Demonic Dusk

On the second volume of the Demon pod, the Jare/ads will discuss Demonization. Annabelle. Demonphilia. Dancing with the Devil. Commodification. Medieval times, and much, much more. Sed libera nos a malo, amen.

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Episode Transcript

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I listen to Creed, bro, I listen.
To lady make a bath is telly kill it God fuck.
Right. Yeah.
And this thing's all scarred up where the water hit it.
It's just like crazy fucking shit, you know, like really

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weird, magical thinking, demonicsort of stuff.
Good evening. My name is Maria.
Welcome to Jared. To Jared.
On the second volume of the Demon part, the Jareds will
discuss demonization, demon filia, dancing with the devil,
commodification, medieval times,and much, much more, said Libera

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no Samalo. Amen.
The demon part of volume 2. Volume 2.
John Carpenters. Oh yeah.
Oh. Yeah, and Wednesday, Adams just
walked past my house. That was weird.
A little bit frightening. I think I've seen like 4 people
walk down your block in the pastfour years.

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This is a good ambiance. We should have set up the camera
for this episode. Yeah, this is nice, the
lighting, the candle. Right.
Yeah, the topic. The topic.
Yeah. So after doing the day pod,
yeah, On, on, on Dimanis, Yeah, we had seemingly, we had a lot

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more to say. We were like Ethan Hawke.
Oh yeah. Wandering through the desert.
Think I left the devil? I left and we were both driving
I think and like I looked at my phone and I was like this dude
literally just sent me a whole paragraph about about demon
ideas like 3 minutes after I left.
I was like, all right, we still.Completely kissed as soon as we

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left. I was like, oh man, this thing,
that thing picked up Dalton. I was like, get in here, choke a
lot. Sweets Dalton's just like
you're. Talking about you're scaring me,
you're scaring me. Why are you talking about this?
See, that's the other thing though is 111 like reason why I

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think so departed another reasonfrom actual demons, right?
And this sort of like romanticization, dramatization
of actual like demonic occurrences happening like, you
know, the 4th dimension, the objective.
Right. Right.

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I was a 90s kid. You don't.
You're like not nurtured to believe in evil.
I watched like cartoons my wholelife, went to Disneyland.
Like Serial had targeted ads. That was like, you know, RC
trucks and like candy and stuff like that, you know what I mean?

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I don't know, like 90s culture was Nickelodeon.
It was so far departed from like, traditional Catholic evil,
you know? Yeah, well, look at it this way
at. Least the vision that they were
trying to sell everyone. Yeah, yeah, We'll look at it
this way. The the 90s was the peak of
Western civilization, right? The peak of scientific

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materialism, right? Right.
And then the 21st century Twin Towers fell, and that was a
gateway. Yes.
Right. That was a gateway into the
underworld, right? Right.
I believe that so. Oh, we're in full agreement.
Yeah, yeah, we're well, look at this.
OK, but yeah, let's let's go into a childhood memories,

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right? 90s yeah.
You really, you know, cartoons, horror movies, but you're not
like, you know, I, I remember being a little kid and doing
like Bloody Mary in the mirror, you know, and that was scary.
But it was like, you know, it was still, it was fictitious.
It wasn't real, right. And like again, the peak of
Western civilization, scientificmaterialism, and then the towers

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fell, which truly I think was a gateway into the unconscious,
into all the ugly shit that we weren't dealing with, right,
that Western civilization wasn'tdealing with.
That was the gateway into the 21st century, into the shadow
century. Right.
So one thing that's really fascinating is, OK, I'm going to

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kind of go on a tangent, but then tie it, tie it back in.
So when a society starts to collapse, you actually see like
a really significant uptick in spiritual beliefs and spiritual
practices when this when the Soviet Union was was falling or
had just fallen in the 90s, actually, interestingly enough,
like a ton of people in Soviet Russia started practicing occult

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magic and getting into meditation.
And this is documented. I was reading about it and like
this is it's, it's weird, you know, and now and it's because
when institutional structures are falling and people don't
know what to rely on and they feel afraid and uncertain and
unstable, they start grasping atthe other realm, at the
spiritual right. So I'd say, you know, hopefully

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we're not, you know, in the samestate as like post Soviet Russia
in the 90s. But I mean, our society is
definitely feels like it's buckling a pretty significant
amount. And we're also seeing people go
deeper into like astrology again, like in the 90s astrology
that was like weird, that was like the weird hippie kid who

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like did too much acid. Who's into astrology?
You know, it's like that one person in your, in your high
school was into it. Sure.
Now it's like everyone, you know, I feel like everyone is
all about astrology and about like new agey ideas and stuff
like that. And I would, I would even argue,
here's where I'm tying it back. The first real contact I had

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with bizarre New Agey ideas and a sort of magical reality was
911. Because I remember that shit
fell right. And then all these kids, I don't
know if this went on here, like I remember this one kid comes up
to me and he has a like $10.00 bill and he goes, hey, look,
when you fold it a certain way, it looks like the twin towers on

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fire. And it's, and it's true.
It's weird. It's like and I was like, what
the? Hell, that's the magic.
Yeah, that one and then? That was like a part of the
culture because of the the deficit I was. 9 when this was
going so 9 year olds were like oh look if you fold this dollar
bill it looks like the twin towers exploding.
I remember having dreams this this came up, I was talking.

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Like collective trauma? Right.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I remember having dreams. I was in New York last week
talking to a friend, and 911 came up and I remembered I had
nightmares about plane crashes following 911.
I was a little kid. So yeah, there was a collective
trauma thing. And then I remember even people
saying that if you look at, like, this one certain clip of

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the smoke going up and then, like, paused it at the right
time, you would see Satan's facein the smoke like crazy fucking
shit. You know, like, really weird,
magical thinking, demonic sort of stuff.
So I think when a society is stable, you know, we're, we're

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good. We're, we're scientific
materialism, we're good. You know, However, when the
society starts to buckle, that'swhen you start to see the demons
come out. Right, right.
And what happened? It was sort of a demonic act
that brought out this collectiveenergy.

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Yeah, sort of. The village even came together,
the peaceful, you know, they call it like the the first like,
time of contemporary unificationin the country.
There was no, like, interesting Democrat, Republican.
Everyone was American. Everyone was American.
Yeah, Creed was playing the greatest halftime show at the
Cowboy Stadium. Scott's tap flying with the

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wings. You know, freaking Creed.
Played the halftime show that. Yeah, yeah.
Well, like 2003 a couple years later, but they like still, they
brought out the flag. It was like a huge deal, you
know, football was booted back, like America's back.
Yeah. But what happened was the start
of the longest war, you know, ever.

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And if I'm sort of thinking about the archetypes of the
demon of the devil, right, Yeah.What about sort of myth,
mythological demons or, you know, Roman Greek mythology and
sort of how they would actually,instead of targeting one person

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sort of in this Catholic way, gopossess some girl in the
suburbs. You know, they feast on things
like war and, you know, the God of War, the demon of war, who,
you know, is just like, feastingin the bodies, all these crazy
Renaissance dark, Renaissance medieval paintings.
Yeah, just like demons, like eating the bodies of soldiers

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and shit like that. It's fucking gruesome, you know?
Right, right there. Yeah.
There's some wild paintings fromthat era, right?
Really wild stuff. Oh, and then we we say like the
Dark Ages, right? Yeah.
While a lot of our movies, fucking media, culture, all that
shit, the devil is associated with the medieval period, right?

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Yeah, so many times. Do we have, you know, the
fucking demon in the village? Oh yes, that even in fairy
tales, the brothers and you know, all this stuff.
There's so many medieval paintings and wood carvings and
etchings and shit like that that's just like dancing
skeletons worshipping demons andit's like fucking crazy.

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There's like a ridiculous amountof medieval demon art, right,
Right. Like a ridiculous amount of
gargoyles. Yeah, yeah, it's banned from
where it's from all. What was going on then?
You know? It's the Dark Ages, the plague,
you know, political instability.OK, so this kind of gets to to
like false demonization is one thing I was thinking of, right?

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Demonization. We didn't even.
Yeah, beautiful. So let's kick it.
In the medieval times, a lot of times, demonization, I'm even
thinking like the Salem witch trials.
Yeah. Is used to push a normative
agenda. Great.
Yeah. And So what does the demon
become? Back to FICO, yeah, sort of this
panoptic person within your lifethat forces you to self

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surveillance, self regulate yourself, you know, punishing
yourself, this and that. Yes, yeah.
So you can serve, you know, a larger master which could be,
you know, organized really whatever they can do, whatever
they. Right.
Yeah. Right.
That's great. I mean, yeah, play times, self
flagellating, you know, that came, that was that practice, if

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you want to call it that, developed during plague times
because there's all these peoplethinking God is punishing us
with the plague. So if we punish ourselves first,
that will make God happy. And she like she doesn't need to
punish us anymore, which is fucking crazy.
Well, and then a lot of the like.
So it's interesting to think of the church as a means of not

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regression, which they're often seen and are guilty of, of
humankind. Yeah, but progression.
So a lot of like, the demonic things that were, you know,
labeled evil, Yeah. Were actually worked to protect
the species in some way, like during the plague.
You know, I think a lot of the church was like, all right, it's

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fucking a sin to like not bathe yourself eventually and shitting
in the streets and stuff. Of course they probably took
part in all this stuff as well but yeah, you know what I mean.
I think what all cultures use the demon, the devil, Yeah,
Native American. And we're bringing up sort of
like the skin Walker thing as well, right?

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You had another one. Tribal stories, Native American
Catholicism, Buddhism, whatever it is, it's really just like a
warning, right as well, right? Sort of.
Don't do this. Stay away from that part of the
woods. If you wander away from the
tribe, you're gonna die. You know, the demon wolf is

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coyotes gonna eat you. Yeah.
Yeah. While these are like fable
stories to keep us safe, especially during hunter
gatherer times. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a quality of of control there, Social control, right,
right. Creating a demon in order to
create social control, right. And then that that begs the
question, what are the demons today?

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You know, right. Who are the demons today?
And there and there's so many figures.
I mean, OK, the child pedophile,Epstein Diddy, you know,
whatever. All these like the this elite,
elite cabal of, of fucking horrible, horrible people,

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right, right. I mean they're the demons,
right? Right.
Well depend. I mean I guess it's whatever
conspiracy there. Cuz for some people like
liberals are and the Clintons are the demons for other people.
Trump is the demon for other. People, this is the demonization
thing, you know, Yeah, right. It just sort of.
Used the scapegoat. How's the way to push your own

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agenda? Right, right.
You know, whether it be political or personal.
Yeah, even just like, oh, she's a whore, you know, or he's a,
he's just a bastard liar this year, like demonizing the person
you know, either correctly or falsely because you just feel
rejected and your ego was shattered.
You know, interesting. Sort of thing.

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So it's an interesting like sociological tactic that we use.
Yeah, also, and I think that's something to be aware of is
like, you know, yeah, test straight from that sort of
behavior, you know? Yeah.
Or know it when you see it at least.
Right. Do demons come up?
Do demons actually come up in the Bible?

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They do, yeah. They do.
I can't think of any Bible stories that have a specific
demon. Right.
I mean they are mentions though.They're mentioned.
Yeah. Satan, like Satan, doesn't come
up that much in the Bible. Not too much.
Yeah, it's not till later that that figure gets like really
fleshed out, right. But the one the Book of Job

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where God makes a wager with thedevil, which is such a weird
story too, you know? Right, right, right.
The. Devil goes hey, look at your man
job, you know, you think. Satan's back and they're
wagering. Yeah, yeah, loves you so much,
but I bet you if you took all his wealth and everything else.
Our story. Will curse you, right?
And. God goes all right, let's give
it a shot. It's like easy, sounds like

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pretty good money. He's like, no, I never bet on my
subjects. 2 to one odds. God, yeah, yeah.
Nah. 5 to 1. Nah, tend to 1.
All right. Yeah.
All right, listen, you're on good story.
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.
Well, OK. So another thing I was thinking
about is pandemonium back to theetymological, which we were

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talking about. Yeah.
And there's a dance troupe here in Santa Fe.
All right. Yeah, 4.
Kids, like that's called pandemonium, right?
And also there's all kinds of blue Hass in Santa Fe.
So who knows? That could be ran by like some,
you know, devil worshippers, some witches, some freaking up,
you know, Robert Eggers characters.

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No, they seem to be nice. But The thing is, is that I was
thinking about the roots of dancing as well.
Footloose, the movie Footloose and shit.
It's like demonized often times in dancers dancing.
Oh, right. But yeah, like when you have
like Calvinism and shit, like dancing's the same.
Right, right. And then and then like the dance

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fever, a lot of people said theywere possessed, right?
Which led me into, OK, back to categories of what's demonic.
OK, so what's dance self-expression?
Yeah. You know, it's non normative,

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like body movement, placement, and you're like going with like
music that may be chaotic for somebody, you know, so.
And it's also like it can be seductive.
It's indulgent, you know, music,which led me to sort of chock a
lot and eating the chocolate, you know, and the whole town,

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they demonize her, Right, Right.Right.
For making the town's chocolates, Right.
Yeah. But really, it's just demonizing
our own, you know? Right.
Desires and seductions. Right.
And there's a lot of demonic culture.
I mean, I think of of social media data collection, the way

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in which social media is used tomanipulate behavior and all.
I mean, I think of that as demonic, right?
Right. Or at least just really shitty.
Sure, which goes back to the like global evil.
Right, right, the global. Evil.
The Zuckerberg, the government, right?
Exactly. Yeah, the shadow government.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and then of course you were talking about daemophilia.

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Yeah, the love of the demon, right?
The monophilia, right? Can you say more about that?
Well, cuz you sent me that text where you're like, look, there's
all these names of, of sports groups or teams and I don't
know, just whatever bands, musicians, whatever it is.
It's just, it's literally everywhere.

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You can see it everywhere in theculture.
Sure, you know, sure. I called my sister earlier and
we were chatting on the phone and I was like, do you believe
in demons? Yes, and she.
Just she made me laugh. She just goes, she was like,
yeah, one lives in my town. I was like, what are you talking
about? She goes, you know, The
Conjuring. Have you ever seen that one?
The doll, Annabelle, Right? So this fucking doll, like the

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actual doll that the movie was based on, lives in my sister's
town. Yeah.
Like the the people who, you know, the demon hunters who, who
went to the house and, like, took the doll and like, put in a
glass case and were like, don't ever let this thing out.
Their house is in my sister's town and the Annabelle doll is

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locked up in a glass aquarium. And some YouTube ghost hunter
dude. Did you hear about that
recently? What went and saw the Annabelle
doll? Yeah, bought the house.
Fucking no. Like this YouTube went and saw
the Annabelle doll, fucking diedwhat, like 12 hours later?

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Are you serious? Yeah.
Mysterious gods it's fucking. Shit.
Well apparently these these other youtubers are whoever they
are bought by, bought the house and are turning into a museum
anyway. So de Monophelia, it's a real
thing, you know, like you could ask anyone, Hey, have you heard
of, you know, a band, a sport, asports team, a what's a what's a

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local story that involves a demon?
People love it. There is something thrilling to
it. You know the dark side, you know
there's something thrilling to it.
Well, then, of course there is devil worship.
Yeah, which is one of the oldestreligions in the world, the
Wiccan sort of religion, you know, And what is that as well?

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That sort of fight back against using the light for evil.
Yeah. Which I think a lot of these
groups see falsehood in common. Organized religion.
Yeah. But yet they still have like
sort of this rebellious con to be like, fuck you, you know, I'm
going to serve this. But The funny thing is to me

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with those religions is it's like, but you're still
acknowledging a Christian. You're still Christian.
Yeah, yes. If you're a Satanist, you're
still Christian. Christian.
Yeah. You're just doing the the other
side of the binary. Be more creative.
Exactly the lacticist you know. Exactly.
Huh. Yeah, devil worship though, and
it seems to me based on like Doctor Faustus stories like

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that. Sell your soul to the devil,
Lucifer Adorned and all the jewels of the world, all that
kind of stuff. You are getting something from
it. There's something like
seductive, interesting, compelling riches.
We're talking about this on the day pod.
And so I kind of get it, you know, I sort of understand it

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and understand. Oh, wait, I can get everything
I've ever wanted, right? Would you like butter?
You know, right. Yeah.
It's that whole whole thing. The witch.
Yes, yes, back to the witch. Sign here and then you'll get
all the worldly desires you know.
Black Phillip, Yeah. Yeah, that was the story that I
wanted to share too. So I have this book of Celtic

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mythology, right, right. That Anastasia got and it's got
this one story called The Black Lamb.
It's like a page long story and the Black Lamb, it's the
Antichrist, you know? It's so Jesus is the Lamb of
God, you know. So black sheep.
Yeah, exactly. So the lamb, this, you know,

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these Irish people in the countryside, like the 1600s,
right? This black lamb strolls into
their house one day and it's gotscars all over its body.
It's fucking terrifying, right? Oh fuck.
Wait, let me go back a couple steps.
I skipped A crucial piece of information.
We we need. That all right, so anytime they

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would dump the pail of water at the end of the night, they did
their cooking, they did their bathing and they're dumping out
the water outside. They have to call out to the
spirits, you know, watch out, I'm dumping water because if
water in that leaf system gets on a spirit, it injuries them,
right, Kind of like witches can't touch water, that sort of
thing. So they actually say, you know,

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watch out and throw the water. So this old farmer forgets to
say watch out, right. And then here's the water splash
on it and on something like an object.
And but he doesn't see anything there and he's like, what the
hell? So then later that night he's
trying to sleep and then at the foot of his bed is just a black
lamb, you know, and he, it turnson the Lantern and lights a
flame. It's just like, and this thing's

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all scarred up where the water hit it and it's just like, so
then they take this black lamb and they're like, first they try
and just fucking push it out, you know, just like get out of
here and just throw it, you know, like grab and throw it.
They're freaked out, throw them out the house, right.
But the very next night, the lamb is still there, right.

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So then they're like try and kill it and they drag it outside
and dig a grave and bury it, youknow, But then the next night
the lamb is there yet again, just staring at them, right.
So then they're like, OK, maybe if we welcome the lamb in, maybe
if we just sit here, maybe if wejust sit here with the lamb and

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see what happens. And then the lamb's just hanging
out and hanging out and hanging out and not leaving.
So that finally they invite a priest in to, to do the exorcism
and then the lamb finally leavesand they even dig up the grave
the next day and there's no evidence of of a lamb ever
having been there, You know, butwhat I loved about that story,

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bring it back to the, the parts therapy, internal family systems
thing, symbolic parts of ourselves.
If you try and push it away or cut it out, kill it and bury it
in the backyard, it just comes right back.
It comes right back if you invite it in, but just like kind
of keep it too close, then it's like it's just it's going to

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live in your house, It's going to live, it's never going to
leave. So what you need to do is like
sit with it and allow almost accept and allow that it's
there. Right.
But then also take the actions to clear it out, you know?
Right. Even ask it for it for
forgiveness for pouring water onit or.

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Whatever. Right, right, right.
But even that's like the in thatculture, demons and spirits were
so interwoven into the culture that it was if you don't say the
right thing when you're cleaningup at the end of the night,
you're going to get a demon in your house.
It wasn't just a story. People believed that.
Sure, you know. Which OK, do you think that it's

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a good thing that we're so now departed from that culture of
traditions? That's a great.
Question of superstitions, even.We've let them go.
The new generation isn't even aware of the black cat or
walking under ladders or, you know, any of that sort of old

(25:24):
lore anymore, you know, Is theresomething lost there?
Are we now unprotected because we don't have the Celtic gods
with us, you know? OK, well, let me ask you this.
For millennia, right, people were making daily sacrifices to

(25:44):
the spirit realm, the gods, to the goddesses, to the demons
even, right? Appeasing them, right?
Feeding them? Sure.
Right. You would actually leave a
little bit of your food and you'd dump out a little bit of
water. You would, you would feed them.
You'd show some sign of reverence and respect, right?
And scientific materialism peaked in the 90s.

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And then we entered the shadow realm.
We stopped feeding the spirits and the spirits got mad and are
now demanding attention. Right, right.
Right. You know, so if that's true, if
that's true, then yeah, we, we messed up.
We went in the wrong direction. And actually those older

(26:29):
generations had it more correct.Sure.
Yeah, so. I don't know, I'm kind of
thinking too. I'd like this idea of of
thinking of of the mythological gods of mythology, Roman, Norse,
even Greek. None of them were pure gods in

(26:51):
the sense of the Christian senseof a God.
Yeah. None of them were pure of heart
or soul necessarily. Yeah.
Zeus, dude was corrupt. Yeah.
Yeah. Freaking.
You know, a tradies, you go downthe line, all of them, you know,
Athena was lustful, all this stuff.
Sure. No, none of them were.

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You know the list goes on, right.
There were all this combination of light and darkness, you know,
and what they were though is definitely departed from
humankind. Yeah.
You know, so that being said, atthis point, we're at a we're at

(27:33):
a new place in our society wherewe've never had the most amount
of people that are non religious, you know, right.
So we're not engaging with thoseold traditions in terms of
worshipping this ideological evil the the ideal.
So I'm sort of thinking what youmentioned in the Jared to Jared

(27:57):
Ether. Yeah, where you said that we're
coming to this phase where it's like a blending together the
old. And Oh yeah, I remember this,
Yeah. Present, right?
Yeah, and I think that's sort ofwhat's happening.
Is, is, is so much so is the devil red and the God black of

(28:18):
blue or black or white and black, right.
That's a duality. Now we have none of those
things, and we can't reflect closer on what's evil and what's
good, and now they're just starting to blend together into
this weird. Right, right, right.
Exactly. And once that light river gets a

(28:42):
few drops, you know of the evil.I think it just really corrupts
the river, you know? I don't know, I think Mordor is
spreading. Right, right.
What do you think? Couple things so one.
Unless we're coming to a crescendo of a beautiful like
submersion of good and evil. Like the synthesis, the holy

(29:04):
synthesis. Yeah, could be, could be.
So one, the way we're doing things, as far as we know, is
radically different from the waythings have been done for
100,000 years of human history, right?
As far as we know. I mean, we can't really trace
back. We don't know what was going on

(29:24):
The I think it's like 40,000 years ago.
We were not too sure, you know, of what human culture looked
like. Is it possible that there was a
hyper advanced culture that roseand fell in that time?
Yeah, it's possible, but I'm going to assume probably not.
I'm going to say that we were pretty much, you know, just
nature dwelling people, hunters,gatherers, agricultural,

(29:49):
agriculturalists, demon worshipper is for 100,000 years.
And this is new. What we're doing, what we've
been doing for the past 2-3 centuries, totally, totally,
totally, totally new. So then the hubris, talk about
pride again, for our culture to look back and say people
hundreds of years ago, thousandsof years ago, had no idea what

(30:13):
was going on. Look how advanced our
civilization is. We figured it out.
We figured it out, which is 1 there's freaking lead in the
water like you were saying right?
Did we figure it out? Did we really you know, did we
really So whatever pro positive negative, I don't know right
wrong. I don't know, but we are doing

(30:33):
something. This is this is a severe
derivation from anything that has happened in human history
before, right, Right. Severe, Right.
Right. So we don't know what's going
on. No one knows what's going on.
The Earth itself doesn't know what's going on.
Right, Right. So that's number one.
Yeah, just a quick comment back on that.

(30:55):
It's pretty daunting too, when you look at the time spectrum.
Oh yeah. Of humanity, yeah, which at this
point could be more than you know, I don't know, 20,030
thousand 50,000 They don't even know anymore how old the
humankind is, right. It's pretty daunting to see

(31:15):
where we even trackable history to the beginning of the Egyptian
Empire, right? Yeah.
Their level of like the way thatthey live, their religions,
their understanding of demons and yeah.
And the integration of such fooling them, right.
With your fake heart, heart, youknow, the the Escara part, you

(31:38):
know, to get into the get into the fields of Elysium or
whatever have you, right? Yeah, Yeah.
But all the way up until the architecture, all this stuff,
very primitive. Not necessarily the Egyptians,
but, you know, I'm talking aboutfucking computers and shit.
Yeah. Right.

(32:00):
From technology when that happened to now.
It's crazy. It's like a blip in the
timeline. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And it's almost like some sort
of bothered influence on humankind that we made such a
crazy jump. Oh, it's ridiculous.
It makes no sense. In fact, you know, there's

(32:21):
probably Wi-fi's episode on it, back to AJ and Hecklefish, but
there's a few episodes on like, you know, key pivotal sort of
alien encounters. You know, like Roswell.
Yeah. And then shortly thereafter,
fiber optic cables like become available and like all this
crazy, this crazy, like leap, you know, in humanity, which I

(32:44):
think also happened during the Egyptian times as well.
The empire was pretty like significant, you know?
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.
Not necessarily, you know, question there, but just to
comment on. It's pretty like wild, you know,
which makes me think then demonic or the devil or evil

(33:07):
could also be used in a way as aterm to explain the
unexplainable. Yeah.
You know, like, so let's go to Mark Twain.
Oh, fucking Sammy Clemens. You know, King Arthur's Court in
Connecticut, Yankee and King Arthur's Court, you know, they
thought he was a magician or, you know, and some of them

(33:28):
thought he was the devil, whatever.
All he had was firecrackers and like some stuff from the 19th
century, right? It's sort of also this way to
explain things we just don't simply understand, you know?
And even like my, I've talked about him with my dad.
Just like who knows what the religions will say if aliens

(33:48):
were to come. They probably call them demons
because they're afraid they don't understand.
It's not in the Bible. Yeah.
Even though it is the book of Enoch.
But they took that out. So they.
Took that out, yeah. And you know, there are these
things because there was. OK Darwin came up with the
theory of evolution and some other guy, forget his name, just

(34:09):
stumbled upon this. And see, when I was at UNMI, was
just exploring the library and just took out this random book.
It was flipping through and it was all this.
God, I wish I remember his name like Theo Marshall or something.
But same time, same era as Darwin, and he was also this
anthropologist and he was just kind of a crazy person, like

(34:29):
just no money and just like wandered off into South America
and started documenting a bunch of stuff, Right?
Right. And turns out the dude was a
complete genius. Anyway, he and Darwin never met
each other, never had any correspondence.
Yeah, this guy, I'm going to call him Marshall because I
think that was it. Anyway, Marshall and Darwin came
up with the theory of evolution in the same exact year.

(34:51):
They never met. They had 0 correspondence.
They had zero social. Connection, dude, it's crazy if
you jump into it. Every big discovery documented
discovery happened simultaneously.
Yeah, exactly. You're the man.
It's all part of the world. Like the phone, Alexander Graham

(35:11):
Bell and some other dude. Fuck yeah.
Submitted the phone within an hour of each other, never met.
Different states, all this stuff, you know?
Yeah. What the fuck is happening?
Yeah. Jared Did Jared both write a
prologue on the same day and. The Blake is happening the
greatest discoveries, you know, pros dogs ever.
It's crazy. Just so happens another guy

(35:32):
named Jared doing this. So so I don't know.
I'm I'm coming to a place where I also don't like the term demon
in the demon demonization to youknow, because it's it's used as
like a a a a commodified commodification.

(35:53):
It has been commodified for sure.
You know if your high school. Sports team is the Demons.
You know, it's pretty high. School or whatever.
Yeah, it's not that threatening anymore.
Yeah, exactly. You're not gonna be like, oh
God, I can't sleep when it's like, damn the demons tomorrow.
You know, you got to be pretty like gullible to be like that

(36:16):
would be like at this point and demon is like would be afraid of
like a vampires, like actual vampires be like I know there's
could be vampires or witches or something like that.
You know, who knows? Yeah, it's a little silly, yeah.
But they could be. I don't know man.
I've definitely seen some. I've seen some people that were
like, you got a demon in you. I could.

(36:37):
And then I also think that a lotof people who I've seen
throughout my life that were like self-proclaimed Wiccans or
like played around with like, you know, Ouija board or
anything like that, It was either a like a bunch of stupid
high school kids partying, like trying to freak each other.
Out. Yeah, yeah.

(36:58):
Or some kid that was like, sort of this student in your class as
like a cry for help or like, attention.
Yeah. Like, totally, totally.
Oh, look at me. Look how dark I worship the.
Yeah. Like in that I.
Listen to ham and like 9 Inch Nails.
Yeah, It's like, all right, Smashing Pumpkins, if I can calm

(37:18):
down, you know, powder over here.
Yeah. I listen to Creed bro.
I listen to Creed, I'm on a higher level of that so.
Funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So here's a general theory on demons.
OK, I know what you think. OK, one idea, I'd have to Fact

(37:39):
Check this, but Diablo comes from the same root word as
divide, right? The DI Diablo and divide, right?
So devil, Satan, all of that comes back to separation cutting
off, right? And whether or not the root word

(38:01):
that homology is actually there doesn't really matter.
The idea is that Satan is separation.
So you look at the initial storythat there's Lucifer living in
the realm of God, which you could say, let's put a kind of
Buddha spin on. It is unity, oneness, right?

(38:23):
Satan, let's call him Lucifer atthis point.
Lucifer is living in unity with God, in oneness with God.
And then there's that pride and pride itself is separation,
because pride is saying, wait, what about me?
How do I compare to everyone else, right?
So now you get a split. Now Lucifer falls from unity,

(38:50):
from God, from oneness, and now there's duality, right?
Oneness has now split into two, and this gets really Buddhist,
really Hindu. But things began as one and they
split off into two. Now you have dark and you have
light. You have, you know, all the
duality. There, right?
And anytime that there is a demon, what that is, is a cut

(39:16):
off part of, you know, a human being who's been ousted from the
society and gets all fucked up, someone who's been cut off from
their family, all this kind of stuff.
We've talked about how you read a study or something that showed
that people during the Vietnam War, I think it was Native
American veterans came back and the rate of PTSD wasn't as bad

(39:38):
among them because they were welcomed back into these really
strong. Yeah.
Family units, right, Community units, not even just the family.
And it's actually separation itself that is the demonization,
you know, or, or this whole likeparts therapy thing.
It's these exiled pieces of yourself.
And then you go in and you and you embrace it, you know, or

(40:01):
like a. The little kids acting up and
looking for attention, it's because they feel separate, you
know, and you welcome them back in and you, you know, hold them
and hug them and now they're coming down, you know, they're
not acting out so much. I like this.
I like this. You know, and that's sort of,
again, the Buddhist cosmology inHindu too, is that what the

(40:24):
human being is doing to live their best life, to fulfill
their main purpose is to reunifywith God, bring your soul, bring
your spear, whatever, through all these practices back into
unity with God. You need to suture back together

(40:45):
what has been broken, you know, bring the duality back into
oneness. And that is the role of the
human being, that we have the potential to sew everything back
together. Right.
You know, right? The realm of the angels and the
realm of the devils. Right.
Sew it all back together. Bring it back in.
Yes, I. Like that.

(41:05):
So the demon is the exiled separate right force.
Right. Exactly.
And even the, you know, even in like my traditional like
upbringing, Christian sense, which is the same basic story as
the rest of them is, you know, after Armageddon happens, Satan

(41:27):
and his demons will be locked upfor 1000 years, then released
again. And then there'll be like the
sands of the sea. That's the Bible says that the
people that will follow them andthen the end will come.
Then Michael the Archangel Jesuswill come through this sword

(41:47):
fucking reckoning crew and kill them.
Then during unification for the rest of time, Right.
You know, And I also like this sort of divide, right?
This is making me think of another thought.
I was having it while waiting inthe school line possession,
right? You're getting possessed.

(42:09):
Yeah. And if we were sort of on the
same realm of, of SIM, SIM symbolic of the words, right,
The symbolism of it, the sign, right.
We think of possession as something that you can hold
something you can take, right, something that potentially is a

(42:33):
unification, but it's not in this sense because of the El
Diablo, right? The divide, the devil, cause
what are they're actually doing?They're possessing you sort of
like I bought this computer, whatever.
They possess you. And it's an it's a, it's a

(42:54):
unconsensual sort of like, you know, ravishing, pillaging of
the soul of the South. And then you no longer are who
you are anymore, right? You are now this other thing.
But sort of what is this devil sort of trying to do?
Well, it's actually divide, not unify, trying to become one with

(43:19):
you to RIP apart, Right. Yeah.
That's the fear of the possession.
Yeah, Yeah. And that's part of what that ego
mind, the the prideful mind, theLuciferian mind, the part that
sees itself separate. Going back to the CS Lewis
thing, you know, let my will be done that side of us, right?

(43:39):
What does the, I'm going to callit demonic?
Sometimes it's really demonic. Other times it's just like small
demonic. Right, right.
But what to try to do? It tries to to consume and
subsume everything, right? It tries to control.
It wants control over everything.
Right. You know, in the same way that a

(44:01):
demon trying to possess a soul or possess a human wants control
over that human. Right.
You know. Yeah, yeah.
For some reason now I'm thinkingabout like he brought up like
Epstein's island and stuff. Well, anyways, Bill Clinton and
like a lot of other presidents are part of this.

(44:22):
Like this weird club. It's like the Freemasons,
essentially, but it's like the buckwild.
Club. Are you talking about the gold?
Yeah. The yoga, Yeah.
What is it with these like Camp David is societies?
Yes. Is it?
I think it was there or somewhere else in California, I
forget. Yes, yes, there's pictures or
pictures of, yeah, Ronald Reaganworshiping an owl God.
Right, right, like some weird demonic fucking ritualistic shit

(44:46):
going on. And who knows if like some human
sacrifice was done. We will never know We'll.
Never know. We'll never know.
But also the inclination to do so.
Yeah, I think it it's linked, maybe even with power.
Yeah. Going back to the Egyptians, you
know, you actually don't give a fuck anymore.

(45:06):
You're willing to side with one of these gods, one of these
demons to get ultimate power. Oh, yeah, You know, to achieve
the presidency, to become the pharaoh, you know.
Yeah. Yeah, and you do see all these
figures who whose whose lives are terrifying.
You know, celebrities appeal like Diddy, you know, something

(45:29):
like that. You know, hopefully he's like
unique in that role. But apparently freaking all
these other wealthy, rich, famous figures were involved in
this. But it's like, what the hell,
dude? Like, right.
What did you, what demon did youmake a deal with in order to get
that level of wealth and power? Like that's fucking wild.

(45:50):
And then of course, we could like go into these like
contemporary stories. I like like Aleister Crowley and
shit channeling. That's.
Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah.
Freaking weird, like you know man, you we talked about
Aleister one time and we had like counterculture.

(46:12):
So I would think, you know, justlike, and that's another thing.
What it is to what we believe islike demonic evil is just, you
know, a different version of normality, non normative
thinking. Right, right.
Yeah, yeah. Or cultures that were performing
human sacrifice and stuff like that.

(46:34):
It's like it's somar. My God, like, if you could take
a time machine and go see that, that's one of those things where
it's like you just can't conceptualize, you know, just
imagine Apocalyptic. Yeah, exactly.
It's just like this whole, this entire society, that's a blood
cult, like, right. What the hell?
Like, where'd the Aztecs come from?

(46:55):
Like that's crazy. Right.
That's which they probably thinkthat were insane too, just like,
yeah, wars on through the skies and like demon birds, you know,
and like these crazy, like fire bombs that kind of you blow up
whole villages, you know. Yeah, just absolutely insane.

(47:18):
The level of of what that sort of what evil is in this world, I
suppose. Yeah.
You know, but I, I don't know, Ifeel like we covered a lot of
ground, a lot of the worshippingof the owl God and the
Freemasons and all them like, what are they doing?

(47:38):
What are you doing? What is all this like?
That's why I also like to sort of like a Bill Maher rationalist
sort of thinker too, which I am a fundamentally at heart is.
It's all very silly as well. You know, people are like in
pyjama parties, sort of like thinking this stuff is actually
like something. Yeah, you know, even like the

(48:01):
Oracle of Delphi, there's a few few of her prophecies that were
essentially like telling the kings and the Knights you're
idiots for believing in this jargon and different.
Different verbage, right? Right, right.
Like to believe a demon is to believe like a cow or something.
Right, right, right. Yeah, there's something.
Totally. Ridiculous about sacrifice, you

(48:22):
know, whatever. And it but it was actually
saying you're an idiot, don't godo this.
But they'd go do it anyways because they're afraid, you
know? Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
And of and, of course, like modern day religions.
I've seen it in friends of mine that are religious.
It's a fear mongering tactic to keep you in the religion.
Sure. You know, it's like, Oh well,

(48:44):
don't leave, You're going to go to hell.
You don't want to burn for everyday.
Yeah, that's crazy. So you're not giving money, this
one. Well, you know you don't.
You will have fun in the fire, you know.
Yeah. That's wild.
That's absolutely wild, yeah. I don't know final thoughts on
the demo. Well.

(49:11):
I kind of like that it's part oflike even this pod right now,
even like the setting and like over tea and like the freaking
candles or whatever. Like there is like like maybe
because it's commercialized a little bit and it's even like
comedy movies and all that. But there is something like,

(49:32):
also comforting and cozy, sort of like ghost stories around the
campfire, sort of, I don't know,Halloween, right?
Because if you actually think about Halloween according to,
like, Mormons and like, witnesses all year, they're
worshipping the devil, you know?And that is sort of what it is.
You know, That is exactly what it is.

(49:52):
Yeah. But there is, like a tradition
there. There's like a changing of the
guard as well. You know, it's fun.
It's candy. Yeah.
I mean, I had a thought when I was working, when I was working
at that bar, like I had a thought.
So you're playing, I don't know what song it was.
I don't know, some rap song. And I started listening to the
lyrics, like actually listening and no one's listening to the

(50:13):
lyrics and drunk talking, whatever.
And I'm like listening. And I was like, what the fuck?
I was like, this is demonic. It was like terror.
It was the darkest lyrics I'd ever heard.
Weird, like really scary, you know, like fucking chopping up
bodies, raping women and shit. Like crazy, crazy shit.
What? But like a great beat.
I don't, you know, and I was like, whoa, you know, and if you

(50:37):
listen to a lot of popular music, I mean, a lot of it is
incredibly dark, you know, I'm not saying like, you know, start
censoring it or something, but it's like sure.
Like I almost felt like I think it's.
Good to be aware of hearing. What are you consuming,
subconscious? Yeah.
What are you consuming? Like murder podcasts, you know,
or. Something Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. If if every night before you go

(50:58):
to bed, you're watching, you know, whether it's the news or a
or a drama TV show, like fictional show, if you're just
watching people's bodies get torn apart right right before
bed every night. It's like what kind of?
Site or is that gonna create some crazy music just like a
pistol Ponca till your face off each your Buster just like this

(51:22):
is a little bit intense, you know.
Yeah, yeah. So there's something weird to
it, you know? And I do think of America as a
death cult in a way. Right.
Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying that they, the Apocalypto
people need like, hey, we kill acouple people, but you guys,
it's like thousands. That's.
True yeah, we kill like 20 people a month to appease the

(51:44):
gods. You guys are putting lead in the
water and. Freaking lead in the water.
You're freaking blasting people in the streets.
Cops fucking man against man. What is happening?
Yeah. What is bombs warfare, right?
You know, yeah, they'd make a movie about us, right?
Freaked out. Yeah, yeah.

(52:05):
But so think about it too back then, it's not like they were
just killing the blood cult justto kill.
It wasn't just like, that's fucking.
Murder. It was like to for it to rain
and shit for their crops. And sort of such.
Wealth and stuff like, well, according to like their

(52:25):
religious texts, you know, So like, I don't know, it's sort of
harken back to what you're saying where there is often
times a reward for demonic behavior, you know, whether that
be wealth or rain for your crops.
Or like. You know, riches or power,
whatever it may be, there's something that there's an

(52:47):
exchange there selling the soul of the devil.
Hey, here's a question. So the movement of Western
civilization, you see, OK, like the Mongolian Empire, right?
And it moves West and then you see the Roman Empire and then it

(53:09):
moves further West and you see the British Empire and then it
moves West and you see, I'll call it the American Empire.
And now it seems that that's moving West and China's starting
to, you know, take control of a lot of things.
We have no idea what's going on in China.
It's crazy like, so it seems like there is this like westward

(53:30):
turn. It seems like the demon keeps
jumping westward, right? And then in and this isn't like,
you know, I don't want to want this to sound like Buddhist
propaganda or something like that.
It's just just curious. That has generally moved
eastward in its historical expression, like it was in

(53:54):
India, then it was in China and then it was in Japan and then it
was in the US and Europe. So I'm kind of eastward, just
just kind of interesting, but I don't know, is there like the
global demon? Do you think it it's like
stepping stones from one countryto the next?
So. I like that idea.

(54:15):
I do like that idea. I, I think that it could be
argued that the light goes West and east.
So whether that be Buddhist, Tibet, whatever, yeah, Hindu,
but also Jesus and, you know, Muhammad and these sort of
positive light figures in Western religion as well, right?

(54:39):
Yeah. Just like there are Buddhist
demons, Hindu demons, you know, very frightening, freaking, you
know, 8 arms freaking the grudge, you know, that originate
in places like Korea, Japan, youknow, so do I think there is a

(54:59):
global demon there? That's that jumps, yes.
And if you look at the old like samurai empires, the old like
Ming Dynasty, the the TerracottaArmy, right.
There was a lot of the the historians at that time wrote a
lot about demons and the empires.

(55:20):
Really. Yeah.
And like, really like a demon came upon the queen, the the the
God. I wish I knew how to pronounce
it. The Qin, one of the empires, OK,
huge dynasties. And they would.
There's a historian that wrote about this demon that was
invited into the family and tookover the family and all of them.

(55:44):
And that was just one and accepted part.
Of the history, that new dynastycame and got rid of this demon
and blah blah blah. That's so nuts.
Yeah. Imagine if historians now were
were using those terms, you know, Right, Right.
Yeah. So, you know, the the White
House in the 1890s, there, therewas a demon afoot.
And then the next administrationcame in and really made it a

(56:06):
point to clear out the demon before they moved ahead with
their policy making. You know, just like what the.
Right, right payment. Yeah.
Yeah, or like that story. Remember that story I told you
about that one, Friar? Yes, I was thinking about this,
yeah. Yeah, but he like, what was it?
He went out and oh, he went out for an exorcism to exorcise this

(56:30):
demon that was taking over, you know, and came back told
everybody he exorcised the demon.
Everything like that was was fine, you know, got rid of them
freaking brothers, grandma, somehero goes back.
He becomes the Pope. This this.
Oh, right, dude, yeah. And he's the one who started the

(56:52):
fucking crusades in like the most brutal war in the in the
church, church's history, right?While anyways the fucking
Knights Templar went back to that village hundreds of years
later went into that the the house which had a had like a
basement chamber and they found his body with his Bible in a

(57:15):
cage in a bird cage locked up. He had never left.
What the? So they think the demon jumped
in and like recreated him and was the Pope Wilder just made?
Chills, but this Bible locked ina bird cage?
That's fucking crazy. I don't seem.
Imagine if I walked in here one day and you just had a bird cage

(57:37):
hanging from your ceiling with aBible in it.
I'd be like, are you OK? What the fuck did you do?
Right, right, right. Or you have been doing the pod
with me for like 3 years and youcame in and like yeah in the
base and I was like petrified. Yeah.
Yeah, you know, my Beats headphones, you're like, oh God,
it's Jack holding Haggard's leash or something.

(58:00):
Just like, wait a minute, if this is Jared, then who have I
been doing the pod with? Yeah.
Yeah, there's this wonderful, terrible historical account of
this woman who had to have been a sociopath, psychopath,
whatever she was, because she enters a nunnery, enters the
convent, quickly climbs her way to the top of the convent, and

(58:25):
she's having sex with all the nuns and, like, convinces a
bunch of them to kill one of them.
Like, crazy, crazy, crazy shit going on, you know, And it's
like, what the hell? How did, How does this happen?
You know, it's so crazy. Can it always be just chalked up
to insanity, though? I, I just, I don't think so.

(58:47):
Like I think Charles Manson, there are people that are like
inclined. So Manson's an interesting one
too, because according to even the Bible, they there's a
scripture not to do drugs essentially because it opens the
gateway to the devil. Oh, interesting.
I think that's possible an. Altered state of consciousness.
And like their CIA files, they're fucking pumping Manson

(59:12):
with acid, right? Him and his friends, even.
Unknowingly, they would arrest him and then feed him acid in
his water. Yeah, he's been in and now jail
since he was like 15 years old. So it's like this wasn't like a
the sane person right to begin with, this was already someone
with a lot of issues. So was it just the drug going

(59:33):
insane or was it an actual opening of a doorway?
If you're dude I had a friend that did acid and or mushrooms
for like 19 days. And.
He has never been the same. Oh.
Yeah, ever. And like, I remember going over
on like day 12, me and Dionne. Yeah.

(59:55):
And he was like, not OK. He was not a human.
Anymore. No, that's terrifying.
And then like all of a sudden helike jumped over the couch and
like face planted on the carpet luckily, but like really face
plant looked like here and then started swimming.
I was afraid was like, no, I gotta get to shore.

(01:00:15):
I can't get out of here. Oh, man, Just like swimming.
Oh my God. And we're just like what?
The fuck that. Sucks the guy's in the ocean.
He's. Possessed.
He's possessed. So, you know, is that simply
psychosis? Is it biological, kind of like
chemicals flooding your brain? I don't know what it is, you

(01:00:37):
know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Incredible, I mean. Or is it certainly both?
Like because of that biological process, you can then enter this
unholy like 4th dimensional realm.
And sometimes it is like a placeto get to the holy.
But sometimes it leads you to how like we had these mushrooms

(01:01:00):
here in Santa Fe. They call them heaven.
And how? Because you, they either take
you to heaven or they take you to hell.
It was either or. That's.
Terrific. Yeah.
And it's like, are you going to take that gamble?
Exactly. Yeah.
But some people like the gamble and that's part of the
excitement, you know. Oh, man, a friend at the Zen

(01:01:22):
Center says that you could go into some pretty far out sort of
visionary states doing doing theextended meditation and whether
it's just, you know, your mind coming up with shit cuz you're
bored sitting there or whether it's real, you know, I can't say
for sure either way, it doesn't really matter.
But she says that you can go into some really light states

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where you feel like you're hanging out with angels, you
know, right. And she was all like, she's
like, yeah, I just stay away from that because the realm in
which you're open to angels, you're also open to demons.
They're embodying the same, yeah, the same plane of reality.
So she goes. I just choose not to open to
that plane of reality. Right, right.

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I use meditation to like get my feet on the ground.
Get back into my body. I like this.
This is good material for me. And Dion's next book, which
you're gonna be the main character.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cuz no, nobody, a no one's done a Jehovah Witness horror book.
So if you do it out there, I'm murder you.
You know, you're taking mom suing you.

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RV's coming out soon. And there also hasn't been like
an American Buddhist tour either.
Like the white guy that goes to a temple and.
Like some crazy. Grudge shit happens.
To you, yeah. Yeah, that's very cool.
Yeah. It'd be interesting.
And then he has, like, his, like, friend in town who, like,
you know, isn't part of the temple about blah, blah.

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It's like a good thing. Yeah, No.
I do just want to point out MobyDick briefly.
Then I have a question for you because I don't even have a
point to make about it. Just Moby Dick is full of
demons. It's so fascinating.
He talks about the whole time that he's leading up to getting
on the Pequod. I love that you called my bike
that though. Awesome.

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The whole time that he's leadingup to getting on Ahab ship,
there's this build up, this thisdramatic build up of like don't
do it bro, don't do it, don't doit.
There's even this stranger on the shore hanging.
Out on the docks, who's like? Who's like, you don't want to
get on that ship. Right.
And then Ishmael and Quiqueg arelike, are like, are you talking

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about? And then the guy's like.
That's a, that's a cursed ship. Yeah, that's.
A really. Yeah.
That's a really cursed ship. You sure you want to do?
Look at it. It's adorned.
And whale bones. It's scary, you know?
Right. Right.
You sure? You sure you want to get on
that? And then Ishmael, he's all,
like, in a rush or something because the boat's leaving soon.
He's like, dude, leave us alone.We're calling you, OK?
Right. And then the guy's just like,

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good luck. Yeah, yeah, shit.
It's just very like Shakespearean thing.
Yeah, we're getting back to. Melville.
Very Shakespeare. I think Melville is the
reincarnation of Shakespeare. American Shakespeare.
Yeah. Yeah.
On behalf of the Jareds, thank you for listening.
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Jays will be back next time. And always remember, the
greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world
he didn't exist. Enjoy your night.