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As the sun set on another day, I couldn't help but strum a few chords in remembrance of the legendary Dickie Betts, setting the stage for our latest episode that's bursting with raw emotion and hearty chuckles. We've got Nick, Dan, CJ, Sean, and Will in the studio, contributing their unique slices of life to our eclectic conversation pie. Sean peels back layers of his past to reveal the gritty road to addiction recovery, while CJ recalls a baseball game narrative that's more than just hits and runs. Prepare to ride a rollercoaster of emotions, from the absurdity of a broken pair of sunglasses to the poignant tales of personal battles and triumphs.

Our chat meanders through the dusty trails of personal anecdotes, touching on the transformative power of woodworking and the stark realities of homelessness. One minute we're laughing at the folly of a drunken misadventure, the next we're somberly reflecting on the raw strength needed to survive as a train hopper. The rich tapestry of our stories underscores the diverse paths we've walked, with each thread weaving into the next to create an honest portrayal of life's complexities. Amid the storytelling, we share some clever tool hacks and woodworking tips, adding a practical edge to our heartfelt exchanges.

Nearing the end of our journey, we lace up our cleats for a venture into the world of sports, reliving the glory days of a coworker's Division I college football career cut short by injury. The intimate moments continue as we probe the sobering aspects of addiction and recovery, discussing the difficult decisions one faces when confronting their own demons. To wrap up, we pull back the curtain on the magic of podcasting, giving you a sneak peek into the creation of our electronic-style background tracks that underscore our tales. Grab your headphones, and join us for an episode where laughter, tears, and life lessons converge into one unforgettable narrative.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All the way to Maxwell.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
While we're waiting for Dan, I'd like to throw out a
rest in peace for guitar legendDickie Betts, writer of
Ramblin' man and Blue Sky andmany other songs From the Allman

(00:23):
Brothers.
I'll miss you, bro.
She didn't play a couple times.
Oh, it happened today.
It is news Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't feel like we should really talk about
anything, because it's notrecording yet.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
He fucking said it was recording.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, it is.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
He said it was.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I can't tell because the sunlight is hitting the
buttons.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's why I wear my sunglasses.
It comes right through there.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
So I lost my sunglasses the other day.
I lost them for about 26 hoursright and my coworker found them
in the other day.
I lost them for about 26 hoursright and my co-worker found
them in the box truck.
I had them back for about twohours before I ended up
shattering the lens, oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So it was like you were supposed to lose those
glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, I was about to say would it have been better
not to have found the glasses,or to find them and then?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And then break them yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Hey guys, who do we have in studio today?
Nick, everybody sound off.
We got Dan, we got.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
CJ we don't have Sean .
Hello, there he is we got Seanin studio.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Sean, who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:41):
I'm just some white guy from Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hey, that's what I said.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
That's what CJ said.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
We got Will in studio .
What's up Will in studio?
Will is a constructionaficionado.
What are you?
An engineer?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I am just a surveyor nowadays, just.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Only just.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I have a whole floor of people doing surveys in my
building For money anyway.
You shaking the rod or are youholding the other part?

Speaker 4 (02:12):
It's all robotic now and then it's a one-man thing.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Really One man.
They still do three-man for thestate, but I think it's so.
They can just pay people.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
For some stuff, it's good.
You can stake a lot faster witha couple guys One guy running
the thing and then somebody'sworking putting the nails,
whatever Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, right on, but one man.
Yeah, I guess do they try andput you on smaller jobs or it
just takes a long time to getshit done.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Will and Sean.
Sean is.
I don't want to just give awaySean's background here, but what
is your background, sean?
What makes you very unique outof all the men that are here at
this podcast?
Not a damn thing.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
My asshole.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Come on, man, you can't be, shy.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
He has he's.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Would you call yourself a recovered addict?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'd say I'm still in recovery.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Can you hold the mic up to your mouth?
I'd say I'm still in recovery.
Can you hold the mic up to yourmouth?

Speaker 5 (03:06):
I'd say I'm still in recovery, like I don't do drugs
anymore, but like it's always abattle, always a battle, like at
the end of the day, it's alwaysgoing to be a battle.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, my dad is still fighting it.
He's fucking damn near 75 yearsold.
So yeah it's one of those dailythings, yeah, one day at a time
.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
They say I wanted CJ and Nick to ask you some
questions about what happened.
I have a couple of questionsfrom the audience that I wanted
to ask you.
I'll pull those out.
Cj, let's get into sports.
Let's get the basics.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Sports.
Okay, I thought this was a veryspecial episode.
No, it's not that special.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's not that special .
It's sports, quickly withsports.
And then we're going to get toNick's tool hack.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It is going to be real quick with sports.
I went to the game yesterday.
Amazing time, baseball,baseball.
What other game's happeningright now?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I mean it's a valid question, I think.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, I went to the baseball league orioles.
Uh, we're playing the minnesotatwins.
Some guy I forget I've actuallyforget his name.
His last name, suarez, though,started his first game in the
major league since 2017.
He's been playing over in japanaced it out for like six
innings, killed it, only let upone run uh and uh gunner had a.
A first swing of the game was ahome run, so it started off 1-0

(04:27):
.
And Cedric Mullins had thewalk-off at the end.
I saw that that's his firstever walk-off.
That surprised the hell out ofme, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Who were they playing ?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
They were playing the Minnesota Twins.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
In other news about sports.
Did you see that not only hasGus Edwards gone to the Chargers
, not only has gus edwards goneto the chargers, not only has
greg roman gone to the chargers,but jk dobbins has gone to the
chargers?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I did see that and I have to believe that uh, with
the old gus bus, is a littlepissed off about it.
Oh, I wouldn't, I would not, Imean he was like oh yeah, I want
to be the starting guy numberone.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Uh, eckerson's out, you know he's no longer there
like nope you're gonna bring theguy that's been on top of me my
entire fucking career are youkidding me, although he'll
probably get hurt and gus willbe starting again anyway, yeah I
have a co-worker who's achargers fan and um he's he's
not that happy that uh, thatthis is happening, but he was

(05:23):
like I kind of expected it sincehardball took over right, so
like it's a whole family affairthing, the slack and, like you
know, the uh, the bits andpieces.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Just like hold over pieces now roman was with jim
hardball in san francisco too,wasn't he?
I believe so.
So he's, there's playoff, uh,hockey and going on, and I don't
care.
If you guys do email me andI'll try and look into it, but
if you don't, I'm going tocontinue to not care.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Okay, so I want to introduce a new feature, cj, I
haven't I don't think I've toldyou about this yet.
I sent it to Nick.
You guys can actually click thelink that's on our podcast and
there's a link that takes youright to a record button our
podcast and there's a link thattakes you right to a record
button.
So you hit the button, youspeak and you hit send.
That's it.
You don't have to put youremail address or anything.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Where do you find this button?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's on, I will have to pull up the website itself,
but it's saying it isn't goingto help.
It's going to be in thedescription of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Of all of them.
Yeah, all of them, anybody it'scalled all of them, yeah, all
of them, yeah, and anybody cando that.
Anybody you could uh, or samfrom saskatchewan can?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
yeah, saskatoon, saskatchewan can do this okay,
just making sure so sixlisteners we have in saskatoon,
saskatchewan six.
It says six on the website notsix downloads.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Just listen to six episodes.
Might it might be six downloads, I don't know Either way, or
just you know.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
if you want to say a good joke, if you've got a great
joke, you can hit the buttonrecord a good joke and then
we'll play it on the air.
If it's good, if it'sappropriate, we'll play it on
the air.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Or you can tell me to look into the hockey playoffs.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, exactly that's where I was going with it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'll kind of do that, probably not too hard, but I'll
kind of do it.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Great, Nick.
What did you have this week fora tool hack?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I don't exactly know how to describe the video that I
saw.
So say, you have a 2x4 or aplank of wood, right?
Now for a moment in next, Iguess it has to be like a two by
you know seven or just a two byeight is what, what will?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
seven and a quarter?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
yeah, okay, seven and a half or seven and a quarter
but anyway, like you know, sayyou're trying to measure it and
it's not like an equal distance,like that you can easily break
in half.
So what you do is you kind oflike tilt the tape measure until
you get to the next closestround number that you can just
easily split in half, and thenyou just measure each side and

(07:59):
if it's, I guess I don't knowhow to.
Like I said, it's a weird wayto describe it.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Weird hack.
So you go across generally at a90 degree angle, straight
across, and you get 7 andsomething weird, right?
On an 8 or 2 by 8.
So then, in order to be able tosplit that in half, you would
tilt the.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
You would tilt the tape measure to where, like, one
side starts at 0 and then theother side of the tape measure
ends at like eight inches, andthen you just mark the fourth
inch on the tape measure, on theboard, basically.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, but you give it that sway that gives it the
additional or less than that youneed to actually have it be a
half.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
You're saying you hook the tip of the measuring
tape on the one side.
Yeah, watching a video of it isa lot easier than trying to
describe it well, it's better towatch you flounder and try to
get this going on the audio.
Yeah, um will.
Do you have any insight on that?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
um, I mean it's, it's a good trick.
The other thing that kind ofbrought to mind too is there's
whenever you have any kind offraction, if you know what it is
, if you take the same topnumber and then just double the
bottom number, that's what thathalf of those fractions will be.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
So if you're like seven-eighths, if you could hold
the microphone right to yourmouth.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
That would be.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
That will is the worst half it would be seven
sixteenths okay, I got you so ifyou could, do the microphone
like that, oh, like this oh mygod, I can hear you now, so say
what were you saying again?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
no, if the, the um, the top number of the fractions
of whatever you have, when youneed to cut that in half, you
just double the number on thebottom and that's what it will
end up being I have.
I'm lost on that.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So if you had five ace, half of that is five
sixteenths well, you could do itthat way, but we're talking
about like quickly, yeah, yeahit definitely like.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
It definitely does take away any kind of thinking
you have to do for it.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I would say you would want to start on 10, right, not
using the tip of the tapemeasurer.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, like you pull it across, you have to make sure
you're using the same face ofthe tape that is making contact
with the board.
You're using the same face ofthe tape that is making contact
with the board.
You can't pull it across andthen part of the tape will be
hanging off and it'sover-measuring the board.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I told Will earlier your tool hack.
I showed him the pencil toolhack.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's the pencil with the screw in the top To
sharpen it kind of no yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Do I have to go back into my?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
history and play it again.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was kind of like a mechanical pencil.
It was a carpenter's pencil andthen the guy had a screw in the
back of it and he twisted itand it kind of pushed the lead
out as he used it.
Yeah, that sounded pretty good.
Do you want to hear it?
But yeah, that sounded great.
That's the only way I heard it.
But yeah, that was a throwback.
That was a while ago.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
That was a while ago.
I mean, we're only on what arewe?
Podcast 14?
13.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Lost count, but I do think that was like two or three
, if I remember correctly.
So, it was pretty early on.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I can't stop coughing .
Uh-oh, nick's getting mysickness, you're getting the
COVID.
I had COVID, nobody here, wantsthat?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I don't think I'm sick it's just like I drank a
soda before coming over, so mythroat keeps getting coated and
I just sound weird.
I am currently on erythromycin.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
What the fuck is that ?
It is an antibiotic.
It's called a Z-Pak why?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
are you on that?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Well, you on that.
Well, because I had covet andyeah, you're supposed to be done
with that shit.
I know well it's not gone yet,so he's spraying covet all over
us.
No, I'm, I'm on antibiotics.
That's the best.
You would rather me be this waythan the other way that I was
doing this on the phone.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Cj used to do these on the phone.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
The first two I did on the phone, and then he's like
okay, you can come over you cancome over, yeah, um, so I, I,
let's, let's dig into sean, howdo y'all know each other?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
why don't we start there?
How do y'all meet that guy?
Um, so you do construction also, or okay?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
no, no, no, we've known each other for several
decades.
Like, yeah, I met him.
Like I was like 20 or 39, nowgotcha, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, oh, he's got whales beering up for it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Sometimes you need one to loosen up.
So y'all met just I guess itwas after school job or just
partying with party buds.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
The first time I ever met him was at the pool hall.
I was hanging out with someother friend that he was friend
of a friend.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
And yeah, so we've known each other a long time
Gotcha.
And you know Dan, yes, rightthrough work stuff, oh I met Dan
because I used to work at thecompany he works at now.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, Will worked there, and Will was always the
kind of guy that you would talkto and he would teach you things
.
So he would walk me around andbe like this is what this means,
and Will taught me a lot aboutconstruction.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
He was giving you tool hacks back before.
That was a thing.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
I've never had this many people in studio, so this
is interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Is this the limit?
Five on this board?
No, I could do eight, are yousure?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, I think this is the limit at this point, because
as long as everybody can hear,Will's.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Tool.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Hack History.
She's a great dog, just youknow cover your balls when you
met Sean Will.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Let's get some content going.
When you met Sean, what statewas sean in?
Uh, what homeless.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Cover it up, no no, when I met sean like he we're
still kids.
He was like, like, maybe 14 orsomething yeah, we're still
teenagers when I first met himokay he was living with his
grandfather and his mom okay,all right, sean, you validate
with their microphone up in yourmouth.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Nice, okay, so then.
So then, what occurred?
What?
What, uh, what got you intowhat?
What was your drug of choice?
I mean, we all partied like youknow, I think, if I think sean
our mutual friend that we metthrough like it sounds like sean
partied harder than you Ipartied harder than a lot of
people I know party animal Imean like, of course, like I

(14:21):
used to, I used to snort opiatesand stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
You know, I was wild as shit, like I've never
interveniously taken drugs.
But okay, you know I went outthere and gone crazy too okay, I
have not done that.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I did not know that.
So this is great, now get outof my house.
I'm'm just joking.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
I'm just joking.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I'm messing with you.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
So I mean, like everybody's had like their peer
pressure experiences growing up,like, oh, you know, you've
never done this.
All right, you got to try yourfirst ball yet.
So I mean that's cool andeverything, but like those never
really caused me problems perse.
It's like as I got older and Istarted not necessarily getting
high hanging out with my friends, it just became like an

(15:01):
everyday thing and like it justall went downhill from there,
honestly.
So what was?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
your first time, your first.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
My first time doing opiates or I'm not this is not
no.
I'm sorry, sir, I don't suckdick.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
No, I'm saying bring it closer to your mouth.
It was me trying to.
It's a microphone, it needs tobe spoken into.
This is why we're here.
It's good.
I'm like when was that?
When did that occur?
I'm doing the blowjob motion.
I'm saying put your microphonenear your mouth, dude.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
So the first time I was ever, I guess, exposed to
opiates was, like he said,through our mutual friend she
would you know like give uslines or whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I don't know.
You know I'm like no, Is thathow you do that you?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
snorted.
Yeah, that's how you snorted,like you know, like the
Oxycontin 80s.
Okay, do you remember those?
No, they call them I don't knowif you've ever been on like a
pain prescription before.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I have, and it was.
I took two of the blue onesinstead of I was supposed to do
two blue and one red, and I didtwo reds and one blue and I was
gone, and that was because myankle was broken and that was
from the hospital.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Right on, right on, and I did not enjoy that
experience.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I don't know why anyone would do that.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, long story short, I'm actually a heroin
baby.
Okay, yeah, no joke.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
My mom was on a lot of drugs when she had me, before
you even had a chance to start.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I didn't actually seriouslyget into drugs like that until
my mom came back into my lifewhen I was like 15 or 16.
And then I started likecatching off of her habits of
like getting high and shit.
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
So clearly.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
They took her out of my life for a reason you're up
for next question I mean I don'treally have questions because
my um, my parents were, wereboth in the same situation and
uh, I know it's it's difficult,I know it's not easy to talk
about either.
So, like, if you don't want totalk about it, we don't have to.
No, he's here to talk abouteither.
So like, if you don't want totalk about it, we don't have to.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
No, he's here to talk about it.
Relax Dan take a step back.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's not the point, though.
If he's not comfortable talkingabout it.
He's not comfortable.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
He said he was earlier.
I know, but situations change.
But like that I have a lot ofanxiety issues, so like issues,
so like just sitting here issometimes uncomfortable being in
a room I just I just want tomake sure you're in a good space
.
I'm in a cool space right now.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I like knowing the door is always open, right,
right, right but it's going toclose again.
Yeah, and then latch, and weput duct tape on it.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
So you can't get out, it's okay.
Does that help?
What were you just talkingabout?
Someone getting their bellysplit open?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
but yeah, it's, it's um, it's, it's an uphill battle
yeah, it is it's.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's a really long process and even once you get
clean from it, it's still aneveryday fight absolutely it's
like not going around peoplethat you continuously used to
habitualize with it's learningto understand yourself better
than you ever have before as aperson, because you're

(18:20):
constantly reflecting oneverything that you did while
you're high or while you weretrying to get high, and all the
terrible shit you did when youget sober.
You're faced with all of that.
You're just kind of stuck in aroom with it constantly.
So you have to face yourselfand you have to grow from that
and either become a betterperson or don't.
And by don't I mean like, uh,some people they face that and

(18:46):
they're just not ready for itand they just they dive right
back into the drug haze you'retalking about how time stops and
all of a sudden you have todeal with time.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I mean, what is it?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
I mean like all right , right, you reflect on when you
get really high, what?

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Like what I would say is like where you don't pay
attention.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
You're in a haze, you're in like a drug haze.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
You're just by the guy who, like he's got to have
his next fix, he's got like nomatter what, like exactly Like
you know how, like there arepeople just like they can't take
what they did.
They just they have to get awayfrom it.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, I thought that was initially, but then after a
few days that goes away.
Then I thought that's what he'stalking about.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
No, I mean there's like there's withdrawal, and
then there is I'm not able toface my emotional or mental
trauma.
Exactly, so I'm diving backinto this haze so I don't have
to deal with that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay, when did you start your recovery, or at least
first time?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
What triggers recovery, that's.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Actually admitting you have a problem and trying.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, I had known I had a problem the entire time so
yeah, that's I'm not one ofthose people that says, oh, I've
never been addicted, oranything like that, like I've
always been mentally and at somepoints physically addicted to
things right so like I had thesame thoughts too, like when I
was like getting out of itmyself.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Like you know, it's like like this is wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I shouldn't.
I shouldn't have been doingthis right.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's like like, where is this going to take me?
Like do I want to go thereright, like after you get
arrested so many times for likelike.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
For me, the last time I got arrested was in harford
county.
I actually had my girlfriend'sdrugs on me and I got arrested
for her drugs that's the worst,and eventually I was just like
no, I'm done with this shit.
I'm so fed up with it.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I've been arrested for both being in my fault and
somebody else's fault, and it'smuch worse when it's somebody
else's fault.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, I imagine that's gotta suck.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, it does.
Screw you Dad.
I love him, but screw you Dad.
There's the puppy.
So what was oh there, there sheis.
So what was the first time youactually tried it?
Like?
What age, I think?
Try to say that earlier 15 or16.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, 15 or 16, I would say, my first honest
time ever like snorting anopioid would have been 13 or 14.
That was when an old friendgave it to me or whatever.
Damn bro, you're talking aboutbefore like yeah, I'm talking
like before my crash, when Caseyused to get, when Casey used to
get a shit yeah, oh well, theydon't know her last name, it's

(21:31):
okay.
After, like, my mom came backinto my life and everything is.
When I seriously went down thehill because I got into a little
accident uh, I hit a firehydrant going like 60 or
something on a bmx bike, oh damn.
And I broke the whole left sideof my body, like my collarbone,
my leg everything that hit thathydrant.

(21:54):
I'm guessing yeah like Idemolished the side of my face.
I got plate in my skull, damnbro, and I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, like I demolished the side of my face.
I got a plate in my skull, damnbro, a whole bunch of fun shit
and I'm guessing there was aprescription part of that
Heavily medicated Right Becausethey had to put a bar in my leg.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I had spinal surgery.
I had my cartilage go throughthe back of my eye.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Jesus Christ, your story is very close to my
father's.
Also started around 13 14 andran a motorcycle into a
telephone pole and got a bar inhis leg.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
So crazy similarities like yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
So they loaded you up at the hospital or the doctors
gave you all sorts of oh, yeah,I think that's the main issue.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
They gave me everything under the sun they
like.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Here's a bucket with a handle of opiates.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Just have fun with them.
I was a drug addict and I wasborn opioid and I was like, okay
, this guy's going to have heavytolerance, let's load him up.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I tell the doctors I say, whatever it is, I
don't want anything with anopiate in it because I've had
the withdrawal from from getting.
They put me to sleep for fivehours and they use all sorts of
shit for that.
When they put you to sleep and,uh, five hours was the max that
they were allowed to have youput to sleep to fix my ankle and
I remember going through theshakes and that was only, you

(23:08):
know, medically prescribedrather than people.
You guys are just experimenting.
You're like, I didn't die whenI did at that time, so I'll do
it like that a little bit moreand that, right, is that how it
works well?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
you build a tolerance .

Speaker 5 (23:23):
That's a that's a different point in my life,
because, all right, so like whenI, when I had a script, I
wasn't I wasn't experimentingback then.
Back then I was just like ahippie or whatever.
I didn't really mess withopioids.
After the prescription and mymom coming back into my life,
then I started experimentingbecause then I find out you know
my little sister's on dope Ididn't even know what do you do
when you hear that she talked meinto doing it oh, just that you

(23:48):
got to try this type of thing.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, she was like this is the greatest experience
ever.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
You've got to try now was it?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
was it the greatest experience ever?
I mean I don't remember, giveme some of the positives.
I'm not trying to talk peopleinto it.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
No, no, it's not a good experience.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
So there are no positives?
No, there aren't.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
There's no reason to ever stick a needle in your arm.
It feels very good.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
It hurts and it'll destroy your life.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
It seems very intrusive.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
What is?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
You said, it seems very intrusive.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Of a question.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Act of sticking a needle in yourself.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I can't get my blood drawn, I end up passing out.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, I can't anymore .

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So I can't imagine having a needle and I'd make it
so that I can't see the needle.
I look away and I'm like, justdo it.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean it's interesting you say that too,
because Sean also is somebodywho, before he did any of this,
like he was the same way.
It's like oh needles, fuckinggross.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
I was beyond afraid of needles.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
You may think yourself like now, like, but
like if you were to like, if youwere to be snorting or whatever
, like you were on your waythere.
You may not think the same wayat that point.
You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
In the depths of addiction it took.
It took a younger family memberto pull me into a room.
That talked me into it too.
That's also like so those realweird slippery slips.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I don't know you ever seen breaking bad.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
You watch that yeah, yeah okay, yeah, but like you
know, when his girlfriend getsjesse to do the stuff, it's like
I had a hard time watching that.
Yeah, and it's weird.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
It's an uncomfortable thing to see.
You want to make it stop.
You want to stop it.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
You want to say no, you know exactly what the fuck
is happening.
It makes you shiver.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
You know, I kind of know.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
I can't even go get my blood drawn anymore because,
like when your adrenaline spikes, all your veins like constrict.
So like when I'm in theretrying to get my blood drawn, my
adrenaline's constantly spiking.
So I can't even get my blooddrawn.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
What do you think it's spiking for?
Do you think it's spiking foryour memory of?
Yeah, my brain is going likethat's a needle get it away from
me.
Okay, is it saying like, like?

Speaker 5 (26:03):
dracula sees blood, and dracula, it's not like I
want it.
It's like I want it.
The fuck away from me.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Okay, that's good I mean, that's a great, uh, a
healthy fear of, like I'mguessing.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Thankfully I've always been like a mentally
strong person when it came toaddiction, like.
For the most part I've beenable to pick up and like drop
addictions, but like dope, wasthat one well?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
it is.
That's from what I hear, andI'm hoping that on the podcast,
where we may only have 10 peoplelisten to it, but at the same
time there might be one personthat's struggling yeah, man,
what would you tell them?
What do you tell them assomebody who's just gone through
it?
How long have have you beensober for, as?

Speaker 5 (26:37):
of now I want to say about five years.
Five years is a long time.
Five, almost six years.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Congratulations, way to go.
You got my dad beat, I mean.
That's crazy to have a father?
From what?

Speaker 5 (26:48):
I've seen it's an everyday battle.
So you could go 75 years andjust be gone like that.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And it really sucks.
I don't want to go back to thatshit.
Always best not to.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's not worth it because, like it destroys you as
a person like it makes you dothings that you wouldn't do, you
know, to just to get a fix,kind of thing.
No, no, it's like it changesyou, it's not you anymore, it's
just, it's always the drive toget the drug it changes your
base values, all thatmatters it changes your base
values as an individual where,like, if you like, after you get
sober later on in life, if youwere to sit down and reflect on

(27:27):
you at back then and, like,write down your values now as
you're sober, you can, you canliterally see the
differentiation between backthen and now and how different
you were.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I know a lot.
I'm not saying what you've done, but a lot of people lose their
morals like they would never.
They would never rob someone,but I would if I need to get or
the drug, would you know, right?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
so that's what I wanted to get into.
What are the worst thingsyou've done without
incriminating yourself to thefact that the cops are going to
show up?
This is this is forentertainment purposes only
statutes of limitations.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
This is for entertainment purposes only uh
Statutes of limitations.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
This is for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
When I was getting high I was mostly homeless, so
like I was really big into likethe shoplifting shit.
Okay so like I would go and Iwould get like packs of socks
and I would go downtown and Iwould sell those.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Packs of socks go for what?
$4 at the black market.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Like $20 if they're nikes nice.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, get the good one.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
If you're good at shoplift, you might as well get
the good ones, yeah I just getlike a six pack of nike socks,
the ones that go like all theway up the lake.
You just take them downtown.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So you're the guy, you're one of the guys that
makes me have to go and getsomeone with a key to get my
socks now and they lock them upnow and tied, do they really
yeah?
Yeah, they lock up their socksa lot of times, depending on,
depending on where you go.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, it just depends on the location you can't say
that for the.
I can't blame you for all thebroad variety of like other
walmarts, like I feel like thewalmart down the road doesn't
lock up socks walmart down theroad is closed.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, they shut it down and say it's gone.
How long ago, about two weeksit finally closed.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I think the two level walmart, I did not know that.
Yeah, well, you would have goneover there, like the other day.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Like you know, I hated it too, but I still went
there for shit.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
They had a 75 off sale like the last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
That fucking blows oh yeah, me fucking too you hit
him with the uh, the papa's uhnews nick oh, no, oh, I've heard
of papa's carryouts closingdown right.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
The, the taylor, the, the restaurant put out
something like two days ago.
They said we're not closing thethe carryouts closing.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Oh, across the street , yeah, across the street I just
wanted to clarify everythingwhere you can go where you go to
get like your, your, your, rawfish, crab cakes, stuff like
that.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
But the restaurant is staying open, okay I I read
something that said that, likethe building was you know too
old, uh, and to disrepair forthem to continue pouring money
into it.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think that's the carryout.
Still, the, the, uh, the.
The pappas themselves put out atweet, an x, whatever, uh,
within the past couple days, Ithink.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
You said the building is getting in disrepair, or
what was the reason?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, all they said is the carryout's closing, not
the restaurant.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Okay, so no other details.
Yeah, I was more interested,less into the drug talk but more
into the homeless talk.
How did you live as a homelessperson?
What is that like?
I mean where?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
were you?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
yeah, the location area uh, how do you eat?
Uh, I understand how you eatwith your mouth, but like what
is?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
he knew what I was gonna say yeah, thank you trying
to stop all the stupid thingscoming back.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Um, but like, what is every you're talking every
minute of every hour?
You don't have a place that youcan leave something, so yeah,
it's not fun you gotta travellight, right?

Speaker 5 (30:45):
yeah, I mean like uh, have you ever seen train kids?
No you've never seen a trainkid in your life, I mean I don't
.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
If you're talking about water key like a, like a
backpacker, I mean a person witha stick and a hobo, a hobo,
yeah, hobo, yeah.
I've seen them.
What's the hobo life Train,hopper life.
Did you have a shopping cart?
No, okay, I hopped trains,hopped trains.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Did you ever have a water key?
Water key no.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Okay, I've heard that was didn't do that, I was.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You got to turn the water on.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Mostly just here in Maryland.
Okay, I didn't really go toomuch out of state.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I've heard that all the JB Hunt shipping containers
go to Chicago.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Do they.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's what I've heard.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Well, now we know.
I've also heard that there's a.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Tropicana line that goes from maryland to florida I
believe that, yeah, yeah there'salso there is one of those,
yeah but I don't know where it'sat, though, did you ever?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
get caught by train security.
I heard they can be hard assesyeah yeah, did they fuck you up?
Because I'm like I've heardlike wrench stories about
wrenches and shit.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
What are they gonna do?
Give?

Speaker 5 (31:57):
you three hots and a cot like I wasn't like a
destructive train kid I wasn't.
Like they never caught megraffitiing they never caught.
Like I was never destroyingtheir shit they never caught you
graffitiing but you were, Imean he doesn't have to admit
yes but so what was it like onthe train?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I've heard that others there's dangerous people
on the train there can be Likeyou go on the train and they're
like this is mine and they pushyou right back off.
You've got to learn how toavoid those.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, so there are people like that.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Yeah, there are some very horrible people out there.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
But not everybody's like that.
There are also a lot ofPercentage of Like 96% good
people.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
So like say you encounter a person that is in
that 4% range, right, are younot allowed on, said like the
whole train or just thatparticular car?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Well, I don't know what they think they're allowing
me to do, but Not that they'reallowing you to do anything, but
like.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know what I mean, but like yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
You could try to just like stay at this, distance
yourself from them, you know, goone cart down, or Okay, you're
not going multiple cars down,you're just going one or two.
Yeah, just one or two cartsdown or whatever.
Okay, just distance yourselffrom them.
Try to down or whatever, okayjust distance yourself from try
to, you know.
Keep some space, keep an eyebetween you and your party and
everyone else.
Okay, so you're doing this in aparty, not not like I mean yeah,

(33:23):
I mean you can do it withpeople, okay, they're like you
would travel alone or withpeople.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Is that what you're saying both?

Speaker 5 (33:29):
both, okay travel either alone or with people
depends on the day.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, really, it depends on who you're running to
what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
What movie best describes your previous life as
that?

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Train Spotters.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Okay, I have to re-watch it, I guess.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's a good flick, but it freaked me out when I
first watched it.
I'm not going to deny that.
I guess I will be viewing it.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'll have to look this up real quick.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Train Spotting Ewan McGregor's in it, I believe.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
They have a Jedi, it's an EU depiction of the
homeless kid life, the trainhopper life, but also being on
dope at home between yourparents and sort of like the
punk rock lifestyle.
Okay, it's a really good movie.
This guy moves around a lot,there are a lot of Sean's moving

(34:20):
around, if you hear all thenoises.
Yeah, there are a lot of hardrealizations in that movie, Like
when you've done enough jokesin your life.
You look at those and you go,wow, I'm glad I didn't go
through that.
Like the baby on the ceiling andshit that shit freaked me out
so bad I the movie off.
I was probably.
I was probably 15 and itfreaked me the fuck out

(34:42):
basically in the movie, um, thekid is on his bed.
He's he's like tied down orwhatever.
He's going through withdrawalsand going through withdrawal
he's having like visualizationsof, uh, um, his like dead infant
.
Who, who, like his girlfriend,miscarried his infant or
whatever.
So he's having likevisualizations of, uh, um, his
like dead infant who met who,like his girlfriend, miscarried
his infant or whatever.
So he's having likevisualizations of that infant,
like crawling up the ceiling andthat's what?

(35:06):
yeah, that you're saying thatthat people with withdrawal
actually that's true, likewithdrawal can be a very deadly
thing, like I've seen a jokeI've seen what was it uh the one
with uh the girl from.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
she was originally on ET as a child but, like Drew
Barrymore yeah.
Drew Barrymore.
She was in a movie Riding inCars with Boys.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I remember the name of that one.
I didn't watch it though.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
There was somebody in that movie that went through
withdrawal, that I remember, andit was at least depicted
horrifying, I mean screaming forthree days in a room.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I've heard cold showers help.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
It depends on if you're going through hot flashes
or cold flashes.
It's like a very quick phase.
It's like, basically,withdrawals are hot flashes,
cold flashes, a lot of body pain.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, throwing up.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Sort of, yeah, vomiting, your abdomen tenses up
.
Actually, what makes you throwup is like your, your muscles
all contract, all at the sametime yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
So you're not throwing up to try to eject
something.
You're throwing up because allyour muscles are doing it,
because your body's throwing up,because your body is telling
you that you're poisoned andthat you need to, whatever you
need to purge it.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
You need to purge it.
That's why you're throwing up.
But um, yeah, it's a whole hellin itself.
But once you get through thatthree-door door, you're you're
depending on how long youraddiction, your addiction was.
It can be anywhere from likethree days to two weeks sounds
fun so it's not.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
The best thing would be to not start.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yeah, don't start, but if you have, then Stop ASAP.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Not necessarily that Does it get better.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Does your life get better?
I mean, my life kind ofsometimes sucks all the time.
Well, yeah, and I'm not dealingwith all that shit.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Sometimes life just sucks, Sometimes it doesn't.
But I mean, it's not going tomagically just make your whole
life better.
You know, life is still goingto suck a little bit, but every
day it gets better and betterand better.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I'm going to try to say something that will
hopefully help somebody.
If you have eight dogs, well,there's eight dogs and then all
of a sudden, one of the dogsdies and you go oh my God, we
lost a dog.
But you know, is that bad or isthat good?
It's well.
Well, maybe it's good.
Well, what happens is they endup?
Well, maybe because somethingelse happened, because that dog

(37:26):
died.
You got to meet somebody at theclinic that you took the dog to
get looked at, and then at thattime you met someone, and then
something else positive happened.
So was that a bad thing?
Maybe Was it great you metsomeone and then something else
positive happened.
So was that a bad thing?
Maybe Was it great that you metthat person?
Maybe it could have been goodthat you met that person.
Sometimes good things happen,because bad things happen, yeah,
so sometimes exactly the wholelike well, maybe, well, maybe,

(37:48):
if you just keep looking at life, well, if I stopped doing what
I'm supposed to not be doing, itmight be good, it could be bad,
it could you know, but eitherway, you won't know until you
try to improve the way that Ilook at it is that's you're
absolutely right about that Liketurning every negative
experience you have.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
finding some way to turn it into a positive is
actually a very good copingmechanism.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Well, like that's mainly the main thing that's
helped me through Stanks Overwas just that.
That's my main coping mechanismis finding ways to laugh at
life.
Because the second that you getsad and depressed.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Me and Will laugh at life on the phone all the time.
We'll call each other and belike you won't fucking believe.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
And like a lot of the stuff too, after like a lot of
time passes like there's a lotof things.
Everybody like looks back andis like man, that really fucking
sucked then.
But it's so goddamn funny now.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, I wouldn't have that story, will?
I would love for you to be ableto tell your story of the tree.
I can delete this if you like,but you got hammered and you
were up in a tree, in a tree.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
No, you're talking about when I got locked up.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
No, I're talking about what I got locked up.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, no, I didn't climb that tree.
No, I was all drunk.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I was threatening to pour gasoline on myself and
light myself up.
Yeah, and you don't rememberany of it.
I had a box of tools and I wasgoing to throw it and the cop
told me put it down, don't do it.
It's like no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, because at the timeI was still living in my camper

(39:34):
and like at the station.
you know I'm talking to the copswhile I'm all fucking drunk.
The funny thing is it's likeonce I got to the station I
completely forgot everything badthat happened and at that point
I'm the fucking fun drunk guyat the fucking police station
having a good time with all thecops.

(39:55):
You know it's funny stationhaving a good ass time with all
the cops.
You know it's funny like thewhoever was the actual arresting
officer.
She walked past me and I didn'tknow who she was at this point.
She just had some stink facegoing.
I was like man what the fuck isher problem to all our other.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
She's over here like you're my problem, yeah, and
then like, like, later on Iactually read the paper like oh
shit, that was that bitch.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
You didn't remember peeing on her.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, like she and like two, three other fucking
guys have to fucking wrestle meto the ground like damn why you
got a fucking problem, bitch ohmy god, that's great how you
forget stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Apple nick, you have a story about when you got
locked up, right.
I'm just joking.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I've never had the pleasure, once again CJ he's
still very young by the time Iwas his age, I think I'd been
locked up twice.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Nick's led a good life.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I don't drink, I don't do much.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
That makes two of us he takes care of his family.
That's what you're supposed todo.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's better to not get locked up.
So you're doing good?
Oh no, I'm seeing firsthand.
Well.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I've seen firsthand.
It's a lot cheaper.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I'm currently seeing firsthand, so not fun.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
No, no, it sucks, very expensive yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Well, very expensive.
Well, I am the designateddriver tonight.
I picked up Will and his buddySean.
How many beers did we buy?
Twelve there better be likeeight left.
He's on his third.
I just don't want you to haveto ride on the hood because you
forced me to make you ride onthe hood.
You have a truck, there's a bedyeah.

(41:37):
Nice and comfy.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Just lay down, so the cops don't see it.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Don't get caught.
This is I've been tasked with.
I have over here about how manySean pieces do you think there
are there?
Sean's going to count them up.
They are slivers of wood.
They are about an inch and ahalf to two inches wide, and I
would to two inches wide and Iwould say 18 inches long and
what we're talking about, soWill has a laser engraver and

(42:05):
we're going to be engravingthings into this wood and I'm
going to do some epoxy laying,embedding we call it and then
selling these online, right Will.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Oh yeah.
That's what we've spoken of inthe past, and these are we can
actually do it now because Iactually have a computer that's
running.
That's part of the problem.
Yeah, you've got to haveeverything already.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
I have a computer, but and it burns into the wood
whatever you want in whateveryou tell the computer to do.
It's really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
You just draw something up in Photoshop and
then burn that, or somethingalong those lines.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, you can do pictures and stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
I just show up and say I want this here, and he
goes okay.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
You can do an Orioles logo, as long as you have the
programming and everything forit, yeah, and don't get caught
selling them.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Exactly, and you have to bribe him with something you
have to give him a table saw.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Oh shit, I have the Grateful Dead in the back of my
phone.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
So are you giving my donations to Will, as you're
tasked with I?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
already gave Will a very nice table saw.
I think that I do a fewengravers for that.
Have you been using the tablesaw Will?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I use it for one small project, but yes, I have
used it.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
That's kind of how a table saw goes.
You use it when you need to.
It's a long-term project.
Anyway, that's the task I'll begiving Will.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Dan, do you have plans on what is going to be
engraved on those pieces of wood?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm going to go with a welcome home or welcome to my
home type stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Home is where the heart is, which is You're going
to do some live laugh.
Love, yeah, some live laughlove that kind of horse shit
Love laugh live.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
You've got to keep in mind.
We've got whatever 30-somethingpieces to play with, and then
I'll take them and run themthrough my wood thickness planer
after I do the epoxy inlay, andthen I'll stain them.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Shouldn't you plane them before you do the epoxy?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
No, because when he goes to burn them it's going to
damage the very outer shell ofthe wood it burns.
It's freaking sssssss.
Yeah, it'll actually cut acrevice, yeah it cuts a crevice
and it blackens the outer shell,so I want to leave as much,
almost like wood burning.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
It's a literal laser.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Hell, yeah, yeah, so it's, and I'll you know we're
going to start small with thesepieces, put your finger under
there.
You could do anything you want.
As far as the podcast goes, Iwanted Sean, do you have
anything to say to any addicts?
Don't do drugs, don't do drugs,don't do it.
That was basically what Iwanted to put across.
I've done some charity eventswhere I'm the emcee for opioid

(44:41):
awareness events and things likethat, and it's sad to see the
families that are affected.
How has your family beenaffected?
I know we talked about yourlittle sister was before you and
is she still around?

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah.
One of them is uh, so majoritylike my family, all did drugs
before I did.
I was the last person in myfamily lucky man yeah,
thankfully I mean it's eitherthat or because he's the oldest
of all of his siblings okay,which is which is pretty weird
that all like all my youngersiblings are all doing drugs
before I was.
Well, not all of them.

(45:15):
Plenty of my.
I'm the oldest of nine.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Wow, that's a lot That'll make you want to do
drugs right there you couldfield a baseball team.
My dad wanted to have nine kids.
My mom was like fuck that.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's a lot of work, cj, do you have any questions
for sean of how you could helpyour father or?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
oh, my dad's a lost cause.
I love the man, but he's 70years old.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
He ain't changing why change it all?

Speaker 5 (45:47):
comes down to.
Is it your choice or not?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
it has like like someone else can stop you from
doing drugs you can help notgonna matter if it's not your
choice yeah, you can helpsomebody as much as you want,
but they're not gonna changeunless they want to change yeah,
incredible my dad's gonethrough the recovery at least
four or five times.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
He always comes back yeah, I'm not gonna lie.
It took me like like seven oreight different recoveries,
right I?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
just, I don't think he started nearly as early as
you I think his first try at itwas somewhere around 50.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Good man Sticking with the party.
I respect it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I'm learning stuff.
I just figured everyone did itwhen they were 20, 22, and
whatever, or like 18.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
No, he did it from 14 to 50.
Okay, and a lot of alcohol andCoke and everything else you
could stick in your body.
The dude loved getting high.
Still does.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
I love smoking weed these days, thankfully Well
that's legal yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
That and drinking are about the only things I do on a
regular basis.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah, I had to get away from alcohol because I'm a
real asshole drunk.
It took a while for me to learn.
Well, once I learned, I'd stayaway from alcohol now Total.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Or is it like liquor?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
is bad.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
He gave us the X.
He quit drinking long before heeven gave up.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
He held his hands up like an X as we were carrying
the beer past him.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
That's where we go.
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, he gave us the X.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Are you still listening to the Grateful Dead?
Yes, okay, you get the.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
X, are you still listening?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
to the Grateful Dead yes, okay, I wasn't sure if they
bring up bad memories orsomething like that, but I love
the dead, yeah yeah, yeah, ofcourse, I always love them.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
What's the song?
High on cocaine.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
That's about riding a train.
Just come my way.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Actually funny enough , just so you guys know.
Casey Jones, in fact, was nothigh on cocaine the day he
crashed that train.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I believe it was alcohol.
It was it was.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
He was drunk I mean, I wouldn't imagine cocaine
making you crash a train,alcohol totally, I could see
that.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Well, you crank up that speed, you'd be surprised.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
I've done some stupid shit on drugs.
Yeah well, give us one morestory Of the stupid shit you've
done on drugs.
We're getting ready to.
We're going to do a shout outto Advanced Auto Parts.
Their names are no.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I keep telling them he needs to get sponsored.
I'm getting discounts.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm getting discounts .

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Everybody needs a sponsor these days.
It was not Jack and Diane.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Jack and Diane was the song.
I'm getting discounts at places.
Everybody needs a sponsor thesedays.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
It was not Jack and Diane.
Jack and Diane was the song.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, I was going to do a thing where CJ would come
in.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Maybe sucking on chili dogs, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
It was man.
I wrote.
I set an alarm for me to dothis thing.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Wait, Diane and Chad.
Right, Was it Chad it?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
was Chad, bro.
I love willow memory chad anddiet yep verified at advanced
auto parts.
The chad is chad.
Of all the chats.
What is that bar behind homedepot?
The valley in, valley view in,valley view in?
Yeah, I put a little uh boardthat says I've been tasked with
podcast.
Nice, they haven't taken it outyet, has not?
And uh, the guys at advancedauto
parts, even the guys that werethere today because I've been
tasked with podcasts Nice, andthey haven't taken it out yet,

(48:57):
have not?
And the guys at Advanced AutoParts, even the guys that were
there today because I've beenfrequently I've been getting
things that I need for the boatand wave runners and stuff and
fuel filters and whatnot yeah,they said they were like I said
something about a podcast.
They were like is that yourpodcast thing down the street.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And I, like you saw it and I actually got.
He was like yeah, yeah, I've,I've started listening.
It's really good.
All right, yes, that's nice.
So that I forgot his name, butthat wasn't chad and diane, but
that was one of the guys thatadvanced.
You got to go out to paringparkway and stick it in the
median, yeah I just this I'mgoing for less invasive.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I kind of want you know what I want.
I want listeners that are theguys that are coming out of the
back of home depot.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I don't want the guys that are coming out of the back
of Home Depot.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I don't want the guys that are Coming out the front
of Home Depot, I just I want theguys that are like Will and CJ
and Nick, the guys that know theback roads because they're
local, you know at least.
Okay, that makes more sense nowyeah.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Back to sports news.
I found out somethinginteresting today.
I'll take it what's up, so mycoworker actually used to play
Division I college football.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, he was signed to Ohio.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
The Ohio State University Not the Ohio, just
Ohio.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I don't know what they Bobcats, I believe
Something like that.
But um, he was a defensive backfor I want to say, freshman,
junior and sophomore, and thenhe was a safety for senior I
guess he's a skinny tall person,a skinny six six one, okay, yep

(50:35):
.
And the reason he didn'tcontinue with his professional
life was he tore his rotatorcuff in his right shoulder two
seasons in a row.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Oh fuck.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Stefan and Trayvon.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Diggs, diggs.
I got it.
I knew what they were talkingabout, because I heard them say
Stefan Diggs before.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, I'm putting it all together.
He's only one of the mostpopular players in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah and they have an older brother, I think, named
Aaron, but they don't sharetheir last name.
It's a different last name.
Oh, okay, I was talking to himabout it today because he showed
me a clip of him interceptingthe ball.
I think it was like a game inan ending interception of I
don't remember what game it wason youtube.
I'll have to you know have himpull it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Is he around your age or he's around 30 something, so
he's more stefan's age.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
He grew up with him, gotcha they actually played on
the same uh, like peewee league,like they all grew up together
oh shit, that's pretty wild manyeah so like because he's from
germantown and I know I thinkthe digs brothers are from like
gaithersburg area yep.
So, uh, I just you know that'scrazy to think about.
And uh, he was like, yeah,that's you know, because I

(51:46):
mentioned the digs brothers tohim and he's like you know what?
His older brother literallytagged me in something yesterday
and he pulled it up and showedme like I can prove it yeah and
he did, he pulled, he was like Igot fucking receipts.
Dog, you can't just say thatyeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
So are you guys done with the sports?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
yeah, all right, so I love you dad I'm just trying,
I'm just trying.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Uh, I have one question from lauren are you
done with the question fromlauren?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
no, not yet okay.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Thank you for asking, uh they're doing the jerk off
motion.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I love it.
This is the best.
This is a question.
It's the actual question.
Uh, I guess the most basicquestion was uh, what was his
rock bottom?
What made him get clean?
I think we tried to ask thatearlier my rock bottom.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
What made me get clean?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
what?
What was?
Did you go to jail for likefour years and then have to?

Speaker 5 (52:35):
thankfully, I, did not go to jail for like four
years and then have to no, no,thankfully I did not go to jail
for anything like that.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Okay, Something had to make you just switch that
switch.
I mean, were you just sick ofit?
I mean I'm not trying to feedyou things?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
What were you doing when you got in the program?

Speaker 5 (52:50):
When I got on that he's talking about, on the
methadone program because I amon the methadone program right
now.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I Well he's talking about on the methadone program,
because I am on the methadoneprogram right now.
I mean, yeah, you can talkabout as much of that as you
want.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
When I originally got onto that, I was really tired
of not being allowed to see mydaughter.
I was really tired ofconstantly going downtown to buy
something that I don't knowwhat the fuck it is.
I don't know what's in it andit could potentially and has
many times killed me.
I don't know what's in it andit could potentially and has
many times killed me, like Ijust got tired of all this shit.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Did you die, did you?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
clinically die.
I've died multiple times.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Okay, Like.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
I can count.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I can't count on my fingers and toes how many times
I've died.
What do you call that?
When your heart stops right,what do you call death?

Speaker 5 (53:38):
I consider what do you call death?
I consider death when, when,basically your heart stops when
you stop breathing, wheneverything in your body shuts
down, okay, like when there's nopulse, nothing like.
Uh, I've been clinically deadat least five times.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
That's kind of wild shit, uh, so fentanyl gotcha,
yeah um so did you see anythingin the afterlife?
What was the dark void look?
Did you see the light?
Did you hear anything?
It's not your time, anythinglike that, or was it just kind
of a darkness?

Speaker 5 (54:06):
To be honest, I saw more when I hit the fire hydrant
than I have any time.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I've ever OD'd.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
When I've OD'd, it's just black nothingness.
You can hear things going onaround you.
You kind of like you're in thisuh, in this uh in like kind of
like a void space in your mindwhere you're aware, but you're,
you're not awake so, like you'reaware of everything that's
going on around you, but likeyou're not actually there,
that's how I felt when I had myseizure like they.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
They portray it in the video like it's got that
ringing sound in your ear, butyou still see everything
happening in the picture.
But they make that ringing inyour ears, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Yeah, that ring is a real thing.
That high-pitched ring in theback of your head, that's a real
thing.
When you're about to go out,you'll hear that ringing in your
ears.
That's how you know you'reabout to go head over heels.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Same thing know you're about to right, or, yeah,
same thing like whenever,whenever you like you, you're
working out in the field andlike you get hit really hard,
you don't have it.
No, no, you don't have likeenough like water in your body
and you, you, you go to dosomething, you get stars in your
eyes and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
You're right, that's well, that's a nick's experience
.
He was talking about how, whenhe passed out, nick had two
experiences he passed out andthen had like convulsions like
yeah, a seizure is almost it wasalmost like my eyes were just
closed.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
um, I couldn't look around, I couldn't do anything,
but it's like somebody likegrabbed my head and started
shaking it and it was weird.
I couldn't hear anything, but Iwas conscious, in the sense of
I could feel my body shaking.
I couldn't tell what was goingon.
It felt like I was on a rollercoaster that I wanted to get off

(55:51):
, that I couldn't.
It was just a weird feeling.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Definitely sounds shitty.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Definitely sounds scary.
We got some stuff out of theseguys.
Yeah, man, I'm always willingto come back.
Thanks a lot for coming Are yousticking around, cj, I will
throw in the ending.
Thank you to Sean.
Thank you for Nick.
Thank you, Nick's trying to runout like it's a.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Hey, he told you Like a bat out of hell.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Bye, nick, uh will thank you.
I would love to have will comein and speak more tool talk.
Uh will's got a lot of stufftool tool time this was a taylor
over here this whole time thiswhole podcast was.
It was a lot harder becausethis is our first five person
and probably the I wouldn't saylast, but like first for a long
time.
It's not going to be fivepeople.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Um, we generally only have one guest at a time yeah,
we usually when we've had fivepeople before but still only
three mics hooked up yeah, andthis is the first time.
Five was that when we had thatbig connor on and you called
joanna from montana, so therewere five people yeah, there
were five people at one time butonly three mics were on talking
to the You're talking aboutfavorite times of being high.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Why don't?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
you, there we go.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
My favorite time being high.
I was down on Green Mountain at33rd Street.
I was all fucking high.
I wanted some fucking paintbills and whatnot.
I was walking around on drywallstilts.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Where did you get drywall stilts I?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
don't know yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
But anyway, you were in the truck.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Yeah, I was just walking around on drywall stilts
.
I pulled them out of my backpocket, I walk up to a cop.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
I'm like I'm so high.
The cop just fucking laughsabout it.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, you are pretty up there, man, you're up there,
you're like a good two or threefoot.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
right, you're like two or three foot up there,
you're pretty high, yeah, yeah,yeah, his stilts were like this
tall.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, did the cops used to fuck with you, sean?

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Not really, I mean, I've always been pretty chill.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Like even with police and stuff.
That doesn't mean that youcould be chill as you want, but
sometimes the cops are just no,I mean dude cops, don't fuck
with me, I just have that vibecops in the city have better
shit to deal with, right?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
yeah, they don't give a shit if you don't have a gun,
they don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Yeah, if you're not actively shooting at them, they
don't give a fuck.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Exactly that's how the city police are.
You're not actively trying tokill them, they're not.
They don't give a shit, makessense, but like county cops a
little different harvard countyis the worst.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Like I've been pulled over because I looked at a cop
before, yeah, harvard I didn'tknow I wasn't allowed to look at
you.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
I'm sorry harvard county is the only place that
I've actually been arrested andfaced jail time for for drugs
that weren't mine, like theywere my girlfriend's drugs they
were in her car Frame and Mame.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
The sheriff's office.
I love your guys' insights.
I'm surprised I was able to getWill and Sean to come in here.
I've been asking Will for abouta couple months.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Was Will the guy you were trying to call in a couple
times.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
No, that's different.
That's Terry.
Will does know Terry andwouldn't.
Wouldn't terry be a good?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
yeah, you want to call him in terry would probably
have some good stories you wantto call you.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
You have about 10 minutes.
I'll make a phone call.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
We can get terry no, I don't have time to get into
another interview.
You know it's gonna be longerthan 10 minutes.
Yeah, you know what I?

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I I interviewed cj.
Was it you I?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
said it was the first one, it was six minutes.
I was going 45 minutes, it wasa 45 minutes.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Call up the uh, the end of the podcast.
I don't have any buttonsbecause I have every channel
used.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
All right, guys you're gonna put the cry baby
while on I, uh, I will be doing.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
You'll hear.
Did you hear it on the lastepisode?
I did was there was some goodsounding stuff in there yeah
thank you I kept it real.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
What music were you playing behind me asking his
questions?
When I was asking Nickquestions, you had some cool
sounding music out behind that,but it wasn't just bass.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
We will re-listen to it and I'll have to You'll have
to let me know.
It was probably me playing the.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
It sounded like an electronic-y type music.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Oh okay, I do have some samples that I've, so I'll
take.
It's called a song kit and I'llpull one sample in and I'll
pull another sample in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Okay, I think you were showing me that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah, and you can create a song based off of what
you have and it's nice.
It's just filler, it's likesomething to play in the
background and you don't have tosit there and edit and you
don't have to sit there and edit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
It sounded cool in the background.
Thank you, I'll give you thatThank you All right guys, Good
podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
See you later.
See you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yeah, man.