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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
But did it was position He's a powerful guy, so
they a lot of people position themself to him as friends.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, but it's like.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
The federal law enforcement agents have raided properties owned by
the musician and producer Sean did he comes?

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Did he's persona change? Like the way people view him?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like, I mean, if we're gonna talk about that, you
gotta go down a rabbit hole of Bill Cosby, Bill
Cosby Wance of beloved TV Dad and Tonight and Judge
now determining.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
That he is a sexually violent predator.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Where all his industry buddies at all the people that
made money with him made music with him?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I mean, are them his buddies or his business partners?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
My man?

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Just a business don they We're seeing that large presidence.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It was a very important person at a streaming service,
and I kept hearing everybody record was breaking because this
person was putting them on a specific plates.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Now niggas want allure me to death. Loan exactly, my man.

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Speaker 3 (02:33):
I was born ready on fish and spaghetti.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Excuse it. I don't know, and we record now, so
like these.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Are it's it's it's it's something out there though, man
like uh chance the rapper went crazy with the brands. Yeah,
Vince Staples, he go crazy with the brands.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't know, though, Vince, I don't know if it's
go crazy like I know he do the Netflix thing.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
He got some big brands. No, certainly talking about Big.
I'm talking about you everywhere.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
And Big got to gotcha.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's just that's more than Jesse being a circumstance, whereas
it's like yore gonna plug with Netflix, unplugged with and
not that you know it's a comparison, but I think
it's more so highlighting your ability to navigate the industry
for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And everybody path is different, right, you know what I mean?
Everybody path is different For me personally, I started like
really rocking with the brands during the pandemic. Right, so
you gotta think I get signed in November twenty nineteen, Right,
I get signed to Atlantic. Shout out the Dallas martin

(03:52):
my head and nor He in the next room. But
I get signed November twenty nineteen. We in the studio
for four months straight. We released the first single, March
I Want to Say March eighth, twenty twenty. Pandemics started
three days later, and a fresh deal, A fresh deal,
Fresh deal. So that happens. I dropped another song called

(04:18):
Birds in the Bando and things wasn't reacting because the
world was just in this crazy space where nobody knew
what was going on like that. So I just started
getting on Instagram. I started getting on Instagram and I
just started rapping bro like fa. I remember Fab had
a Cold Summer Challenge. I did that and just Little

(04:39):
Baby had dropped We Paid, and that was one of
my favorite songs at the time. So I rapped on
that and Snoop reposted it man the next day while
and Gil was out here filming. They called me and
was like, pull up on us. We started rapping. They
posted the next day. So I just started getting a
lot of coverage for rapping, right. So when I started
noticing that, I'm like, man, maybe this is something I

(05:00):
could do during this time right now where things is
shut down.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So that's the innovation though, Yeah, and that's that Swiss
army knife. Yeah, because what if you were only a
record kind.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Of guy, I would have been stuck in that space.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And also look at look at what that does to
the labels business perspective. We just dumped some money into
this guy. Hit it didn't react. Hit it might not react. Yeah,
we gonna pull back at some point. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. But you started to put more irons
in the.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Fire exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I kept going so through me moving around and wrap it,
I'm like, man, I need to go to a bigger
platform and rap than just Instagram. So I went to
the La Leakers and that was the day they kind
of changed everything for me. When I dropped the La
Leakers freestyle, Lebron posted it thirty minutes later, and I
think I had like one hundred thousand followers.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And have you ever asked Lebron how you got on
his radar? How you get on Draymond ray?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Though?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
See this is what the young creators underust gotta they.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Don't know that.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yo, you're not gonna get the Lebron Like.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I love that question because my guy right here, we
was just talking at lunch the other day and I
was like, Bro, I hate when I watched certain things
and everybody got the cliche ass question that doesn't explain
how things fully on the phone, you know what I mean.
So I love that. So I'm gonna break the whole
thing down. I guess signed Dallas my A and R.

(06:34):
That's from Atlantic Records, right, He's from Flint, Michigan. Draymond's
from Michigan. He has a friend named Blenning, right, and
they have a mutual friend. Blenning and Draymond always came
to the studio. So when Dallas first started putting me
in the lab every day, they just pulling up, Man,
they just pulling up. So I'm in there rapping and

(06:56):
were just having conversations, just kicking it, having conversation. And
that led to me going to games, you know what
I mean, seeing him at the games, being out seeing him,
meeting Rich Paul, you know what I mean, Different things
like that. So I never had met Bron yet. But
by the time that freestyle happened, Draymond had already sent

(07:18):
like four of my songs to Bron, like little Homie tough,
like I rock with Bro like this the homie check
him out, check him out, check him out. So when
the freestyle happened, Bron it kind of already knew about
me and was kind of rocking with me a little bit.
Reposted the freestyle Bro, and it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
But see, I can relate to that too because I'm
in the game. But the young creators coming up, yeah,
they are being Lebron d m Yeah, check mout, family,
check out.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
That ain't the way that goes. That ain't the way
that I give you a quick story. I remember coming
up right. I'm not going to say the person's name
because I don't know if they're married or not at
the moment, and I don't want to ruin anything, But
there was a very important person at a streaming service
right when I before I got my deal. I'm talking

(08:08):
like twenty eighteen. I'm trying to figure out a way
to even get on the radar of getting a deal, right,
you know what I mean. That's another thing like artists
like y'all gotta understand. It ain't that people not fucking
with y'all. Y'all just not on people's radar exactly. You
know what I mean, Like y'all could feel like, oh,
he hating on me, or he cock blocking or he

(08:30):
ignoring me, or he you fe me like he don't
want to see me win. It's like, bro, he might
be on a boat somewhere. You're not even crossing his timeline,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
There's there's really when you get to a certain level,
and this is important, man, y'all gotta tap into this.
When you get to a certain level, not like one
of us, it's even hard to get to us, but
when you on a Lebron or bro qcp bro Wallo,
in of these kind of level, it's just no way
to get directly to It's no way You're gonna have

(09:01):
to be put on to them by someone in their circle.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So back to the story I was telling, right, I
was saying all that to say, here's how I got
on the radar before I even got a chance to
get a meeting to get a deal. It was a
very important person at a streaming service, and I kept
hearing everybody Records was breaking because this person was putting
them on a specific playlist right, And I'm like, man,

(09:26):
how can I get this person to hear my music?
Because I had a song at the time that was
real catchy and I felt like it fit that playlist right.
So I'm like, how could I get this person to
hear my music? So I went to his page and
I looked at who he followed, and I noticed he
followed a lot of women, right, So I started dming

(09:48):
the women he followed and was like, Yo, I give
you twenty dollars if you post my song on your story.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
This is the game.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I give you forty dollars if you post my song
on your story. So he started then all the women
on his timeline posting the song. Two weeks later, the
song got added to the playlist exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And this is the fucking innovation you gotta have when
you're coming from nothing. These are the stories of the
guys that had to crawl out the mud. These ain't
the guys that was lifted up. These are the stories
of the guys that had to crawl.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
And shout out to those who have been lifted up.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Facts because it's hard climbing out the mud and sometimes
niggas need a hand, you know what I mean. Ain't
nothing wrong with getting help, you know what I mean,
So shout out to the people that.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Is more outlift.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
It is more often that you're not gonna get the
help into the help is just beneficial, mutually beneficial.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And so even in that moment you're getting added on
that playlist, wasn't a mutually beneficial situation?

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right, So when we talk about getting on people radars,
this has to be a situation where you they really
get nothing for fucking with you in that moment. But
you gotta be organically introduced because if he comes off
its Bro, I'll tell you what just happened to me.
I hire someone, and I'll keep the name out of here.
I hire someone because I don't reach out. I don't

(11:14):
know how to reach out for interviews. Like all my
interviews have came organically from baby anybody.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
It's just been like, Bro, I fuck with what you do.
I'm coming to that.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And so now I'm in the business, I'm operating with
two or three deals and I'm this is a serious thing.
So now I need to kind of forecast it a
little bit different and be a little more diligent with it.
I hire a guy, sent him a list of people
I want to get on the show. You know, I
can get in touch with anybody in this game me
by myself, like one call.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
And so I give him a few names. He reached
out to one and he hit me back.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I don't know how he reached out or what he
reached out, but he hit me back and he said, Yo, man,
they said they ain't doing doing the show.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
They don't do podcasts.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I said, you sure they know it's me because listen
the person I sent them to.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Every time I.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
See them, it is what it is. They stay reposting me,
they stay on comment. So something is off. And I'm
knowing this. I'm a street guy. I know this is
a slam dunk. This is this is a slam dunk
I'm sending you for. He comes back and said, many, Yeah.
I told him the name of the podcast. I said, okay, cool,
give me one second, yo, I need you to jump

(12:27):
on the show man our nigga. I've been waiting on
you to sit nigga.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I'm on too.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
I do it now.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I said, all right, cool, cool man, let's just lock
it in. I'm gonna put you on the phone with
I put him on the phone with the people that
I'm having, you know, schedules. I hear him back, Hey,
that's locked in. Same with people like sexy Rids. There's
certain people that I'm shooting.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Peer to peer.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Yeah, it's like that's literally a waste of money to me.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, now I feel you, bro, And it's we were
just talking about it, like it's it's hard to find that,
but it's like, at the rate you're moving, you need
that because it's like you can't always be the person
that got to reach out to get the interview. You
got too much going on in life in general. So
it's like your job should be to pull up and

(13:10):
do what you do.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Everything needs to be setting place for that to happen. Now.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
The problem with that is it takes time to find
the right people who's down to help you build that
out right. That's why I salute La Russell on his
team so much because it's like everybody's dedicated to a task.
The cameraman ain't coming around trying to be the rapper,
you know what I'm saying. The producer ain't trying to

(13:37):
be an influencer. We solely locked in on this. This
is what we're doing. It's very hard to find that
in this industry because everybody got a dream. Everybody got
a dream, bro, what everybody got a dream? And some
people started off wanting to be a rapper. I didn't
hire cameraman, bro. That's then God around me spent the
week with me and literally put the camera down, went

(14:00):
home and start rapping because they've seen what was going
on and they're like, Okay, he's doing this, this, this, this, that,
and the third The part that they forgot was you
still ain't.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Me exactly, still ain't me I get.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
You can get the saucest, you ain't got the recipe,
you know what I mean. So it's like sometimes people
waste so much time and life chasing things that's not
for them, you know what I mean, trying to live
up to others expectations, and for me personally, I've learned
that like.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
That shit's still your joy, it's still it stills.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
The hard work away from what you've put into it,
you know what I mean, Just to compare yourself to
somebody else, it's like.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
You know, I'm stuck in that though, man, like, because.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't know, man, like number one, I'm so grateful
to escape, right, and so I take it so serious.
And I think the business in some sort is competitive.
If the number some of these numbers are, it's driven
by the competitive nature of this thing, you know, And
and so sometimes I'm stuck in that, Like I still

(15:10):
ain't celebrated nothing, Bro.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
I done went through several I done.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Made a lot of money. You got to bro, I
celebrated one time. No, Bro, I used to do the
same thing. And what ends up happening is like you
drive yourself crazy because it's never enough.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like I want a number one record, or you
get number one record, You're like, I want number one album.
I want number one album. You get the number one album.
Now you're like, I want to want to grab me? Right?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
It never stops, right, it never.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
So how do you how do you stop and enjoy
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You gotta what I'm learning right on my journey because
I like to look at the industry as a skyscraper, right,
I like to look at it as a skyscraper. Niggas
like us, we didn't got past security and we on
the elevator. Fact it's a lot of niggas who ain't
got the address yet, you know what I mean. They
don't even know where the building is, you know what

(16:06):
i mean. We on the elevator on the way up.
So I like to say on my journey to let
people know I'm still climbing myself. So what I've learned
on my journey is you have to take time away
from you. I mean take time away for you for
sometimes you can't just like every day twenty four to seven,

(16:26):
just do this. You'll be disconnected. You'll drive yourself crazy.
You will miss things that's going on with your children,
things that's going on with your family, your friends, and
those things are who shape you into who you are
and mold your character to be able to go take
this thing on. So you can't forget those things. Like
I find myself at times when I'm stressing, I just

(16:47):
put to depend down and call my auntie and we
just talk about boxing for an hour, you know what
I'm saying. Or I call my mama and we just
talk about shit, or call one of the homies. But
it's like you need that time to yourself sometimes just
to reflect and appreciate the work you've put.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
In you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
I'm telling you, man, I be honest.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'm completely disconnected from everybody, everything, the hood, the niggas,
because like now, I'm just I'm by my mouth, chiir,
I'm on this journey. I'm just I'm on the voyage.
I ain't looking back, I ain't look it's lonely, it's
extremely lonely. But it's profitable, it's very profitable. And so

(17:32):
for me, I'm sacrificing that right because the overarching goal. Right,
I got a thing where I look at my little
boys and I say, dog, I don't know what happened,
but some clicked in my brain say, oh, this is
it for them.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Me.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
If I don't save them, they may not They may
not be saved. And I can't count on them to
have the thinking I got. That may not be another
person in my lineage with this thinking.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So here's the opportunity now for me to shake all
this up and make sure we good moving forward. And
so I just don't sacrifice personally, I don't sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I didn't been there, brought and lost.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I can show you a picture from a year and
a half ago with me and twenty two of my homies.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Going to a show. I probably talked to three of
them today. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I didn't sacrifice so many relationships, so much family just
to get to this point. And then seeing what it's
gonna take to get to the next level, you start
seeing like damn, like bru not ready, right, you know
what I mean, Like I gotta go here immediately, like
I gotta move in this window. You feel me and

(18:52):
I want to take you, but you're just not ready.
You're not and it's nothing I can do to prepare
you to get ready in this on because I've been
doing it, right, I didn't had you with me.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
We then moved around the world.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I'm teaching you what to do, you seeing other people
doing it, and you're still not ready. And that can
go vice versas in a relationship, right, you know what
I mean. Some people relationships get ruined in this industry
because it's like the wife or the husband might not
be ready to what comes with that next level.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's a lot in comedy.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Coming in Like I was, I had a situation, it
fell apart, Right, I'm not available in the same way,
not as patient. Probably I'm dealing with more. It's money involved.
I got people trying to steal my trade marks. I
got people sliding things in contracts. I'm in here with corporations,
me battling about my worth and the value of this

(19:51):
thing in the direction of the brain.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
To get off the phone or to get off these
means and deal with some of this low level things.
Becomes disrespectful to my partner because what's low level to
me is of the highest regards.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yep, same here, bro. I went to a situation. I
was out of town and I was supposed to go
eat with this chick. We was going to have dinner,
just kick it, you know, have a good night.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Aloradi and.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Somebody I did a song with that's a big artist
that I won't say right now, y'all hear.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
It on the new album.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
But someone was in town and they had a window
to finish this song that we was working on for
a few weeks. So I was like, damn, I gotta
go to the studio right So I call her. I'm like, yo,
I ain't gonna be able to you know.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Make it. Can we reschedule?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
You see how much time I put into this. I'm like,
you know how much time I put into this?

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Hell is you talking about?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
You talking about some makeup that took you thirty forty
five minutes?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Brain you feel next to this ship.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I've been doing this ship for years, trying to get
to this point. You think I'm a risk it for this.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Our date. I'm supposed to risk my whole life because
you got pretty tonight.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Man, you don't win crazy. Come on, man, you don't
win to.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Hurt but to her. Right from her perspective, that's what
it's rude, right right, I probably was rude. I probably
was wrong. Nah, she just in't consider it because or that.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
We gotta both. We gotta both considered. Like, consider my life.
Consider my lifestyle too. Now consider everything with me, not
just my time my time. A lot of people are
just considered your availability to.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Him and they take advantage of Man.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Consider my availability for my kids. This sometimes might get
in the way of my availability for you. You know
what I'm saying. Sometimes people don't even want to share people. Man,
It's like, damn, bro, I've been chasing this dream all
my life. Don't you brain your makeup.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Next to this?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
You bring it over to me? And bring it the
idea that you did that. Now I feel.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Played, Not even I feel played, I just know you
not ready.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I feel played because damn, you don't see what You
don't know what it took to get here.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's I understand what you're saying from that perspective, but
you gotta understand at some point we all realize, like
you know, they for the streets.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
So it's like you know what you're.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Doing right, yeah, And you ain't tricking me and you
ain't triggering me.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know what I'm saying. So why we ain't finish separate,
try to trick each other on it.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
We already know what it is, and let's keep it that.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Let's keep it that way so when something real happen,
we already know what what is you tripping like that, folks.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
We already know the game. We already know what it is.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Man.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Let the game be the game.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Let the game be the game.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Stop that, man, and see we we already I ain't
even introduced the part.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Welcome to It's Up that podcast.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
We got the talk your active attractive host for another
episode of the Fashion Going podcast in the market right
now I want to say welcome, thank you to each
and every person that has ever shared watch like come
in and involved being engaged with my content or with
this brother symbols content. Today we got somebody that I'm

(23:31):
a fan of that I called the boy the brand
man because when you look at him and his business,
what he's been able to do, I just think we
need to dive into it. And the day we're gonna
do that, we got some man. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Come on, what's up there? Man's pleasure to be here? Man,
Come on, brother.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
The game is the game. I love it. Man.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You know we're gonna have one of them conversations. We
already we already went went there.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
And that's the thing, bro.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Like, I think content, man, and it's so important, right.
I think there's a stickiness that's involved with content. There's
a jail, right that brings your fans closer to your movement.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Not just your music.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, because nowadays you have to be more than a rapper.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
You have to be more than that to your fans. Sir,
when did you.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Notice that content and just being more available on socials
was important to your overall thing?

Speaker 5 (24:30):
I know you spoke.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
About honestly, bro, Like, I'm not even trying to sound
like one of them narcissistic people, you know what I mean,
that's ahead of himself or be feeling themselves.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
But bruh, I seen where. I seen this in twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I've seen this in twenty ten, like just when cameras
started getting better on phones, you know what I mean.
You got to think we used to take a picture
on the phone and it was blurry. Once we started
getting them iPhone twos and threes and fours, it was
kind of like, oh damn, you know what I mean.
Then we got FaceTime, and so they start getting to

(25:13):
the point where I'm just seeing like, oh, it's gonna
get to a point to where it's like everybody's gonna
be their own network, and everybody's gonna be their own CNN.
Everybody's going to be able to talk to the people
that relate to them. So I've always seen it from
a while ago. I would say I started taking it
like real serious, probably probably around the pandemic. Around the

(25:40):
pandemic was when I was like, but I was already
posting things and like doing things and being active, you
know what I mean, and doing podcasts, me and Lewis
Belt had a podcast in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know what I mean. We were just talking about shit.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
We didn't even have no idea on We just knew
this where life was going, and we was willing to fail.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
So I was always trying things.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
But twenty twenty was when I started figuring out my
audience and start cultivating content specifically for my audience.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Did you panic when those two What was your thoughts, feelings,
emotions when you had just signed that record deal them
two songs was not working?

Speaker 5 (26:19):
What was the meetings like? What was the atmosphere with
the business?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, the good thing is I'm signed to a label
that's heavy into investing into the development process of artists.
So Atlantic is never the label that is going to
put two three songs out and expect it to be
a hit.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And if not, were done.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
With you, you.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Know what I mean. So they they though I don't
know if you can say that for everybody.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Atlantic ain't as patient.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Again, I believe they've been Swiss army knife because you're
viewed as a Swiss art.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I've seen them be patient with other people, not with everybody,
though I can't speak for everybody.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I can only speak for you have been.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So one hundred percent of the people that you've seen,
they've been patient with.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yes, okay, this participation from what I've seen.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
A man thundering.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
This ain't me pandering or nothing.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I've seen him be patient with people that's literally went
to the top of the game, came back down and
went to the top again. I've seen him be patient
with somebody as far as a Berner boy for six
years before Afrobeats was even clicking like that.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I didn't even know he was over there for six.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
They was there all the way up until last last.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
But I think, and this is a good conversation, I
think Berner board represents a unique market though so ad
from a laser.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Something new that takes time to build out.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
But but but just like you saw in twenty ten
that the phones was gonna affect the way the content
is going, they're forecasting as well, and so they understand
that that that worldwide market is developing even without their involvement.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
No for sure, right, so burn a boy checks a.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Box for them, no matter if he's profitable in this
moment or not.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
When we deal with rappers, they got a list of rap.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Niggas yeah, but it's also burn a boy's a risk
at the time that they signed.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
It, depending on the investment.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
What do you mean, I mean, how much of a
risk if they haven't got no real money tied into it.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But they put money into it to get it to
where it's not real. I'm not saying I'm talking about
saying the looting Grange package that that Kanye be talking about.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
One about the loosen Grains. Yeah, but one of them,
one of them record label. You know what the package
is though in the label.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I know.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I know.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Here's what I say, because people be having that whole
package and button thing miscrew, right, the whole package conversation
is a lot of that shit really be coming up
to your internal team and what you and your internal
team will come up with, meaning like, okay, let's take

(29:03):
someone like a Travis Scott. He has a Cactus Jack,
which is a team right right, So I'm pretty sure
like when you see his color waves for his Jordans,
his team is him and his team is sitting down
coming up with these things and then they're going to
Nike or going to whoever and saying this is what
we want to do, and then Nike calls their people

(29:26):
and they help pour gas and lean on the fire
that they created, you know what I'm saying. So when
people say the packaging, it's not like a label just
comes in and gives you your identity.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well they well, let's back up, because when we deal
with when we deal with that perspective, I think that's
more on the brand side.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
So I think we are a little.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Bit more influential and powerful when it comes to brand
recognition and what our brain is going to look like. Right,
But we're talking about the back end. So what I'm
speaking about when they talk by pressing a button or
the package, labels have now bought up all.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Of the digital real estate.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Right, So when you deal with Apple Music on these
front pages, some of these playlists, some of these this
is digital real estate that has been purchased by the labels,
which means that you can only get on here by
way of the labels.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's not necessarily true.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well now not necessarily, but from a market you have
a point because labels are connected to these services and
they do.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
They do have slots the same thing as radio, right,
but your music still gotta be good facts well, because
they can put you in that slot and people gonna
click that song, and if people don't rock with it,
that shit gonna start going like this until it makes
it out of the playlist in a week. So the
label could do everything we called Apple Music, you and

(30:55):
your team still gotta get in that motherfucker, so they
make something magic for it to stick up there.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
So you don't think that there's a Drake song or
some of these bigger artists songs like a Gunner song
or somebody that's a bigger artist that may be in
a time where it's unfavorable for them, but they're still
keeping it number one, two, three because they are associated
with a big label.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm saying, regardless, the song is still good, whether that's
going on or not. Regardless Gunner, Drake, whoever, gotta be good,
the music was still good enough for whatever they had
to do to keep it there. It's been records. I
didn't watch four or five million dollars going to and

(31:37):
it ain't work. People did not like it. So you
can't pay people to like.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Something, right, That's a fact, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
At the end of the day, they gotta like it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
But once you gunner enough people, right, so once your
brand becomes as big as a drake, and.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
When you become as big as a drake, now we're
talking Coca cola. So now you have a you have
a product that you know why it works. So you
just consistently create that product and give it to your audience.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Try to tap into it.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Now you might you might expand and make a vanilla
coke or cherry coke, you know what I mean. Which
maybe when we see the boy Drake do a record
with bad money and he's speaking in Spanish, you know
what I mean, he might expand to get this market
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
But the core of what he do right.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:27):
You know what the core what he doing?

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
So it's like, regardless if they're gonna put money or not,
people still gotta like it.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So do you think that a playlist will give a
signed artist? So you don't believe there's favoritism? Do you
believe that's favoritism from a record labels one thousand?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Okay, so that's I think.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Okay, So that speaks to there's different packages.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, but let's go and know why there's favoritism. Because
some artists teams are hard to work with. I've went
through that at times where I've had a team that
was hard to work with quote.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Unquote, right now, what does that look like?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
What? What meaning?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Were just not gonna meaning hard to work with?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Means like in the industry, sometimes we're not just gonna
take what y'all give.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Us, right, And that's fucked up? Did that mean that?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
You know?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
It's it's kind of like that.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
But then you got people who are like that but
don't necessarily know what the fuck they even want, so
they'll just be an asshole to be an asshole but
can't even give you. You're creating problems with no suits.
You're talking, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
it gets tricky.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
So on the label side, they might be like, all right,
you don't like what we said.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
What you got right, they don't got.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Y'all come up with a better idea. It's like, if
you don't like the idea, won't you hire the people
and get your staff together, and y'all put the idea together,
and then y'all come to the label and say, hey,
this is what we want to do because we didn't
like that last idea.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Y'all came and they're standing on bissiness.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
So it's it's some people that's teams that's hard to
work with. Some people. Some people don't appreciate what they're in. Meaning,
if I'm getting paid one hundred thousand for a show,
I bet not be late. Fuck, I better not show
up with fifty niggas smelling like marijuana and everybody drunk

(34:21):
and want to fight and sneaking guns in and they
just these people just paid you one hundred thousand dollars
to get up here for thirty minutes and wrap some songs.
I bet not come up in here late. So you
got people who go through that. You got people who
take big advances from labels, big advances from these festivals,
big advances from these brands, and go to jail in

(34:42):
two weeks, so you can't even fulfill your contract and
you know they ain't giving that back. You got people
who done got four five million for buyouts for their touring,
got killed, damn.

Speaker 3 (34:57):

Speaker 1 (34:58):
It's like, So it's sometimes things it's hard to work
with certain things, So people will say, hey, it's easier
to work with this person, so I'm gonna put more
of my energy into this person because I'm not going
through what I'm going through with this person over here
that may be more talent.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Makes sense, I mean, but damn yeah, that makes sense.
Nobody wants conflict, especially constant conflict.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Come on, especially people that went to school to do
a job. We're not talking about niggas that come from
environments like us.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
We can squabble, yeah, we're talking.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
About people that solely went to school to be an
an R or be a marketing person or whatever that
may be.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
You squabbling and that about to beat and can't tell
them what produce.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Them more on the shop with Come on, come on,
you can't even give them a video concept and you're
mad at all the treatments they sent you, you know
what I'm saying. So it's it gets tricky, man. But
then there's a reverse side to that. Sometimes you'll have
the artist that's very active and his team is very active,
and they doing a lot, and they shooting their own

(36:06):
videos and making their own music, and they bringing it
to the label, and because the label wasn't involved with everything,
they may say, oh, we feel you need that one
more hit, or we feel this can be better, or
this one can be shot better, or we can do
this better or whatever, and then they work their way
into the process and sometimes they help it become better.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
But they want to be that's what they're all being about.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
The main thing is like to make sure that we
get some points off of it, and to get points
off of it, you have to be involved in some way.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Or you I would say more than points.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I would say the main thing is at least give
us a chance to try to do our job.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Because if I have a publicist at a label and
then I go hire a publicist on my own right,
or if I have a marketing team at the label,
then I go high or my own marketing team. Essentially
my publishers and my marketing team is taking their job away.
So when these things are happening, they can't take the

(37:10):
credit for it, you know what I mean. So in
some form of fashion, they're saying, Okay, if you guys
got that, I might know somebody over here on this end,
let me help provide whatever this may be, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So, and but that's another thing though, because people like
us know how to kind of.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Work a room and work the building.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, that's that's that's a skill set to definitely building
to even know how to get next to the people
that handle me.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Definitely. I told you some people don't even know the address.
They don't even know that address business sign.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Some people that signed don't know how to.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Do because they came in with their homeboy that should
have left they ass in the car. So now you
in here loss with a whole bunch of opportunity in
front of you and don't know what to do with it.
Should have stayed your ass in the car. So now
your homidn went up and now you mad at him?

Speaker 5 (38:07):
You deal with that? Do you deal with that?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Nigga? What my whole twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Was that.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Lost three of the closest people to.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Me, not by death, by envy, damn and miscommunication. The
motherfucker's not being men literally bro going through it. And
it's nothing you could do for him. Because you could
buy a motherfucker house. They gonna say, he ain't get
the furniture. You could buy him a car. They gonna

(38:39):
say he ain't feel the tank up because you know why,
it ain't the car of the house.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
They won't. They want your life.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
They want your whole position.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
They want your position, and it's nothing you could do
about that. It's nothing they can do about that. So
the only thing to do is they in peace.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But but you know, how do you keep yourself from
engaging with that? Because what we come from it hurts
so bad. It ignites a reaction.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
You learn as you go.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So it's like, I mean, new people every day that
I see traits of my old friends in which teaches
me how to treat them. So now I know, okay,
you remind me of such and such. I'm not gonna
get too close to you. Right, We're gonna be party buddies. Right,
we're gonna be watching sports buddies, because if we start
doing business now, I gotta hold you accountable as my

(39:33):
business partner, which is gonna fuck up us watching sports together.
So let's just keep it at that, right, we don't
even need to get no money together.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Let's just be homies.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Because the minute we start getting some money together and
my cars start looking a little better than yours because
I didn't ran another play that you ain't think about
with minds, we're gonna start having some issues.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So you know what, let's just watch the game together, bro, that's.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
But you know, I think what you're describing is is
important because you're still able to separate these things. Yeah,
you know, that's a that's a skill set as well,
because on this journey you can get so locked in
that you blur all this shit. No real, you know
what I'm saying. All this shit is together. I do

(40:19):
business with my friends. These are the niggas I watch
sports with.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
These are the niggas. You know what I'm saying. This becomes.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
But you got to learn that. You don't know that
until you know that. I didn't just know this. Twenty
twenty three taught me what I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
But clearly I know it.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
But it's just that I think that the young people
watching need to understand.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Sure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
They have to understand how we even get here, right
because even with me, I'm dealing with a thing where
I don't want people to think I'm using them, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But here's the thing. It's okay to use.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
People I know, and that's what people telling me.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's just not okay to misuse.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You've been misused, yeah, and so y'all, and so for
that for that.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
It's making me be like, as I'm on this journey.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You don't want to do to nobody what's done y'a man.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Nobody feeling like like little baby and these niggas that
doesn't really poured into.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Me and help me QCP and these niggas.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It be on my conscience like Charloatmagne all these guys
wait be on my conscience to be like, hey, yo, man,
I appreciate y'all niggas for real because this shit saved
my life. I come out to darkness, my nigga. So
I'm saying it's something. It's something that's weighing on me.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I don't know, I don't know. I gotta shake it though.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It comes with growth, bro, you growing out of who
you used to be. Motherfuckers in our environments always tell
us stay the same, don't never change, stay the same.
That's because they want you sitting right there with them.
They old goddamn life. Some people is comfortable with knowing
they can possibly go to the next level. They don't
even want to attempt it. They comfortable with just knowing

(42:04):
I could rapt right, but they don't want to go
and if I'm met it, see I'm better than it.
But they don't want to work and prove it.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Come show me.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, some people is just cool with knowing they better,
you know what I mean, So we can't fault them.
We just gotta get away from you know what I mean,
and understand and find people that's on the journey with you.
That's like minds that see things that you see it
that can contribute to what you got going on.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
And that shit, it's some of the hardest.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Things to do because people people come disguised and skin bro.

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Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, you can't see through you know what's going So
you be you be.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You didn't hire the cameraman that's really only doing camera
work because he needs some money right now. But he
really a rapper. So now you bringing him to the
studio to do camera work. Now you done brought Buster
Rhymes to the studio and he don't put the camera.
Guys and all them and he want to play his music.
He and bust the ear trying to.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Rap and you know what bus to give him a
level of respect because he's with you, because he with you.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
And now you look like you like damn And see
that's my thing.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
And I just was telling you about the story with
Wallo up in Philly with my camera guy, and it's
like when they can peep something, It's like, Bro, they
only got you over here because of.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Me, because of me making me look making me.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Look wild, and they no home be by itself. He
wanted the realist niggas. Ever, so I got to think,
you want of the realist niggas out, and you ain't
earnt none of that. They done gave you that. That's
another reason why I don't have a lot of people around,
because so much come with being next to me.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
I'm talking about in the ghetto, man, nigga.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
So much come with being under me, my nigga. I'm
talking about these go far being under me.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Niggas.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
To take this name right here'll my nigga be all
in the ghetto doing shit, owing niggas money in it,
be a you know, running a monk.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
So it's so important to preserve this shit, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And that's that's another dipist be like man, it's so
it's rough man this shit gets so fucking rough on me.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's hard, bro, this shit gets rough.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It's tough, and it's it's fucked up because and I
always say this people probably heard me say this before,
but it's like when you dream, you dream with certain
people in mind, Like you see your friends there, like
you see the house you want for your mom and
all these things, and then when you start seeing, oh,
it's not gonna go that way with certain people, it's

(45:35):
the most hurtful thing, especially when it's about nothing but
envy or jealousy.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
So what what I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
What are people approaching you with unrealistic requests or what
what's causing the RIfS?

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Do they think you have what you don't have?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Not only that that was a problem in the beginning.
I used to deal with that a lot of like
people thinking I got way more money than I actually had.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I used to deal with that a lot. Yes, what
it is.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, now I'm kind of cool because I didn't eliminated
a lot of that shit out of my life. And
I don't even like entertain it no more. Like even
the people that we still cool through, I don't even
talk to them about them people no more. You know
what I'm saying, so it is what it is. Yeah,
So I think what it is is expectations. I think

(46:33):
people have these hitting expectations in their mind of what
they thought you were going to do for them, or
what they wanted you to do for them.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
And when you didn't do what they.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Wanted you to do, and you put them in a
position to work for what you for what they wanted,
it get tough. So it's like I had a homie
who got offered a job at a big label and
turned it down and told told the label I got
to be with them. What a homeie front of streets,

(47:05):
a nigga come from nothing. Person liked him at the
label Boooo, Man, we're gonna give you a job sixth
grand a month, and turned it down. You ain't even
come in two three times a week, boom boom. Find
this new talent, bring it in, boom boom. I gotta
be with him. Why I wish he was here to

(47:28):
ask them right? And the cold part about it, don't
even tell me. I found out from the person who
ended up getting the job that it was offered to
my homie.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
He didn't even tell me.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's how fucked up the shit get so it started
making you realize, Oh, you don't want to You don't
want to work for nothing. You want to be paid
to be a homeboy. You want me to pay you
to be a friend. You want me to pay you
to drive my car. Okay, I see what's going on.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
And that's that's a level of disrespect.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Go on tour. Two weeks later at bro, I got
a job for you.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
They gonna pay you three grand a week for the
next twelve weeks. Be at the airport tomorrow eight a m.
Missed the flight.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Yeah nah, it's over with.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I called him.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Hey, bruh, misus fight book him another one. They booked
him at ten thirty. Missed the flight.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
This can't be real.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Swear to God on my child.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Yeah nah, it's on my child. Nah man nah.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
And then it's and then it's niggas get back to
the neighborhood and they find the first ear that to listen. Oh, bruh,
ain't do this, brain't do that. No, nigga, what didn't
you do right? Tell him niggas how you fucked up right?
Tell him niggas what you wasn't doing. Tell him, niggas
what you wasn't learning tell them how you was around

(48:58):
all these millionaires and whatnot, asking questions you was on FanDuel.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Tell him that ain't gonna tell him that, right.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The truth don't don't fit the narrative though, And see
I went through it the other day. I have received
a phone call and this is, you know, little shrimp guys.
You know these are little shrimps in the neighborhood. And uh,
you know, yo, man, I think I'm hearing such and
such saying such and such. You know when I see him,

(49:27):
it's such and such. I said, say why saying what
about who? And my thing is, don't nobody say nothing
to me? That's the man shit I'm talking about. Right,
if we me and home, if I got a problem
with anybody, I'm gonna say it to them. But they
know it's bitch made problems. They know it's it's woman shit.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
They know.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
And that's how I'm matreated because I don't sugarcoat nothing.
So I'm gonna tell you when you come at me
about something that you entitled man, get out my face
with that intil and now you really mad. But I
want you to hurry up and get mad so we
can gonna get to where you're gonna get to come on,
because this is inevitable coming from It's in you, niggas,
It's in you.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Yeah, and we just working on trying to move around
it and shake it.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And we're trying to keep it because it's like, you
got genuine love for certain people and we want them
to be there. You want to You don't want to
see your homies five years later in the same place
y'all started at, You know what I mean, The whole
reason we started this thing was for everybody to get
some money, everybody to be successful in us, to have

(50:37):
something to do outside of doing shit that's illegal, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
This is what we was doing.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
So if you fall under that role, and you fall
under that role, right, and you want to do this
and you want to do that, why not put that
same energy into doing that as you put into going
to kill a nigga, Right as you put into going
to rob a nigga. Are you put them going to
get on to take a trick? That's the same energy
gonna bring you that same amount of money, if not more, right,

(51:03):
But because it's unfamiliar for you and you insecure about
moving around in it, because it's new, you run away
from it. Are you gonna lean on the homie to
teach you everything when he's still learning? So it be
feeling like sometimes, Bro is black men, we don't even
get enough time to dream.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Sometimes though, being that nigga paralyzes you because when not
only do you become everybody else's trampo lean, it also can.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Paralyze you in a way where you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Move out of that familiar spot because I'm that nigga
right here. When I get over there and I start
rapping ken, now, I gotta fall up under the nigga
I thought was a little homie. It didn't go to
the penitentiary like I did. You see what I'm saying,
And so it becomes an ego thing. And only because

(51:58):
you made it to that nigga, is you have that
viewpoint because I come in the game like this, set
my own shit up.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Man, niggas used to come to me. Bro, Bro, we
gotta go do this in the hood. We gotta do
this for the hood. We gotta go do this now.
I'm all about giving back, you know what I'm saying.
Toys drives and Thanksgiving and we're gonna do that helping
one of my boys who passed away, I help his
girl with you know a lot of things. I'm all

(52:27):
about giving back. I'm not about giving back the flex
on niggas.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
See, niggas want you to go do some shit to
flex on niggas because they feel bad about all the
wrong shit they ha donet done the people in the hood.
So now they want to come back and stand on
top of my bad bro. But here goes something from
my apologies. So you could look like the nigga. I
ain't for that right because I ain't tell you to
go shoot old buddy. I ain't tell you to go
rob mss Jenkins. Y'all went and did that shit. I

(52:54):
was in the studio.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Y'all burnt the hood.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
That's what y'all.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Wanted to go do. So y'all go fix that. I
ain't got nothing to do with that.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Now, did any street niggas invest in you, because that's
where but see, but them niggas is the ones.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
But that's the main nigga I'm still cool with to
this day, to this day. And what's crazy is he
ain't even from my hometown. He from a whole nother
part of the world.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
That's how.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And even when I got my first deal, I tried
to give him what he gave me back.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
He said, bro get right first. I got faith in you.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
He said, this ain't gonna be the only time you
get some money that get right first and get me
right later. Once I got the movie, Thank you, Broh.
To this day, we just went to super Bowl together
in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (53:45):

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I'm going to go watch his son play basketball in
Atlanta May, first week of May.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's my dog to this day.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
So he but he got them calls he can put
in for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And that's the thing, right, It's like somebody told me.
It's somebody said this to me, and it was a
hell of a point. Says whatever I give it.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
He invested in the niggas I'm telling you about.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
That that ain't picking up the money and shit.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And they act like our own something. He put money
in their.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Pocket and they put around me comfortably and not a
bird and switch.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
They m.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
To the point it got me and Bru mad at
each other for a few weeks and I'm like, no,
we gotta talk about this.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Because y'all the.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Ones that's wrong, right, not him right, But I'm trying
to cause y'all the homieson. I introduced y'all to him.
It ain't even worth that. I should have never let
y'all meet.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
But see, that introduction is a bad motherfucker too, and
you've got to guard that introduction.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Got to and people.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
That's that's how I was choking room relationship because nigga,
run up on your man.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Hey man, introduce me to sudden ship. I can't just
do that. Family. I don't even know what you.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I don't even know.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
I barely know, old body. Nigga. Hell is you telling
me to introduce you to.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Come on that?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And then you mad at me because I won't do that.
Come on, you see what I'm saying. And so I
want the young boys to know, head down towards the
hustle man, block out that other shit out.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
You know what I'm saying. Do you know are you
familiar with the TikTok band that's going on?

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Man, what's your thoughts on it? What's your take on that? Man?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I'm kind of up and down with it. I feel like.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I feel like, you know, TikTok started off as musically,
it was an app called musically, and from what I
was told, and anybody in the comments, y'all can correct
me if I'm wrong, because this is some information I
was told. I was told that when TikTok I get
their initial deal, their licensing deals to get music on

(56:03):
the platform, they only spent ten million dollars, all right,
So they was able to use all of that music
for ten million bucks. From what I was told, right,
that's a low number. It's a low number when you
start pulling in billions. So now their labels is like, hey,
you know what I'm saying, we let you all do
that for ten Like, let's work something out where we

(56:27):
all could you know what I mean, benefit off this.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
TikTok is the label telling you that. No, this is
my observation.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
But people I've talked to outside of the label, right,
people in the tech world, different.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Rights, right, right, So so when you deal with I
just have a hard time believing the label won't have
them amend that at some point, and I think they
have amended it several times.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
To tell you.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
The problem, it's what I was about to get to,
the problem is when they've the platform has used music
so long. Now you got everybody on the platform. So
TikTok is like we got the creators. Y'all can have
the music because the creators will create new music on
this platform.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Right, But here's the labels.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So I want to be what I believe this happened
that there is the labels are having a conversation about TikTok.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I don't even think it's the labels.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I think the government, right, But I'm saying just from
a music standpoint, the government too. We're gonna get to that,
but from a music standpoint. Inside those buildings, there's a
conversation about the app TikTok because it became a discovery
platform for music. Like you're saying, like a lot of
people got their motion from TikTok's lit their singles up.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
But music ain't the only thing that TikTok discovery.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Right, But from a label stand right now, but we're
gonna talk about it generally, but right I'm trying to
deal with the label perspective.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
And the reason being is because when the music.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Was pulled off of TikTok, you saw the narratives from
both sides approached the social media platforms, which was the
label saying, yo, they don't want to up the annie
and pay us what we feel it's worth, and TikTok
is saying they just robbed the creators. We're sending them
money for this shit every single month. So the narratives

(58:18):
took place. I'm wondering what rappers are feeling about that
ecosystem of TikTok. Have you ever felt a spike in
your business because of TikTok?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Me, personally, no, because I never was big on TikTok.
I never like fully got into TikTok, like I tried
to do it for like ninety.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Days, and it just it wouldn't work. It just wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
It wasn't my I don't know, I just didn't connect
to the platform right. Instagram is where a lot of
my audience lives, and a lot of my audience is older.
There's a lot of older people on TikTok, but a
lot of them are able to find me easier on Instagram.
So I've always been on Instagram. So for me, I
haven't felt anything from it, you know what I mean.

(59:08):
But I'm pretty sure for content creators and independent artists
who make a lot of money off their music on TikTok,
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Dann just it'll get it acts as a as a highway.
People discover fifteen seconds of a song on TikTok. Next
thing you know, it's clamming the apple to sure you see.
And so this is affecting the ecosystem. And the reason
I know that the labels are having conversation about it
is because what Caller Ray said. She came out and

(59:38):
tweeted that, and I don't want to quote it, but
whatever the quote is, I'm having on the screen.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
But it sounded like label jargon.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
It was something to the effect of and for me,
for her, it is she's gonna feel TikTok missing because
every single one of her songs that did what it did,
it was by way TikTok. It went crazy every time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
But here's the thing with somebody like her, and you're
hundred percent correct if we're talking about someone who solely
was only focusing on that platform. Coy is and like movies,
now you know what I mean commercial music, though yes
it might not have her music, but she's so big
of a star that is like she can do other

(01:00:24):
things and find other ways to help the music, but she.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Has to connect. You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You can't because earlier you said the music has to connect.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I'm just saying she can find other ways to promote
the music. Meaning if she's in a movie, she might
be doing the whole soundtrack of that movie and they
might attached the marketing with that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
That that organic dance she would do on TikTok, she
would come up with a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Little she might take it on snapchat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Now, right, but that audience is on TikTok. She built
it on tick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
But when you're that big, sometimes you can move your
audience with you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
And it's hard to move hard.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
It's hard hard, and nobody saying it's gonna be easy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
But when I'm just body or that caliber, you can
kind of move your audience to different platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, And I'm just wondering, you know, the conversation from
a business standpoint, because I'm one hundred percent sure that
that has to be mentioned in a meeting somewhere, especially
for artists like her in particular, because again, every single
one of them songs did something on TikTok that it

(01:01:32):
just wouldn't have been discovered on these other platforms in
the same fast. For sure, they dance, they they create
on TikTok in a totally different way for sure. You know,
rap still has a traditional feel on Instagram as well
as TikTok, but there's a new thing with TikTok creation.
Something's happening, you know what I'm saying, not even high production.

(01:01:53):
We're talking phone up, put it back now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Do you know? One? Two?

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Like this here? You know what I'm saying, and it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Talk is Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
It felt like Instagram became the I think I'm cool crowd,
and TikTok became that we don't give it for the
doing what.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
We want to do. Like they really the cool ones, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Like they really doing what they want to do from
where they Resa Tisa, you know what I'm saying, Like
she just got a whole deal bro from sitting in
the car talking about a nigga blying to her.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I don't know because I know men that's ben't done that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
But how you remember it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
The details and just so much to it is just
what's kind of like, damn it exaggerated? What But I
believe the majority of hell of detail though I believe
majority of it, Though I.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Believe it too, though I believe I believe that dude
is is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah, but it's like things like things like that are
happening now to the point where I seen that three
weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yesterday, I'm on Hulu. She's on Hulu now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, Nah, she bid you know what I mean, to
move her audience to another platform. Guess why TikTok they
she got a hundred million views. She waiting on their
check to come. They hit demonetized. Sure they kept the money.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
They just did it be Soldier boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
See, people need to understand. Damn, people need to understand.
Demonetized don't mean ain't no money being made. It means
that you ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Ain't making the money. They keeping all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, it's still money flowing for this content, but you
ain't made it because what I'm doing is I'm whooping you.
I'm saying, don't make this kind of content, even though
I'm gonna keep this little money that we done made
out fats, But don't don't don't do this kind of thing.
You said they just did it for Soldier.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Well, how much Ojia Boy was on a live I
think he ran up like thirty five thousand and like
a few hours like an hour or something, and they
they cut it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
Oh my goodness, they cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Like literally like, oh, they can't regulate it, man, they're
gonna find something wrong with.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
It now from a government.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
From from a government standpoint of TikTok, it's really a
Chinese own company and they have they have a situation
with the with the federal government where they're trying to
ban it. Like you say, it's a discovery platform. I've
learned things about things I didn't know on T two

(01:04:25):
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It just doesn't happen on these other platforms the same.
And this is what people don't understand. Although they ran
by China, they're they're literally whooping everybody's ass as it
comes as it pertains to just algorithm and just the
whole on beyond, they're whooping ass.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
For sure, they're more creative. The platform is more creative.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Sure, since as far as the government side, I don't
really know too much on what the government's issue is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I just noticed the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
The issue is that they're swaying opinions. So what what
they feel like is again the discovery part of it.
They reckonze how big of a discovery site this has become.
And so what happens is say that they want to
shift the narrative for this upcoming election. They start letting
being seen things that's making you go away from you

(01:05:15):
the government and really go towards hating the government. And
it's creeping in algorithm some kind of way, you know
what I'm saying. So that's what they're really concerned with,
the ability to sway opinions. And it comes from the
Chinese government, which now we're dealing with world politics and
people want to run the world. And so if they're
saying Chinese in one hundred years of looking to run

(01:05:37):
the world, we're giving them my kids with TikTok, and
you're telling me that at any moment they can hit
buttons and kind of sway away.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Our kids are seeing the way we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Interact with the rules, the way we interact with our government,
who's our president, the whole structure. So that's the issue,
and they're living there now. A lot of companies in
America are putting in bids to try to say, hey,
we'll buy ticks Talk or we'll own part of it
and store the data on American soil. So of course
we're still collecting data in the same way, but Chinese

(01:06:09):
don't have access to it. Here's the data that're collecting
right now. In the terms and service agreement of TikTok.
They're doing facial recognition. There's no nothing you can really
do with facial recognition on TikTok. But these are things
they're putting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
In that back pocket. And there's a governmental standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
You sent down it don't mean nothing now, but in
forty years, what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
And they got all our.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Children data exactly, and so they fight. That's what the
governmental standpoint of you know of it is. And so
they're fighting with that in the Chinese government saying we
ain't bothering it, we ain't doing nothing to it, We're
trying to help people make money.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
We ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And so what you also have to understand is that
every company in China is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Withholded to the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Chinese government, even though you operate under your own business,
if they step in, you must do what they say do.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
And that's another problem.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
So not only is TikTok owned by Badinance, which is
a Chinese company, a Chinese company is they have to
do what the Chinese government say. They have no dog
in the fight you have, you can't say no, and
so the US just had some concern with that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
That's a problem, makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
What sense?

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
What you think about this ditty situation?

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
What's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
It's it's tricky for me. Man, I personally know Puff
and I've worked with Puff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
You No, I don't got a bag will revote befo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, but the conversation is the conversation, man, Like I
got a little for at the Tavio.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Ak, now here's my thing. Right, Let's say me and
you kick it today.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
And yeah, cause you done been to some of them parties.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Let's say me and
you kick it. Let's say we kick it tomorrow. Right,
we all moving around, we back at the studio at
the end of the week or whatever it may be.
And then in a month it comes out, Nigga, you
a mass murderer. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
I don't really know that side of you, So I

(01:08:20):
don't know. I don't know how to judge it or
have an opinion on it because every time I've been
around bro and kicked it, it's just been it's been cool.
You know what I'm saying, Like we working on music,
we eating good food, like niggas having a good time.

(01:08:40):
Of course there's women around like like any party, you
know what I'm saying, And at the end of the night,
niggas is going back to their hotel rooms or going
to do what they do. I ain't never personally like
experience the quote unquote freak off everybody talking about I
ain't never seen it, so I don't know how to

(01:09:00):
have an opinion on it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
See, that's what But they're saying that. That's what people
are not saying what you're saying. That's saying that people
who have been in these parties, in these diggy parties,
are not saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Yo, that ain't what's happening. I haven't saw that happen. Y.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I'm telling you the god honest truth on my child, Bro,
I didn't been in the puff House in La recorded.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Have you been in the rooms where he's told everybody
to leave?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
We've never told nobody that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
I didn't heard the baby say that though.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I didn't walk the puff House in Miami with two
of my homies from the hood.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I'm talking about Art Badsle weekend two of my homies
from the hood a year ago. Puff hit me, Bro,
I'm over here working on this song. King God really
appreciate if you can come over here help us fuck
with a few lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
I get there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
It's me king Low's Puff the homies, Nigga. We in
there rapping right. I'm asking I'm asking Puff, Like, Bro,
who you think the most talented motherfucker you ever worked with?
He said, Mary J. Like these the conversations, you haven't
you feel me? I'm asking him, like when you hear production,
what you hear? He ain't never told me like come

(01:10:10):
back here to this room or you know what I'm saying,
I ain't never experienced that, So I don't I don't
know how to judge it. I don't know what to
say about it because it's like every time I've been
around Bro, it's been about work. It's been about getting
to some money. It ain't it ain't never been about that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
And we and and you know we're trying. I have
grace for him, man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I think now I'm not saying that ship didn't happen.
I'm saying I.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Don't know right right right, right, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I ain't never been to have been.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
You have been to some of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
The party, but that but but are you aware that
they are different levels of a puff party.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I'm sure it is. What I'm saying is whatever that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Level is, the social media ship you see this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I ain't never made it to that level, bro, that's
on my son. I ain't and I never heard of it.
I've heard people say things, you know what I'm saying, like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Brother, fuck with old girl.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, oh girl famous, she
got a career, whatever that may be.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
I ain't never.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
Heard the weirdo shit kids, you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I ain't never heard that, Like I didn't kicked it
with just with you know what I'm saying, Like, we
didn't kicked it in spots, bro, like real life chilling.
I ain't never seen nothing like that. So I don't
know how to judge it now. If it's true, that's
some foul lass shit facts. He was a foul person.

(01:11:41):
But me personally, I've never seen that side of that
person anytime I've been around that person.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I'm interested in in understanding or studying media's role in
Diddy's persona changing, like the way people view him, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I mean, if we're gonna talk about that, you gotta
go down a rabbit hole of Bill Cosby and yeah,
you know what I.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Mean, Tupacs it get deep now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
You know it's that's a whole nother conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
But then even even if we niche it down right
like because mainstream media can't come up with the freak
off and the freak o, these are Twitter nigga culture ship.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I agree, this is culture tearing at a nigga ass.
I agree. I agree, that's what I'm saying. Like, if
it's a such thing as a freak off, what I'm
telling you is my nigga and my son. I ain't
never been invited or heard that term in my circle
of friends in the industry. I ain't never heard that
because and I probably ain't big enough to hear that

(01:12:53):
term yet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
You know what I'm saying, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Probably these blog niggas here in the term.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
What I'm saying is is hearing the term now because
it's public, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
We made it public. I don't know, That's what I'm saying.
Don't nobody know what we know? What made it public?

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
No, no, no, I ain't talking about the allegations. What
made it public. I'm talking about that term.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
What made what made that term public was, if I'm
not mistaken, the Cassie thing, because it was in the
court files.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
And she even called.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
In the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
She said I had to participate in what he would
call freak offs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
That's what made it public. Dangn So until then, I
ain't never heard of the ship, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
She puts so much weight on it. She she the
one to put the weight on it. Without her, None
of this is what it looks like. It doesn't look
the same. She got an extensive relationship and she makes
it look man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I don't know, Bro, I don't know. Like I pray
for everybody involved, you know what I'm saying. I pray
for man, But it's like shit, I can't speak on him, man,
because I don't know. If I swear to God, my nigga,
if I ever seen was around puff do some weird shit,
I would leave it on my child. I will tell

(01:14:13):
you right now, Brody's seen that nigga do some foul shit, right.
I never seen it, bro, or my mama, I've never
seen it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Do you think that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Where all his industry buddies, at all the people that
made money with him, made music with him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I mean, are them his buddies or his business partners?
Everybody ain't your friend and this shit niggas just because
you get money with a nigga on me, nigg frid,
I get money with a lot of niggas. It ain't
my friends in his business.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
But did it was position?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
He's a powerful guy, so they a lot of people
position theirself to him as friends.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah, but it's like it ain't it ain't their job
to say something like, well, like what they supposed to
say when you got all these wild alect Nothing they
say is gonna change what the fuck is going on.
Jay Z or Beyonce, whoever could come off tomorrow and say,
I stand with Sean Conch like whoever future could come

(01:15:11):
out tomorrow. It's not gonna change what's been said and
what's going on. So it's like whether somebody say something
or not, what does it change.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That's what Fit is basically saying that Jay is like
disissodia just like because I mean, we all black dog
and you will see these dudes take pictures together. These
are the billionaire class of gods.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
But we may be talking about a rock Nation brunch
from six years ago. We don't know if Diddy and
Jay took a picture in the last when the last
time we seen them together.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
We don't know that we be going.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Off shit we seen off social media that's ten years
old and twenty years old. We don't know if they
dine kicked it in the last five year. They probably
fell out or we don't know, right, We don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
So for me, then some people don't stand by this
kind of shit in the street, like certain ship for real,
certain ship.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
You can't stand by that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Ship with environments we come up from it. For niggas
fucking with children doing some nigga, get the fuck away
from me. We're finna beat your ass, nigga, you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Can't stand by that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
We don't play that ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
So, if I'm not gonna fuck with you on a
personal level on the streets, why would I publicly voice
I don't fuck with you if I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Right, And then, like you said, for people on social
media and things that's looking for jay Z and these guys,
how do we even know they really have their relationship.
It could be happening all these guys. We don't know
forever every time we see them together. It's a war
show type dinner and they.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Called we can interact the game every week JB with Emery.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Still ain't a company together, you know what I'm saying.
Ain't seen them facts.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
We ain't see none of that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
So it's like, we can't just expect somebody to say
something because you didn't done business or done a song
with somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Before, you know what I'm saying. Like, especially, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
What about the people that worked for him though they
do you think they owe him that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I think it depends because everybody experience is different. Like
I'm saying, my experience is my experience. It may be
somebody who worked for that nigga who experienced a traumatic thing,
you know what I'm saying. They probably could have said
he was a mean boss. It could have been some
people that said Nigga changed my life. I got loved
for him forever, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
So it's like, do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You think that this super that having love for nick
can supersede See again, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
It depends on the detriment of the situation, because I
could love a motherfucker to the end, But if you
fucking with kids, dog.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Or if you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
It's that, you know what I'm saying, If you're forcing
women to do that, I can't fuck with right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
On no level, no level, And I want to be
loud about that. I can't fuck with anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Feel me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
If somebody asks me, I'll give my opinion now, don't
fuck with dude. But I'm not just gonna pick up
my phone and tell the whole world I don't fuck
with that nigga because for what right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Don't nobody care.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Don't nobody care if you fuck with this nigga or
not for these twenty four hours tomorrow Nigga the Future
and then Drake that made a new song together and
they back cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Don't nobody care no more? Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Or Nigga Kanye and dropped the new boot Nigga that's
going viral, right, don'tbody care no more?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
It's like, if I don't fuck with you, don't fuck
with you. I know that, and you know that if
the world asks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Me, I'll let them know. Other than that, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Need to pick up my phone and tell the world
I don't fuck with this nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
You know, let's talk about YouTube involvement or black media's
that niche of like the messy YouTube shit right. They
live in a spot where I think that these titles
of videos and these content creators can really fuel the investigation.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
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