September 10, 2020 • 64 mins
All of us carry our life experiences with us, good and bad. In some cases, those experiences weigh us down and keep us from realizing our goals. Today, Jennifer Malcolm interviews a clinical hypnotherapist and breath therapist, Joni Marra, who helps her clients confront and shed those experiences that are holding them back. Joni shares about her practice, her passion for helping others, and how her journey led her to where she is today.
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Jennifer Malcolm (00:10):
Welcome to the Jennasis Speaks podcast, The
Transformative Power of Women'sStories, a platform that
empowers women storytelling topromote collective
vulnerability, acceptance andhealing. I am your host,
Jennifer Malcolm, self madeentrepreneur, women advocate and
life balance expert. Welcomeback to Jennasis Speaks: The
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Transformative Power of Women'sStories where every woman has a
story and every story matters.
I'm your host, Jennifer Malcolm.
And with me today is a longtimefriend, colleague, healer Joni
Marra. here to share her storytoday. She's a founder of inward
bound a private practice whereshe treats clients with clinical
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hypnotherapy and breath therapy.
And we're going to jump into herstory from her grassroots for
profit work that transitionedinto her why for what she's
doing today. So welcome, Joni.
Joni Marra (01:08):
Thank you very much.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:10):
It's so good to see your face. I love the
power of zoom.
Joni Marra (01:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:15):
I haven't seen you face to face in probably
three to four years. And I inpreparation for today, I was
trying to think back when youand I first met, and I believe
if I remembering correctly, itwas around 2011 at common
grounds, and I participated in afirewalk out there. And you and
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Jim, were also there. Yes. And Ithink I bunch of us went went
out afterward and grab beers.
And I do believe that was thefirst time I really hung out
with you guys
Joni Marra (01:47):
by walking and then bonding over beers. Exactly. I
love it. Let's put anyone want.
Exactly.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:52):
That's a great day. That's a great day. But I
just wanted to start with yourstory of your work and in the
public sector and in the forprofit arena. And give the
audience a little bit ofbackground of who you are and
the work that you did. And thentransition right into you know,
your work that you do today.
Joni Marra (02:10):
Yes, thank you. You mentioned the word transition.
And that's what I want to weavethroughout our discussion. It is
trust, transition, saying yes orno and accepting. And for me,
you asked for my background, Iwas a sales rep. I sold
industrial products for nineyears. And I went to law school
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at night. After I graduated fromlaw school and took the bar. I
then worked at a corporation for13 years and loved it and
probably could have retired fromthat Corporation, they treated
me royally. But it didn't feedme I needed something else. So I
left there, and I went tononprofit, thinking that that
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would be me. And it didn't. So Itrusted myself again, made
another transition, left thenonprofit said yes to whatever's
next, and I didn't know what wasnext. And then decided that I
wanted to have my own practice.
So I went to the ClevelandClinic and I got certified in
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clinical hypnotherapy throughthe wellness Institute. I loved
the modality because it teachesus to go in and to heal. I
received one more certificationand that was in breath therapy.
And that was through integrativeconcepts in Arizona, once again,
getting out of our head, gettinginto the body and healing
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patterns. So for the last eightyears, I have now had inward
bound. And I well actually threeand a half years of formerly had
in warband. Eight years, I haveseen clients with either
clinical hypnotherapy or breaththerapy. So went from sales rep,
to law student at night, to thefor profit to the nonprofit to
my own stuff now. And I lovewhat I do. That's awesome.
Jennifer Malcolm (04:07):
So describe to the audience what hypnotherapy
is. Because a lot of people maysee the bio of this and be like,
well, that's just woowoo stuff.
And it's soft stuff. And, youknow, does that really work? And
is it really real? And I thinkthe benefit and the validity
that you know, Cleveland Clinic,there's science behind it.
There's such deep healing powerbehind it, but the audience may
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hear it, like that's a littlewoowoo. So let's go into what it
is and the power and the impactof what can what can occur if
you step into that.
Joni Marra (04:46):
Sure. Let's take separate first is clinical
hypnotherapy. And what weusually think of hypnosis is
whenever you are in a Las Vegasroom, maybe bad Some dark or dim
lights and some alcohol and it'slate and someone is up on the
stage calls people up, and allof a sudden, asks them to run
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around the house and act like achicken. Exactly. Ask them to
run around their room and eat anonion and pretending that it's
an orange, right? That'sactually hypnosis. Okay? My
practice is clinicalhypnotherapy. The difference is
through hypnosis, the person whois facilitating tells you what
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you do, tells you what you aregoing to do, tells you what you
think tells you what you say,the opposite from my end, but we
use hypnosis just to get into arelaxed state. But you Tell me
your story, we go deep into thebody, and we find out what is
your pattern, the pattern serveto as a little girl. But it may
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not serve you now as an adult,right. And that's the pattern or
the wound that we have to heal.
The other part of it is breaththerapy, that is using the
breath to also go into a bit ofa trance, to slow the body down,
get us out of our head, you'vegot a lot of body from your neck
down, let's get into thatsubconscious. Exactly. And find
out what pattern is in there.
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You breathe 18,000 times a day.
So let's make sure that some ofthem are mindful. And using
these tools to to release whatdoesn't serve you anymore. Want
to bring in What does,
Jennifer Malcolm (06:32):
right. And it's interesting because even
growing up in western medicineand methodology versus Eastern
religion, methodology, EasternThis is normal. This is a normal
daily part of really feeling allof it and, and Western is
catching up to Easternmethodology. And what the
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benefit of just breath gettingoxygen full breaths into your
body, the power and just healingof that alone without, you know,
going into let's go deeper intowhat served you earlier, but
just breath alone oxygenatingthe body because, you know, I
know how often I talk fast, I gofast and move fast. And then I'm
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like going going going I'm likewhy am I had a breath and it's
just allowing myself to be andtaking Keeling breaths in to
calm to get perspective that Ithink is becoming more and more
norm. But it still can beunknown to a lot of people. So
what are some types ofsituations and I know you have
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HIPAA laws and privacy which isbeautiful. But what are some of
the like examples of work thatyou can do through either breath
therapy, hypnotherapy orcombination of both?
Joni Marra (07:57):
Thank you. And yes, I am under HIPAA and
confidentiality what I hear frommy clients I take to my gray, a
period that we have to have atrusting relationship. Again,
the trust trust in yourselftrust in the transition. The
benefits are just let's just gowith some of the breath therapy
benefits burns and eliminatestoxins from your bloodstream,
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releases toxins stored in thetissues of the body. boost your
immune system, lowers your bloodpressure increases circulation,
reduces physical stress, reducesemotional stress, enhances
libido and both sexes. increasesintimacy and relationships
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increases mental clarity andcreativity. Who wouldn't want
that?
Jennifer Malcolm (08:48):
No exactly, and it's free.
Joni Marra (08:49):
It's free if you took my next line.
Jennifer Malcolm (08:54):
I didn't know that was your next line. So I
didn't mean to steal that fromyou. But it is it's free. It's
just taking the time and beingintentional to do that. Wow.
Joni Marra (09:04):
So the type of clients the type of healing that
we work with, is I not atherapist, but it's really stuff
that you would go to a therapistfor. And just kind of boil it
down inside relationshipproblems. I don't want to eat
carbs. I don't like myself. Iwas an abuser. I have been
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abused, either emotionally,physically, sexually. I've been
in trauma, and I didn't evenrecognize that as
Jennifer Malcolm (09:37):
powerful because all of us could identify
with one of those. Or we canextrapolate it out. I smoke I
drink too much. I am a exerciseall the time and image issues
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and I know through some of thegroups that I that are in my
circle, we talk about thingsthat serve us, that distract us
from pain. So whether that's TV,food, alcohol, smoking,
exercise, in any of thosethings, maybe in and of
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themselves are not harmful. Butwhen you use those as your
crutch, or use those becausethey serve you in some way to
avoid, to avoid pain, towithdraw, to get numb, they can
serve us to protect us, we'reall looking to protect our
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hearts and our souls. And Ithink, through breath, and
through the work that you do,there's a there's a whole
pasture of healing, and beauty,and an ability to walk in higher
confidence, deeper freedom andjoy, that we that we don't
access and we should access.
Unknown (11:00):
Well, you need to, I believe you need to go with a
dark is to get to the goodies,that's where the gold is, right.
And the phrase that I use, whichwas akin to yours, is I want my
clients to be more confident,more courageous, and less
compromising, right. And mypractice is about three things.
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One is becoming aware of what'sgoing on out of your head into
your into your subconscious, toI teach tools, and three, use
your tools, you don't need mehe'll and go out with each
other.
I love it.
Joni Marra (11:33):
Really. That's what I did through my transition from
sales rep, to law school atnight, to nonprofit to from
profit to nonprofit, it was thattrust was the going inside. It
was the willingness to not becompromising anymore. And to say
yes, and speak my truth, and sayno, and speak my truth, to get
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out of my comfort zone into mychallenge zone. And that's what
I teach clients.
Jennifer Malcolm (12:00):
That's great.
So when you say you go and youtake your clients, and often you
go to, you know, as aadolescence child, young adult,
these things served you, theybenefited you, and they may not
serve you now as your adultself. Can you can you go a
little bit deeper in what thatmeans? Because that may go over
some people's head and say Idon't I don't know what even
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that means. Can you go a littlebit deeper into explaining that?
Joni Marra (12:26):
I believe I can.
Here's an example. A mother iswalking hand in hand with her
small child who's maybe fiveyears old. They're walking,
maybe even in a store down thestreet, toward them, comes one
of the mother's friends and sayshi. And she reaches down to grab
this little girl in hunger freeCOVID. Exactly. The little girl
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doesn't know who this person is.
There's a towering person withan elevated voice coming toward
her. And so she gets afraid. Shehides behind her mother's leg.
And she starts to cry. Themother is embarrassed, doesn't
know what to say and says, Oh,she's shy. Well, here's what
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happens to the subconscious.
That subconscious can take infor the little girl because she
doesn't know what shy means. Butwhen you're fearful, run away,
start to cry, and don't count onauthority taking care of you. So
she grows up, when she getsfearful subconscious kicks in.
And she it's her flight, sheruns away, or she starts to cry.
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Because the patterns been set.
She's in her boss's office. herboss says something to her. She
takes it as fear. The boss shedidn't mean it. But the girl
takes it as an adult goes backto the cubicle instructs to cry.
That's the pattern that nolonger serves her. It serve
turned a moment that hadhappened. But it no longer
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serves her. So we go in, throughan age regression we get in, we
find out where that wound is,and we heal it. And it doesn't
even matter what people werethey meant it or not. But it's
how the body took it in. Not themind but the body.
Jennifer Malcolm (14:06):
That's powerful, because I am sure
every woman listening to thisnow can identify with something
as an adult woman going, maybethis is an emotional reaction
that I don't know where it camefrom. But I am either triggered
and get defensive. I'm triggeredand I withdraw. I'm triggered
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and I cry. I'm triggered and itstarted somewhere earlier, where
it was reinforced or birthed orthat deposit came and your body
learns to respond to that typeof trigger.
Joni Marra (14:42):
Again, you're right, you're activated or you're
triggered from trauma, and fourthings are going to come up
guilt, fear, shame, or anger. Sowhen something happens in your
trigger, and your triggers aremuch different than anyone elses
That's why you and I can go seea movie, you'll like some parts.
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And I like other parts. It's,it's what how we were built. So
guilt, fear, shame or anger.
That's usually how we respond.
And if it's not in balance inyour body, then what's going to
happen is you're going torespond, it's going to be out of
balance, and you're not going tounderstand why. And you're not
going to be able to trustanyone, especially yourself. So
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if you're looking for atransition in life, you need to
be able to trust you, becauseyou're the only one you have for
the rest of your life.
Jennifer Malcolm (15:31):
And that's powerful. Because I know as a
woman, caretaker, moms, we helpnavigate other people's hearts,
we help breathe encouragement inlife. And, you know, I just
dropped off my 17 year off toher freshman year of college
yesterday and mixed emotions,pride, such pride. Such some
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fear of Okay, she's out on herown. And you know, a little bit
of worry, joy, sadness, grief,you know, so all these emotions,
we're always caretaking othersand, and maybe cognizant of our
emotions, but how many women andthis will be a great question to
pull when we when we releasethis podcast, is how many women
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really do self care and oridentify a trigger? That we feel
guilty? Angry? What were theother two? guilt, anger, fear,
and shame? And do those serviceor they are or what do we do
with those emotions? And, youknow, in full candidacy, you
know, the, the emotions that Iprobably deal with the most are
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guilt and shame. And some of itsfrom I'm sure, childhood trauma,
and fear driven things, that nowas an adult, those are my first
triggers emotions. Right, thatcome forth, that are not the
appropriate emotion. If myhusband, Chad, and I get into an
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argument, you know, he's not,he's not shaming me. He's not,
you know, belittling me, we'rejust having, you know, a
disagreement. And those, thoseemotions don't serve me as an
adult woman.
Joni Marra (17:15):
And those emotions in you, I'm what fear in each of
us, because if we ever havefear, we're gonna walk across
the street and look both waysand smack we're going to get
hit. So fear keeps us healthy. Iwant anger in each of us.
Because if we don't have anger,we're not going to stand up for
what we believe, and guilt andshame. We want those into Be
humble. But we want them inbalance with the love with the
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joy with peace with the harmony,we want to imbalance. And when
they're out of balance, we chasethem around as if they are our
master. Think of a marionettepuppet. And the cross bars are
the fear. So the fear says Oh,go over here and do this. And we
follow along. The anger sayscome over here and do this. And
we follow along. Let's cut thoselines to those cross bars, not
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the life we desire and deserve.
Once we cleanse ourselves out.
Jennifer Malcolm (18:04):
So if I would come to you and I have come to
you for the audience, I havedone some work with Joni, and
it's powerful and deep and, andhealing. But for a typical
person, do you go in once andyou're done? Is it multiple? Is
it I'm going to go in and dosome deep work? And then maybe
every three months come back?
And kind of, you know, keepseeing you? How does it work?
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And I know you said ultimatelyyou want to cut the ties and
have people spread the joy. Butwhat's a typical scenario
working with you?
Joni Marra (18:35):
It really depends.
Okay, usually the first sessionis a clinical hypnotherapy
session. Because we want to goin remember, what am I aware of?
It's no longer serving me. So wego in and find that I teach the
tools. And then I anticipatethat you'll go out and use the
tools. I don't see clientsunless they do their homework,
you've got to do your homework,because this is about healing. I
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don't see clients very often Ineed to see them maybe every
three or four weeks because theyneed to go out and do their
work. Some clients will comethree times some clients will
come one time, it really dependson what the issue is. We can say
other healing. But a lot oftimes clients want to go deeper
and deeper. And if they want togo deeper, that's cool. I will
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go deeper with them. But if theycome and just come here to learn
and not practice, I really can'tsee the clients anymore, because
that's not what this is about.
It is a journey like every womanhas. And I want her to embrace
it. And I want her to trust anduse the tools. So after one time
she has tools, right? If shewants to come back, that's fine.
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That's fine. I know that it'sall about her, not about me,
because now I can be confidentand I want her to be confident.
That's great can be courageous,she can be courageous and I want
us both to not compromise.
Jennifer Malcolm (19:54):
And knowing the write up in the preparation
for this. You said my practiceis not psychotherapy. I am not a
therapist. So what does thatmean? So you're just a
facilitator, like, how would youdescribe that? Because some
people might say, Well, I'mgoing to go in and I have a
counselor, I have a therapist,and it is different. And how
would you really differentiatebetween those two things?
Joni Marra (20:16):
I work with the therapists, and they mostly work
with talk therapy. So if one ofmy clients needs to talk
therapy, I refer out a lot oftimes to talk therapists
referring to me, I work with thesubconscious consider the neck
down. That's great. Yeah, well,we work because the body and the
muscles have memory, that'swhere everything is stored. So
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whenever I have mycertifications, they are
certifications, they are notlicenses, okay. I don't feel
comfortable saying that I'm atherapist. But what I do is I
work with clinical hypnosis,hypnotherapy, and I also work
with breath therapy.
Jennifer Malcolm (20:50):
So did does the breath therapy, and the
clinical hypnotherapy tend to gohand in hand, or are they? Do
they go back and forth? Or theycome? Obviously, they're
complimentary. But in a practicesession with you, are you doing
both? Or are you teaching anddoing the deep work the first
time giving tools such asbreath, and then allowing the
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person to work on those? So howdo those two things go hand in
hand?
Joni Marra (21:18):
Thank you for asking. Usually, we start with
clinical hypnotherapy becausethat's a very deep, but we can
start with breath therapy, itreally depends on what the
client's issue is, what he orshe wants to heal, and how far
they want to go and how quicklyI leave that up to them. I give
them the menu, and then we workit out from there. So it's
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usually clinical hypnotherapy,then maybe a session of breath
therapy, to show the how theycan compare and contrast that.
But sometimes when they're socomfortable with that, they'll
go back to clinicals. Becausenow they want to go deeper, and
they want to clean the stuff outof theirs, like I got this baby,
let's go for it.
Jennifer Malcolm (21:57):
That's great.
It's like cleaning out thecobwebs or cleaning out a
closet, you know, all of us werepurging, you know, the very
beginning of COVID. And when youget one area cleaned out,
organized, put back together theway it's supposed to be. Yeah,
it does encourage you and giveyou energy and desire and hope
to let's move on to the nextarea where I can he'll clean out
the closet, you know, clean outthe closet, wipe down the
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cobwebs, and be a morecourageous person as well.
Joni Marra (22:25):
And a lot of times people will come once and say,
Look, this isn't for me. Okay? Alot of times, within six months
to a year, I'll see them againand they'll say I'm ready. That
kind of the appetizer, butthere's no judgment, there's no
expectation, it is what it is.
And they're not used to thattype of environment. Right. So
sometimes that can be a littleintimidating.
Jennifer Malcolm (22:48):
And and as an I could break my own HIPAA law.
So you're not I know you're notsaying anything. But when I did
my work with you, I only feltlove and anyone who would ever
work with Joni, you. Even if yu don't work with Johnny, if y
u ever meet Joni, you are the ebodiment of love. You are just a
ways fully present fully. Just i's like this love bubble. You j
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st come in you feel safe, you fel warm, welcome. You feel i
cluded. And it's just goodness lke you when you're you spend t
me with you, it just goodness eulates around you and doing t
e work that I did with you. It ws a very hard for me to go in a
d trust you with, you know, prt of my story and journey. B
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t the benefit of I knew I was sfe. And I knew that I was in g
od, warm, trusting care. That wuld serve me ultimately, b
tter. So I want to honor you ithat space as well, because y
u're an amazing woman.
Joni Marra (23:48):
Thank you.
Jennifer Malcolm (23:49):
You're welcome. How did you first start
learning about hypnotherapy andthe breath therapy? Was it
always a part of your journey?
Or did you just stumble acrossit one time and lead? Yeah,
that's for me. Um, I
Joni Marra (24:03):
I was actually swimming in the pool, someone at
the gym and swimming laps,someone said they were going to
go to the Cleveland Clinic andbe trained, and I could not get
it out of my mind. And I justfelt called to it. And that's
one of those journey feelingsthat I need to trust. I need to
trust the transition need to sayyes when it feels right, and
then accept. So once I learnedthat, and I especially like this
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certification because I had todo my own work as a client to
get my certification. And then Idid all of my supervisory hours
over the Lyndhurst office at theCleveland Clinic. So I like that
because I had to do my stuffclients did their stuff. Then I
wanted one more modality.
Because if someone doesn't wantclinical hypnosis, hypnosis, I
want to be able to give thembreath therapy, which they can
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do completely on their own afterone session, right?
Jennifer Malcolm (24:52):
That's powerful.
What would someone coming toyou? What expectations should or
shouldn't they have Have if theyhave a session with you.
Joni Marra (25:05):
Um, I always have a phone conversation with
prospective clients, because Iwant to make sure that what they
expect and what I can deliver,equals, right? They don't need
to spend their money or theirtime, if it's not going to be
what they need. So what theywould expect is to come into a
safe environment where it'sconfidential, where whatever
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they want to happen can happenfor healing. So if they want to
go deep into something, they cango deep. If they just want to
discuss, they can discuss,discuss. But the three things
again, that I will work on is,what are they aware of in their
body that's no longer servingthem, I'll help them identify it
to is they will leave withtools. And three, I invite them
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to use their tools. Great.
Jennifer Malcolm (25:56):
That's great.
Can you give another example,such as the one that you did
before about a little girlholding our mom's hand? How that
because that's very easy forsomeone to visualize of, here's
an example of, of a childhoodexperience that can represent as
an adult. Can you give anotherexample, and I'm putting you on
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the spot here? Because I didn'task you to prep this. But
another example of thatsituation of something that that
would have served us as a childto protect us it was the right
emotional response or, or thatthat then takes hold in our
body, that in real life as anadult would show up, that does
not serve us.
Joni Marra (26:38):
Yes, it is a similar one. But this one was the body,
the child's body, absolutelyshutting down. And this is about
sexual abuse. So if there's anytriggering out there, anybody
that's not comfortable with it.
You don't need to listen, it'sokay. I honor that. I had
someone come to me who was intheir 70s. When this person was
in boarding school, when he was10, he was sexually abused by
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the headmaster. He's now 72. Heleads with anger, whatever
happens, he leads with anger.
Because what happened when hewas a little boy, and he was
sexually abused in boardingschool, he could not say
anything, he completely shutdown. So he's lived for 60 some
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years now, with this anger ashis first go to. So he
recognized the 72 wasn't servinghim and he came. And we talked
about it. And he was able to goback to be that little boy
again, to give that little boy avoice and say, Stop. This isn't
right. And a little more tothat. So he was able to be the
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little boy and stop it. releasethat anger that had been in
there all those years. Now is nolonger a clue.
Jennifer Malcolm (28:03):
That's powerful, no
Joni Marra (28:05):
longer a client for good reason,
Jennifer Malcolm (28:07):
right? No good reasons. And how powerful and in
my heart aches to say that todeal with that type of emotional
trigger. 60 some years. Yeah,being cognizant, but open at 72
years old to embrace change. Andit's that trust transition that
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you opened up with trusting youtrusting the process, trusting
the healing, and being willingto go into a trance, transition
state. But the power of the workto identify as a young child,
stop, this is not right, useyour voice. And there's no shame
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in in not using your voice as akid being sexually abused. It's
the podcast I recorded last weekwas on sexual abuse and of a
child and, and shame confusion.
I don't even know what sex was.
I didn't I had never had thebirds and bees talk. So all this
is new. And, and beingreinforced. If you're you'll be
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good, you know, you're a goodgirl. If you keep her mouth
quiet, you're a good girl.
Because you're helping me,you're a good girl. So positive
reinforcement that an abusergave. But thank you for sharing
that because when you use themale, but to just for you're
never too old to go back andheal.
You're never too old to go backand release these emotions that
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aren't serving you.
Joni Marra (29:38):
And now he has anger in him but in a proper balance.
And he has shame and guilt athim but a proper balance and
that's all we want.
Jennifer Malcolm (29:45):
Exactly. So when I did and I'll share a
little bit about my when I did asession with you. I do remember
being fully, I shouldn't sayfully. I do remember the entire
thing. So I know that some of itis like Well, whatever. Remember
the therapy session? Again,talking about hypnosis and what
someone is telling you to do.
versus your guide hypnotherapy.
(30:09):
That is,
Joni Marra (30:10):
I'm sorry, pulling from you,
Jennifer Malcolm (30:12):
pulling from you drawing it out of you and
guiding you. was my experiencetypical. Do people typically
remember their entireinteraction with you? Is there a
place where they may notremember all of it? Or is it
just vary.
Joni Marra (30:28):
with all due respect, I won't speak to yours
sharp what I will do is I willjust talk about the playing
field. Oh, sure. Absolutely.
People experiences. Yes, youwill remember it is not that you
are completely out in asleep. Itis not that you are wide awake.
It's just a very relaxed state.
(30:50):
And you will remember, andchances are you you will
release. So a lot of times we'rein a trance, and we don't know
it. There's one statistic thatwe're in a trance 90% of the
day. Sometimes you drivesomewhere and you don't know how
you got there, right? That's atrance, the body just takes over
(31:11):
the subconscious just takesover. And while I'm talking
about statistics, I did want toshare one about breath therapy.
70% of the toxins in your bodyare released through your breath
every day. Only 30% of thetoxins in your body, every day
are released through urination,perspiration, and dedication. So
(31:34):
you think about what you doevery day. That's only 30% 70%
is with the breath. So you getthat breath into your belly. And
you breathe that out.
Jennifer Malcolm (31:45):
Wow.
So every so the person will beaware, as I was, it was almost
four and and I'm allowed, I'mallowed to share my own
experience, right?
Joni Marra (31:57):
You didn't share whatever you say word about it.
That's
Jennifer Malcolm (32:01):
no, that's fair, fair. And so for me, I do
remember it was like almost asleepy state. Very, very warm,
comforting, loving environment.
I remember responding to Iremember a lot of I remember our
conversation. And it was almostlike that Twilight sleep where
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you're you still are responding.
But you're really relaxed, andyou're very open. And that was
that was my valuable experienceshare in that regard. That was
my experience. And it'spowerful. It's just, it's
powerful. I had an opportunityto meet with another woman, I
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did not do a session with her.
But I just happened to crosspaths with her a few weeks ago.
And she's in similar work. Andit was intriguing, because it
was it's not about some youchanging me. It's about you
pulling out. And that was herstory too. I was pulling out
things that don't serve. But mywilling I it's my willingness to
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also participate.
Joni Marra (33:12):
Oh, sure, you have a choice. You can keep all this
stuff in, you can heal and moveon.
Jennifer Malcolm (33:17):
Right. And that was her take is I could do
a hypnotherapy with someone whosays they want to quit smoking.
But if they really don't want toquit smoking, my session isn't
going to magically do a magicone and make it go away. So
there has to be an activation ofthe will the soul the spirit to
(33:38):
go along the journey with you aswell. Right?
That's awesome.
How do you help? Is there acertain type and it's like you
do all sorts of work. But inpreparation, there was a
question that came up about howdo you support people who are
going through the death process?
And I think that you had somethoughts on that or some
(34:01):
experience without again, youshare what you're allowed to
share or not a lot of share.
Joni Marra (34:09):
This is another trust myself and trust in
transition. Be open andvulnerable and say yes and no.
Sure. I feel called I'm keepingmy practice but I feel called to
have a slice of it. For thedeath experience. I've done
hospice volunteer work for over20 years. I'm an attorney, so I
do the legal end of it. I don'tactively practice. I am now
(34:36):
working on a process to haveclasses to face the fear of
death for others if they choose.
And it's not so much theElisabeth Kubler Ross with as
the stages of death and dying,that can be part of it. But it's
also what best serves you toface the fear of dying. And it's
not so much like hospicepatients, which Very close with
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and I get to, I get to watchthem and be with them when they
take their last breath on thisearth. But it might be for some
of us that are afraid to fly.
And we realize we're not reallyafraid to fly, we're afraid to
die. Not the fear of flying.
It's the fear of death. So let'sface death, and let's talk about
that fear. Do you want to writeyour own obituary? Do you want
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to know what a funeral home is?
Like? Do you want to do thelegal end of it that you need to
do your advanced directives? Doyou want to lay in a casket? Do
you want What do you want? Doyou have your advanced
directives done? Right? I willtailor a session and this is
still in my ear, I feel calledI'm trusting myself. Yeah.
(35:42):
tailored to whatever best servesthis dyeing process. Hearing is
the last sentence. Before wedie. Let's all know that let's
make it public. So when we'rewith someone, if we choose, when
they're dying, let's make surewe talk to them. So that's where
I'm going with that. Take thatfear away. And whatever your
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religious belief is, if there isone, let's, let's face that,
what happens maybe you just goto ashes to ashes, dust to dust,
maybe you take the hand of theLord, maybe something else
happens, I older whatever it is.
But when you've got beard, let'sface it,
Jennifer Malcolm (36:18):
I love That's powerful. Because, again, and
I'm just singing praises aboutwho Joni is, you will fully
embrace whatever journey anyoneis on, honor their journey on
where they're at. And help guidethem facilitate. Let's work on
the things that don't serve you.
So I love that you're youbrought a little bit of religion
(36:39):
into it. Because people may say,Well, does she have a religious
belief? Do I have to be of areligious orientation? To do
this process with you? Or? Orcan I just be, I don't know what
happens, or I do believe thatI'm going to heaven? Or do you
believe in reincarnation? Or doyou believe in you know,
afterlife? Or I do believe like,I'm just going to be eaten by
worms. And that's the end of it.
Joni Marra (37:02):
But wouldn't you believe our honor, because it's
yours. But for some reason aboutwhat is doesn't serve you and
you want to get rid of it? Well,good, I'll work with you. I'll
be your partner.
Jennifer Malcolm (37:13):
And you have such an adventurous spirit. And
the other thing that I want toshare some stories about Johnny
that I was able to share withher so firewalking was one. And
we also did a New Year's Daypolar jump into Lake Erie. But
(37:34):
so I want you to take a fewminutes to talk about each of
those two experiences, you know,because people are like, okay,
walking on fire, that'simpossible. And just talk about
a little bit of the science andmethodology behind that. And
then the just the joy of jumpinginto Lake Erie on January 1.
Joni Marra (37:53):
Okay, well, we'll start with what I practice is,
as a little girl, I didn't playa lot. As a little girl, I
wasn't an adrenaline junkie,well as an adult as soon to be
60. That didn't serve me, right.
So I needed to face What didn'tserve me. And I wanted to be the
adrenaline junkie. So I'vejumped out of a plane I have,
yes, walked on fire, it isbetween 11 and 1300 degrees,
(38:18):
those coals in my head would sayyou can't do that. Your head
might say you can't do that. Butyou know, with a proper
training, you can face your fearand walk right across those
coals. And then the opposite endof the fire was the water.
Right? I'm not a big fan ofwater. But let me face that
fear. So let's do it at highnoon on January 1. And let's get
(38:41):
on the lakes of the shores ofLake Erie, Erie. And let's go
right in where the water is coldat 37 degrees with temperature
outside is 27 degrees. Yeah,there's a lot of science behind
it. But sometimes our worstenemies between our two years
out of the head into the body,right. And so then I now trust
(39:03):
myself more. And I try newstuff.
Jennifer Malcolm (39:10):
It's powerful, because I think was 2011 when I
did the firewalk. And I would Imean I was scared like I was
petrified. And I knew that I hadto see some people do it first
and make sure that they got tothe other side and they were
safe and and when you do it, itis minor matter and it's just
(39:33):
trusting that the peoplefacilitating you know are good
and wise and keeping bestinterest in mind. And the same
with when we jumped into LakeErie it was I did 52 things I've
never done going into my 14thyear for my birthday. And I was
like alright, I've never doneone and that was the very first
(39:55):
January 1 going into my 14thyear and you were there and I
just jumped in. And I remember,I think your arms were just
raised when you came out, youwere like glorious. And I was
like, Where's my blanket and myhoodie and my jacket and but
just just prior proud to do newthings. And my husband Chad is
(40:17):
he loves adventure. And hisstory is, you know, if you're
going to die with something,let's have something exciting
and live, live a legacy. Thatis, he's not an agenda. Maybe
he's an adrenaline junkie. Butwhen we went to Alaska, you
know, I'm like, we want to seebears. And he, you know, he's
like, wouldn't be awesome if Igot mauled by a bear. And that's
how I went out. And I was like,That's horrible. And he goes,
(40:39):
Yeah, but that's a great story.
Versus I sat on my couchwatching TV, and I, you know,
had a heart attack. And that wasmy, that was the end of my life.
And so it's just perspective andfear how much fear holds us back
from experiencing things? Andhaving joy in in uncovering
things that we may never havetried before.
Joni Marra (41:01):
Exactly.
Jennifer Malcolm (41:03):
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Has
your practice been affectedthrough COVID? Are you doing
more work? less work? Becausepeople maybe have the gift of
time now? And someintentionality? Or How's that?
How's your work been impactedthroughCOVID?
Joni Marra (41:18):
Oh, thank you for asking. Um, I did not see
clients face to face. In midMarch through I think it was the
beginning of June. If I had anyexisting clients, and they
wanted phone or zoom, we woulddo that. But we did. I did, I
did no charges at that point.
All we did was we stayed inconnection if they needed to, to
(41:40):
stay in connection, we would dobreathing over the phone. It
wasn't fair to have a new clientthat way, because he or she
would not get the experience ofwhat breath therapy is I could
never do clinical hypnotherapyover the phone. It's just not.
So I start to see clients havebeen June and I am seeing some
new clients now that for somereason, after the pandemic, they
(42:02):
are during the 10 panic, they'reready to go deep. They're ready
to start purging. And they mayhave heard about me before,
because it's mostly through wordof mouth. But they're ready to
take that step and trustthemselves. So I'm busy and very
blessed.
Jennifer Malcolm (42:23):
That's good.
Now you were the first that Iknew that Cleveland Clinic
actually, you know, helps train.
How long is that trainingprocess? Is there a lot of
people throughout Northeast Ohiothat, you know, have the
certifications that you do? Oris it you know, just a small
circle that that has had thatwork with through Cleveland
(42:47):
Clinic.
Joni Marra (42:48):
It's the wellness institute that we're taught it
at the Cleveland Clinic. Mostly,a lot of that, from what I
understand a lot of therapistsin the area, if they've gone to
that training, they added as onemore thing that they do.
Cleveland Clinic integrativemedicine does have sessions. So
you can go there and do clinicalhypnotherapy or receive clinical
(43:10):
hypnotherapy. As for how manyare in the area, I'm not real
sure, my practice is small. AndI like to keep it that way.
Because I will not see more thanthree clients a day, because I
want to make sure that thatthird client gets just as much
as the first client, if I'mthere I am with you, I am
(43:31):
participating. So as to how manyclinicians are in the area, I
think that would have to be asearch to check. If somebody is
interested, they can if theywant to the Cleveland Clinic
behind them, they can go to theCleveland Clinic and receive it
within her office.
Jennifer Malcolm (43:46):
So that's interesting, because you said a
lot of maybe therapists go inand get that as one spokes in
the wheel of all the all thedifferent types of therapy that
they do where this is yourreally folk focus of how to
heal, how do you put up yourshield or your wall because
you're hearing a lot of heartstories, you know, and how how
(44:07):
do you protect your heart, yoursoul, your mind over yourself,
you know, a physical doctor, youknow, has to take precautions
with care, you know, care forpatients. But when you're
working with trauma triggers, orthings that didn't serve us how
do you put up that eitheremotional shield or something to
(44:28):
protect yourself as well.
Joni Marra (44:30):
Um, I had to learn and I know that every cell of my
body, I need to be on my gamewith my client. So if I take the
last client's information in andit starts to affect me, I'm not
on for you. So I know that Ihave done the best that I can
for every client. And when theywalk over the threshold out of
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my office, that that is theirs.
I keep all of my clients inprayer. They have access to me
if they want to me but it doesnot penetrate Mi does not
penetrate my heart mind got noneof that. It's beautiful.
Jennifer Malcolm (45:04):
Because, and again, maybe that's something
that I need to work and grow on.
And I always use excuse like,I'm such a compassionate person.
I'm a high feeler so on a, youknow, an idea, your Myers brigg,
I'm a high feeler, I feeleverything. And I am an
intuitive, I, I pick upemotions, I pick up what's not
being said, I pick up energypretty easily. And I think I
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would really struggle. And maybethat's why you do the work that
you do, and I'm doing the workthat I do, but I would really
struggle with, with capturing ina therapy session, you know,
those trauma issues, withoutweeping without, like crying
alongside you and or them. Andthat's an honoring piece of who
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you are. And I think it'simportant for the audience here.
Like, you're you're able to holdthat space and really facilitate
healing.
Joni Marra (46:02):
They need to know that someone has their back.
Absolutely. They need to knowthat they've opened their self
up in sacred space, and I've gottheir back. I'm with them. But
I'm not going right there. AndI'm not letting their stuff
penetrate my body. That's again,I get depleted, or you get
depleted or anyone getsdepleted, you can't give away
(46:23):
what you don't have, right. Solet's not deplete ourselves.
Jennifer Malcolm (46:26):
No, and that's, that's beautiful,
because I think it's essentialwhen you go to the door, you
said, You know, I let that dropoff. And, and, and able then to
continue the beautiful work thatyou're doing. And, and that
allow that and and for me, Iwould want and this is why I've
done my work some work with youis I do need to know that
(46:47):
someone has my back. And it'salmost like that lifeline of
when you're climbing, you know,the side of rappelling or
climbing up the side of amountain. And I need to know
that that line is going to bethere. And if I slip or I fall
or my feet aren't secure, thejourney has me and I'm safe. I'm
safe.
That's great.
(47:07):
So do you want to? Well, I wantto ask, are there what do you do
to fill your tank? So Joni isgiving she's on her healing work
and journey you've done work.
You are an adrenaline junkie.
But what do you do to fill yourtank? Do you do yoga? Do you
read meditate, jump off, likejump out of airplanes to do
(47:32):
that,
Joni Marra (47:33):
yes, the adrenaline junkie still says days in me. I
love to cook. And I love to be Ilove to be with my husband 35
years next week. And the cookingin the baking and the
entertaining that we do at thehouse. We feed people we have
hospitality. That's one of ourterrorism's. We're so blessed
(47:55):
with. So feeding, cooking. Yes,the adrenaline. I do appreciate
my quiet time. But I'm one asthe Myers Briggs, as you
mentioned, I'm the extroverts Iget my energy from being with
others, just being in thepresence of others. And I don't
care if we are walking, I don'tcare if we're talking, but being
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with the other. It's a give andtake.
Jennifer Malcolm (48:20):
How did you respond? it with COVID. And I
know that, you know, some assome of the regulations and
things kind of started goingaway, early summer, and then
some it's kind of swung back.
How are you doing personallywith? I'm a high extrovert, I
get energized with being aroundpeople. I get depleted when I'm
stagnant. And you know,housebound without stimulation.
(48:40):
How did you do during this time?
Joni Marra (48:45):
I had my tough days.
There were a couple of days thatI thought you know what, let me
just get COVID and get it overwith now let me go lick the
floor at some store. And I'mlike, Okay, wait, what are you
thinking about? What are youfeeling? And so I came in, I
used my tool. And my tool was Iwas just angry about what was
going on, the anger was out ofbalance. So one of the tools
that I use is I do a primalscream. And a primal scream is
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in a safe place. And you feelthat you're aware of where the
anger is in your body, and youlet it out through the screen.
That's one of the tools that Iteach, you want to do it in your
car in your home when no otheranimals are around. But I use my
own tools. I do my own stuff,right. And frankly, I was really
angry that I couldn't doanything in life wasn't normal,
(49:30):
right? recognize it and do it.
Jennifer Malcolm (49:35):
That's powerful. And I know he talked
about this on an earlierpodcast, but I know that I
through through the years, angertends to be a first response.
And so I used to slam doors orcabinet doors. I wanted to make
sure that people knew mom wasn'thappy. You know, like mom's not
happy. No one's gonna be happy.
And that has healed healedthrough the years. But for
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Christmas, I asked my husbandChad to get me a punching bag.
And so what I wanted wassomething that was safe,
healthy, a great positive outletto move energy. If I'm mad, it's
very appropriate for me to goput down, put on my boxing
gloves and go, you know, hitthis bag and let out the anger
(50:20):
let out the frustration versuskeeping it a either in my body
and ignoring it or be having itcome out sideways through
slamming doors, etc.
Joni Marra (50:31):
So because it's going to come out one way or
another. So the idea is to use atool, like do a hit down tool,
something like yours to, but touse a tool to be ahead of the
curve and get that anger out.
Because if not, you're going tobe spewing venom, when you don't
mean to, or it's going to stayin and raise your blood pressure
come out as eggs and the body isgoing to get rid of it somehow.
Let's be ahead of the curve andget it out.
Jennifer Malcolm (50:53):
It's great because my daughter, both my
daughters said the same thing.
Let me go let's go to arestaurant, I'm gonna lick the
counter, literally, I'm gonnalick the counter, I'm going to
get it let me fight it and go onout. Like that's not the healthy
manner. But the same thing ofyou know, the things that they
missed out on. My daughtermissed out on her senior year of
high school she missed out onyou know, having a real prom she
had a beautiful backyard prom.
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But she missed out on real prom,she missed out on a real
graduation, she missed out onall the celebrations that you
work for your senior year ofhigh school. And then it was
coming to her move to theUniversity of Findlay. And that
was you know, getting to thepoint of is that even going to
be viable is that going to bedoable and when COVID started
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threatening that element of herlife as a 17 year old, that's
when she was really angry. Theother stuff she could tell she
was frustrated with but shereally was either resilient or
kept it in stuff that in butwhen college and and moving on
to the next season or life waspotentially she was triggered
and and I was honoring herjourney, like your feelings are
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healthy, your feelings arenormal. And to move them out of
your body. In you knowfrustration, go hit the punching
bag, tears, talking through whatyou're feeling instead of
keeping it pent up is reallyimportant.
Joni Marra (52:12):
Especially as women, we have a cork sometimes in our
throat, and we just take it inand take it in and take it in.
We don't speak our truth, right.
But speaking your truth can bevery, very helpful. And I
encourage it, I want to makesure that if you're punching a
punching bag that you first gointo find out what is the
emotion, be aware of it, yousaid it's anger, where is it in
my body, and then breathe in andsurround it with your breath,
(52:32):
and then do your punchingbecause it has to be mindful,
because the body will know whatto do because you said you were
slamming doors are slammingcabinets, the body knows what to
do is trying to get somethingout. But let's help it and let's
be very mindful of it. And thenwe move it out.
Jennifer Malcolm (52:48):
So how do you how do you find it in your body
so that you've said that phrasea few times on this podcast?
Find it in your body? Sodescribe to the audience what
that actually means.
Joni Marra (52:57):
Sure. You inhale, you get from the neck down. And
you find out what is going inyour body? What's going on in
there. What is it feeling what'sgoing on in the body? That just
doesn't feel right. Payattention, become aware, and it
might take you a little bit oftime to become aware. But just
(53:17):
sit quietly. Eyes closed measuredriving, and as you find out
what's going on in the body. Andthen where is it and it's going
to be guilt fear, shame oranger. Or sometimes I'll ask
clients How big is itwatermelon? Great. cantaloupe,
what color is it? Is it thesurface of the moon? Or is it
the surface of a bowling ball?
Is it hard? Is it soft? Let'sgive it substance because it's
(53:39):
in their body? It needs to comeup. And it's amazing. Practice.
Jennifer Malcolm (53:44):
Yeah, because as you ask those questions, I'm
sure people instantaneouslyrespond. It's you know, it's
orange, it's a size of a melon,it's you know, it's you know,
soft, it's whatever, I'm sureyour body responds when again
you keep I didn't know I wishthere was a video on this one,
(54:04):
because Johnny keeps going fromher neck down and and putting
her her hands you know, rightbelow her chin. And really just
because we're so in our head andwe we navigate bury our head.
And our body is telling us somuch if we listen to it, and
take the time to be open to doto hear it.
Joni Marra (54:25):
Well. Even when someone says I have a lump in my
throat you're really because youdon't speak you have a lump in
your throat or I have a backpain like pain in the back
stabbed in the back. A lot oftimes when we are betrayed in
life, we do have back problems.
So all these little phrasesactually mean something.
Jennifer Malcolm (54:42):
Why do you think that women have that cork?
So give a little bit of thought.
Joni's wisdom of because that'svery good visual, you know, w
have a cork in our throathat bottles up and we take it
we take it we stuff it down, bt why do you think that is?
Joni Marra (54:59):
A lot of times The mom will be there. And she
realizes that she just has tosurvive, to get through the day
to get through this, to getthrough that to wear all the
different hats. And this is notjust about females, but you
asked about the female end ofit, and I do see a lot more
female. So we take it in, wetake it in, we take it in,
because we believe rather thanspeaking our truth, it's better
(55:21):
to just get through. And that'snot really living our life. And
it's not teaching others notwitnessing to others how to live
their life. But we take it in,because we'll deal with it
later. Or we don't have timenow. Or we have dual careers or
career and a mom. And we'retrying to do too much. And to do
one more thing, rather than takeit in is a to do list. So we'll
(55:45):
just shove it down. And believeme, it's going to come up at
some time. So my goal is for myclients, and I actually show
them to put your own oxygen maskon first, we're wearing a heck
of a lot of masks right now. Putyour own oxygen mask on first.
Because again, what I saidearlier, you can't give away
what you don't have. Right? It'snot deplete you, right.
Jennifer Malcolm (56:08):
And it's beautiful, because the cadence
and the rhythm of the podcaststhat are being released and have
been recorded and to bereleased. There's these dramatic
pieces of oxygen mask on firstself care if you're not if
you're not in a good space, thebreath and and the whole
foundation of the podcast is hisvoice and encourage and and
(56:32):
releasing what's been stuffeddown, that we say we don't have
time for we hide because ofshame. We hide because of fear.
We hide because of guilt andthose emotions that you were
talking about. But the essenceof this podcast is that every
woman as they hear your story asthey hear the power of the work
(56:53):
that you do, as they hear, youknow, might might testimonial of
the work that you've done withme and and will also give some
information of how to contactJoni, but the power of r
leasing courage and voice in tuth and if I when I see it m
deled, and you've been wanting tmodel that in my life, when I s
(57:13):
e it modeled, it gives me curage, it bolsters it gives me h
pe to say my voice does mtter, my truth does matter. My s
ory does matter. And even if i's letting it out to heal m
self, first getting that oygen mask on, and getting all t
at into my body, the goodness tthen be able to go out and g
(57:34):
ve it to others, which is the prpose now is I've been on a h
aling journey and I'm not hlding I'm not healed, and I'm c
ntinuing to the more I heal, te more I feel like I need to h
al it which you You said that lke you want to go deeper, like A
right, let's, let's get more othis junk out of my body to b
in that place of of power ad, and goodness and more over t
(57:56):
gifted to other women. It's bautiful. It's absolutely b
autiful. So any closing rmarks before we go into the l
st portion of this array? W're going to the this portion a
d then we'll do a closing rmarks.
Joni Marra (58:11):
It's up to you. I there is one sentence that
someone's a question thatsomeone said I think is great.
And that's probably anotherreason why we shut everything
down. But if I asked you to nameall the people and things you
love, how far down on the listwould you be? So until we truly
love ourselves unconditionally,we're not going to put the
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oxygen mask on, we're going tokeep the core kit. Wow, once we
believe that we're worth it.
That's the way we live.
Jennifer Malcolm (58:43):
I love it.
That's powerful. So we did askJohnny and if you're driving
your car listening this podcast,please pull over or hit pause
and finish this podcast when youwhen you're in a safe space. But
we did ask that Joni will take afew minutes to just take us i
to a little bit of meditation ad breath. And I'm not going to d
scribe it. I'm just going to alow her to facilitate it. So J
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ni, you're on.
Joni Marra (59:11):
Okay, thank you.
Jennifer Malcolm (59:12):
You're welcome.
Joni Marra (59:14):
I'd like for you to sit and just be eyes closed if
it feels right. If not have asoft gaze. Inhale, is if you're
inhaling from the crown of yourhead. Take that breath through
the entire body and exhalethrough your mouth. As if you're
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exhaling through the soles ofyour feet in your feet have
roots deep into Mother Earth.
The next breath, breathe in topull this one through your feet
through the body and exhalethrough the crown of your head
into the divine. Whatever youdefine that as We keep and we
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release, whatever we choose.
When we release, the idea is toreclaim. We were born with
everything we need. But lifeexperiences, people, comments,
but a lot of toxins in our bodyand we allow them to stay there.
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So for the next 45 seconds, youhave a choice to release
something and reclaim somethingelse. It's what I'd like for you
to do is imagine breathing intoyour heart, your heart has four
chambers into that firstchamber. Inhale, what you need
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more of that of love, peace,happiness. And exhale. In this
moment, what is not serving you?
forgiveness, fear, sadness, feelshame. Go to the second Chamber
of your heart. Again, inhalewhat you need more of in this
moment. Exhale, what you don'twant anymore, even if it's just
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a little bit of a third chamber.
Again, inhale what you needmore. Exhale, what doesn't serve
you. And then to the last andfourth chamber, inhale right
into your heart, what you need.
Exhale, which you don't. But nowimagine your heart, filling with
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that life giving oxygen feedingto every cell in your body
through the blood, giving youthe love the peace, the
happiness, the joy, whatever youchose. fulfilling what you need.
Breathe on your own a couplebreaths. Once again, a big
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breath in in through your nose,inhale, when you don't think you
can bring in any more, bring injust a little bit more and hold
it. When you don't think you canhold it anymore. Hold it two
more seconds. And then exhaleout of your mouth. When you
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think you've squeezed all theair out of your lungs, squeeze
out a little bit more. Then whenit feels right, come back to the
room, eyes open. My invitationto you is to put both arms out
to your sides is if you're readyto fly. And this is good because
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it opens up your lungs to get agood breath in there. Get that
good breath in. And then haveyou that inner child who holds
all of your wounds enjoys. Thankyou.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:03:16):
Thank you, Joni. That was powerful. So we
will definitely put all ofJoni's contact information how
to reach her. And I just amhonored to call you my friend.
You have You have been such ajoy in my life of experiences
and healing and laughter andgreat wine and conversations.
(01:03:37):
And I cannot wait to hang outwith you and Jim again. So,
thank you so much for your timetoday. And sending blessings and
love.
Joni Marra (01:03:47):
Thank you. Go o something for you toda
Jennifer Malcolm (01:03:49):
I will thank you. So thank you for joining us
on this podcast with Joni and welook forward to hearing and
connecting with you next week aswell. So don't forget that every
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Welcome to the Jennasis Speaks podcast, The
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Transformative Power of Women'sStories where every woman has a
story and every story matters.
I'm your host, Jennifer Malcolm.
And with me today is a longtimefriend, colleague, healer Joni
Marra. here to share her storytoday. She's a founder of inward
bound a private practice whereshe treats clients with clinical
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hypnotherapy and breath therapy.
And we're going to jump into herstory from her grassroots for
profit work that transitionedinto her why for what she's
doing today. So welcome, Joni.
Joni Marra (01:08):
Thank you very much.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:10):
It's so good to see your face. I love the
power of zoom.
Joni Marra (01:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:15):
I haven't seen you face to face in probably
three to four years. And I inpreparation for today, I was
trying to think back when youand I first met, and I believe
if I remembering correctly, itwas around 2011 at common
grounds, and I participated in afirewalk out there. And you and
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Jim, were also there. Yes. And Ithink I bunch of us went went
out afterward and grab beers.
And I do believe that was thefirst time I really hung out
with you guys
Joni Marra (01:47):
by walking and then bonding over beers. Exactly. I
love it. Let's put anyone want.
Exactly.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:52):
That's a great day. That's a great day. But I
just wanted to start with yourstory of your work and in the
public sector and in the forprofit arena. And give the
audience a little bit ofbackground of who you are and
the work that you did. And thentransition right into you know,
your work that you do today.
Joni Marra (02:10):
Yes, thank you. You mentioned the word transition.
And that's what I want to weavethroughout our discussion. It is
trust, transition, saying yes orno and accepting. And for me,
you asked for my background, Iwas a sales rep. I sold
industrial products for nineyears. And I went to law school
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at night. After I graduated fromlaw school and took the bar. I
then worked at a corporation for13 years and loved it and
probably could have retired fromthat Corporation, they treated
me royally. But it didn't feedme I needed something else. So I
left there, and I went tononprofit, thinking that that
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would be me. And it didn't. So Itrusted myself again, made
another transition, left thenonprofit said yes to whatever's
next, and I didn't know what wasnext. And then decided that I
wanted to have my own practice.
So I went to the ClevelandClinic and I got certified in
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clinical hypnotherapy throughthe wellness Institute. I loved
the modality because it teachesus to go in and to heal. I
received one more certificationand that was in breath therapy.
And that was through integrativeconcepts in Arizona, once again,
getting out of our head, gettinginto the body and healing
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patterns. So for the last eightyears, I have now had inward
bound. And I well actually threeand a half years of formerly had
in warband. Eight years, I haveseen clients with either
clinical hypnotherapy or breaththerapy. So went from sales rep,
to law student at night, to thefor profit to the nonprofit to
my own stuff now. And I lovewhat I do. That's awesome.
Jennifer Malcolm (04:07):
So describe to the audience what hypnotherapy
is. Because a lot of people maysee the bio of this and be like,
well, that's just woowoo stuff.
And it's soft stuff. And, youknow, does that really work? And
is it really real? And I thinkthe benefit and the validity
that you know, Cleveland Clinic,there's science behind it.
There's such deep healing powerbehind it, but the audience may
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hear it, like that's a littlewoowoo. So let's go into what it
is and the power and the impactof what can what can occur if
you step into that.
Joni Marra (04:46):
Sure. Let's take separate first is clinical
hypnotherapy. And what weusually think of hypnosis is
whenever you are in a Las Vegasroom, maybe bad Some dark or dim
lights and some alcohol and it'slate and someone is up on the
stage calls people up, and allof a sudden, asks them to run
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around the house and act like achicken. Exactly. Ask them to
run around their room and eat anonion and pretending that it's
an orange, right? That'sactually hypnosis. Okay? My
practice is clinicalhypnotherapy. The difference is
through hypnosis, the person whois facilitating tells you what
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you do, tells you what you aregoing to do, tells you what you
think tells you what you say,the opposite from my end, but we
use hypnosis just to get into arelaxed state. But you Tell me
your story, we go deep into thebody, and we find out what is
your pattern, the pattern serveto as a little girl. But it may
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not serve you now as an adult,right. And that's the pattern or
the wound that we have to heal.
The other part of it is breaththerapy, that is using the
breath to also go into a bit ofa trance, to slow the body down,
get us out of our head, you'vegot a lot of body from your neck
down, let's get into thatsubconscious. Exactly. And find
out what pattern is in there.
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You breathe 18,000 times a day.
So let's make sure that some ofthem are mindful. And using
these tools to to release whatdoesn't serve you anymore. Want
to bring in What does,
Jennifer Malcolm (06:32):
right. And it's interesting because even
growing up in western medicineand methodology versus Eastern
religion, methodology, EasternThis is normal. This is a normal
daily part of really feeling allof it and, and Western is
catching up to Easternmethodology. And what the
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benefit of just breath gettingoxygen full breaths into your
body, the power and just healingof that alone without, you know,
going into let's go deeper intowhat served you earlier, but
just breath alone oxygenatingthe body because, you know, I
know how often I talk fast, I gofast and move fast. And then I'm
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like going going going I'm likewhy am I had a breath and it's
just allowing myself to be andtaking Keeling breaths in to
calm to get perspective that Ithink is becoming more and more
norm. But it still can beunknown to a lot of people. So
what are some types ofsituations and I know you have
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HIPAA laws and privacy which isbeautiful. But what are some of
the like examples of work thatyou can do through either breath
therapy, hypnotherapy orcombination of both?
Joni Marra (07:57):
Thank you. And yes, I am under HIPAA and
confidentiality what I hear frommy clients I take to my gray, a
period that we have to have atrusting relationship. Again,
the trust trust in yourselftrust in the transition. The
benefits are just let's just gowith some of the breath therapy
benefits burns and eliminatestoxins from your bloodstream,
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releases toxins stored in thetissues of the body. boost your
immune system, lowers your bloodpressure increases circulation,
reduces physical stress, reducesemotional stress, enhances
libido and both sexes. increasesintimacy and relationships
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increases mental clarity andcreativity. Who wouldn't want
that?
Jennifer Malcolm (08:48):
No exactly, and it's free.
Joni Marra (08:49):
It's free if you took my next line.
Jennifer Malcolm (08:54):
I didn't know that was your next line. So I
didn't mean to steal that fromyou. But it is it's free. It's
just taking the time and beingintentional to do that. Wow.
Joni Marra (09:04):
So the type of clients the type of healing that
we work with, is I not atherapist, but it's really stuff
that you would go to a therapistfor. And just kind of boil it
down inside relationshipproblems. I don't want to eat
carbs. I don't like myself. Iwas an abuser. I have been
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abused, either emotionally,physically, sexually. I've been
in trauma, and I didn't evenrecognize that as
Jennifer Malcolm (09:37):
powerful because all of us could identify
with one of those. Or we canextrapolate it out. I smoke I
drink too much. I am a exerciseall the time and image issues
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and I know through some of thegroups that I that are in my
circle, we talk about thingsthat serve us, that distract us
from pain. So whether that's TV,food, alcohol, smoking,
exercise, in any of thosethings, maybe in and of
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themselves are not harmful. Butwhen you use those as your
crutch, or use those becausethey serve you in some way to
avoid, to avoid pain, towithdraw, to get numb, they can
serve us to protect us, we'reall looking to protect our
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hearts and our souls. And Ithink, through breath, and
through the work that you do,there's a there's a whole
pasture of healing, and beauty,and an ability to walk in higher
confidence, deeper freedom andjoy, that we that we don't
access and we should access.
Unknown (11:00):
Well, you need to, I believe you need to go with a
dark is to get to the goodies,that's where the gold is, right.
And the phrase that I use, whichwas akin to yours, is I want my
clients to be more confident,more courageous, and less
compromising, right. And mypractice is about three things.
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One is becoming aware of what'sgoing on out of your head into
your into your subconscious, toI teach tools, and three, use
your tools, you don't need mehe'll and go out with each
other.
I love it.
Joni Marra (11:33):
Really. That's what I did through my transition from
sales rep, to law school atnight, to nonprofit to from
profit to nonprofit, it was thattrust was the going inside. It
was the willingness to not becompromising anymore. And to say
yes, and speak my truth, and sayno, and speak my truth, to get
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out of my comfort zone into mychallenge zone. And that's what
I teach clients.
Jennifer Malcolm (12:00):
That's great.
So when you say you go and youtake your clients, and often you
go to, you know, as aadolescence child, young adult,
these things served you, theybenefited you, and they may not
serve you now as your adultself. Can you can you go a
little bit deeper in what thatmeans? Because that may go over
some people's head and say Idon't I don't know what even
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that means. Can you go a littlebit deeper into explaining that?
Joni Marra (12:26):
I believe I can.
Here's an example. A mother iswalking hand in hand with her
small child who's maybe fiveyears old. They're walking,
maybe even in a store down thestreet, toward them, comes one
of the mother's friends and sayshi. And she reaches down to grab
this little girl in hunger freeCOVID. Exactly. The little girl
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doesn't know who this person is.
There's a towering person withan elevated voice coming toward
her. And so she gets afraid. Shehides behind her mother's leg.
And she starts to cry. Themother is embarrassed, doesn't
know what to say and says, Oh,she's shy. Well, here's what
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happens to the subconscious.
That subconscious can take infor the little girl because she
doesn't know what shy means. Butwhen you're fearful, run away,
start to cry, and don't count onauthority taking care of you. So
she grows up, when she getsfearful subconscious kicks in.
And she it's her flight, sheruns away, or she starts to cry.
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Because the patterns been set.
She's in her boss's office. herboss says something to her. She
takes it as fear. The boss shedidn't mean it. But the girl
takes it as an adult goes backto the cubicle instructs to cry.
That's the pattern that nolonger serves her. It serve
turned a moment that hadhappened. But it no longer
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serves her. So we go in, throughan age regression we get in, we
find out where that wound is,and we heal it. And it doesn't
even matter what people werethey meant it or not. But it's
how the body took it in. Not themind but the body.
Jennifer Malcolm (14:06):
That's powerful, because I am sure
every woman listening to thisnow can identify with something
as an adult woman going, maybethis is an emotional reaction
that I don't know where it camefrom. But I am either triggered
and get defensive. I'm triggeredand I withdraw. I'm triggered
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and I cry. I'm triggered and itstarted somewhere earlier, where
it was reinforced or birthed orthat deposit came and your body
learns to respond to that typeof trigger.
Joni Marra (14:42):
Again, you're right, you're activated or you're
triggered from trauma, and fourthings are going to come up
guilt, fear, shame, or anger. Sowhen something happens in your
trigger, and your triggers aremuch different than anyone elses
That's why you and I can go seea movie, you'll like some parts.
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And I like other parts. It's,it's what how we were built. So
guilt, fear, shame or anger.
That's usually how we respond.
And if it's not in balance inyour body, then what's going to
happen is you're going torespond, it's going to be out of
balance, and you're not going tounderstand why. And you're not
going to be able to trustanyone, especially yourself. So
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if you're looking for atransition in life, you need to
be able to trust you, becauseyou're the only one you have for
the rest of your life.
Jennifer Malcolm (15:31):
And that's powerful. Because I know as a
woman, caretaker, moms, we helpnavigate other people's hearts,
we help breathe encouragement inlife. And, you know, I just
dropped off my 17 year off toher freshman year of college
yesterday and mixed emotions,pride, such pride. Such some
(15:53):
fear of Okay, she's out on herown. And you know, a little bit
of worry, joy, sadness, grief,you know, so all these emotions,
we're always caretaking othersand, and maybe cognizant of our
emotions, but how many women andthis will be a great question to
pull when we when we releasethis podcast, is how many women
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really do self care and oridentify a trigger? That we feel
guilty? Angry? What were theother two? guilt, anger, fear,
and shame? And do those serviceor they are or what do we do
with those emotions? And, youknow, in full candidacy, you
know, the, the emotions that Iprobably deal with the most are
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guilt and shame. And some of itsfrom I'm sure, childhood trauma,
and fear driven things, that nowas an adult, those are my first
triggers emotions. Right, thatcome forth, that are not the
appropriate emotion. If myhusband, Chad, and I get into an
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argument, you know, he's not,he's not shaming me. He's not,
you know, belittling me, we'rejust having, you know, a
disagreement. And those, thoseemotions don't serve me as an
adult woman.
Joni Marra (17:15):
And those emotions in you, I'm what fear in each of
us, because if we ever havefear, we're gonna walk across
the street and look both waysand smack we're going to get
hit. So fear keeps us healthy. Iwant anger in each of us.
Because if we don't have anger,we're not going to stand up for
what we believe, and guilt andshame. We want those into Be
humble. But we want them inbalance with the love with the
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joy with peace with the harmony,we want to imbalance. And when
they're out of balance, we chasethem around as if they are our
master. Think of a marionettepuppet. And the cross bars are
the fear. So the fear says Oh,go over here and do this. And we
follow along. The anger sayscome over here and do this. And
we follow along. Let's cut thoselines to those cross bars, not
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the life we desire and deserve.
Once we cleanse ourselves out.
Jennifer Malcolm (18:04):
So if I would come to you and I have come to
you for the audience, I havedone some work with Joni, and
it's powerful and deep and, andhealing. But for a typical
person, do you go in once andyou're done? Is it multiple? Is
it I'm going to go in and dosome deep work? And then maybe
every three months come back?
And kind of, you know, keepseeing you? How does it work?
(18:25):
And I know you said ultimatelyyou want to cut the ties and
have people spread the joy. Butwhat's a typical scenario
working with you?
Joni Marra (18:35):
It really depends.
Okay, usually the first sessionis a clinical hypnotherapy
session. Because we want to goin remember, what am I aware of?
It's no longer serving me. So wego in and find that I teach the
tools. And then I anticipatethat you'll go out and use the
tools. I don't see clientsunless they do their homework,
you've got to do your homework,because this is about healing. I
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don't see clients very often Ineed to see them maybe every
three or four weeks because theyneed to go out and do their
work. Some clients will comethree times some clients will
come one time, it really dependson what the issue is. We can say
other healing. But a lot oftimes clients want to go deeper
and deeper. And if they want togo deeper, that's cool. I will
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go deeper with them. But if theycome and just come here to learn
and not practice, I really can'tsee the clients anymore, because
that's not what this is about.
It is a journey like every womanhas. And I want her to embrace
it. And I want her to trust anduse the tools. So after one time
she has tools, right? If shewants to come back, that's fine.
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That's fine. I know that it'sall about her, not about me,
because now I can be confidentand I want her to be confident.
That's great can be courageous,she can be courageous and I want
us both to not compromise.
Jennifer Malcolm (19:54):
And knowing the write up in the preparation
for this. You said my practiceis not psychotherapy. I am not a
therapist. So what does thatmean? So you're just a
facilitator, like, how would youdescribe that? Because some
people might say, Well, I'mgoing to go in and I have a
counselor, I have a therapist,and it is different. And how
would you really differentiatebetween those two things?
Joni Marra (20:16):
I work with the therapists, and they mostly work
with talk therapy. So if one ofmy clients needs to talk
therapy, I refer out a lot oftimes to talk therapists
referring to me, I work with thesubconscious consider the neck
down. That's great. Yeah, well,we work because the body and the
muscles have memory, that'swhere everything is stored. So
(20:36):
whenever I have mycertifications, they are
certifications, they are notlicenses, okay. I don't feel
comfortable saying that I'm atherapist. But what I do is I
work with clinical hypnosis,hypnotherapy, and I also work
with breath therapy.
Jennifer Malcolm (20:50):
So did does the breath therapy, and the
clinical hypnotherapy tend to gohand in hand, or are they? Do
they go back and forth? Or theycome? Obviously, they're
complimentary. But in a practicesession with you, are you doing
both? Or are you teaching anddoing the deep work the first
time giving tools such asbreath, and then allowing the
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person to work on those? So howdo those two things go hand in
hand?
Joni Marra (21:18):
Thank you for asking. Usually, we start with
clinical hypnotherapy becausethat's a very deep, but we can
start with breath therapy, itreally depends on what the
client's issue is, what he orshe wants to heal, and how far
they want to go and how quicklyI leave that up to them. I give
them the menu, and then we workit out from there. So it's
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usually clinical hypnotherapy,then maybe a session of breath
therapy, to show the how theycan compare and contrast that.
But sometimes when they're socomfortable with that, they'll
go back to clinicals. Becausenow they want to go deeper, and
they want to clean the stuff outof theirs, like I got this baby,
let's go for it.
Jennifer Malcolm (21:57):
That's great.
It's like cleaning out thecobwebs or cleaning out a
closet, you know, all of us werepurging, you know, the very
beginning of COVID. And when youget one area cleaned out,
organized, put back together theway it's supposed to be. Yeah,
it does encourage you and giveyou energy and desire and hope
to let's move on to the nextarea where I can he'll clean out
the closet, you know, clean outthe closet, wipe down the
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cobwebs, and be a morecourageous person as well.
Joni Marra (22:25):
And a lot of times people will come once and say,
Look, this isn't for me. Okay? Alot of times, within six months
to a year, I'll see them againand they'll say I'm ready. That
kind of the appetizer, butthere's no judgment, there's no
expectation, it is what it is.
And they're not used to thattype of environment. Right. So
sometimes that can be a littleintimidating.
Jennifer Malcolm (22:48):
And and as an I could break my own HIPAA law.
So you're not I know you're notsaying anything. But when I did
my work with you, I only feltlove and anyone who would ever
work with Joni, you. Even if yu don't work with Johnny, if y
u ever meet Joni, you are the ebodiment of love. You are just a
ways fully present fully. Just i's like this love bubble. You j
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st come in you feel safe, you fel warm, welcome. You feel i
cluded. And it's just goodness lke you when you're you spend t
me with you, it just goodness eulates around you and doing t
e work that I did with you. It ws a very hard for me to go in a
d trust you with, you know, prt of my story and journey. B
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t the benefit of I knew I was sfe. And I knew that I was in g
od, warm, trusting care. That wuld serve me ultimately, b
tter. So I want to honor you ithat space as well, because y
u're an amazing woman.
Joni Marra (23:48):
Thank you.
Jennifer Malcolm (23:49):
You're welcome. How did you first start
learning about hypnotherapy andthe breath therapy? Was it
always a part of your journey?
Or did you just stumble acrossit one time and lead? Yeah,
that's for me. Um, I
Joni Marra (24:03):
I was actually swimming in the pool, someone at
the gym and swimming laps,someone said they were going to
go to the Cleveland Clinic andbe trained, and I could not get
it out of my mind. And I justfelt called to it. And that's
one of those journey feelingsthat I need to trust. I need to
trust the transition need to sayyes when it feels right, and
then accept. So once I learnedthat, and I especially like this
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certification because I had todo my own work as a client to
get my certification. And then Idid all of my supervisory hours
over the Lyndhurst office at theCleveland Clinic. So I like that
because I had to do my stuffclients did their stuff. Then I
wanted one more modality.
Because if someone doesn't wantclinical hypnosis, hypnosis, I
want to be able to give thembreath therapy, which they can
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do completely on their own afterone session, right?
Jennifer Malcolm (24:52):
That's powerful.
What would someone coming toyou? What expectations should or
shouldn't they have Have if theyhave a session with you.
Joni Marra (25:05):
Um, I always have a phone conversation with
prospective clients, because Iwant to make sure that what they
expect and what I can deliver,equals, right? They don't need
to spend their money or theirtime, if it's not going to be
what they need. So what theywould expect is to come into a
safe environment where it'sconfidential, where whatever
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they want to happen can happenfor healing. So if they want to
go deep into something, they cango deep. If they just want to
discuss, they can discuss,discuss. But the three things
again, that I will work on is,what are they aware of in their
body that's no longer servingthem, I'll help them identify it
to is they will leave withtools. And three, I invite them
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to use their tools. Great.
Jennifer Malcolm (25:56):
That's great.
Can you give another example,such as the one that you did
before about a little girlholding our mom's hand? How that
because that's very easy forsomeone to visualize of, here's
an example of, of a childhoodexperience that can represent as
an adult. Can you give anotherexample, and I'm putting you on
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the spot here? Because I didn'task you to prep this. But
another example of thatsituation of something that that
would have served us as a childto protect us it was the right
emotional response or, or thatthat then takes hold in our
body, that in real life as anadult would show up, that does
not serve us.
Joni Marra (26:38):
Yes, it is a similar one. But this one was the body,
the child's body, absolutelyshutting down. And this is about
sexual abuse. So if there's anytriggering out there, anybody
that's not comfortable with it.
You don't need to listen, it'sokay. I honor that. I had
someone come to me who was intheir 70s. When this person was
in boarding school, when he was10, he was sexually abused by
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the headmaster. He's now 72. Heleads with anger, whatever
happens, he leads with anger.
Because what happened when hewas a little boy, and he was
sexually abused in boardingschool, he could not say
anything, he completely shutdown. So he's lived for 60 some
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years now, with this anger ashis first go to. So he
recognized the 72 wasn't servinghim and he came. And we talked
about it. And he was able to goback to be that little boy
again, to give that little boy avoice and say, Stop. This isn't
right. And a little more tothat. So he was able to be the
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little boy and stop it. releasethat anger that had been in
there all those years. Now is nolonger a clue.
Jennifer Malcolm (28:03):
That's powerful, no
Joni Marra (28:05):
longer a client for good reason,
Jennifer Malcolm (28:07):
right? No good reasons. And how powerful and in
my heart aches to say that todeal with that type of emotional
trigger. 60 some years. Yeah,being cognizant, but open at 72
years old to embrace change. Andit's that trust transition that
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you opened up with trusting youtrusting the process, trusting
the healing, and being willingto go into a trance, transition
state. But the power of the workto identify as a young child,
stop, this is not right, useyour voice. And there's no shame
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in in not using your voice as akid being sexually abused. It's
the podcast I recorded last weekwas on sexual abuse and of a
child and, and shame confusion.
I don't even know what sex was.
I didn't I had never had thebirds and bees talk. So all this
is new. And, and beingreinforced. If you're you'll be
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good, you know, you're a goodgirl. If you keep her mouth
quiet, you're a good girl.
Because you're helping me,you're a good girl. So positive
reinforcement that an abusergave. But thank you for sharing
that because when you use themale, but to just for you're
never too old to go back andheal.
You're never too old to go backand release these emotions that
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aren't serving you.
Joni Marra (29:38):
And now he has anger in him but in a proper balance.
And he has shame and guilt athim but a proper balance and
that's all we want.
Jennifer Malcolm (29:45):
Exactly. So when I did and I'll share a
little bit about my when I did asession with you. I do remember
being fully, I shouldn't sayfully. I do remember the entire
thing. So I know that some of itis like Well, whatever. Remember
the therapy session? Again,talking about hypnosis and what
someone is telling you to do.
versus your guide hypnotherapy.
(30:09):
That is,
Joni Marra (30:10):
I'm sorry, pulling from you,
Jennifer Malcolm (30:12):
pulling from you drawing it out of you and
guiding you. was my experiencetypical. Do people typically
remember their entireinteraction with you? Is there a
place where they may notremember all of it? Or is it
just vary.
Joni Marra (30:28):
with all due respect, I won't speak to yours
sharp what I will do is I willjust talk about the playing
field. Oh, sure. Absolutely.
People experiences. Yes, youwill remember it is not that you
are completely out in asleep. Itis not that you are wide awake.
It's just a very relaxed state.
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And you will remember, andchances are you you will
release. So a lot of times we'rein a trance, and we don't know
it. There's one statistic thatwe're in a trance 90% of the
day. Sometimes you drivesomewhere and you don't know how
you got there, right? That's atrance, the body just takes over
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the subconscious just takesover. And while I'm talking
about statistics, I did want toshare one about breath therapy.
70% of the toxins in your bodyare released through your breath
every day. Only 30% of thetoxins in your body, every day
are released through urination,perspiration, and dedication. So
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you think about what you doevery day. That's only 30% 70%
is with the breath. So you getthat breath into your belly. And
you breathe that out.
Jennifer Malcolm (31:45):
Wow.
So every so the person will beaware, as I was, it was almost
four and and I'm allowed, I'mallowed to share my own
experience, right?
Joni Marra (31:57):
You didn't share whatever you say word about it.
That's
Jennifer Malcolm (32:01):
no, that's fair, fair. And so for me, I do
remember it was like almost asleepy state. Very, very warm,
comforting, loving environment.
I remember responding to Iremember a lot of I remember our
conversation. And it was almostlike that Twilight sleep where
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you're you still are responding.
But you're really relaxed, andyou're very open. And that was
that was my valuable experienceshare in that regard. That was
my experience. And it'spowerful. It's just, it's
powerful. I had an opportunityto meet with another woman, I
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did not do a session with her.
But I just happened to crosspaths with her a few weeks ago.
And she's in similar work. Andit was intriguing, because it
was it's not about some youchanging me. It's about you
pulling out. And that was herstory too. I was pulling out
things that don't serve. But mywilling I it's my willingness to
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also participate.
Joni Marra (33:12):
Oh, sure, you have a choice. You can keep all this
stuff in, you can heal and moveon.
Jennifer Malcolm (33:17):
Right. And that was her take is I could do
a hypnotherapy with someone whosays they want to quit smoking.
But if they really don't want toquit smoking, my session isn't
going to magically do a magicone and make it go away. So
there has to be an activation ofthe will the soul the spirit to
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go along the journey with you aswell. Right?
That's awesome.
How do you help? Is there acertain type and it's like you
do all sorts of work. But inpreparation, there was a
question that came up about howdo you support people who are
going through the death process?
And I think that you had somethoughts on that or some
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experience without again, youshare what you're allowed to
share or not a lot of share.
Joni Marra (34:09):
This is another trust myself and trust in
transition. Be open andvulnerable and say yes and no.
Sure. I feel called I'm keepingmy practice but I feel called to
have a slice of it. For thedeath experience. I've done
hospice volunteer work for over20 years. I'm an attorney, so I
do the legal end of it. I don'tactively practice. I am now
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working on a process to haveclasses to face the fear of
death for others if they choose.
And it's not so much theElisabeth Kubler Ross with as
the stages of death and dying,that can be part of it. But it's
also what best serves you toface the fear of dying. And it's
not so much like hospicepatients, which Very close with
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and I get to, I get to watchthem and be with them when they
take their last breath on thisearth. But it might be for some
of us that are afraid to fly.
And we realize we're not reallyafraid to fly, we're afraid to
die. Not the fear of flying.
It's the fear of death. So let'sface death, and let's talk about
that fear. Do you want to writeyour own obituary? Do you want
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to know what a funeral home is?
Like? Do you want to do thelegal end of it that you need to
do your advanced directives? Doyou want to lay in a casket? Do
you want What do you want? Doyou have your advanced
directives done? Right? I willtailor a session and this is
still in my ear, I feel calledI'm trusting myself. Yeah.
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tailored to whatever best servesthis dyeing process. Hearing is
the last sentence. Before wedie. Let's all know that let's
make it public. So when we'rewith someone, if we choose, when
they're dying, let's make surewe talk to them. So that's where
I'm going with that. Take thatfear away. And whatever your
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religious belief is, if there isone, let's, let's face that,
what happens maybe you just goto ashes to ashes, dust to dust,
maybe you take the hand of theLord, maybe something else
happens, I older whatever it is.
But when you've got beard, let'sface it,
Jennifer Malcolm (36:18):
I love That's powerful. Because, again, and
I'm just singing praises aboutwho Joni is, you will fully
embrace whatever journey anyoneis on, honor their journey on
where they're at. And help guidethem facilitate. Let's work on
the things that don't serve you.
So I love that you're youbrought a little bit of religion
(36:39):
into it. Because people may say,Well, does she have a religious
belief? Do I have to be of areligious orientation? To do
this process with you? Or? Orcan I just be, I don't know what
happens, or I do believe thatI'm going to heaven? Or do you
believe in reincarnation? Or doyou believe in you know,
afterlife? Or I do believe like,I'm just going to be eaten by
worms. And that's the end of it.
Joni Marra (37:02):
But wouldn't you believe our honor, because it's
yours. But for some reason aboutwhat is doesn't serve you and
you want to get rid of it? Well,good, I'll work with you. I'll
be your partner.
Jennifer Malcolm (37:13):
And you have such an adventurous spirit. And
the other thing that I want toshare some stories about Johnny
that I was able to share withher so firewalking was one. And
we also did a New Year's Daypolar jump into Lake Erie. But
(37:34):
so I want you to take a fewminutes to talk about each of
those two experiences, you know,because people are like, okay,
walking on fire, that'simpossible. And just talk about
a little bit of the science andmethodology behind that. And
then the just the joy of jumpinginto Lake Erie on January 1.
Joni Marra (37:53):
Okay, well, we'll start with what I practice is,
as a little girl, I didn't playa lot. As a little girl, I
wasn't an adrenaline junkie,well as an adult as soon to be
60. That didn't serve me, right.
So I needed to face What didn'tserve me. And I wanted to be the
adrenaline junkie. So I'vejumped out of a plane I have,
yes, walked on fire, it isbetween 11 and 1300 degrees,
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those coals in my head would sayyou can't do that. Your head
might say you can't do that. Butyou know, with a proper
training, you can face your fearand walk right across those
coals. And then the opposite endof the fire was the water.
Right? I'm not a big fan ofwater. But let me face that
fear. So let's do it at highnoon on January 1. And let's get
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on the lakes of the shores ofLake Erie, Erie. And let's go
right in where the water is coldat 37 degrees with temperature
outside is 27 degrees. Yeah,there's a lot of science behind
it. But sometimes our worstenemies between our two years
out of the head into the body,right. And so then I now trust
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myself more. And I try newstuff.
Jennifer Malcolm (39:10):
It's powerful, because I think was 2011 when I
did the firewalk. And I would Imean I was scared like I was
petrified. And I knew that I hadto see some people do it first
and make sure that they got tothe other side and they were
safe and and when you do it, itis minor matter and it's just
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trusting that the peoplefacilitating you know are good
and wise and keeping bestinterest in mind. And the same
with when we jumped into LakeErie it was I did 52 things I've
never done going into my 14thyear for my birthday. And I was
like alright, I've never doneone and that was the very first
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January 1 going into my 14thyear and you were there and I
just jumped in. And I remember,I think your arms were just
raised when you came out, youwere like glorious. And I was
like, Where's my blanket and myhoodie and my jacket and but
just just prior proud to do newthings. And my husband Chad is
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he loves adventure. And hisstory is, you know, if you're
going to die with something,let's have something exciting
and live, live a legacy. Thatis, he's not an agenda. Maybe
he's an adrenaline junkie. Butwhen we went to Alaska, you
know, I'm like, we want to seebears. And he, you know, he's
like, wouldn't be awesome if Igot mauled by a bear. And that's
how I went out. And I was like,That's horrible. And he goes,
(40:39):
Yeah, but that's a great story.
Versus I sat on my couchwatching TV, and I, you know,
had a heart attack. And that wasmy, that was the end of my life.
And so it's just perspective andfear how much fear holds us back
from experiencing things? Andhaving joy in in uncovering
things that we may never havetried before.
Joni Marra (41:01):
Exactly.
Jennifer Malcolm (41:03):
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Has
your practice been affectedthrough COVID? Are you doing
more work? less work? Becausepeople maybe have the gift of
time now? And someintentionality? Or How's that?
How's your work been impactedthroughCOVID?
Joni Marra (41:18):
Oh, thank you for asking. Um, I did not see
clients face to face. In midMarch through I think it was the
beginning of June. If I had anyexisting clients, and they
wanted phone or zoom, we woulddo that. But we did. I did, I
did no charges at that point.
All we did was we stayed inconnection if they needed to, to
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stay in connection, we would dobreathing over the phone. It
wasn't fair to have a new clientthat way, because he or she
would not get the experience ofwhat breath therapy is I could
never do clinical hypnotherapyover the phone. It's just not.
So I start to see clients havebeen June and I am seeing some
new clients now that for somereason, after the pandemic, they
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are during the 10 panic, they'reready to go deep. They're ready
to start purging. And they mayhave heard about me before,
because it's mostly through wordof mouth. But they're ready to
take that step and trustthemselves. So I'm busy and very
blessed.
Jennifer Malcolm (42:23):
That's good.
Now you were the first that Iknew that Cleveland Clinic
actually, you know, helps train.
How long is that trainingprocess? Is there a lot of
people throughout Northeast Ohiothat, you know, have the
certifications that you do? Oris it you know, just a small
circle that that has had thatwork with through Cleveland
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Clinic.
Joni Marra (42:48):
It's the wellness institute that we're taught it
at the Cleveland Clinic. Mostly,a lot of that, from what I
understand a lot of therapistsin the area, if they've gone to
that training, they added as onemore thing that they do.
Cleveland Clinic integrativemedicine does have sessions. So
you can go there and do clinicalhypnotherapy or receive clinical
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hypnotherapy. As for how manyare in the area, I'm not real
sure, my practice is small. AndI like to keep it that way.
Because I will not see more thanthree clients a day, because I
want to make sure that thatthird client gets just as much
as the first client, if I'mthere I am with you, I am
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participating. So as to how manyclinicians are in the area, I
think that would have to be asearch to check. If somebody is
interested, they can if theywant to the Cleveland Clinic
behind them, they can go to theCleveland Clinic and receive it
within her office.
Jennifer Malcolm (43:46):
So that's interesting, because you said a
lot of maybe therapists go inand get that as one spokes in
the wheel of all the all thedifferent types of therapy that
they do where this is yourreally folk focus of how to
heal, how do you put up yourshield or your wall because
you're hearing a lot of heartstories, you know, and how how
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do you protect your heart, yoursoul, your mind over yourself,
you know, a physical doctor, youknow, has to take precautions
with care, you know, care forpatients. But when you're
working with trauma triggers, orthings that didn't serve us how
do you put up that eitheremotional shield or something to
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protect yourself as well.
Joni Marra (44:30):
Um, I had to learn and I know that every cell of my
body, I need to be on my gamewith my client. So if I take the
last client's information in andit starts to affect me, I'm not
on for you. So I know that Ihave done the best that I can
for every client. And when theywalk over the threshold out of
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my office, that that is theirs.
I keep all of my clients inprayer. They have access to me
if they want to me but it doesnot penetrate Mi does not
penetrate my heart mind got noneof that. It's beautiful.
Jennifer Malcolm (45:04):
Because, and again, maybe that's something
that I need to work and grow on.
And I always use excuse like,I'm such a compassionate person.
I'm a high feeler so on a, youknow, an idea, your Myers brigg,
I'm a high feeler, I feeleverything. And I am an
intuitive, I, I pick upemotions, I pick up what's not
being said, I pick up energypretty easily. And I think I
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would really struggle. And maybethat's why you do the work that
you do, and I'm doing the workthat I do, but I would really
struggle with, with capturing ina therapy session, you know,
those trauma issues, withoutweeping without, like crying
alongside you and or them. Andthat's an honoring piece of who
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you are. And I think it'simportant for the audience here.
Like, you're you're able to holdthat space and really facilitate
healing.
Joni Marra (46:02):
They need to know that someone has their back.
Absolutely. They need to knowthat they've opened their self
up in sacred space, and I've gottheir back. I'm with them. But
I'm not going right there. AndI'm not letting their stuff
penetrate my body. That's again,I get depleted, or you get
depleted or anyone getsdepleted, you can't give away
(46:23):
what you don't have, right. Solet's not deplete ourselves.
Jennifer Malcolm (46:26):
No, and that's, that's beautiful,
because I think it's essentialwhen you go to the door, you
said, You know, I let that dropoff. And, and, and able then to
continue the beautiful work thatyou're doing. And, and that
allow that and and for me, Iwould want and this is why I've
done my work some work with youis I do need to know that
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someone has my back. And it'salmost like that lifeline of
when you're climbing, you know,the side of rappelling or
climbing up the side of amountain. And I need to know
that that line is going to bethere. And if I slip or I fall
or my feet aren't secure, thejourney has me and I'm safe. I'm
safe.
That's great.
(47:07):
So do you want to? Well, I wantto ask, are there what do you do
to fill your tank? So Joni isgiving she's on her healing work
and journey you've done work.
You are an adrenaline junkie.
But what do you do to fill yourtank? Do you do yoga? Do you
read meditate, jump off, likejump out of airplanes to do
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that,
Joni Marra (47:33):
yes, the adrenaline junkie still says days in me. I
love to cook. And I love to be Ilove to be with my husband 35
years next week. And the cookingin the baking and the
entertaining that we do at thehouse. We feed people we have
hospitality. That's one of ourterrorism's. We're so blessed
(47:55):
with. So feeding, cooking. Yes,the adrenaline. I do appreciate
my quiet time. But I'm one asthe Myers Briggs, as you
mentioned, I'm the extroverts Iget my energy from being with
others, just being in thepresence of others. And I don't
care if we are walking, I don'tcare if we're talking, but being
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with the other. It's a give andtake.
Jennifer Malcolm (48:20):
How did you respond? it with COVID. And I
know that, you know, some assome of the regulations and
things kind of started goingaway, early summer, and then
some it's kind of swung back.
How are you doing personallywith? I'm a high extrovert, I
get energized with being aroundpeople. I get depleted when I'm
stagnant. And you know,housebound without stimulation.
(48:40):
How did you do during this time?
Joni Marra (48:45):
I had my tough days.
There were a couple of days thatI thought you know what, let me
just get COVID and get it overwith now let me go lick the
floor at some store. And I'mlike, Okay, wait, what are you
thinking about? What are youfeeling? And so I came in, I
used my tool. And my tool was Iwas just angry about what was
going on, the anger was out ofbalance. So one of the tools
that I use is I do a primalscream. And a primal scream is
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in a safe place. And you feelthat you're aware of where the
anger is in your body, and youlet it out through the screen.
That's one of the tools that Iteach, you want to do it in your
car in your home when no otheranimals are around. But I use my
own tools. I do my own stuff,right. And frankly, I was really
angry that I couldn't doanything in life wasn't normal,
(49:30):
right? recognize it and do it.
Jennifer Malcolm (49:35):
That's powerful. And I know he talked
about this on an earlierpodcast, but I know that I
through through the years, angertends to be a first response.
And so I used to slam doors orcabinet doors. I wanted to make
sure that people knew mom wasn'thappy. You know, like mom's not
happy. No one's gonna be happy.
And that has healed healedthrough the years. But for
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Christmas, I asked my husbandChad to get me a punching bag.
And so what I wanted wassomething that was safe,
healthy, a great positive outletto move energy. If I'm mad, it's
very appropriate for me to goput down, put on my boxing
gloves and go, you know, hitthis bag and let out the anger
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let out the frustration versuskeeping it a either in my body
and ignoring it or be having itcome out sideways through
slamming doors, etc.
Joni Marra (50:31):
So because it's going to come out one way or
another. So the idea is to use atool, like do a hit down tool,
something like yours to, but touse a tool to be ahead of the
curve and get that anger out.
Because if not, you're going tobe spewing venom, when you don't
mean to, or it's going to stayin and raise your blood pressure
come out as eggs and the body isgoing to get rid of it somehow.
Let's be ahead of the curve andget it out.
Jennifer Malcolm (50:53):
It's great because my daughter, both my
daughters said the same thing.
Let me go let's go to arestaurant, I'm gonna lick the
counter, literally, I'm gonnalick the counter, I'm going to
get it let me fight it and go onout. Like that's not the healthy
manner. But the same thing ofyou know, the things that they
missed out on. My daughtermissed out on her senior year of
high school she missed out onyou know, having a real prom she
had a beautiful backyard prom.
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But she missed out on real prom,she missed out on a real
graduation, she missed out onall the celebrations that you
work for your senior year ofhigh school. And then it was
coming to her move to theUniversity of Findlay. And that
was you know, getting to thepoint of is that even going to
be viable is that going to bedoable and when COVID started
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threatening that element of herlife as a 17 year old, that's
when she was really angry. Theother stuff she could tell she
was frustrated with but shereally was either resilient or
kept it in stuff that in butwhen college and and moving on
to the next season or life waspotentially she was triggered
and and I was honoring herjourney, like your feelings are
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healthy, your feelings arenormal. And to move them out of
your body. In you knowfrustration, go hit the punching
bag, tears, talking through whatyou're feeling instead of
keeping it pent up is reallyimportant.
Joni Marra (52:12):
Especially as women, we have a cork sometimes in our
throat, and we just take it inand take it in and take it in.
We don't speak our truth, right.
But speaking your truth can bevery, very helpful. And I
encourage it, I want to makesure that if you're punching a
punching bag that you first gointo find out what is the
emotion, be aware of it, yousaid it's anger, where is it in
my body, and then breathe in andsurround it with your breath,
(52:32):
and then do your punchingbecause it has to be mindful,
because the body will know whatto do because you said you were
slamming doors are slammingcabinets, the body knows what to
do is trying to get somethingout. But let's help it and let's
be very mindful of it. And thenwe move it out.
Jennifer Malcolm (52:48):
So how do you how do you find it in your body
so that you've said that phrasea few times on this podcast?
Find it in your body? Sodescribe to the audience what
that actually means.
Joni Marra (52:57):
Sure. You inhale, you get from the neck down. And
you find out what is going inyour body? What's going on in
there. What is it feeling what'sgoing on in the body? That just
doesn't feel right. Payattention, become aware, and it
might take you a little bit oftime to become aware. But just
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sit quietly. Eyes closed measuredriving, and as you find out
what's going on in the body. Andthen where is it and it's going
to be guilt fear, shame oranger. Or sometimes I'll ask
clients How big is itwatermelon? Great. cantaloupe,
what color is it? Is it thesurface of the moon? Or is it
the surface of a bowling ball?
Is it hard? Is it soft? Let'sgive it substance because it's
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in their body? It needs to comeup. And it's amazing. Practice.
Jennifer Malcolm (53:44):
Yeah, because as you ask those questions, I'm
sure people instantaneouslyrespond. It's you know, it's
orange, it's a size of a melon,it's you know, it's you know,
soft, it's whatever, I'm sureyour body responds when again
you keep I didn't know I wishthere was a video on this one,
(54:04):
because Johnny keeps going fromher neck down and and putting
her her hands you know, rightbelow her chin. And really just
because we're so in our head andwe we navigate bury our head.
And our body is telling us somuch if we listen to it, and
take the time to be open to doto hear it.
Joni Marra (54:25):
Well. Even when someone says I have a lump in my
throat you're really because youdon't speak you have a lump in
your throat or I have a backpain like pain in the back
stabbed in the back. A lot oftimes when we are betrayed in
life, we do have back problems.
So all these little phrasesactually mean something.
Jennifer Malcolm (54:42):
Why do you think that women have that cork?
So give a little bit of thought.
Joni's wisdom of because that'svery good visual, you know, w
have a cork in our throathat bottles up and we take it
we take it we stuff it down, bt why do you think that is?
Joni Marra (54:59):
A lot of times The mom will be there. And she
realizes that she just has tosurvive, to get through the day
to get through this, to getthrough that to wear all the
different hats. And this is notjust about females, but you
asked about the female end ofit, and I do see a lot more
female. So we take it in, wetake it in, we take it in,
because we believe rather thanspeaking our truth, it's better
(55:21):
to just get through. And that'snot really living our life. And
it's not teaching others notwitnessing to others how to live
their life. But we take it in,because we'll deal with it
later. Or we don't have timenow. Or we have dual careers or
career and a mom. And we'retrying to do too much. And to do
one more thing, rather than takeit in is a to do list. So we'll
(55:45):
just shove it down. And believeme, it's going to come up at
some time. So my goal is for myclients, and I actually show
them to put your own oxygen maskon first, we're wearing a heck
of a lot of masks right now. Putyour own oxygen mask on first.
Because again, what I saidearlier, you can't give away
what you don't have. Right? It'snot deplete you, right.
Jennifer Malcolm (56:08):
And it's beautiful, because the cadence
and the rhythm of the podcaststhat are being released and have
been recorded and to bereleased. There's these dramatic
pieces of oxygen mask on firstself care if you're not if
you're not in a good space, thebreath and and the whole
foundation of the podcast is hisvoice and encourage and and
(56:32):
releasing what's been stuffeddown, that we say we don't have
time for we hide because ofshame. We hide because of fear.
We hide because of guilt andthose emotions that you were
talking about. But the essenceof this podcast is that every
woman as they hear your story asthey hear the power of the work
(56:53):
that you do, as they hear, youknow, might might testimonial of
the work that you've done withme and and will also give some
information of how to contactJoni, but the power of r
leasing courage and voice in tuth and if I when I see it m
deled, and you've been wanting tmodel that in my life, when I s
(57:13):
e it modeled, it gives me curage, it bolsters it gives me h
pe to say my voice does mtter, my truth does matter. My s
ory does matter. And even if i's letting it out to heal m
self, first getting that oygen mask on, and getting all t
at into my body, the goodness tthen be able to go out and g
(57:34):
ve it to others, which is the prpose now is I've been on a h
aling journey and I'm not hlding I'm not healed, and I'm c
ntinuing to the more I heal, te more I feel like I need to h
al it which you You said that lke you want to go deeper, like A
right, let's, let's get more othis junk out of my body to b
in that place of of power ad, and goodness and more over t
(57:56):
gifted to other women. It's bautiful. It's absolutely b
autiful. So any closing rmarks before we go into the l
st portion of this array? W're going to the this portion a
d then we'll do a closing rmarks.
Joni Marra (58:11):
It's up to you. I there is one sentence that
someone's a question thatsomeone said I think is great.
And that's probably anotherreason why we shut everything
down. But if I asked you to nameall the people and things you
love, how far down on the listwould you be? So until we truly
love ourselves unconditionally,we're not going to put the
(58:34):
oxygen mask on, we're going tokeep the core kit. Wow, once we
believe that we're worth it.
That's the way we live.
Jennifer Malcolm (58:43):
I love it.
That's powerful. So we did askJohnny and if you're driving
your car listening this podcast,please pull over or hit pause
and finish this podcast when youwhen you're in a safe space. But
we did ask that Joni will take afew minutes to just take us i
to a little bit of meditation ad breath. And I'm not going to d
scribe it. I'm just going to alow her to facilitate it. So J
(59:06):
ni, you're on.
Joni Marra (59:11):
Okay, thank you.
Jennifer Malcolm (59:12):
You're welcome.
Joni Marra (59:14):
I'd like for you to sit and just be eyes closed if
it feels right. If not have asoft gaze. Inhale, is if you're
inhaling from the crown of yourhead. Take that breath through
the entire body and exhalethrough your mouth. As if you're
(59:38):
exhaling through the soles ofyour feet in your feet have
roots deep into Mother Earth.
The next breath, breathe in topull this one through your feet
through the body and exhalethrough the crown of your head
into the divine. Whatever youdefine that as We keep and we
(01:00:02):
release, whatever we choose.
When we release, the idea is toreclaim. We were born with
everything we need. But lifeexperiences, people, comments,
but a lot of toxins in our bodyand we allow them to stay there.
(01:00:26):
So for the next 45 seconds, youhave a choice to release
something and reclaim somethingelse. It's what I'd like for you
to do is imagine breathing intoyour heart, your heart has four
chambers into that firstchamber. Inhale, what you need
(01:00:51):
more of that of love, peace,happiness. And exhale. In this
moment, what is not serving you?
forgiveness, fear, sadness, feelshame. Go to the second Chamber
of your heart. Again, inhalewhat you need more of in this
moment. Exhale, what you don'twant anymore, even if it's just
(01:01:15):
a little bit of a third chamber.
Again, inhale what you needmore. Exhale, what doesn't serve
you. And then to the last andfourth chamber, inhale right
into your heart, what you need.
Exhale, which you don't. But nowimagine your heart, filling with
(01:01:40):
that life giving oxygen feedingto every cell in your body
through the blood, giving youthe love the peace, the
happiness, the joy, whatever youchose. fulfilling what you need.
Breathe on your own a couplebreaths. Once again, a big
(01:02:04):
breath in in through your nose,inhale, when you don't think you
can bring in any more, bring injust a little bit more and hold
it. When you don't think you canhold it anymore. Hold it two
more seconds. And then exhaleout of your mouth. When you
(01:02:29):
think you've squeezed all theair out of your lungs, squeeze
out a little bit more. Then whenit feels right, come back to the
room, eyes open. My invitationto you is to put both arms out
to your sides is if you're readyto fly. And this is good because
(01:02:54):
it opens up your lungs to get agood breath in there. Get that
good breath in. And then haveyou that inner child who holds
all of your wounds enjoys. Thankyou.
Jennifer Malcolm (01:03:16):
Thank you, Joni. That was powerful. So we
will definitely put all ofJoni's contact information how
to reach her. And I just amhonored to call you my friend.
You have You have been such ajoy in my life of experiences
and healing and laughter andgreat wine and conversations.
(01:03:37):
And I cannot wait to hang outwith you and Jim again. So,
thank you so much for your timetoday. And sending blessings and
love.
Joni Marra (01:03:47):
Thank you. Go o something for you toda
Jennifer Malcolm (01:03:49):
I will thank you. So thank you for joining us
on this podcast with Joni and welook forward to hearing and
connecting with you next week aswell. So don't forget that every
woman has a story and everystory matters and that means you
to have a good day. Subscribe tothe Jennasis Movement to empower
women's voices and reclaim thepower over your own narrative.
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