's the source of what we pourout.
Daniel Moore (18:29):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
So good.
And you know, Michelle and Italk a lot about in our our
marriage episodes, we've talkedabout it many times, that even
in marriages, like youmentioned, you and your husband,
you know, Michelle and I, weyou have to carve that time out.
You do.
Whether if you feel like you'regot too much going on or
whatever, that's not in even inthe equation.
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Right.
You have to have that time,that intimate time with each
other in order to make sure thatthat relationship flourishes
and it continues to grow.
And who do we get that from?
We get that because we'vewatched the example that God's
given us.
That Jesus has given us.
And we know that just like yousaid, if we don't carve that
time out for God, then we'renever gonna grow.
Kim McIntire (19:12):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (19:12):
We're never gonna draw closer to that.
Kim McIntire (19:14):
It's true.
And the beautiful thing is thatI think some people don't
understand is that time canliterally start with 10 minutes.
Yeah.
And I would even say for somepeople, maybe five.
Yeah.
Because some people haveattention issues, and that
really is a struggle for them tofocus.
But any time you devote towhere you're like, I'm going to
spend five minutes reading achapter and then I'm going to
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pray.
Or 10 minutes reading a chapterand then I'm going to pray.
God will meet you there.
Daniel Moore (19:42):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (19:43):
And then over time you get hungry for more.
I mean, it that's what God didfor me.
Hallelujah.
Daniel Moore (19:48):
That's right.
Intentional baby steps.
Michelle Moore (19:50):
Yes.
And I wanted to make thecomment, you know, going through
a couple of weeks of your studyand stuff like that, if you're
reading a chapter and you'velistened to The podcasts rise up
and you've had your group onthere and how they go dissect
that actual pair or thatchapter.
Kim McIntire (20:08):
The chapter.
Yeah.
Breaking it down.
Michelle Moore (20:10):
It is amazing because what you are reading and
what you're getting from Godthat you're needing to see out
of it.
And you if you go back andlisten to that, uh, the podcast,
it actually each individualperson had something different
to say.
It's true.
And God, He He puts everythingin the words in front of you,
but yet what you need, you'regonna receive.
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Yeah.
And it's even made me dive alittle bit more, like just
seeing it in a different view ofwhen I did your study.
I mean, I was like, wow, thisis like, hey, it makes you
really think.
It's not just reading.
Yeah.
It makes you dive into it.
And it's like, okay, what do Ineed to know today?
Kim McIntire (20:50):
And it's so personal that way.
Michelle Moore (20:52):
Yeah.
So personal.
And each time you guys go back,you're like, you can read it
over and over, and each timeyou're gonna get something
different.
It's true.
So good point.
Thank you for bringing that up.
Daniel Moore (21:02):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Michelle Moore (21:03):
Yeah.
So abide is such a richbiblical word.
So, what does abiding in Christmean to you personally?
Kim McIntire (21:14):
Well, the example Jesus used in John 15 was the
vine and the branch.
And a vine and a branch areconnected.
There's not a disconnect.
If there is a disconnect, thebranch is going to die.
Yes.
Daniel Moore (21:30):
Exactly.
Kim McIntire (21:30):
So the branch can only live and be healthy and
thrive and grow when it staysconnected.
So what I know is for my life,as I stay connected to Jesus
through the word and prayer andpraise, and that's really the
principles of abide, the study Iwrote.
When I stay connected throughthose really gifts God gave us,
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I grow.
Yeah.
I'm healthier in my mind, in mybody, in my spirit, in my
relationships.
I can actually bring somethingto others, right?
So branches bear fruit.
Daniel Moore (22:15):
Right.
Kim McIntire (22:15):
And it's not me.
I want to be really clear.
This isn't about Kim, but abranch connected to the vine, a
person connected to Jesus Christwho stays connected through the
word, prayer, and praise andservice.
They will bear fruit becauseGod says they will.
So to me, abiding in him isthat connection.
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It's it's again, it goes backto the time element.
It's a relationship that's I'minvesting in and God's investing
in me.
It's reciprocal.
Yeah.
It's not one-sided.
Because God's always going todo his part.
He's never going to not do hispart in his pursuit of his
people.
Right.
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But the problem is the pe ourus, we as people, God's people,
we don't always pursue him.
Yeah.
And that's when the branch getsdry.
That's when the branch mightget disconnected.
That's when the branch nolonger bears fruit that
glorifies the Father.
So abiding to me is all aboutthat vine in the branch, and
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it's an investment of time andlove.
Love, like loving God.
He already loves us.
We want to love him back.
And I can't help but love himwhen I read his word and pray
because there's so much, likeyou said, personal.
He's speaking it to me.
Daniel Moore (23:33):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (23:33):
You know?
Daniel Moore (23:34):
Yeah.
And I think something toremember about the word abide,
it's kind of like when you lovesomeone or having faith.
It's an ongoing Yeah.
Kim McIntire (23:42):
It's it's action.
Daniel Moore (23:43):
It's a continual action.
It's a verb.
Yes.
Kim McIntire (23:46):
It's a verb.
Daniel Moore (23:47):
It's not a one moment for a second thing and
then you're done.
Right.
When when Jesus, when he saysto abide in me, that's a
continual thing for the rest ofour life that he wants us to do.
Yes.
He wants us to be there withhim moment by moment, day by
day, just drinking in hisgoodness and everything that he
has for us.
And I think so many times whenwe read that scripture, and
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because I've been guilty of itmyself in the past, I just
superficially read over thescripture real fast, you know,
abiding Jesus and you know, findthe branches and all this
stuff.
Just kind of read through itreal fast.
And we really forget the depthof what that really means.
Yeah.
You know, and the uh dedicationthat it's gonna cause us.
We're gonna have to break downsome strongholds, we're gonna
have to break down some walls.
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We're gonna have to do somethings to be intentional to make
sure that we have thatconnection, like you're talking
about.
If uh if we're the branches andhe's the vine, we have to stay
connected to that.
Michelle Moore (24:42):
Like you said, if we don't know how just did
that anal well, it's not reallyanalogy, it's it's the truth.
You know, I mean if you don'tget stay connected, you dry up.
And that that spoke to me likea lot of people.
Kim McIntire (24:55):
Well, I'll just tell you, I can speak to that
because I've been the per I'vebeen that person who was dried
up.
I mean, I have in seasons oflife, yeah, you know.
And so that's why it's anongoing and has to be
intentional.
And I will say this too thereare times I'm just taking a walk
with the Lord and I'm just withhim.
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And I'm not necessarily readingthe Bible, I'm not necessarily
praying or listening to worship,but it's still so very
personal.
Yeah.
And I think it looks there aredifferent layers to it, but if
I'm not in the word, how do Iknow his voice?
So the word is is to mefoundational for everything when
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it comes to abiding in him.
Because I want to know theshepherd's voice, and the
clearest way God speaks isthrough his word.
Daniel Moore (25:46):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (25:46):
I mean, it is.
It is.
And when people tell me theydon't hear God speak, I quickly
say, Would you just share withme a little bit about what does
your time in the Bible looklike?
You know, how often are youreading?
And a lot of times they'll say,Well, maybe, you know, once a
week or may always at church, orwell, the there are statistics
out there, and you can Googlethis, everyone.
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Someone just spoke about thisat a church a few weeks ago that
my husband went to a a men'sBible study, and and he said it
was interesting because theywere saying if you only take,
you know, one day a week thatyou're in the Word, it will have
very little effect or impact.
Two, it's a little more.
Three, it's more, four or fivedays, there's a significant
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impact.
And beyond that, it'sexponential.
Daniel Moore (26:33):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (26:34):
So God's word is his voice, and if he's speaking
to you and you're listening, ohmy, your life is going to
change.
Daniel Moore (26:40):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (26:40):
Yeah.
And that doesn't meaneverything's perfect, but it
will impact you.
Daniel Moore (26:44):
Yeah.
We got to train our minds.
Kim McIntire (26:47):
Oh, and it renews.
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (26:49):
Everything they say practice makes perfect.
And you know, there's a lot oftruth to that.
And that comes to God's wordand prayer and everything.
If we practice reading the wordand we practice praying like
we're supposed to on thatcontinual basis and having that
relationship with God, then wedo start hearing his voice.
He will speak to us because themore you talk to it's just like
a regular relationship.
The more you talk to the personthat's closest to you, the
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better you get to know them.
The more you have to talkabout, you know.
Yeah, that's true.
And so that's the same situationwith God.
If we continually have thatrelationship with Him and that
communication, then we get toknow each other more and more
and more and more.
And there's so much to God toknow, we'll never know it all.
Kim McIntire (27:25):
That's true.
Daniel Moore (27:25):
So we we have no excuse to say, oh, well, I've
already I've got it all figuredout and I'm done.
No, that doesn't happen.
You know, there's there's justa forever thing there uh to
God's goodness and who he is.
And so uh so this book thatyou've written, uh, like I was
talking earlier, you've writtenanother book also.
How is this one different fromyour first one?
Kim McIntire (27:48):
Well, the first one talks about um a few of the
key words that I use as I readthe Bible.
Um abiding conversations isreally a prayer journal that I
wrote as I read through the bookof John and responded to God's
voice.
It's very personal, it's myheart on paper.
Um the book I wrote, thisrecent book, is a Bible study
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format, and it's differentbecause it's not a prayer
journal.
Um, every lesson has atestimony, a personal testimony
from my life.
Um each chapter is based on achapter of the Bible that has
significantly impacted me intransformational ways.
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Um, and there's always aworship segment to it, there's a
prayer segment, um, and then astudy segment where you're using
keywords to ask questions asyou read the Bible.
So the the big difference isabiding conversations really is
a prayer journal.
And this is more a guide forhow to connect with the Lord in
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a personal way to hear his voiceand how reading the word can
drive you to deep, deeper placesof prayer.
Daniel Moore (29:04):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (29:05):
And God's taught me a lot about prayer.
So every chapter has a way theLord has taught me to pray that
is probably out of the box formost people, but it was birthed
in my prayer closet.
And I've taken I've stepped outon a limb and I've shared those
personal moments in the book.
And I've had people who'vetaken the class say, I don't
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pray the same anymore since Itook your classes.
And I taught classes for twoyears before the book came out.
So a lot of people have gonethrough it and I've had the joy
of hearing feedback.
Good and bad.
So, you know, good, like, oh,this is really people are
grabbing this, and then maybenot so good in ways, okay, this
isn't maybe clear and I need toclarify or, you know, right,
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make it present it differently.
Yeah.
So that's the beauty ofteaching it before you before
you publish it.
Daniel Moore (29:54):
Yeah.
And this book is pretty wellself-contained with it's got
everything in it that you need.
It's got the the keywords uhthat you'll be utilizing when
you go through the little thechapters for the studies and
kind of walk us through uh oneof these chapters here.
We can just do lesson one onpage 19 there, I guess.
Kim McIntire (30:13):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (30:13):
Uh I notice, you know, each one has a uh a
format.
Right.
And they're all kind offormatted the same way.
There's a song, passage,keywords, prayer practice.
Just kind of walk through that,you know, real quick and kind
of explain why you laid thosechapters out that way.
Sure.
And the intention there.
Kim McIntire (30:29):
Um so we open class with a worship song
because I feel like, you know,God's very clear.
We enter his presence withthanksgiving and his courts with
praise.
So I always open with a worshipsong.
And I encourage people whenyou're spending time with the
Lord, start with a song.
Daniel Moore (30:47):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (30:47):
Start even if it's just from your heart, doesn't
have to be on the on yourplaylist, you know.
And then after we do that, weopen the word and we dig into
the passage.
We read that together, and thenwe ask some questions.
Lord, what do you want me toknow?
You know, that's always thefoundational question.
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And we talk about it in class,and there's a place to respond
in the in the book where you canwrite out your responses.
Um, there's also a testimony,like I said, a personal
testimony, and at the end, aprayer practice.
The lesson one has a prayerpractice called Victory Prayers,
and it's about how one day Iwas just feeling so discouraged
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and just overwhelmed anddesperate for God to move.
And I'm on my I'm on my kneesand I'm crying out to God, and
I'm just like, Lord, I need youto change this.
I need you to move.
I'm desperate.
And the Lord was like, I wantyou to just get up and start
shouting victory.
Victory over this, and I'm notgonna say because it was
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personal in my family.
Daniel Moore (31:52):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (31:53):
And I was like, okay, I will do that.
And you know what?
I went from desperate andbeyond a mess on the floor,
which we there needs to be timesthat we're on the floor before
the Lord crying out.
I'm not diminishing orminimizing that, but the Lord
wanted me to grab onto hope.
And He turned despair to hopethrough me just getting up and
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just declaring victory over myfamily.
And that's a way people don'talways recognize sometimes a
prayer looks like a victoryshout.
Daniel Moore (32:26):
Right.
Kim McIntire (32:27):
Sometimes it's not head bowed on the floor crying.
Sometimes it's I'm standing upand I'm gonna march and I'm
gonna say victory and I'm gonnashout because that's how the
Jericho walls came down.
Right.
And the Lord's like, if youwant the walls to come down, get
up and shout and march aroundthis room.
And so you know what?
I did.
And I didn't care if I lookedlike a fool.
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I'll be a fool for Jesus anyday.
Daniel Moore (32:50):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (32:51):
But the peace of God and the hope of God and the
joy of the Lord just washed overme.
And I'm like, I have to sharethis with people.
Yeah.
There is somebody listeningright now.
They feel overwhelmed anddiscouraged, like there's no
hope.
That is a lie of Satan.
Yes.
You know, get get some get someuh wherewithal, some
determination, and take yourstand against the devil and
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shout victory.
Yes.
And don't, it doesn't matterwho's listening.
God is the God's the audienceof one we should be living for,
right?
Daniel Moore (33:22):
That's right.
Kim McIntire (33:22):
Okay, I can preach, so I'll stop.
Daniel Moore (33:24):
I was just getting into it here.
Kim McIntire (33:27):
I was like, We got another hour.
But I'm just I'm just sayinglike that is an example of that
the Lord has met me in somereally desperate times.
Daniel Moore (33:36):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:36):
And he's whispered things to me that have become
ways that I pray that look sodifferent than a few years ago.
Daniel Moore (33:44):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:44):
And I tell you, I I have a lot more fun praying
now too, because it's excitingwhen you start shouting victory.
Daniel Moore (33:49):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (33:50):
The Lord stirs up your spirit, and I guarantee you
the devil gets really unhappyand he leaves because he can't
stand it.
That's right.
So pretty soon he's gone, andthe glory of the Lord is in the
room, and I just get to be inhis presence.
Hallelujah.
That's right.
Daniel Moore (34:06):
Well, prayer is just like reading the word.
Kim McIntire (34:08):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (34:08):
Uh when you read the word, there's many different
ways that you can read it,there's many ways you can study
it, there's many ways that Godwill speak to you through it.
Yeah.
When it comes to prayer,there's prayers of lament,
there's prayers of praise,there's prayers of supplication,
there's prayers of action.
I mean, there's all thesedifferent ways.
You know, us as we grow up,especially again, this comes
back to if you're going to makeyour life a living sacrifice to
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God, where you're going tocontinually pray and read His
Word and make that a big part ofyour life each and every day,
then you're going to progress inthis a lot quicker.
But for the person that doesnot do that, the person, the
biannual Bible reader, biannualprayer warrior, you know.
These people that are Sundayprayer warriors, you know, the
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people that just save it fortheir, you know, they don't do
anything in between.
Kim McIntire (34:56):
The Sunday experience.
Daniel Moore (34:57):
Exactly.
Kim McIntire (34:58):
Yeah.
Daniel Moore (34:58):
Uh you're you're gonna find that a lot of those
people they pray the same exactway all the time.
They 'cause they don't know anydifferent.
You know, they've neverventured out to experience God
in a true way, the way that Hewants us to experience, and to
understand that there's manydifferent ways that we can pray
to Him.
Yeah and ask for things orworship Him and thank Him for
things.
There's just so much more tothat, but you'll never know
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until you make it a practice inyour life and abide.
Kim McIntire (35:25):
That's true.
Daniel Moore (35:26):
Just like these your books that you've written,
you've you've got to make beintentional with that.
That's true.
And make sure that you abide inHim constantly.
Kim McIntire (35:33):
It changes everything.
Daniel Moore (35:34):
It changes everything.
It truly does.
Uh we're gonna go ahead andwrap this up here in just a in
about a minute or so here, acouple minutes.
Um as we go, if someone onlyremembered one lesson from
Abide, what would you hope thatthat would be?
Kim McIntire (35:48):
Well, but I talked about time earlier.
And in one of the lessons, Iask the students, what is your
most valuable relationship?
And I would just ask them tothink about that person and put
that person in their mind.
And so once they have thatperson identified, I say, what
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makes that person the mostvaluable person in your life?
And then they think about that.
And then I ask them, okay,we're gonna go around the circle
and just tell me what makesthat relationship so special.
And so they share, and there'sa lot of different ideas, but
I've taught this so many timesthat I narrowed it down when I
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wrote the book to a few.
And so one is they give metime.
The other one was it's valuablebecause the relationship isn't
one-sided, it's both give andtake.
The other was encouragement.
I feel really encouraged whenI'm with them, and I think
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they're encouraged when they'rewith me.
Another was accountability.
They would say, This personholds me accountable, and I know
it's because they love me, andI try to hold them accountable.
And then this one I love thisone.
The other was listening.
This person listens to me withintention, and I try to listen
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when they speak.
Daniel Moore (37:17):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (37:17):
So do you see this reciprocal, mutual, relational?
That's really what makes humanrelationships so valuable.
Two more.
One is present.
When you're together, you're inthe moment and not distracted,
and then trust.
That's pretty obvious, right?
So then I ask this question Isthis the way you value your
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relationship with the Lord?
And is this the way youfunction in your relationship
with the Lord?
And then I say, time.
You know, be honest.
Are you giving time to theLord?
Because He's giving time toyou.
Daniel Moore (37:55):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (37:56):
He's available 24-7 every day of the year.
Then I say, Is it mutual?
Do you receive from the Lordand then pour out to someone
else?
Because that's the way our lifein Christ should work.
When he pours in, we are thenpouring out into others around
us.
Daniel Moore (38:14):
Right.
Kim McIntire (38:14):
The other one is encouragement.
Basically, I took everythingthey said and I turned it back
to reflect on relationship withGod.
Is your time with himencouraging to you?
Because I guarantee it'sencouraging to him.
Daniel Moore (38:28):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (38:28):
He wants us to bless him as well, right?
Daniel Moore (38:30):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (38:31):
And then accountability.
Do you allow God to hold youaccountable by responding to
conviction and correction?
Daniel Moore (38:38):
Yeah, that's good.
Kim McIntire (38:39):
And then I end with this listening.
Do you listen to the Lordthrough his word and prayer?
Or are you the one who's doingall the talking?
Because if you treated yourmost valuable human relationship
that way, if you treated yourhusband or your closest friend
in a way that you do all thetalking and they never have you
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never give them an opportunityto speak, that person would
probably not be around for verylong.
Daniel Moore (39:07):
Yes, probably.
Kim McIntire (39:08):
And that is the most eye-opening exercise that
we do.
It's from lesson, and there's alot more to that in the book,
but it's lesson six.
But I think I've had so manypeople say that really opened my
eyes to the point of I givetime to my husband or my
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children or my best friend or mywhatever golf club team.
Daniel Moore (39:35):
Yeah.
Kim McIntire (39:36):
But I'm not even thinking about treating the Lord
in the same with the sameregard and respect.
And how much more should we betreating the Lord with that kind
of love and consideration andrespect?
I mean, he he deserves so muchmore than the people in our
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lives deserve.
And I mean we should alwayslove and respect and treat
people well.
That's not what I mean.
You know what I'm saying?
But the first command is lovethe Lord your God with all your
heart, soul, mind, and strength,and love others as you love
yourself.
So that would be my takeaway,Daniel.
If I would say there's onepoint that I would drive home
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from abide, if you live yourlife in that way, you will abide
in Christ and He will abide inyou.
Oh, so good.
Thank you.
Oh my God.
I'm so honored to be heretoday.
Just pumped up now.
Daniel Moore (40:33):
The thing we have to remember is God is more
invested in us than we are.
Kim McIntire (40:37):
Yeah, it's true.
Daniel Moore (40:38):
And we have to remember that.
Yes.
Amen.
If He would have stopped at thecross, and all we had, you
know, if we were standing therestaring at the cross and that's
all we had to look at.
Yeah.
Imagine how bleak that wouldbe.
You know, how disturbing thatwould be.
Kim McIntire (40:52):
Wow.
Daniel Moore (40:52):
But no, if we turn around and look the other
direction, we see theresurrection.
Amen.
That's the light.
Amen.
That's the true cost of what hegave just to save our lives.
Praise the Lord.
And I think that everythingthat you just said, uh, we owe
that all to him.
Kim McIntire (41:10):
All of it.
And more.
And more, yes.
More.
Daniel Moore (41:12):
We'll never pay him back for what he's done for
us.
Not a million years would weever do that.
Kim McIntire (41:17):
It's true.
Daniel Moore (41:17):
And so that's the you've gave given us a lot of
good things to think about.
Kim McIntire (41:22):
Thank you so much.
Daniel Moore (41:23):
Go get this book.
This book is awesome.
Kim McIntire (41:26):
I would be honored for anyone to buy that and to
tell us how we can get it.
It's available on Amazon.
It's available on Barnes andNoble.
And just be so honored foranyone to read it.
Daniel Moore (41:38):
Yep.
It's gonna it'll be a blessing.
Kim McIntire (41:40):
Yeah, if you can do it alone or with a group of
people, it's better in a group,it's better in community.
Daniel Moore (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, it does, it it is uh formatted to
be a very good group study.
Kim McIntire (41:53):
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