S3 E24: Season 3 Finale

Season 3 is done, and we’re going full Chick-fil-A—closed for summer and open for poolside chaos, family time, and snacks we don’t have to share.

In this episode, we reflect on the wild ride from “should we even do a podcast?” to building a secret sisterhood of women who are over the Pinterest-perfect pressure. We chat sneaky travel tricks, why your 40s are kind of magical, and how hot dogs became part of our conflict resolution strategy (don’t ask, just listen).

We’re taking a break, not a breakup. Season 4 lands in August with fresh laughs, deeper convos, and maybe even a live event. Until then, take the trip, skip the guilt, and embrace the chaos.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Jerking Around, a podcast that makes you
feel better about yourself,because we're a mess just like
you, and Crystal makes fun of meall the time and it's great and
it's real.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to Jerking Around.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome Guys.
It's a sad day, it is.
It's going to be the seasonender, season finale.
This is our last, I know.
Yeah, I know Our last one forthis season.
Melissa didn't know.
Yeah, yeah, well, we got toexplain why.
Yeah, we got to explain whyOnly because, yes, we've thought

(00:45):
long and hard and we reallyprayed about it.
Yeah, we believe in seasons,seasons of life, seasons of the
podcast.
So we've done season one,season two, season three, and we
believe this is the ending forseason three.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, and we just were big on being present with
the kids, and the kids are offof school, so we really want to.
It's getting better.
I know it's cute jacket.
We really want to make thememories better.
I know it's cute, jacket.
We really want to make thememories with the kids.
We don't want to spend a wholeday coming here and doing all
this.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
We love it but we just believe to miss us a little
you'll like it and find outwhat goes on in the summer.
You'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, but we're likechick-fil-a, we just believe in
the summers.
We work still in the summer and, honestly, our job gets pretty
busy in the summer, right, butwhen we're not working, we take
a vacations and we're bigvacation people.

(01:31):
Yeah, we love a vacation andwe've decided to be proud of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, Because sometimes we're embarrassed yeah
.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We were.
We were closet vacationers notvery closet Cause you all know,
but we like get ashamedsometimes that we travel and
then we're like we're not gonnabe shamed anymore because we
don't do other things, becausewe travel and people can spend
money, like my patio furniturehas holes in it because I want
to take a trip and buy new patiofurniture.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, so my clothes are dorky.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I wear dorky clothes.
I have a hard time spendingmoney on clothes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Everyone has their area.
I don't love.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, everyone has their area.
I don't love yeah, yeah, yeahso, but I like to travel and we
have.
I sneak the travel in becauseKyle isn't a big traveler.
No, he was raised camping, sohe would camp, yeah, and do like
more free vacations.
This guy's coming for me, yeah,um he would do free vacation.
He likes to buy stuff, more helikes to buy he would buy a boat
right now if he could right, hewould have payments on things I
don't like.
Like payments, but I also likemoments.

(02:26):
Yes, and in my Dave Ramsey yesMornings he talks about like
four effective ways to spendmoney and one of them is on
memories.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You'll feel good.
I do think that with the kids.
Like I look back at all thememories and like I bought him
for Christmas last year, but Ican like picture every trip, I
agree.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And it's like Kyle and I both work private jobs and
I feel like you and Ben arelike this as well, so our phone
rings 24-7.
So if we don't get out of town,it doesn't feel like we ever get
a break.
So when we go out of town, it'slike we're still answering the
phone at the beach, but we'rewatching the waves and we're
with the kids.
Yes, so it's a way to likejustify how much we answer the

(03:06):
phone.
Is that we get to?
And when I take Kyle, myhusband, out of our environment,
he relaxes.
Yeah, and I feel like we talkabout the grouchy husband kind
of, yeah, which we love men, butthere is a grouchy husband.
I feel like most husbands aremore grouchy.
Totally, they say no to thingsmore.
The best way to combat ourfamily's grouchy husband is to
get him out of town.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And Ben's the same way.
Even his parents were like,yeah, I only see the real
relaxed Ben when he's hunting oron vacation.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Because he can't relax, hecan't calm down, he can't unwind
, and I think it's their jobsand whatever.
He's constantly thinking andstressing and worked up and
doing this at the house, hewon't relax.
So the only way to get him torelax is out of town.

(03:49):
He's like fun dad, fun husband.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I agree, kyle too, so fun and he's fun when we're
with you.
So I like traveling with youbecause then when we travel
alone I have to plan everythingand I don't enjoy it anymore.
I used to love it.
I feel like you went to Hawaiiyears ago.
I was like more of the planneryeah, so weird.
Totally, I am just not aplanner anymore.
I don't want to do it anymore.
I love the plan.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love going to my brother.
I'll plan anyone's vacation.
Call me, you know I don't wantto plan.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't want to know where to go to dinner.
I don't want to read about it.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I don't want to pick the things.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
So like when we go, it's just glorious.
Yeah, I called him.
I was like hey, you need tosend me money for the luau.
He's like all right, let meknow you already booked it.
Yeah, he's just so funny, youknow.
Yeah, he doesn't even yell atyou, no, so so the bottom line
is figure out what works andspend money on it.
Yeah, we also sneak it becausewe have a hyatt credit card and
kyle uses that for like workwhen he buys supplies and stuff,
so it helps us get free roomsright.
So then I can like it's a freeroom, we just have to get there
right, and then I use, like thecredit card for my business, so

(04:49):
usually I can get a few freeflights.
That's how we are.
So if you have a grouchyhusband, try to sneak it in by
using the word free, even thoughit's not really free.
No, as I'm learning with DaveRamsey, like if you didn't put
things in the credit, kyle paysoff.
Yes, I don't always as well,but I'm getting good at it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, if you can pay it right off, it's a way to work
the system.
Work the system a little bit.
It's when you get in trouble isif you can't pay it off, and
I've done that.
I've been there too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
And it sucks.
But Dave says you know we'renot doing that anymore, but so
we are.
We travel a lot and we travelon different schedules apart.
We're actually going to Hawaii.
We're super excited.
We told you guys about that.
But we just want to be like inthe moment and be present.
Yeah, and we're not.
We don't want to.
We want to be Chick-fil-A andwe want to make our values a

(05:37):
priority.
So our value is that we thinkit's important to be with the
kids.
Yeah, so we'll be back in thefall, once the kids get back in
school, we get back to recordingand it's going to be exciting.
I'm excited for tisha thinkswe're going to do some live
videos.
Yeah, I was like, let's do somelive.
Yeah, while we're gone.
We're just super uncomfortablewith it.
Yeah, but we're going to try,because everybody likes our
staging videos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and everybodylikes our stuff, so we're going

(06:00):
to try to do that more so youcan see, especially on
Especially on the ones we'retogether.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, I told her I'm like let's do like YouTube
videos, because Crystal's goodat editing, she can edit our
YouTube videos.
Yeah, yeah, see.
Yeah, yeah, let's do someYouTube.
We want to be live.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, melissa's going to help us.
Yeah, she's in this podcastjourney, just ourselves.
Yeah, that's why we look, Ihave a butt, butt boob today and
it's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I woke up at six to work out, so I didn't.
I'm like sweaty and smell.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, we just really want to lean into being
authentically ourselves.
We've been so we decided fortoday's podcast we're going to
just do some reflection on sincewe started the podcast and
season three, specifically onour life journey and this
amazing studio and people thatwe met this year.
Yeah, so for me, driving here,we had reflection.
We're going through a weirdtransition.
Tisha kennedy kennedy's goingto high school, which we like,

(06:54):
raise our kids like the amish,you know, like all is one.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's weird like I was begging hudson to go to high
school yesterday.
I'm all hudson just and she'stelling maddie that we're going
to take her to Summit tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I know, I want to tell and they bullied me at an
event You're going.
I'm like she's not going.
She's not missing school, I'lldo her homework.
Let's have her go.
No she's not going.
She has a dance recital thingfor school.
No, and it's okay.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's, it's.
She's not going, you, and Ifeel good about that because I
feel like if she wasn't, I thinkI would have a really hard time
and she's still gonna be a topgun, yeah.
So I'm feeling okay, but it isa really big transition.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
This has been like seven, eight years and I can't
at the eight years and I can'tAt the cheer gym.
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I can't even like.
I'm just like what is going on?
Yeah, it's a big change.
It's like when you know you'regoing to have a baby and you
feel like this change is comingand it's like such an unsettling
feeling.
Yeah, I had that last year.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
High school scared me with Maddie.
I felt like, and honestly,looking back, it's like you know
, when you look back and you'relike the naiveness was a
blessing.
Yeah, like I'm glad I didn'tknow what I know now, because I
would have been more scared.
Oh shit, like the growth she'staken in a year is crazy.
Yeah, she's so independent.
She's never home, she's alwayswith people.
Yeah, she's in cars.

(08:18):
We never even let her used toride with anyone.
Now she's riding.
Her friend took her to schoolthis morning.
It's like, is she even mydaughter?
But I didn't know all that.
But sometimes I feel like I wasfeeling like we say like a lot,
someone just made fun of us,screw you.
We say like a lot, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
On the real, Kyle yelled at me you bastard or
something.
Yeah, I felt better, though,cause I was watching the
Kardashians and Courtney waslike, yeah, I just have them
edit out all the likes.
And it showed clips and it waslike, like, like, like, like,
like, like, like, like, like.
She said it so many times.
Yeah, I felt better aboutmyself, but we just talk like
that in real life.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's the problem Totally.
But, um, I was seeing like somuch you like seasons change and
there's so many things thatyou're scared of change.
And then, when you look back athim, that change was really
such a blessing and we weretalking about that this morning
like coming to the podcast everyTuesday was like a gift for me
this year.
Like, again, lesbian lover.
Um, I like no matter what kindof day or week I had, knowing on

(09:16):
Tuesday teachers picking me upand we were driving and we were
going to go to Chino Bandito,our favorite place after.
It was just like a blessing andit got me into some structure
that changed the business, youknow, because I was quitting
last year and I don't think Imeant to quit, I think I just
needed to make some changes.
But when you're going through it, you don't realize the changes
needed to be made to get youwhere you want to be.

(09:37):
So you're just kind of likemaking choices to try to dodge,
like uncomfortableness.
In turn, it's like a blessing.
Like even at our cheer team,we've made some hard changes
lately, just because peopledon't like change, and on the
other side of it, I'm like thosechanges, even though they were
hard, they're such blessings now, yeah, but it's like when we're
going through it we don'trealize.
Like, even talking aboutleaving Top Gun, like can you go

(10:00):
into high school?
It's going to be this blessing,like there's going to be
something that comes so good outof the next change, but so
often we're scared for changewell, no one likes change.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's scary so I feel like there has to be things that
catapult you to do them,because otherwise very few
people would choose to leave it.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know yeah even like hosting things at my house.
I was thinking about all thethings because I've been really
tired lately and and I'm likeI've hosted so many things at
the house lately and I wasremembering when I used to host
wildlife at my house and shinethis women's Bible study and it
was so sad when those thingsended, but it was like I didn't
know in hindsight that God wasmaking room for something else,
right.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Cause you never could have done them all.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
But when you have to let go of something, it's sad,
it is, but you don't realizethere's growth coming.
And even for me, this lastseason season three, I would say
after losing my dad, I feellike I can talk about it now
without crying.
I feel like it just made suchan impact on my life in such a
positive way that I'm just waymore present in the now, even

(11:03):
with working, I don't feel likeI've lost that.
I don't feel like I'm runningcrazy.
No, even though life is crazy,I feel very present.
And I also feel like with work,like we change a lot.
We are a third of the team weused to be, and that's always
hard because, again, biggerseems better.
And I feel like as a businessowner, I grew to climb the
ladder, like I wanted to havethe big team, the big name.

(11:24):
You know I wanted all thateverybody else had.
And as I was getting there, Iwas like it's not so great.
More work means more overheadcosts, means you have to work
more to make the same money.
More money, more problems, moremoney, more problems is so true
.
And I think it's like a pivotwhere you learn I don't need my
name in lights, no, like I don'tneed to be that big to be happy

(11:45):
.
No, but I think that's growth.
Like I think we all have thosethings.
And I just feel like I don'treally care about that anymore.
No, which is big for me.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Usually, I like that yeah you're more into that than
me.
Oh, I love that stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
But I don just forgetting Shoot Is it about
growing and getting bigger.
Getting present.
Oh, I think the 40s, especiallynow that we're hitting 45, I
feel like it's such a cool age.
Yeah, I know you like to stayyoung, so I don't know if you
would say that.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, I like the 40s.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I just want to look 20s.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah See, I know Internally I'm loving 40s, I
love the 40s.
I'm like confident, I don'tcare.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I feel like it's the best era yet.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes, it's so fun, I don't have a lot of regrets and
you have, like you're moreestablished.
You don't give an no and you're, you know no-transcript therapy

(12:51):
too.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, like one of the biggest things I think I took
out of therapy which in seasonthree there has been no therapy
which is like a good thing in away.
I've learned to really learnwhat I can.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You haven't gone in a while.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I haven't gone.
Yeah, after my dad died I wentlike one or two times and then
that was it.
But I think I really learnedthis.
What I needed to learn intherapy was that I can only
control myself, right, and Ithink that's something that
people don't.
You don't learn that enough.
Just as a kid, you're worriedabout all the things.
Right again with the let themtheory it's kind of the same,
just worded differently is youcan't worry if everybody's mad.

(13:27):
You can't worry if everything'sgoing to go your way.
You can't worry about whatsports team your kid's going to
be on, because sometimes, whenwe are placing everything where
it's supposed to be, we'reforgetting to let God move Right
, and sometimes we got to justsit back and wait for the cards
to fall and just trust thatwe're doing what we can, and if
we hurt people's feelings on thejourney, that's not our problem
.
Yeah, as long as you'rerespectful and honest.

(13:47):
I think that's something I was.
My brother just told me this.
This weekend we went away.
We went to New York last weekfor a few days and I feel like
when I go with my brother it'slike a retreat.
Yeah, like it's, it's like aboot like a bootcamp for your
mind it's like a boot camp fromtoughness and business.
He's like get it together.
Yeah, last year, yeah, we wentaway when.
I was quitting he got me to notquit he made me came back.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
You're on like 75 hard.
I'm like what's going on?
This is great.
I'm all over.
Go with Justin more oftenbecause she wasn't quitting all
of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I mean he's not afraid to tell me the truth,
whereas in life maybe I comeacross strong, where some people
aren't telling me the truthbecause I argue.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well, and I tell you the truth, but I feel like
sometimes you argue or somethings like with the work, it
was like I was too close to it.
I didn't feel, like I didn'twant to tell you not to quit
because I felt like you wouldfeel like it was benefiting me.
Yeah, so it was hard, for Iwould like not read it the right
way.
Yeah and I.
It was hard for me to like beobjective, Cause it was, I was

(14:47):
in it, you know.
So I didn't want to be like, no, that's stupid.
Cause you'd be like, well,you're telling me that cause
you're gonna lose your job,Exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, but yeah no, so it wasn't.
Of course you don't want me toleave, exactly so I don't feel
like I could have said that forthat.
Well, I feel like this.
This conference that we had inNew York was he was, I was
telling him certain stories and,um, he told me that sometimes I
am dodging the truth when, inspite, the truth would have made
things a lot easier.
And you always tell that,because we're the same, her

(15:17):
teacher's husband is like me wedon't like to hurt people, so we
sometimes like, won't say thetruth, like, hey, are you going
to come to the conference onTuesday, maybe?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And I know I'm not going.
Ben does that all the time andbecause he doesn't want to piss
people off and I'm like they'renot going to be mad.
They might be a littledisappointed, but they're mad
when they think you're comingand then the last second you say
no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, and instead I need to just tell when I was
with the bigger team, I wasfriends, even if we weren't
friends right away.
I became so close with everyoneon the team that sometimes it
was hard to lead honestly.
Yeah, because I didn't want tohurt them because it was so
personal, right, and instead Ineeded to just like say what I

(15:57):
was thinking, feeling or what Ithought would help people grow.
Yeah, because that's your jobas a leader, and I think that in
a lot of things Like it's whatI'm gonna, let's be honest, you
could be on Kristen's podcast.
I'm gonna work on that, I'mgonna.
I feel like I've gotten better,though, because when you don't
care what people think, you'remore likely to be honest.
Yeah, because you're notworried about the repercussion.

(16:18):
But 40s, yeah, I just feel likeit's a great time.
I what would you think yourhardest, like block of age,
would have been 20s for surereally hardest, hardest, really.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
yeah, why I like, I really wanted to get married.
That's when everyone startsgetting married and I didn't
know what I wanted to do with mylife.
I knew I always wanted to be amom.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
So when I'm not married, it's all well, shit
that plan's not going great youknow, I always wanted to be a
stay-at-home mom, so my 20s waslike I feel like I was looking
for a husband the whole time andI wish I'm worried about being
last.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Everybody's worried about being last and everyone
was getting married and then Iwas dating idiots.
And I wish I actually look backnow and I'm like that was so
fun and I wish I could tellmyself it's all going to work
out, you're going to meet theone, he's going to be everything
you wanted and you're going tohave a great life.
And then I would have reallyenjoyed my twenties more,
because I was so stressed andworked up and you just don't

(17:16):
know yourself.
You're figuring things out.
You make horrible decisions,you're just lost.
I think it's a very lost.
And then that's when I became aChristian.
So I kind of like had a wholetransformation where I was like
not doing the best things andthen I became a Christian.
And then I was like not doingthe best things and then I
became a Christian and then Iwas better.
It was just very.
It was a weird time yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
For me too, that was, um, I don't know if I for me,
my hardest was my younger years,because I was picked on so much
because I had an afro puff andI was a fat kid.
So they would say those meanthings to me, like what are you
gonna do?
Sit on me, you know, you knowthat was rude, yeah.
And then they'd be like you'relike butter, the most fattening
thing in the world.
Shoot, yeah, and my parentsworked a lot back then, in all

(17:59):
honesty, and so I was very alone, like it was a very alone time.
My brother was six years older,so they were working and you
had less friends and you hadless friends, so you were just
alone.
I had no friends because I was afat kid.
That was kind of weird and youwould do things to be funny,
like that's how I got funny.
Yeah, because that's the onlytime people would hang out with
me.
But my best friend at the timewasn't always so nice to me and

(18:21):
I would put up with it because Ijust needed a friend.
Yeah, and then I remember thisI'm doing kidding.
I remember like being in my rooma lot watching movies and
eating.
So it's funny.
They say that how you cope as akid is how you cope as an adult
.
Yeah, like I like to be aloneand I like to eat in my bed.
We discovered last week yeah,so it's weird.
It's like that's how I cope islike the mechanisms you

(18:42):
developed as a kid.
Yeah, so my kids are going to,but I was very just lonely.
I was very like alone.
I didn't have anyone.
Really my family was mean to me, my brother.
That's why I freak out when mykids are mean to each other and
I know it's brotherly love, likeany time there was wide load on

(19:02):
the freeway, you know thosesigns Like oversized load.
Justin's like we need to getthose when we ride with you,
it's just like he's funny.
But like you don't realize andwe've said this before you don't
realize how much you identifyyourself based on what people
tell you you are.
Yeah, and if I could screamsomething to my kids or to
anyone is know your identitywith him and with yourself,

(19:23):
never trust what people say youare, yeah.
Besides, like one teacher, andthis is why teaching, especially
these days, can make me veryhappy or very upset, because
these teachers don't realize theeffect they have on these kids,
right?
But one time a teacher told meI was a good writer and if you
know me, I can't spell that's socute and you'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I like believed I was a good writer because she told
me and I still, I do think youare a good writer.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I am a good writer.
Errors yeah, like I can't spell, but good.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yes, and I like she told me at once and I still
believe it yeah, so people cantell me I can't spell and notice
, I'm not insecure about thefact that I can't spell.
I'll post with all the errors.
They don't even make sense,cause that lady told me I was a
good writer.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, that's true.
Someone told me, people told meI was smart when I was younger,
and I feel like I'm so smart,the weight loss thing, you know
those.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Why?
About comments?
Thank you, justin.
Yeah, you know, it's still likeyou don't realize.
So, like at that young agethere was so much coming at me
and I had a relationship withGod but he was like as my, like,
hey, I'd like a pink bike, youknow.
And I remember I would likepray about, like all the things
I was stealing.
I was stealing money.
It's like loser.
I, my brother, always had money.

(20:30):
He still has money, if anyoneknows us now.
My brother has a lot of moneyand he always had money.
So I would sneak in his room,steal and I'd go to the ice
cream man Because that's cool.
And then my mom, like, do youremember those cigarettes?
She'd tell me if I pretended tosmoke them, it was real, it
affected your lungs, oh, likethe candy cigarettes.
Yeah, I was like I'm a smokerbecause I puffed on the, so I

(20:50):
was just like a weirdo, likevery weird.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I feel like all kids are weird, though there's kids
do weird things.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I didn't feel like my kids were that weird.
I feel like they're weirder,like Hudson's a good time now.
She's at her weird stage, like,and I love it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Her and Ken are really something yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
But I was like a true loner inside, which is weird.
But I really like to be alone,like if I'm not alone at least
an hour in the day where I'malone, I'm so grouchy.
Yeah, because I like recoupalone.
But Kyle grew up with all thekids so he likes to always be
with me and with everybody andI'm like, eh, but this is a side
note, but Kyle and I went tothe movies on Friday.

(21:27):
I didn't have a lot to dobecause my phone broke.
This is probably why I had sucha good day.
Oh, my gosh, I'll tell you whyI had the best day on Friday
because my phone broke, becauseI dropped in the bathtub
Thursday night.
I had no phone on Friday so Iwas like, well, let's go to the
movies, because we had to orderit and it had to come in.
So I couldn't go get it at thestore because we got refurbished
.
We went to the.
I saw the accountant too.

(21:48):
I thought it was so good, wasit?
Oh, I thought it was Kyledidn't think it was good.
I thought it was so good.
No, we haven't seen that.
Like it was funny.
Yeah, there was like parts itwas funny, it was so good.
And then we like had the youknow a day, like you know
session, oh shoot.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, attention, yeah , and then we like do something
else Friday night.
Well, this sounds like everyday in my house.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like you know, there's the day session.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, and then like the attention, like we're going
on a hike there's a set, likethere's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, I feel like we do that a lot.
Like, oh, really, yeah, oh see,saturdays we're very separate
because, like he's going there,I like to drive separate to the
games.
Yeah, so we're never home on aweekend?
Yeah, so, no, never like that.
No, no, it was in the best mood, yeah, it's so funny.
I was like gosh that, really,and it does feed your cup when
you're like alone together.
Yeah, but I wasn't distracted,so I was probably in a better
mood because I didn't have myphone Right.

(22:43):
Sometimes when he's trying to,that's funny.
Though the day yeah, I'm notinto the day, but I was talking
to a friend of ours who's also ajerky, and we were talking this
weekend and there was a periodand this is again part of why we
wanted to start the podcast Waswe went to lunch and she was
going to get divorced.
She was done, she was fullychecked out, numb, meeting, with

(23:06):
lawyers, ready to go, and wewere like no, and so we're like
tell us what's wrong, right, andshe was like, well, he doesn't
really like it was I?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
can't remember.
It was like he had gone througha change, I think, in job, so
he was kind of going through athing and then she was going
through stuff as well and theywere on each other's nerves.
Family members passing, yeah,so there was two external things
that were contributinghappening, yeah, and then, yeah,
I think she was needing supportfrom him and he was needing
support from her, kind of likeour break, and they weren't

(23:37):
giving it to each other.
So then it was like it turnedpretty bad.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, and I think that's really normal when you're
like, oh yeah, even with my dad, I was so internal and I just I
was like a recluse and Kyledidn't know what was going on.
And if he's stressed at workand I'm stressed at work, it's
like we both need from eachother, but we both don't have
any left to give.
But a year later or two we'retalking to her and she's like
our marriage has never beenbetter.

(24:03):
And I said to her imagine ifyou would have gotten divorced
like you were planning on it,right?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know, but they really put all stops down, they
really went to counseling, theyreally made each other a
priority.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
They really changed a lot of things.
They were going to churchtogether.
They hung out with differentpeople.
I think the environment you'rearound sometimes yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I feel like some of the people they were around were
maybe encouraging it a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, and that was one of our passions is when we
sat at lunch and we're talkingto her, we were like a lot of
the things you are going throughare very normal she was like,
and he was being being a jerk ornot being a jerk, but he like
did something.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I'm all.
Yeah, that happens like everyday.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, it's no big deal yeah, I just feel like we
want to share that, but we'renot man haters.
Our mover today was like areyou guys gonna go to the podcast
and hate on men?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
no, that's what I was like oh my gosh, that's what I
want to reflect on for thisseason is I feel like some of
the clips I feel like weren'tlike an accurate depiction of
what I was saying, and I do feellike some of the things weren't
taken in the right context.
She's still bothered about it.
I'm still bothered.
Clearly, our movers think we'rea man-hater.
I'm like pro-man.

(25:04):
Yeah, I'm like the opposite ofa feminist.
Yeah, truly.
So you say yeah, yeah, truly.
So you say, yeah, I really am.
Though no, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
But you know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So it was very and this is someone that personally
knows us not just like a randoon TikTok, that's like you know
it is mom's basement.
Those randos get to you though,the randos in the mom's basement
are getting to me, you know,they really get to you, but like

(25:33):
, but he knows us and he, and sofor him to think that I was
like okay, I really just want usto have a clear yeah vision in
season four about, like, who weare and what we stand for.
What do you stand for?
Well, I know you stand for anal, oh my gosh, so I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
You can't say that and it's not even true.
Yeah, you're the one that triedit no, no, I didn't no, no, I
know I get it, you agree.
I was just trying to ask a weirdquestion.
So, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah,I feel like, yeah, I feel like
we just learned a lot throughthe journey, totally, but I'm

(26:03):
still learning.
I don't know.
But the 40s I just still reallylove it.
I wish I could tell girls,young girls, just wait, it'll
get so much easier.
Yeah, but the raising kids Ifeel like it's trickier.
The older kids is hard, theyounger kids they need so much
from you at all times, likeyou're fully, never have alone
time to think.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
But I feel like the older kids there's a lot of
doing Like getting snack,getting this, getting that.
When they're older they can dothat themselves.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
But themselves.
But the problems are.
So, yeah, they're letting go.
That's another thing.
That's been hard.
Or I feel like I was talking tosomebody yesterday and I said I
think I'm in a phase where Ifeel like I'm parenting with God
, whereas I'm trying to controlwhat I can control, but I'm also
letting there be breathing room, which is very scary.
Yes, I'm letting breathing roomhappen so that the lessons can
be taught while they'reauthentically and naturally.
I'm a breathing room happen sothat the lessons can be taught
While they're in the house,authentically and naturally.

(26:53):
I'm a big believer in naturalconsequences.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
But while they're still in your yes, where I can
pivot with them and you canguide.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, but it's very hard to let go Because I am a
control person.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I told Ben that this weekend, after our podcast
last week, I actually learnedsomething.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Did you when you listened?
I last week I actually learnedsomething did you when you
listened?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I told you remember when I said I relate and like
it's us, the parents, and I waslike, because Ben is very
controlling, I think, especiallywith, like, our oldest, he's
not as strong of a personalityand so he very much does what
he's told, and so Ben'sconstantly telling him what to
do, like to the point where it'slike eat breakfast.
I'm like if he doesn't want toeat breakfast, he doesn't have
to eat breakfast exactly, andhe's like to eat breakfast
Exactly.
And he's like, well, he's goingto football and I'm like, great

(27:31):
, well, when he is notperforming, then maybe he'll
want to eat breakfast, butanyways it.
I told him, I'm like you reallyneed to work on being less
controlling, cause we have twomore years that he's in our
house a hundred percent and Ireally want him to feel
empowered, yeah, and so it'shard because it is hard to give
them the empowering it's so hardto let go, but one of the

(27:52):
smartest things my mom did wasbefore that, that summer before
college, she really let therings off Like I.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I was allowed to do kind of whatever I wanted.
I didn't really do a lot badbesides go to the clubs that we
talked about after the night,like Blizzard Beach and, and it
was harmless and I had a newboyfriend that I really we had
the best time, which one oh yeah, he was a good boyfriend yeah,
that was fun.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh, we drove by it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Today, the retreat yes, the retreat, that's what it
was.
I saw it, I was like oh,memories and we were hanging
there and we were like it waslike a good group, we were
having so much fun and, um, wewere having so much fun with
like just like tp'ing or likewatching movies together and I
was allowed to like spend thenight there which was crazy kids

(28:39):
, but not kids anymore becausewe were going to college so it
was weird.
But when I got to, college Ididn't have this desire to go
crazy.
I didn't drink my first twoyears really at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I still went out, but I didn't have this like
rebellion.
No, we really did not drinkfreshman year Like no at all at
all and everybody did, but wewere fine with it.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Where I turned was when I hurt my knee.
And I got depressed because Ihurt my knee.
It wasn't like I drank becauseof this.
The void was I was in bed for ayear and I was like, yeah, and
all my friends went home and Iwas just up at college crutching
around the snow.
Yeah, and that's what reallychanged it for me.
But I I just feel like it'ssmart.
I was thinking one of our goodfriends, daughter, was over at

(29:19):
my house last night and herparents are out of town and
she's a junior and I.
She had prom this weekend andso her parents are out of town
for prom and I went over herweekend with her and she'll tell
me like the truth, and I I'mlike she made just such good
decisions all weekend.
I'm like, hey, are you spendingthe night here?
She's like I'm going to go backto da da da.
You know like they let her makeher own decisions because she's
proven that she can, right.

(29:40):
So I feel like it's justimportant to release control and
parent with God.
But it's also hard becauseyou're watching them learn hard
lessons that you've learned,like we were talking in the car.
I want to keep some of my kids'stuff private because they, you
know, yeah, they're friends,listen.
But like you're watchingcertain things happen, you're
like, oh, I would turn right, Iwould turn right, I wouldn't do

(30:01):
this.
But I think it's important thatthey go through it.
But it's not always easy towatch.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
No, but my mom was really good about that, like and
trusting that I was gonna makethe right choice, even while I
was making the wrong one.
Yeah, and I feel like I'mgiving my opinion.
I'm gonna give you my opinion,but I trust you and you're gonna
make the right choice.
You could do that too.
You know what?
I mean like I've given myopinion totally and I feel like

(30:27):
she knows my opinion.
I've given mine to my kidsabout some things.
I'm like I wouldn't do this,but it's like the hot dog eating
for you to figure out.
I do this thing.
Yeah, oh, it's the worst so Ido that, I know and I do with my
kids too and they listen.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, because if you don't, you're an idiot that's
how you make people feel where Isay I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
But if you want, to and I used to do it at work all
the time and it thing, like wecall it, the hot dog thing,
because I don't like hot dogs.
And so one time when we were inour 20s, we were in California
and we were on the beach and wewere walking.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
We were starving, we had no money.
We were with our other friend,Monica.
Yeah, and it was like a dollar.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm like, I'm going to get a hot dog on the street,
but if you want to, and then youfeel like you're just a piece
of crap, an idiot.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
There's no way I could have taken a bite.
She's like well, I like no,it's not that simple.
It's like I'm like do you guyswant to get a hot dog?
And she's like no.
And I'm like why?
Because it was like the way shesaid, it was like beneath her,
and I was like well, why aren'tyou?
Well, because, and I'm likebecause, why You're dying to

(31:33):
know.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like am I making a wrong choice?
The lips and buttholes of thepig, it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Did you hear that?
Yeah, Did you hear what happens?
It comes from a butthole of thepig.
So now I'm going to sit thereand eat the hot dog knowing you
just told crap it's from thebutthole of the pig.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
But I mean I'm not gonna eat that.
But if you want to eat it, gofor it.
My kids, I'm all that's fine ifyou want cancer.
They're like, yep, I don't care.
Yeah, it's so awkward, it'slike a bullying, really.
Yeah, but I do it at work tooand like we all joke around at
work like I wouldn't price itfor that.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
But if you wanted to sell in the market, I wouldn't
put that in there.
But that's up to you you wantto never make a dollar by
watching it for a year.
Good for you.
Yeah, you're like an idiot.
There's no way you can do it.
Yeah, but it's very powerful itis powerful, it's a very
powerful like, did you do thatto Kyle?
is that why he listens to you?
I don't know.
I think you do like that's fine.
If you want to raise your kidsto never go on a trip with their

(32:26):
father, then go to work,because all of a sudden I've
been trying to tell him to go toCooperstown for months.
Yeah, he has one talk with youand he's not missing Cooperstown
.
No, I did.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I told him I said, I did and I probably said,
something I probably did and Iwas like you.
You're trying to impress allthese or you're trying to make
these people happy.
They're never gonna be happy.
Who cares, you know?
But I say that yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm not saying maybe the way I said it I do I'm very.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
My dad used to say, yeah, you can sell sunglasses to
a blind person, which now thatI'm thinking I'm like all sun,
all blind people wear sunglasses.
So like that would be an easysell.
But no, but like I am very like, uh, persuasive you're very
persuasive.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I'm very.
That's why, at home, you getyour way a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I am very persuasive at home.
I can definitely get my way.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, it is crazy.
I don't really ever get told no, very rarely, and and I'm like,
when it happens, I'm like, well, that's different, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I'm all your whole life.
You've kind of been like that,though I know.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's weird.
It is weird, I know.
I feel like Kennedy has alittle of that.
I know I know, in a fight atcheer because ken tries to drink
all hudson's water and I waslike no, because she's like you
didn't bring your own, it's upto you and they're not drinking
mine.
And then ken told her, orhudson told her no, and ken was
trying to grab it and hudsongoes.
You don't take no for an answerand that's why your mom's

(33:42):
always pissed off at you.
Hudson was right and so I go,you're right hudson.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I am wait, I'm sure.
Yeah, isn't that so funny?
Yeah, that is pretty.
Did it help?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
She doesn't take no, though no.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
She gets it from you, I know, and then it works on
you.
I know that's the weirdestthing about me watching Kennedy
with you.
It's like.
It's like my own self, yes, andit's working on.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I'm like I know she plays you for a fiddle.
Do not get that she is playingyou.
And then I still want to.
It's weird, it is weird.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I've never seen someone do this to you more.
I know Like the boys can't win.
No, you're like nah it's nothappening.
No, kennedy, you're like well,and I'm like no, I know she just
got you.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I know I feel like Maddie does that to you too,
though Maybe it's becausethey're so similar to us.
Yeah, because Maddie is like me.
Because I've seen Maddie do itto you and she's like well, mom,
this.
And then you're like, yeah,you're right.
And I'm thinking what?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, it is like that , but the points are the things
I care about probably.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's like they know how to work you Totally.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Does anyone else do that to me?
No Like do the other kids?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
No, I feel like it's just Maddie like knows, or it's
like you're the same.
Yes, so it's like the pointsthat she makes.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's what Kennedy does.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I don't think she's trying to manipulate as much as
maybe Ken is.
But like I think the pointsthat she makes.
You're like, yeah, you're rightand I'm all you know right.
No, yeah.
But it's weird Cause Ken doesthe same to me and it's like
that's so I fall right for itLike an idiot, I know.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's crazy, I know, huh, kids, yeah, so anyway.
So any other reflections?
Let's think that was it.
Nothing that funny.
The bear story was really agood time, my favorite episode
was Tricia's for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, tricia's.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I got a few calls on that this weekend and it was.
It's just amazing.
It was really good.
That was probably my favoritething we've ever done.
Yeah, and I want to do a littlebit more of that in the next
season.
There's a few people I want totell stories and I feel like
hearing God work in these crazy,crazy times helps.
You remember, because even me,I feel like the world gets
around us and you do questionsometimes, like is this real or

(35:56):
is this God?
Is this not God?
Am I hearing it right?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And I love learning from new perspectives and people
that aren't like us, becausewe're just the same All the time
, yeah, so it's fun to hearother people, and Trisha's story
was like life-changing, though,yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
News facts.
We did talk about the news alot in the beginning.
We tried that as a podcast,like seeing if we like, because
I like talking about all thatstuff.
Well, and we do talk about itin real life.
Yeah, we do, but we evolved.
I don't think that's as much us.
I feel like we learned that too.
Yeah, we just want to be justtelling stories and best friends
and we think that's like thesecret to our chemistry Totally
Is that it's a little almostlesbian, but not but like a

(36:35):
weird friendship.
I think it's intriguing that wecan talk crap to each other and
be this close.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, and people have come up to us and said like, oh
my gosh, your friendship is soBecause I feel like for us it's
just normal.
But people have come up andbeen like, oh my gosh, your
friendship is so cool and sospecial and I wish I had a
friend like that.
Yeah, and you don't realizethat so many people don't have
that.
I know it's crazy.
So if we can be that for them,I love that.
We're your new best friend.
Yeah, we're here.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Oh wait, what was I just going to say?
Dang it, I'm really forgetting.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
But it's fun too, cause this is.
Another thing is I feel like Idon't know if we're seeing more
jerkies in real life or ifthere's more, but I feel like
we're with more that listen.
And it's so fun because I feellike it's this Sisterhood.
Yes, it's like we get it.
It's like a secret societyother, and like it's people I'm

(37:25):
not normally close with and Ifeel like we're close.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I feel like that's so crazy.
Yeah, there's a lot of people.
I feel like you know what I'mthinking right now.
Yes, and you agree.
Yeah, it's like its own secret,like you look at each other.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, and I'm like so myself and you know, for me
that's hard, I'm not totallymyself to people, but with the,
the jerkies, they know me and soit's this like understood
sisterhood.
I agree, I like, love it.
I love it too, and I'll missthat over the summer, and we
talked about maybe having somelive shows.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
That's our big goal for next year.
Yes, and we've.
This has been like aself-development time and this
year really helped us lean intothe fact that we love doing the
podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's like a passion project for us and it was
something God put on us for solong, like since before COVID
for years, and I wanted to belike a motivational speaker my
whole life.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm not saying this is that yeah but it scratches
that itch for me and I want tobe a comedian yeah so it's like
something that I just feel likewe're called to do this and we
have like our jerkies that wereally love, and if it only gets
that big, we're great with ittotally.
But we really feel like thelive events would just be so fun
because we'd get to talk tocertain people that we don't get
to see all the time we havetogether, because it's like so

(38:33):
cool and I feel like we'rereally funny in person.
It's like our better like.
Sometimes, all of this likedoes intimidate us a little bit
and we wonder.
I think this season, likegetting feedback and going viral
for the first time, taught uslike whoa, you do have to have a
thick skin for this.
Yes, some more than others.
The girl was getting like 12syringes, like everywhere down

(38:53):
below too.
No, no, but like they werecalling us old.
That's like your biggestnightmare, yeah, and like stupid
irrelevant.
It was hard to get through that,but then learning like what
really value, values us, likewhat our values really are, why
we're here.
I feel like we really learnthat.
We're passionate about, likemarriages and women supporting
their husbands and loving theirhusbands, and my good friend

(39:15):
told me this last week yes, Ifeel like one of our passions
for the podcast is givingChristian women permission to
not be perfect, and I love theway she worded it.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Because I'm clearly not.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Clearly she's talking about the Lord's Prayer a few
episodes ago and then sayingshit in the same sentence and
not like we're promoting Right.
But I feel like in Christianity, something that's always like
been hard for me is my parentsnever tried to be perfect and I
loved it.
But as I dove into the churchmore and wanted to get more
involved, I felt out of placebecause I wasn't perfect and

(39:53):
everyone lives and talks likeeverything's so great and I just
prayed for my husband and we'rejust great and everything's
just great and I can't be fakeNot that they're being fake, but
we've caught.
Sometimes that has happened.
So I feel like Tisha and I'sstrength is that we are
passionate Christians but we'reso okay with sharing that we
don't have it figured out and wedo it a lot, and you can have a
good marriage and still beannoyed with your husband
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Or you can have a healthy sex life with your
husband and still not be in themood, play Stabler.
Yeah, and still not be in themood one day.
And it doesn't mean you'renormal.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
It doesn't mean that you're wrong, that it's not
right.
Yeah, we feel like in a societywhere everyone's getting beat
up because we compare so much onsocial media, we hope to be a
light into the reality of thingsnot being perfect Right,
especially as women.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, and I feel like , and men Men love the podcast.
Yeah, and a realisticexpectation of like what
marriage looks like, and I feellike we both have good marriages
, so it's like I love to be ableto share the things that work,
the things that don't work, likeyou know.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And even if you don't have a good marriage and even
if, like we have a few likejerkies that have been divorced
and they love hearing thestories because they can reflect
on where things went wrong, whythey went wrong or you know,
you're right about all thosethings that maybe it wasn't
perfect and this and that, butwhy I left was so much greater
than the reasons we're saying.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, we don't have those reasons.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like there's reasons to leave.
We're not saying that's nottrue.
I have friends that have beendivorced and they are better
people because they're divorcedand they become and it was God's
plan in in so many ways, likethere's things that come from
that, and so I feel like it'sjust relatable to the like what
you are doing right and what youdid right in the past, like it
wasn't workable.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
It wasn't healthy.
Well, if I would have marriedany of the boyfriends Me too it
wouldn't have been right.
We would have wouldn't havelost it.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I know I did talk a lot of crap about my
ex-boyfriends.
I do feel bad.
They probably aren't aroundanymore because they've been mad
than last season.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Really, I mean not the strangers on TikTok, but the
real See.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I got in a lot of trouble this season.
Secret Lives of Mormon Wivesreally got me in trouble.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh yeah, and they're coming out with a new season.
I think I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
No, Did you see that Blake Lively's coming out with
Simple Favor 2 after all thosevideos of her talking crap with
Anna Kendrick?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I can't.
But I saw, yeah, blake Cliveywas a big talk of the season.
That was a big one.
We did get political in thebeginning and we decided I don't
really care to talk about that,yeah, um, and then we also.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I love a conspiracy, but if it comes up naturally in
real life.
If you want to pull me aside,jerkies, we'll talk, you know
but I don't need to put it onhere.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, because we the hate mail got.
Yeah, I'm not people.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Literally, we got an email from someone and he was
like your podcast is despicable,like you guys should die.
It was like I sent a screenshotto crystal.
I'm like this is Kyle myhusband was fighting.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
He you know he got tiktok and he's fighting with
people on tiktok who are makingfun of us so funny.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Cj went on there and was fighting with people my
oldest, it's cute but Paigeorboand Craig, their breakup was
legendary.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That was like season three.
I can't get enough of thebreakup.
I'm obsessed with Paige DeSorbo.
Yeah, literally that's mypodcast idol.
Yeah, even though I talk crap,I said her and Craig were going
to break up for years.
Yeah, yeah, I said he wasn't.
That's my only thing.
I know I'm wonderful Ever meetthem.
I feel like we will really likeyeah, let's say it here Now.
I feel like God lays things onyour heart for a reason and I'm

(43:10):
not giving up until we're on astage.
I picture it, maybe like we'vealways talked about, like being
on certain things, like it'sgoing to happen, and I really
want to write a book, yeah,about all the weird things.
Yeah, anyone, I don't knowwhich one, not where they're
gonna make me be Illuminati oranything you know, because I

(43:33):
would like to also sell outRadio City Music Hall, but I'm
like to get in there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
You might have to do something yeah, I'm not
interested in selling my soulcommitted suicide.
Yeah, as we're not talkingabout conspiracy, I know, but
come on and like right before.
She's all I.
I am very happy.
I am not going to commitsuicide If something happens to
me it's scary.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, are you saying that here now?
Well, did you see a?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
bus hit her right before yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But it didn't work.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's so yeah, yeah, could be not so big, because I
do think I don't like Hudson.
My daughter's a redhead andtall and long, very different
body than her mother, and peopletell me all the time she's
Shemado and I'm like, eh, thatworld is something I don't want
to dabble in.
No, so like in order to get bigif we have to go there, we just
don't really care about gettingbigger.
That's another thing we learned, yes, this season that we don't

(44:22):
really care about being thebiggest podcast.
No, god has a plan.
We just hope that our listenersand we have like a good chunk
that are loyal.
That's all we care about islike relating with women.
We don't really care to be nameand lights.
That was my whole thing withwork too.
I think I've really learned.
That's not the biggest thing,yeah, yeah, but I feel like
we've learned a lot.
Yeah, tisha, I feel like you'veopened up more this season.

(44:45):
Last season, I mean, you didget weird about Justin Bieber
after that whole scandal.
Yeah, you did get.
Like.
You know, our good friend saidthat Tisha's being edited.
You could tell like you were.
But I feel like you've openedup more about like telling Ben
shut.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
The F up was one of my favorite things too, because
when I was listening to thatstory, I'm like I feel that Like
sometimes I just one of hisfriends texted him and was like
my wife told me about this andhe's like, and my husband was
cause he doesn't listen, I don'tlisten, he doesn't listen.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
He was like did you say that on the?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
podcast, how you told me to shut the F up, and I was
like, yeah, he wasn't mad,though.
And he was like why?
And I was like, well, well,it's relatable, yeah, and I it
wasn't.
I was just saying I was annoyedwith you and like he knows me
enough and he's very secure.
That's one thing I love abouthim.
He's like very secure and hemakes me more secure because he
is.
Yeah, he's like when I wasstressed when everyone was
saying he was gonna leave me,because I said I didn't want to

(45:41):
sleep with him every minute, andI said sometimes I play dead um
, and I was like upset because Iwas getting so much hate on
TikTok, and so I I like playedthe clip for him and I'm like
this is so upsetting and he waslike who cares?
You know, we have a goodmarriage who cares about even
things.
So like his support is like heis the most supportive husband.
I will say that about him.
Oh, he really is.

(46:02):
I've never met a moresupportive person of anything I
do.
I'm like so, so I'm going to goand, you know, do the weirdest
thing.
And he's like great, yeah,you're amazing, he's so
supportive.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Again, though, having one person believe in you can
change everything.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
He believes in me 100% and he's so supportive, so
he is very okay with me sharingthings, like I think, as long as
I don't like say something towhich I'm like Does he know
about the Chick-fil-A?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
when you said I don't know how much more can I say.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's like I don't think I could say anything more.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I know Kyle really is an avid listener, so I just get
in trouble when I think I talkabout he's like I got ripped
today.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, but Kyle likes things more private, though I
feel like no yeah.
No, he's like me, he saysthings.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He says it all Like it's so embarrassing.
I feel like if Ben listened hemight not like it.
He had some beverages thisweekend he's so funny when he
drinks and Maddie's friend wasover and he went in there and he
laid on the bed with them andhe was like, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
And he's, like your mom, a good time calling Ben
come to the casino.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
So he was telling me to go to the casino and I was
like, no, we should go though.
Oh, we've got things to do Iknow.
Yeah, that's the thing I'm gonnawork on being less gambler, but
let's go.
Yeah, she became a gambler thisseason and then I am not
anymore.
But we really thank you guysfor listening.
Thank Melissa, who's with We'llshare a picture with her as
well.
She's been super positive forus.
She's a really strong womanthat we admire really a lot.

(47:31):
She does big things in her life.
So, Melissa, we thank you somuch for everything.
Tyler, who is our producer HiDaddy, this is his studio.
He was really, really helpful.
He believed in us from theget-go.
He's he has really helped uslean into who we are.
I think that really helped uslike be more ourselves.
His studio is amazing.
His staff is amazing.
They deal with our crazy.
We've gotten crazy many times.
Yeah, he's so supportive of us.

(47:52):
Dana, who got us started welove her.
We're so thankful for her.
She's still always supportingus on the side, does stuff for
our business.
We love her.
We're obsessed with Dana andAll of you guys who meet us in
person or message us like sharethe podcast.
It really helps us keep going.
Tisha's still here and we'recoming back.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Season four no, like they don't understand, we send
each other screenshots of it.
And like it's so nice All themessages, because you feel
stupid, like we feel stupid attimes, Like what are we doing?
No one cares what we have tosay.
No, it's like I want to quitevery day and then like the

(48:30):
messages, or even just like anylittle encouraging thing is so
nice, it goes so far.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
But lean in this summer, go on a trip like if I
could tell people like I justthink this trip's with your
family?
no, I'm just kidding, no we justtalked to someone this morning.
They said Kyle and I weretalking about it this morning
and you know I am big DaveRamsey, big debt free.
I lean into that.
But there we have a family.
That's good, that's puttingsome things on the credit card
to go on a trip and it's likeKyle's like.
But sometimes you just have toand like to save your marriage

(48:55):
or to save your life or to saveyour livelihood.
It's so important that in thislife that we work so hard out,
we're getting beaten up everyday.
It's so important that you goand enjoy whatever it is.
Go on a hike like go say youknow, camping, just go do
something you enjoy, even if itdoesn't make sense, if you don't
have the money, you don't havethe time off.
Find a way to make that happen.
I so believe that's the secret.

(49:17):
To like sanity.
Even Melissa does yoga, hotyoga, every morning.
I just think sometimes we don'tmake those things enough of a
priority.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well, the day-to-day gets so mundane.
It's so important, especiallywith your like, life can change
at any moment.
So with your kids and yourhusband you never know Take the
trip, take the trip.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Even going to Guatemala last year was one of
my favorite things I've everdone.
Just take the trip.
Whatever it is, do it.
Do the thing that scares you,and we're going to have lives
next year.
That's our biggest thing.
Season four is going to bebetter than ever.
We're going to play on it.
We're going to grow on our breakthat helps us, like, evolve and
listen to what God's calling isfor us, but we'll be back in
August and we can't wait to tellyou about what happens from

(49:56):
here to then.
Thanks for listening.
Welcome to jerking around apodcast that makes you feel
better about yourself, becausewe're a mess just like you, and
crystal makes fun of me, andit's great and it's real.