January 22, 2025 • 44 mins
Snowstorms, HR realities, and the intersection of personal anecdotes become the heart of our latest discussion. We navigate everything from ineffective keynote speakers and self-published works to the nuances of social media behavior and the related impacts on professional identities, highlighting the balance of humor and seriousness in the HR world.
• Exploring nostalgic snow memories and their relevance to work-life balance
• Analyzing the effectiveness of keynote presentations in HR conferences
• Discussing the challenges posed by self-publishing within the HR literature
• Evaluating common themes in HR trends for 2025 and repeating patterns in articles
• Examining the relationship between social media personas and professional accountability
• Highlighting humorous yet serious real-world HR impacts from public behavior
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Andrew Quilpa (00:02):
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Cee Cee (00:54):
I'm Cece All right back again.
Warren (00:58):
Yeah, so we were talking about your Snowmageddon and my
lack of it last episode.
Now my area is actually gettingit.
I was telling you before westarted.
You know it's actually snowinghere in the coast of North
Carolina because you've got thewarm water of the Atlantic Ocean
and where I live, the sound theCurry Tuck sound is like 200
(01:19):
yards.
That way it's warm water so itlike shields us from snow most
of the time, but it's like I'mlooking out the window right now
I can see it in the light.
It's really coming down.
We're depending on which appyou use or weather station you
look at, you know it's somewherebetween six and nine inches
we're supposed to get.
It was just like mind-blowingbecause we go years without
(01:43):
anything and now we're actuallygonna get some.
Cee Cee (01:46):
My brother-in-law in norlean sent me a picture his
son in the front yard and itlooks like it's probably six
inches there and oh my gosh,yeah, this, the snowstorm is
crazy he was trying to contactone of our vendors today, just
to connect with them, and I gotan automatic reply back and he
said, or it said, somethingalong the lines of I'm not in
(02:07):
the office today, I'm enjoyingour first snow in New Orleans
for like since for 17 years orsomething and I was like, good
for you, enjoy exactly.
Warren (02:17):
yeah, I don't think my nephew down there has ever seen
snow.
This might be his first timeever seeing snow, at least down
there.
Maybe he's traveled somewhere,but but I was telling you this
is the snow I personally like,because most of the time in the
south the snow we get is thatwet, mushy, slushy stuff.
Yeah, I can tell you when itwould snow when my was little,
(02:40):
my brother we'd come, we'd havea snowball fight and we'd be
coming home all bloody as youpack a snowball and you're just
throwing a chunk of ice at eachother by the time you do that
and yeah, there were some—welooked like we'd been through a
real war after a couple ofrounds of snowball fights out
there.
But yeah, but this is the lightpowdery stuff.
You know my grandmother who, bythe way, on last Wednesday, the
(03:02):
15th she turned 106 years old.
She's doing okay, especiallyfor being 106.
Yeah, I called her.
She didn't have a clue who Iwas, I don't think, but she was
very sweet and very polite and Ithink she liked the attention
of getting a phone call andthings like that.
(03:22):
But I'm named for her husband,my grandfather, and I am always
worried that.
You know my grandfather's beendead for quite a while and will
she think I'm him?
I just don't want.
Oh, it's Warren.
No, not that Warren.
I'm always worried, since she'sbeen sort of declining.
(03:44):
But she was very happy, verypolite.
She didn't have a.
Oh, I was worried, since she'sbeen sort of declining.
Andrew Quilpa (03:49):
But she was very happy, very polite.
She didn't have a clue who Iwas.
Warren (03:51):
Aw, yeah, yeah, but anyways, she lived in Montana up
until very recently and thislight powdery snow that sort of
it's dry and powdery thatreminds me of Montana snow and
not, you know, north Carolinasnow.
So, anyways, having a lot offun with that.
So, yeah, we're snowmageddon,round two down here.
We'll see, actually, as I'mspeaking, how you get that
(04:13):
little Microsoft alert in thecorner four inches of snow
expected in the next four hours,six inches of snow tonight, and
it's two additional inches ofsnow before whatever.
So, anyways, it popped off tooquick before I could read it.
But yeah, we're gonna.
It's gonna be interesting.
We'll see what.
Cee Cee (04:30):
What we have here our snow is still on the ground,
like it hasn't gotten abovefreezing, which is very not
normal for us.
So, like it's it's been, I feellike I live in South Park, the
snow is just still there.
Always there, always there.
But we're going to go down tonegative three tonight, so heat
(04:51):
is on.
I am bundled in an oversizedhoodie.
I'm like this is my vibe, justyeah.
Warren (05:00):
Ready for it.
So I'm now only coming intothis room over at the garage to
record.
Now I'm doing everything else.
I take my laptop downstairs.
I even got a little lap deskthing, which is actually quite
awesome, and I have a portablesecond screen monitor that, if I
wanted to put on there, I couldput on so I could do things
(05:21):
from my desk.
Oh yeah, so I'm only coming uphere to record, where I can be
in peace and quiet and thingslike that.
So yeah, but I didn't have theheat on and so it's still
working.
I'm getting up here, so it'llkick in at some point, but,
unlike previous recent episodes,I actually did homework.
(05:43):
Yay, I typed up notes and I amprepared for podcasting today.
So let's see if that makes anydifference at all or not.
So anyway.
So I did a webinar this weekand my wife actually did the
(06:06):
same webinar.
It was from a company that'sknown for their HRS and payroll
systems.
They have a three letter name,but I won't mention who they are
.
Anyways, I was doing thewebinar and the opening keynote
speaker.
The opening keynote speaker wasI've said it a number of times
before before I have a disdainfor keynotes.
(06:29):
I I see many of them.
And this one was the same asit's.
It's your stereotypicalhallmark or lifetime movie.
You, you, you take a tragedy,you put a setting in whatever
setting it's in, and then whatthey did to overcome it,
including writing a book don'tforget writing the book.
And then how they, how theyovercame that, that problem.
(06:50):
And this person, she had ahorrible tragedy go on in her
life, but it was, it wasformulaic, keynote speaker and
after like 15 minutes, and inthat 15 minutes, 10 mentions of
her book, I muted it.
I was like done, I'll just muteit, I'll work on the side.
(07:10):
My wife, my wife listened to itand you know we compared notes
afterwards and she really likedit.
And she liked the lady's storyand it really related.
Well, she liked the story.
It was a sad, tragic story andthings.
But I said, well, you liked thestory, but what did you get out
of it?
Was there substance, any levelof substance that you're going
(07:32):
to get out and say you know thatyou're better for and you know
we're listening to that for anhour?
And she said, well, no, but itwas a really nice, compelling
story.
I'm like, yeah, but I don't.
You know, I can watch TV.
If I want a nice story, I don'twanna be in a seminar to hear
that same story.
And you know, okay, here'sanother thing going off my notes
(07:58):
here.
So all these keynote speakersand their books that they're
hawking on there Once upon atime somebody got my wife into.
My wife likes self-help books.
I despise them.
Cee Cee (08:10):
I love them too.
Warren (08:12):
You like them too, okay.
Cee Cee (08:13):
Well, professional development like books.
I love professional developmentbooks.
Warren (08:18):
Well, our former next door neighbor and my wife were
talking about these self-helpbooks and everything and he
recommended one to her and thenhe ended up just bringing it by
and giving it to her.
Recommended one to her and thenhe ended up just bringing it by
and giving it to her.
And I've noticed this on theonly well, not the only, but a
few of the keynote speakers whenI've actually seen their books
in person.
(08:38):
They're self-published andthat's a huge red flag to me.
If it's self-published, I couldwrite a, I could self-publish a
book tomorrow, just transcribeall the episodes and make a.
Well, this was a physical bookbut it was like my wife could
not get past the first chapterof it because the grammar there
was no editing, it was likegrammar error, central and
things like that.
(08:59):
And I see that for a lot ofthese you know self-help and
keynote speaker types becausethe the market is so flooded
with that and I think that'sprobably one of the only.
Now you do make more money.
I understand on theself-publishing, but anyways,
but like I said, I couldn't doit, I just muted her.
It's like you have to be on fora long time to get your credit,
(09:20):
not that I really need it, butI just went on and moved it.
But it did remind me of a storyfrom a friend of mine.
But it did remind me of a storyfrom mine.
He is the practiceadministrator of a sizable one
at large, not nationwide oranything but a medical office,
and he was telling me you knowwhen and what got me thinking
this is, you know, style of orsubstance is he?
(09:44):
He tells me the story you knowabout all these medical reps who
come in and he said A, they'reall always female.
B, they're all always like tensand they're dressed to like
inexpensive outfits that are,you know, a little bit
provocative.
Now, my friend is not going tobe persuaded by those female
(10:06):
provocative outfits, but he saidthey're like trained monkeys,
their only purpose is to bepersuaded by those female
provocative outfits.
But he sits there and saysthey're like trained monkeys,
their only purpose is to be eyecandy and they can only do the
talking points of what they werespoon fed.
And he says he asked them,they're all like every single
one was like a former collegecheerleader and things like that
.
This is like what you go intowhen you, after you're finished
with cheerleading and thingslike that, what you go into when
(10:29):
you, after you're finished withcheerleading and and things
like that.
But, and you know, some of thedoctors he says are very smitten
by some of these sales reps.
But he just says it's now.
He says he loves some of thestyles these ladies are wearing
and their stuff.
But it's just, it's just, it'sjust funny, the the style over
substance type stuff.
Cee Cee (10:51):
Our friend is a pharmaceutical rep and he's the
only guy and he always makesjokes that he's aging out
because he's turning 50.
Warren (11:08):
So he's like oh man, I'm aging out of this industry.
That's what it seems like,according to my friend.
I don't, I don't know anybodywho's done pharmaceutical sales
and things like that, but yeah,style over substance.
So, anyways, well, this is oursecond episode of 2025.
Yes, the last week I've beenreading all sorts of articles on
hr trends in 2025 and they'realmost all cookie cutter
(11:37):
articles.
Oh man, sherms article, whetherit's I I can't think where else
I've read these articles on butyou know, I'm I'm honestly
reading these articles because I, I want to get something.
I'm an hr nerd.
I, yeah, I want'm honestlyreading these articles because I
want to get something.
I'm an HR nerd.
I want to stay on top of things.
I want to see, oh, what'scoming down the pipeline.
But almost all of them werecookie cutter to the same AI
(11:59):
returning to work, dei and B andmental health.
And then you throw ingroundbreaking.
Yeah, there was nothinggroundbreaking.
I'm like, really, you know you,you know top trends to be on
the lookout for 2025 and it'syeah, ai.
You know I.
I had a conversation withsomebody not that long ago about
ai and you know everybody somewe've talked a number of times
(12:23):
people think we'll lose theirjob to it, and you're not.
But in this labor shortageeconomy, we need to automate all
the jobs we can and be using AIto the fullest extent so we can
not have to worry about hiringbeing.
You know, I could hire 10people tomorrow if I could find
the right 10 people.
Cee Cee (12:40):
Right.
Warren (12:41):
And I think there's so many companies out there that
are the same way.
If you could find those right10 people or more now I'm a
small company we could hire themif you could find them.
So if you free people up withsome AI, maybe we can make
better use of the resources wehave.
So you know, once again, notafraid of AI Returning to work.
Andrew Quilpa (13:03):
we've been talking about it for a year now.
Warren (13:05):
It's you know, and there's more headlines out there
as this big name company ismaking everybody return to work
and this one isn't.
But what was the article I readrecently?
Oh gosh, spotify is not makingtheir people return to work and,
you know, is it going to be athing.
You know, last time wediscussed the pros of coming to
(13:25):
the office and the socialinteraction, especially as
you're a younger professional.
But yeah, that was something.
Cee Cee (13:37):
Honestly, I just let the applicants let you know when
it's time, because when youstart to have people who are
seeking it, then the pendulumwill swing the other direction.
Warren (13:47):
Absolutely.
Cee Cee (13:50):
Yeah, and then you'll adapt.
You know, like you can't likemandate it right now, though I
think that's stupid.
Warren (13:56):
You know I, you know we never had a true where we were
allowed to work certainpositions of course, not every
position or engineer, but youcan't bring a Navy vessel to
your home to work on and thingsbut you know, certain positions
you were allowed to work up totwo days a week.
I stopped that voluntarily, butanyways.
But reading these articlesabout HR trends and one of them
(14:17):
was from SHRM it made me thinkwhy are the writing?
There's nothing groundbreakingthat someone who hasn't been in
HR more than six months can'tget out of.
Out of this.
This article and these articlesand I.
We need a replacement for sean.
And yeah, you know, I told youthis is a topic I'm going to
(14:40):
discuss in a.
I want to dig deeper into atsome point.
But but what's out there thatcan replace hrs?
You know my wife, she doespayroll.
They've got like three or fourprofessional organizations for
payroll people.
I mean payrollorg formerly theAPA is the big one, but there's
several others out there and Ithink a lot of other professions
(15:01):
have multiple professionalorganizations out there for
their people.
But HR, we really don't have analternative to SHRM.
Oh, speaking of which I think Imentioned earlier, I'm going to
the Virginia State SHRM.
I think it's in April orsomething like that Nice.
The opening keynote speaker isJCT, so I'll try to get a selfie
(15:25):
with him or something.
Cee Cee (15:29):
Oh boy.
Warren (15:30):
Actually squirrel brain moment here this state SHRM
council meeting or chapter stateannual meeting.
They've limited to only 600attendees and I've been to every
time in Virginia and I live inNorth Carolina but I work in
Virginia right across the borderbut they rotate among five-ish
(15:54):
cities.
You know Hampton Roads area,richmond area, washington DC
area, roanoke area and somewhereelse I forget where else, but
they rotate among these.
So it comes back to the HamptonRoads, virginia Beach area
every five years or so and I'vebeen to most of the ones in this
area and there's well over.
I don't think I've been to onethat has less than 600 people
(16:15):
and I'm thinking why would youlimit it to 600 people?
I'm curious to see how that goes.
But they're still selling.
I was just checking the otherday.
They're still selling packagesor whatever.
You can still go if you want towant, so they're not sold out.
But if you're going to be, atthe virginia thing charm.
(16:38):
Look, look for me, I'll be, I'llbe there and I'll be handing
out some jaded hr cards.
Love it.
Let's see if I could do that.
So anyways, that is, that'ssomething else going.
But oh, I was going alsosquirrel brain, like I said, the
deib I've seen so many articlesabout and I once again haven't
read 99 of them because most ofit's clickbait.
(17:00):
But yeah, you know, thiscompany's getting rid of our
deib program and that company'sgetting rid of it and I'm like,
okay, let's, let's look at it,because a few years ago, when
you know, you know, deib justyou know, was everybody's hot
topic.
You know, after, after theGeorge Floyd and the other
social injustice things thatwere going on, deib hit its.
(17:22):
You know so many consultantsputting out so many shitty DEIB
programs.
You know their cookie cutterand I see that you know this
company's axing their DIV.
Are they really axing it?
Are they getting rid ofsomething that they bought on a
whim because they need to dosomething very topical, to be
what is the right word?
Be cool, I guess, be trendy,because this is what everybody's
(17:45):
focusing on right now and dosomething, and they got stuck
into some shitty program.
I've actually seen some reallybad.
Yeah, they're done by thesekeynote speakers that have
something cool to offer and tosell to you, but I don't buy it.
(18:05):
Once again, I'm not reading allthose articles.
Cee Cee (18:07):
Yeah.
Warren (18:08):
They're kickbait, Kill it bait.
Cee Cee (18:11):
I like the ones.
What was it?
I think it was Costco who waslike no, what was it?
I think it was Costco who waslike no, we're keeping it, we're
keeping DEIB.
And I think their reasoning.
Well, according to the article,allegedly it was one of those
things that came up in boardmeetings and they're like no,
this is important to our people,we're keeping it, we're keeping
DEI and we are keeping 150 hotdogs, like that's it.
(18:36):
And I was like that's nice, Ilike that.
That's a fun article.
Warren (18:41):
Yeah, yeah, and there's nothing wrong with ditching a
program that isn't working, ornot ditching it, but replacing
it and saying, okay, we justtried this vendor and it's not
working.
Or maybe it's working, fine,but you can do better.
I found something better.
There's always somethingshinier somewhere else.
(19:03):
And so I read all thesearticles.
I'm thinking, yeah, are theyreally getting rid of it or are
they just readjusting, know,retargeting?
I can't see all these companiesI, I ladder.
Cee Cee (19:16):
I hope it's not companies just getting rid of it
, because they don't.
I mean, I'm sure there are, I'msure there are companies out
there, yeah like.
I'm sure there are companieswho are like we're not doing
that anymore by, yeah, like, butI hope it I hope it would be
the latter that there's justmore of a refocus, yeah.
Warren (19:35):
I don't know.
You know SHRM drops the E orwhat do they drop?
Equity?
I can't remember.
Yeah, didn't SHRM drop theequity.
Or I forget what letter theydrop, but out of their DEIB or
what they're teaching or whatthey're doing.
But you know, maybe they'rebuying into that garbage.
Cee Cee (19:59):
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, I don't know, BecauseJohnny C Taylor man, like he's
just a future politician, Likethat's just so.
I don't trust anything.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I don't Any decision thatcomes like that out of Sherm.
Now I'm like just so jadedabout Sherm, you know, I'm like
(20:20):
I don't know, he's just tryingto run for office somewhere,
Like that's just his, that's hisend game.
Warren (20:26):
And that's exactly why I think we need an alternative to
Sherm, and I actually did godown a little bit of a rabbit
hole and I couldn't findanything.
There are other HR organizations, tiny, unknown, you know things
that you know I'm not going togive my money to or anything
like that, but yeah, there is ananything out there.
(20:49):
So hey, if you've got an ideafor an alternative to SHRM, let
us know.
Well, I'm going to save it forthe episode.
I do have one organizationthat's out there that might be
able to.
That seems to be making alittle bit of a headway towards
that.
I don't know if it's their goalor not, but anyways.
So two social media stories.
(21:10):
Well, first one is social mediathe TikTok ban TikTok ban that
lasted a whopping seven hours.
Cee Cee (21:18):
I'm like I'm not cool enough to be on TikTok.
Warren (21:21):
See, I'm not.
My wife lives on TikTok andI'll go ahead and say it.
Most of the people she watchare like human debris on parade.
Cee Cee (21:31):
Oh yeah.
Warren (21:31):
They're just You're only doing TikTok because you're
unemployable otherwise.
But she showed me this video ofthis lady and she's literally
lost her shit.
She's like in a frantic stateof psychosis about the tiktok
ban about to happen and you knowshe's gonna lose.
(21:52):
I looked at her.
She has like okay, she has like150,000 followers, more than we
have, listeners and you knowwhatever 100.
But at 150,000.
Cee Cee (22:03):
We can change that.
Andrew Quilpa (22:03):
listeners you can follow us, just follow us on
all social media.
Warren (22:12):
You're not making buku dollars, that this should is
probably a full-time job ifyou're you're, you've only got
150 000 followers.
You know that that's a greathuge number.
But yeah, you're, you know andyou know, and judging by
everything else she was doing,she's, like that, unemployable
otherwise.
But now tiktok's back and Ithink they they put a.
(22:35):
The new administration, leavingthings apolitical, has put a 75
day.
They're going to revisit it in75 days.
What to what to do with tiktok.
But yeah, people were literallylosing their minds over losing
tikt.
Cee Cee (22:51):
Wow, we really, as a society as a whole, we really
just are a little too connectedto our social media In a bad way
Obsessed.
Also, half of these people Isee on TikTok, I go down weird
rabbit holes.
Now, this is my hobby.
(23:11):
I'm on the YouTube train and Ijust, wherever YouTube takes me,
I go, which is now like myalgorithm on there.
It brings me to like what is it?
Like commenters or something,and they just like talk about
different things in social mediaand a lot of it is like toxic
social media influencers and I'mlike how are these people
(23:35):
making more money than we are?
Just how, like?
I don't know, there's a kidthat just like crashed his
Maserati or some crap and thenhe had to like I don't know, and
I'm just sitting there.
I'm like this is stupid, likeeveryone, why?
Anyway, no, I feel like I needa detox off of social media for
(23:56):
a while, but that's where I'm.
I don't know.
It's so hard because now it'spart of your everyday life.
Warren (24:01):
It's hard it is, it's hard.
I'm, I'm doing much better.
I'm I'm spending less time onFacebook, I'm using Instagram a
little bit more and because I'm,it's, it's like I'm getting I'm
getting a different same metacompany.
I know, but I'm getting adifferent same meta company, I
know, but I'm getting adifferent algorithm of posts of
people I don't follow and it's,it doesn't feel as toxic, it
(24:22):
doesn't feel, as you know, Idon't get the political garbage
I you know, that's all overFacebook and things like that.
But in speaking of YouTube,there's two hobbies I have that
I follow a lot of YouTubers onand I'm getting to the point
where I don't want to followthem as much anymore because
(24:44):
they're hocking something.
And you know, the two thingsare homebrewing and off-road
driving and you know everybody's.
And you follow my affiliatelink in the bottom and I'm like,
okay, great, but tell me whatyou really.
If you're trying to tell mesomething, tell me about what
you really think, even thoughthey say, oh, this is a I'm not
paid for to my opinion and I can.
They gave me this free and Ican say what I want about it.
(25:05):
Like, no, they didn't.
You know, you want to keep thegravy train going.
So, yeah, I'm gonna get to say,you know, this sucks and things
like that, when, like everysecond or third video is just
blatantly hawking something whenI want to see, you know, I want
to see these off-road trailsthat I want to go on.
You know, I'm planning anothertrip to Utah to see my daughter
and I'm going to be taking mytruck and I'm trying to figure
(25:27):
out where I want to gooff-roading while I'm in Utah,
except for Moab.
I will not do.
Moab is you know?
Yeah, it's, it's very specialpeople in Moab in the off-road
community.
So anyways, everybody wants togo there, been there, done that
and not going back.
But home brewers are a lot less, because I guess there's a lot
(25:49):
less, you know, money maybe init, but or maybe it's just the
mix of people I'm watching butI'm not getting as much.
They recommend this product,they recommend that product.
I buy this or I don't buy that.
On the other side of my monitorhere is my brewing station and
I've not brewed anything in avery long time.
The word influencer has such anegative connotation to me when
(26:17):
someone describes themselves asan influencer.
I just why?
Cee Cee (26:22):
Well, don't you think highly of yourself?
Warren (26:25):
Yeah, I have the right opinion, you know.
Andrew Quilpa (26:29):
I'm special.
Warren (26:31):
I know more than you about this and things like that.
Go back to keeping up speakersagain.
Cee Cee (26:37):
Seriously.
Warren (26:39):
These people are in the HR world.
I don't follow anybody onYouTube anymore on HR related
because that just I think Istill think I have baked.
Hr Ladies, you haven't put avideo out in forever, oh yeah.
You haven't put a video out inforever.
Get another one out, but wehaven't.
You know I unsubscribe fromeverything because they were
(27:03):
garbage and a lot of.
You know touchy feely, do yourbest and oh, this is.
You know what you have to do,not your your advice.
Advice, it doesn't resonatewith so was.
Cee Cee (27:16):
Was the keynote speaker for this three letter company.
Was it someone well known orwas it just like?
Warren (27:25):
okay, okay, I'd never heard she.
You know it, never.
And that's one thing you know,every I've been going to this
for online.
They do it once or twice a yearand the first thing I do is I
look at the list of presenters.
There's only one name Irecognize and I was like, eh, I
can take it or leave it.
And then I a list of presentersand then I say, okay, I could
(27:46):
take it or leave it.
But you know, people I reallylike and enjoy have been
presenters.
Kate Bischoff has been one oftheir presenters before.
John Hyman has David Miklas, Ithink.
A lot of people that I do enjoyfollowing.
And you know, if I see KateBischoff or John Hyman as a
presenter in a seminar, I'mprobably going to attend their
(28:08):
session, their little breakoutsession, because I know what I'm
getting, yeah, and I'm going toenjoy it.
And they don't pander to theiraudiences but this whole thing.
Anyways, but squirrel brain allday today it's the snow, it's
the snow, it's the snow.
Where I was going, did you seethe instance of the Philadelphia
(28:30):
Eagles fan and the Green BayPacker fan their interaction no,
so I read it.
Cee Cee (28:37):
I didn't see the interaction, though, like I got
the gist of it, but I didn'thear.
Warren (28:42):
Video myself, okay but there's been so much written
about it and okay, philadelphiais well known for having some of
the rowdiest, toughest, meanestfans around.
Cee Cee (28:56):
Yeah, don't they have a jail in the stadium for that.
Warren (29:00):
I understand they're old , Maybe I don't know if the new
one does, but the old stadiumdid indeed have.
I saw something online that itdid have a jail in the old
stadium.
I don't know if the new stadiumhas that or not.
I would guess it would becauseit's a bigger stadium.
They're going to have moreproblems with it.
But on video this guy is caughtdropping the C word onto this
(29:25):
Green Bay Packer female fan, Seeand classy, and on top of it he
works for a DEI firm.
That was his job.
Cee Cee (29:38):
Get out of here.
Warren (29:40):
No.
Cee Cee (29:41):
The irony.
Warren (29:42):
He worked for.
Cee Cee (29:46):
He got one job, dude.
Warren (29:50):
And yeah, and you're in.
Well, get this.
And I think this came from johnhyman or eric marr, I don't
remember.
I want to give credit, but Idon't remember who exactly said
it.
The man issued an apology andin his apology it was taken out
context.
How do you take calling someonea cunt out of context?
(30:12):
I don't think there's a way toput that in context in any way.
And also, in his quote-unquoteapology, he says that he was
provoked and, like you know,you're this big dude, macho dude
, you're going to let this ladyprovoke you into this.
(30:34):
I just yeah, there were so manythings wrong.
Actually, see, if I can, that'shilarious.
But yeah, I wish I could givecredit to.
It's one of the dailynewsletters I subscribe to and
it was either John Hyman or EricMeyer.
So I'm sorry, whoever, whoeverit is, but not giving proper
(30:55):
credit, but yeah it why?
Cee Cee (30:59):
why do people uh like and I'm okay, I'm honestly with
this like I know some people arevery upset with like, oh, you
shouldn't get people fired.
But I know, because if that'show you behave outside, then
that's how you behave inside theoffice.
And you know what?
I'm okay with a little publichumiliation.
If you're going to behave likean idiot, you get to.
Warren (31:20):
You got to be yeah, to be publicly scorned yeah, and
now that you know, his chancesof getting another job are like.
I forget his name, but it's outthere and all they have to do
is google his name and you cansay what he did and what he's
famous for now and he's gonnahe's gonna have some back office
(31:43):
there's anything wrong, buthe's not to be forward-facing
anywhere for the next many yearswhen he's going to have Klein
in our church, hell or the?
Dude who at the football game?
Yeah, yeah, no.
Cee Cee (31:56):
He'll be fine.
He'll find something, just notin DEI, he'll be fine.
Warren (32:01):
What's the opposite of DEI?
Cee Cee (32:03):
Oh, my God.
Warren (32:04):
Yeah, I just thought that was crazy, that he, you
know, but it's social media andyou know, going back, I have
freedom of speech, you havefreedom of speech, but you don't
have also, you don't havefreedom of consequences for your
speech.
So if you're out there andyou're saying this, and it's not
against the government, so youcan't even claim that.
(32:26):
I'm glad that important borderdropped him like a bad habit.
Cee Cee (32:33):
There was one recently another story where this woman
was just doing a TikTok and shewas just like blah, blah, blah,
like I don't know.
She was mixing, making somefood and talking like through a
tutorial and she dropped theN-word a few times.
Oh, and she's a white woman andshe just like dropped the
(32:54):
N-word a couple times and Ithink people were just like,
excuse me, like what?
And the company that she workedfor is owned by a black woman
and she got fired real fast,like real fast well, I thought
(33:15):
you were going to go this one.
Warren (33:16):
This came out just the other day.
A flight attendant for alaskaairlines was fired for filming a
dance in her Airways uniformher Alaska Airways uniform and
her response was what's wrongwith a little twerk before work?
I pulled up the article rightnow A poet, you can do all the
(33:39):
twerking before work you want todo.
Maybe not do it in your uniform.
Yeah, and here's the firstcomment on this article.
I found You're in uniform, andthen they said A you're in
uniform.
B a GoFundMe.
Seriously, and apparently Ihaven't read this version of the
article.
Oh yeah, she started a GoFundMewhere, as of January 19th,
(34:00):
she's raised $2,600.
And her response was what'swrong with a little work, a
twerk before work?
She continued the captionpeople act like they never did
that before.
And then the hashtags fyp,flight attendant life
discrimination is realdiscrimination okay, but okay, I
(34:20):
have quite.
Cee Cee (34:21):
I have follow-up questions because I've seen
other airlines and other peoplepost their quirky videos.
They'll go viral and there's nolike, whatever.
So my question is what was thenature of the dancing and was
like provocative, was it like?
(34:42):
I don't know.
I have quite I need tounderstand why Alaskan Airlines
decided to fire this employeewhen it seems like other
employees of other airlines cando things in their uniform that
are fun and quirky.
Warren (34:55):
Okay, I just tried to click the link to the video
which I have not seen before.
Cee Cee (34:59):
I know Now.
Warren (35:00):
I'm warning this post may not be comfortable for some
audiences.
Andrew Quilpa (35:04):
You must log in.
Warren (35:06):
So apparently maybe it's a little inappropriate.
I don't have a TikTok accountavailable on my computer to
check it out, but Google twerkbefore work.
I'm sure you can find it andsee what the nature of that
video is.
So boy.
Cee Cee (35:25):
I'm like now I got a.
This is live.
This is this right, here islive, live research.
I don't know.
I see that's working, I see thebeauty shaking.
I don't think it's a fireableoffense, I'm just gonna say it.
I don't know if I would havefired her.
Warren (35:44):
Yeah so I I don't know well, whatever, I'm just going
to say it.
I don't know if I would havefired her.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Well, whatever, I'm not goingto.
Okay, this is, as I haven'tseen the video once again On
November 17th, the then flightattendant posted a TikTok, a
video to TikTok, in which shedanced and, in her own words,
twerked in the aisles of anempty airplane.
(36:04):
Her own words twerked in theaisles of an empty airplane and
she used I'll quoting her hereplease, people, ghetto, bit till
I die, don't let the uniformfool you is what you're saying.
So yeah, the caption yeah, somaybe the verbiage, but anyways
yeah I don't know.
Cee Cee (36:22):
This is why I don't do real HR.
This is why I'm in talentmanagement.
Warren (36:30):
Oh no, Talent management is real HR, but anyways.
Cee Cee (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm just, I don't doemployee relations or anything
like that.
Warren (36:39):
You know, I just also got to think have fun, do what
you want to do on.
I mean, I'm sure Alaskaairlines probably got dozens of
uh only plans people on their intheir roster but they're not
doing their stuff in their.
This is their uniform, thingslike that.
Cee Cee (36:55):
Yeah, you never know what people are even hey, even
hooters has very strong rulesabout their uniform oh gosh, too
many jokes.
Get me canceled quickly no,like, apparently it's a real
thing, like if you work athooters, you are not allowed to
wear your uniform outside ofwork and if you are photographed
(37:18):
wearing your uniform outside ofwork, you will be terminated
yeah, okay, well, I, I I can seethe logic behind that.
Warren (37:27):
If you're you know you could be representing the
company in your social mediainappropriate.
I mean, you know Hooters usedto be so provocative and now
it's tame, you know.
Cee Cee (37:42):
Yeah.
Warren (37:44):
Yeah.
Cee Cee (37:44):
I'm a sucker for some good wings.
I'm sorry'm sorry like I'm notbeing a very good feminist, but
I really like wings have youever done a birthday party there
into a birthday party?
Warren (37:56):
no some things they do I know, I know hot dogs and I was
just watching.
I wasn't part of this birthdayparty, but I was just there
eating some wings, watchingfootball and watching someone
else do this thing.
Cee Cee (38:10):
So anyways, I got to be honest.
For a while I was veryintrigued with the whole Hooters
employment stuff because theydo so many practices, because I
know a few women who have workedin Hooters their past life.
But they do weigh-ins, they dothis, they do that and I'm like,
how do they get away with that?
(38:31):
And interesting fact, and I'mnot sure if it's still true
today, but apparently at onepoint they hired entertainer.
Like they're classified asentertainers, not servers, so
that's how they can get awaywith like doing weigh-ins and
like making sure you're not likeit's so.
(38:51):
Oh, like it's a, it was a, I'veheard it's a very toxic
environment I, I can onlyimagine you know anyways.
Warren (39:02):
But yeah, yes, social media is the devil and people
who I enjoy social media to acertain degree.
I'm trying to wean myself.
Like I said earlier, I'm doingmuch better.
I'm spending so much less timeon Facebook, I'm spending a wee
bit more time on Instagram, buta wee bit more than what I was
is not much, and I'm trying toslowly wean myself off of it.
(39:23):
So I think that will, unlessyou have anything else you want
to cover today.
Cee Cee (39:32):
No, honestly, I don't know if I mentioned this before,
but I don't think I did so.
Last week we everyone in thefamily got COVID.
So it started with my mom, whothen, like, gave it to my dad
and their child care.
So then we went one weekwithout child care and then,
(39:53):
right when they were starting tofeel better, I got the COVID
and Kevin got it.
And then, luckily, the baby didnot get it.
Baby, and if she was, she wasasymptomatic, but nope, she was
asymptomatic but nope, she wasjust nope.
Knock on wood.
I don't know how we got out, Idon't know how we survived
(40:17):
without her getting sick, butyeah, so I am just kind of in a
space of I'm feeling better andI'm trying to catch up on work
that I missed and I survived.
That's where I'm trying tocatch up on work that I missed
and I survived.
Warren (40:28):
That's where I'm at Knock on wood.
I haven't had COVID since Idon't know in a few.
I had it one time and it wasmoderately mild case of it, but
I do.
I'm still getting my COVID shot.
You know, I just told my doctorwhen I went at the end of
December.
I said look, if you recommendit I'll do it, Otherwise I don't
(40:51):
care one way or the other.
And she recommended it, so Igot it.
And what happens?
Every time I get COVID shot?
I burn a fever for like twodays.
Oh yeah, I feel like crap and Istill haven't fully recovered
from it.
I still get you know, a littleis I just feel like crap for a
couple of days and then like Ijust had some lingering
congestion and stuff, but yeahso oh no, I got it and I got
(41:14):
knocked on my ass.
Cee Cee (41:16):
Oh every, every single symptom you could have gotten.
I gotten especially everythingdown to, like the nose and this
taste, and oh my God it was.
It was 48 hours of just deathand then I rebounded pretty fast
.
Warren (41:31):
But yeah, okay, but we got it.
Oh Sorry, sorry to hear that.
Well, you should be good for acouple years before you get it
again, right?
Cee Cee (41:44):
I get it every year, Warren.
Oh, really, I have get it everyyear warren oh really, I have
gotten it every year since 2022.
Like, okay, yeah, this is every.
At every time I get all of thesymptoms, it's just me.
I'm like I don't know what itis about me oh.
Covid loves me, I must be areally good host.
Warren (42:08):
Like, oh, yeah, I feel for you.
Like I said the first time, theonly time I had it it was a
couple days not feeling so, likeI said, it was rather mild.
I know people have just beenhorrible with it.
I was like really like a scalea sore throat, like on the like,
(42:28):
a strep throat, sore throat,head congestion and headaches.
I didn't have any nausea, um,and I didn't lose my taste at
all, but yeah, I was.
That's why I had this like astrep throat, sore throat, oh,
and then you're coughing.
All the time I was coughing somuch my abs were sore for like
two weeks like been doinghundreds of sit-ups a day and
(42:50):
looking at me, you know Ihaven't done a hundred sit-ups
in my life combined, but my absfelt like it from all the
coughing.
Oh gosh.
Cee Cee (42:59):
Wonderful If that was a side effect.
Like, yeah, you're going tocough your brains out, but by
the end of this you're going tohave like a six pack and you're
going to look so good.
Warren (43:08):
I felt like I should have all that.
Yeah, yeah, that was.
That was so well.
We'll lay in this wonderful funplane on some COVID.
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five years and with all that funstuff said as always, I'm
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Cee Cee (00:54):
I'm Cece All right back again.
Warren (00:58):
Yeah, so we were talking about your Snowmageddon and my
lack of it last episode.
Now my area is actually gettingit.
I was telling you before westarted.
You know it's actually snowinghere in the coast of North
Carolina because you've got thewarm water of the Atlantic Ocean
and where I live, the sound theCurry Tuck sound is like 200
(01:19):
yards.
That way it's warm water so itlike shields us from snow most
of the time, but it's like I'mlooking out the window right now
I can see it in the light.
It's really coming down.
We're depending on which appyou use or weather station you
look at, you know it's somewherebetween six and nine inches
we're supposed to get.
It was just like mind-blowingbecause we go years without
(01:43):
anything and now we're actuallygonna get some.
Cee Cee (01:46):
My brother-in-law in norlean sent me a picture his
son in the front yard and itlooks like it's probably six
inches there and oh my gosh,yeah, this, the snowstorm is
crazy he was trying to contactone of our vendors today, just
to connect with them, and I gotan automatic reply back and he
said, or it said, somethingalong the lines of I'm not in
(02:07):
the office today, I'm enjoyingour first snow in New Orleans
for like since for 17 years orsomething and I was like, good
for you, enjoy exactly.
Warren (02:17):
yeah, I don't think my nephew down there has ever seen
snow.
This might be his first timeever seeing snow, at least down
there.
Maybe he's traveled somewhere,but but I was telling you this
is the snow I personally like,because most of the time in the
south the snow we get is thatwet, mushy, slushy stuff.
Yeah, I can tell you when itwould snow when my was little,
(02:40):
my brother we'd come, we'd havea snowball fight and we'd be
coming home all bloody as youpack a snowball and you're just
throwing a chunk of ice at eachother by the time you do that
and yeah, there were some—welooked like we'd been through a
real war after a couple ofrounds of snowball fights out
there.
But yeah, but this is the lightpowdery stuff.
You know my grandmother who, bythe way, on last Wednesday, the
(03:02):
15th she turned 106 years old.
She's doing okay, especiallyfor being 106.
Yeah, I called her.
She didn't have a clue who Iwas, I don't think, but she was
very sweet and very polite and Ithink she liked the attention
of getting a phone call andthings like that.
(03:22):
But I'm named for her husband,my grandfather, and I am always
worried that.
You know my grandfather's beendead for quite a while and will
she think I'm him?
I just don't want.
Oh, it's Warren.
No, not that Warren.
I'm always worried, since she'sbeen sort of declining.
(03:44):
But she was very happy, verypolite.
She didn't have a.
Oh, I was worried, since she'sbeen sort of declining.
Andrew Quilpa (03:49):
But she was very happy, very polite.
She didn't have a clue who Iwas.
Warren (03:51):
Aw, yeah, yeah, but anyways, she lived in Montana up
until very recently and thislight powdery snow that sort of
it's dry and powdery thatreminds me of Montana snow and
not, you know, north Carolinasnow.
So, anyways, having a lot offun with that.
So, yeah, we're snowmageddon,round two down here.
We'll see, actually, as I'mspeaking, how you get that
(04:13):
little Microsoft alert in thecorner four inches of snow
expected in the next four hours,six inches of snow tonight, and
it's two additional inches ofsnow before whatever.
So, anyways, it popped off tooquick before I could read it.
But yeah, we're gonna.
It's gonna be interesting.
We'll see what.
Cee Cee (04:30):
What we have here our snow is still on the ground,
like it hasn't gotten abovefreezing, which is very not
normal for us.
So, like it's it's been, I feellike I live in South Park, the
snow is just still there.
Always there, always there.
But we're going to go down tonegative three tonight, so heat
(04:51):
is on.
I am bundled in an oversizedhoodie.
I'm like this is my vibe, justyeah.
Warren (05:00):
Ready for it.
So I'm now only coming intothis room over at the garage to
record.
Now I'm doing everything else.
I take my laptop downstairs.
I even got a little lap deskthing, which is actually quite
awesome, and I have a portablesecond screen monitor that, if I
wanted to put on there, I couldput on so I could do things
(05:21):
from my desk.
Oh yeah, so I'm only coming uphere to record, where I can be
in peace and quiet and thingslike that.
So yeah, but I didn't have theheat on and so it's still
working.
I'm getting up here, so it'llkick in at some point, but,
unlike previous recent episodes,I actually did homework.
(05:43):
Yay, I typed up notes and I amprepared for podcasting today.
So let's see if that makes anydifference at all or not.
So anyway.
So I did a webinar this weekand my wife actually did the
(06:06):
same webinar.
It was from a company that'sknown for their HRS and payroll
systems.
They have a three letter name,but I won't mention who they are
.
Anyways, I was doing thewebinar and the opening keynote
speaker.
The opening keynote speaker wasI've said it a number of times
before before I have a disdainfor keynotes.
(06:29):
I I see many of them.
And this one was the same asit's.
It's your stereotypicalhallmark or lifetime movie.
You, you, you take a tragedy,you put a setting in whatever
setting it's in, and then whatthey did to overcome it,
including writing a book don'tforget writing the book.
And then how they, how theyovercame that, that problem.
(06:50):
And this person, she had ahorrible tragedy go on in her
life, but it was, it wasformulaic, keynote speaker and
after like 15 minutes, and inthat 15 minutes, 10 mentions of
her book, I muted it.
I was like done, I'll just muteit, I'll work on the side.
(07:10):
My wife, my wife listened to itand you know we compared notes
afterwards and she really likedit.
And she liked the lady's storyand it really related.
Well, she liked the story.
It was a sad, tragic story andthings.
But I said, well, you liked thestory, but what did you get out
of it?
Was there substance, any levelof substance that you're going
(07:32):
to get out and say you know thatyou're better for and you know
we're listening to that for anhour?
And she said, well, no, but itwas a really nice, compelling
story.
I'm like, yeah, but I don't.
You know, I can watch TV.
If I want a nice story, I don'twanna be in a seminar to hear
that same story.
And you know, okay, here'sanother thing going off my notes
(07:58):
here.
So all these keynote speakersand their books that they're
hawking on there Once upon atime somebody got my wife into.
My wife likes self-help books.
I despise them.
Cee Cee (08:10):
I love them too.
Warren (08:12):
You like them too, okay.
Cee Cee (08:13):
Well, professional development like books.
I love professional developmentbooks.
Warren (08:18):
Well, our former next door neighbor and my wife were
talking about these self-helpbooks and everything and he
recommended one to her and thenhe ended up just bringing it by
and giving it to her.
Recommended one to her and thenhe ended up just bringing it by
and giving it to her.
And I've noticed this on theonly well, not the only, but a
few of the keynote speakers whenI've actually seen their books
in person.
(08:38):
They're self-published andthat's a huge red flag to me.
If it's self-published, I couldwrite a, I could self-publish a
book tomorrow, just transcribeall the episodes and make a.
Well, this was a physical bookbut it was like my wife could
not get past the first chapterof it because the grammar there
was no editing, it was likegrammar error, central and
things like that.
(08:59):
And I see that for a lot ofthese you know self-help and
keynote speaker types becausethe the market is so flooded
with that and I think that'sprobably one of the only.
Now you do make more money.
I understand on theself-publishing, but anyways,
but like I said, I couldn't doit, I just muted her.
It's like you have to be on fora long time to get your credit,
(09:20):
not that I really need it, butI just went on and moved it.
But it did remind me of a storyfrom a friend of mine.
But it did remind me of a storyfrom mine.
He is the practiceadministrator of a sizable one
at large, not nationwide oranything but a medical office,
and he was telling me you knowwhen and what got me thinking
this is, you know, style of orsubstance is he?
(09:44):
He tells me the story you knowabout all these medical reps who
come in and he said A, they'reall always female.
B, they're all always like tensand they're dressed to like
inexpensive outfits that are,you know, a little bit
provocative.
Now, my friend is not going tobe persuaded by those female
(10:06):
provocative outfits, but he saidthey're like trained monkeys,
their only purpose is to bepersuaded by those female
provocative outfits.
But he sits there and saysthey're like trained monkeys,
their only purpose is to be eyecandy and they can only do the
talking points of what they werespoon fed.
And he says he asked them,they're all like every single
one was like a former collegecheerleader and things like that
.
This is like what you go intowhen you, after you're finished
with cheerleading and thingslike that, what you go into when
(10:29):
you, after you're finished withcheerleading and and things
like that.
But, and you know, some of thedoctors he says are very smitten
by some of these sales reps.
But he just says it's now.
He says he loves some of thestyles these ladies are wearing
and their stuff.
But it's just, it's just, it'sjust funny, the the style over
substance type stuff.
Cee Cee (10:51):
Our friend is a pharmaceutical rep and he's the
only guy and he always makesjokes that he's aging out
because he's turning 50.
Warren (11:08):
So he's like oh man, I'm aging out of this industry.
That's what it seems like,according to my friend.
I don't, I don't know anybodywho's done pharmaceutical sales
and things like that, but yeah,style over substance.
So, anyways, well, this is oursecond episode of 2025.
Yes, the last week I've beenreading all sorts of articles on
hr trends in 2025 and they'realmost all cookie cutter
(11:37):
articles.
Oh man, sherms article, whetherit's I I can't think where else
I've read these articles on butyou know, I'm I'm honestly
reading these articles because I, I want to get something.
I'm an hr nerd.
I, yeah, I want'm honestlyreading these articles because I
want to get something.
I'm an HR nerd.
I want to stay on top of things.
I want to see, oh, what'scoming down the pipeline.
But almost all of them werecookie cutter to the same AI
(11:59):
returning to work, dei and B andmental health.
And then you throw ingroundbreaking.
Yeah, there was nothinggroundbreaking.
I'm like, really, you know you,you know top trends to be on
the lookout for 2025 and it'syeah, ai.
You know I.
I had a conversation withsomebody not that long ago about
ai and you know everybody somewe've talked a number of times
(12:23):
people think we'll lose theirjob to it, and you're not.
But in this labor shortageeconomy, we need to automate all
the jobs we can and be using AIto the fullest extent so we can
not have to worry about hiringbeing.
You know, I could hire 10people tomorrow if I could find
the right 10 people.
Cee Cee (12:40):
Right.
Warren (12:41):
And I think there's so many companies out there that
are the same way.
If you could find those right10 people or more now I'm a
small company we could hire themif you could find them.
So if you free people up withsome AI, maybe we can make
better use of the resources wehave.
So you know, once again, notafraid of AI Returning to work.
Andrew Quilpa (13:03):
we've been talking about it for a year now.
Warren (13:05):
It's you know, and there's more headlines out there
as this big name company ismaking everybody return to work
and this one isn't.
But what was the article I readrecently?
Oh gosh, spotify is not makingtheir people return to work and,
you know, is it going to be athing.
You know, last time wediscussed the pros of coming to
(13:25):
the office and the socialinteraction, especially as
you're a younger professional.
But yeah, that was something.
Cee Cee (13:37):
Honestly, I just let the applicants let you know when
it's time, because when youstart to have people who are
seeking it, then the pendulumwill swing the other direction.
Warren (13:47):
Absolutely.
Cee Cee (13:50):
Yeah, and then you'll adapt.
You know, like you can't likemandate it right now, though I
think that's stupid.
Warren (13:56):
You know I, you know we never had a true where we were
allowed to work certainpositions of course, not every
position or engineer, but youcan't bring a Navy vessel to
your home to work on and thingsbut you know, certain positions
you were allowed to work up totwo days a week.
I stopped that voluntarily, butanyways.
But reading these articlesabout HR trends and one of them
(14:17):
was from SHRM it made me thinkwhy are the writing?
There's nothing groundbreakingthat someone who hasn't been in
HR more than six months can'tget out of.
Out of this.
This article and these articlesand I.
We need a replacement for sean.
And yeah, you know, I told youthis is a topic I'm going to
(14:40):
discuss in a.
I want to dig deeper into atsome point.
But but what's out there thatcan replace hrs?
You know my wife, she doespayroll.
They've got like three or fourprofessional organizations for
payroll people.
I mean payrollorg formerly theAPA is the big one, but there's
several others out there and Ithink a lot of other professions
(15:01):
have multiple professionalorganizations out there for
their people.
But HR, we really don't have analternative to SHRM.
Oh, speaking of which I think Imentioned earlier, I'm going to
the Virginia State SHRM.
I think it's in April orsomething like that Nice.
The opening keynote speaker isJCT, so I'll try to get a selfie
(15:25):
with him or something.
Cee Cee (15:29):
Oh boy.
Warren (15:30):
Actually squirrel brain moment here this state SHRM
council meeting or chapter stateannual meeting.
They've limited to only 600attendees and I've been to every
time in Virginia and I live inNorth Carolina but I work in
Virginia right across the borderbut they rotate among five-ish
(15:54):
cities.
You know Hampton Roads area,richmond area, washington DC
area, roanoke area and somewhereelse I forget where else, but
they rotate among these.
So it comes back to the HamptonRoads, virginia Beach area
every five years or so and I'vebeen to most of the ones in this
area and there's well over.
I don't think I've been to onethat has less than 600 people
(16:15):
and I'm thinking why would youlimit it to 600 people?
I'm curious to see how that goes.
But they're still selling.
I was just checking the otherday.
They're still selling packagesor whatever.
You can still go if you want towant, so they're not sold out.
But if you're going to be, atthe virginia thing charm.
(16:38):
Look, look for me, I'll be, I'llbe there and I'll be handing
out some jaded hr cards.
Love it.
Let's see if I could do that.
So anyways, that is, that'ssomething else going.
But oh, I was going alsosquirrel brain, like I said, the
deib I've seen so many articlesabout and I once again haven't
read 99 of them because most ofit's clickbait.
(17:00):
But yeah, you know, thiscompany's getting rid of our
deib program and that company'sgetting rid of it and I'm like,
okay, let's, let's look at it,because a few years ago, when
you know, you know, deib justyou know, was everybody's hot
topic.
You know, after, after theGeorge Floyd and the other
social injustice things thatwere going on, deib hit its.
(17:22):
You know so many consultantsputting out so many shitty DEIB
programs.
You know their cookie cutterand I see that you know this
company's axing their DIV.
Are they really axing it?
Are they getting rid ofsomething that they bought on a
whim because they need to dosomething very topical, to be
what is the right word?
Be cool, I guess, be trendy,because this is what everybody's
(17:45):
focusing on right now and dosomething, and they got stuck
into some shitty program.
I've actually seen some reallybad.
Yeah, they're done by thesekeynote speakers that have
something cool to offer and tosell to you, but I don't buy it.
(18:05):
Once again, I'm not reading allthose articles.
Cee Cee (18:07):
Yeah.
Warren (18:08):
They're kickbait, Kill it bait.
Cee Cee (18:11):
I like the ones.
What was it?
I think it was Costco who waslike no, what was it?
I think it was Costco who waslike no, we're keeping it, we're
keeping DEIB.
And I think their reasoning.
Well, according to the article,allegedly it was one of those
things that came up in boardmeetings and they're like no,
this is important to our people,we're keeping it, we're keeping
DEI and we are keeping 150 hotdogs, like that's it.
(18:36):
And I was like that's nice, Ilike that.
That's a fun article.
Warren (18:41):
Yeah, yeah, and there's nothing wrong with ditching a
program that isn't working, ornot ditching it, but replacing
it and saying, okay, we justtried this vendor and it's not
working.
Or maybe it's working, fine,but you can do better.
I found something better.
There's always somethingshinier somewhere else.
(19:03):
And so I read all thesearticles.
I'm thinking, yeah, are theyreally getting rid of it or are
they just readjusting, know,retargeting?
I can't see all these companiesI, I ladder.
Cee Cee (19:16):
I hope it's not companies just getting rid of it
, because they don't.
I mean, I'm sure there are, I'msure there are companies out
there, yeah like.
I'm sure there are companieswho are like we're not doing
that anymore by, yeah, like, butI hope it I hope it would be
the latter that there's justmore of a refocus, yeah.
Warren (19:35):
I don't know.
You know SHRM drops the E orwhat do they drop?
Equity?
I can't remember.
Yeah, didn't SHRM drop theequity.
Or I forget what letter theydrop, but out of their DEIB or
what they're teaching or whatthey're doing.
But you know, maybe they'rebuying into that garbage.
Cee Cee (19:59):
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, I don't know, BecauseJohnny C Taylor man, like he's
just a future politician, Likethat's just so.
I don't trust anything.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I don't Any decision thatcomes like that out of Sherm.
Now I'm like just so jadedabout Sherm, you know, I'm like
(20:20):
I don't know, he's just tryingto run for office somewhere,
Like that's just his, that's hisend game.
Warren (20:26):
And that's exactly why I think we need an alternative to
Sherm, and I actually did godown a little bit of a rabbit
hole and I couldn't findanything.
There are other HR organizations, tiny, unknown, you know things
that you know I'm not going togive my money to or anything
like that, but yeah, there is ananything out there.
(20:49):
So hey, if you've got an ideafor an alternative to SHRM, let
us know.
Well, I'm going to save it forthe episode.
I do have one organizationthat's out there that might be
able to.
That seems to be making alittle bit of a headway towards
that.
I don't know if it's their goalor not, but anyways.
So two social media stories.
(21:10):
Well, first one is social mediathe TikTok ban TikTok ban that
lasted a whopping seven hours.
Cee Cee (21:18):
I'm like I'm not cool enough to be on TikTok.
Warren (21:21):
See, I'm not.
My wife lives on TikTok andI'll go ahead and say it.
Most of the people she watchare like human debris on parade.
Cee Cee (21:31):
Oh yeah.
Warren (21:31):
They're just You're only doing TikTok because you're
unemployable otherwise.
But she showed me this video ofthis lady and she's literally
lost her shit.
She's like in a frantic stateof psychosis about the tiktok
ban about to happen and you knowshe's gonna lose.
(21:52):
I looked at her.
She has like okay, she has like150,000 followers, more than we
have, listeners and you knowwhatever 100.
But at 150,000.
Cee Cee (22:03):
We can change that.
Andrew Quilpa (22:03):
listeners you can follow us, just follow us on
all social media.
Warren (22:12):
You're not making buku dollars, that this should is
probably a full-time job ifyou're you're, you've only got
150 000 followers.
You know that that's a greathuge number.
But yeah, you're, you know andyou know, and judging by
everything else she was doing,she's, like that, unemployable
otherwise.
But now tiktok's back and Ithink they they put a.
(22:35):
The new administration, leavingthings apolitical, has put a 75
day.
They're going to revisit it in75 days.
What to what to do with tiktok.
But yeah, people were literallylosing their minds over losing
tikt.
Cee Cee (22:51):
Wow, we really, as a society as a whole, we really
just are a little too connectedto our social media In a bad way
Obsessed.
Also, half of these people Isee on TikTok, I go down weird
rabbit holes.
Now, this is my hobby.
(23:11):
I'm on the YouTube train and Ijust, wherever YouTube takes me,
I go, which is now like myalgorithm on there.
It brings me to like what is it?
Like commenters or something,and they just like talk about
different things in social mediaand a lot of it is like toxic
social media influencers and I'mlike how are these people
(23:35):
making more money than we are?
Just how, like?
I don't know, there's a kidthat just like crashed his
Maserati or some crap and thenhe had to like I don't know, and
I'm just sitting there.
I'm like this is stupid, likeeveryone, why?
Anyway, no, I feel like I needa detox off of social media for
(23:56):
a while, but that's where I'm.
I don't know.
It's so hard because now it'spart of your everyday life.
Warren (24:01):
It's hard it is, it's hard.
I'm, I'm doing much better.
I'm I'm spending less time onFacebook, I'm using Instagram a
little bit more and because I'm,it's, it's like I'm getting I'm
getting a different same metacompany.
I know, but I'm getting adifferent same meta company, I
know, but I'm getting adifferent algorithm of posts of
people I don't follow and it's,it doesn't feel as toxic, it
(24:22):
doesn't feel, as you know, Idon't get the political garbage
I you know, that's all overFacebook and things like that.
But in speaking of YouTube,there's two hobbies I have that
I follow a lot of YouTubers onand I'm getting to the point
where I don't want to followthem as much anymore because
(24:44):
they're hocking something.
And you know, the two thingsare homebrewing and off-road
driving and you know everybody's.
And you follow my affiliatelink in the bottom and I'm like,
okay, great, but tell me whatyou really.
If you're trying to tell mesomething, tell me about what
you really think, even thoughthey say, oh, this is a I'm not
paid for to my opinion and I can.
They gave me this free and Ican say what I want about it.
(25:05):
Like, no, they didn't.
You know, you want to keep thegravy train going.
So, yeah, I'm gonna get to say,you know, this sucks and things
like that, when, like everysecond or third video is just
blatantly hawking something whenI want to see, you know, I want
to see these off-road trailsthat I want to go on.
You know, I'm planning anothertrip to Utah to see my daughter
and I'm going to be taking mytruck and I'm trying to figure
(25:27):
out where I want to gooff-roading while I'm in Utah,
except for Moab.
I will not do.
Moab is you know?
Yeah, it's, it's very specialpeople in Moab in the off-road
community.
So anyways, everybody wants togo there, been there, done that
and not going back.
But home brewers are a lot less, because I guess there's a lot
(25:49):
less, you know, money maybe init, but or maybe it's just the
mix of people I'm watching butI'm not getting as much.
They recommend this product,they recommend that product.
I buy this or I don't buy that.
On the other side of my monitorhere is my brewing station and
I've not brewed anything in avery long time.
The word influencer has such anegative connotation to me when
(26:17):
someone describes themselves asan influencer.
I just why?
Cee Cee (26:22):
Well, don't you think highly of yourself?
Warren (26:25):
Yeah, I have the right opinion, you know.
Andrew Quilpa (26:29):
I'm special.
Warren (26:31):
I know more than you about this and things like that.
Go back to keeping up speakersagain.
Cee Cee (26:37):
Seriously.
Warren (26:39):
These people are in the HR world.
I don't follow anybody onYouTube anymore on HR related
because that just I think Istill think I have baked.
Hr Ladies, you haven't put avideo out in forever, oh yeah.
You haven't put a video out inforever.
Get another one out, but wehaven't.
You know I unsubscribe fromeverything because they were
(27:03):
garbage and a lot of.
You know touchy feely, do yourbest and oh, this is.
You know what you have to do,not your your advice.
Advice, it doesn't resonatewith so was.
Cee Cee (27:16):
Was the keynote speaker for this three letter company.
Was it someone well known orwas it just like?
Warren (27:25):
okay, okay, I'd never heard she.
You know it, never.
And that's one thing you know,every I've been going to this
for online.
They do it once or twice a yearand the first thing I do is I
look at the list of presenters.
There's only one name Irecognize and I was like, eh, I
can take it or leave it.
And then I a list of presentersand then I say, okay, I could
(27:46):
take it or leave it.
But you know, people I reallylike and enjoy have been
presenters.
Kate Bischoff has been one oftheir presenters before.
John Hyman has David Miklas, Ithink.
A lot of people that I do enjoyfollowing.
And you know, if I see KateBischoff or John Hyman as a
presenter in a seminar, I'mprobably going to attend their
(28:08):
session, their little breakoutsession, because I know what I'm
getting, yeah, and I'm going toenjoy it.
And they don't pander to theiraudiences but this whole thing.
Anyways, but squirrel brain allday today it's the snow, it's
the snow, it's the snow.
Where I was going, did you seethe instance of the Philadelphia
(28:30):
Eagles fan and the Green BayPacker fan their interaction no,
so I read it.
Cee Cee (28:37):
I didn't see the interaction, though, like I got
the gist of it, but I didn'thear.
Warren (28:42):
Video myself, okay but there's been so much written
about it and okay, philadelphiais well known for having some of
the rowdiest, toughest, meanestfans around.
Cee Cee (28:56):
Yeah, don't they have a jail in the stadium for that.
Warren (29:00):
I understand they're old , Maybe I don't know if the new
one does, but the old stadiumdid indeed have.
I saw something online that itdid have a jail in the old
stadium.
I don't know if the new stadiumhas that or not.
I would guess it would becauseit's a bigger stadium.
They're going to have moreproblems with it.
But on video this guy is caughtdropping the C word onto this
(29:25):
Green Bay Packer female fan, Seeand classy, and on top of it he
works for a DEI firm.
That was his job.
Cee Cee (29:38):
Get out of here.
Warren (29:40):
No.
Cee Cee (29:41):
The irony.
Warren (29:42):
He worked for.
Cee Cee (29:46):
He got one job, dude.
Warren (29:50):
And yeah, and you're in.
Well, get this.
And I think this came from johnhyman or eric marr, I don't
remember.
I want to give credit, but Idon't remember who exactly said
it.
The man issued an apology andin his apology it was taken out
context.
How do you take calling someonea cunt out of context?
(30:12):
I don't think there's a way toput that in context in any way.
And also, in his quote-unquoteapology, he says that he was
provoked and, like you know,you're this big dude, macho dude
, you're going to let this ladyprovoke you into this.
(30:34):
I just yeah, there were so manythings wrong.
Actually, see, if I can, that'shilarious.
But yeah, I wish I could givecredit to.
It's one of the dailynewsletters I subscribe to and
it was either John Hyman or EricMeyer.
So I'm sorry, whoever, whoeverit is, but not giving proper
(30:55):
credit, but yeah it why?
Cee Cee (30:59):
why do people uh like and I'm okay, I'm honestly with
this like I know some people arevery upset with like, oh, you
shouldn't get people fired.
But I know, because if that'show you behave outside, then
that's how you behave inside theoffice.
And you know what?
I'm okay with a little publichumiliation.
If you're going to behave likean idiot, you get to.
Warren (31:20):
You got to be yeah, to be publicly scorned yeah, and
now that you know, his chancesof getting another job are like.
I forget his name, but it's outthere and all they have to do
is google his name and you cansay what he did and what he's
famous for now and he's gonnahe's gonna have some back office
(31:43):
there's anything wrong, buthe's not to be forward-facing
anywhere for the next many yearswhen he's going to have Klein
in our church, hell or the?
Dude who at the football game?
Yeah, yeah, no.
Cee Cee (31:56):
He'll be fine.
He'll find something, just notin DEI, he'll be fine.
Warren (32:01):
What's the opposite of DEI?
Cee Cee (32:03):
Oh, my God.
Warren (32:04):
Yeah, I just thought that was crazy, that he, you
know, but it's social media andyou know, going back, I have
freedom of speech, you havefreedom of speech, but you don't
have also, you don't havefreedom of consequences for your
speech.
So if you're out there andyou're saying this, and it's not
against the government, so youcan't even claim that.
(32:26):
I'm glad that important borderdropped him like a bad habit.
Cee Cee (32:33):
There was one recently another story where this woman
was just doing a TikTok and shewas just like blah, blah, blah,
like I don't know.
She was mixing, making somefood and talking like through a
tutorial and she dropped theN-word a few times.
Oh, and she's a white woman andshe just like dropped the
(32:54):
N-word a couple times and Ithink people were just like,
excuse me, like what?
And the company that she workedfor is owned by a black woman
and she got fired real fast,like real fast well, I thought
(33:15):
you were going to go this one.
Warren (33:16):
This came out just the other day.
A flight attendant for alaskaairlines was fired for filming a
dance in her Airways uniformher Alaska Airways uniform and
her response was what's wrongwith a little twerk before work?
I pulled up the article rightnow A poet, you can do all the
(33:39):
twerking before work you want todo.
Maybe not do it in your uniform.
Yeah, and here's the firstcomment on this article.
I found You're in uniform, andthen they said A you're in
uniform.
B a GoFundMe.
Seriously, and apparently Ihaven't read this version of the
article.
Oh yeah, she started a GoFundMewhere, as of January 19th,
(34:00):
she's raised $2,600.
And her response was what'swrong with a little work, a
twerk before work?
She continued the captionpeople act like they never did
that before.
And then the hashtags fyp,flight attendant life
discrimination is realdiscrimination okay, but okay, I
(34:20):
have quite.
Cee Cee (34:21):
I have follow-up questions because I've seen
other airlines and other peoplepost their quirky videos.
They'll go viral and there's nolike, whatever.
So my question is what was thenature of the dancing and was
like provocative, was it like?
(34:42):
I don't know.
I have quite I need tounderstand why Alaskan Airlines
decided to fire this employeewhen it seems like other
employees of other airlines cando things in their uniform that
are fun and quirky.
Warren (34:55):
Okay, I just tried to click the link to the video
which I have not seen before.
Cee Cee (34:59):
I know Now.
Warren (35:00):
I'm warning this post may not be comfortable for some
audiences.
Andrew Quilpa (35:04):
You must log in.
Warren (35:06):
So apparently maybe it's a little inappropriate.
I don't have a TikTok accountavailable on my computer to
check it out, but Google twerkbefore work.
I'm sure you can find it andsee what the nature of that
video is.
So boy.
Cee Cee (35:25):
I'm like now I got a.
This is live.
This is this right, here islive, live research.
I don't know.
I see that's working, I see thebeauty shaking.
I don't think it's a fireableoffense, I'm just gonna say it.
I don't know if I would havefired her.
Warren (35:44):
Yeah so I I don't know well, whatever, I'm just going
to say it.
I don't know if I would havefired her.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Well, whatever, I'm not goingto.
Okay, this is, as I haven'tseen the video once again On
November 17th, the then flightattendant posted a TikTok, a
video to TikTok, in which shedanced and, in her own words,
twerked in the aisles of anempty airplane.
(36:04):
Her own words twerked in theaisles of an empty airplane and
she used I'll quoting her hereplease, people, ghetto, bit till
I die, don't let the uniformfool you is what you're saying.
So yeah, the caption yeah, somaybe the verbiage, but anyways
yeah I don't know.
Cee Cee (36:22):
This is why I don't do real HR.
This is why I'm in talentmanagement.
Warren (36:30):
Oh no, Talent management is real HR, but anyways.
Cee Cee (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm just, I don't doemployee relations or anything
like that.
Warren (36:39):
You know, I just also got to think have fun, do what
you want to do on.
I mean, I'm sure Alaskaairlines probably got dozens of
uh only plans people on their intheir roster but they're not
doing their stuff in their.
This is their uniform, thingslike that.
Cee Cee (36:55):
Yeah, you never know what people are even hey, even
hooters has very strong rulesabout their uniform oh gosh, too
many jokes.
Get me canceled quickly no,like, apparently it's a real
thing, like if you work athooters, you are not allowed to
wear your uniform outside ofwork and if you are photographed
(37:18):
wearing your uniform outside ofwork, you will be terminated
yeah, okay, well, I, I I can seethe logic behind that.
Warren (37:27):
If you're you know you could be representing the
company in your social mediainappropriate.
I mean, you know Hooters usedto be so provocative and now
it's tame, you know.
Cee Cee (37:42):
Yeah.
Warren (37:44):
Yeah.
Cee Cee (37:44):
I'm a sucker for some good wings.
I'm sorry'm sorry like I'm notbeing a very good feminist, but
I really like wings have youever done a birthday party there
into a birthday party?
Warren (37:56):
no some things they do I know, I know hot dogs and I was
just watching.
I wasn't part of this birthdayparty, but I was just there
eating some wings, watchingfootball and watching someone
else do this thing.
Cee Cee (38:10):
So anyways, I got to be honest.
For a while I was veryintrigued with the whole Hooters
employment stuff because theydo so many practices, because I
know a few women who have workedin Hooters their past life.
But they do weigh-ins, they dothis, they do that and I'm like,
how do they get away with that?
(38:31):
And interesting fact, and I'mnot sure if it's still true
today, but apparently at onepoint they hired entertainer.
Like they're classified asentertainers, not servers, so
that's how they can get awaywith like doing weigh-ins and
like making sure you're not likeit's so.
(38:51):
Oh, like it's a, it was a, I'veheard it's a very toxic
environment I, I can onlyimagine you know anyways.
Warren (39:02):
But yeah, yes, social media is the devil and people
who I enjoy social media to acertain degree.
I'm trying to wean myself.
Like I said earlier, I'm doingmuch better.
I'm spending so much less timeon Facebook, I'm spending a wee
bit more time on Instagram, buta wee bit more than what I was
is not much, and I'm trying toslowly wean myself off of it.
(39:23):
So I think that will, unlessyou have anything else you want
to cover today.
Cee Cee (39:32):
No, honestly, I don't know if I mentioned this before,
but I don't think I did so.
Last week we everyone in thefamily got COVID.
So it started with my mom, whothen, like, gave it to my dad
and their child care.
So then we went one weekwithout child care and then,
(39:53):
right when they were starting tofeel better, I got the COVID
and Kevin got it.
And then, luckily, the baby didnot get it.
Baby, and if she was, she wasasymptomatic, but nope, she was
asymptomatic but nope, she wasjust nope.
Knock on wood.
I don't know how we got out, Idon't know how we survived
(40:17):
without her getting sick, butyeah, so I am just kind of in a
space of I'm feeling better andI'm trying to catch up on work
that I missed and I survived.
That's where I'm trying tocatch up on work that I missed
and I survived.
Warren (40:28):
That's where I'm at Knock on wood.
I haven't had COVID since Idon't know in a few.
I had it one time and it wasmoderately mild case of it, but
I do.
I'm still getting my COVID shot.
You know, I just told my doctorwhen I went at the end of
December.
I said look, if you recommendit I'll do it, Otherwise I don't
(40:51):
care one way or the other.
And she recommended it, so Igot it.
And what happens?
Every time I get COVID shot?
I burn a fever for like twodays.
Oh yeah, I feel like crap and Istill haven't fully recovered
from it.
I still get you know, a littleis I just feel like crap for a
couple of days and then like Ijust had some lingering
congestion and stuff, but yeahso oh no, I got it and I got
(41:14):
knocked on my ass.
Cee Cee (41:16):
Oh every, every single symptom you could have gotten.
I gotten especially everythingdown to, like the nose and this
taste, and oh my God it was.
It was 48 hours of just deathand then I rebounded pretty fast
.
Warren (41:31):
But yeah, okay, but we got it.
Oh Sorry, sorry to hear that.
Well, you should be good for acouple years before you get it
again, right?
Cee Cee (41:44):
I get it every year, Warren.
Oh, really, I have get it everyyear warren oh really, I have
gotten it every year since 2022.
Like, okay, yeah, this is every.
At every time I get all of thesymptoms, it's just me.
I'm like I don't know what itis about me oh.
Covid loves me, I must be areally good host.
Warren (42:08):
Like, oh, yeah, I feel for you.
Like I said the first time, theonly time I had it it was a
couple days not feeling so, likeI said, it was rather mild.
I know people have just beenhorrible with it.
I was like really like a scalea sore throat, like on the like,
(42:28):
a strep throat, sore throat,head congestion and headaches.
I didn't have any nausea, um,and I didn't lose my taste at
all, but yeah, I was.
That's why I had this like astrep throat, sore throat, oh,
and then you're coughing.
All the time I was coughing somuch my abs were sore for like
two weeks like been doinghundreds of sit-ups a day and
(42:50):
looking at me, you know Ihaven't done a hundred sit-ups
in my life combined, but my absfelt like it from all the
coughing.
Oh gosh.
Cee Cee (42:59):
Wonderful If that was a side effect.
Like, yeah, you're going tocough your brains out, but by
the end of this you're going tohave like a six pack and you're
going to look so good.
Warren (43:08):
I felt like I should have all that.
Yeah, yeah, that was.
That was so well.
We'll lay in this wonderful funplane on some COVID.
And I want to thank our Patreonsupporters Hallie, the original
Jaded HR rock star, bill andMichael.
Check us out on Patreon.
You can find all the links inthe show notes.
(43:30):
Let's see here the voice artistat the beginning is Andrew
Kolpa and the intro and outromusic is Devil to Devil, the
song by the UnderschoolOrchestra.
I think I'd get it right by now, after saying it for almost
five years and with all that funstuff said as always, I'm
Warren, I'm Cece and we're herehelping you survive HR.
(43:53):
One what-the-fuck moment at atime.
Thank you.
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