The Silk Road

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Or was that a natural rap on on the blood of Christ?
That makes me want to throw off.Dude that's so scary.
Counting our rubies after a goodgood sale.
Right, right. Which is prominent.
I'm here there, bro. Right there, though, yeah.

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I think we broke there, yeah. I think we transcended.
Good morning. My name is Mary.
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Yeah. And I was going to say how like,
you know, a lot of Native peoplebelieved that was like, if you
get get your photo taken, it's stealing part of your soul.
So it's like you fracture the image of the individual.
So you fracture their being and you fracture their soul.

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And then so take like a movie star where their image is
plastered everywhere they've been in like, oh, this like
postmodern kind of way, like so fractured and reproduced over
and over and over again that thecore essence of just the sort of
singular being has been broken so many times, Right?
Right. It's like, it's like Horcruxes

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from Harry Potter, you know? Well, this is Lawrence of Arabia
too, right? I don't know if you remember the
last scholar pod I did on it, but there's a scene at the end
where they don't want him to take the picture, right?
Because he's still the soul of them, but he still kind of does
it anyways, yes. Yeah.
You know, a violation almost of the person of the culture, the

(01:50):
fracturing of the South. Yeah.
And like you're saying, the native thing is it stills your
soul. Right, right.
Yeah. And then if you think about it
in celebrity, yeah, Oh my God, dude, I got a painting of Mila
Jojovic in my house, random Hispanic dude in New Mexico.
You know, man, just millions of pictures.

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Yeah, and photographs and whatever.
Wow. Wow.
Reproduced over and over and over again.
And like when we were at Target before I saw a magazine cover
with Beyoncé and I was like, andI was like, does Beyoncé
actually exist at this point? Like if that woman's soul has

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been broken up and fractured andreproduced how many billions,
trillions of times at this point, right?
That who like where is the actual individual of Beyoncé
Knowles? Does that does that essence of a

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human being actually exist anymore or, or has she just
become kind of like an empty center?
You know, that that she is just image at this point?
Like who is she as like a human being, right, You know?
But then again, sort of our conversation at breakfast, Well,
then you just sort of you're you're not any different though.

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Also, yeah, you're just seen as perceived as different.
You're still just someone complaining at breakfast because
you didn't get eggs in your burrito.
Right, right. I was so pissed by.
That eggs in a breakfast burrito.
So still, you know, so I don't know when it boils down to it,
we're all just, you know, human beings, I guess.

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Yeah. But it has to fracture that.
I wonder what type of dreams people with fame and you know.
Oh. Fractured selves, that of what
is it? Do they dream of multiple
selves? Is it like the the Being John
Malkovich room? Malkovich, Malkovich, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Great point.
Beyoncé, Beyoncé. Beyoncé.

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Beyoncé. Beyoncé.
Right, right, right. Yeah, that's fascinating.
There's something to you that and.
Let's get more down on the microhere.
Yeah, microwave. OK, Tell me about your dreams.
Have you had reoccurring dreams?Did you have night terrors when

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you were a kid we were talking about?
This a little bit, yeah. Yeah.
Dreams is the theme of the day. Perhaps.
What's the most recent dream that you've had?
Yeah. Well, first I'll say it's
interesting that this theme's coming up because yesterday, 2
days ago, I think it was 2 days ago.
So Anastasia tells me her her dream, right?
And then we're, you know, talking dream interpretation.

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And then that same exact day, a friend of mine back east, close
close friend, he texts me and he's like, he's like, hey, you
got time for a call today? I had this crazy dream I want to
talk to you about. So that was like 2 in one day
and then we meet up, right? And then you're like, oh, I had
this crazy dream, you know, right.
And then, yeah, I don't know, dreams have just been like

(05:07):
coming up more like all at once.It's kind of kind of fascinating
something there. But anyway, in my own
experience. So I read this book, I think the
author's name was Robert Moss. He's this guy who writes about
dreams, has a bunch of books on dream and dream interpretation.
And he's an Australian dude who lives in upstate New York and

(05:27):
has teaches these like, shamanicdreaming classes and stuff like
that. So I read his book and his
premise is that actually this ties into the fracturing of who
we are via photographs as well. Because he says every time you
experience a trauma, say, right,something terrible happens, you

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lose a part of yourself or that part gets stuck in that moment,
you know, so you're 8 years old and you're in a terrible car
accident. The brain gets so freaked out
that it almost like fractures. That part of it just gets like
stuck and like, and like psychological research shows
that that's essentially true, that trauma gets imprinted onto

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the brain. So it's like that moment never
actually ends for the subconscious.
It's an ongoing moment because it's so freaked out that it's
like white knuckle holding on tothis moment.
So there's a fracture because now there's you operating in the
present, just being a conscious human going through your
day-to-day life. And then there's the part of
your subconscious that's still white knuckle grit holding on to

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that moment. So now there's a fracture,
there's a split, right? Right.
So he goes throughout our life, and this is very natural.
It's just part of being a human.You lose different pieces of
yourself along the way, right? So something happens here and
you get stuck on that. Something happens there, you get
stuck on that. And it happened so many times,

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you know, someone makes fun of you in middle school and you
feel ridiculed and rejected and then and then something gets
stuck there, right? Whatever.
And then your, your duty as a conscious adult is to go back,
travel through those, those those periods of time,
regathering and collecting thosepieces of yourself and

(07:22):
integrating them back into your whole self.
So you're getting these fractured parts of yourself.
So if Beyoncé had to do this, like if, if it were literal,
she'd have to go into people's homes and like, take her picture
back in order to reclaim that part of her that was broken off
and stolen, right? You know, the Internet, it makes

(07:43):
it even harder for Beyoncé. But like, but according to this
book, Robert Moss, he says our dreams provide the opportunity
to do that right, that we can actually very often our dreams
are that stuck part of our psyche, right, calling out for
attention in a in a hyper symbolic way, Sure.

(08:06):
And then we can actually go backinto the dream through lucid
dreaming, through visualization,whatever it is, and claim it,
give ourselves what we need, what whatever it is, you know,
whatever The thing is. So I agree with everything
you're saying. Let me hit it from the the Yang
though, or the Yang. I think these impressions and

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imprints and sort of core memories that we hold on to are
not always associated with trauma either.
I think that we totally. Yeah, yeah.
I don't want to. Over the immense accomplishment
or love of a person, right? Totally.
And that's sort of where the dream girl, dream boy type

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archetype came from. Interesting.
Yeah. Where your lit your brain is
literally dreaming of joy of love, of something potential of
togetherness Yeah, of relationships, what have you or
of laughter right. You know happiness and that can
also be reflected, you know in the dream world and but but what

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you want to do still what you'resaying is having a healthy
river. I think so much with trauma,
especially where we get and withjoy, which can lead to trauma of
good intentions. Right, Hamlet, I think what
happens is we build the dam withthese, with these sort of core

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experiences throughout our memory, and we're blocking up
that river, that flow of consciousness.
Yeah, you know, where these fractures that have happened.
What we should rather do is include the joy and happiness
into our everyday consciousness.Sure.
And include the trauma to acceptit, come to terms with it,

(09:57):
freaking Woodsworth style, rewrite it.
Right. Have a good time, travel back to
that time, read, write your history.
Yeah. And then we can get to a point
of, yeah, you know, a flow statein life.
I love that. Yeah, actually that's a fucking

(10:18):
great, great point. Cuz very often up until like
this very moment now my, my whole mindset has changed.
Thank you, Jake. Same for a.
Long time I've been like happiness, happiness.
How do you, what does happiness look like?
How do you pursue it? You know, as if it's something
to, to be achieved. And, and now, now I'm thinking

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it's like, no, it's not about like amplifying joy in your life
or anything. It's it's actually just about
flowing, just flowing the energywhich tends to offer more joy.
But like, yeah, just opening. And this is this is like Qigong
or something like that. You know, it's like working with

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like the the energetic body, right?
Like the energy is flowing through your body like a lot of
like. The Chi.
Yeah, exactly. Like acupuncture and stuff like
that is like this chi energy moving through your body.
And if you're experiencing pain or getting sick in a certain
way, it's because that there isn't exactly what you're
describing. There's a dam, there's a
blockage in the in the kidney, for example.

(11:22):
So now you're getting like a kidney stone and you need to
release that energy because because the human body is meant
to be porous. And fluid.
We should. Yeah.
Probably. Yeah.
Yeah. Seriously.
And what's happening when you'reyoung?
Yeah. Getting night terrors and
repetitive terrors, Right, Right.
Well, it's maturation to your body's going through all kinds

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of hormonal states, your brains growing.
You're not fully developed yet. Yeah.
So therefore your flow of of consciousness is chaotic.
It's, you know, it's Rapids is what's happening.
Therefore, your dream state willreflect chaos like that.

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And how do we reflect chaos in acinematic?
You know, amplification of fear.Yeah, I remember my freaking
night terrors were wild. They lit.
One of them would literally takeplace in a movie theater.
Like, went and saw city slickerstoo.

(12:24):
And I would have this night terror where the city slickers
guy would come out of the screenand just like, huge head, you
know, yeah, wake up screaming. And then I would have this
repetitive nightmare. Yeah, that would happen up until
I was like, in my 20s, Yeah. Where these pale, like, oh, God,

(12:45):
people would float in this city.And they would chase me, like,
very slowly, but I couldn't get away from them.
And it was like an 18th century,like England.
Yeah. And they'd have top hats and
trench coats and, like, follow me around.
And then later in my, like, 20s,I found this movie called Dark

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City. Yeah.
And they were just like, just thinking it was so weird.
And I was like, I know this movie.
So, you know, And it could be that sort of Wi-fi's thing where
if I were to put that on on the Internet or something, a bunch
of people would be like, they dreamt of them, too.
Oh, God, that's fucking wild. Yeah, like that one dude
everybody would dream about, youknow, crazy.

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Well, man, this gets in the CarlJung's collective unconscious.
Yeah, definitely. Where we're also, you know,
dreaming of these old past experiences of other people's
lives that are currently living.We're all in a collective
conscious, right, Right. And then when you get into a
relationship with somebody, well, he explains it as like

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energy, right? The, the like, I can't remember
exactly the word, but there's like a beam of energy that
connects you to you and the collective unconscious.
So you start dreaming of each other, all this stuff.
So when you sever that connection and break up, it's
devastating, right? It's this like cosmic thing that

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goes down, you know? Yeah.
God, there's so many things to say there.
It's fascinating, all of it. Well, one, I want to point out
the whole image of of something behind the movie screen crawling
out of the screen. Like there's something deeply
terrifying about that for you. And IS cinephiles, right?

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Like, one, your dream child to dream of?
Like, yeah, dude. City slickers.
Yeah, exactly. The ring climbing out.
And that's also, that was an arrival, right?
I mean there's the whole like setting where it's the the
aliens. Goes behind the screen.
Exactly, exactly on the their aliens are on the other side of
the screen. And then it's that trans

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transmission into that other space, into that other world
that's that's frightening, ethereal, all of that.
And what is the dream if not that itself?
Right. The dream is when the veil has
been lifted, right. You have the conscious world,
and then you have the unconscious world.
And when you're dreaming, you'restepping into that unconscious

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space. So there is something and you
don't know what's in there. Yeah.
You know, so that's why I think dreams are kind of inherently
scary. And there's a great fear, too,
of having your dreams realized. You know, we've talked about the
fear of success. Before seriously, the dream is
coming out of the screen or it'sbehind the.

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Screen exactly. Unconscious, yeah.
So even if it's a good dream, you know, fear of success, fear
of having your dreams realized. Right.
Perhaps it's a nightmare. Perhaps it's too good to be
true. All this stuff, Wow.
You know, there's something there that we at some level
prefer these boundaries. You know, we prefer to have the

(15:59):
screens protecting us because when you're watching a movie,
you're, you're safe, right? You're comfortable.
You're, you're not in the in thehavoc that's going on in the
movie. You know that heptapods aren't,
you know, fucking speaking to you in their language and shit.
We're just watching that from a distance.
We're safe. We're safe, you know, However,

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when we enter that space, when we start to dissolve those
boundaries, and then we realize,oh shit, I'm here.
This is life. I've been here the whole time.
Oh God, that's scary. Because now, now it's risky.
Now there's not that separation.Me watching the movie, it's like
you are the movie. Right on the other hand,

(16:44):
sometimes we that's we live our lives for the dream, the
American dream, the. Yeah, there's the dream.
Girl, the dream guy, you know we're trying to constantly get
behind our own screen or have they come out and pop out at us,
right? So we can live it and
experience, you know, the, the dream self.

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And what's so disappointing about reality is we can never
quite get back to the dream. You know, nostalgia is not
always what it seems. Sometimes it's.
Better you know it's. It's it's an interesting thing
and also the like how people aresaying like the American dreams
dead or it was never alive or. All, well, it was.

(17:26):
It was just a dream. And then we get back to the
signs and symbols of what something should mean, shouldn't
mean, and which gets us back to the logogram, which is, you
know, free of constraint and time and all this stuff.
Exactly exactly which the dream space is also that way as.
Well, right, seeing that's fascinating because in that
sense, we are if if we engage onthat process of collecting and

(17:53):
reintegrating those lost pieces of ourselves, right.
If we do choose to do that via dreams, whatever, when we, what
are we working towards? Right.
OK, you integrate all of these lost pieces of yourself via that
dream book and then in order to become whole again.
But what does that actually mean?
You become the logogram, right? The arrival.

(18:16):
It's like you become that. It's not just now that I am
reading the logogram language that transcends time and linear
thinking and all that stuff and and duality, all that kind of
stuff. I'm not just reading it and it's
like this like trippy little thing.
It's like, no, no, you become the logogram.
You yourself are a poem. You yourself are a piece of art,

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you know, in Foucault, Foucault's way.
But you're it's not just that you've become a piece of art,
you've become a hyper dimensional.
Yes. Piece of art, right?
Right. So now you yourself, you see
that you yourself are not transcend in because there's
nothing to transcend in the 1st place, because you were already

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transcended. Transcended right yes is that
making sense 100% yeah yeah yeahexactly you are maybe the gram
yeah maybe that's how man we need to start lucid dreaming
maybe that's how we I've. Done some of it, bro.
Yeah. It's fascinating.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wow, man. But sometimes dreams are

(19:21):
terrifying. Like, Oh yeah.
I was trying to remember some dreams I've had recently and
there's one that particularly sticks out.
I woke up and I remember like, hearing like, sirens, like bomb
sirens, like is the 1950s. And I opened my window and I
could see missiles in the sky. And then for some reason, my

(19:42):
perspective like switch to like the mountains in Los Alamos and
I just saw all the missiles hit the mountain and it just like
imploded and ex exploded freaking high up into the air.
And I was like sweaty man, yeah,yeah.
And I like had to go get Dalton.And the next thing you know, me

(20:04):
and Dalton were like rage driving Goldie down the road.
Like woke up, you know, but likewoke up in a fucking panic, you
know? Yeah.
And what makes me that makes me kind of think of.
Just the layering of dreams and the idea of them.
Think about the oracles, right? Shamans.

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Prophets in the Bible like Isaiah.
Yeah, Joseph. Daniel, whatever.
Yeah, these premonitions would come to them when you're asleep.
Exactly, exactly. God.
God would come to them. The Angel Gabriel comes to,
right? The Virgin Mary, right?
I mean, yes, dude, of course we're back on the Bible.
We talked about this for the party.
We're like, let's not do a bips club.

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So here we are. Jesus one.
Jesus one. Let's say it.
JJJ. Come on.
JJ OK, so in the Bible, Angel gave Gabriel comes down to to
Mary when she's a a virgin 16 year old girl, right And is like
you if you want, you know, and it's you have you have free

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will. He said.
You know, it's, if you want, youcan be the mother of God and you
can be the one through whom God speaks in human form, right.
The word made flesh, which is that phrase itself is fucking
wild, right? The word made flesh.
Yeah. Anyway, Logogram.
So exactly Jesus was the logogram.

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Oh yeah. Jesus was like, that's all
right, right. Oh, man, what's the power,
right? Which was language with himself.
Exactly, bro. Exactly.
Exactly. Saves the soul.
So. Incredible.
So Gabriel comes down, do you want to be the mother of God?
And the 16 year old girl listensto her dream right and says yes,

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right. So via dream like that is where
Jesus is then conceived within Mary's womb, right?
Is within the dream space withinthe subconscious, right?
I mean, she is literally in a state of active dreaming.

(22:21):
She's in an R.E.M. state, right?Rapid eye movement.
That's when you're dreaming restat night.
That is the state that the Virgin Mary is in as she as she
is being, I don't know what the right word is, I guess
impregnated, but you know, conceived with the Immaculate
Conception, right is, is the product of a dream.

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So then everything in that story, you know, and, and the
story matters because I mean, it's literally shaped global
history for at least two millennia.
Now all of that comes back down to a 16 year old girl's dream.
Right. That's pretty wild.
That's wild. That's pretty wild.

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Yeah, yeah. The manifestation of it, yes,
you know, Yeah. And it goes into the into
consent to consenting to a life choice in one's dream.
Right which? Then equals out to a conscious

(23:24):
reality, right? Yeah.
How can we do that? Other than lucid dreaming I
suppose. Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, I've had that. I mean, OK, here's a dream that
I had in 2020. I think it was high pandemic
time where I'm I'm in this dreamand it's like a Civil War era,

(23:48):
right, right. And all these guys are ready for
war. You know, we're, we're inside of
this like large cabin or something.
But it's clear that we're like preparing to go to battle.
Everyone's like getting dressed and stuff.
And all these soldiers are readyto go in their in their union
uniforms. And then I'm having trouble

(24:09):
putting my boots on, you know, And I'm like, you know, I'm
nervous because we're about to go into war and I'm putting
these boots on and I'm struggling with it.
And then all of a sudden, the scene just stops, right?
Time stops. Everyone freezes except for me,
right? And then I start, oh fuck, wait,
let me go back a little bit. I start praying because I'm

(24:32):
freaked out in this moment. You know, I'm trying to put
these boots on. Everyone's ready for battle.
So then I start praying, you know, being from a Catholic
background, Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed are that right? And then I start praying and
time stops. Every, everything stops.
Everything freezes. And I stop struggling with the

(24:52):
boot. And I just like, look around,
right? Oh shit.
And then everyone, all these other soldiers just start to
dissolve. And now I'm going lucid and
realizing I'm in a dream. And then this young blonde woman
walks up to me and she's wearingblue and she and she looked like

(25:14):
I've had this happen before in dreams, like where all these
dream figments dissolve. And then this figure who seems
like much more real enters in. No, I'm not sure if that's like,
because it's a much more real part of my psyche or because
it's like this external to me angelic figure that's, I don't
know, you know, whatever. I don't know the source of it.

(25:36):
So this woman walks in and I recognize her as Mary Sydney,
Right. And, and then everything's calm
and I oh, yeah. And then I'm freaked out and
everything still and she goes and she's just showing me

(25:56):
compassion and ease and all of that.
And I'm and it's all kind of nonverbal.
But I'm asking her just like why?
You know, like why do I have to do this?
Go through struggle, go through suffering, go through
difficulty? You know, again, it's in this in

(26:17):
a war setting, right, which is just symbolic of just strife and
and life generally. And then she goes every
everyone, everyone has to, you know, and it's something you
need to do on your own. But there is a bigger picture
here. And you will get through this,

(26:39):
you know, and whatever, you know, in the context of whatever
difficulty was going in, in my life at the time, I don't even
really remember, but like, but it was just this, I don't know,
just this higher subconscious being or whatever it was coming
into my dream saying like, like,I know there is struggle, there
is suffering, and I'm sorry, butyou can do it and you will do

(27:03):
it. And everyone's got to do it.
After that. No, because it wasn't about the
boots, you know, because that was, if anything, me trying to
fit into into something that didn't.
Work for me, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Because then she and I just, we leave the building and then
we're outside in like this natural setting, and then it
feels much more free and good. And the war's over.

(27:24):
The war's over. Yeah, and, and, or at least we
got some respite from it. And, and again, her main message
was, you know, everyone has to do it, but you're strong.
And that's what happens when yourealize everyone has to do it.
The war ends. Yeah.
And you, we realize we put too much anxieties on our own lives

(27:46):
and our own existence. You know, it's just something
that we have to go through. Yeah.
And you deal with it, and you come to peace with it, right?
With the war. Yeah.
And life is fire war. Goes away, we create our own
war. Oh, very much so.
Very much so. Yeah, we do.
We do, absolutely. But life is fire, you know?
It's like, because I think I think I brought up like the near

(28:09):
death experience videos I was watching, but so many of these
people come back from the other side and say.
Like, right, right. They've realized that their soul
incarnated in in in in this lifetime in order to learn a
lesson or something like that. And when you frame life that
way, difficulty takes on a much different tone because now it's
just, it no longer is just like,why is this happening to me?

(28:31):
This is terrible and becomes I'mI'm growing my soul.
This is this is ripening me. It's ripening my soul.
You know, there's something likethat.
So creates the suffering still there, but just gives a little
more context to meaning. Right, right.
So. Yeah, I like that kind of making

(28:53):
me think of Freud, too, because he loved dreams.
Yeah, it was all about it. But he had a good one, good
liner that was like, you know, he, he finishes a huge
examination of everything in a dream.
And then the the patient asked him, well, what about the cigar?
And he says, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

(29:15):
You don't have to like, I like that.
So deep into it. You know, a lot of things are
like the boot, right? Sometimes the boot is just a
boot. Sometimes.
It's just a boot. Right.
And really the conversation was,which is interesting cuz like a
lot of classic interpretations, you're falling off of a hill or

(29:36):
you can't get up somewhere or something like that.
While that means in your own life that you feel like you're
falling or you're not accomplishing what you wanted to
accomplish. And it's not until in your real
life you make changes and move on, or, you know, find that job
you're looking for, go to college, or break up with that

(29:57):
person, that you'll actually start having better dreams.
Oh, totally. Totally equal your dreams.
No, these dreams are wonderful messages.
Yeah. I, I mean, I've come to the
realization that's like our bodies, our whole Organism is
constantly telling us where we're at.
You know, so for example, if like, like when I was a high

(30:18):
school teacher, I started to getsick, which I, I just kept
getting sick. Right.
You know, and it was like until finally I was like, what is my
body trying to tell me? Well, one, it's rundown, it's
tired, my immune system's hurting and I'm getting burnt
out. So of course I'm getting sick.

(30:40):
You know, I'm not saying that there's this like even just like
higher intelligence or somethingthat's like making me sick.
So I need to realize that I needto work less or something.
It was just, it was just a natural progression of what was
happening. I was overwhelmed, burnt out,
excuse me, burnt out and then start getting sick.
And then I listened to that. So then took a few days off here

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and there and then was feeling better, but then started to
realize, wow, I'm feeling dread when I'm going to work, right?
So what's that? I can either push that away and
be like, no, I have to go to work.
Like I can't feel dread. I have to go make money.
I have to do this, I have to do that.
Or I can say, wait, what's this dread telling me?
You know, and the dread was telling me like, get a new

(31:25):
fucking job, bro. You know, So you listen to those
things. And I think dreams are doing the
same thing. You know, if like I'm burnt out
and my body's getting sick, which means my body's telling me
you've had enough of this. If I if, like you're saying,
you're having dreams of you freaking rolling down a hill,
being attacked, all this sort ofstuff, then it's like at some

(31:50):
point you need to say shit, OK, maybe there's something to this.
Maybe I'm not living in alignment with what's authentic
and true to me. Maybe this, maybe that, you
know, and I dream the other night it was totally fucking
random. Maybe it was just a the cigar is
a cigar kind of dream, but I'm hanging out with The Beatles.

(32:12):
Right, right. And John Lennon, I saw Kurt
Cobain interview once and Kurt Cobain said how his favorite
Beatle was John Lennon because he goes, you could tell that
John Lennon was kind of a disturbed person, you know, And
coming from Kurt Cobain, I guesshe really identified with that.
And he goes, he goes, he didn't like Paul McCartney songs

(32:32):
because they're like too cute and cringy, but he goes, John
was like disturbed, which gave him like a creative edge.
So in this dream, I'm hanging out with The Beatles and I'm
just like, looking, looking at John, John Lennon.
And I was like, damn, that dude's really disturbed.
And he like, looks kind of like,you know, like he's like
tweaking out a little bit playing this guitar.

(32:53):
And then I woke up and I was like, you know, I don't know.
What do you think? Was that like totally random?
Or was it saying like oh I I have some disturbance in me that
I need to address? OK.
So this is what's leading me into what I wanted to say to
you. Yeah, yeah.
Is recognizing your own growth in your dreamscapes interesting

(33:13):
And recognizing the positivitiesin your conscious life, in the
subconscious dreamscape. Yeah.
So in this situation, you went from Colorado, Schwartz, Jared,
John Lennon, you know, Albuquerque teaching, right?
Yeah. To now fully fully progressed

(33:36):
Jared that can see the shorts and be like the John Lennon be
like what's with that guy are. You talking about the Schwartz
like in Malkovich? Malkovich, right, Right.
Yeah. The sad, like puppet artists.
Yeah. That's the Kurt Cobain suicide.
John Lennon, you know, so now you've matured so much from that

(33:56):
person and done so much mental work that your dreams are
reflecting you seeing your John Lennon self interestingly,
what's up with that dude? You know, and now you like have
a cool hot girlfriend. You're like cool job and a cool
school program. You have all this shit going on
for you. You know what I mean?
I'm like fuck. Yeah, I'm.

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Driving the dreamscape is showing it, you know, like my
dream the other day I was telling you about me and you
were on the Silk Road that. Was tight.
That was tight. Fucking on the Silk Road.
We had a great day working it. The dream started after the day.
That shit was so cool. It was.
Nighttime campfire in the desert.
We had a beautiful freaking yeah.
Stars were out and me and you were counting all our rubies we

(34:40):
made that day. We're so sick.
I love I was in a shot that was a good.
Lifetime. Yeah, when you and I were.
That was working on the Silk Road.
That was so Merchant's got Silk Road.
So much money. But what's happening in my own
current life, too, is I'm I'm good.
I've been like working. A lot, you know?
Yeah. Getting super stable like you

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know, family life, going on vacations, good friendships,
relationships, healthy like you.Know we're thriving.
Thriving. We're both thriving.
We're on the look at this on thesilk.
Road. We're back on the Silk Road,
yeah. Episode titled The Silk Grande.
Dude, that's funny because like,I think I'm, I've been in my
life generally like so used to feeling like I was struggling or

(35:21):
like trying to like make it workor get to the right spot where
it's like I'm, yeah, I'm thriving, so are you.
And it's like, wow, what's the issue?
There's no issue. Things are pretty cool right
now. Enjoy it.
Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah, that's cool.
Yeah. And, you know, I don't know,
just sounds like a good situation to you, you know, on

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both sides, both sides of the track.
So great. And it's not like you're also in
relationship. You just, like, met somebody
intellectually, too. It's freaking awesome.
Yeah. You know, these are all gonna be
reflections of the good dream. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, and the and vice versa.
Yeah, You know, my dad has a funny WI Files conspiracy theory

(36:06):
that we're dreaming of somebody else and they are dreaming of us
in a different, it's like two different lives or.
Yeah. But sometimes I feel like the
dream world is literally like a different life that I'm leading.
Like I remember like meeting certain people or I always go to
like this weird mall, like the 1990s Coronado Mall.

(36:30):
And I'm either like in the air ducts, like, you know, going
into the movie theater or like, you know, having lunch and going
up an escalator or something. You know, there's just or having
a traumatic fight with like, I don't know, somebody or
something. Right.
Interesting. It's weird too, that I only like

(36:52):
Dream. I've only really dreamt of
Hillary. What do you mean in terms of
like relationship? Dreams sort of thing.
Forever. Well, she's still Taylor, bro.
She's mother's Taylor. Robert Burton.
Yeah. Exactly.
Pretty sure I've even had a dream of her being Cleopatra

(37:14):
lecturing at me. I'm my toga.
But you know, I don't know. Super interesting.
I love the dream talk, you know,because it's it's a different
dimension. Plus me and you, we completely
changed the way we live our lives now.
Yeah, after this conversations. Yeah, everything's different.
Now everything's different. We're trying to get that flow of

(37:36):
the Silk Road right. The silk flow.
Yeah, the silk flow. Yeah, yeah, successful
merchants. Yeah, Flow Rd.
Chilling with our camel Haggard.Yeah, that's a cool lifetime.
I enjoyed that one. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
I had this dream the other nightthat was like, you got you got
some time or you got to. I got to get Dolly in 10

(37:58):
minutes. OK, cool.
It was really disorienting. Have you ever had like sleep
paralysis? Oh, sure.
I think I was having some like sleep paralysis going on.
So I was. Oh, it's terrifying.
Yeah. So it was like half dreaming,
half awake, half sleep paralysis.
It was, it was, it was a lot. It was a lot, Yeah.

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And then I'm, I'm in this bar, which makes sense because I'm
working in this bar, you know, and like, I'm totally
disoriented, though. I like, don't know where I am,
don't know what state I'm in, don't know the people in there.
And there's only a few people. And there's like this bar space
and then some side room is really weird.

(38:40):
And I'm like, can't like keep myeyes straight.
Everything's kind of blurry, youknow?
And then I felt like I was like,I was like, there was someone
that I was like supposed to meetor like something like that.
And I was like, yeah, it's just this the, the maybe anxiety
around like you're supposed to like meet up with someone and

(39:02):
they're not there or you're not or they're in that dream space.
I was like forgetting who it was.
And I was like, where, what am Idoing, you know?
And then the name Ophelia Hamlet, right?
Was was coming through and I waslike, and I was like, I was like
Ophelia. I feel like, was I supposed to?

(39:24):
Was I supposed to meet up with Ophelia here?
You know there's Dolly there. Hold on.

(40:04):
Yeah, so we just took our dog walk hiatus, but yeah, So
Ophelia, so I'm in this space, very disorienting.
And it was Yeah. And this like, I was like,
almost this like, who was it? Who was it?
Something like that. And then the name, I was like

(40:26):
grasping at it. And I was like, what is this?
And then it was Ophelia, which as we know from the Hamlet pod,
Hamlet's girlfriend Ophelia, whois representative of the dream
space, right, right, right. The space of, of, well,

(40:46):
insanity, really more, more thanthe dream space.
Yeah. So I don't know what that dream
was getting at. And I remember, like walking
into this other room and there'slike someone sitting there
almost like expecting me or something.
Like, it's really bizarre. Yeah.
It's really strange. I can't I I didn't get enough
information to like fully understand any of that.
Can I play Freud with that? Please go ahead.

(41:07):
Maybe it's this final step you're taking is finding roots
in a place, sort of finding Ophelia as the, you know,
massage and metras toes out there in the monastery.
And just like kind of keep continuing to go into these
rooms, you know, and like you need to like actually not find

(41:28):
Ophelia in a way, recognize the Ophelias there and now
accomplish this final step of maturation that you've been kind
of grasping at a little bit. And I say that because this is
something that you've expressed recently, right, as sort of the
the main contention or like, of course you'd love that place.

(41:53):
You know, it's fine, you know, whatever.
But needing to have your own space.
Yeah. You know, fortress solitude,
charitude. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, 1 metaphor you made once
that was like helpful. Remember the you're like the
only benefit you get from doing deadlifts is being able to do
more deadlifts. Right, right.

(42:14):
You know, that's yeah. Yeah, I think that's, that's
where I'm at with the monastery at this point where it's like,
yeah, it just feels like doing that game in order just to like
get better at that game. And it's kind of a ridiculous
game sometimes. Yeah, but.
Totally. Anyway, yeah.
So yeah, could be yeah, that next.

(42:34):
Right. Stage of of maturation, walking
through the land of Ophelia, youknow.
Right, right. Towards the other side.
Seeing seeing the psychosis Maryfinding it actually right right.
Well, is there something to it there then?
Is actually tapping into that dream space?

(42:54):
Ophelia being the shaman figure.Interesting.
You know, looking at a way from a different perspective as the
Metra's just in general, right? Dreaming of Ophelia, What does
that mean? Maybe it means something of
yourself. Is Hamlet esque?
Perhaps? Oh, very, very much.

(43:17):
Because that's who Hamlet was seeking to throughout the play
right now. The love of Ophelia.
Interesting. What do you think of like the
dream space as feminine? And even your shaman was the
woman in the blue dress. Yeah, the woman in the blue
dress, right, Ophelia? And I think there is like this,

(43:42):
I don't know what to call it, tradition or something of like
the female or the feminine as more so associated with
nighttime moon cycles, dreams, all that kind of stuff.
You know, you're talking about like your dream boy, dream girl,
dream partner, whatever. And I think matic, Pixie, dream

(44:04):
girl, that sort of thing that comes up in film, Right?
Yeah. But yeah, what do you think?
There's something there that's worth exploring?
You know, the feminine as the dream aspect.
Interesting. In terms of energies, you know,
that doesn't even necessarily mean just like women.
It could just mean that the feminine energy.

(44:24):
So I'm thinking of the dream world now as something more of a
metaphysical place, because it'scertainly not conscious per SE.
It's not something we experiencein the material sense.
Right? Yeah.
It's almost like memory in a way.
That being said, there's like a maternal, the, is there like a

(44:49):
maternal nurturing nature of it?Sort of the mother Earth, the
philosophical, the like, and youknow, the life giver and
nurturer of the self, which can only then be female, right?
Because the male doesn't necessarily the Omega doesn't

(45:12):
necessarily get into that realm.So it would only be natural for
the dream space to be feminine, inherently feminine.
And in that perspective, is there anything to that?
So I listened to this talk once by this guy.
James Hillman is a Jungian psychotherapist writer, and he

(45:35):
had this crazy fucking analysis of the Apollo mission to the
moon, right? So he goes and he said it was
all descriptive of like male hubris, you know?
And he goes, you have the Apollomission.
So you have this little machine called Apollo, which is sun God

(45:57):
of sun, reason, rationality, logic, all that stuff, right?
Which if we're going to kind of to talk about masculine and
feminine energies, right, right.That stuff is typically
associated with the more masculine energy, right?
So you take this masculine vehicle, essentially this little

(46:18):
semen pod that's shooting out into space, going towards this
big glowing orb, the moon, right?
And then again, the moon as feminine, Luna, nighttime dream
space, all of that. So he goes symbolically, when we
sent the Apollo mission, which was all male astronauts as like

(46:39):
the 60s, to the moon, it was symbolically this effort of the
conscious to project itself intothe dreamscape, you know, and
not just integrate the dreamscape, but to colonize the
dreamscape. OK, OK.

(47:01):
Right. Which when you do that kind of
pushes that further away. Because I think the whole, not
the whole point, but a big pointof that dream space is to see it
and integrate it and understand it, get to know it, explore it.
You know, not to own it, not to put it in a container, not

(47:23):
something like that, but to go not to plant a flag in it,
right, and say this is mine now.Well, what's happening is we
actually grow from it. Yeah.
And become it, right. And it's not necessarily a
colonization. It's a matter, it's a dual, dual
dueling sort of thing where we actually don't exist without

(47:47):
this sort of the moon in the female scape, right?
We do, but not to this point. Maturation and consciousness.
And all this actually comes postbirth right?
You need the female to grow withinside in order to then become
man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or to become a person, man or female or whatever the case,

(48:09):
right. Yeah.
So essentially, if we take that sort of birthing prenatal,
whatever the case metaphor with the dreamscape, what's actually
happening is we're going back toa maternal space or a sort of

(48:32):
growing state within the within the womb, back to a womb space
of the consciousness where therewe can grow, mature and become
into a person. So it's almost like the womb for
the conscious, for the consciousness, if the
consciousness was a thing. The subconscious dream space is

(48:54):
our womb where we grow and the one place that nurtures us and
is always there, always already is the mother.
And we're getting that power andwisdom and such a through that
body, right? Right.
And it's not actually until the interaction with the fathers
later that you then can learn conscious growth, Right.

(49:19):
But it's the womb of our brains that the dream space is.
Yeah. That's incredible.
So dreams as a gestation pod. Who?
You know, dream as the womb. Yeah, like quite literally going
in and and birthing different parts of yourself, you know, So
if we look at the Virgin Mary myth, you know, it's like.

(49:43):
Oh, right, right. I mean going background.
Into the dream space. Immaculate Conception,
conceiving something from that dream space and then birthing it
into reality, into the. Conscious space you.
Know what I mean? And this is what artists do.
Or shamanic healers. Any of that goes into the dream

(50:05):
space and then births whatever findings into reality, you know?
And it's not actually until later.
Does Jesus then interact with the Father God and he becomes
baptized as an older man like inhis 20s right or something?

(50:26):
Or whatever. Not until way later on in life
does the conscious Jesus self get wisdom and mature through
the Father. Yeah, see that's fascinating.
And if we're, if we're kind of doing this reading of, of this
stuff in terms of feminine, masculine, man, woman, all that

(50:47):
kind of stuff, like 1 critique I've heard of like male culture
in today's society is that thereis no clear rite of passage,
right. Like in ancient cultures and
stuff like that, there would be some kind of clear delineation
between being a boy and being a man.
You would go through some kind of right of passage, vision,

(51:09):
quest, initiation, whatever it is in which you say, in which
you and the society says you arenow the bar mitzvah.
Yeah, you are a man now. Right.
You know, welcome. And with that comes a level of
responsibility, right? A level of expectation, all of
that. So that's been jettisoned by our

(51:30):
culture and it and if that's true and that could be argued
for sure, but you know, let's gowith the reading.
If that's true, then we are living in a nation of boys,
which I I largely think. Is is the case?
Yeah. So I guess to like, OK, using
the Jesus thing, it's like to begestated within a dream,

(51:55):
conceived within a dream, and then birthed through the mother.
And this is true of just like psychological development, you
know, children mostly identify, and this is very general, but
mostly identify with the mother up until a certain age.
And then there's more identification with the father,
you know, and again, that's super general, might not be
true. But at any rate, like you're

(52:19):
saying, there's just different roles there.
You're in that more maternal space for a while and then
you're in the more paternal space for a while, right?
And then ideally you just becomeyour own adult, your own
integrated diet. You're no longer relying on
mommy and then daddy. You're now an adult who is
responsible, you know, in the sense that you're able to

(52:42):
respond to life and situations. But then how?
Would we care for ourselves postparental?
Well, we would use the same tools as the womb, as the
mother, as the father. Exactly.
Yeah. And that this goes into, you
know, your conscious dreaming now, you're still trying to grow
yourself, care for yourself because that's really what

(53:03):
growth is, is survival, too. Yeah.
You know, and understanding and awareness of the world, not
touching the stove, this and that.
Yeah. So once we leave the parental
circle, we have to create this circle on our own, which to me
is the dreamscape warnings and also accomplishments.

(53:25):
As we're saying the Silk Road, you know, also the thriving
dreams, you know, because what happens in the womb when you you
know, nourishment? What happens when your child
parents reward you this and that, right?
While same thing when the in theadult staged dreamworld is we

(53:49):
get disciplined and rewarded according to our conscious
decisions in that sort of maternal space that we create
for ourselves where we can thirdperson look at our actions or
our relationships or whatever and say I want this, I don't
want this. This is my fear manifested.

(54:10):
This is love manifested. This is, you know, friendships
manifested and then if we can make a strong connection with
those, with those dreams, with the conscious self, perhaps you
can find that flow state we're talking about in the beginning,
the Silk Road that connected cultures, connected the self,
you know? Oh, interesting, interesting.

(54:32):
So that we can get into that integration.
Yeah, 'cause the Silk Road and you and I counting our rubies
after a good, good sale, Right, Right.
Which is? We are there, bro.
Yeah. You know, but that's like, yeah.
What was the Silk Road, you know, and it was this path of
like great cultural exchange andtrade and all of this between

(54:55):
regions and nations and, and allof that.
So like, yeah, I mean, the Silk Road in, in your own, the Silk
Road of your own mind, you know?Right, right, right.
Finding a place where also the conscious self is integrated,
You know, in a positive, healthyway.
You know, seeing things culturally, you know, Having

(55:18):
good experiences with students, teaching friendships, family,
you know, making money, commerce.
We're saying, listen, there's nothing like couldn't be more
traumatizing or unhealthy for your stressful than being broke,
having the poor man's stomach. Yeah, it's nice to be able to be

(55:40):
like, take your kid out on a vacation, whatever.
Nice place to stay, rest your head, the osprey nest.
You know, listen, man, there's nothing like what's the word I'm
looking for? Envious.
You should be with an osprey that doesn't have a nest, you

(56:00):
know, starving most of the time.That poor osprey, you know, it's
the Silk Road. It's cool to, like, be happy we
got a bunch of gems so we could,like, live a fun human life
despite, you know, the bureaucracy of the Silk Road.
Right, right, right. Finding a home in it, Yeah,

(56:21):
yeah. It's a star.
It's still part of nature too, you know, out there in the
Sandy. It's.
God, that's interesting. Yeah.
And find that's beautiful. Yeah.
And finding out what's real for us too, you know, within that
dynamic that you're describing, I think because it's like going

(56:43):
back to the becoming your own adult, exceeding the, the mommy,
exceeding the daddy, going goingfurther, you know, further, like
Ken Kesey's bus across the country further, you know, go
further and like which side note, that shit was wild, you
know about that, Like Ken Kesey and the Merry Prankster.

(57:04):
Easy. Wild, yeah.
Like they. So apparently I just heard this
the other day listening to something part of that because
they're driving from the West Coast to the east and they were
very consciously, they like wrote about this.
They were like, we are undoing like manifest destiny.
We are going in the opposite direction that the country grew

(57:25):
in, because we're going to, theystart a new revolution, a
revolution of the psyche, right?And then they get in this bus
further Dr. East and just start handing fucking tabs of acid out
to people along the way, right? What the hell?
What fucking weirdos. Who does shit like?
That, yeah. But anyway, like going further,
going beyond. I really like that idea, by the

(57:48):
way, going back east. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Undoing the yeah, the initial direction.
Also, what culture, the the factthat now the Western culture is
so representative of contemporary culture because
it's recently made. Yeah.
What now is the culture of old New England, You know, old

(58:11):
Boston stuff. Interesting.
Maybe that's more the West now the you know.
Well, that's interesting. All right, let's talk about that
then. What's the frontier now?
Because right, right. I mean, actually here's a here's
a good question that that relates because it's like, OK,
Manifest destiny, you know, fromthe settlers perspective, you

(58:32):
move West, move West, go, you goWest, young man, you know,
right, Go, go create your life, go find your plot of land, go
become who you need to become, go West, You know, and then you
have California, which like in the end of the 20th century,
California's like this. They hosted the Olympics in like
the 80s and like it was this like the and it's like in a

(58:54):
fucking Red Hot Chili Peppers. They talk about whatever the
song is Californication, like like it's the edge of Western
civilization, which it was. It's like you've gone as far
West as you possibly could. That is where the project of
westward expansion and development of the quote UN
quote Western world ended. You know, it was like boom,

(59:17):
freaking Los Angeles, CA, the doors, Grateful Dead.
There's all the crazy, like, just explosion of culture.
California has such a sense of ethos in, in, in within the
context of like the Western world, right?
And that was like sort of the 20th century, you know, the end
of the 20th century. Now you see California burning

(59:40):
the fuck up. You know, during the pandemic,
it was just like people fleeing California because of the
extreme amount of homelessness. Fucked up.
Government, all this stuff, right?
Just housing prices, all of thisstuff, climate change, like
California imploding, right? Which is very symbolic of like,
OK, the edge of Western civilization has met its

(01:00:03):
conclusion essentially, right? So now we're stepping into
something else. There's another new frontier.
And I think in like the 90s, twothousands.com, boom, all that
stuff, it was like, OK, the nextfrontier is going to be a
virtual one. Right, right, right, right.
We, we've done it. We've plotted all the land.
There's nowhere else physically to go, right?

(01:00:24):
Except for maybe the moon, But that seems to be taking a bit
longer. So we're gonna go into virtual
space. That's the new frontier, right?
Right. And now that has been colonized
and corrupt and fucked up, you know, it's like corporations
took over the Internet, you knowall that.
Artificial Intel. Whereas initially, early 90's,
the Internet was perceived to bethis like free expanse where all

(01:00:47):
these like artists and thinkers could come in and just freely
share ideas as very utopian. And then very quickly it became
monetized and corporations take it over.
And here we are with social media destroying people's minds
and all this shit, right? So virtual space, that one's
kind of at its edge, you know, in terms of the new frontier

(01:01:08):
taking the bus further. Ken Keesey, Right.
So what's the next one? What's beyond virtual space?
I just tried VR for the very first time about 20 minutes ago
when Dalton was showing me. That shit tripped me out.
I still feel dizzy from it. So maybe VR space, but I feel
like that's also just going to, you know, it's not that

(01:01:29):
different from the Internet. It's just kind of a more
encompassing kind of space, but still the sort of the same
general thing. I don't know, it's dream space,
the final frontier, you know, it's dream space, the, the
frontier that because that's theone space that like the
corporate mentality, capitalism,power structures, all that shit

(01:01:52):
can't touch, you know, And even if they can, you can always go
deeper beyond it, you know, because you go deep into that
dream space, deep into the spaceof creative gestation of, of
Immaculate Conception. And from that emptiness, I mean,
you go in there and then it's what can touch you?

(01:02:14):
What's, you know, it's like, canthat be colonized?
Can that be concretized? What do you think?
They're a movie where they go into the dream space and their
people are like advertising in their dreams.
Yeah, that sounds like a Black Mirror episode.
Or something. Yeah, something like that.
God, that'd be terrible. I'd be so pissed if some
corporation was advertising in my dreams.

(01:02:35):
Yeah, that'd be awful. I mean, essentially there are.
Two things to say to that I think 1 the next frontier
mentally I would believe is and culturally is artificial
intelligence. As a like educator right now,
I've seen the immense change in not only the literature space
and like scholarly space, but the students, how they write and

(01:02:58):
everything. Like 80% of students use AI in
some sort of capacity. It's changing everything.
It's, it's fucking wild. It's kind of like literate,
legit change humanity in the next 10 to 15 years.
It's already but it's going to be noticeably different, you
know, and in 20 years we we're not even going to this is going

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to be a lot the. Robotics are getting good too.
They're going to have AIS like walking around like Android
they. Just had like robot race the
other day, you know, with peopleracing against the in a
marathon, like a series of robots looking crazy and they
were like breaking ankles. The robots, poor guys.
So poor guys. My ankle.

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That being said, I like how thisis leading us to a pendulum.
I like how you were saying the next frontier, which is taking
longer than expected, is outer space, essentially.
And with that new telescope we've just found like KB 12/8 or
whatever. And that's a planet that's like
five times the size of the Earth, but it's in the habitual

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zone. We've already scanned.
It has water, it has all the atmospheric gases that you need
for oxygen. It's in the you know, they have
a nice little star there. It's fucking it.
It's real. There's it's a gigantic planets.
Yeah, there's billions, there's billions, trillions.
So with the help of AI, we're now then gonna see a new.

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Frontier, about 100 years. Which is gonna be fucking back
to Prometheus episode 3, J to J.Right, check it out.
We're. Gonna be in the Weyland Company,
like going to KK 12 because withour AI we're gonna figure out
how to like put ourselves in cryogenic state, whatever the
case. Right, right, right.
Figure out lightspeed, whatever it is.

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OK, yeah. And see, here's what's I was
thinking about this the other day with the direwolves.
They brought the dire wolf back to life.
This thing, this species has notbeen live for 10,000 years and
all of a sudden they brought it back.
What the fuck kind of line was just broken?
Because that's fucking crazy. And the woolly mammoth is next.
And the dodo. So, and they're making their

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biologists are making like Raptor skin to make as purses
for like $100,000. And it's like real skin from
like, you know, recreated biological styles of Raptor.
Stuff that makes me want to throw up.
Dude that's so scary. How wild is that?
Yeah. And look, man, it's like, OK,

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all the great religious traditions, spiritual
traditions, say come present, step into the present.
That is where your salvation is.That's where anxiety cannot
exist in the present because anxiety is always related to the

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past or future. Fear, it's generally related to
the past or future unless you'reactually, you know, in a
dangerous situation, Right? Yeah.
Yeah. But generally come into the
present and we're OK What is there?
You know, it's OK. It's safe in the present.
So that's what all these traditions say, you know?

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And then we're living in a moment where we're bringing
fucking direwolves back to life.We're selling Raptor purses,
working on bringing the woolly mammoth back.
We're fucking with the time space continuum, right?
And then we're also finding freaking planet, KB 12,
whatever. We're launching off into space,

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We're going into virtual reality, space AI, all the shit.
So we're seeing this weird fucking juncture where the deep
past is coming is spilling and leaking into the press.
That makes me want to throw up. Dude, that's so scary.
Yeah, into our present, right. And it gives me this feeling and

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it's, it's still too early to tell what any of it's going to
mean, but it gives me this feeling of like, I feel like
there feel, it seems like there's a boundary being
crossed, like some kind of sacred boundary.
Yes. I I feel violated.
OK, OK. By by the past and the future
leaking out right into this present moment.

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And then it's like, even in the politics, right, you have these
like far future thinking politicians that are like, let's
go like fucking Green New Deal, clean this shit up.
Like we need to step into the next iteration of, of humanity
or else we're going to destroy ourselves.
And then you have this other segment that's saying, no, we

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need to go back to how it was, you know, So again, neither of
them are present, You know, bothof them.
You have the the the people who are fetishizing the past and the
people who are fetishizing the future, but no presence.
I don't know. What do you make of any of that?
So go with me on this one. Easy change is never easy and it

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feels sometimes like a violation.
So maybe humanity at this point,right now, the change we're
discussing that's happening now and is going to be, you know,
very objective in 1520 years, maybe this is the change we're
turning into the cephalopods, we're turning into logograms

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where we're not, not past, present or future, we're
experiencing time all at the same, all at once.
Right, right. And that's not how our being has
ever been. That's not how our conscious has
been. But now with AI and with the
bringing back, having the ability to literally remanifest

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the the past, we're starting to come into this new perspective
or sense of reality, just like we're talking about on the last
part, how your reality can change.
Yeah, with with verbalization orjust by seeing something.
While now we're experienced experiencing past, present and
future. So it feels like a violation of

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the South because we're morphinginto different types of beings,
different types of mammals. Yeah, which will then transcend
into the stars, all this stuff. Right.
But what is that doing to our dreamscape?
It's crazy. Like I feel like I'm.
I'm experiencing now past, present and future.

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Yeah. In one point, I'm seeing loss,
almost get naked. Yeah, another point, I'm
freaking on the Silk Road with you.
Joyous freaking right now, counting movies around the fire,
smoke in Hashisha, you know, Andthen at other times dreaming of
the present at that mall, Coronado Mall, whatever, turning

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into a low ludogram. What do you think?
Right. So I mentioned on last pod the
Burrows line from our eyes, the future leaks, right?
So I was thinking a bit more about that.
And from our eyes, one that literally means perspective, you
know, how you're seeing then creates the future.

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And also the I, the pronoun I from our eyes, from who we think
we are, the future leaks. I don't know.
Yeah, it's really strange. I mean, what you're saying about
like, it feels like time is collapsing, right?

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And you're right. I mean, yeah.
And there is this discomfort when there's change.
I mean when the the. Time Stone.
When the moth, when the butterfly is getting ready to
leave the cocoon, right, Right. It's uncomfortable, it's scary.
Metamorphosis, yeah. Yeah, it's scary.
There's this, there's this Zen story Where where this old Zen

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Masters and sitting there and watching this moth climbing out
of its cocoon, right? And then the moth is struggling
to to get the cocoon off. And this old teacher, he just
uses his finger to kind of bat the cocoon off the moth and kind
of help it out. And then the moth was unable to

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fly. And he realizes because crawling
out of the cocoon was the process of strengthening its
wings, and by helping them take the cocoon off, the moth lost
the opportunity to strengthen its wings enough that it could
then fly. So there has to be this process

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of strengthening as we, as we work our ways, as we work our
way out of this confining cocoon.
You know, it's like we work our way out and there is a process
of discomfort, maybe even a sense of violation or something
as our shell starts to break. But then it's a process of

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strengthening. You know, it's a process of of
working out what that next iteration of who we are is
really going to going to be how we're really going to fly.
So maybe that's it. I mean, maybe we are actually
just dissolving the boundaries between past, future, present

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here and there. I mean, even like spatially,
it's like we have we have dissolved space in a big way.
I mean, you look at the modernist era and that was all
about like crunching, crunching down space because you see the
development of like the railroad, which at the time was
like, holy shit, I could go fromNew York to Boston and it's not

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going to take me fucking eight months.
You know, it's pretty wild the car after that.
Which changed who we weren't, you know?
Yeah, which completely changed who we were.
So I was watching the old videoson the golfer scary player and
he had a good quote that was thegreatest gift that can be given

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you is adversity at times. And he said that's because sort
of this cocoon thing, every timeyou get through adversity, you
grow as a person, you get better, you learn lessons, you
apply things to whatever you know.
So we get to that state where the cocoon breaking it is

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literally stripping something away so we can spread our wings,
Right. Exactly.
You know, and we'll never get there if we're, you know,
constantly getting coddled. And you know, that's the classic
story of raising a kid too much coddled, giving them too much,
no adversity, protecting them from from anything.
Well, then once they face life, they can't fly in the and exist

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out there in the woods. Like, you know, Haggard guy's
been coddled his whole life. If he went out into the
wilderness, we were just talkingabout this at the park, he'd be
gone or see it and be in grass for a week.
That's it. But I wanted to say another
thing about the eyes thing. Right out of the out of the.
So back in Burroughs time. Was it Burroughs?

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Yeah, OK. People's eyes showed the future
bled out the future, right? That's not the case anymore in
our time. Our eyes bleed out past, present
and future. And maybe what's happening with
this in Cell revolution, Discord, where at the peak of

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people not having sex in the history of mankind, you know,
we're Discord, we can't see eachother in the eyes anymore.
Whereas before love used to meanthe future, but now when we see
the person that we love, we get anxiety because we're not just
seeing the future with them, a potential hope.

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We're seeing their past traumas,we're seeing their present, and
we're seeing the future all at once.
And it's fucking scary. Interesting.
So it is, yeah. Yeah.
It just made me think of the spine.
I don't know if it like relates,but at the Albuquerque's
Unsante, the teacher there at the time, he said like part of

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the process of meditation, he goes, well, taking off that
shell and, and you start to justlike feel more, you know, it's
like colours get a little bit brighter or you just get more
and a little more attuned and sensitive to your environment.
And you're kind of taking off your your shell and protective

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mechanism and kind of opening upa bit more to the world.
And because we all have our defense mechanisms, but that
ends up limiting us for, you know, connections that we can
really have and all that kind ofstuff.
And he said, like, we live life as if we're trying to caress our
lovers while wearing winter gloves, you know?
Yeah. And that one hit and I was like,

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wow, it's such a potent image. Imagine lying there, you know,
just just naked with your lover.And you just want to just, he's
so close and just all of that. And then you're wearing winter
gloves and you go to, like, stroke their face and, and run
your hand through their hair. And it's just like, oh, fuck.
It's so like, removed and distant.

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Talk about, like mediation. And yeah, so there's the process
of meditation is taking off those gloves and then and
experiencing A renewed sense of intimacy with all of life.
Right, right. So I wondered like what is this?
What are these gloves we're putting on?
What are these gloves and what will it mean to take them off?

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You know, is it going to be right that we're now space
faring creatures going to the next World and that the glove
the earth itself was became has become a limitation that we need
to shed? Will it be a spiritual dreamlike
thing? We delve further and further
into dreams and in that space find more strength and clarity

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and becoming. Will it be going deeper into the
past, finding out who we actually were in such a way that
clarifies and strengthens who weare, letting us fly more
clearly, you know? Right.
I don't know. I don't know.
I think honestly, evolution and and you know, the metamorphosis

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and the growth and the maturation, though uncomfortable
at the time, is ultimately a good thing for the race or for
the self-conscious. I mean, think about the moth in
a cocoon, you know, imprisoned now, can fly now, can protect,
own itself, protect itself, you know, has left that sort of

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birthing place, you know, to be in a sense of living, you know,
self and being an identification.
And that's really what we're trying to get ultimately.
We're not necessarily even trying to live in the dream

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space, right? I think also the ultimate goal
is to have the most fulfilling living conscious that we can
while we have it and finding a place, even if we are all
turning into timeless illographs, eventually maturing.

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And what kind of love is that? When you see someone from the
past, present and future insteadof just a future, right?
Accepting a person for their entire self on the on on a
nonlinear timeline, that's true love.
And maybe that's not something we've ever really experienced,

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you know, getting to another place of consciousness.
Yeah. Right.
I don't know. Would that affect the senses?
Would it affect? Would it be taking off the
gloves? Oh.
Wow. And actually caressing our lover
for the first time becoming, youknow, you know, physically, like

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getting that connection, you know, with them.
Yeah. Because there's something to
our. You know, I think we're talking
about this Star Trek scene where.
Data's like, why do you, why areyou touching the, like,
spacecraft, you know, and Picard's like for humans, this
is the way that we connect with,you know, objective reality is

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by actually, you know, reaching out and touching something and
then we get that cosmic connection with it, you know,
becomes real to us. Yeah.
Taste and see. It's like taste and see, touch
and know, you know, it's this like, yeah, it's that intimacy
of the senses of being so bound up with something, you know, and

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like, and that makes me think like caressing the lover.
Was that really mean? It's like in a spiritual,
religious context, it means unity with God.
You know, there's no and God is everything, all of it, and the
entire universe, the entire earth.
And there is no separation between you or anything else.
And that's intimacy, you know, right.
It can also mean quite literally, you know, with a

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lover really, you know, it's like you've, you've let go of
enough of your own defence mechanisms and fears and
insecurities that you're able toopen and let go fully into
romantic love. It could mean all these
different things. And that's the memorial of Jesus
Christ, right? Eat this bread.
This means my. Exactly.
Yeah, It's so embodied. Eat this.

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Drink this. Yeah, yeah, we ingest it.
Right, right, right. Comment almost.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
On behalf of the Jareds, thank you for listening.
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next time. And always remember who looks
outside dreams, who looks insideawakes.
Have a good night's rest. I don't know if that's a natural
end, but. I don't know.
I don't. I don't know what else to say
after that. Seriously.
That seriously? Yeah.