Guest: Joseph Carson, Chief Security Scientist (CSS) & Advisory CISO, Delinea
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephcarson/
Hosts:
Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/sean-martin
Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast & Audio Signals Podcast
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
____________________________
Episode Notes
At AISA Cyber Con 2024, amidst the bustling energy of Melbourne, the conversation between Sean Martin, Marco Ciappelli, and Joseph Carson provided a unique perspective on cybersecurity challenges and insights. The setting wasn’t just a backdrop—it was a canvas where shared experiences and professional journeys painted a vivid picture of evolving cyber threats and collaborative defense strategies.
The Dynamics of Engagement
The dialogue kicked off with a casual and candid exchange, where the speakers reflected on the nuances of attending conferences—long walks between sessions, weather swings, and the unexpected yet pleasant surprise of encountering familiar faces. Marco and Sean seamlessly blended humor and camaraderie into their conversation, making the technical discussion both engaging and relatable.
Insights on Ransomware Realities
Joseph Carson shared a deeply technical yet accessible walkthrough of ransomware attacks. He explained his approach to recreating real-world scenarios to educate organizations on vulnerabilities and lessons learned. He highlighted that while AI garners much attention, attackers often rely on basic techniques that remain effective. His revelation that many victims still struggle with simple misconfigurations and weak credential management served as a stark reminder of cybersecurity’s foundational importance.
The audience's reaction underscored the relevance of these insights. Many attendees, identifying parallels with their organizational experiences, approached Carson afterward to share stories or seek advice. This interactive exchange emphasized the importance of open dialogue and proactive learning in addressing cyber threats.
Ethical and Strategic Considerations in Cybersecurity
The discussion also touched on the ethical dilemmas surrounding ransomware payments. Carson recounted incidents where organizations faced the difficult decision to pay ransoms to save critical operations. His narrative of assisting a cancer research organization emphasized that these decisions are fundamentally business-driven, balancing continuity against principles.
Sean and Marco expanded on the implications of regulatory frameworks. They debated the effectiveness of Australia’s laws permitting ransomware payments under strict disclosure conditions, exploring whether such measures could foster collaboration between government agencies and the private sector or inadvertently sustain the criminals’ business model.
Global Trends and Local Challenges
The conversation delved into how sanctions and geopolitics influence cybercrime. Carson explained how ransomware operators adapt their strategies, targeting regions with fewer regulatory constraints or financial barriers. He emphasized the need for global cooperation to create a resilient cybersecurity ecosystem, advocating for shared intelligence and collaborative defense measures.
Marco’s observations on the societal aspect of cybersecurity resonated strongly. He noted that resilient countries could inadvertently shift the burden of ransomware to less developed regions, highlighting the ethical responsibility to extend cybersecurity efforts globally.
Final Thoughts: Building a Safer Digital World
The discussion wrapped up with a call for cooperation and proactive measures. Whether through fostering societal awareness or tightening organizational controls, the speakers agreed that tackling cybercrime requires a unified effort. Carson emphasized that sharing knowledge—be it through podcasts, conferences, or direct collaboration—creates a ripple effect of security.
This conversation at AISA Cyber Con wasn’t just an exchange of ideas but a demonstration of the power of collaboration in combating the ever-evolving challenges of
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Burden
The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.