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September 26, 2025 36 mins

Podcast: Redefining Society and Technology
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______Title: Tech Entrepreneur and Author's AI Prediction - The Last Book Written by a Human Interview  | A Conversation with Jeff Burningham | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli

______Guest: Eli Lopian
Founder of Typemock Ltd | Author of AIcracy: Beyond Democracy | AI & Governance Thought Leader
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elilopian/
Book: https://aicracy.ai

Host: Marco Ciappelli
Co-Founder & CMO @ITSPmagazine | Master Degree in Political Science - Sociology of Communication l Branding & Marketing Advisor | Journalist | Writer | Podcast Host | #Technology #Cybersecurity #Society 🌎 LAX 🛸 FLR 🌍

WebSite: https://marcociappelli.com
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marco-ciappelli/

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Podcast Summary ⸻ 
I had one of those conversations that makes you question everything you thought you knew about democracy, governance, and the future of human society. Eli Lopian, founder of TypeMock and author of the provocative book on AI-cracy, walked me through what might be the most intriguing political theory I've encountered in years.


Article ⸻ 

Technology entrepreneur Eli Lopian joins Marco to explore "AI-cracy" - a revolutionary governance model where artificial intelligence writes laws based on abundance metrics while humans retain judgment. This fascinating conversation examines how we might transition from broken democratic systems to AI-assisted governance in our evolving Hybrid Analog Digital Society.

Picture this scenario: you're sitting in a pub with friends, listening to them argue about which political rally to attend, and suddenly you realize something profound. As Eli told me, it's like watching people fight over which side of the train to sit on while the train itself is heading in completely the wrong direction. That metaphor perfectly captures where we are with democracy today.

Eli's background fascinates me - breaking free from a religious upbringing at 16, building a successful AI startup for the past decade, and now proposing something that sounds like science fiction but feels increasingly inevitable. His central premise stopped me in my tracks: no human being should be allowed to write laws anymore. Only AI should create legislation, guided by what he calls an "abundance metric" - essentially optimizing for human happiness, freedom, and societal wellbeing.

But here's where it gets really interesting. Eli isn't proposing we hand over control to a single AI overlord. Instead, he envisions three separate AI systems - one controlled by the government, one by the opposition, and one by an NGO - all working with the same data but operated by different groups. They must reach identical conclusions for any law to proceed. If they disagree, human experts investigate why.

What struck me most was how this could actually restore direct democracy. In ancient Athens, every citizen participated in the polis. We can't do that with hundreds of millions of people, but AI could process everyone's input instantly. Imagine submitting your policy ideas directly to an AI system that responds within hours, explaining why your suggestion would or wouldn't improve societal abundance. It's like having the Athenian square scaled to modern complexity.

The safeguards Eli proposes reveal his deep understanding of human nature. No AI can judge humans - that remains strictly a human responsibility. Citizens don't vote for charismatic politicians anymore; they vote for actual policies. Every three years, people choose their preferred policies. Every decade, they set ambitious collective goals - cure cancer, reach Mars, whatever captures society's imagination.

Living in our Hybrid Analog Digital Society, we already see AI cree

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