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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For those who do not know why sale Woody has
been brought to the standard. He's the star witness in
this young thug Rico wid sal trial. Sell wooded after
telling police all that he's already told him in some
of these interviews. In his words, he was lying to
try to get out. But after speaking to them in
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detail and at length, he then comes to trial and
he pleads the filth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Do you want to be here?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Do you want to be here?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm here?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay? Well, are you gonna let me ask you some questions?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Crown?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay? What dos grown mean?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm under duck?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I plead the fifth Ladies, gentlemen, can I get you
a step outside to your head? Or is the jury liberation? Please?
From lest listen, ty you want to do? Tell me
how you got the information, then we can go ahead
and go forward. I'm not going to say that. What
I'm going to say is this I was told, and
I hope this concerns the court.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It concerns me that you have proprietary information. Why is
it information that that that you.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Should not be having? That was X party? Why with
a party? Why? State of Georgia how about the witness.
How about mister Copeland who supposedly announced he's not testifying
and he'll sit for two years, and then supposedly that's
as of a court. Okay, let me referens at this court.
Supposed he said, I can hold you until the end
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of this trial. Miss Hilton supposedly said, actually all of
the defendants and then all twenty six people are disposed of.
If that's true. What this is is coercion, witness intimidation,
X party communications that we have a conscious right to
be present for. Why, Sarah, I'm going to hold you
in contempt if you don't tell me who this is.
I tell me who this inform.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So you see the threats of contempt for people who
don't know what that means. It means I'm gonna lock
you up as a lawyer of thirty three years without
with a flawless record. I'm gonna send you to jail
if you don't tell me how you got this information.
What we're dealing with, ladies and gentlemen, is the equivalent
of your girlfriend going in your phone. However she got
into your phone figured out that YO, you've been cheating
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on me, and you have another family across the across
the city. You have another family on the west side.
She comes at you about the unannounced child that you had,
and you say, Yo, you broke my trust. You went
in my phone. That's what happened.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I'll leave.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
They go to running the folks when pop off. Next
thing you know, they got pictures with Jay Prince you
understand me in beef. Next thing you know, they got
pictures with Big U. Exactly my man, Lord, old lord, okay, okay.
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passed Father's Day. Father's Day for me is always special
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because my kids are very in tune with who their
father is, what he does, you know, And I've been
in that life since they were very small, since they
were born by me growing up the way I grew up,
which all the responsibility happened to fall on my mother
as it pertains, the nurturing and a lot of the
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financial responsibility outside of a very fraction of what it'll
cost to raise a boy, especially in the era that
I come up in. She took that on and so
for me, I get joy out of some of the
small things. Right, it could be me grilling, it can
be them like dad man when you grilling again, like
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for them to want the grill food, or for them
to want to come chilling and me to cook for them,
or we go somewhere and we just vibing out like
we was in the store yesterday. My oldest son wanted
some new balances, and I'm like, what, I look at
the new balances. One of the past was one hundred
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and eighty dollars. I'm saying, this costs more than George.
This's what y'all doing with the money. He's like, yeah,
he's comfortable these what I be on. And so I
got them some new balances. My other son wanted some
more black forces, and so we just in the mall,
just tripping about their style. They're coming into their own
and you know, I'm watching, and you know, I'm proud
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of them, and I'm always gonna be there for them.
You dig, and so I take pride in that. My
mother also came out. You know, she took me out
to a lunch. She's always been someone that's been there
for my children like no other I don't know another
grandparent that's like my mother is as it pertains to
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her grandchildren, like literally treat them boys like they meet,
like love them like they mean, worry about them like
they met, prey for them like they meet. Like the
grandmother's love for my children on my side, it's so crazy,
like it's one of those loves like she had them boys.
And so that's something always that I watch. You know,
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I have to make sure that they know to take
care of they granted. You know what I'm saying, not
only for me, but for them, take care of your granted.
Open the doors for make sure help her get out
the car. See if she need anything. Do she need
you to carry something? Do she need a trash took out?
You know? Do she need a windows clean? Do she
need a car clean? Do she need a car vacuum?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
That right?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Make sure you're taken care of her only your granted.
Do that for your mother, do that for your the
women around you, Like be one of those guys like
when you jump up in the morning, go don't get
your business took care of? You know, you're on cruise control.
When you're with me, is you did get your business
took care of and then go on cruise control? You know.
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And while I'm an adult, I still have to work
on some of those things as well. As we get
into a very interesting part of life where I can
do anything I want to do every single day. And
I've always talked about freedom sometimes can run a person crazy.
The classic example of that is like when someone who
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never had money, never came from money, don't know how
to really navigate with money, hit the lottery and then
in four years, five years, they lose out the money.
Now they're in depression. They damned the die. They get
out there at homeless, they get on drugs, like because
they ran into so much money ruined their life. For
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people that rap and people that entertainment, or people that
come from poverty, you have to understand and switch your
mindset because now you can indulge in anything all the time.
When you get you some money, you can indulge in
anything all the time. And that's why it magnifies who
you are. So if you do like the freak, you'll
start throwing freak offs. If you do like the smoke,
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you'll start having smoke sessions. You dig what I'm saying,
And so the money magnifies who you are. And so
we gotta be careful that when we get money, we
don't lose ourself in the process. You know, I pray
to God all the time that I continue to find
my way and don't lose myself alone this road. Because
when you can just take a hunter and throw it
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at something and it don't mean nothing, things get a
little slippery. Sometimes you may have what they called a
Dunning Krueger effect. And I didn't just learn about this,
but I just was. It just was brought up by
Neil Degres Tyson. And so what it really is is
when you get a certain amount of success off a
little bit of information, and then because you got some
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success or covered some ground or got your footing up
under you from a certain amount of success, and that
little information, you believe that little information to represent more
information than it actually represents in the grand scheme of things. Right,
It's like a dude that come out and hit one
jumper to come and tell Steph Carry about his phone.
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You hit one jumper. You can't tell Steph Carry about
his phone. This is what I respect about you know
karate because they have the belt system, and the belt
system helps you understand your place. And so in life
it's interesting because we all share a world with each other,
and you don't know what no one else see is
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in that journey, in that reading process, and the understanding
of the universe, and the understanding of the word, in
the understanding of life itself. You don't know what people
are even though you share this space with him. You
can be laying with somebody that you don't know where
they staying as it pertains to their spiritual journey. You
can have kids with people that you don't even truly
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know you know where we come from. You can share
sex with people you don't share sentences with. You can
be in a scenario to badly even talk to this
girl and had sex with a vice versa badly even
talk to this dude to have sex with him. He
dropped a few dollars off here, and they ain't taking
care of bidding. Ain't much to talk about home taking
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care of bidding. You dig. That's the mindset. And this
is why a lot of time street niggas get tricked
out of position. It's because of what they went through.
It gets you so far and then it had you delusional, right,
so you can work your way away to corporate America
based on your street knowledge. Then you'll be next to
a guy that ain't been through as much as you right.
And so what that does is you be like, he
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can't fuck me. He ain't been through what I've been through.
But the structure way that he went has taught him
how to retain information, how to look at things and
analyze data. You have too, but you don't have the
formula down. I asked children nowadays, do you know how
to Google? Something like? Do you honestly know how to
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use Google? Because I don't, and I'm learning how to
actually use Google. There's a way to use Google where
only facts pull up. There's a way to use Google
where only news articles pull up, not YouTube videos.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
There's a way to do some of these things that
the structure has to be passed down. I remember one
time bumping into a dude that was writing a paper.
He had like an extremely detailed paper. So he showed
me the structure of the paper. He's showing me how
he wrote it and how it's all formatic, how he's
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citing all his sources, and so it intrigued. Brand said, hey,
you min we get a lunch man, And we end
up going to get a lunch and I was asking him,
I'm like, yo, how do you do this? It was like, yo,
I'll email you the paper, I'll email you this like
he didn't have no problem with sharing this information. Every
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time I saw this guy, he had a book in
his hand. So I had respect for him without ever
speaking to him, because I knew he's on a journey seeking.
He's in Bluetooth mode. And there's nothing more intriguing and
interesting to someone like me than a human being being
in bluetooth mode, seeking, searching, looking for information, looking for connection.
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What can I take these skills? What can I take
this skill that I got and plugged in to make
something happen? Because although I've been through hell in my life,
I know nothing is for no reason. Nothing in nature
it's useless. You understand that every single thing in nature
is of some use. And it's the same way with
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your life, to trials and tribulations, the testimonies that you have.
And so I look at things like that because it's
unfortunate for me that I've poured into people. I've poured
into people now that have revision is history. When you're
around me, you benefit and as a period after that,
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and that goes for each and every person. You learn something,
whether it's technique information, you learn something as well as
I learn something from you. I don't want to seem
as though I'm I'm always giving and not getting. But
I ain't nothing given to me. Everything I get I
have to search for. Nothing has been given, but I
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do get things on the journey. But I've given so
much to people that now will look at you and
have some sort of revisionist history of devins that took place.
I'm gonna be telling talking about Young Blue and Booster
in a minute. But as I think about my own life, right,
and some of the people that misrepresent their involvement with
me or what I might have meant to their process,
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the ingredients I might have deposited into that overall scenario,
the things that they took from me that they looked over,
I think to myself, like no one they say certain
things because what's happening is they they're coping with no
longer being able to use you for the things they
dependent on you on. For the things they dependent on
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you for, they also learned the hard lesson along the way. Right,
most people that's critical of me don't have the kind
of credentials to be able to dispute me or validate me.
You dig that that means no matter how they feel
about it, it don't change nothing. You don't got the
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credentials to dispute this nor validate this. I'm coming back
from where you going to. And so I have to
ask most people that been involved with me in some
kind of way and they took something from me, and
now they feel as though that in competition with me.
So I'm gonna do all the work and then you're
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gonna be my competition. At the end of it. I'm
gonna turn you up. I'm gonna put you in position,
and then you gonna act like you my competition. You
one or two years in. I've been doing this ten years.
I've been getting money for a decade. You're on your
first lap and you gonna think you can outrun me.
I got endurance when it come to this. I got
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endurance when it come to this. You ain't nothing like
what I've been through. Your character is your character. No
matter how much money you got, you are what you are,
even if you in up being, even if you got
a private jet. Your character outweighs your contributions and also
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the things that you have collected. So many times we
come from nothing right, and I see so many people
go through things that make me say, I can see
why it's hard to help people. I see why when
you do a cost sucsessment sometimes you just be like,
I'd rather just watch it. From as far as a fan,
it'll be niggas that'll call you for advice and won't
share your business. They hit you and need you for loans.
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They need you for things, and they ain't never shared
none of yours. But they favorite celebrity they share it.
The favorite celebrity they like it. These are some of
the sicknesses that goes on amongst my people. The idea
that I'll help you start the garden, you'll give me
the weeds where I'm from. If if I build the bridge,
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you had me the toes, the money collected from toes
on the bridge that I help build. I need to
have a piece of that. I know we got a
lot to get to today, but there's certain things on
my mind. I want to speak to the culture about it.
I hope that's okay with y'all. I had a disturbing
conversation with someone that I used to love, and the
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only thing I got out of it was why I
don't love them no more now? I questioned myself because
at some point I thought there was a backbone when
there was a backstab. See, you can get things wrong,
they gonna be on your back, But will they be
on your back or be or will they have your back?
And so when people have character flawed, there's a collateral
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consequence for dealing with them. I mean, you will find
a way to hate me even though I helped you.
It's crazy that some people have more hate for the
people that helped them alone the way than the people
that never done nothing for him that actually hate them.
How can you hate any more than a nigga that'd
done that to you, took you through these things, provided
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you with no air. You know, who am I to
thinken everything gonna work out and everything on go is playing?
Who might have had a kind of co finense I have.
You know, they wish they could beat me down or
affect me. They wish they could make me rattled. I'm
a measured man for all things that work in the
favor of those that praise the Lord. So I'm a
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measured man right now. My astrology sign says that I'm emotional,
I am over analytical, and so I try to control
the part of me that will make me react to
certain things that I shouldn't respond to. Right I'm looking
at forward motion. I'm looking for first down. You know,
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I think my fans can tell when I'm not into
it and when I'm not really giving it what I
can give it. Because if you came up listening to me,
I'm talking about all one hundred episodes, one hundred and fifty.
I think now we're on two fifty, but them first
one fifty, the people that was listening, then they got
aside of me that the culture really needs. I think
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the business side of podcasting does kind of get in
a way. But I have the ability to multitask, and
it's my job to make sure I can give people
exactly what they need from me. Because this right here,
one man show, one man on me type of thing,
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it's a totally different level. It's a totally different skill
to get. As far as I've been able to get
with this is nothing short than a miracle. But let's
get to the wy Sale young thug situation. So I
want to start with the Wye sal Woody situation. I
haven't really spoke since Woody has tookn the stand I
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think it's time that I've I give some commentary to
the culture so many people have been asking for. So
we're here today for those who do not know why
Sal Woody has been brought to the stand. He's the
start witness in this Young Thug Rico wy sal trial.
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He seems to have had a relationship with law enforcement
in his words that where he's been trying to finess
a way to get out of jail by telling them
things about young Thug and other people that's involved in
this indictment that will cause law enforcement to look at
them like the criminal street gang that they are presenting
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to the course that they are. I've always asked myself,
why wouldn't they verify some of these things to just
take the word of someone about The way I feel
is that one time Woody had said, I don't know
why thug want to be a gangster. He should want
to be a rapper, but he want to kill. He
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wants people to be you know, he wants people to
get He want a gang bang, he want to be
involved in this lifestyle. And so for them, they've took
Woody at a lot of his word in some of
these different occasions in which they've met. As I've been
watching the trial, there's been several scenarios in which things
were allegedly happened to Woody on the street. And you
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now have the state on record saying that after you
were shot at, for instance, you came up to the
Folton County Police Department and had a conversation about someone
trying to harm you. And so there's so many scenarios
where his dude has been caught up, something happened, he's
down there talking to the police. I knew the dynamics
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was switched. I don't look at Woody like he's scared
to say whatever he want to say, But I knew
the dynamics was switched when you got to sit on
the stand and look at these people and be involved
with these same individuals that you've been around all this
different time. I continue to tell y'all, man, when I
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got told on it ruined me. A lot of my
homeboys right now be thinking like, why Loan don't pull
up on us while here, don't fuck with us. When
them niggas told on me, Man, it ruined everything I had.
Somebody that I was dealing with for ten years didn't
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mind getting with the police and set them for and
set me up in some kind of bullshit scenario that
I'm still allegend to this day was untrue. I moved
past it. I don't want to seek any retribution for it,
but I do. I continue to say that I was
placed in a scenario with someone that I was with
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for ten years, that I helped them, that I knew
their father, I knew their brother, and knew all these
scenarios where I would know where their mother lived at,
I knew where their father lived at, and I had
to kind of power to send somebody over there to
check on a dog. Now I had to right. So
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when that happened to me, it did something to the
lens that I view all of this shit out of
like friend and ships, business relationships. That's why even in
the industry, I gotta be careful because these rap dudes
will tell you I'm gonna do an interview and then
you don't see them, and then if you say something
it seemed like you're overreacting. But if you put the
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press game down when they come through your town, is
that overreacting? Because I guarantee if you come this is how,
this is what happens to rappers, especially for people like me.
You do a certain thing and then you come through
my city and then some kind of way, them boys
get on you. Them boys on my city get on you.
They got your necklace, They done took you your ring
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and your watch. And then you need somebody to get
your shit back. And guess who you want to reach
out to. You want to reach out to somebody like me.
And so this is how you This is how a
lot of them old school niggas in the game made
you rap. Niggas tap in, they would get you. Niggas
rob get you. Niggas shit took, make niggas say they
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threatening you when you get there, like and make you
have to run to them, because that's what happened. All
these niggas. They go to running the folks when shit
pop off. Next thing you know, they got pictures with
Jay Prince, you understand me, nigga and Beef. Next thing
you know, they got pictures with Big U. You know
what I'm saying, It be a lot of this shit
going on. It's like, Yo, I'm seeing through a lot
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of this shit because I'm knowing I'm big general in
my city. So if I want to, I can turn
the heat up on. Anybody come through here and it aint.
Can't nobody stop it. You can't make a phone call
in my town, they can stop whatever I got going on.
I don't fall under nobody. You dig what I'm saying.
So I can turn the heat on and make it
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hot and make a rap nigga scramble or make it
entertain a scramble. But that's what That's how I believe
a lot of people has been ranting into some of
these crews and clicks, because when you go through this city,
the club designs on the load. We the one helped
them rebuild it. We ain't on no paperwork, but shot
fifty wrecks through there. Yeah, we gave them ninety thousand.
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Start their restaurant the everybody go to like so we
know when you hear where you at, what dough you
using to come out. They serve people like me and
my city like they serve y'all when y'all come to
my city. So the same routes they take you through
them back doors, we know them back doze. They the
back doze. They take us through the same restaurants and
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how they get y'all in and who moving with y'all yo,
br I remember talking to elt on my podcast and
he said, long, they depend on you for safety when
they come to your town, Like if you're a promoter,
he said, if you're a promoter and a rapper come
to your town, they depending on you for safety. You
know they whereabouts and they'll come down there and shuck
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the promoter. Yeah, nah, man, I ain't doing nothing, you know.
I remember one time when I booked people like I
had booked Young Drove and drove them. Don't even know
that that's me right now, Like Young drove them. They
don't even know I'm the same person at twenty years old.
I had booked him. I booked Walker Flocker. I was
booking niggas, but just like I am now, I didn't
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let nobody in on it from my city. So when
dro got there, I come to find out that because
I didn't own the club and I didn't let nobody in,
they was doing some backdoz shit on me. Like soon
as people was pulling up before the parking lot even
filled up, they were saying fifty the pall. Then they
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threw a free party the same day to try to
x smiut I didn't know none of this. At the time,
I was new in the game. I'm coming in with
street money, so I'm just saying, Yo, let's book some niggas,
get some shows going. We gotta figure this out. And
young Dro still don't know to this day. I'm that
dude that booked him when I was twenty years old.
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Twenty one years old. We had a relationship for a
second and then it faded off, but I still paid
Dro even though the turnout wasn't really good to turnout,
didn't turn out like it needed to turn out. They
had a free all black part around the corner, and
they were slick hating on me because I didn't lett
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nobody in on the deal. They had asked me when
I started pushing on the radio and doing shit that
I would start. I start throwing parties. And for those
of you that's in the promotional field, you know that
it's a clicking crew that party shit. All these niggas
in different cities, they kind of be knowing each other.
I come out the street saying, man't fuck them niggas,
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clicking crew, nigga. I'm just finna spend some money and
do it myself. So they would hit me up long
can I be a part of it? I can invest
or put this much in it, and I can handle
this part. Nah Nah, I'm good, fam, Naw, I'm good, Fam.
I was showing everyboy off. And I think that I
still can't confirm it, but I do think that that
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it was a little bit of hating going on with that.
But let's get back to why I say wood It?
Why I said wood it after telling police all that
he's already told him in some of these interviews. In
his words, he was lying to try to get out.
But after speaking to them in detail and at length,
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he then comes the trial and he pleased the fifth.
When Y said wood he pleased the fifth, he does
it in a way that affects the trial. Well, what
do you mean, if you're gonna plead the fifth, then
the state really is not supposed to put you up
on the witness stand because it tanks the jury. What
was even more interesting is is that throughout this trial,
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I think, with ninety days, in the entire time, you've
heard them say what wood He told us this? And
Woody was a killer, and Woody was this boogeyman, and
Woody was one of the people that thug used to
do this X Y and Z after the Donovan Thomas murder.
Woody was someone that they flew to Miami to quote
unquote laid low because it was getting hot in the street,
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paid for by young thug. These are the things that
they have mentioned throughout the trial. And so for Wooded
to then get up there and say I'm pleading the
fifth live while the jury is in the box was
a mistake on behalf of the state and the judge.
And so now this turns into a whole different scenario
if you ask me, this trial has went off the rails.
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Luchi has already got his couple of months left, he
gonna be out, maybe got some kind of probation. Thug
is going through what he's going through. But this particular
trial has been off the rails. So after wood he
is now brought in the court. Here's some of the
video of him pleading the fifth Let's go hart.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Miss couple, go ahead and proach witness before you sit down,
if you would turn and face depthty handed his horns
and witness.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
You swear from test the truth for whole from never
but two's ever make me see he states your first
and lass language on both leads. You said it again,
first and last name with the spelling both leads.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Uh, Kenneth Copey, mister Coplan, do me a favorite.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Put your chair up as close as you can in
the microphone and speak directly into it so we can
all hear you. So if you could stay and spell
your first one Las's name for the record, police Kenneth Copeny.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Spell it? Please k E N N E t h
c O p E l A n D. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
All right, and mister Copland, good afternoon. Do you want
to be.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Here, ma'am?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Do you want to be here?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm here?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay? Well, are you gonna let me ask you some questions?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
How old are you? Okay? What does grown mean?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I'm under adulp?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And when you said you're an adult, what number of
years are you?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I pe the fifth? Ladies and gentlemen, can I get
you a step outside to your headquarters the jury deliberation
place from all right?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I can't even kept that one. I knew he was
a bug out. None of my partner y'all didn't tell
me he was no bug out. Now he a bug out? Yeah?
How old is you? Grown? How old is that an adult. Yeah,
how many years is that? I pleaded the fifth? Yeah,
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like they ain't got no video? Yeah, he up at
rocking to plead the fifth, like ain't no videos or nothing. So,
in my opinion, I believed them to allow him to
go in this inconsistency route where he's saying anything and
everything and then they bring in the videos. That's me.
But that video right there was where he just immediately
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pleaded the fifth in front of the jury. If you
saw what I just saw and heard what I just heard.
The judge then said, what a jurors? Can I get
you to step out? Because they are never supposed to
hear that. Let's look at some more.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
All right, ladies, John, please you see our jury has
left us, uh, mister Copeland, given the fact that you
have invoked your fifth Memon privilege, but the state has
already given your immunity under twenty four Dat five five
O seven. This court holds you in wilful contempt. And
we'll see you on Monday and we'll see, we'll see
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if we can get some more testimony at that point
in time. Take them into custody, all right, stay teveny
of the witnesses, you plan on calling this afternoon. Okay,
what I'm gonna do, as I'll call our jury and
tell them that we're gonna you're gonna be in recess
for the for the weekend and we'll uh, well, we'll
come back on Monday.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And then.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
The jury is excused. Would you please entertain emotion for.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
As mister Steele, I'll entertain it right now.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I didn't want to hold the jury twenty five.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
And what's the basis for your miss trial? We didn't
know he was gonna invoke. We didn't know what he
was gonna testify to, and I certainly didn't let him.
He only had was only asked one question. So at
this point in time, there's.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
There's no school expertise. But I have saw and watched
enough of these trials and some of these interviews videos.
I was allowed for the old JA things. So I've
watched some of court systems and how they work, and
so I know that I know enough to know that
there's loopholes in every single law for people to wiggle out,
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in my opinion, is for the people that created the
laws to wiggle out, and so only they would know
how to wiggle out of some of this stuff. The
reason why I believe black folks to be convicted at
an alarming rate is because we don't have the money
to hire the people that know how to wiggle out
some of these legal loopholes that clearly is there. You
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can see the same case, you can see the same
kind of people affected, you can see the same kind
of charges a minister, but you will see a different
outcome depending on who it is and who represents them.
But the reason why, that's why I say a woody
thing is so crazy. The rules layout that the jury
cannot hear a witness plead the fifth right. If the
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rules lay that out. Now they're going to argue what
they only asking one question, and they only asked them
what was his name and how old was it? So
that's not anything pertinent to affect the trial. And so
they go into these gray areas and depending on the
judge in those kind of matters, can get these cases
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either throughout or he'll say continue with the trial. Now
let's hear him and bride still go total toe about
this scenario.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I mean, I mean, you can't knowingly let a witness
invoke their Fifth Amendment privilege under that in front of
a jury. Button that didn't happen in this case. Last
thing we heard from mister Copen was he was going
to testify.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
So everything you say, I'll adopt it, because I was
about to say those words based fin information belief. I'd
like to call witnesses from the prosecution. I was told
I do not have the personal information. But I was
told that mister Copan made that note.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Here's something else that I don't appreciate that I think
the courts need to address is if you see on
this screen right here, this woman mislove with the short
hat cut. You know, she does a lot of facial weeks, expressions,
a lot of emotional outbursts that can affect the way
the jury understands what's happening. So if Brian still steps
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up and says objection, and then she throws her hands
up and do this emotional outburst, that can start to
resonate to the jury that Brian Steele is trying to
waste time or he's playing semantics. Brian Steele has the
right to object as well as the state. You can object, right,
and so if you watch this young lady, she continues to,
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in my opinion, influence the jury to be biased and
look at things the way that she sees them through
the lens that she sees them through. Now they can't
see Brian Steele. He's not within that eyeshot. She's sitting
directly next to the jury, directly next in front of
the jury, having emotional outbursts. I think that'll be a
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dressed soon.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Everything you say, I'll adopt it, because I was about
to say those words based on one information belief I'd
like to call witnesses from the prosecution. I was told
I do not have the personal information, but I was
told that mister Coplan made that known to officers of
the prosecution team prior to being called right now. But
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it's what I But it's what I was told. I mean,
the last thing the court knew, and he has counsel.
If a party knows that a witness is going to
evoke the Fifth Amendment in front of a jury, which
poisons us, I mean, there's no doubt it prejudices mister
Williams at all, all of them, because this trial's been
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going to now, I believe, eight months, in front of
a jury, and they've heard mister Copland's name. However, in
Times of Court, reporter say that's what we've heard. No,
so the juriors have heard Kenneth Copeland as well opened
on him that he's a killer. We cross examined all
these witnesses about Kenneth Hoping the state talked about Kenneth Koper.
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My point is, if this armble court signs that the
state knew or had reason to believe that he was
going to do this in front of a jury, that
his response was going to be I'm invoking the Fifth
Amendment than your honor, Yes, I adopt what you said.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Now and even looks like she moved closer to get
in the judges eyesight. Then what was the reason for
her to move closer? In that opinion, again, she can
do what she wants to do, but I think we
need to highlight some of the some of the states
practices is in some of these trials. In my opinion,
she's trying to She's trying to sway how the judge feels.
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I hope the court won't be looking at her for
acknowledgment of provement or anything, but it definitely seems like
she just moved to get into the eye view of
the judge. Interesting times right now in this court room.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's wrong, had reason to believe that he was going
to do this in front of a jury, that his
response was going to be evoke in the Fifth Amendment. Then,
your honor, Yes, I adopt what you said. That's wrong
of a party, and I'm moving from mistra because okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Sorry, sir, thank you, all right, Yes, sir, it would
apply to everyone. Yes, miss Love, Joanna, I'd just like.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
To put some things on the record regarding mister Copeland.
As we stated earlier, mister Copeland has I.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Don't want to interrupt you, your honor.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I'm just telling the court, I am not accepting the profit,
your honor, if I may, okay, But counsel gets the prophet,
mister Steele, that's my I can accept that.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
So could you sit down and said time, sir, sit down? Okay,
thank you, sir. All right, Miss Love, you can complete
your profit, your honor.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Just to relate to the court the observations that members
of our office have made throughout the course of this
morning and throughout the time and we've been getting with
mister Cortland.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Our cause for concern is mister Copeland's communication.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
He is going to to us that he is going
to speak, that he is going to speak on the stand,
that he is going to testify, and watching what happens
when mister gets on the stand. Mister Copeland did not
want to have to be taken into custody. The court
gave him the opportunity to have present in court with
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him someone who is supposed to be representing his best interests.
What we have seen is communication both verbal and nonverbal
between mister Copeland's supposed council and Council for Defendants, and
a look as if I tried from mister Copeland's supposed
council in the direction of Council for the Defendants after
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mister Melnick attempted to assert for mister Copeland, mister Mathiness.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Let her finish. Mister please sit down and I'll let
you start, Okay, all right, thank you sir.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
While mister Copeland is on the stand stating that he
wants to testify, that he will testify rather so we
are watching, and mister Melnick is let me capture on film.
The core can look at it. Mister Melnick turns to
the Direction of Council for the Defendants and motions like.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
Then, upon information and belief. As we are standing out
waiting for the jury to come in, mister Copland requests
to speak with council for the state, but mister Melnick
keeps walking in, walking and walking in, walking in.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Then as important tell you, does the important time tell
you I'm not going to testify. Oh no, I'm vote
the fitth Amendment.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
No.
Speaker 7 (43:48):
As what happens as mister Copeland requested to speak with
the state, he keeps mister Melnick keeps going in regardless
of mister Copland's request to speak with the state. And
then we learn that mister Melnick tells mister Copeland they
are going to hammer you. So Miss Hilton comes back
in and asks me, had I spoken with mister Melnan.
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Had I told him that we are going to hammer
mister Copeland to say, had not made any such communication
with anybody.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
So what we are seeing, we believe is tampering.
Speaker 7 (44:24):
With witnesses, this particular witness, on the part of people
who are not the state. So we are concerned. I
don't know that mister Copeland's interest is being represented when
that interest may not be in alignment with the people
that mister Melnick is communicating with. On breaks and after
mister Copeland has communicated to this court he will testify.
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So watching the goings on as mister Copland is not
on the stand. It has been publicized, it has been
hyped up that mister Copeland is the next witness. Mister
Copland is the witness, and then mister Copeland, he's been
nothing but.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Cordial.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
He's been nothing but communicative with Miss Hilton during the
time that she has been interviewing him and speaking with him.
And the reason Miss Hilton was not in here just
now when the jury came out is that mister Copland
asked to speak with Miss Hilton, but mister Melnick kept
going back in there and going back and there, I'm
going back in there. And the reason that we have
a problem with this is that mister Copeland is not
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facing any charges. For mister Melnick to suggest or say
to him that we're going to hammer him, it causes
us to call into question whose interests he's representing.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
And so we would ask that.
Speaker 7 (45:44):
You know what, I haven't even thought of in my
mind an appropriate remedy at this point, because it is
wrong for parties to inject themselves on behalf of purportedly
one person.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
The allegation here is that the reason why he is
now pleading the fifth is he's been tampered with by
Brian Steele, which is Young Thug's lawyer and his whole
defense team, which represents I believe the five people that's
in this courtroom, maybe seven that's actually did not take
a deal. But I imagine that in this kind of circumstance,
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that's what you allege. That's the kind of stuff that
you alleged. That's what you that's what you say when
you're witness flips. Oh, they are messing with him, like
you have to say something because you have to be
able to defend yourself. And this is what I appreciate
about the court system is that each party has a
chance to say what they need to say. They get
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to interpret the rules the way that they see them.
Case law is also brought into evidence as it pertains
to strengthen in their argument about how they interpreted the law.
For me, it's a it's a mental game. It's a
mind it's a game of the minds. It's of the
highest level of mental warfare. If you ask me, it's
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up there with war and all these different things like that.
I mean because if you believe war is just handled
by pure brute force, then you're wrong. Their strategy involved
in war, and so the mental capacity of people that
are going to war needs to be of the highest
level as well. But when you look at this, if
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you're asking someone like me, which whoever's looking at this
is clearly asking me, this is them pushing back on
the fact that how did he just plead the fifth?
So then you move on the day too. As you heard,
the judge did ask for them to take him into custody.
And in day two what did they do? They let
him stay. They let him stay in jail over the weekend,
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and then he comes out on day two and this
is how he starts. Let's look.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Listen, good a.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Good adhim.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
I gotta said bad you say one to.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Friday movie left?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I actually helped said that you were wrong?
Speaker 6 (48:21):
Thank you God.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Listen good an.
Speaker 8 (48:29):
Good at him?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I gotta said, bet you one to.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
Friday movie left.
Speaker 9 (48:36):
I actually helped old you lie, said that you were wrong?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Can you please how old you are?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Say that again?
Speaker 8 (48:47):
How old you are?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Check too? And again birth? What is your birthday? This night?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Is that July?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
I think?
Speaker 5 (49:09):
So okay?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
And are you born on July twenty five.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, I guess are you from Atlanta? I'm from Cannadville.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Is that section of the city in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (49:23):
I guess yes?
Speaker 8 (49:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
And did you grow up in Mechanicsville for sure?
Speaker 10 (49:29):
Do you say for sure?
Speaker 8 (49:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
And when you grew up you have siblings? Do you
have brothers and sisters?
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
And when you were younger did you live with all
your brothers and sisters?
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Rule sir?
Speaker 10 (49:47):
Yeah, I want to simply talk about your brothers.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
How many brothers do you have?
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Oh rules, sir Lordan Wayne?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Okay? How many?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
I think three?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And what are your three brothers names?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Old rules, sir?
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Kay?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Trade, say that one more time? You said it's fast.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Notes, Bus, Nato, Treads.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
And Boss okay, Nato. What's not A's given name?
Speaker 10 (50:30):
And you just give me the first name I just did, okay, Tres,
what's Tread's first name?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Trades?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
It's Tran's first name, Ron Tress.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I guess all right?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
And now is that Rodney?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I guess okay?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And what's the third nickname you gave me? Bous's boss Rodriguez?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I guess all right?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
And when you were younger, did you go to school?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Where did you attend school?
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I don't know. I went I went to a lot
of different school O.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
What are all the schools you went to?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I don't recall a lot or just some me summer them.
I only know when Slater Slater?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Is that elementary school?
Speaker 10 (51:08):
Or middle?
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Why you don't remember when middle school you went to?
Did you go to middle school? I think?
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Asked them I did.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
How long did you go to Did you finish middle.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
School or ruled? Yeah? I think?
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Okay? Did you go to high school at all?
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah? All right?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
When you went to high school? Did you go to
south Side?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Or rules? Sir?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Did you graduate high school?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Nope? All right?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Do you remember what year you left high school?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (51:38):
All right? After high school? Did you work? No? What
did you do after high school? You weren't working?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Say that again?
Speaker 10 (51:46):
Did you do anything?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
If you weren't working, what were you doing?
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Are you married?
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Are you in a relationship?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Do you have children?
Speaker 3 (52:01):
You know that?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Okay, I do, but the jury doesn't. Do you have children?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yep? All right?
Speaker 7 (52:07):
How many more than one?
Speaker 3 (52:09):
All right?
Speaker 10 (52:10):
Do you have more than three?
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I might ain't No, tending.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay, that's that's fair. Do you have two that you
know of?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (52:19):
Not right?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
And how old are your two children?
Speaker 3 (52:24):
The same age?
Speaker 4 (52:25):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I don't know? Y'all be having me and yeah, so
long I can come.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Were you in jail on Friday.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Prior to Yeah, I was in jail Friday.
Speaker 10 (52:34):
Were you in jail on Thursday?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Thursday came? Yet? No?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Last Thursday?
Speaker 10 (52:39):
That felt like all right when you were in when
you weren't in jail last Thursday, although you felt like it.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
How old were your children?
Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't know the ages.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Are you currently working?
Speaker 3 (52:51):
I mean jail prior to going to jail on Friday?
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Are you currently working?
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Mm?
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Right now?
Speaker 10 (53:03):
You talked about being in jail, which was on Friday
prior to any of this.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Do you have any criminal convictions?
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Offertand how many?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Don't keep up with it?
Speaker 10 (53:19):
Tell the jurors the types of crime that you've been
convicted of?
Speaker 8 (53:25):
Good types?
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Drown without license?
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (53:31):
What up?
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Down with suspended license? Graining from the pollee?
Speaker 1 (53:37):
All right?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
What up? Let me?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Do you have a thought?
Speaker 3 (53:43):
You're putting chuges on me? So I go to jail
for chuges I throw on me.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Okay, do you have a conviction for thatt I taking.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You tell me?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Do you recall having conviction for thatt I take up
in two thousand and nine?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
What did I take?
Speaker 2 (53:58):
M Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I don't know what happened in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Do you call have any convictions for aggravat assault?
Speaker 3 (54:10):
Probably? So?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
What about conviction for entering auto?
Speaker 3 (54:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
What about the terroristic threats? What about do you have
a conviction of terrorist quest?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
I think it aggravated? Help whatever.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Now, as you see, after day, after spending three days
in jail for some reason, Woody doesn't want to plead
the fifth anymore and he agreed to testify. This now
calls in the question how did that change so quick? Again?
I believe they have a strong case for an appeal
with all of the blunders that's been happening along in
this trial, but in particular with Woody going to jail
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for three days and now testifying. You ask yourself, how
do you get there? Well, we may have an answer
here by Brian Steele when he confronts the Judd about
exactly what he heard. And this is where bombshells would
drop that Kenneth Copeland a k a. Little Woody had
met with the judge and the prosecution without Young Thug's
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lawyer being present or made aware of any such meeting.
Let's look at how this transpires in court and how
it plays out.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Sorry, I have an emotion that I need to make
outside the.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Pregnice of mister all right, you can make it right now,
is he?
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Out?
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Let me?
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Is mister Copland out? Okay? Okay, good? All right, yeah,
(55:53):
thank you. Don't quiet the way I understand my consciousitutional
obligations pursuing to the sixth and fourteenth amendments of United
States Constitution the corresponding sections of the Georgia Constitution. I'm
required to make a full and complete statement to the
court for the record, and if for God forbid, this
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goes up on appeal for the appellate courts or another
tribunal commission or administrative body. I was told, based upon
information and belief, that when we arrived at eight thirty
nine o'clock today, we did not come into your courtroom
until almost eleven eleven thirty. And what I found out
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just recently this is not waived. Is that supposedly in chambers,
assignable court, hoble court reporter at times, honorable Court, at
times district attorney or district attorneys from the DA's office,
as well as investigators, sheriff deputies, mister Copeland and his
council met together. None of the defense team, to my knowledge,
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was aware that this was going on. It was told
based onon information belief that it was told to the
disc attorneys that mister Copeland intended to plead the Fifth Amendment.
Then I was told, based upon information belief that Adrian Love,
the lawyer for mister Copeland, and this court were together
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and mis Loved made representations that John Melnick supposedly spoke
with some attorneys for the accused and wrote an email
to miss Love to Adrian Love stating that Miss Melling
dies not represent the witness, and that mister Melnick wrote
an email saying FU. And then somehow that email was
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c seed to me that never start. Can I interrupt
you in just a second.
Speaker 5 (57:53):
I'm kind of disturbed because that sex party, all that
was an ex partey conversation.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
How did you find out about any of that? Well,
I'm going to disturb too, And the reason I'm asking
you a question, and how did you find out about it?
I'm going to ask you the question, Okay, scuttle, If
you look at SCU D D er versus State, which
is two ninety eight Georgia four three eight, it's Division
two seven eight two Southeast two D six three eight
twenty sixteen, our highest court says when a court meets,
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because mister Copland comes in meets with the court, the
court supposedly made statements, which I assume is somehow what
accurate baseballon what you just said. We're entitled, mister Williams
and every other person wrongly charge here is entitled under
the Georgia Constitution to be present.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
That's a pretty good stage. It's just like when you
meet with me, and you and mister Adams meet and
others have met with me. It's it's those Rexs party
for a lot of different other reasons. But I will
I will certainly note that for purposes record.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
Well, I'm going forward. What I was told was that
mister Copland said, and you haven't answered my question yet.
I'm not how to use that question. You're not no,
I will not answer that. Why will you not answer
that question? Because I want to make sure that what
I say is accurate, and I'm not trying to No, No,
I'm asking you, how did you get this information? Telling
the court what I'm saying is based fine information. Okay,
(59:12):
well listen, If you don't tell me how you got
this information, then you and I are going to have
some problems. We can have this. I have problems right now, Okay,
I know. Look I don't I don't want to know
about your problems. Okay, at this point in time. All
I'm asking you at this point in time is how
did you come upon this information? Look, if the case
gets reviewed, the record is going to be available for
for for O appellate court and for whatever reason. But
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it's disturbing that how, somehow you have surreptitiously gotten information
in regards to the court's private exparty conversations with a party.
I mean, I'm Arnie witness who has sworn in Friday.
The Court's telling this is what I was told. If
it's not true, not true, this court you're standing, tell
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me how you got tell me how you got the information. Listen,
tell me how you got the information. Then we can
go ahead and go forward. I'm not going to say that.
What I'm going to say is this I was told,
and I hope this.
Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Concerns the court. It concerns me that you have proprietary information.
Why is it for information that that that you should
not be having?
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
That was ex party? Why with a party? Why State
of Georgia? How about the witness? How about mister Copeland
who supposedly announced he's not testifying and he'll sit for
two years, and then supposedly that's this honorable court. Okay,
let me refers to this court supposedly said I can
hold you until the end of this trial. Miss Hilton
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supposedly said, actually all of the defendants and then all
twenty six people are disposed of. If that's true. What
this is is coercion, witness intimidation, ex party communications that
we have a conscious right to be present for. So
I understand that you're upset towards me, but I don't
know what I did, mister Steal. I want how did
you come upon this information? Who told you? What I
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want to know is why wasn't I why?
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Sir?
Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I'm gonna hold you in contempt if you don't tell
me who this is? Tell me who this information?
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
So you see the threats of contempt. For people who
don't know what that means, it means I'm gonna lock
you up as a lawyer of thirty three years without
with a flawless record. I'm gonna send you to jail
if you don't tell me how you got this information.
What we're dealing with, ladies and gentlemen, is the equivalent
of your girlfriend going in your phone. However, she got
into your phone figured out that, Yo, you've been cheating
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on me and you have another family across the across
the city, you have another family on the west side.
She comes at you about the unannounced child that you had,
and you say, YO, you broke my trust. You went
in my phone. How dare you look at my phone
when you ain't got no being in looking in my phone?
And instead of answering the question as to you mean
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to tell me you've had another family or you've been
married the entire time and I just slipped up on
this information, you'll tell her you're a dirty mother for
going inside of my phone without me knowing. That's the
equivalent of what we're dealing with at a very low level. Now,
what's interesting is is accord to Brian Steel right here.
(01:02:12):
That's something you may have missed that he said. He
said that in the meeting that you had with Kenneth Copeland,
which is why I said, Woody and the prosecution, you
guys let him know that not only do you lock
him up until thug is out of the way, which
would have probably been a mistried immediately. So that's that,
(01:02:35):
But not only that, but I'm gonna hold you until
all twenty seven people are done with that says to
him that he may be facing another five years just
for not saying something. Now, what I believe to happen,
and we'll get to the rest of his argument here
in a second. What I believe to happen for Woody
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is that some legal counsel explained to him how to
answer questions, because if he does testify and they catch
him lying, then they get him for perjury. But we're
gonna set that to the side for a minute and
examine this altercation between this judge and Brian Steele, who's
been practicing law for thirty three years. Here's a judge
(01:03:17):
that's upset that he had up that he had a
conversation with a sworn in witness outside of the presence
of any legal defense team outside of the presence of
any of the defense legal team, and now he's classifying
it ex party, which means some kind of protected conversation.
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So now he threatens to throw them in jail. Pay attention.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Well, then, answering that question, that's attorney client privileged information.
Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
I'm not an attorney client privileged unless you were in
my chambers.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
That's the only way you can figure out I am.
I'll tell you what. I'm gonna give you five minutes.
If you don't tell me, don't have to. You don't
tell me who it is, I'm gonna put you in
I'm gonna put you in contempt because that is not
attorney client privilege, attorney work product privilege. I am not.
How did you How did you get that information supposedly
from my chambers? Did somebody tell you I'm not? You
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should have told me he got five minutes? Well, I
don't need it. I want to continue. We got this
is what I was told, Mister Coper says. Mister Copley
made statements to that he admitted to killing Donovan Thomas,
and don't take my notes.
Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
No, no, no, no, no. What I imagine happened at
that break is for him to go try to look
at some case. I'll see how he can wiggle out
of those whatever scenario he finds himself in. Brian Steele
had the attorney client work product privilege. This he's he's
going to stand on. You know, most lawyers would have
just gave the information all this, Honorable Court, I'm gonna
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go ahead and give the information out of interests of
DA DA DA. For Brian Steele, he's riding all the way.
So whatever happened, and he is he is effectively putting
him himself in a scenario where he could go to
jail for this. Now he knows who he is, so
I'm not staying in jail for this. I'm sure in
his mind he's saying, there's no way I'm staying in
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jail for no shit like this. I ain't done anything.
And then they had a meeting outside outside of our knowledge,
with a sworn and witness. So I have every right
to try to bring this to the course tension. But
you see the judge, and we've saw this before in
Meek Mills case, where the judges get this power trip
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and they'll start slinging mud and then they'll just already
be known in their head. Yo, I'm retiring after this,
but I'll sling mud all around his courtroom. So he's
basically saying, snitch on how you got the information, or
go to jail. Brian still is saying, I'm going to jail.
Let's pay attention to what happens after that break, All.
Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Right, mister Steve. Before I recessed, I asked you, how
did you get this information? And it is not covered
by work product. There's only one way you could have
gotten now, so I'm gonna ask you again, and I
respect that, and it gives me no joy. But I said,
you know, Georgia, real professional conduct, Please check me for
one point six common five reads, and this is what
I have. One point six. I know, I know what
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the rule says, but here's the thing. Well, I'm just
there's only one way you could have gotten So I'm
I'm gonna ask you again, and I respect that, and
it gives me no joy. But I said, you know, Georgia,
real professional cond oft please check me for one point
six common five reads, and this is what I have.
One point six. I know lives.
Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
I know what the rule says, but here's the thing. Well,
just what you've got, but you But in order you
know you in you need to please tell me who
you got it from. I'm not asking you some in
substance of anything as of yeat okay, but I need
you to tell me how you got the information.
Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
If you don't tell me how you got the information,
I'm going to holding contempt. I understand it. I don't
want to be helping content and I don't want to
hold you in contempt. But you.
Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
But it's but this is so sacricyc to have a
conversation in my chambers parroted to you and others.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
It is that serious. Yeah, and that's why I raise
it is that serious that we should have been there
and scoun't happen, sir.
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
That's a that's a whole that's a whole, separate issue,
and that's that That's why, that's why ex parte conversations
are recorded.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Why why would it but the X party and it's party. No,
it's X party because that's what the state asked me
to do. It's just like when you asked me for
an next party conversation. If never asked this on a
court or any court to meet with me in a
witness Sir, you're you're straying off the issue and not
the issue is. The issue is how did you who?
(01:07:45):
How did you get this information? Saying issue? I promise
you I understand it. But what I'm trying to ask
you is, if you look at common five, this is
how I understand the law. You cannot You can't violate
something and then and then use privilege, not anything. But
that's why I'm saying, how did you get for information?
But just listen to what trying to tell you. Okay,
but you're threatening to the contemp. This would occur the
privilege and one point six would occur if you if
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you were in the right place, right time to begin with,
you weren't. Let me tell you, I'm just reading from it.
But if I'm reading it wrong, I'm not trying to
its stays. One point six supplies not merely to matters
communicated in confidence by the client, but also to all
information gained in the professional relationship, whatever it's sourced. So
you're asking me to break your ordering up. Maybe you're
asking me, I'm not saying your ordering, but to give
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you information. And you're saying it's not some in substance.
But I'm telling you I can't do that under the ballroom.
All right, Well, I'm going to hold you in contempt
and you can. You can think about it.
Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
Five o'clock today, we'll see, we'll see where you are
at that stand on that point. Because no, that's not
what I that's not what I understand the rule to be.
I've not asked you some in substance of what was said.
I asked you how you got it. You can't do that,
Yes you can, because I have an idea how you
got it. Well, you're right, I have an idea how
you got it. But that's improper.
Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Soy, your idea may be wrong. And you're asking me
to listen. I told you the first time, and I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I don't want to hold you in contempt. But this
is that serious. Judge, you not ease. You cannot easdrop
and get get information that was not not meant for
you to hear at that particular point time you, Judge,
listen and listen. I'll do whatever you want to five
o'clock or thereafter, but one trying to tell you is
your honor. This is so serious to me. We need
to hear it, and I'm moving for a mistrial. It
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is my understanding based upon information, belief from whom, art
of it, from whom. Well, I'd like to get the
substance first, and then I then would okay, well, and
then then you'll be in custody until then because I
because because you need to tell me how you got
the information.
Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
I'm not asking you what was said. You've already kind
of given us some snippets of what you said. That
tells me that somebody paroted that information to you. So
you're assuming something because I told you over well, then,
other than if you were if you were sitting unless
you were sitting in there with a recorder, or Mislove
or Miss Hilton or one of the deputies gave you
that information, or Miss Weaver shot you a rough copy
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of the transcript, there's only one other person's left, well,
your honor, and and if that person gave you that
information or share that information with you, she.
Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Probably violated privilege. Well, let me let me tell you
two things. One, I don't know how that is a
privileged communication. It shouldn't be because she has a client
she's supposed to represent. You talk about anyways I'm not
going to have like what I got.
Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
This going to make sure that I'm not going to
have you for the conversation about this. I want to
know the question still remains. I want to know how
who gave you the information?
Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
I'd like to know what information happened outside of presence.
That's really it. He can go into custody this book,
I think before it needs to again declare a mis
trib based upon okay, and I'm going to deny. I'm
going to denomination. I'm gonna deny your most understanding. You
spoke with the witness outside of our present and whenever, Yes,
I have a Nick Partay conversation, which is which is appropriate,
and you influence the witness and based on information belief,
and I'd like to have that all in the record.
(01:10:43):
All right, man, I don't know why that's so hard
to do. If nothing happened bad, that's fine. But you're
acting like, tell me who it is and don't talk
about the substance. Why can't Why can't we have an
issue that was outside of presence It should not have
been because you got some information that you shouldn't have
gotten mine. Well, we can that's that. That's for another day.
So why why in the first place, I didn't know
(01:11:04):
about this? Raised another way, So I raised it as
soon as we found out about Well, I gave you
the case I'm relying on. I assume you read it.
If you didn't read it, you should read it. It's
a material part, a critical part of the case. When
a judge speaks with a witness outside the presence of
the accused. The court has said it's right there on
Division two. That is a material or critical part of
the case. And it's an automatically diversal mister Steele. But
you're acting like it's mister Steele, that is not when
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when that is not the case, when somebody discloses information
and a ex partey conversation that that the one of
the parties lawfully asked me a whole You're not supposed
to have communication with a witness who's being sworn.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
You know that. I'm not I'm not telling you.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I'm just saying, if you read the case, I'm assuming
you read it. That's what it says, and you did
it the supposed the state wish to be heard. You
say you said it supposedly, And what I'm trying to
get to is why did that happen outside of presence?
Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
And I need to have the that's him calling for help?
Does the state need to be heard? Dane even saying
that's him calling for help because he know he bagging
me in the corner. I don't really know how to
wig a lot of this, like y'all need to help
me wig a lot of this. That's what it comes
off as because the state didn't object. So in court
there's indicators, there's things that you can do to let
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Yanna know and the court know that. Yo, I'm ready
to speak or hold on. I need to say something
about that. The state never objected to anything. Why all
of a sudden does the judge scream does the state
want to be heard in the middle of him having
a discourse with Brian Steele, which is one young Thug's lawyer,
about having a meeting with the lead witnessed outside of
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the accused defense. I mean to me, this is a
very interesting time. It seems like corruption.
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Pay attention and respectful question that transfer that you mentioned
to be given to us so we could really understand it,
and then anything that was not on a transferp if
anything that we understand what happened outside our presence, and
now you have put it where somehow I have to reveal.
And I told you, I told you the first time,
i'd be breaching one point six. And I know you're
assuming something.
Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I don't think you're breaching one point six. You can't
hide behind one point six. You can't hide behind you.
But the thing is, I think you got this information.
Somebody disclosed it to you. And that's the only way
you could have gotten what I got unless you're sitting there.
Unless you're sitting there, you're eavesdropping. So so you can't
use something ordinarily that you had no business getting to
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begin with. And then stand on, well, hey, we didn't
give you the information, or that a party didn't give
you the information.
Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
So your honor. But that's the issue, isn't it. Well, well,
you know that's that's it's at least issue that leads
to be, that leads to be told. But they right now,
we don't know, Missus, why we went we were excluded
from that, Missus Williams. Constitution rights, Georgia con just stop
at this point in time, because articles because you've already
said that you've already said was a constitution and we
had a right to be present. Mister, we're not waiving anything, yes, ma'am.
(01:13:53):
Thanks well, and you're on a and I know I
said this previously. Kids, We are not accepting any profit
this okay, excuse me, okay, all rights.
Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
To the court. The court has inquired. We have no
way of knowing what it is or who it was
that disclosed information that was contained within an X party conversation.
Not only was there an X party communication between that
we requested as a state to be on record with
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the court, but there was communication made, I believe, to
a person and his lawyer.
Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (01:14:41):
Know that the reason that councils took the podium was
to address that particular issue so much as it was
to try and assert and an accurate what he calls
fact and put it out there in the open as
if it were true. But we certainly have the right
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to request xparte communications. That's why we asked that the
court reporter be present. This is a matter that the
defendants did not have a right to be a part of,
as this was a matter regarding a civil contempt that
the court imposed upon a person for not obeying the
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court's directive. The state read the case that mister Steele cited.
It does not stand for the proposition he asserts that
it does, and regarding further legal support for our position,
we would provide that to the court. But we are
more concerned that information that is disclosed in an ex
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parte setting gets relayed to the parties who are not.
Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Privy to that.
Speaker 7 (01:15:54):
The whole purpose of the XPARTA request was so that
that did not happen, and we expressed on the record
our concerns and our reasons for concern regarding that. We
believe that without more information about how that information got
relayed to the defendants, we cannot make the kind of
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assertion IDE inclined to make. So before making the next
set of assertions, I would need to know how that
information was made privy to them.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
So what you're seeing is on the record, because it's
important that it's just not the judge against the defense
team back and forth. He has to insert the State
in there so he can still act like he's remaining
impartial and just weighing in on these two gripes. Because
it seemed like the State wasn't objecting to the meeting.
(01:16:50):
Nothing that was said. They was just like Oh my god,
he found out. But what you're dealing with is the
judge said, does the state want to be heard? That's signaling.
That's a signal, get up and say something so I
can do my one too. Now what you hear her
say is another mental jiu jitsu mind trick was what
joanna Before we could move forward, we kind of need
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to know who told them, And so long as she's
on the record presenting that, that gives him the ability
to act like he's impartial in weigh in those two
having that point of contingent and that disagreement as to
how things got where they are. But if we are
going from the natural order of things, it actually looked
(01:17:32):
like that she wasn't gonna object to anything being said.
Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Two counselors for the defendive we did not.
Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
Act inappropriately or outside of the rules of professional responsibility,
and if need be, we will reach out to the
state by ourselves and ask what the appropriate remedy is
for everything that has happened over the last two days,
well the last two work days, because we.
Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Are extremely concerned.
Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
We have observed a number of actions on the parts
of a number of people that I am not comfortable
stating publicly at this.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Time, but that.
Speaker 7 (01:18:09):
Would appear to call for being addressed in some other way.
So as to mister Steele's request, I guess it was
for mistrial. I'm not even certain what all that was.
I think it was probably more to make inaccurate assertions
on the record public to whomever was within listening shot
of his voice. And we would ask that the court
strike everything that he said from the time he stood
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up and started talking after the Court asked him where
it was that he obtained the information that was made
Privy in Council or this court. All right, and regarding
Rule one point six, your honor, we read one point
six every standing there. One point six in no way
shields mister Steele's answer that the court requested he give.
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Rule one point six has to do with attorney client privilege,
and that is information that mister Steele obtained from his
client regarding whatever matters. I don't know if the information
was leaked to his client from someone who was in chambers,
or if the information was leaked directly to mister Steele.
In either event, it is concerning and in no way
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falls under the protections of rule one point six. If
the Court would allow me a moment regarding regarding further
appropriate remedies, genre we would ask the Court for an
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opportunity to further look into appropriate remedies for circumstances such
as this, apart from what the Court has already said,
because it's grave enough when information is leaked from within
the Court's chambers regarding a matter that has been requested
as ex parte, and.
Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
We would ask for the.
Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Opportunity to present to the court additional appropriate remedies that
we believe are available for.
Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Sure, and your.
Speaker 7 (01:20:07):
Honor also, unless it's mister Adams representing mister Steele in
the capacity as someone who has been held in contempts,
mister Steele just argued whatever it is that they are
trying to argue based on information we believe illegally obtained
from the court chambers.
Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
I represent Missus Williams, and my savements are in regards
to my representation Miss Williams. He has two attorneys, heyes,
But the court now having found Missus Steel in contempt
at court continues in that position that leads mister Williams
represented at least at this juncture by myself, that puts
me in a position of making short court as a
way of that, I am in received of the same
information that mister Steel received. I'm of the same opinion
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that the court is engaged in behavior of that I
believe compromise and corrupts the continuation of this trial. I
do believe that we are entitled to and should receive
a copy of the transcript so that if full investigation
can be made. That's what we believe has occurred here.
And so I take the same position as Steel. I
am asked him for a mistrial, as he did previously,
and I'm telling the court that I do not believe
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that we can proceed at this point based upon the
information that we've received. And frankly, I don't believe the
state has any say in that my state, mister, and
regards my representation of mister Williams. And if Missus Steel
is going to be holding contempt, I have exactly the
same position.
Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I also, Well, I asked, I asked him, so I
didn't ask you. Yeah, So, but I'm I'll leave it
at that. Okay, when is it Missus Shart? Thanks John.
Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
As you know, I represent Shannon Stillwell on behalf of
Shannon Stillwell. I am going to be moving for a mistrial.
First and foremost, I just want to clear up a
few things that have been said today. We were instructed
to come eight thirty four, nine o'clock start. I would
not be honest with the court if I said I
was here at eight thirty, but I was probably here
about eight forty. We did not start till a pro
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I'm estimating eleven o'clock. Clearly, we figured something was going on.
We were given no information about any meeting, who was meeting,
what the meeting was about, or whether the meeting was
ex partey or not ex partey, who requested the meeting,
who was in the meeting. We were completely in the dark,
and quite frankly, we kind of remained in the dark.
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I am not a false accuser, Okay. I do not
just really nearly accuse people of things. So I'm not
going to throw out spurious allegations like the ones that
have been thrown at me over the past couple of
days that are absurd.
Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
But I will say, your.
Speaker 11 (01:22:43):
Honor, what I do know is just based on what
we've heard over the last twenty minutes. It appears there
was a meeting that I knew nothing about that involved
your Honor, the district attorneys and a witness who had
been sworn in my client was not given an opportunity
to be present at this critical stage. This was a
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critical stage in this trial. That error is a foundational
structural error in this case, and it is the cause
for an immediate mistrial. Additionally, Your Honor, I believe that
this meeting again, I'm going to ask for the transcript,
and I'm going to ask for the recordings as well,
should they exist. But I believe that this may have also,
this meeting with a witness without us president may have
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made the district attorneys and or your honor a witness
to this in this case, a material witness in this case.
And finally, Your Honor, I'm going to ask for as
soon as possible, I'm going to ask that these proceedings
be halted until we can obtain an accurate final transcript
for what occurred where none of the defense, none of
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the defendants, or defense council will be present for and
also the recordings of that meeting so we can see
where we are.
Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Again.
Speaker 11 (01:23:55):
I'm not going to sit up here and make false
accusations or spiritus allegations, but I do think we need
to figure out what happened. We need to be in
the know and not in the dark about what happened
when a meeting occurs with a witness that has been
sworn in.
Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So what you're gonna see over these videos that we
just played is you're watching in my opinion, Young Thug
and the rest of the defense team council head into
a different aspect of this fight. It's almost like a
Javonte Davis and one of these guys fighting, Bud Crawford
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boots one of these guys fighting, and about the third round,
they see, oh, y'all want to fight like that. So
I'm gonna play to the judges. So I'm gonna start
just tapping you knowing that we playing a points game.
I ain't gonna brawl with you because you don't want
to brawl. You know, Floyd Mayweather was famous for whooping
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you on the score Carse right because he played to
the judges, And so that's the exact same thing we're
seeing here. We're seeing that Young Thug and their defense
team are saying, Okay, in our opinion, the judge isn't
being fair and he's not gonna be honest and impartial.
How he views this trial. So now I'm playing to
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the score cause which is the record. So all of
these conversations you hit him having this is in the
appeal to the record. This is an appeal on the record.
All these conversations are on the record. There's someone typing this,
so when they go to the appeal process, they get
to tell the appellic course. Look, we were saying this,
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we were saying this, this is what we said in
real time. They just ignored it. I do think the
situation where they had this meeting is damaging to the trial.
I'm a sparist the rest of this video, and we're
gonna look at the point of time when he made
a decision to go ahead and take Brian still in
the custody.
Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
You really getting yourselves cross purposes at this point in time, sir.
I'm telling you you are, at this point in time,
you've made some things out of nothing. I think that
you're I think that you're on very precarious ground this
point in time. So I'm telling you, at this point
in time, he's in cus C. We're gonna go ahead
and start. You can represent mister Williams. That's okay, that's fine.
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I'll take up the other stuff as as needed, but.
Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
I'm not going to take it up right now, sir.
You have to well, you're gonna have to do the best.
Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
You're gonna have to do the best you can this
point in time because you don't get to extort the court.
That's what you're attempting to do at this point in time, sir, Yes,
you are. What you're trying to do is I'm not
going forward if I don't get this. You know, it
doesn't work that way, Miss Adams. And I'm telling you,
at this point in time, I would I would just
kind of govern yourself accordingly, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I'm telling you, as the court under these particular.
Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Circumstances, everything will come out as as.
Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
As it should. I don't think.
Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
I don't think, sir, Sir, I don't have enough information
this point in time to address it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
But but I'm telling you this point in time, there
is nothing that was given said whatever this morning that
any accuracy for some But sure, I don't even know
you're you're your co counsel. Your co counsel won't even
tell me who.
Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Said who said whatever? Okay, okay, and and and.
Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
The challenge I'm having in this paper circumstances that is
such a violation of the sacris sankness of the Court's chambers.
And then next party conversation, you're you're.
Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Just glossing over that.
Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
You're glossing over that, and it's entirety No, it's not, sir, sir,
is not. That's not what that's that's that's not what happened.
That's that's not what that's happened. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
That's not what happened. I'm just telling you that's not
what happened.
Speaker 9 (01:27:47):
Respectfully, we are not obligated specimply said that.
Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
We believe that. Okay, well then you've made you've made it.
You've made it.
Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
Now we're not doing that at this point in time,
so you'll have a choice to make. All right, takes
take mister Steele and the Cussi police.
Speaker 8 (01:28:12):
Hyah for me.
Speaker 7 (01:28:23):
One moment to confirm the council regarding the appropriate remaing.
Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Okay, all right, m yes, sir, you certainly may. Sir
Williams does not wish to go forward without me being here.
You were removing me against his will and my will,
and you're taking away's right to counsel, and you're conducting
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material parts of this trial without me present, and I
can't learn about it by watching online. So for that reason, additionally,
I asked for a mistrial, and I assume you deny,
but I'd like you to deny our emotions for mist
He denied the other people. I deny your motion, but
I'll certainly take that under advisement.
Speaker 8 (01:29:04):
Sir.
Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
We're gonna be in recess for the next five minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
So you see this judge make one of the bowlder
moves I've ever seen in the history of court proceedings,
which is locked this lawyer up because he wouldn't tell
you how he got that information. Now, after that, they
did pull up case law that supports that lawyers have
been locked up before. But this is a very rare
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occurrence for Brian still to be so respected in his genre,
in his practice and have to go through that, that
is devastating. That's devastating. But I truly believe he laid
on the cross for thug. Also after he done this
to Brian Steel, what happens, you guessed it? Twenty five
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lawyers show up, they said, two three dozen lawyers show
up outside of the courtroom, because now you got all
of us upset. Now you got people that's just gonna
be coming through all of the paperwork, all of your rulings.
You got twenty five different lawyers that's now gonna be
obsessed with your handling up this trial and your abusive
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power in that way. Brian still still have not said
anything up until this point, but he calls in the
big dogs. What we're about to watch now is the
lawyer that made Fanny Willis bag up off of Donald Trump.
Her name's Ashley Merchant. She is not one of them.
The judge tried to hold court that didn't want the
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spectacle of having all of those lawyers come in because
they were there to support Brian still in him being
held in criminal contempt for not sharing what he is
calling privileged information that could compromise his status with the
person that he's representing, which is young thug. All of
these lawyers show up. The judge now brings up some
(01:31:06):
sort of safety issue and he doesn't want all the
lawyers in. Let's pay attention to Ashley and how she
navigates around these very very tough ter range. Pay attention.
Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
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All right, thank you for your patients, counsels, the quartet, Optreen,
you reflect, and mister Stel could to ask you to
take the Podian police as well, not say next year, attorneys. Okay,
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miss Merchant, mister Steele, and I apologize. What Stell your
last name for.
Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
US s us or Sierra Uniforms, Sierra Oscar.
Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
You're good man, good Man, okay, all right, okay, all right,
thank you, sir. Okay, mister Schuster as well.
Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
All right, counselors, I've made a clarification or to the
order of contempt, mister Steele, I am going to hold
you under still hold you in summary criminal contempt pursuing
to O c J fifteen Dash one, Dash three, Subpart
three for your failure to comply with my earlier order
to today, I'm going to order that you'd be taking
into custom uh incarcerated the Fulton kind of jail for
no more than twenty days for this contempt those twenty
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days consisting of every weekend for the next ten weekends,
and you'll be reporting to nine on one Right Street, Northwest, Atlanta, Georgia,
three oh three eighteen et cet.
Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Okay, so let me catch you all up. Because they
didn't address this first. He was gonna send them with
jail and let them stay in jail. He had got
so out of hand that even the States stood up
and said, Yanna, can you please not do this because
that'll ruin your case. What you're doing is you're putting
thug in trial without his lead attorney. That's not a
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fair trial. The dude didn't know everything about the case.
You're locking them up because you won't tell you about
some information. So you're violating his constitutional right, which is
he is able to have an attorney. And so he
had got so power drunk that even the state had
to stand up and say, Yanna, can you please rethink that,
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and can we please have Brian Steele out here while
the trial is going on. Maybe you take him in
jail afterwards, but we definitely want him to be present
for young Thug and his cross examination and all these
different things, because they know that's an automatic appeal, and
so he then goes into his chambers looking at some
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case law and then this is where we are now.
He comes back with this stuff. Pel attention on Fridays.
Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
You'll be released on seven pm on Sundays. And it's
just commenced this Friday, June the fourteenth, at seven pm
and not to until Sunday, August the eighteenth, at twenty
twenty four to seven pm, subject to further order of
this court, and that will be entered in e file
and you may take whatever steps you and your council
deem appropriate after that. Okay, I ask the question, sure,
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I'm going to file on this on field. But for
whatever reason that doesn't take and you don't give a bond,
then I'd ask that I can be with mister Williams
and we work on our case all weekend, for all
those weekends. Otherwise I can't prepare. I speak with missus Williams.
All that's up to you, and sir, I will say
if that, if that comes to pass, you have my
my support. I will, I will, I will talk with
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our sheriff and we may be able to make that work. Okay,
if that should occur. Okay, all right, okay, all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's the real deal. Brian Steele. You in me, Yeah,
that's the real deal. Brian Steele. You're what he said, Yo, Yohannie.
If you is gonna lock me up, I need to
stay with Dougs so we can chop it up about
the trial. Otherwise I can't see. This is where you
got to notice about lawyers and how he is understanding
that they're on the record, so he's gonna say otherwise
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I can't prepare because if you don't allow that, there's
another loophole we can explore, like you leaving shit open
and again, when you have the judge against you, you
now play to the judges. Which is the record.
Speaker 7 (01:35:36):
That affords mister Williams the right during these proceedings. Wild
Court is in session to both counsel for both of
his counsels. For mister Steele to be present in the courtroom,
he can still be held in contempt, but for mister
Williams to have representation of both mister Steele and mister Adams.
Wild Court is in session and that the court's remedy
does not affect his ability to have his council of
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choice representing during this trial.
Speaker 12 (01:36:01):
Later in the day, and I mean the evening after
seven pm, Attorney Ashley Merchant came to court to represent
Brian Steele in this contempt matter.
Speaker 13 (01:36:08):
Judge, just for the record is, so is the criminal contempt?
Is it criminal contempt that you held him in? Yes,
ma'am okay, and you said you had a hearing earlier today.
Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
I know I'm with criminal contemp. I told him what
the contempt was, and that was he refused to tell
order the court. If counsel, as you know, if court
orders you to do something and you don't, that's criminal contempt.
So I've asked him several times, please just tell me
who it is that told you that. I didn't ask
or inquire about anything.
Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
That was said.
Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
I just want to know who it was, because he's
got too much detail of this particular alleged conversation for
the court to be concerned about it.
Speaker 13 (01:36:38):
So, and Judge, since it is a criminal contempt, he
is entitled to due process.
Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
He's entitled to a.
Speaker 13 (01:36:42):
Hearing, entitled to an actual show cause, entitled to the
allegations actually written, entitled to a witness list.
Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
We're entitled to present our own witness list.
Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
And notice that contemp. Criminal contempt is different. It is
on the spot. So he's gotten the due process he's
going to get. That's on the spot, I told him.
Plus he's had all day to tell me who it
is that is it so a little different, miss March
And I want to disagree with you, but.
Speaker 13 (01:37:02):
Well, Judge, just for the record, it's that's direct. So
what you're holding him in is in direct criminal contempt.
Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Yes.
Speaker 13 (01:37:08):
The issue with the direct criminal contempt is whether or
not to actually hold it hearing now, whether or not
it needs to be held immediately. And the problem is
if you hold him in direct criminal contempt as you're
saying that you did, you are a witness to that
proceeding and so it has to be referred to another judge.
Doesn't require rikiusel. You actually have to sue a sponte
send it to another judge because you're a witness to yourceeding.
Speaker 12 (01:37:25):
You're anything like me, you are always cleaning up the mess,
especially with pets and kids around the house, so having
cleaning products, especially my life first order at our one bit,
Judge Glanville held Brian Steele in contempt.
Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Mister Steel, I am going to hold you ender still
hold you in summary criminal contempt pursuant OCJA fifteen Dash one,
Desk three, sub Part three, for your failure to comply
with my earlier order. To today, I'm going to order
that you'd be taking in no custom incarcerated the Fulton
kind of deal for no more than twenty days for
this contempt. Those twenty days consisting of every weekend for
the next ten weekends, and you'll be reporting to nine
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on one Right Street, Northwest, Atlanta, Georgia, three oh three
eighteen at seven pm on Fridays.
Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
You'll be released on seven pm on Sundays. And it's
just commenced this Friday, June the fourteenth, at seven pm
and not to enuntil Sunday, August the eighteenth at twenty
twenty four to seven pm, subject to further order in
this court.
Speaker 12 (01:38:17):
Now, after the judge said that Brian Steele was going
to have to spend his weekends in jail, Steele had
just one request.
Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
I answer a question. Sure, I'm going to follow us
with people, but for whatever reason that doesn't take and
you don't give a bond, then I'd ask that I
can be with mister Williams and we work on our
case all weekend for all those weekends. Otherwise I can't prepare.
I speak with mister Williams also, that's up to you
and Sir I will if that, if that comes to pass,
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you have my support, will I will. I will talk
with our sheriff.
Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
And so these are some of the arguments that you hear. Now,
what I truly believe is that now you get the
big dogs involved, you get way too many more people
involved in this case of these tedious lawyers that are
looking for loopholes, looking for what the file. You don't
just throw a lawyer in jail like that, bro. You
gotta have respect for the overall sanctuary that you guys
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have to share, because they can become tedious the same
way the judge can become tedious. And this can be
a very interesting, very interesting chess match between the two. Again,
he has Ashley Merchant, which is the lady that represents
Trump in his election fraud case in Folton County in
which Fanny Willis and the DA has decided to press
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the brakes or press Pauls on that. I think this
trial goes further and further. What I see happening next
is yo, they do why I said what is gonna
be looking like Frank Martin in there. You know, first round,
he come in, I plead the fifth, Second round, I
see a little something. Third round, I say a little
some sell may Brown.
Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
He tired of this shit.
Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
They either gonna catch him in period. You're real, they
gonna play the tape. Something gonna happen in the later
rounds because they're stalling him out. They're weighing him down.
They know you don't want to keep. The longer you
do it like this, the longer we gonna be doing
this is what they're telling him. But you got to say, yo,
I can't sit there and send my partner down like that.
I don't know what y'all folks doing, but it is
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what it is. Let's move on. That's my take on
Thug up until this point. We'll keep on, We'll keep
We'll keep you guys updated