August 9, 2025 • 59 mins
On the first volume of the Demon pod, the Jare/ads will discuss The Devil. Christopher Marlowe. Environmentalism. The Global Demonic. Inner-Demons, The Demonic Aesthetic, and much, much more. Let's pray.
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You have Satan's house and everything.
You're Satan. You say you say he goes.
If you if you do an undergraduate degree in biology,
you become an atheist. For all American Pope Leo back
in the palace, baby in. America, get it back in there
all right. If you do a PhD graduate degree
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in biology, you start to see Godeverywhere.
Oh my God. Good evening, my name is Atari.
Welcome to Jared To Jared on thefirst volume of The Demon Port.
The Jareds will discuss the devil, Christopher Marlow, the
global demonic environmentalism,the demonic aesthetic, and much,
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much more. Let's pray.
You know many pathos is pity to something.
We need to draw the the magiciancircle around us to keep to keep
the demons out as we as we approach this.
Topic I got some ketchup. There's some salt.
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Over our shoulders. That made me think of like
Tenacious D the movie The Pick of Destiny, where they make the
pentagram out of catch up, but they're like channel the demon
gods for metal music. You know the power of metal.
That's cool, I like. That and it's weird how it can
also be something that's viewed as a positive, right?
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Yeah, giving you sort of the theconfidence to break free from
traditions, break free from domesticity, from following the
normal path, the peaceful path, right, sort of becoming this
hamlet esque haunted individual,right or or channeling Dio.
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RIP Ozzy Osbourne just died. Freaking went to so many Oz
fests. The power of like the demon
genre, right? The Demon Realm.
Well, the word demon comes from the word daemon DAEMON.
Art Back to the Golden Compass. Yeah, so this is what's the
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Golden Compass? Philip Pullman, you haven't read
those. It's the daemon ancient Greek
word and it pretty much just meant energy is moving through
you, right. So if you're on the battlefield,
you would call upon a Damon likethe war Damon to to enter your
spirit and you know, going to battle or Eudaemon, Eudaemon.
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EUDAEMON means happiness becauseEU was like like you like
euphoria, euthanasia, you know, all these EU meant, you know,
euphoria, kind of feeling happiness.
That sort of thing meant the energy of happiness moving
through you. So as far as I know that word
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comes from Damon and and or racially meant just energies
moving through you. Yeah, I like that a lot.
Well, in this series, the dark can't remember what the Philip
Pullman chronicles are, the darkmatter or something like that.
Yeah, I'll look it up. But Charles looked that up.
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But all the characters within this series, Golden Compass is
the most famous one. They have a daemon that
accompanies with them. Cool.
OK, Yeah. And all of them are are viewed
are animals, different animals. So the main guy has a tiger, you
know, one of them has like a little weasel.
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And stuff like that, right? So we all have our daemons, you
know, a bird and a great owl, whatever.
But when they get hurt, we get hurt.
If they die, we die inside, right?
Our soul gets lost, you know? Yeah.
And there's this new sort of monotheistic religion that is
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trying to kill all the demons and control, you know, the
people and, and inhibit growth and expansion.
Kill the animal spirit exactly right, right, right.
Wow, that's beautiful. So where do we start?
Right, right. Where do we start?
Demon Pod? Demon Pod D Monopod 2025 Where
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do we start? I mean, there's no reason.
Do we start with that? Do we?
Do we just jump? Into that we've hit this we've
hit this before. OK so just quickly let's quickly
touch on it. I don't think we need to spend
too much time on reality objective reality of such.
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But we have recently had friendsthat claim to have objective
encounters with with the 4th kind with the demon kind.
You know has any of these thingshappened to me and you a couple
of Jesus, you know stories. Oh, do you?
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Yeah. OK.
OK. Yeah, OK.
I don't want to tell the whole story.
But I want the whole thing. On accident.
Oh my God, now you're just. I'm just going to leave it here
on accident in 20. Oh, wait.
I definitely shared this one actually because we made a joke
how I I'd started the the pandemic or something because I
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accidentally, I think it was late 2019, late 2019, I
accidentally invited a demon into into my apartment.
Sure, sure. And.
What was his name? Didn't tell me his name.
If I knew his name, I'd probablyhave had power over him.
That's supposed to see. That's why I didn't run it in
and I didn't know what the time to ask.
So felt like I invited a demon in an accident.
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And then in my life, just horrible, horrible, horrible,
crazy stuff started happening. And then the pandemic happened.
So I think, I think I started the pandemic.
Right, right. Sorry guys.
How was the channeling done? Pandemic pandemonium, right?
Does pandemic come from the worddemon?
Sure, their root connection there.
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Definitely the concept of pandemics would be evil or
demonic. Right.
Well, the pandemonium that comesfrom John Milton's Paradise Lost
and the pandemonium was the the,the city of the demons, right?
The tower that all the demons lived in Pandemonium.
So it's not in in Milton. It's an actual place.
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Now it's used as chaos but pandemonium, pandemic and then
pan meaning all. Right, Right.
You know, there's, there's certainly some crazy stories of
Buddhist demons, right? Yeah.
Totally. Eastern.
Oh yeah, the Eastern demon. The Eastern demons.
Return of the Dragon. Bruce Lee fighting his demons.
You know the dream world. Have you seen a demon?
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Never. You saw a coyote demon once?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I I did see the demon coyote.
Yeah, the demon coyote. I took some, ate some pretty bad
porcini mushrooms, too many of them by myself.
And it was just weird. I could, like, hear water, like,
splashing in my head. And then I went outside at some
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point during the middle of the night smoking a cig, and I
heard, like, a dog. And I look to my left, freaked
out. And it was a demon coyote.
Like, crazy. Like, red eyes, freaking pointy
ears. Yeah.
It wasn't real. And I was like, God, maybe I was
just tripping. Fuck.
Well, there's that to you. And then I ran inside.
I was like, oh, my God. Demon coyote.
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Yeah. And then that morning at to like
teach myself how to talk again. And you know, what helped,
though, is I lived by the cross,the cross of the martyrs here in
Santa Fe, NM. So I walked to the cross and I
saw what's the. Sunrise white cross, the big
white. Cross.
Yeah, you should take a walk up there.
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It's. A beautiful there.
It's beautiful. Saw the sunrise and that like
healed me from the oh, that's aninteresting concept.
OK, let's think of demons as a sort of a genre, right?
Vampires, Sure. Garlic freaking, you know.
Yeah. Sunlight, what have you.
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Right. So Catholicism has sort of been
an authority on the demon sort of thing.
Yeah. But exorcism, Christianity isn't
as old as a lot of Eastern religions as well.
So they took from those old stories as well.
Yeah. But now what do we have now is
we have a character with genre expectations, right?
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The sun They don't like the sun they can.
Yeah, demons don't like the sun.They don't.
Like the sun, they don't like the creatures generally they
don't like, you know, church, holy water, things like this,
right? I don't know.
Can you think of some the genre of the demon?
Yeah, yeah, so, well, there's also the expulsion of the demon.
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Right. That's part of the job, right?
Too right? Because you invite the demon in
and there's always an invitation, right?
You know, it's kind of rare thatthat the demon just comes upon
you. I mean, something that that that
can be there too. You know, it's like a
poltergeist or something. You move, you unknowingly move
into the house that right already has a demon, but you're
moving into the demon space, right?
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So you're either moving into thedemonic space or the demon, or
you're inviting the demon into your space.
You know, it's like the vampire.Can't cross cross the.
Threshold of your house. I just want sinners.
That was a big thing, yeah. So which is funny because you
think of even like Internet, Internet viruses and and hackers
and stuff like that where you actually have to invite them in.
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You know, you get those texts that are like you're, you know,
sending to old people, like yourgrandson is in jail.
And if you have to click this link together, you know, just
like whatever it is, it's like, oh, you too, you have to click
the link, you have to respond, you have to go into.
Because if you don't, if you just say no hard boundary, the
demon can't pass that boundary. No.
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Right, right, right. Boom.
Done. Yeah, so there's the invitation
of the demon and then the. Expulsion.
Of the demon. Just like you said, you gotta
know the name. That's another genre as the
expectation. If you know the name, then you
have power over the character, right?
Yeah. Yeah, so the story that that a
friend recently shared, she saidshe moved into a new apartment,
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had a weird so she was moving into the demonic space, had a
weird vibe in the apartment goesand then and then like a psychic
tarot card lady or something told her like, yeah, there's
definitely a darkness in that apartment.
And apartments are fucking weird.
We could get into like especially in a place like New
Mexico, old ass buildings, old apartments, you don't know what
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kind of, you know, what kind of stuff has gone on in there,
right. So she she was in LA, but you
move, she moved into this place.Dark energy psychic says get
some sage, do these, say some prayers and you know, clear it
out, clear out the space. My friend doesn't do that, goes
to sleep and has a dream that she's having sex with a demon.
Right, right, right, right. And then she said she's never
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been one for like, depression or, you know, doesn't have too
much darkness in her, you know, pretty, pretty like chill person
like person. And then she said her life got
terrible. She's depressed all the time.
She's dark, She's Moody, you know, lashing out at people, all
this stuff. And then some people in her life
were just like, are you OK? Like, what is going on, You
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know? And she said now when she looks
back at pictures of herself fromthat period, she was like,
there's this heaviness that she'd never had, you know?
So then she goes back to the sidekick, and the sidekick's
like, yeah, you have a demon on you and you need to go back and
do the sage it out and prayers and whatever else.
So she does that and then I guess successfully expulsed a
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demon and. She was lashing out at her
boyfriend and everything was lashing out, Yeah.
Exorcist. Style So demons also have like
Tourette's syndrome too. That's part of the.
That's part of those, the. Yeah, so, but, but then of
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course, you know, if you step back from religion, if you step
back from imagination, the things that we own, imagine, if
you go into the realm of the power of persuasion, then you
can kind of discount every single demon story anyone has
ever told me. Oh, interesting Or instance like
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the skeptic stance? Like, play devil's advocate, but
yeah, no pun intended. If the if she would have never
went to a psychic, psychic wouldhave never have told her that
she would have never had nightmares and would have never
have had to go get Sage. And then right after that she
completed the story of the psychic's persuasion and then
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she could go back to normal where it is.
If she just went to Starbucks that day, that would have never
happened. Can however, can you account for
her because she went to the psychic because she felt like
there was a weird energy in the apartment?
I felt like she had something I'd like.
To know how the right right the origins of yeah because we don't
know them we. Don't know.
So who knows, maybe she's got into a fight with her boyfriend.
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And then all of a sudden her weird.
Friend is depressed and then she's like feeling weird vibes
and moves into this new place. And then goes, he's a psychic.
Who knows. Yeah.
Or maybe it was just genuinely weird vibes.
Like, I saw that documentary, 11Minutes, which is about the
shooting at the Mandalay Bay at that concert, Biggest mass
shooting, you know, ever. Well, the FBI officer went in
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after he killed himself and, youknow, he shot the windows out.
So there's wind blowing up, you know, a 32nd floor or whatever,
and it was filled with gunpowdergun smoke from the guns going
off. So he said it was the most
eeriest. Of course, of course.
Creepiest evil like spirit in that room he had ever.
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Felt I'm sure dude, demonic. Yeah, but what it?
But then that's the language, that's the word wordage we use
for something bad that has happened.
Yeah. Is it necessarily something
otherworldly, right? Or is it just a verbiage to
explain a mass Mer character to explain, you know, perversions
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all the stuff? Right.
Well, there is a level of rot indeath, right?
Because there's demon associations, because you don't
associate the demon with love and like hugging a tree in
nature or something. And you just went on a beautiful
hike with your best friends and you're feeling really good about
it. That's not demonic, Yeah.
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That's not demonic. Demonic.
That's all enlivening and invigorating.
Demonic is all associations again, genre associations with
with death, with rot, with pain,with destruction, chaos, right.
It's not, you know, it's like, you know, when you see, you
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know, pandemonium. I mean, yeah, you're describing
the pandemonium. I mean, if and if you enter into
the pandemonium and like, let's say you have this tower of
freaking like 32 floors or something, you know, and you go
into the tower and each floor has some other demonic thing
going on. And then there's all like
smaller rooms within each floor and you can get lost in it.
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Forever, right? One room would be a mass
shooting, you know, Sure, if youwere hanging, if you were
exploring the pandemonium. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's literally would be the definition of going back to sort
of, you know, the the origins. Yeah, That being said, it's kind
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of cool to see the demon as historical, too.
It's one of the first figures toshow up in literature, right?
Grendel, Beowulf, you know, old,old Hindu texts, mysticism, you
know, the demon gods. This.
And that Gilgamesh, which is, I think one of, if not the most
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ancient texts that we have, it'sit's 5000 years old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Epic of Gilgamesh, it's
about this hero. And there's a great flood.
Sounds familiar, you know, all this kind of stuff.
And he's and he's facing and conquering demons, sometimes
conquered by demons and then andthen successfully flees them or
whatever. So I mean, yeah, you're right.
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This is something that is very central to the human experience.
Right and you're making me thinknow too, to our coffee
conversation in the kitchen. What are categories of demons,
right. So of course there's like pay
lay pay May and. Payment.
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Yeah, yeah, payment. Payment.
Payment. Yeah.
And hereditary, right. There's that form, right?
You know, Reagan and the exorcist, whatever.
Yeah. But then there's also inner
demons, right? Yeah.
This is sort of an inter, you know, play.
You can, you can mess around with this.
So what, how do we view the demonic or the inner demons?
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What are they? What are they associations with,
you know, one inner demon that one of the most common uses of
it is like overcoming like a physical like ineptitude or, or,
or laziness, right? Being able to like, become an
athlete, conquering your, conquer your inner demons, Nike,
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fucking just do it, you know? And it seems to me I thought
this during Nesferatu, the new one.
Nice. Yeah.
Where if you conquer your inner demons, you can successfully
face the outer demons, right? Right.
Because there's this scene whereWillem Dafoe's character and
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he's like the the magician. The the.
The exorcist, The Alchemist, that was it.
Thank you. He's The Alchemist, which means
by definition that he has conquered the inner demons.
He is, he has cleared his shit out.
He is the the ascended master, you know what I mean?
And then they call upon him and then he's able to go in there
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and without fear, you know, holdup the cross, you know,
whatever, do what he has to do. And you can see that when what's
her face? Lily Rose Depp is, you know,
freaking out, squirming on the bed.
Everyone's all scared, you know.But then Willem Dafoe, The
Alchemist is able to sit with that and be like, it's just,
it's just, it's a mask, it's fireworks.
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It's just, it's the demon putting on a show.
It's right. And he's not scared about it cuz
he's, he's seen it, he's been through it, he's conquered it
within himself. That's like, what's there to
fear? Right, right, right.
Yeah, that's just the expositionof the inner demon.
When? Yeah, cuz.
Demons also do a lot of there's a big, big, big facade to the
demon, kind of a Wizard of Oz quality where it's these scary
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giant things going on. But then if you actually look at
it, it's like this tiny little mouse or this wounded part of
you that's upset or something. Like that, right?
Right when you clear away the facade.
The inner demons. Yeah, at least for the inner
ones. Right, right.
Man, for some reason I was thinking of that movie The Sal
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with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Lopez in the 90s.
Sounds like a funny cat. We should do that one for the
pot. It's honestly like Revered is
one of the like freakiest thriller scary movies ever made.
But she goes into the mind of a serial killer like literally
like a machine allows her to go in.
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That sounds like pandemic. And she's a detective, and she
wants to see if she could find out where the bodies are buried.
Oh, that's cool. That's a cool premise.
But she goes in and what she finds is his trauma.
Oh that father beating him and shit.
Totally. You.
Know hiring scene and like you know just and it's super freaky
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and demonic right right oh that OK kind of shift the gears but
there's like a scene too where he's very like royal and
regalious right yeah think of Satan to his jewels they talk
about all the jewels every stoneof earth he was decorated the
most beautiful Angel before he became the demon.
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Right, right, right. What is it about the aesthetic,
too? It can be like this, very
glorious, you know, fucking enchanting, sort of Gothic,
sublime image where it's like you're afraid it's so
overwhelming, you know, or on the other spectrum, the demon
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can also be very disgusting, youknow, grotesque, poor, ragged.
Interesting, interesting. So that brings to mind.
Well, actually, before I say that one, the Luciferian
complex, you know, that that whole thing like just the the
Lucifer's dynamic is incredible.I mean, it's there's such a
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poetry to it and really wisdom in it where you're right, I mean
the most beautiful right Angel up there, right, who gets who
his sin was pride. You know, one of the seven
deadly sins, Rich Dante and his Inferno says pride is the
central deadly sin because everyother sin comes from pride.
And to put that in Eastern termsor, or 21st century New Age
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terms like the ego, you know, it's like that, that
overinflated sense of self that's, you know, that's pride.
So you have Lucifer's the most beautiful Angel.
He's brilliant, you know, like quite literally brilliant in the
sense of like shining, yes, glorious, you know, brilliance.
And then says, wait a second, look how great I am.
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How come I'm not, I'm not a ruler, right?
Right. And then boom, falls right?
And then, you know, goes. To before the fall.
Exactly. Exactly.
And then falls and becomes the demon.
So there's this very extreme experience of being the
brightest of the bright and thenbecoming the darkest of the
dark. It's yes, I mean, it's really,
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it's, it's bipolar. It's, it's right, you know,
something incredible about Lucifer.
And that's sort of what we're served up with the in the Bible
too, right? Because Jesus is sandals, no
wealth, you know, wears the samerope, sort of sleeps on a stone,
you know, just like a man of theearth, you know, And then on
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that flip side, we have Satan, Lucifer, who has brilliance, you
know, rich. Wow, right.
Beautiful, beautiful magnificence.
You know, so compelling. And the evil, you know, evil as
opposed to the light and that's the other cool thing, Grad, you
bought up Dante too. Yes.
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At the end of the day, whether it's something that's outside or
inside of ourselves, right. I think the the, the, the core
fundamental of the demon. Yeah, demonic, evil, all this
stuff is a way to understand andand to sort of inculcate within
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ourselves what we don't want to be either a on a personal level
interpersonal relationships, whether that be with a partner,
whatever. And we think of it like
disgusting sexuality. Most demons you know, just.
Like there is a sexuality to thehuman.
Yeah, yeah. And like keeping healthy, those
sort of healthy habits, because then what does the light
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represent? A healthy existence for the
species? It's sort of like this
anthropological pool to stray away from demonic quote UN
quote, or just unhealthy ways oflife, relationships, places we
live, all this different stuff, right and try to get.
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That's why the global demon, theglobal evil, which we were
talking about earlier, sort of lead poisoning, the Lucifer
curves with that book in the 80sI was telling you about, you
know, teen pregnancies, murders,freaking serial killers.
Everything rises with lead, drops off a Cliff after that,
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you name it oil and in the ocean, scraping the oceans you
know of. Course greed which creates like
ranked. Down below, the first reformed
episode, you know Ethan Hawks onthe cover.
Click it. But we get these fucking demonic
players, right? Like Bezos, like freaking
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Zuckerberg, like all these mega billion trillionaire
billionaires, you know, they don't give a fuck.
There's this weird blindness to them.
Yeah. And we're talking about that one
company that just leaded gasoline in general.
All the gas companies, They killed millions, ruined a whole
generation. That's making baby boomers.
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That's demonic on a global scale.
And if we're talking about like personal demons in a
relationship, demons, well, now we're back to the village,
right? The village wants the demonic
out out of it, right? Doesn't want the demon because
what happens is it spreads throughout the entire village.
Freaking billions of human beings can get affected.
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Well, it's contagious by. One God damn person.
Yeah, yeah. And there's, there's small class
demons like you're saying, the personal ones.
If I have a demon in me, it's not going to do too much damage.
I mean, you know, it can be, I don't know, hurts me, you know,
I'm not feeling good about myself saying I'm not pleasant
to be around for other people orwhatever.
You know, we're at it's very worst.
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You know, maybe I like, I don't know.
And see, I can't even think of something that like, I'm not
going to murder anyone, you knowwhat I mean?
So it's like it's not going to be that bad, you know.
So there's small class demons atthe personal level or the local
level or, you know, you do have,you know, this dude who like
joins a gang and does kill a fewpeople.
It's like demonic at that level,really bad.
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But then you have global societal demonic like you're
saying it's CE OS, CE OS that are like indirectly murdering
millions of people or like the Hitler thing, you know, right,
right. So there's that, right.
But it always seems compelling and attractive, right, Because
you have like the Lucifer thing you have, it's attractive, you
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know, like, look, wealth, right?Like, OK, you take this business
that's going to like, I don't know, dump it's waste.
And you know, the local water source because it's convenient
and they're going to save a bunch of money and a bunch of
local people are going to get sick.
But they're just like, don't care.
I have so much money. I'm going to go.
Right, we're going to wear it towherever, you know, Yeah, we're
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going to make so lost money and get.
To have whatever we want and andfreaking go to Epstein Island
and crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.
So demonic, yes. And but then there's this like,
like we're going to wear whatever you want, be whoever
you want, adorn yourself howeveryou want.
There's this sense of power. My God, you become the.
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Lusarian Power. Yes, wow, yes.
Yeah, so it is attractive because what's more attractive?
Lucifer, who's adorned with all the jewels on Earth.
With a bunch of demonic followers.
There's a bunch of cool looking demonic followers.
Freaking all. Plan He has all power.
He offers Jesus all the power and.
Total tea now, Yeah. Or Christ, who's like, probably
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kind of awkward, you know, he's like this awkward Jew in the
desert. He doesn't have a little.
Bit autistic a. Little bit autistic kind of a
narrative brilliant yeah and you're like wait, which is more
attractive, right. It's like obviously Lucifer, but
then you know, Christ has something that goes beyond that.
And like there's ACS Lewis line love CS Lewis where he says
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there's two types of people in this world.
There are people that say to God, let thy will be done.
And then there are people who say to God, let my will be done.
And that's the. Luciferian complex.
That's the difference. Are you going to say to God you
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know your will, you know, and, and, and I'm going to be of
service to the world and all of that or my way.
Yes, good. One of the most iconic scenes in
like comic book movie lore in the in the film cinema
discussion is fucking Venom and like.
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Spider Man. Yeah, in the like mid 2000s
Venom freaking Red Foreman playshim, no.
Eric. Foreman, Eric.
Foreman. Yeah, he plays him and he goes
to church when he turns evil to pray and and prays so he can
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have the power to kill spider, which everybody's like, Jesus,
that's fucking brutal, you know,actually going to church to pray
for these things, you know, But if you think about it, that is
sort of the the, the version of hypocrisy within religion,
obviously, but also the reflection of oneself, man, if
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you're only pursuit, that's whatmakes even not being rich and
trying to be rich or acting likeyou are that much more even that
even worse. It's like, not only are you not
getting the rewards of being Satan, but you're giving up your
humanity to be Satan, you know? Yeah.
So it's a fucking double edged sword.
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You're fucking, you know, falling into right there.
It's what? So what the Yeah.
And it's just. But of course, on the other end,
I'm really liking this sort of aesthetic Satanus that we're
talking. About here, Yeah, yeah.
Because, man, that's such a reflection of our society.
Oh yeah, and the more money you have, just like Jesus said, the
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harder it will be for you to getinto God's Kingdom.
And what's God's Kingdom in the Galactic Empire?
The galacticism, we built our religion while it's finding sort
of this peace within life, you know, Yeah, being able to go
back into the stars, it's becomeStardust and find your way back
onto another planet better, you know, fucking the karma be
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reborn, you know. So that being said, you're never
gonna get there at fucking driving Ferraris and adorning
yourself and jewels. You're fucking being Satan.
You're dressing like Satan. You're dressing.
You're dressed. You're trying to be Satan.
You have Satan's house and everything.
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You're Satan. Yeah, You're Satan.
You're Satan. You're Satan.
Yeah, and that's what. Makes these mega churches such a
hypocritical slap in the face. I know.
It's all these. Churches, you know, they're rich
beyond measure. That's the great irony I love.
I love sharing this with people who don't care but like Saint
Francis. St.
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Francis on his dying fucking on his deathbed.
His dying wish was don't build any cathedrals for me.
Do not build any monuments. To me please, please.
Right. The first thing they do is like
draw up a fucking blueprint for a giant fucking cathedral the
moment he. Dies.
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You got it? Yeah.
And then look, we're, you know, we're in, we're in now he, which
is the city of Saint. Francis, we have the Saint.
Francis Cathedral here, right? Right, you know our most
important like Rd. is Saint Francis or fucking you know,
hospitals named. After right?
Exactly. Yeah, We live in the city of
Saint Francis. It's so weird.
Yeah, yeah, he would be pissed. He's rolling in his, you know,
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rolling in his cloud in heaven. Yeah.
He didn't want it, you know, kind of a correlative story.
But the last Pope that just died.
Yeah. Benedicto was it.
What was his name? Was it Francis?
Francis. Francis, OH.
My God, once Francis moved out of the Pope's like, palace, his
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like crazy apartment they have for him, you know?
Yeah. And he lived in some like, small
little fucking apartment at one of the churches and like, I
don't know where the fuck, but it was a humble abode, right?
Yeah. What was the 1st order of
business for all American Pope Leo?
Back in the palace, baby Hell. Yeah, America.
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Yeah. Get him back in there all right.
Oh. Man, so it's just funny.
And of course, but all the religions, Christian religions
use this to talk shit about the others, right?
Like the Witness, Jehovah Witnesses talk shit about
Catholics for sending around a contribution basket.
Meanwhile there say, well, we would never do that, but let's
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read a scripture about why it's good to give to the church.
And by the way, our contributionboxes in the back, you know,
wink wink, nudge, nudge, right, right, right.
And they're rich beyond measure.Mormons, too.
They do the same thing for to Jova witnesses.
And but, you know, we're round and round we go.
Well, that's a fun demon game iswhen the demons parade around in
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the garb of religion, right whenthe demon.
Jesus want, Jesus said no organized religions.
It's literally scriptural. Oh yeah, it's scriptural.
Yeah. The only way to God is through
him. Humble, personal, interpersonal.
Yes. What do we do?
Build mega churches. It's the inward search.
Yeah, Yeah. One thing I'm one gets this
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because I'm curious how much howmuch time do you have?
I got to leave at like 1255. Was it right?
Now we got it. Is 12/29.
OK, I'm going to bring this up because I'm curious about about
this one issue, actually one I just want to name drop Doctor
Faustus, the Christopher Marloweplay.
Did you ever read that one in college?
Yeah, I know which one. It's a.
Great fucking play. But that's where you get the
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archetype of selling your soul to the devil, you know, gaining
the world and losing your soul, that sort of thing.
Great play. Really, really fun play.
OK, I'm curious what you think about this.
So there's this therapeutic modality called internal family
systems or parts therapy is another phrase for it.
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And parts therapy is essentiallyjust finding these different
parts of yourself that have different needs and then are
sometimes in conflict and then bring conflict into your life,
you know, because you're experiencing internal conflict.
So maybe you have the inner child part that just wants to be
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held and loved and taken care of.
And then you have the part of you that, I don't know, has been
wounded and is really overly self protective and uses anger
to feel safe or what? Whatever it is, right?
You have these inner parts. So the guy who developed it,
who's a renowned psychologist, wrote a best selling book in the
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80s called No Bad Parts and likea clinical psychologist PhD,
like not like a woo woo new age guy, right, Right.
Which I bring that up for a reason because he, he gets
weird. Yeah.
And this is what I'm curious about.
So so he comes up with this whole, the whole therapeutic
thing. It's hugely successful.
He's working with serial killerswho are in prison, with child
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pedophiles in prison and all this shit.
And like kind of like that movie, Jennifer Aniston or
whatever, Jennifer Lopez, whoever it was going into the
mind of the serial killer and finding out, oh, shit, there's
deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, horrifically,
demonically injured parts of yourself.
And that's why you're behaving in such this way.
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And then essentially is helping fucking serial killers and
pedophiles heal the parts of themselves that want to kill and
rape. It's it's like crazy, like
really intense stuff. This guy has done incredible
work. So he says all of these parts.
Sometimes they're not rational. You know, you have the inner
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wounded child who like wants to be held and, and, and taking
care of your entire life. But then that manifests as an
adult. You're not taking care of
yourself. You're bumming money from people
all the time, stuff like that. So he goes it.
It ultimately isn't serving you,but there's a logic to the sense
in that it's trying to help you,just in a maladaptive way.
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Right, right. Or someone with anger issues.
You're you're lashing out all the time because you're angry
and that's having a bad impact on your life and the people
around you. But really it's just trying to
give you a sense of safety and okayness.
Yeah, you know that No one's gonna fuck with me cuz I'm so
angry. You know whatever, right?
Right, right. So it goes.
There's a logic to it. The parts are always trying to
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to serve you and help you even in, even if it's maladaptive.
Right defense mechanism. Yeah.
So this is where it gets weird because after doing this work
for like 25 years and he's always like, yeah, it's just
part, it's internal. It's it's psychological.
It's just, it's just parts of yourself.
There's no, there's no demons. There's no outside things that
are trying to like control you. He's like, no, this is even at
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the level of the serial killer. This is just wounded parts of
you that are trying to sustain you in the world, you know.
OK. And then decades later, he goes,
well, I actually started to realize that there are external
mechanisms, right? Right.
Right. And and it's like, and when
asked like what you know, what are you talking about?
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He's like, well, I do think there are like he in the I heard
him on an interview and he goes,he goes, I don't want to scare
people, but he goes, I'm pretty sure that there are like shadow
creatures that can, that can take you over.
And it was like, and, and again,this guy was like clinical
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scientific. He's not like a woo woo guy.
He's not like a psychedelic guy,Whatever.
Later he becomes that. But like anyway, that there are
these external shadow creatures that can come into you to demons
exorcisms. He's, he's talking about
inviting the demon in and, and exploding the demon out.
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And it was weird. It was like really fucking weird
because he goes beyond psychology into this weird
spiritual realm. So what do you think about?
And he's claiming that in his therapy sessions working with
clients that he's actually seen like, oh, this is not like a the
inner child trying to protect them.
This is like a fucking demon that we need to get out.
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Right. So one, I know you, I don't
think you're familiar with this guy's work, but one, does this
sound like someone who just likedrank too much of their own
kool-aid and kind of lost their mind?
Is there some kind of, I don't know, is validity to that?
Do you think that we can take onthis like external objective
evil force that that enters us? Or is it all just psychological
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internal? You know what?
What do you think? Right.
So first comment I wanted to make, just back to Marlow real
quick. One of my favorite plays ever is
the The Jew of Malta, which he wrote.
Oh, I haven't read that one. Or and that one crescendos with
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them being like boiled in a pot,which is sort of like, my God,
you know, reflected back to the genre thing of the witches, the
pot, the studio. And but it's really a commentary
on religion, on greed. There's like a lot of
Catholicism, Jewishness, you know, hatred between each other
and all that stuff, you know? Anyways, Marlow genius yeah that
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being said, this work is interesting.
OK 2 examples right? Cuz 3 examples.
So 1 watch a lot of Y files. So a lot of things that are out
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there, including in the CIA documents which they've released
to the public. There's things like remote
viewing and shit that cannot be explained.
Yeah, they but they're literallyit's there.
It's like proof in the pudding. It's happened like they're they
even had they spent millions of dollars in like studies and and
telepathy and shit like, like it's actually there.
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Second example example. Remember I was telling you about
that psychologist book I read who studied people who got
abducted or that he there they were his client, his clients,
you know, he was a therapist andfor, you know, decades he only
worked with individuals who got said they were abducted by
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aliens. Oh I would love.
That yeah, it sounds so much fun.
I'll. Find it.
It's been a while, but anyways, fucking incredible.
Like findings, you know, Yeah. And most of the time, the
stories could always, like, not the, you know, X amount of
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percentage of the time the stories could be validated or
disproven via, like, trauma. Yeah.
They're really just like, you know, getting abused by a
parent, just like, you know, things like that.
That link to that had similar links, You know, a lot of them
whose stories were pretty bizarre and outrageous also had
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these things happen to them. Got it.
Traumas, However, not all of them.
And there were, you know, a few studies that this doctor claimed
were essentially like pretty irrefutable.
And they were just normal peoplewithout no criminal background,
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no trauma, parents still together, just like happy
families, career driven, like normal people.
Just all of a sudden some crazy fucking abduction shit happened
to them and their lives change like overnight.
And you know, so couldn't completely disprove it.
Final example, there is a book out there, I can't think of the
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priest's name, but essentially he was the Pope's exorcist.
And the big quote from the book is, is that 99% of the people
that he visited in Italy, France, around the world, right.
For exorcisms. Yeah.
It was always linked to some sort of like sort of what we're
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talking about with your friend, you know, in LA where it's like,
you know, it was like a power ofsuggestion thing.
Or the person was just kind of like crazy, you know, And like,
one thing he would do is like bring a lamb and then like do a
prayer and then shoot the lamb. And then the people would be
like, I'm cured, you know, whatever.
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But what, what it was, was like giving them a sugar pill.
Got it. It wasn't an actual anything.
He just knew they were traumatized.
However, the big quote is, is 99% of them, he could prove
we're not, not real team in possessions, but 1% were.
And he was absolutely positive that they were.
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Yeah. And this is a man who spent 60
years doing this. Right, right, right.
So so all that being said, sort of harkening back to the
original 1 where we started, if somebody told me, you know, if
it if it was like a roulette board, yeah, red, black or
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green, not demons. Inner demons definitely demons
like exterior like 4th dimensional demons.
Like these creatures outside of us?
Yeah. For me, it would probably be
green and not red or black, which is like 40 percent, 40%,
OK, but it's not not on the board.
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You got it got. It you know what I mean?
Like I think yeah, yes, there islike a 10% chance that you know,
and the ball often it lands on green, you know, so you never
know. So that's basically where I'm at
at this point. I think when I was younger, I
was so driven after leaving the like childhood religion cult,
(44:58):
right, to be rational, to be scientific about it.
But that what happens is that leads you into believing
everything that's rational and scientific and then you find out
stories, yeah, that rational science can't disprove.
Yeah. So what happens then?
You inherently have to acknowledge that it's a
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possibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a quote by a scientist, maybe Bill Nye or someone like
that, I don't know, but that he goes if you, if you do an
undergraduate degree in biology,you become an atheist.
If you do a PhD graduate degree in biology, you start to see God
everywhere. Oh my God.
You know, and it's like, that's kind of what you're describing.
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There's the like, you know, raised in the church, whatever,
you leave and everything's like,OK, fuck that.
You swing the pendulum to the other side.
Scientific materialism. It's all just a concrete real,
there's a rational explanation for everything, yes, whatever.
And now you're, you know, more life experience and whatever
where it's like, I don't know, God damn, I don't know.
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Yeah, Yeah. You know, and that that's sort
of that that's also it too, you know, maturation and maturity
shows you that you can't be so sure, you know, I can't know
where do you fall on the spectrum?
Are you like 10% possibility? Is it more 1% or are you closer
to the 5050 round or are you allin?
(46:22):
There's a fourth dimension, right?
Right. Right.
Sometimes I'm all in. Sometimes I'm like there's some
weird stuff out there, right? Other times I'm 5050, I think
I'm going to I'm going to go 60406040 that there is some
weird. Shit out there.
Nice, nice. You know, because ultimately, I
don't know, you know, and it's like, you know, I don't know,
I'm not a scientist, right? But I do think that there's, I
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think there's rhythms. I think there's, I think, I
think our lives could take on a certain kind of momentum.
Like people talk about spiralinginto madness, you know,
spiraling into a depression or something.
There's like this quality of momentum that once you're on a
track, you're kind of almost getting pulled through that
track or, or like, or like rising to the top.
(47:11):
You know that. Kind of thing like like.
Other direction, but there's like a momentum pulling you that
way. Or you know, our lives happen
like where everything bad happens at once.
When it rains, it pours, yes. Or everything's going so well
and you know, you catch a momentum, you catch a vibe, you
know, and then and then I don't know, and then that happens, you
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know. So I don't know if like, I don't
know, something happens to my car one day and then I run into
I don't know what, I almost get bit by a shark at the beach.
I don't know, it's just like weird bad stuff keeps happening
over and over again. Is it because I have a demon on
me from my new apartment or something?
Well, maybe, maybe not. I don't know, you know, can it
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be helpful even to like externalize it and be like, oh,
I have a demon on me. So now if I get rid of the
demon, I'll be good and. Placebo effect deliberately.
Use the placebo effect on myself.
Yeah, sure. You know.
Because what's happening is you're uncomfortable.
You got to change the situation.You can.
Use the external to as motivation and then just like
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quickly to you that it. It's interesting to think then
how a demon can also be viewed as something positive.
Yeah, a driver of raw humanity, right.
That we often times have abandoned via, you know,
whatever the demon inside, you know, guys got a demon inside.
You know, the high school here, they're called the Santa.
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Wait, actually. Yeah, that's really weird.
Yeah, a lot of schools, right, like Arizona states the Sun
Devils, you know, and they have a demon with the pitchfork, you
know, and it's also sort of likerepresentative of, of motivation
perhaps, you know, like somebodywho's driven.
One time where I saw you got another minute.
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Yeah, OK. One time where I saw like I'm
like, I was like there's a fucking teeth.
I worked with this kid at the high school who.
Yeah. Clearly some serious.
Right, right, right. Trauma, whatever.
I mean, you know, obese and sometimes just had that look in
his eye where he was just like, like dude, where the fuck?
Are you right now just, like, scary?
(49:20):
Yeah, Yeah. Uncomfortable to be around, you
know, just like kind of scary. What?
And, and my heart goes out to him because whatever shit this
kid went through was a lot, right?
And he was like, and, and I was trying and he was illiterate,
you know, and I'm like, you know, he's like 15.
And I was trying so hard to justget him to do anything right at
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all in school. And and then I was like, what
are you into? And he's like, well, I kind of
like to draw, you know? And I was like, dude, hell yeah,
you know, and I'm an artist. So I was like trying to connect
with them at that level. And so I was like, OK, well, I
can't force you to do work rightnow.
You know, it's like yell at you,give you detention, kick you
out. You're not going to do shit
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regardless. So I just want to see you do
something. Here's a paper and a pencil.
Just do some drawing, dude. Like, let's let's start from
there, you know? And the shit that this kid Drew
was so fucking scary. Like demonic bro.
There's no other way to say it. It's like, what's his name on
Chuck a lot. Oh yeah, just just scary.
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Just. And he wasn't, it's not like he
was a good artist drawing pictures of Satan or something.
That would have been kind of funny.
It was just like fucking him, like scratching at the paper
just end or fear. I was like, and then I'd see
these and I was like, I got to burn that shit because I don't
want it on my desk. It's scary.
I don't want this here. So, you know, so I think, I
think energy gets expressed through the art that people
(50:50):
make. If you look at someone's art,
you could get a really good sense of who they are and where
they're at. Yes, I saw this, kids.
If I didn't see a demon, I saw avery, very, very injured
individual, sure, with a lot of fucking anger and shame and
fear. And then there's a lot of
artists that try to mimic that, you know, sort of like darkness
or blackness, you know, But you mean them.
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They're actually pretty cool. Sure.
Yeah, like like horror writers and and metal musicians.
All this stuff and like, but then the dark Arts comes down to
it, I do want to say, but how itcame back to the Makano pod?
What scares me is that I think there's something like demonic
in the bourbon, in the definition of the word that, you
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know, something scary that we can't control.
Yeah. In the cosmos, out there in
space. Yeah, space scares the shit out
of me. You know, we're rolling around
in this freaking globe around the sun can get pelted by like,
island size rocks and stuff. There's there's black holes.
There's different dimensions. But.
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Right, Right. That's just scary, yeah.
You know, it's absolutely insanethat any of us keep a rational
fucking state of mind in this place, you know, that we live
in. So, so there's also sort of like
a cosmic evil you. Know totally, totally.
Other thing I wanted to know wasso this goes deep, right?
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This sort of like bad luck thing, right?
The demon hovering, this can go really dark.
Like there is this family in thechurch that we grew up in and
one of them, two of them, like the grandma and grandpa, were
one of the original, like, witnesses ever, right when it
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first started. And they, like, were then the
first meeting of Gilead, they call it, where it's like The
Pioneers, you know, in New York and shit like that.
And they were anointed, too. So they would drink from the
wine. They were one of the 144,000
that would go to heaven and serve with Jesus as kings and
Queens. Oh, yeah.
And heaven, right. Love that.
(52:55):
Yeah. So the Son, he becomes an elder
too, goes as a missionary, meetssome like South American hottie.
They they start pioneering together, missionaries.
They have like 4 kids, right? So they're in our Kingdom hall.
So anyways, the parents died, the grandparents, OK.
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And there's was a conspiracy that sort of within the family
that then Satanus had it out forthem, right, Dude, Mom dies of
cancer. Oh God.
Like 6-6 to nine months later, the dad starts having like,
really bad stomach pains issues,like, you know, using bathroom.
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He dies of polyps, cancer on thebutt.
Freaking four months later, the first daughter dies, breast
cancer. And then they're all like,
uncorrelated forms of cancer. Yeah, three months later, the
other sister dies of cancer. Holy.
Shit. Some crazy freaking neck thing
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and then I think the last one just like it lived a little bit
longer but is either still aliveor died as well.
It's just so crazy how that could be like is that simple?
Simply just bad luck, coincidence or is something like
cosmically like bad happening tothem or did they live in like a
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lead pot? That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, Was deteriorating who? Knows what everybody can, and
this is real. This has happened in New Mexico
and probably still happens. Is their uranium buried, you
know, 20 feet from their neighborhood?
Dude, I could be. We used to clean this account.
I don't even want to say their name because I'm afraid I'll get
(54:48):
freaking assassinated in the dark Wi-Fi style.
But they had they rent a huge bit property and building and
they pay security to live there 24 hours a day and it's been
closed for almost 2 decades. Yeah, what's in there?
And the reason is because they have a bunch of lead, one weird
cleaning it out. The scientist came out with a
(55:09):
block of lead and he's a look athow crazy this is.
And he could barely carry it andhe threw it on the ground and it
just mushed like peanut butter, weird and took a different form.
It was so weird. Well, anyways, they made like
the, you know, uranium, nuclear,whatever things for the Humvees
(55:33):
in Afghanistan. Oh, wow.
So they have all kinds of nuclear waste in the ground.
Just here in town, they grow. It in the ground and they'll
never clean it out because it'llcost way more.
So now it's just poisoning all freaking Airport Road and nobody
knows about it. Crazy.
First Reformed. Yeah, Yeah, it's the same.
Yeah. And then one more thing came to
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mind, too. I mean, historical demonism,
too. I mean, like, I saw a museum
exhibit in Denver that was about, I think it was called
the, well, whatever it was a it was a Native American massacre,
right, where Union soldiers camein and all the men were out
hunting. And it was just old people,
(56:17):
women and children, a lot of them sick because there was a
smallpox infection going around and all these soldiers just came
in and freaking lit these peopleup crazy, right?
And which one? How do you do that?
How do you have the heart to do that to, you know, talk about
like Holocaust style shit? How do you do that to their
stories of like taking like it'shard to even say taking like
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little native kids and like being like using them as target
practice, being like, go, run, go run.
And then all these like freakingdrunk ass soldiers are like
shooting at them, laughing crazy.
And so that stuff, you know, Vietnam War stuff, like crazy,
crazy, crazy shit where it's just like, how can people do
that? And then with this, this
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massacre from the 1800s and around the Denver area, there
was one guy, 1 soldier, right? It was like a battalion of like
50 dudes or something, right? And this one soldier had a
conscience and was like, holy shit, I can't believe this
happened. I need to report this to my to
my superiors, right? So they finish up their
(57:23):
expedition, whatever, go back into town and this guy goes
right to his superiors, the general, whoever it was, and
reports like there was this fucking massacre.
It wasn't a battle. They're going to tell you it was
a battle. It wasn't a battle.
All the men were out hunting. This was sick old people and
children that they massacred ruthlessly, you know?
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So he reports it, the general just like ignores it.
And then this dude gets freakingassassinated on a city block in
Denver the very next day. And it's just like, what the
hell do you? And this is all written down.
I mean this is. Right, this is, you know
they're. Photos of these people, all of
it. Captain Olgren, you know, Tom
Cruise, Last Samurai, That's hisPTSD.
(58:06):
Right. That's right.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Tom Cruise was there and then he
flew out to Jazan, you know. Which is good for forgiveness
and I like too that forgiveness is is anti demonic.
Yeah. And like, holding hatred and
grudges and all this stuff is part of evil, you know, And
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letting go, being the naturalist, caring for your
environment, the things we put in our body, all this stuff,
this is peace, this is God, thisis happiness, right?
This is longevity. On behalf of the Jareds, thank
you for listening. Great.
Follow and tell your friends volume 2 of the Demon Pod will
(58:51):
be released tonight. And always remember, we are each
our own devil and we make this world our hell.
Have a great morning.
You have Satan's house and everything.
You're Satan. You say you say he goes.
If you if you do an undergraduate degree in biology,
you become an atheist. For all American Pope Leo back
in the palace, baby in. America, get it back in there
all right. If you do a PhD graduate degree
(00:20):
in biology, you start to see Godeverywhere.
Oh my God. Good evening, my name is Atari.
Welcome to Jared To Jared on thefirst volume of The Demon Port.
The Jareds will discuss the devil, Christopher Marlow, the
global demonic environmentalism,the demonic aesthetic, and much,
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much more. Let's pray.
You know many pathos is pity to something.
We need to draw the the magiciancircle around us to keep to keep
the demons out as we as we approach this.
Topic I got some ketchup. There's some salt.
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Over our shoulders. That made me think of like
Tenacious D the movie The Pick of Destiny, where they make the
pentagram out of catch up, but they're like channel the demon
gods for metal music. You know the power of metal.
That's cool, I like. That and it's weird how it can
also be something that's viewed as a positive, right?
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Yeah, giving you sort of the theconfidence to break free from
traditions, break free from domesticity, from following the
normal path, the peaceful path, right, sort of becoming this
hamlet esque haunted individual,right or or channeling Dio.
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RIP Ozzy Osbourne just died. Freaking went to so many Oz
fests. The power of like the demon
genre, right? The Demon Realm.
Well, the word demon comes from the word daemon DAEMON.
Art Back to the Golden Compass. Yeah, so this is what's the
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Golden Compass? Philip Pullman, you haven't read
those. It's the daemon ancient Greek
word and it pretty much just meant energy is moving through
you, right. So if you're on the battlefield,
you would call upon a Damon likethe war Damon to to enter your
spirit and you know, going to battle or Eudaemon, Eudaemon.
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EUDAEMON means happiness becauseEU was like like you like
euphoria, euthanasia, you know, all these EU meant, you know,
euphoria, kind of feeling happiness.
That sort of thing meant the energy of happiness moving
through you. So as far as I know that word
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comes from Damon and and or racially meant just energies
moving through you. Yeah, I like that a lot.
Well, in this series, the dark can't remember what the Philip
Pullman chronicles are, the darkmatter or something like that.
Yeah, I'll look it up. But Charles looked that up.
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But all the characters within this series, Golden Compass is
the most famous one. They have a daemon that
accompanies with them. Cool.
OK, Yeah. And all of them are are viewed
are animals, different animals. So the main guy has a tiger, you
know, one of them has like a little weasel.
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And stuff like that, right? So we all have our daemons, you
know, a bird and a great owl, whatever.
But when they get hurt, we get hurt.
If they die, we die inside, right?
Our soul gets lost, you know? Yeah.
And there's this new sort of monotheistic religion that is
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trying to kill all the demons and control, you know, the
people and, and inhibit growth and expansion.
Kill the animal spirit exactly right, right, right.
Wow, that's beautiful. So where do we start?
Right, right. Where do we start?
Demon Pod? Demon Pod D Monopod 2025 Where
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do we start? I mean, there's no reason.
Do we start with that? Do we?
Do we just jump? Into that we've hit this we've
hit this before. OK so just quickly let's quickly
touch on it. I don't think we need to spend
too much time on reality objective reality of such.
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But we have recently had friendsthat claim to have objective
encounters with with the 4th kind with the demon kind.
You know has any of these thingshappened to me and you a couple
of Jesus, you know stories. Oh, do you?
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Yeah. OK.
OK. Yeah, OK.
I don't want to tell the whole story.
But I want the whole thing. On accident.
Oh my God, now you're just. I'm just going to leave it here
on accident in 20. Oh, wait.
I definitely shared this one actually because we made a joke
how I I'd started the the pandemic or something because I
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accidentally, I think it was late 2019, late 2019, I
accidentally invited a demon into into my apartment.
Sure, sure. And.
What was his name? Didn't tell me his name.
If I knew his name, I'd probablyhave had power over him.
That's supposed to see. That's why I didn't run it in
and I didn't know what the time to ask.
So felt like I invited a demon in an accident.
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And then in my life, just horrible, horrible, horrible,
crazy stuff started happening. And then the pandemic happened.
So I think, I think I started the pandemic.
Right, right. Sorry guys.
How was the channeling done? Pandemic pandemonium, right?
Does pandemic come from the worddemon?
Sure, their root connection there.
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Definitely the concept of pandemics would be evil or
demonic. Right.
Well, the pandemonium that comesfrom John Milton's Paradise Lost
and the pandemonium was the the,the city of the demons, right?
The tower that all the demons lived in Pandemonium.
So it's not in in Milton. It's an actual place.
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Now it's used as chaos but pandemonium, pandemic and then
pan meaning all. Right, Right.
You know, there's, there's certainly some crazy stories of
Buddhist demons, right? Yeah.
Totally. Eastern.
Oh yeah, the Eastern demon. The Eastern demons.
Return of the Dragon. Bruce Lee fighting his demons.
You know the dream world. Have you seen a demon?
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Never. You saw a coyote demon once?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I I did see the demon coyote.
Yeah, the demon coyote. I took some, ate some pretty bad
porcini mushrooms, too many of them by myself.
And it was just weird. I could, like, hear water, like,
splashing in my head. And then I went outside at some
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point during the middle of the night smoking a cig, and I
heard, like, a dog. And I look to my left, freaked
out. And it was a demon coyote.
Like, crazy. Like, red eyes, freaking pointy
ears. Yeah.
It wasn't real. And I was like, God, maybe I was
just tripping. Fuck.
Well, there's that to you. And then I ran inside.
I was like, oh, my God. Demon coyote.
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Yeah. And then that morning at to like
teach myself how to talk again. And you know, what helped,
though, is I lived by the cross,the cross of the martyrs here in
Santa Fe, NM. So I walked to the cross and I
saw what's the. Sunrise white cross, the big
white. Cross.
Yeah, you should take a walk up there.
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It's. A beautiful there.
It's beautiful. Saw the sunrise and that like
healed me from the oh, that's aninteresting concept.
OK, let's think of demons as a sort of a genre, right?
Vampires, Sure. Garlic freaking, you know.
Yeah. Sunlight, what have you.
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Right. So Catholicism has sort of been
an authority on the demon sort of thing.
Yeah. But exorcism, Christianity isn't
as old as a lot of Eastern religions as well.
So they took from those old stories as well.
Yeah. But now what do we have now is
we have a character with genre expectations, right?
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The sun They don't like the sun they can.
Yeah, demons don't like the sun.They don't.
Like the sun, they don't like the creatures generally they
don't like, you know, church, holy water, things like this,
right? I don't know.
Can you think of some the genre of the demon?
Yeah, yeah, so, well, there's also the expulsion of the demon.
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Right. That's part of the job, right?
Too right? Because you invite the demon in
and there's always an invitation, right?
You know, it's kind of rare thatthat the demon just comes upon
you. I mean, something that that that
can be there too. You know, it's like a
poltergeist or something. You move, you unknowingly move
into the house that right already has a demon, but you're
moving into the demon space, right?
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So you're either moving into thedemonic space or the demon, or
you're inviting the demon into your space.
You know, it's like the vampire.Can't cross cross the.
Threshold of your house. I just want sinners.
That was a big thing, yeah. So which is funny because you
think of even like Internet, Internet viruses and and hackers
and stuff like that where you actually have to invite them in.
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You know, you get those texts that are like you're, you know,
sending to old people, like yourgrandson is in jail.
And if you have to click this link together, you know, just
like whatever it is, it's like, oh, you too, you have to click
the link, you have to respond, you have to go into.
Because if you don't, if you just say no hard boundary, the
demon can't pass that boundary. No.
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Right, right, right. Boom.
Done. Yeah, so there's the invitation
of the demon and then the. Expulsion.
Of the demon. Just like you said, you gotta
know the name. That's another genre as the
expectation. If you know the name, then you
have power over the character, right?
Yeah. Yeah, so the story that that a
friend recently shared, she saidshe moved into a new apartment,
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had a weird so she was moving into the demonic space, had a
weird vibe in the apartment goesand then and then like a psychic
tarot card lady or something told her like, yeah, there's
definitely a darkness in that apartment.
And apartments are fucking weird.
We could get into like especially in a place like New
Mexico, old ass buildings, old apartments, you don't know what
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kind of, you know, what kind of stuff has gone on in there,
right. So she she was in LA, but you
move, she moved into this place.Dark energy psychic says get
some sage, do these, say some prayers and you know, clear it
out, clear out the space. My friend doesn't do that, goes
to sleep and has a dream that she's having sex with a demon.
Right, right, right, right. And then she said she's never
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been one for like, depression or, you know, doesn't have too
much darkness in her, you know, pretty, pretty like chill person
like person. And then she said her life got
terrible. She's depressed all the time.
She's dark, She's Moody, you know, lashing out at people, all
this stuff. And then some people in her life
were just like, are you OK? Like, what is going on, You
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know? And she said now when she looks
back at pictures of herself fromthat period, she was like,
there's this heaviness that she'd never had, you know?
So then she goes back to the sidekick, and the sidekick's
like, yeah, you have a demon on you and you need to go back and
do the sage it out and prayers and whatever else.
So she does that and then I guess successfully expulsed a
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demon and. She was lashing out at her
boyfriend and everything was lashing out, Yeah.
Exorcist. Style So demons also have like
Tourette's syndrome too. That's part of the.
That's part of those, the. Yeah, so, but, but then of
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course, you know, if you step back from religion, if you step
back from imagination, the things that we own, imagine, if
you go into the realm of the power of persuasion, then you
can kind of discount every single demon story anyone has
ever told me. Oh, interesting Or instance like
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the skeptic stance? Like, play devil's advocate, but
yeah, no pun intended. If the if she would have never
went to a psychic, psychic wouldhave never have told her that
she would have never had nightmares and would have never
have had to go get Sage. And then right after that she
completed the story of the psychic's persuasion and then
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she could go back to normal where it is.
If she just went to Starbucks that day, that would have never
happened. Can however, can you account for
her because she went to the psychic because she felt like
there was a weird energy in the apartment?
I felt like she had something I'd like.
To know how the right right the origins of yeah because we don't
know them we. Don't know.
So who knows, maybe she's got into a fight with her boyfriend.
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And then all of a sudden her weird.
Friend is depressed and then she's like feeling weird vibes
and moves into this new place. And then goes, he's a psychic.
Who knows. Yeah.
Or maybe it was just genuinely weird vibes.
Like, I saw that documentary, 11Minutes, which is about the
shooting at the Mandalay Bay at that concert, Biggest mass
shooting, you know, ever. Well, the FBI officer went in
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after he killed himself and, youknow, he shot the windows out.
So there's wind blowing up, you know, a 32nd floor or whatever,
and it was filled with gunpowdergun smoke from the guns going
off. So he said it was the most
eeriest. Of course, of course.
Creepiest evil like spirit in that room he had ever.
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Felt I'm sure dude, demonic. Yeah, but what it?
But then that's the language, that's the word wordage we use
for something bad that has happened.
Yeah. Is it necessarily something
otherworldly, right? Or is it just a verbiage to
explain a mass Mer character to explain, you know, perversions
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all the stuff? Right.
Well, there is a level of rot indeath, right?
Because there's demon associations, because you don't
associate the demon with love and like hugging a tree in
nature or something. And you just went on a beautiful
hike with your best friends and you're feeling really good about
it. That's not demonic, Yeah.
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That's not demonic. Demonic.
That's all enlivening and invigorating.
Demonic is all associations again, genre associations with
with death, with rot, with pain,with destruction, chaos, right.
It's not, you know, it's like, you know, when you see, you
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know, pandemonium. I mean, yeah, you're describing
the pandemonium. I mean, if and if you enter into
the pandemonium and like, let's say you have this tower of
freaking like 32 floors or something, you know, and you go
into the tower and each floor has some other demonic thing
going on. And then there's all like
smaller rooms within each floor and you can get lost in it.
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Forever, right? One room would be a mass
shooting, you know, Sure, if youwere hanging, if you were
exploring the pandemonium. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's literally would be the definition of going back to sort
of, you know, the the origins. Yeah, That being said, it's kind
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of cool to see the demon as historical, too.
It's one of the first figures toshow up in literature, right?
Grendel, Beowulf, you know, old,old Hindu texts, mysticism, you
know, the demon gods. This.
And that Gilgamesh, which is, I think one of, if not the most
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ancient texts that we have, it'sit's 5000 years old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Epic of Gilgamesh, it's
about this hero. And there's a great flood.
Sounds familiar, you know, all this kind of stuff.
And he's and he's facing and conquering demons, sometimes
conquered by demons and then andthen successfully flees them or
whatever. So I mean, yeah, you're right.
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This is something that is very central to the human experience.
Right and you're making me thinknow too, to our coffee
conversation in the kitchen. What are categories of demons,
right. So of course there's like pay
lay pay May and. Payment.
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Yeah, yeah, payment. Payment.
Payment. Yeah.
And hereditary, right. There's that form, right?
You know, Reagan and the exorcist, whatever.
Yeah. But then there's also inner
demons, right? Yeah.
This is sort of an inter, you know, play.
You can, you can mess around with this.
So what, how do we view the demonic or the inner demons?
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What are they? What are they associations with,
you know, one inner demon that one of the most common uses of
it is like overcoming like a physical like ineptitude or, or,
or laziness, right? Being able to like, become an
athlete, conquering your, conquer your inner demons, Nike,
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fucking just do it, you know? And it seems to me I thought
this during Nesferatu, the new one.
Nice. Yeah.
Where if you conquer your inner demons, you can successfully
face the outer demons, right? Right.
Because there's this scene whereWillem Dafoe's character and
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he's like the the magician. The the.
The exorcist, The Alchemist, that was it.
Thank you. He's The Alchemist, which means
by definition that he has conquered the inner demons.
He is, he has cleared his shit out.
He is the the ascended master, you know what I mean?
And then they call upon him and then he's able to go in there
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and without fear, you know, holdup the cross, you know,
whatever, do what he has to do. And you can see that when what's
her face? Lily Rose Depp is, you know,
freaking out, squirming on the bed.
Everyone's all scared, you know.But then Willem Dafoe, The
Alchemist is able to sit with that and be like, it's just,
it's just, it's a mask, it's fireworks.
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It's just, it's the demon putting on a show.
It's right. And he's not scared about it cuz
he's, he's seen it, he's been through it, he's conquered it
within himself. That's like, what's there to
fear? Right, right, right.
Yeah, that's just the expositionof the inner demon.
When? Yeah, cuz.
Demons also do a lot of there's a big, big, big facade to the
demon, kind of a Wizard of Oz quality where it's these scary
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giant things going on. But then if you actually look at
it, it's like this tiny little mouse or this wounded part of
you that's upset or something. Like that, right?
Right when you clear away the facade.
The inner demons. Yeah, at least for the inner
ones. Right, right.
Man, for some reason I was thinking of that movie The Sal
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with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Lopez in the 90s.
Sounds like a funny cat. We should do that one for the
pot. It's honestly like Revered is
one of the like freakiest thriller scary movies ever made.
But she goes into the mind of a serial killer like literally
like a machine allows her to go in.
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That sounds like pandemic. And she's a detective, and she
wants to see if she could find out where the bodies are buried.
Oh, that's cool. That's a cool premise.
But she goes in and what she finds is his trauma.
Oh that father beating him and shit.
Totally. You.
Know hiring scene and like you know just and it's super freaky
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and demonic right right oh that OK kind of shift the gears but
there's like a scene too where he's very like royal and
regalious right yeah think of Satan to his jewels they talk
about all the jewels every stoneof earth he was decorated the
most beautiful Angel before he became the demon.
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Right, right, right. What is it about the aesthetic,
too? It can be like this, very
glorious, you know, fucking enchanting, sort of Gothic,
sublime image where it's like you're afraid it's so
overwhelming, you know, or on the other spectrum, the demon
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can also be very disgusting, youknow, grotesque, poor, ragged.
Interesting, interesting. So that brings to mind.
Well, actually, before I say that one, the Luciferian
complex, you know, that that whole thing like just the the
Lucifer's dynamic is incredible.I mean, it's there's such a
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poetry to it and really wisdom in it where you're right, I mean
the most beautiful right Angel up there, right, who gets who
his sin was pride. You know, one of the seven
deadly sins, Rich Dante and his Inferno says pride is the
central deadly sin because everyother sin comes from pride.
And to put that in Eastern termsor, or 21st century New Age
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terms like the ego, you know, it's like that, that
overinflated sense of self that's, you know, that's pride.
So you have Lucifer's the most beautiful Angel.
He's brilliant, you know, like quite literally brilliant in the
sense of like shining, yes, glorious, you know, brilliance.
And then says, wait a second, look how great I am.
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How come I'm not, I'm not a ruler, right?
Right. And then boom, falls right?
And then, you know, goes. To before the fall.
Exactly. Exactly.
And then falls and becomes the demon.
So there's this very extreme experience of being the
brightest of the bright and thenbecoming the darkest of the
dark. It's yes, I mean, it's really,
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it's, it's bipolar. It's, it's right, you know,
something incredible about Lucifer.
And that's sort of what we're served up with the in the Bible
too, right? Because Jesus is sandals, no
wealth, you know, wears the samerope, sort of sleeps on a stone,
you know, just like a man of theearth, you know, And then on
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that flip side, we have Satan, Lucifer, who has brilliance, you
know, rich. Wow, right.
Beautiful, beautiful magnificence.
You know, so compelling. And the evil, you know, evil as
opposed to the light and that's the other cool thing, Grad, you
bought up Dante too. Yes.
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At the end of the day, whether it's something that's outside or
inside of ourselves, right. I think the the, the, the core
fundamental of the demon. Yeah, demonic, evil, all this
stuff is a way to understand andand to sort of inculcate within
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ourselves what we don't want to be either a on a personal level
interpersonal relationships, whether that be with a partner,
whatever. And we think of it like
disgusting sexuality. Most demons you know, just.
Like there is a sexuality to thehuman.
Yeah, yeah. And like keeping healthy, those
sort of healthy habits, because then what does the light
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represent? A healthy existence for the
species? It's sort of like this
anthropological pool to stray away from demonic quote UN
quote, or just unhealthy ways oflife, relationships, places we
live, all this different stuff, right and try to get.
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That's why the global demon, theglobal evil, which we were
talking about earlier, sort of lead poisoning, the Lucifer
curves with that book in the 80sI was telling you about, you
know, teen pregnancies, murders,freaking serial killers.
Everything rises with lead, drops off a Cliff after that,
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you name it oil and in the ocean, scraping the oceans you
know of. Course greed which creates like
ranked. Down below, the first reformed
episode, you know Ethan Hawks onthe cover.
Click it. But we get these fucking demonic
players, right? Like Bezos, like freaking
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Zuckerberg, like all these mega billion trillionaire
billionaires, you know, they don't give a fuck.
There's this weird blindness to them.
Yeah. And we're talking about that one
company that just leaded gasoline in general.
All the gas companies, They killed millions, ruined a whole
generation. That's making baby boomers.
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That's demonic on a global scale.
And if we're talking about like personal demons in a
relationship, demons, well, now we're back to the village,
right? The village wants the demonic
out out of it, right? Doesn't want the demon because
what happens is it spreads throughout the entire village.
Freaking billions of human beings can get affected.
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Well, it's contagious by. One God damn person.
Yeah, yeah. And there's, there's small class
demons like you're saying, the personal ones.
If I have a demon in me, it's not going to do too much damage.
I mean, you know, it can be, I don't know, hurts me, you know,
I'm not feeling good about myself saying I'm not pleasant
to be around for other people orwhatever.
You know, we're at it's very worst.
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You know, maybe I like, I don't know.
And see, I can't even think of something that like, I'm not
going to murder anyone, you knowwhat I mean?
So it's like it's not going to be that bad, you know.
So there's small class demons atthe personal level or the local
level or, you know, you do have,you know, this dude who like
joins a gang and does kill a fewpeople.
It's like demonic at that level,really bad.
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But then you have global societal demonic like you're
saying it's CE OS, CE OS that are like indirectly murdering
millions of people or like the Hitler thing, you know, right,
right. So there's that, right.
But it always seems compelling and attractive, right, Because
you have like the Lucifer thing you have, it's attractive, you
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know, like, look, wealth, right?Like, OK, you take this business
that's going to like, I don't know, dump it's waste.
And you know, the local water source because it's convenient
and they're going to save a bunch of money and a bunch of
local people are going to get sick.
But they're just like, don't care.
I have so much money. I'm going to go.
Right, we're going to wear it towherever, you know, Yeah, we're
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going to make so lost money and get.
To have whatever we want and andfreaking go to Epstein Island
and crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.
So demonic, yes. And but then there's this like,
like we're going to wear whatever you want, be whoever
you want, adorn yourself howeveryou want.
There's this sense of power. My God, you become the.
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Lusarian Power. Yes, wow, yes.
Yeah, so it is attractive because what's more attractive?
Lucifer, who's adorned with all the jewels on Earth.
With a bunch of demonic followers.
There's a bunch of cool looking demonic followers.
Freaking all. Plan He has all power.
He offers Jesus all the power and.
Total tea now, Yeah. Or Christ, who's like, probably
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kind of awkward, you know, he's like this awkward Jew in the
desert. He doesn't have a little.
Bit autistic a. Little bit autistic kind of a
narrative brilliant yeah and you're like wait, which is more
attractive, right. It's like obviously Lucifer, but
then you know, Christ has something that goes beyond that.
And like there's ACS Lewis line love CS Lewis where he says
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there's two types of people in this world.
There are people that say to God, let thy will be done.
And then there are people who say to God, let my will be done.
And that's the. Luciferian complex.
That's the difference. Are you going to say to God you
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know your will, you know, and, and, and I'm going to be of
service to the world and all of that or my way.
Yes, good. One of the most iconic scenes in
like comic book movie lore in the in the film cinema
discussion is fucking Venom and like.
(29:03):
Spider Man. Yeah, in the like mid 2000s
Venom freaking Red Foreman playshim, no.
Eric. Foreman, Eric.
Foreman. Yeah, he plays him and he goes
to church when he turns evil to pray and and prays so he can
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have the power to kill spider, which everybody's like, Jesus,
that's fucking brutal, you know,actually going to church to pray
for these things, you know, But if you think about it, that is
sort of the the, the version of hypocrisy within religion,
obviously, but also the reflection of oneself, man, if
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you're only pursuit, that's whatmakes even not being rich and
trying to be rich or acting likeyou are that much more even that
even worse. It's like, not only are you not
getting the rewards of being Satan, but you're giving up your
humanity to be Satan, you know? Yeah.
So it's a fucking double edged sword.
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You're fucking, you know, falling into right there.
It's what? So what the Yeah.
And it's just. But of course, on the other end,
I'm really liking this sort of aesthetic Satanus that we're
talking. About here, Yeah, yeah.
Because, man, that's such a reflection of our society.
Oh yeah, and the more money you have, just like Jesus said, the
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harder it will be for you to getinto God's Kingdom.
And what's God's Kingdom in the Galactic Empire?
The galacticism, we built our religion while it's finding sort
of this peace within life, you know, Yeah, being able to go
back into the stars, it's becomeStardust and find your way back
onto another planet better, you know, fucking the karma be
(30:57):
reborn, you know. So that being said, you're never
gonna get there at fucking driving Ferraris and adorning
yourself and jewels. You're fucking being Satan.
You're dressing like Satan. You're dressing.
You're dressed. You're trying to be Satan.
You have Satan's house and everything.
(31:17):
You're Satan. Yeah, You're Satan.
You're Satan. You're Satan.
Yeah, and that's what. Makes these mega churches such a
hypocritical slap in the face. I know.
It's all these. Churches, you know, they're rich
beyond measure. That's the great irony I love.
I love sharing this with people who don't care but like Saint
Francis. St.
(31:39):
Francis on his dying fucking on his deathbed.
His dying wish was don't build any cathedrals for me.
Do not build any monuments. To me please, please.
Right. The first thing they do is like
draw up a fucking blueprint for a giant fucking cathedral the
moment he. Dies.
(31:59):
You got it? Yeah.
And then look, we're, you know, we're in, we're in now he, which
is the city of Saint. Francis, we have the Saint.
Francis Cathedral here, right? Right, you know our most
important like Rd. is Saint Francis or fucking you know,
hospitals named. After right?
Exactly. Yeah, We live in the city of
Saint Francis. It's so weird.
Yeah, yeah, he would be pissed. He's rolling in his, you know,
(32:21):
rolling in his cloud in heaven. Yeah.
He didn't want it, you know, kind of a correlative story.
But the last Pope that just died.
Yeah. Benedicto was it.
What was his name? Was it Francis?
Francis. Francis, OH.
My God, once Francis moved out of the Pope's like, palace, his
(32:43):
like crazy apartment they have for him, you know?
Yeah. And he lived in some like, small
little fucking apartment at one of the churches and like, I
don't know where the fuck, but it was a humble abode, right?
Yeah. What was the 1st order of
business for all American Pope Leo?
Back in the palace, baby Hell. Yeah, America.
(33:04):
Yeah. Get him back in there all right.
Oh. Man, so it's just funny.
And of course, but all the religions, Christian religions
use this to talk shit about the others, right?
Like the Witness, Jehovah Witnesses talk shit about
Catholics for sending around a contribution basket.
Meanwhile there say, well, we would never do that, but let's
(33:26):
read a scripture about why it's good to give to the church.
And by the way, our contributionboxes in the back, you know,
wink wink, nudge, nudge, right, right, right.
And they're rich beyond measure.Mormons, too.
They do the same thing for to Jova witnesses.
And but, you know, we're round and round we go.
Well, that's a fun demon game iswhen the demons parade around in
(33:48):
the garb of religion, right whenthe demon.
Jesus want, Jesus said no organized religions.
It's literally scriptural. Oh yeah, it's scriptural.
Yeah. The only way to God is through
him. Humble, personal, interpersonal.
Yes. What do we do?
Build mega churches. It's the inward search.
Yeah, Yeah. One thing I'm one gets this
(34:09):
because I'm curious how much howmuch time do you have?
I got to leave at like 1255. Was it right?
Now we got it. Is 12/29.
OK, I'm going to bring this up because I'm curious about about
this one issue, actually one I just want to name drop Doctor
Faustus, the Christopher Marloweplay.
Did you ever read that one in college?
Yeah, I know which one. It's a.
Great fucking play. But that's where you get the
(34:30):
archetype of selling your soul to the devil, you know, gaining
the world and losing your soul, that sort of thing.
Great play. Really, really fun play.
OK, I'm curious what you think about this.
So there's this therapeutic modality called internal family
systems or parts therapy is another phrase for it.
(34:51):
And parts therapy is essentiallyjust finding these different
parts of yourself that have different needs and then are
sometimes in conflict and then bring conflict into your life,
you know, because you're experiencing internal conflict.
So maybe you have the inner child part that just wants to be
(35:12):
held and loved and taken care of.
And then you have the part of you that, I don't know, has been
wounded and is really overly self protective and uses anger
to feel safe or what? Whatever it is, right?
You have these inner parts. So the guy who developed it,
who's a renowned psychologist, wrote a best selling book in the
(35:32):
80s called No Bad Parts and likea clinical psychologist PhD,
like not like a woo woo new age guy, right, Right.
Which I bring that up for a reason because he, he gets
weird. Yeah.
And this is what I'm curious about.
So so he comes up with this whole, the whole therapeutic
thing. It's hugely successful.
He's working with serial killerswho are in prison, with child
(35:54):
pedophiles in prison and all this shit.
And like kind of like that movie, Jennifer Aniston or
whatever, Jennifer Lopez, whoever it was going into the
mind of the serial killer and finding out, oh, shit, there's
deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, horrifically,
demonically injured parts of yourself.
And that's why you're behaving in such this way.
(36:15):
And then essentially is helping fucking serial killers and
pedophiles heal the parts of themselves that want to kill and
rape. It's it's like crazy, like
really intense stuff. This guy has done incredible
work. So he says all of these parts.
Sometimes they're not rational. You know, you have the inner
(36:39):
wounded child who like wants to be held and, and, and taking
care of your entire life. But then that manifests as an
adult. You're not taking care of
yourself. You're bumming money from people
all the time, stuff like that. So he goes it.
It ultimately isn't serving you,but there's a logic to the sense
in that it's trying to help you,just in a maladaptive way.
(37:00):
Right, right. Or someone with anger issues.
You're you're lashing out all the time because you're angry
and that's having a bad impact on your life and the people
around you. But really it's just trying to
give you a sense of safety and okayness.
Yeah, you know that No one's gonna fuck with me cuz I'm so
angry. You know whatever, right?
Right, right. So it goes.
There's a logic to it. The parts are always trying to
(37:21):
to serve you and help you even in, even if it's maladaptive.
Right defense mechanism. Yeah.
So this is where it gets weird because after doing this work
for like 25 years and he's always like, yeah, it's just
part, it's internal. It's it's psychological.
It's just, it's just parts of yourself.
There's no, there's no demons. There's no outside things that
are trying to like control you. He's like, no, this is even at
(37:43):
the level of the serial killer. This is just wounded parts of
you that are trying to sustain you in the world, you know.
OK. And then decades later, he goes,
well, I actually started to realize that there are external
mechanisms, right? Right.
Right. And and it's like, and when
asked like what you know, what are you talking about?
(38:06):
He's like, well, I do think there are like he in the I heard
him on an interview and he goes,he goes, I don't want to scare
people, but he goes, I'm pretty sure that there are like shadow
creatures that can, that can take you over.
And it was like, and, and again,this guy was like clinical
(38:26):
scientific. He's not like a woo woo guy.
He's not like a psychedelic guy,Whatever.
Later he becomes that. But like anyway, that there are
these external shadow creatures that can come into you to demons
exorcisms. He's, he's talking about
inviting the demon in and, and exploding the demon out.
(38:47):
And it was weird. It was like really fucking weird
because he goes beyond psychology into this weird
spiritual realm. So what do you think about?
And he's claiming that in his therapy sessions working with
clients that he's actually seen like, oh, this is not like a the
inner child trying to protect them.
This is like a fucking demon that we need to get out.
(39:08):
Right. So one, I know you, I don't
think you're familiar with this guy's work, but one, does this
sound like someone who just likedrank too much of their own
kool-aid and kind of lost their mind?
Is there some kind of, I don't know, is validity to that?
Do you think that we can take onthis like external objective
evil force that that enters us? Or is it all just psychological
(39:32):
internal? You know what?
What do you think? Right.
So first comment I wanted to make, just back to Marlow real
quick. One of my favorite plays ever is
the The Jew of Malta, which he wrote.
Oh, I haven't read that one. Or and that one crescendos with
(39:52):
them being like boiled in a pot,which is sort of like, my God,
you know, reflected back to the genre thing of the witches, the
pot, the studio. And but it's really a commentary
on religion, on greed. There's like a lot of
Catholicism, Jewishness, you know, hatred between each other
and all that stuff, you know? Anyways, Marlow genius yeah that
(40:17):
being said, this work is interesting.
OK 2 examples right? Cuz 3 examples.
So 1 watch a lot of Y files. So a lot of things that are out
(40:38):
there, including in the CIA documents which they've released
to the public. There's things like remote
viewing and shit that cannot be explained.
Yeah, they but they're literallyit's there.
It's like proof in the pudding. It's happened like they're they
even had they spent millions of dollars in like studies and and
telepathy and shit like, like it's actually there.
(41:03):
Second example example. Remember I was telling you about
that psychologist book I read who studied people who got
abducted or that he there they were his client, his clients,
you know, he was a therapist andfor, you know, decades he only
worked with individuals who got said they were abducted by
(41:24):
aliens. Oh I would love.
That yeah, it sounds so much fun.
I'll. Find it.
It's been a while, but anyways, fucking incredible.
Like findings, you know, Yeah. And most of the time, the
stories could always, like, not the, you know, X amount of
(41:44):
percentage of the time the stories could be validated or
disproven via, like, trauma. Yeah.
They're really just like, you know, getting abused by a
parent, just like, you know, things like that.
That link to that had similar links, You know, a lot of them
whose stories were pretty bizarre and outrageous also had
(42:06):
these things happen to them. Got it.
Traumas, However, not all of them.
And there were, you know, a few studies that this doctor claimed
were essentially like pretty irrefutable.
And they were just normal peoplewithout no criminal background,
(42:28):
no trauma, parents still together, just like happy
families, career driven, like normal people.
Just all of a sudden some crazy fucking abduction shit happened
to them and their lives change like overnight.
And you know, so couldn't completely disprove it.
Final example, there is a book out there, I can't think of the
(42:49):
priest's name, but essentially he was the Pope's exorcist.
And the big quote from the book is, is that 99% of the people
that he visited in Italy, France, around the world, right.
For exorcisms. Yeah.
It was always linked to some sort of like sort of what we're
(43:12):
talking about with your friend, you know, in LA where it's like,
you know, it was like a power ofsuggestion thing.
Or the person was just kind of like crazy, you know, And like,
one thing he would do is like bring a lamb and then like do a
prayer and then shoot the lamb. And then the people would be
like, I'm cured, you know, whatever.
(43:33):
But what, what it was, was like giving them a sugar pill.
Got it. It wasn't an actual anything.
He just knew they were traumatized.
However, the big quote is, is 99% of them, he could prove
we're not, not real team in possessions, but 1% were.
And he was absolutely positive that they were.
(43:53):
Yeah. And this is a man who spent 60
years doing this. Right, right, right.
So so all that being said, sort of harkening back to the
original 1 where we started, if somebody told me, you know, if
it if it was like a roulette board, yeah, red, black or
(44:17):
green, not demons. Inner demons definitely demons
like exterior like 4th dimensional demons.
Like these creatures outside of us?
Yeah. For me, it would probably be
green and not red or black, which is like 40 percent, 40%,
OK, but it's not not on the board.
(44:38):
You got it got. It you know what I mean?
Like I think yeah, yes, there islike a 10% chance that you know,
and the ball often it lands on green, you know, so you never
know. So that's basically where I'm at
at this point. I think when I was younger, I
was so driven after leaving the like childhood religion cult,
(44:58):
right, to be rational, to be scientific about it.
But that what happens is that leads you into believing
everything that's rational and scientific and then you find out
stories, yeah, that rational science can't disprove.
Yeah. So what happens then?
You inherently have to acknowledge that it's a
(45:20):
possibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a quote by a scientist, maybe Bill Nye or someone like
that, I don't know, but that he goes if you, if you do an
undergraduate degree in biology,you become an atheist.
If you do a PhD graduate degree in biology, you start to see God
everywhere. Oh my God.
You know, and it's like, that's kind of what you're describing.
(45:40):
There's the like, you know, raised in the church, whatever,
you leave and everything's like,OK, fuck that.
You swing the pendulum to the other side.
Scientific materialism. It's all just a concrete real,
there's a rational explanation for everything, yes, whatever.
And now you're, you know, more life experience and whatever
where it's like, I don't know, God damn, I don't know.
(46:02):
Yeah, Yeah. You know, and that that's sort
of that that's also it too, you know, maturation and maturity
shows you that you can't be so sure, you know, I can't know
where do you fall on the spectrum?
Are you like 10% possibility? Is it more 1% or are you closer
to the 5050 round or are you allin?
(46:22):
There's a fourth dimension, right?
Right. Right.
Sometimes I'm all in. Sometimes I'm like there's some
weird stuff out there, right? Other times I'm 5050, I think
I'm going to I'm going to go 60406040 that there is some
weird. Shit out there.
Nice, nice. You know, because ultimately, I
don't know, you know, and it's like, you know, I don't know,
I'm not a scientist, right? But I do think that there's, I
(46:49):
think there's rhythms. I think there's, I think, I
think our lives could take on a certain kind of momentum.
Like people talk about spiralinginto madness, you know,
spiraling into a depression or something.
There's like this quality of momentum that once you're on a
track, you're kind of almost getting pulled through that
track or, or like, or like rising to the top.
(47:11):
You know that. Kind of thing like like.
Other direction, but there's like a momentum pulling you that
way. Or you know, our lives happen
like where everything bad happens at once.
When it rains, it pours, yes. Or everything's going so well
and you know, you catch a momentum, you catch a vibe, you
know, and then and then I don't know, and then that happens, you
(47:33):
know. So I don't know if like, I don't
know, something happens to my car one day and then I run into
I don't know what, I almost get bit by a shark at the beach.
I don't know, it's just like weird bad stuff keeps happening
over and over again. Is it because I have a demon on
me from my new apartment or something?
Well, maybe, maybe not. I don't know, you know, can it
(47:55):
be helpful even to like externalize it and be like, oh,
I have a demon on me. So now if I get rid of the
demon, I'll be good and. Placebo effect deliberately.
Use the placebo effect on myself.
Yeah, sure. You know.
Because what's happening is you're uncomfortable.
You got to change the situation.You can.
Use the external to as motivation and then just like
(48:15):
quickly to you that it. It's interesting to think then
how a demon can also be viewed as something positive.
Yeah, a driver of raw humanity, right.
That we often times have abandoned via, you know,
whatever the demon inside, you know, guys got a demon inside.
You know, the high school here, they're called the Santa.
(48:36):
Wait, actually. Yeah, that's really weird.
Yeah, a lot of schools, right, like Arizona states the Sun
Devils, you know, and they have a demon with the pitchfork, you
know, and it's also sort of likerepresentative of, of motivation
perhaps, you know, like somebodywho's driven.
One time where I saw you got another minute.
(48:59):
Yeah, OK. One time where I saw like I'm
like, I was like there's a fucking teeth.
I worked with this kid at the high school who.
Yeah. Clearly some serious.
Right, right, right. Trauma, whatever.
I mean, you know, obese and sometimes just had that look in
his eye where he was just like, like dude, where the fuck?
Are you right now just, like, scary?
(49:20):
Yeah, Yeah. Uncomfortable to be around, you
know, just like kind of scary. What?
And, and my heart goes out to him because whatever shit this
kid went through was a lot, right?
And he was like, and, and I was trying and he was illiterate,
you know, and I'm like, you know, he's like 15.
And I was trying so hard to justget him to do anything right at
(49:42):
all in school. And and then I was like, what
are you into? And he's like, well, I kind of
like to draw, you know? And I was like, dude, hell yeah,
you know, and I'm an artist. So I was like trying to connect
with them at that level. And so I was like, OK, well, I
can't force you to do work rightnow.
You know, it's like yell at you,give you detention, kick you
out. You're not going to do shit
(50:03):
regardless. So I just want to see you do
something. Here's a paper and a pencil.
Just do some drawing, dude. Like, let's let's start from
there, you know? And the shit that this kid Drew
was so fucking scary. Like demonic bro.
There's no other way to say it. It's like, what's his name on
Chuck a lot. Oh yeah, just just scary.
(50:28):
Just. And he wasn't, it's not like he
was a good artist drawing pictures of Satan or something.
That would have been kind of funny.
It was just like fucking him, like scratching at the paper
just end or fear. I was like, and then I'd see
these and I was like, I got to burn that shit because I don't
want it on my desk. It's scary.
I don't want this here. So, you know, so I think, I
think energy gets expressed through the art that people
(50:50):
make. If you look at someone's art,
you could get a really good sense of who they are and where
they're at. Yes, I saw this, kids.
If I didn't see a demon, I saw avery, very, very injured
individual, sure, with a lot of fucking anger and shame and
fear. And then there's a lot of
artists that try to mimic that, you know, sort of like darkness
or blackness, you know, But you mean them.
(51:10):
They're actually pretty cool. Sure.
Yeah, like like horror writers and and metal musicians.
All this stuff and like, but then the dark Arts comes down to
it, I do want to say, but how itcame back to the Makano pod?
What scares me is that I think there's something like demonic
in the bourbon, in the definition of the word that, you
(51:32):
know, something scary that we can't control.
Yeah. In the cosmos, out there in
space. Yeah, space scares the shit out
of me. You know, we're rolling around
in this freaking globe around the sun can get pelted by like,
island size rocks and stuff. There's there's black holes.
There's different dimensions. But.
(51:52):
Right, Right. That's just scary, yeah.
You know, it's absolutely insanethat any of us keep a rational
fucking state of mind in this place, you know, that we live
in. So, so there's also sort of like
a cosmic evil you. Know totally, totally.
Other thing I wanted to know wasso this goes deep, right?
(52:13):
This sort of like bad luck thing, right?
The demon hovering, this can go really dark.
Like there is this family in thechurch that we grew up in and
one of them, two of them, like the grandma and grandpa, were
one of the original, like, witnesses ever, right when it
(52:34):
first started. And they, like, were then the
first meeting of Gilead, they call it, where it's like The
Pioneers, you know, in New York and shit like that.
And they were anointed, too. So they would drink from the
wine. They were one of the 144,000
that would go to heaven and serve with Jesus as kings and
Queens. Oh, yeah.
And heaven, right. Love that.
(52:55):
Yeah. So the Son, he becomes an elder
too, goes as a missionary, meetssome like South American hottie.
They they start pioneering together, missionaries.
They have like 4 kids, right? So they're in our Kingdom hall.
So anyways, the parents died, the grandparents, OK.
(53:17):
And there's was a conspiracy that sort of within the family
that then Satanus had it out forthem, right, Dude, Mom dies of
cancer. Oh God.
Like 6-6 to nine months later, the dad starts having like,
really bad stomach pains issues,like, you know, using bathroom.
(53:40):
He dies of polyps, cancer on thebutt.
Freaking four months later, the first daughter dies, breast
cancer. And then they're all like,
uncorrelated forms of cancer. Yeah, three months later, the
other sister dies of cancer. Holy.
Shit. Some crazy freaking neck thing
(54:03):
and then I think the last one just like it lived a little bit
longer but is either still aliveor died as well.
It's just so crazy how that could be like is that simple?
Simply just bad luck, coincidence or is something like
cosmically like bad happening tothem or did they live in like a
(54:28):
lead pot? That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, Was deteriorating who? Knows what everybody can, and
this is real. This has happened in New Mexico
and probably still happens. Is their uranium buried, you
know, 20 feet from their neighborhood?
Dude, I could be. We used to clean this account.
I don't even want to say their name because I'm afraid I'll get
(54:48):
freaking assassinated in the dark Wi-Fi style.
But they had they rent a huge bit property and building and
they pay security to live there 24 hours a day and it's been
closed for almost 2 decades. Yeah, what's in there?
And the reason is because they have a bunch of lead, one weird
cleaning it out. The scientist came out with a
(55:09):
block of lead and he's a look athow crazy this is.
And he could barely carry it andhe threw it on the ground and it
just mushed like peanut butter, weird and took a different form.
It was so weird. Well, anyways, they made like
the, you know, uranium, nuclear,whatever things for the Humvees
(55:33):
in Afghanistan. Oh, wow.
So they have all kinds of nuclear waste in the ground.
Just here in town, they grow. It in the ground and they'll
never clean it out because it'llcost way more.
So now it's just poisoning all freaking Airport Road and nobody
knows about it. Crazy.
First Reformed. Yeah, Yeah, it's the same.
Yeah. And then one more thing came to
(55:56):
mind, too. I mean, historical demonism,
too. I mean, like, I saw a museum
exhibit in Denver that was about, I think it was called
the, well, whatever it was a it was a Native American massacre,
right, where Union soldiers camein and all the men were out
hunting. And it was just old people,
(56:17):
women and children, a lot of them sick because there was a
smallpox infection going around and all these soldiers just came
in and freaking lit these peopleup crazy, right?
And which one? How do you do that?
How do you have the heart to do that to, you know, talk about
like Holocaust style shit? How do you do that to their
stories of like taking like it'shard to even say taking like
(56:41):
little native kids and like being like using them as target
practice, being like, go, run, go run.
And then all these like freakingdrunk ass soldiers are like
shooting at them, laughing crazy.
And so that stuff, you know, Vietnam War stuff, like crazy,
crazy, crazy shit where it's just like, how can people do
that? And then with this, this
(57:01):
massacre from the 1800s and around the Denver area, there
was one guy, 1 soldier, right? It was like a battalion of like
50 dudes or something, right? And this one soldier had a
conscience and was like, holy shit, I can't believe this
happened. I need to report this to my to
my superiors, right? So they finish up their
(57:23):
expedition, whatever, go back into town and this guy goes
right to his superiors, the general, whoever it was, and
reports like there was this fucking massacre.
It wasn't a battle. They're going to tell you it was
a battle. It wasn't a battle.
All the men were out hunting. This was sick old people and
children that they massacred ruthlessly, you know?
(57:43):
So he reports it, the general just like ignores it.
And then this dude gets freakingassassinated on a city block in
Denver the very next day. And it's just like, what the
hell do you? And this is all written down.
I mean this is. Right, this is, you know
they're. Photos of these people, all of
it. Captain Olgren, you know, Tom
Cruise, Last Samurai, That's hisPTSD.
(58:06):
Right. That's right.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Tom Cruise was there and then he
flew out to Jazan, you know. Which is good for forgiveness
and I like too that forgiveness is is anti demonic.
Yeah. And like, holding hatred and
grudges and all this stuff is part of evil, you know, And
(58:27):
letting go, being the naturalist, caring for your
environment, the things we put in our body, all this stuff,
this is peace, this is God, thisis happiness, right?
This is longevity. On behalf of the Jareds, thank
you for listening. Great.
Follow and tell your friends volume 2 of the Demon Pod will
(58:51):
be released tonight. And always remember, we are each
our own devil and we make this world our hell.
Have a great morning.
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