Prophets of the Present

On this week's episode, the Jare/ads will discuss Prophecy. The Time Traveler. The attributes of the prophet. Soothsayers, oracles, shamans, and much, much more.

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Episode Transcript

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Yeah, I love that you brought it.
I was literally thinking about the time traveler as you're
speaking. They're trying to be Michael J
Fox's, you know, they're trying to hop in The Time Machine to be
able to predict their futures. Right, right.
It doesn't matter what city you live in or who you're with or
what job you have, you're, you're going to freak out, you

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know? Good morning.
My name is Ren. Welcome to Jared.
To Jared. On this week's episode, the
Jareds will discuss prophecy, the time traveller, the
attributes of the prophet, soothsayers, oracles, shamans,
and much, much more. Time for the fucking show.

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Simple logic and reasoning and prophecy.
Is there a difference? Is prophecy just a very subtle
form of prediction? 'Cause even if we let the look
at the religious texts themselves, they're very much
fluffed up with fantasy in the drama.

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You know, trumpets in the sky. Dragons.
Fire from the heaven Revelation,right?
But what are they based around? A practicality around protecting
the village, essentially, Right?Yeah.
If you don't do this and clean up morally and you keep
murdering people and all this stuff, well, yeah, here's the
prophecy if war continues. Right, you're right, you can

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tell pretty easily the. End of days will come Armageddon
or whatever the case, you'll endup in limbo if you're a bad, you
know this sort of predictions orprophecies.
Coming of Christ, right exactly we prophesied and even like.
The book of Daniel has like the the statue talks about.

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It has like the feet of bronze. Oh, right, yeah.
Right and love like different metals all the way up chest of
gold, you know and all the stuff.
So but that has the the the whatthey believe now Christians
argue is the like dual power, the dual headed power of the

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statue the two nations. And they have argued for a long
time that it was like America and, you know, America and like
Russia. But now they're changing it to
maybe China or, you know, but the dual heads will sort of at

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the end of the Daniels prophecy,and that'll be the last two
nations that will then kick off Armageddon.
So we're essentially there according to like, theologians,
you know? Yeah, yeah.
Or in Hinduism, I'm sure I've mentioned this before on the
pod, the Kali Yuga, which is Yuga's just a, an age and era.

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And we are according to that mythology within the Kali Yugo,
which is a age of degradation, separation, cultures falling
apart, all that kind of stuff. And then based on like Hindu
astrology or whatever, it's likewe've been in that for the past
couple thousand years and have like another few thousand years
left of it or something. But yeah, Xenos, I don't know.

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Is it, I don't know. Is it, But you can always say
that, you know, you can always be like, oh, now is the age of
of degradation and look at like Vikings come in, coming in to
pillage your town or something. It's like, oh, no, it's the end
of the world, you know, kind of right, Right.
Does it ever change? No, the human story doesn't
change too much. Sure, sure.
And. Like, OK, here's a prediction.

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There's going to be a natural disaster in the coming years.
I'm obviously correct. Right, right.
You know, we don't know the details, but the generalities
are there. So, so that's the thing too,
Nostradamus style. The tower will fall, there will
there will be chaos. It's like, of course that's
going to happen, right? You know, at some point.

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Lots of towers. Lots.
Of towers, yeah, lots of times that's happened, yeah.
So it's like this archetypal thing where it's the general.
There's a general map to the human story that then gets
retold over and over again and the details are different.
Right then that Jesus does that too.
Just like at the end of days, they'll be, you know, man versus

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man and and natural disasters like you haven't seen this and
tornadoes and all this shit. And it's just like, well, you
know, I don't know. What's happened before?
It's happened before the gospel.During the depression.
What about even the asteroid that killed?
You know the. Dinosaurs.

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So there's so I feel like we're we're fine tuning here that what
we mean by prophecy because there's basic logic, there's
basic prediction, there's basic reasoning, but then what's
prophecy? There seems to be something else
going on with prophecy, whether it's more detail, like would I

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be a prophet if I say, OK, in the year 2037, these very
specific things are going to happen, and then those specific
things happen. Is that the prophet or is the
prophet again like the Oracle who says something ambiguous?
If America continues on this path, the great nation will

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fall. Which one?
Who knows? Right.
I guess that being the prophet, or is the prophet the religious
guide, something like Muhammad or Christ, who comes in and says
know thyself, not because that'sgoing to give you the ability to
predict the future, but because it's going to give you some sort
of spiritual insight and understanding and connection to

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God. Is that the role of the prophet?
So I don't like the practical prophet per SE.
Yeah, it's kind of boring. Right.
It's not romantic. Yeah, it's boring.
It's born. It's like, yeah, the scientific
profit sort of thing. Just like, you know, if we don't

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stop, which which it can be verymuch emotional, you know that
think about that movie ocean documentary.
And thus, like commercial fishing is destroying the
oceans, right? And like destroying the coral,
all that stuff, you know, nobodycares all that.
So that was kind of like scientific fortune telling.

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If we don't stop doing this, we were are literally going to kill
ourselves. Right, Right.
And there will be no more efficient.
Yeah, yeah, just like pretty insane, you know, consequences
to that. And that's pretty real.
I mean, that's just science, right?
Like you're saying there's nothing romantic, mythological
behind it. So let let's drop that, that
that's kind of boring. Let's drop that one because

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that's clear and to the point. So what's this other kind of
prophet? What's What's the religious
prophet? The spiritual?
Prophet liking this So liking this.
OK, so this other prophet, let'sthink about our mind and your
audience expectations of what make a really good profit.
OK. I'm gonna throw one out to you

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trait #1 be be poetic and reallygood with storytelling.
They're definitely poets. They are.
Poets storyteller with like nifty word choice and like
really creative sort of, you know, ideas in in the fantasy
genre. Right, right.

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Yeah. I appreciate that.
OK, that's a good. That's a good rule.
Another one that comes to mind. You know, Patti Smith, the rock
musician? Yes, yeah.
She has a a line thickest in hersong Horses, where she's it's
really cool. She I mean, she was she would go
into ecstatic states on stage, you know, if she was gone, she

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was just channelling and then reciting poetry and singing and
all of this. So she has this line that was
definitely channelled where she says something about parents no
longer wanting to wanting their children to be presidents, but
to be prophets, you know? Yes, yeah.

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Like, and then and they won't become presidents, they'll
become prophets, you know, and she's all ecstatic on stage.
And there's something to that because it's kind of like, OK,
in a, in a typical material materially oriented society,
parents are going to want their kids to become doctors,
president, you know, all all this kind of stuff, material

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success in that way. And then Patti Smith, who has a
kind of prophetic vibe to her insome of her songs or just goes
into that like deeper, I don't know which year kind of thing
about it. And then it's saying, well, OK,
let's imagine. Let's imagine that other, that
other realm, that other possibleearth where instead of wanting

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our children to be doctors, president and all this material
stuff, we want them to be prophets.
We want all our children. We want to raise them as
prophets, raised them as artists, raised them as
visionaries, yes, like, and thenthat becomes a source of pride
where the parent says, yeah, my kid became a, a visionary,
right, artist, speaker, prophet,right, poet.

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My kid became a poet. And there's a sense of pride
there. Not like, not like a, you know,
they're just a bomb or somethinglike that.
You know, it's like. Right, because it's hard to like
get into the shorts sort of thing.
Yeah. Or even this like dogma around
like sort of hippie culture. Like you have to struggle.

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You have to. Bring.
You know, some certain break. Beyond that, you break beyond
the social convention. OK, So that's my, I think my
kind of requisite for what a profit is.
I like that. Yeah.
Is is yours is there was creativity, poetry, right,
essentially right. And then mine is going beyond

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social convention. I think the prophet is the one
who exists outside of social convention.
Nice. This is leading into my third
trait or the the third trait. Let's add to the list.
Hopefully. Yeah, a good back story, a
really interesting back story that takes our profit from a

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place of failure. And purest.
And yes, in the position of moral superiority in order to
prophecy to the village this. Is great.
This is great, right? This is great, Jerry.
Yeah. Yes, yes.
So let's think about some of theprophets background stories.

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All right, OK. Jonah swallowed by the whale.
The whale. Incredible.
Yeah, didn't want to go. Right, right, right.
Gets swallowed by the whale. Has this moment, cathartic
moment with God in there. Gets spit back out.
Goes and prophecies. Incredible in the whale too.

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I mean, talk about the whale. The leviathan, right?
The whale that it's the whale ofthe the Moby Dick Moby Dick,
baby, the unsurmountable challenge in your.
Life right the. Thing that looks so fucking big
and all consuming because the whale consumes him, right?
All consuming. What is the thing in your life

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that is the biggest challenge, that is the most all consuming
fixation that that we cannot That's just like, oh fuck, I
can't. I don't know how to get past
this challenge or past this thisobsession, and you get consumed
by it and then when you process it, just gestate within that.
It spits you out and then there's knowledge.
Yes, that's cool. That's cool.

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And that you sort of have that near death experience too.
Yeah, where you see God, you meet God and you we go back to
this sort of very primal naturalstate within the valley of the
whale. This is great.
You know, something larger than you at that point.
Yeah. Yeah.

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And then you lose all fear and and worries cuz, you know, Jonah
worried about this, worried about that.
How are my friends gonna see me?Whatever the case was right.
This is great. And then boom, you have this
experience and nothing else matters, right?
Oh man, this is I've you got to read chapter 6 in James the

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journey, because this is literally right up.
This is so great. Yes, yes.
OK, so transformation, right? And that makes me think of
Joseph in the Bible, who becomesPharaoh's dream interpreter,
right? And Joseph, same thing.
He's imprisoned for a while, he's existing outside of

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society. And then he's having these
visions, dream visions. He begins to interpret Pharaoh's
dreams and makes predictions forwhat's going to happen based on
what Pharaoh is seeing in the inhis dreams, right?
And then says there's going to be a famine a few years from
now. We need to start stockpiling
wheat now. And it turns out he was right.

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And then Pharaoh promotes him tothis position of power.
So same thing. He goes from this degraded
prisoner suffering deeply, who then goes on this visionary
journey and then comes out the other side, yes, being
celebrated. Exactly right.
And then he's very poetic too, in his dream interpretation.

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She's the artist, so he's Josephfills all these requirements.
We're talking. About Nice.
So think of a Buddhist one, OK, But we got to address real
quick, you know, our homeboy Jesus, of course, the one of the
the greatest prophet probably inthe book.

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Amazing back story. Immaculate.
Concept, of course, born in a state.
It's a Carpenter, you know, freaking becomes a rabbi, right?
And boom, he's the son of God. Yeah, and he's going to get a
resurrected amazing story. Background story,
transformation, resurrection. And he's the storyteller too,

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right? I mean, that's just cool about
the Christ picker too, is he's astoryteller.
He's he's, he's, he's also the artist.
He's. Yeah.
So the artist, the Jesus as philosopher, Jesus as artist,
right, Right. As master storyteller.
Yeah. And then what's the book, that

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book we took back to the white balls?
What's that book that was left out of?
It's like major book of the Bible, one of them that was left
out. There's so many, to be honest.
There's like the Gospel of Thomas, the book of Ezekiel is
it? No, it was in the early
scriptures. The Aramaic Bible, the Gnostic
Bible like. He was one of the first the Dead

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Sea Scrolls, the book of No, notEzekiel.
I don't know. He was like Abraham's OK
father's or, or part of the tribes or something like that,
The Book of Enoch. Right.
Yeah. His back story's amazing.
Dude's like 1000 years old, you know, like went and saw God,
right, you know, and then prophesied about the giants.

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It was crazy about that prophecyis his.
The prophecy of his story was the angels were doing bad and
they were coming down and havingsex with the with the humans.
That always happens. I know, right?
And then and then the flood was going to come.

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He was like the first one to talk about the flood.
Yeah. Interesting.
Interesting. Yeah.
And Gilgamesh. Have you ever read the Epic of
Gilgamesh? It's from like fucking 5000 BC
or something. Maybe even earlier.
Right. And a flood story.
Yeah. Flood story.
It's it's fascinating, Yeah. Which is sort of these

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prophecies that all cultures, all cultures shared to you.
That's why different stories. Yeah, yeah, which I was
listening to something the otherday and this guy mentions that
the end of the last Ice Age was 12,000 years ago.
What would have happened? I mean, the ice would have
melted and people were definitely around 12,000 years

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ago. He's been around for 100,000
years. So 12,000 years ago, end of the
Ice Age. Ridiculous amount of ice is
melting. I mean, So what would have
happened? There would have been a great
flood for sure, right? You know, like a huge flood.
So I it did historically happen.Right.
The younger Driest was that around that time period, all

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kinds of crazy shit happened to the Earth.
It's wild. Yeah.
Yeah. Cool.
OK, so let's go over some of ourattributes here.
Yeah, sure. Way with words poetic
storyteller fantasy Jr. Tolkien stuff your your first

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one was. Exceeds social.
Convention exceeds social conventions.
Yeah, very nice. Nice.
And then we got a good background story that brings
them into the world, right? Hero's Journey transformation.
Transformation. Yeah, yeah.

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And and I had another good one, maybe just like aesthetic
itself. There's an aesthetic to it.
Because if I were to say to you,like Moses, you immediately have
like, curly hair at the staff, Gandalf.

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Stack in robes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right. Good aesthetic.
Love it. Aesthetic.
Yeah. Yeah.
Good aesthetic. What about like, sort of like
Khufu or even like a Gandhi figure?
You get sort of this like, you know, skinny skin and bones,

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sort of like, you know, Yeah. Embodiment of sacrifice, you
know, and and servitude to the gods or.
Whatever that's true, I like this aesthetic.
I think there is. The aesthetic is the outward
expression of inward right. Right, right.

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Because you know when you see someone or not even someone
else, when you feel it in yourself, when, when you feel
most like yourself, right? And you, you just you're, you're
dressed in a way that you like that feels like an expression of
you. It's not to please anyone else.
It's like a friend of mine. I have a friend who lives in
Portland, OR Julia and she's a, a metal sculptor.

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Freaking bad ass human being. And we met in college and we
were both just these like shy art kids, you know, and and she
was really nerdy. She was just nerdy.
She was just this nerd girl and then got really into just art
and and expressing herself and then started to dress way more

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colorfully and really kind of discover herself.
And then like she had this long hair, cut off all her hair and
start doing short hair and different, different hair
colours. And, and now she's she's living
and working as an artist. She's doing it as freaking rad.
And she just like is constantly expressing herself and is into

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making costumes just as like a side project for fun, like she's
constantly creating. But the point is, when I first
met her, she was like this just shy girl from upstate New York
who who, you know, kind of servea wallflower vibe and then
started to self discover and create more and more and more
and more and then just exploded out.

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And now again, her hair is always a different color.
She wears a lot of like tie dyeing colors and is constantly
creating ridiculous cool stuff. And there's this alignment there
between us, like, oh, that's whoshe truly was this whole time,
right? You know.
Who she grew into, she just grewinto herself, right And there's
an alignment there, yes. And I think that's true with

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everyone. There's the self that you can
grow into your authentic self and that can get expressed in
how you're dressing and it doesn't have to be crazy for
Julia, it means different hair colors, tie dye, all this stuff.
For someone else, it could be like looking super sharp in a
suit every day and like, what? You just feel good like that.
You feel strong like that. It doesn't matter.

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So yeah, I think there's this alignment actually of the
aesthetic with the person. It just like, makes sense.
They're not trying to be anyone else.
Right. You know, right.
Yeah, I like that. I like that.
And that's, that's what we see, right.
A Oracle Delphi. Back then they thought you had
to go into some weird spiritual place in order to see the
future. Yeah, Yeah, I'm thinking about

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the Coudanderas. Coudanderas down in Mexico,
South America. Yeah, right.
Smoke and peyote, also tobacco and going into these like sweat
lodges. Totally.
And just like steaming out in there for hours, days and days.
And then just seeing the featurein the fire, sort of like going

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on these mystical journeys whereyou meet animals sort of Jonah
style. That's great.
And you, your spirit animal or your guide or your, your shaman,
and then you go, you know, and you go to a place where you can
see a potential future, usually,you know, one that you either

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want to avoid or one that you want to go towards, right?
And it's up to you in order to recognize that in the moment,
right? God, that's fascinating.
Yeah. Which I asked you questions kind
of roll back around to it. So for the Christian religion,
correct me if I'm wrong, you kind of have to be you're you're

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chosen at random chosen at random.
God will send you sort of a premonition.
Usually prophet is skeptical at first.
Something happens, boom, he's in, you know, Sodom and Gomorrah
is going to burn. Whatever.

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Yeah. And then they sort of, I would
imagine, I don't know if there'sscriptures of it.
I'd have to look more into it, But the prophets have like some
sort of special place with God in heaven.
You know, whatever the case, certainly Jesus was at the right
hand, you know, whatever. What's the Buddhist code?

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What's the Buddhist law? Is it at random?
Is it actually like anointed, you know, spiritual leaders,
right, right. Is there much sooth saying in
Buddhism? Yeah, great question.
It depends on the sect of Buddhism.
Tibetan Buddhism is much more rich and it's expression of of

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prophecy. OK, nice.
Yeah. And Tibetan Buddhism, and I
can't speak to it and all that knowledgeably, but they, they
have much more going on with with there.
There's a story when the Dalai Lama was fleeing Tibet that they
were trying to figure out what route to take because all these
routes were blocked by the Chinese because they're trying
to capture, yeah, trying to capture the Dalai Lama.

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So they called in their Oracle. OK.
And the Oracle's freaking, you know, eyes rolled back in his
head, chanting, Yeah. And then someone's, like,
frantically writing down what the guy is saying as he's just
like, you know, in this altered state, saying it Right.
And the Dalai Lama, I think, is 18 at the time, something like
that. And the Oracle says, here's the

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route that you have to take. And it's the route that goes
directly through the stronghold of the Chinese, like right
through the gate that they set up, just through the front door
essentially. Right, right.
And everyone looks at this map that was drawn out and was just
like, are you kidding me? No, Like, what are you crazy?

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You know, sending all of these advisors to the Dalai Lama and
just like, no, like, no, there'sthis back route.
We'd be much more likely to makeit through if we take that one.
Right. But ultimately, it's it's your
decision. What do you want to do?
Sure. And the Dalai Lama considers it
for a day and then says, let's go with the Oracle, right.
No merry pass right now. And then something happens.

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There's some, you know, just some odd coincidence.
I forget the exact thing. But they essentially walk out
the front door and it works. And they follow the Oracle's
path. And it was like the unexpected
thing, but it worked. And then he makes it to India.
And now he's, you know, free to,to go on living and
unfortunately, in exile. But yeah, so anyway, he gets
out. So Tibetan culture seems to have

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much more of that. Zen is very, very, that's the
one I know. And Zen is very pared down in
terms of all that kind of stuff.Zen is like, OK, your your goal
is spiritual awakening, unfolding of who you are.
So actually you don't want to get caught up in.
What the future is? Visions in the future, you're

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going to be sitting in a meditation retreat.
You're going to have visions of past lives in the future.
Don't get caught up in that. That's not your concern, right?
You're doing something else here.
That's actually the mind just trying to distract you.
Even if it turns out to be true,it was still just a distraction
from your main goal, which is enlightenment, right?
So they have a different take onit.

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So Zen's more the scientific objective, yes, Yeah.
Zen is very scientific in it's way.
I will say though. I always thought Tibet ambitism
was more romantic, just from a western.
Perspective. Yeah, it's very beautiful, yeah.
I will say though, in Zen, whichhas some of its roots from
Chinese Taoism, in the Dow, there's a line about the

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individual becoming once more like uncut would.
So it's going back to source. That's that's essentially what
it's saying. You want to live your life in
such a way that you are going back to simplicity, back to
source before you put on all thetrappings of who you thought you
were before you got conditioned to believe this, that and the

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other. Before you had all your
psychological coping mechanisms and defense mechanisms and hang
ups and and, and and your life structure.
You want to drop all of that. It doesn't mean that you abandon
it. You just, you just release the
attachment to it and then go back to being uncut wood.

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What were you before all this stuff got added when you were
just a naked soul? Yeah.
Go back down into that. And that made me think when
you're talking about Jonah and the whale, you know, you go back
into the center, essentially. You go back into the center of
this behemoth thing that seems so real to you.

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Oh, God, my relationship. Oh, God, my job.
Oh, God, this. Oh God, that Oh no, what's
happening to our country? That's the that's the whale,
that's the behemoth. And then you just crawl back
into the center of everything and you just sit there in
silence. And that's the source that where
you once more find that you're just uncut wood.
So I don't know if that's prophetic, but that at least

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shares Zen and Taoism shares thethat quality of transformation
that that you're describing as one of the kind of requisites
for for being a prophet. OK, nice.
So I would say that that side ofit gets emphasized more in Zen,
right, Right. Yeah, well, you there would be
certain attributes too to explain someone who would be

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able to tell you how to live your present as well just as
much as be wearing of the future.
Yeah. You know, an aesthetic, a way of
talking, sort of this Taoist Zenperspective on going back to
nature, what have you. All those things would still
sort of match the way. And then we also have these

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attributes associated to those who warn us of the past.
We have a lot of that as well inbiblical texts, historical
texts, all this different stuff.There's a way in which our
historians look the way that they talk, the way that we trust
them. What accolades do they have?

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And okay, so let's drop religionentirely.
Wait, I saw. I'm not.
I'm not ready to. Stay on religion entirely.
Are you going to? Can you remember whatever you
were going to? For sure.
Cool. I have a couple ones though
because I just thought of him inthe Buddha story.
Right. He's born into this rich family,

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right? And then there there's a
prophet. Actually, there's the local
prophet in the, in the, in the King's court or whatever.
Oh, yeah, he's the astrologer. Yeah.
This is what happened. OK, Low Buddha, Siddharthak
Otama is born, Low baby, 500 BC.Something like that is what they
say. And then the the town

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astrologer, the soothsayer, the prophet comes in and says to the
king, the Buddha's father, your son is going to either become a
great Mystic and teacher or a great king.
And then the Buddhist father whowho is currently the king says,
oh fuck, I don't want him becoming the Mystic.

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You know, again, talk about social convention.
He's like, no, the Mystics are crazy people who live outside
the city walls and just say weird shit.
He's like, I'm like, no, I want him to become the next king and
carry the lineage on. So then, freaked out by this
prophecy, he creates this beautiful environment and tries
to cater to every need of Siddhartha.

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Young Buddha, hoping that if if he's just kept totally happy all
the time within this beautiful palace fortress, that he's not
going to have any desire to go explore other things, that all
of his needs will be met and satisfied.
And then nonetheless, the Buddhastill has that sense of
curiosity. But what's outside the walls

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again? Leaving social convention?
Going outside the city walls? Princess Jasmine.
Yeah, yeah. That's.
It and then the Buddha goes out and becomes Buddha and his dad's
pissed off and whatever. And so there's that one too.
And that. Yeah.
And I, I think that's the last one that comes to mind.
Yeah. We seem like an.

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Important reckons back to the back story of our prophets and
all of them have to deal with some sort of trauma.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
And that's traumatizing. Like totally.
The father sons connections broken, not going to be the king
anymore is now going to be like a Vagabond.

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Yeah, sort of, you know. Tyresius the blind seer, ancient
Greek mythology. His his vision is taken away by
Hera, right? Because she's pissed off at him
about something. So his vision is taken away.
Trauma terrifying. And then Zeus comes in and says,
OK, well, I can't replace your vision, but I can give you you

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vision capital. Hey, vision.
And then he becomes the prophet.Nice.
Yeah, and so many prophets also killed for their prophecies as
well. That's a big theme.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, Throughout history.
Or not. Believed, not believed, not
believed as well. Cassandra is another Greek
figure, and Cassandra is the theprophet who no one believes.

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That's her, That's her destiny. That's her doom, that she's
gonna run around saying please, please, please don't go to war
with that nation, you know, please, please, please don't
sell your ship out there. Please.
I know what's going to happen. I can see it.
And no one believes her. And they continually do it over
and over again. And her pain is to witness.

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Right. Right.
To witness all of it. Yes.
Which is devastating, right. Right.
Yeah. So I'm kind of thinking like the
West, right, for a call out to Dolly?
So. Thinking about prophecy in
Western culture, while it's verymuch predicated on Christianity,

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but if you were to sort of step away from religion in a way it's
it's very hard to step away fromreligion.
What who is the new modern day prophets?
You know, right? Is is it film makers?
Is it? Yeah, it's just such a good
question. And I'm thinking too, well, what

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does the how does the sort of occult pour interesting, you
know, trauma like the the the the prophet in in mid Somar.
He's that like inbred child. Oh fuck, that's right, that was

(33:35):
so. Scary colors and stuff.
That's right now in all those crazy books, My.
God that scene was so fucked. Up but there's like that seems
to be a reoccurring theme too islike the person that's on the
spectrum or it's not normal, youknow is able to see things that
were not sort of you know and isthis tied into now our western

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understanding of who can foretell the future.
This is I don't know this is great.
Am I getting anywhere there? Thoughts.
Yeah, so first thought, but it'skind of a passing 1.
I just want to get it out of theway in in Buddhism and and
Christian mysticism, everyone has the potential to be the

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prophet because the prophet is just someone that speaks truth
and speaks the word of God and there's no delineation between
who can and can't be the prophet.
The prophet is just someone who chooses to walk that path.
If you know. In other words, in Buddhism,
they teach anyone, for the most part, anyone who sits in

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meditation for long enough is going to, you know, be able to
see some things pretty clearly. So in that sense, everyone's the
prophet, everyone's the Mystic. We're all here, we're all
children of the universe, right?So we're all prophets.
And then the, the, the, the one who takes on the role of the
prophet is the one who just chose to, to go in that

(35:08):
direction and chose to, to do the exercises essentially to do
that. But everyone is potentially the
prophet. We can all see we all have that
innate ability just by virtue ofbeing human.
And I think that's a. Beautiful.
I like that. I like that.
That said, who takes on the role?
Self you know thyself. You can foretell different
futures about yourself. Yeah, if you exactly, if you go

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deep enough within yourself, you're the prophet.
Good job. And anyone can do it, you know,
which I think is really cool. Cool.
It's not this institutional hierarchy thing, you know, only
that's what that's why I like dislike about modern day
Christianity is that the priest is the intermediary between you
and God. There is no intermediary.
We're all the priests and priestesses.
Right. Which is what Jesus wanted.

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The only intermediary is him, right?
Yeah. Yeah, that's part of the Jesus
story is it's a tautology. You know, I mean, he's the Son
of God. Well, that's implied because
we're all the son of son and daughters of God.
I mean, that's so it's like all this sort of.
Yeah, it's a tautology. It's repeated knowledge that
actually just doesn't need to bestated again, right?

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Except for clarity. Which in the Muslim religion
they see Jesus just as part of the prophets right?
Right, right. Not necessary.
You know, they saw him as this sort of total, you know, just
like Moses. They recognize all this.
But their teaching is Muhammad'sthe seal of the prophets.
He's the last one, right, You know, And then whatever he

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foretells comes to be essentially, you know.
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind and just perspective the
entire Western Canon as well, you know, which makes it a very
interesting religion. Yeah, Yeah, totally.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. So that and then wait, so you
brought it back to the West in the modern day, Right, right,

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right. Prophet.
Yeah. I don't know.
I think the thing about film, like you're I think you're right
about film. There's so many films that we
could look at, especially in thesci-fi genre and say that's
prophetic. I mean, there's so many
prophetic films. Visionary film makers, visionary
musicians, visionary writers. I mean, there's so many.
There's so many. And that's the thing again, I

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don't think it's, it's someone special.
I think it's actually pretty common, you know?
And then higher and lower levels, I mean, there's the
visionary who I don't know, works, works some boring office
job for the state during the day, but then goes home and is
working on their novel or, or painting or something.
I think, I think that's visionary work, you know, right,

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right. Even though they're not big,
famous, recognized people. Well, I mean, create creative
work can certainly foretell the future.
Yeah. Look at Shakespeare.
You know, King Lear. He was foretelling the future of
King James. Yeah.
Yeah, if he decided to not recognize his humanity.

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Oh, interesting. Not right, right, right.
He was going to lead into this wilderness talking to his
freaking you know his gesture the whole time so good so it
it's it's prophetic in in that sense of the word yeah.
So instead of building an Oracleof Delphi temple with, you know,

(38:26):
drugs at the at the entrance andcrazy gases pouring through the
seams and, you know, super toxic, we build a movie theater.
Cool. Cool.
And we try to move people emotionally through 4 DX and
sound systems and like epic, beautiful storytelling where

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it's saying if we all go to war,we're going to get freaking
Avengers, end of game or something like that.
Or I mean, you can obviously go deep with deeper with like
house, house directors and shit like that.
But you know what I'm saying? We sort of try to emulate this

(39:07):
prophecy, this place, this temple of, of, of seeing the
future. Yeah, yeah.
By, you know, creating our stories, you know, through the
senses, what are we seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, you
know, feeling. And creating the future as well,
right? Right.

(39:27):
I mean, there's a strange way inwhich the sci-fi of yesterday
becomes the technology of today,right?
I mean, like, I don't know, people who become inventors are
watching Star Trek when they're kids or something say, and how
cool would it be to have, I don't know, a video phone or

(39:49):
something and then next thing we're on FaceTime or whatever it
is just anything teleportation, which we're not there with it
yet or AI. I mean that was.
A thing of stories that was they, like, told a bunch of
scientists as to what Star Trek was going to foretell back in

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the day. And last on the list was a
computer you could talk to that could give you basic answers for
anything you asked it. And that's what we have.
We don't have teleportation. We don't really have the Tri
quarters or anything, but we do have this crazy computer that we
can now talk to, you know? Yeah, yeah.

(40:30):
Yeah. So I think a lot of people
actually predict the future by creating it inadvertently, like
the writers of Star Trek. They weren't.
Their goal wasn't to come up with technology that we were
going to use in the 21st century.
It was to entertain and create cool little thought experiments

(40:50):
about what society is and and kind of philosophize via
futuristic stories and sci-fi. And then that just inspired
people who would create the future.
Right, Right. Right, right.
Oh, man, I had a good one. Yeah, it'll come back around.

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I saw this David Bowie interviewwhere he said in the 70s when he
was doing Ziggy Stardust and allthis weird sci-fi rock kind of
stuff that he was, he felt like he was creating the 21st century
in the 70s, right? You know, which maybe that's
true, maybe that's not. I mean, I guess he did a lot of

(41:34):
breakthrough things that maybe open the door for all these
other artists. I mean, I think the 21st century
became its own thing anyway. But the attempt was there or the
feeling of it or just sure or just saying, OK, we're going to
create. Gave it a uniqueness that's
interesting too, for telling thefuture with music you know ahead
of its time. Oh, there's a video of Jim

(41:56):
Morrison predicting DJs and justelectronic music, right?
How that would really take off? Sure, sure.
So here here is my thought just a minute ago.
What is our drive to want to have objective future telling?

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That's yeah, it's a good question.
Because what we've been talking about is sort of Oracle Delphi.
Very ambiguous. Could be, could not be
subjective. And also, hey, if you start, you
know, going outside every day without sunscreen, your skin's

(42:40):
gonna get really jerkied out. And like, you know, that's just
like a basic thing for sure. Now, exposing yourself
potentially skin, cats, whatever, even the ocean, if we
keep doing this, the ocean that's sort of scientific for.
For telling what have you. Yeah, but what is the drive to

(43:00):
have objective tomorrow? A car's going to drive by, you
know, 3:00 and drop $200, right?Right.
Like, you better be there Suringo Road, 200 bucks on the
ground or else it's going to blow away.
And some other guy's going to get it in the park at 3:30.

(43:20):
Yeah, yeah. Like what?
Or some avoiding tragedy or, youknow, you're going to meet this
woman and her name is Jennifer and she's going to be, you know,
you're going to have two kids. OK.
A, what's the drive to want thatto happen?
Why is that such a fantasy of the human beings?

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And B, would you want to have that ability?
Yeah, right. Because that's a classic
conundrum to you. Is, is do you want to know your
own mortality, your own fate? Do you want to for tell the
future? Because really the only person
that could actually tell the future objectively, yeah, is a

(44:03):
time traveller, somebody who wasable to just going to get.
Here, yes, yeah, we're on the same page.
Yes, nice thoughts. Yeah, I love that you brought
it. I was literally thinking about
the time traveller as me speaking.
So I have my quick answer, but I'm going to kind of put that to
the side so we can do the time traveller experiment because

(44:23):
that's more fun. OK, person, man from the future,
woman from the future, right? OK.
Comes back to our present and they're on a mission.
Right. And there's various kinds of
missions, but the nature of thatmission that they're on will

(44:44):
give us the answer as to why youwould want to know the future.
Right, right, right, right. OK.
Yeah, so that's essentially the profit.
The time traveller comes back from the future and says, hey,
if you bet on the Super Bowl this year, here's what you need
to bet on. Someone's going to throw pass at
the at in the fourth quarter andlike, bet a lot of money on

(45:06):
that, Right, Right. OK, so the mission there is to,
well, maybe make someone else orthemselves lots of money.
OK, so it's one another mission would be to go back in time and
like, I don't know, kill Hitler or something.
Sure. OK, there's here's another.
Another mission would be to set things up in such a way that 2

(45:27):
lovers meet at the right time, either just for joint pleasure
so that someone else can be born.
Another mission would be warningsomeone not to get on that
plane. Right, right.
Pending doom, Yeah. So those are just some possible

(45:48):
reasons that someone would come back from the future or to tell
the society, you know, on a moresocietal level, hey, don't do
this or do do that or whatever. Right, Crazy natural disaster.
15 years. 25 years from now. Asteroid.
Right. What's the connecting sense of
purpose within all of those stories?

(46:11):
Like what is? What is the real goal of each
one you know? Right, right.
Well essentially benefiting and the the self your living
experience. Yeah, yeah.
Exactly, and it's trying to avoid things that would either a

(46:31):
end that experience or make thatexperience worse off.
Exactly, Yeah. But see, and then that would be
good, because then you were in charge also of your fate.
Oh, OK. That's another dynamic there,
yeah. Because it's one thing to say,
hey, do you want to know your fate?
Yeah, but you can't change it. It's your fate, right?

(46:54):
Hey, do you want to know the future?
That way you could take steps inorder to make one that's more
ideal. For you, in your mind, yeah,
that's cool. Because the latter I don't think
I'd want. OK, your fate was fixed.
And my fate was fixed. I wouldn't want that.

(47:14):
Yeah. Oh, man, this gets complicated,
right? Because.
OK, so say let's say just now wegot a time machine.
Yeah. Would you go back and tell
yourself, hey, we should have stayed with this person?

(47:37):
Like try to like make it work because I'm telling you the
future. And like, I saw this funny reel
of this guy cooking and he's like, you know, my high school
girlfriend broke up with me backthen.
I thought that was my life was going to be pretty bad after
that. And it has been.
So let's put this ingredients inthat.

(47:59):
I'm just like, yeah, that's funny.
But then would you be who you are or would it be a bad, better
outcome? Would you also experience
sadness and madness and every? Like, it's really hard.
You could spend a lifetime goingback and being like, well,
actually you shouldn't have stayed with her.
You should go back and let's go back in time.

(48:21):
But that's only going back in time.
See, if you could go in forward in time, then you would be able
to be like, OK, this is a favorable outcome.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, so, so it's a. Conundrum.

(48:42):
I don't really know. Or should we just leave our
lives up to fate? Is that ultimately the best
thing to do? Right?
Because I think if we were able to have this power, we would
just keep going in constant loops.
Yeah. Because then you'd never be
satisfied with any sort of sadness or obstacle that's just

(49:06):
ahead of you, right? There's the real answer, and
then you go back. There's the realistic.
Oh man, shouldn't have made thatlast time.
You go back and just like, oh man, I should.
Oh, I hit myself in the head. I'm going back in time.
I don't want to hit myself in the head.
This is a great just. Boom, boom.
And then this girl didn't work out, that person didn't work
out. This friendship worked out,
didn't this You're never they'resatisfied and you'll never get

(49:30):
to a place. It's going to be a terrible
neurosis. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. Well, one, I think the the
desire to to know the future, change the future.
It's coming from a a place of wanting to feel safe and secure
and in control. Right.
In control of external circumstances in particular,

(49:51):
right? And you are 100% right because,
yeah, you just, you just went from sort of the superficial
level, which is like, yeah, would I want to know?
Would I not want to know? Could I make the changes so that
things would be more pleasurablein an external way?
Sure. That's, you know, that's one
approach to that question. And then you brought it to like,

(50:12):
oh, wait, that just becomes its own kind of addictive.
Process. Yeah, where it's like now you're
neurotically going back and going back and going forward and
going back because you tried to make your life perfect, right,
Only to find out that life is imperfect, Yes.
And not you're not able to control it.

(50:32):
So you go back and you know yourexample, you go back and you
say, hey, you're supposed to stay with so and so in
relationship. And then and then it turns out
you do that and then it is worsethan your, than your, than your
current situation. And then you go, oh shit, oops,
my bad, my bad. Let me go back and and

(50:54):
rearrange. That and then actually, you
know, let's stick with how it was.
But while we're there, you know I'm going to be back there
anyway. Let me let me make sure I get
stick with that job instead of this job because I'm so sick of
this job. Sure.
And they do it and it turns out to be really, really good for a
while until until something happens, the economy tank,

(51:15):
whatever, it doesn't matter. Things have their ups and downs.
Everything's going to be imperfect anyway.
So then you get to a point whereyou just say, OK, even if I had
the ability to know and to change the future over and over
and over again, which ultimatelywe do, I like to think we have
free will. It's not about that.

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It's about developing the internal sense of peace that
allows you to be OK with what arises because otherwise you're
going to be on this hamster wheel of neurotically trying to
change everything. And we can see this in real
life. We don't need to do it in the
sci-fi way where you go back in time.
I mean, there are people who areconstantly changing up their job

(52:00):
situation, their relationship situation, the city they live
in, over and over and over and over and over again, looking for
a sense of stability, looking for a sense of peace.
But that peace is not going to be found because it's not about
the external circumstances. It's about the inner conditions.
If you are dysregulated in your nervous system, it doesn't

(52:21):
matter what city you live in or who you're with or what job you
have, you're, you're going to freak out, right?
Right. Right.
So, yeah, and that's sort of like there's a theory where
sometimes in your life you'll get, like, traumatized by

(52:42):
something or via a relationship,a really bad breakup, divorce,
whatever. Yeah.
And then you constantly date that same age of person when
that happened. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
And cuz we're going through thatcycle, we're trying to go back
in time, constantly going back in time.
Oh well, actually if I could. Just beat a. 27 year old again

(53:02):
then like it might go back and like sort of relive that
existence and exactly and like be able to like do that over
again and then it's just gets worse and worse and worse
because what's happening with the time traveller yeah is as
you're trying to fix your life going back and back and back and
forward and back as you the the person that's controlling the

(53:25):
the time travel device yeah is aging.
Interesting. And then you end up spending
your entire life trying to find seek perfection and then you end
up dying alone with your time machine and you never you don't
really have anything at all at the end of the day.

(53:47):
My God, that's like a Samuel Beckett play.
It's like a futuristic Samuel Beckett.
Yes, yes, that's right. It the time traveller.
Yeah, yeah. Fascinating.
The CN, Yeah, there's yeah. What you were just saying about
the Arrested Development sort ofthing always.

(54:08):
It's like the Peter Pan syndrome.
Do you know about that? Yeah, Men.
Yeah. Men who are like 40 or whatever.
And then still, yeah, dating 25 year olds and partying and
stuff. It's like, dude, what do you
think? You can get your shit together?
Yeah, exactly that. Or, and it's not just dating.
I mean, we do that in, in tons of different ways where we keep

(54:29):
getting attracted to, to the service of the development stage
that we got stuck at sometimes because of a kind of a traumatic
thing. Oh, one thing I was thinking of
in terms of, of trauma and, and prediction.
So when someone is abused as a child, right?
And for this example, I'll say sexual abuse, right?

(54:50):
Let's say someone is sexually abused as a child, the chances
that that individual is going tobe abused as an adult is way,
way, way, way, way higher than someone who was not abused as a
child, which is weird and reallysad and unfortunate.

(55:13):
Like not as no one's fault. It's just like a weird fucked up
cork of, of humanity. And I mean, there's reasons for
that. One could be environmental, you
know, I mean, if you're born into like a really intense
household where that kind of abuse is going on, you're just
sort of like in that environment.
So then when you're an adult, you know, maybe you're meeting

(55:35):
people of the same sort of character and quality.
But there's also, but even if you leave that household, I
mean, people continue to find themselves in those abusive
situations. And it's like this expectation
for, for what? What they deserve, you know,
which then you know, and it's all subconscious.

(55:56):
I mean, someone abused as a child, as an adult is then
seeking out unconsciously abusive people.
They think it's what they deserve.
It's what they're familiar with.Yeah, that's the normal.
The norm and oh, this is just what life is like.
They're not. It's just this unconscious
belief that life is abuse. So then when they come across an
abuser, there's no sense of like, oh shit, I should get out

(56:19):
of here. There's just like, oh, this is
just what it is and I'm helpless, right, right.
Whereas someone not abused comesacross someone who has obvious
red flags or something as an adult and is like, yeah, I'm out
of here. This is not my expectation for
what my reality is. I'm not welcoming the sin.
I'm out of here. So unfortunately that's.
They get rejected because they're they can't offer

(56:40):
insecurity. Oh, interesting.
You know, so the, the person that whose normal love story or
just personal story is abuse, right?
They're going to reject and be like, oh, you're weird and like,
you know, yeah, you're just likewhat?
That's not how you'd love somebody like, you know.
Oh, like, like the abuse person will reject a healthy person.

(57:04):
Yeah, totally, totally. Because they're they don't think
that's what love is. It's like, why are you not
screaming and freaking out aboutme?
You must not be passionate. Exactly, Yeah.
That which is, yeah, the the like the brain on trauma, you
know, is like wild. It's really fascinating and
really sad. But then, you know, also, I

(57:26):
don't know, it's cool because there's a lot of ways out of it.
But but anyway, yeah, I guess that just like the thing that
you're used to. We're talking about this on on
the last part, the mold, right? Weren't we talking about that?
Maybe it? Wasn't behind me we.
Were talking about the mold, MOLD of of who you are of like

(57:49):
your expectations, the right. Maybe that was someone else.
It might have been part of the like Konsugi conversation we
were having to. Maybe.
Anyway, the mold of who you are.Oh, the King Lear conversation,
we're talking about the mold of who you are and how that breaks
down at some point. And then you're a leader out in

(58:10):
the abyss, figuring out who you really are.
But you have this mold, this pattern of who you are, your
expectations for the world, and all of that is constructed when
you're a child and trauma is a big part of that.
And then, you know, you carry that with you as an adult and
then you're replaying it over and over and over and over

(58:30):
again, you know, getting into abuse, relationships, etcetera,
etcetera. And then which on one hand is
the psyche, it's just, it's justfamiliar.
So it creates what it creates. It's just like unconsciously
manifesting the same shit over and over again.
There's another element where you're trying to a part of you
is trying to go back to relive it, hoping it will be different

(58:54):
and maybe this time better. So there's like a sort of a
sweetness to it, even though it's destructive, right?
And then there's, well, the ability to just break the mold,
break the pattern and just see through it and go shit.
And this is what's happening. And then you right, let it go
and then leave. And now the future can be
something new and fresh, right? So I I guess I was thinking

(59:17):
about trauma as a form of prophecy and prediction.
Right. Right, an unfortunate dark 1 and
limiting 1 ultimately, but but yeah, I think that's.
Gonna be a force for changing the future, yeah.
Seeing the future and changing it, you know?
Yeah. Sure, sure.
Turning into someone kneeled essentially totally.

(59:39):
Yeah, which happens all the time.
Right. King Lear.
The King Lear moment. King Lear moment.
Yeah, I do remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wanted to do like mine and your Jared to Jared predictions.
Freaking OH. Yeah, that's right.
Nostradamus and Nostradamus, butI don't know.
I can't really think of any per SE.

(01:00:02):
Well, that wouldn't be. You know, in the realm of the
obvious. Right, I have predictions for my
own life, all of which are really optimistic.
Nice. So I'm going to, yeah.
I don't want to jinx them though.
So I'm not. I do have, I don't know if I

(01:00:26):
have more like societal, political, whatever kind of
predictions. I mean, I think the AI thing is
going to be pretty fucking radical.
And there's the the optimistic version, which is that the
robots are going to do all the jobs and free us up to make art
and hang out and exercise and doall that kind of stuff.

(01:00:49):
The scary, more likely reality is that people are just, there's
going to be mass layoffs and people are going to be not
knowing what to do and how to work with that.
And then we'll just be, you know, poverty's going to shoot
through the roof and all that kind of stuff, which means
violence will, which means all this other stuff.

(01:01:11):
Hopefully not. I'm not totally sure if Trump's
going to get get a third term. Hopefully not, he said.
He won't. He's knocking around.
Let's hope not. Yeah, I don't know.
It's it's easy to predict, you know, a fall of society or Rome

(01:01:35):
is going to burn. Yeah, certainly can see a
natural or artificial disaster taking place with AI, which
could certainly unify humanity. Not to go back to Ice T and

(01:01:55):
Johnny Mnemonic, but low tech usback together.
This causes it. This causes it, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And go full Rawlins and then
come back to the village in a way.
Yeah, maybe we'll come back to the village.
Yeah, things will OK. We had this, this period of
separation and pain and all thatand we'll, we'll bring it back,

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we'll get reconnected. With the personal, personal one
prophecies, though, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I guess you're freaking me out
with the Jinx, though. Maybe the broadcast keeps you
from the Jinx. I don't know, let's all we could
share some fun ones. It doesn't have to be like, you
know, super intense ones. Yeah.

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I don't know. What do you got?
You got you got some Well. We always want to predict what
will benefit us, right? Sure.
So like, we like you, your pointsort of what's the point of
prophecy is to what to benefit. So I would like to think, you
know, find peace in health and stability in health.

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Yeah. Just like staying active, you
know? Yeah, finding security in
relationship and that outlet. Yeah.
I don't know though. I'd like to do 1 fun where it's
like the cool new job or like you know, yeah, yeah, something

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like that. Becoming like the head of the
fucking, I don't know, yeah, Ministry of Magic or something,
but it's just hard to say. Magic.
Yeah. Becoming a tattoo or something,
you know, I don't know. I will say, OK, Mitra, the Zen
teacher, she is incredibly present, which is pretty cool.

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Yeah, to be around then because I was expressing, since I'm
doing just normal society stuff,not living in the monastery, I
was like, there's a meditation retreat coming up at the end of
August. I really want to do it, but I'm
not totally sure if I'll be ableto work schedule, blah, blah,
blah, things like that. And and I expressed that to her

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and she was just kind of like she was like, well, yeah, that's
still like six weeks from now. She's like, it just things will
unfold the way they unfold. She was like, it's not worth
getting stressed about or worried about it.
Just be present and be here now.Ram dusk.
It just, there's no like, who cares?
Like there's nothing you can do in this moment today that's

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going to change that. So you're literally just, you're
just manifesting anxiety right now for no reason.
Jesus style. Do it today, for tomorrow has
its own anxiety, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. So it's just like chill, like
what's like I do with right now.I was like, Oh yeah, good point.
So I'd like she. Has a good point of how these
micro organizers, Yeah, I work with them a lot in academia.

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Just like like micromanaging. The deck of their like
calendars, you know, organizing every little second.
Of their time. Totally, totally, totally.
Exactly, exactly. They're trying to be Michael J
Fox's, you know, they're trying to hop in The Time Machine.
To DeLorean and be. Able to predict their futures,
right? Right, You know, I got to meet

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with Vicki and then Tom and then.
I don't know. I don't know this, you know, and
they sometimes spread out over months.
Yeah. So they can personally see and
be like, oh, this is gonna happen.
That's gonna happen. This is.
Here's the issue with that is you get to you live your life

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for tomorrow. You live your life for weeks
ahead. You are constantly worrying
about what's not happening rightnow, right when what you're
worrying about could certainly change by the time it even got
there. Yeah, in the 1st place, you
know? And then what happens when
something happens that you can'tpredict?

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It's the worst. I hate when.
Like a lot like, you know, your house starts on fire, something
like that. Well, those type of people, they
lose it and they're just like. I lost it the other week bro.
My car got stuck in fucking mud.It was like quicksand it was
insane. And we were stuck there for a
while to get Anastasia's friend's truck to drag us out.
And now my, the struts in my carare fucked up.

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So I gotta get that fixed. And you know what?
I was, I really reacted to it. And which I was kind of bummed
about. I was like, I was like, man,
I've done all that. I'm so present.
I've done all this meditation healing work, blah, blah, blah.
And I had a fucking meltdown like a baby because my car got
stuck in mud. And then I was like, damn, OK.

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It was a humbling moment too, because it was just like, whoa,
I was not expecting that reaction.
Sure. I thought I'd they're just like,
yeah, oh cool, whatever, and let's just figure it out one
step at a time. No big deal.
But for some reason it really got to me and I was like, I and
part of that was because the unforeseeability of it.
I was just like fuck, I wasn't planning on getting my car stuck

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in fucking 8 feet of mud today. Sure, sure.
So, yeah, so that's still there.It's out of the control and it's
a different anger than like something you're controlling
that failed. Yeah.
Yeah, You know, then it's like, Oh my God, we got to fix this.
I was here like this. Did I understand why it failed?

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Like I'm trying to figure, you know, as opposed to boom, it's
failure. You know, just like ounces in
the other room are like, yeah, Ican't like predict my, you know,
mod just some random quicksand. So.
Random dude like what the hell it was so.
Weird, you know? So, yeah, yeah.
One thing this just came popped up in mind, but being in this

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relationship right now is actually one challenge has been
like I I feel like I've done a level of meditation, healing,
blah, blah, blah on myself and got pretty good more or less at
like feeling peaceful being single.
And now it's like a level up. It's like a new challenge where

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now it's like this relationship and it's like I do have to
confront the ways in which I want to be controlling within
the relationship of her. I want to, I want to control
outcomes. I want to feel.
How you? How you?
Act how I unpredictability and ultimately what's in this is

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well, any relationship that's it's an entire another human
being who has their own individual free will.
And it's like, of course, and you want to respect that and and
allow that space for them to be fully and truly as as they are
in their most authentic way, which is beautiful.
And that's the ideal I'm learning to to aspire to.

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But then that can be scary. That can be challenging.
And then my own little fears come up all the time, you know,
because this person is their ownfree being.
Oh God, they could choose to leave me tomorrow and that's
scary, right? They could choose that they like
someone else, and that's scary. They could choose.

(01:09:12):
They could choose to stay and love you.
They could choose to stay and love you, which is also scary.
Yes, exactly so So it's like just just so.
In other words, just being fullywith another human being is
itself a challenge and scary because there's a lack of
predictability there. What if they die?

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You know, like that's fucking what if I die?
Oh my God. You know, you could really get
into the fear realm in relationships.
And then I, So for me, it's likeit's becoming this practice of
noticing where I'm holding on too tight and then softening my
grip and hopefully letting go, you know, not of the
relationship, letting go of, of my need to feel in control of

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myself, of another person, of how the dynamic evolves.
And instead just take a step back and allow it to evolve in a
in a natural way that it wants to evolve, you know, which
creates a much more loving environment anyway.
Listen man, I don't think I likeprophecy anymore.
I'm off the. Profits.

(01:10:17):
Prophets. Yeah.
Listen, what's happening actually is anxiety.
Yes, exactly. When you're anxious, you're
constantly. You're trying to think of.
Hypothetical situations, yes. Yes.
Trying to predict the future, basically.
Totally. And you're believing in that
future as if it's factual and it's right, Right.

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Right. Whereas if you would stop
worrying about that future, you could live in the moment and
actually manifest what you want.Beautiful, yeah.
Immediately, right in the moment, you know, you could be
present with yourself. Yeah.
Because we don't know what's gonna happen.
We don't know what's this, and if there's there's something
that you do wanna see in your future, yeah, well, start doing

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it now. Well, yeah, exactly Start.
Making steps to meeting somebody.
Start doing steps to getting a new job right, getting healthy
or whatever the case and then itwill be in your future
naturally. Which is why I'm optimistic
about the future. Because exactly.
That's the thing, Yeah. Not to sound all like, mystical,
like I know. It's just like I'm doing the
work right now. She.
Was just like the most anxious person in the village,

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essentially. Yeah, she'd be terrible
worrying. About everybody's freaking wars
and money and everything she's just constantly wearing.
No wonder she's on drugs. Yeah.
Which is sort of harking back tothe relationships thing that you
were just talking about. Can be a detriment to you.

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Is constantly just anxiety calendaring everything Well, we
gotta have, you know, Make Love now we gotta go to dinner on
Thursday and we need to do this at 7 micro manage the
relationship. That's not work Yeah just like
no like let's let's live together.
Let's grow together. Let's experience the unexpected

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together. The unknown.
Yeah, right. It can actually be very
beautiful, and it doesn't have to be.
Fearful, fond, in love. Totally, because it's like.
Oh, my God. We faced something unexpected.
The dragon. Yeah, but we beat it together.
Exactly. I had you there as support.
Yeah, right. And then we can get.
Past it, you know, that's cool, that's beautiful.
So yeah. And I, yeah, so I'm so I'm

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seeing this relationship as a challenge to keep, to keep
finding where I'm stuck, you know, stuck in anxiety, stuck in
future telling and all that stuff and then use it as as fuel
for OK, let go of that let go ofthat soften up, soften up,
loosen up be just be just be in the present with this person,
right. I I imagine children is, you

(01:12:54):
know, you could speak to this more than I can, of course, but
having a child would be like, God, I'm talking about like
anxiety around, like this other adult person, you know, who's
like an adult, you know, it's like gets to live their life and
make their decisions and has a, you know, as independent and
healthy and all of that. Like, I could not imagine the

(01:13:18):
challenge that, that for me of having a child and being like
all of that, like desire to control an outcome or control
what's going to happen. That would be hard.
I feel like having a child is probably a really deep practice
and letting go. Yeah.
Absolutely. And that's, you know, like Plato

(01:13:40):
says, don't try to make your children into your own image,
for they were born for a time that is not your own.
Oh, that's cool. Yeah.
So essentially, let them live, let them grow, you know, help
them support them along their journey to be the best version
of themselves that they can be, But don't make them into a self,

(01:14:04):
you know, be like, oh, you're going to, you know, become APHD
in English and you're going to study film and you know, you're
going to love Foucault. Look at him, look at him.
You know, you're not going to bereligious Any.
It's just like, hey, listen, everything will be fine if you
teach them to have moral fundamentals, Be a good person,

(01:14:27):
you know, respectful always, youknow, don't forget about
yourself. Try to be healthy, all you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's actually trust that's
going to create the best outcomeanyway, right?
Yeah. Not going back in the past and
into the future to alter things and change them around.
Just being right here and trusting it right to do this

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thing. Yeah, we're the prophets.
Yeah, we can. We're the we're not only the
prophets, we're the people. Yeah.
And we can change our our present to equal a better
future. On behalf of the Jareds, thank
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