S3 E6: Celebrity Politics, Family Chaos, and the Evolution of Love

Have you ever wondered how pop stars sway political landscapes or how celebrity relationships mirror fictional tales?

Join us on "Jerking Around" as we stumble into these discussions and more, starting with the hilarity of accidental matching outfits and our podcast's rebranding blunder. We humorously unpack how big names in music and politics intersect, question the authenticity of celebrity influence, and even compare it to "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo." With laughter and curiosity, we dig into the economic struggles often sidelined in political campaigns, exploring the real impact on everyday life.

As the conversation shifts to family life, we open up about the joyful chaos of parenting and family planning. From heartwarming tales of adoption to the unexpected twists of vasectomy reversals, we bare our souls on the emotional highs and lows of expanding a family. Society's pressures and the desire for more children weave through our dialogue, underscored by anecdotal reflections on marital decision-making and the funny yet heartwarming messiness of raising kids: parenting styles, bedtime antics, and the deep desire to nurture add layers to our storytelling.

Relationships take center stage in our final segments, where we tackle the nuances of dating, love, and the evolution of relationships. Personal stories from friends and family paint a vivid picture of how initial impressions can transform into lasting bonds. We wade through modern dating terminology like "situationships" and share wisdom on self-respect and emotional clarity in partnerships. Reflecting on past and present love stories, we highlight the unexpected paths relationships can take, proving that love often blooms where least expected and emphasizing the value of genuine connections.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Jerking Around, a podcast that makes you
feel better about yourself,because we're a mess just like
you, and Crystal makes fun of methe whole time and it's great
and it's real.
Welcome to Jerking Around.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Today we talk about Tesla robot Body count New term.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I've never heard of it.
Body count's serious Girlsthese days.
You gotta keep it down.
That's how many people you'vebeen with.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Crystal's body count's over 100.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
We're just really.
I was upsetting to learn thatno and make sure you go for the
guy that's more into you thanyou are to him.
Yeah, okay, jerking around, ohmy gosh.
The other night, um, we were atmy daughter at a birthday party
and tisha and her husband wereover and their friends were over
and he kept saying jerking offoh yeah me and my daughter are
listening to your podcast,jerking off.

(01:00):
We're dying laughing about that.
Yeah, but it's jerking around,not jerking off.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, we tried to rebrand it didn't really bother
me though when?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
well, that's telling you don't mind being called
jerking off, but it's likeyou're 20s all over again.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Forget the jerking.
I feel like that's the.
You know the kicker, thejerking um.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Tell me about your life.
What's going on?
We got these new mic things.
Tisha's really excited.
We're dressed like twins today.
If you're not watching.
It's really something.
We never dress alike and Iactually sent her my outfit
cause I had my gallbladder outlast week so I wanted something
comfortable.
And then she's like I literallyhave the same outfit on.
Yeah, I think that's prettyfunny, but in our industry it's
real estate.
It's been really dark, so we'reexcited we're seeing the market

(01:43):
pick up already.
Even if you don't love thecandidate, I do think
business-wise it's going to be agood thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think people that's what they were saying.
Economy-wise, it's going to begood for everybody, they were
saying.
They were.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
maybe the other side was a little tone deaf to how
much people were hurtingfinancially and I do agree with
that.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And if addressed at all in the campaign, where
that's all that was addressed.
In the other camp it was like,yeah, like the cost of
everything, the cost of living,no, everyone's struggling.
And I feel like it is tone deafto completely not even like,
like, let's have like a pop staron stage but not address the
fact that, like, most peoplecan't afford groceries well, and
the pop stars were horrible.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Like there's this whole thing going on about P Did
, like I'm so into it becauseit's so crazy the things that
have gone on that if P Diddy isdoing it, all of his friends are
doing it, which is all thesepeople that we've like not look
up to, but kind of a lot ofpeople look up to.
So in the middle of this wholething, we're going to have

(02:43):
Beyonce come on and JLo, and JLo, who was married to Peta.
It was so tone deaf in thatregard.
Dated yeah, there's so manymore liberals you could have had
on stage.
That would have been morebeneficial.
Yeah, but JLo I mean I'm nottaking JLo advice for much.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, that's why I said her picker is like, her
picker is so bad, it's the worstpicker ever.
So like don't pick anything.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Whatever she's picking, I'm picking the
opposite, yes, yeah, and likemarriage advice, not taking it
from J-Lo Not J-Lo.
It's like weird, is J-Lo okay,maybe?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
like skin, skin care, yeah, skin care.
I'm listening.
Whatever she eats, I'll eat itLike abs.
Listening, that's really it?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
even parenting, I wouldn't really.
Where are her kids?
I don't know?
Yeah, I wouldn't really takethat, but that's what's funny
about the celebrities talkingabout politics it's like no
matter what side you're on, theylive such a different life than
us, like with health care and,and they're not worried about
health care exactly their needsand what they have right on a
regular basis, even groceries.

(03:43):
They don't even do their owngrocery shopping.
I mean, a lot of us useInstacart now too, but it's just
different.
So when we're listening to popstars' influence on presidency,
just think it's laughable.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Or like ones that don't have a family or kids or
anything.
I'm like it's not evenrelatable to, like what's going
to affect, because I'm thinkingof what's going to affect my
kids and their kids.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And, like you know, ongoing Celebrities' kids are in
a different element.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Half of them don't.
Taylor Swift was like achildless cat lady.
I'm like that's not reallysomething.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'm striving to be, it's awful.
Yeah, have you seen that thingthat Taylor Swift and Jason
Kelsey are fake?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
They're 100% fake.
I've said it since the verybeginning.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And then their contract was leaked, remember, I
know it's crazy, yeah, butpeople have just moved on from
it.
Yeah, but you really think that?
I think it's totally fake.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Another thing, I think it's like the seventh, the
book, the seven wives of EvelynHugo.
Have you or the seven husbandsof Evelyn Hugo?
Have you read that book?
No, so in.
It's a really good book.
It's interesting.
She's like a celebrity in likethe 40s and like it was before
you could like come out.
So she was like gay, but shecouldn't be with the person she
wanted to be with, so that waslike her best friend.

(04:53):
And then she married all thesehusbands for um, like the
mustache, yes, and then.
But it was like she marriedthis one because her career was
dwindling, so then they gotmarried.
Oh, and it talks about how,like everyone fell for it was
like she married this onebecause her career was dwindling
, so then they got married.
And it talks about how, likeeveryone fell for it and like,
when she needed to like work onher image, she would marry
someone based on that.
It was all about herrelationships were all for image

(05:14):
and the whole time she was likein love with her best friend
and they were together in arelationship.
Wow, I'm like that happens allthe time.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'm just saying so who do you think?
That's happening to that youjust didn't want to talk about.
No, I'm just saying I'm like Ithink JLo's done that a bunch
and it didn't go well well, Ithink Will Smith is like gay and
that his wife was just his likebeard forever or I didn't read
that.
I heard that from somebody whoknew his son with with P Diddy.
It's awful the things they saidwent on are awful.

(05:43):
All of it, Justin Bieber.
All of it.
Yeah it's weird, but let's talkabout Kim Kardashian.
Okay, elon Musk with Trump, hasbeen a big thing, and his, the
Kennedy what's the kid's RFK?
Yeah, yeah.
And the FDA sounds superinteresting.
Yeah, but they're going to makesome big changes.
But Elon is such an intriguingperson to me, just in general.

(06:08):
I've been on his like oh, let'ssay, instagram reels.
Like him talking business, justlike Trump.
I read Trump's book years andyears ago.
Um, I actually interviewed forthe Apprentice?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I've like like Trump is a businessman for years, yeah
, and his books are so goodbusiness-wise.
But Elon's kind of the same.
I'm just intrigued by his likemind and he was doing a bunch of
talks about college and how hedoesn't want his kids going to
college.
Right, and I totally kind ofagree with that.
I don't know, I don't use mydegree, my husband doesn't use
his degree.
I do think there's something tothe four years of like not

(06:37):
growing up, you know, getting toLike be in a dorm with all your
friends, like high school parttwo, without having to be an
adult yet.
Yeah, like I don't want my kidsto start working at 18 and then
that's their life.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I think it's if you're going to get a
scholarship or you have themoney.
It's different, I think, to gointo debt for $100,000 or
$50,000 more.
Yeah, it's so bad now, like fora degree that will not get you
any farther.
It's hard to justify that.
Then you're starting off kindof like I want my kids to own
their own business.
I'm like let's start going inthat direction.
So then by the time you're 40,you're like doing good, you know

(07:13):
.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I agree.
I do want them to have more ofthe entrepreneur mindset.
It's funny because when we weregrowing up, doctors and lawyers
were the big money makers, Goto school, get all this, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
And now it's not.
It's like go be a plumber andhave your own plumbing company
and you'll be yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I agree.
But Kim Kardashian let's talkabout that.
It was just on the newsyesterday it was a big thing
that she bought a robot, a Teslarobot.
Yeah, how do you feel about theTesla robot?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, I think it's so weird and creepy.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And I would not want that in my house.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I worry like could they choke you out.
Yeah, it's like that movie withWill Smith the iRobot.
Yeah, but it's funny, it's soweird that she it's like I was
telling you, she's like it'slike the gift for someone who
has everything.
Like, what do you get her?
Now she's getting a robot.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Like she literally has everything.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Think the robot's like her companion.
No, but do you think the robothas body parts like a strap?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
on.
Yeah, I think it's just to havelike I know the newest thing.
I don't want those in yourhouse.
No, no, I do.
You see what they can do yeah,do you like laundry?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I know, do you think, well, that I wouldn't mind.
Well, I have one of those.
This is Ben that's so sadthat's so rude cut cut it out.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
It's funny, it's fine .
Yeah, I'm the robot at my house.
Yeah, I had surgery last week.
You should see my house rightnow nothing's getting done.
No, kyle's trying, but myhusband but it.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
no, I called him when you got home that night and I
was like okay, I'll pick up thekids for school in the morning.
He's's like, oh, no, she's fine, she's walking around.
I'm like, oh my God, I know.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
It's so tone up.
I know he's not the mostnurturing.
I wouldn't say nurturing is astrength of his.
I'm not.
It's not a strength of mine.
Yeah, you're right, you wouldsay the same about Ben.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
He's very nurturing.
I would you would.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I'd be like, oh, let's go, you know, yeah, that's
kind of how it is.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh, yeah, I remember when he had his vasectomy and we
were going to the pumpkin patchand I had to take the kids by
myself.
It was when they were littleand I was so annoyed I'm like
you know, like I'm like put onyour jockstrap and get the hell
in the car.
Like so annoying he Like, oh mygosh, I'm not asking you to run
, I heard it's pretty painfulthough.
I'm like I'm not asking you torun a marathon.

(09:24):
Well, he got the one and thenhe got the reversal.
Wait, let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So what happened?
I feel like people pretty muchknow there's no people.
These are people that don'teven know us, true, true.
So how do they know?
Yeah, what?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
people are you talking about?
18 months apart?
16 months apart, whatever?
And then we adopted our oldestat the same time when our
youngest one was one.
Well, we started working on theadoption process when he was a
couple weeks old, so it was veryhectic and he's two years older

(09:57):
than my oldest, so it was likewe went from zero kids to three
kids in like two years less thantwo years.
So it was like a littlestressful.
So we jumped the gun, got avasectomy and then, right away,
I was like we shouldn't have gotthat, because I like knew Right
away, like soon, really, yes,like I would say so you had it

(10:17):
after Bear.
Mm-hmm, how old was Bear?
I think he was like I think wewere on a break.
Yeah, cause I don't, I wouldhave talked you out of that.
Yeah, so, yeah, it was duringthe break.
Yeah, so he got a vasectomy.
and then, like right away, Ijust had this feeling like we
shouldn't have done that.
So then, almost like soon after, like within a year, we started

(10:42):
talking about reverse.
We started or you did, Istarted planting the seed of
reversing it.
I was like, oh, I wish we hadanother kid, you know.
And then, well, especially asthings calm down, first he was
like you're nuts, but then, asthings calm down, you know, you
find your groove with all thekids.

(11:02):
Then he was like, oh, yeah, Icould see another one.
And then I started doing allthe research and then I found
this place in Tucson and it'scalled we've told this story all
the time.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
People ask, sorry, it's called dad's again all the
time people ask are it's calleddads?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
again, it sounds like so weird, but so it's not, not
everybody does a reversal.
It's like very, yes, it's.
It's like microscopic surgery,so it's like so specialized.
So we found this, this doctorin tucson that specializes.
People come from all over theworld to see this doctor.
Yeah, because I was back inyour life when you got the
reversal.
So we talked about it for Ithink two years before he
finally did it Like it was soslow.

(11:36):
Yes, cause bear was like yeah,three by the time we started
talking about it and then ittook a year to get it and then a
year to get pregnant.
So, yeah, he literally was likeso we called this place dads
again.
And Ben was like this seemsweird.
And it's like we had to drive.
That sounds so weird, we had todrive to Tucson, stay in a

(11:56):
hotel and then he had to go inthe morning to this place and it
was crazy.
Who watched the kids, did I?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I did, you did, I did , yeah, yeah for Dads.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Again, yeah, dads, again.
But then you get invited tothis like party every year,
where it's all the dads again.
That, like if it was successful, you get to come and have this
like Father's Day party and it'scrazy.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
But what if it didn't work?
You don't get to go to theparty, no, yeah, no, but it's so
.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
basically they explained it for anyone
wondering, because I actuallyhave had people reach out to me
on Instagram about it.
So the the the sooner that youget the surgery to the initial
vasectomy, the higher chance ofit being successful.
So the longer time that you'vebeen have the vasectomy, the
less chance.
So, like Ben, had only been acouple of years, so there was a
really good chance that it wasgoing to work.
But they said the the high, thelongest one they had done was

(12:49):
20 years post vasectomy.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Who's having a kid 20 years later.
Probably some like old guy Didhe get to go to the party?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yes, yes, I kind of want to go to the party now.
We never went.
Cause you know, I'm like, I'mantisocial, I'm like that's my
worst nightmare Talk to a bunchof strangers, but, um, yeah,
they do.
Like a father's day, do youbring your?
I don't know, I don't know, butit's this.
But if you want moreinformation, if you want a
reversal, dad's again.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
OK, so Ben got the reversal Dad's again.
Then tell what happened.
It took how long.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It took about six months and I got pregnant, but
then I had a miscarriage andthen after that.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Talking about that.
That, though, this isinteresting.
Yeah, so you're unemotional,yes, um, and she doesn't get
bothered by much, but thatmiscarriage did mess with you
more than you thought.
Yeah, I don't know if it washormones or if it was mental
harder than you because you, yes, might be the type that'd be
like, yeah, move on.
Yeah, when you went through it,you thought this was harder.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I think, when you have a miscarriage, well, I
had like guilt about getting thereversal because I had this
thing where, like I felt like wealready had so much that I was
being like selfish about wantingmore To be a dad again, yes, to
be a dad again and I was likeis, I had like an inner battle

(14:10):
with like yes, I never knew that.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
No, because I don't talk.
Well, did you feel like youwere playing God with tying it
up and tying it?

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, and I felt like something bad was going to
happen or like we were going tohave like a child with a
disability Not that that'sthere's anything wrong with that
, but that is a fear.
I was like pushing the envelope.
Like we have three healthy kids.
Are you like wanting too much?
And then, like someone talkedto me I don't even remember who
it was, maybe it was you andthey were like a child is a

(14:37):
blessing from God.
Like wanting more of those islike a good thing, like I think
it's society.
Gets in your head too, thatit's selfish.
Yes, it's like the farthestthing it was, and I felt, felt
selfish wanting more kids, and Ithink it was too, and you were
like this is a blessing from God, like it's like the greatest

(14:57):
gift you can get, like yeah, andso that changed my mind.
I was like okay, because I keptlike having this like weird
thing, thinking something badwas gonna happen.
And then when I miscarried, Iwas like that was it.
It.
I wasn't meant to be.
So it was funny because we werebuying our new house and we
sold our five bedroom.
We were buying a four bedroom.
I truly like was like I'm atpeace.

(15:17):
You were upset though.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh, I was so upset Because it took six months to
get pregnant, because, a lot ofpeople deal with that and I
never had a problem gettingpregnant before.
A lot of people deal with that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And you never had a miscarriage before.
No, because that's very common.
I was younger, and then I wasolder and then it's just like
well it's geriatric, yes, butyou're so excited and then yeah,
when you it's not there.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I can't imagine people that go through like 15
of those right, it's awful, oreven like three.
Yeah, well, you're like youattach right away.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I feel like yeah, and I think your body like goes
through so much too, like youstart like feeling like you're
you know you you're gainingweight, or your boobs or so I
don't know.
You just have so many like um,like physical and emotional
things, like it doesn't happenfor the guy right away, but like
right away for the girl.
You feel it in your body, yeah.
So then to like have that goaway, it was just really weird.

(16:06):
So yeah, I did.
I feel like I was upset aboutthat.
Right, you were you were.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You were way more upset than you thought you would
get very emotional about itReally, yeah, and you're like
it's the hormones, I'm like well, and it's like sad and I think
at that time it took like sixmonths.
You were so excited it happened.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
And then, when it didn't, I think you were I felt
like I just so then I let go ofit and then we got pregnant.
How well, the birds and thebees were having this talk.
When a man loves a woman no,you, you sold your house oh yeah
we moved on.
Well, yeah, so we sold ourhouse, we bought a four bedroom
and then we, when we werebuilding it, we found out we

(16:49):
were pregnant.
And then you know, but I wasworried, the whole time.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't remember.
When you found building it, wefound out we were pregnant and
then you know, but I was worriedthe whole time.
I don't remember.
When you found out, I know wewere in New York and you were
partying hard.
Yeah, I wasn't doing like harddrugs.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
It sounds like you were smoking crack in New York
and you found out you'repregnant.
I had those people.
Yeah, I had a couple drinks.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
That was a great trip , though it was so fun.
I know I want to go back, yeah,and I had a couple drinks, no,
so we all go to dinner party andyou were, though I was like
we're ready for bed, and her andour other friend, jen, wanted
to go to the clubs like I'm agood time.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I wish I would have gone now.
Really, yeah, we were like 40,yeah, and we were like gonna go
paint the town in new york.
You know how old were you whenyou had fox?
Oh, and we were like going togo paint the town in New York.
You know how old were you whenyou had Fox?
Oh, no, we were like 37.
Oh, because it was geriatric.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, I had him at 38 or nine.
Yeah, yeah Anyways.
So how did we get?
That was fun.
No Wait, you want to go outright now, kind of.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
What's in here?
You're pregnant, cause I kepthaving to pee and I was like I'm
not pregnant.
And then I got home and I waspregnant and you were excited.
Yeah, yeah, I was a littlefreaked out.
Yeah, I don't remember.
Cause I was scared because Iwas like, oh, am I going to have
this again?
Or like, what if it'ssomething's wrong with it?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I was just like I felt a lot of guilt until he was
here and everything was good,and then yeah, you said, though
I think, having a kid, I had allmy kids close together, so it
was like a blur, Um, they justkept happening.
Right, they're like 16 and 21months.
But I did see with Fox, causehe is, and it is weird that her
kids names if you don't knowwhere it does it is weird Fox

(18:27):
and bear, but I'm so used to it.
But people are probablywondering if that's real.
Those are really her names.
Yeah, and then her daughter'sname is coda.
No rabbit.
Yeah, kennedy, I was gonna saysomething inappropriate and then
go ahead no, no, no, um aboutme.
No, just like an appropriatejoke, but I tamed it no um,

(18:48):
anyways, but like I do think,when you wait a while and you
get older, when you first havekids, you're all worried about
everything.
I read that baby wise book.
It was the worst thing, and thenyou were reading it, so I was
reading it, but Maddie is likesuper type a and I always wonder
if it was because I, like, hadher on such a schedule and like,
yeah, but I just felt like withMaddie I I read baby wise,
which means you put your kidsdown at this time, the sleep

(19:10):
training book, yeah, you makethem go to sleep awake, you let
them cry it out, youda-da-da-da-da, and Maddie's
very routine, and she did sleepthrough the night at three
months, which was great, but Ididn't enjoy.
Yeah, I felt like I was likesuch a disciplinary that I
didn't enjoy like having a babyas much, yeah.
And then with Hudson, she wasjust a real bad baby.

(19:32):
She was so bad so she was theboss.
She's still spicy, she's sospicy.
She came out like that.
My mom and I were just talkingabout it.
She cried all the time, mymother-in-law being as loving as
she has told me.
Man, crystal, I've never seen amore unhappy baby and as like a
new mom you feel really goodabout yourself.
I like I'm killing it.
And then Broxton was a surpriseafter that, yeah, and I feel

(19:53):
like then I just let all thewheels go and there was no
structure and I enjoyed Broxtonso much, but he's still the same
, like, yeah, whatever, but Inever enjoyed a kid as much as
Fox.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
It was like every.
Even now he'll climb on my lapin the mornings and I just smell
his hair.
It sounds a little creeper likea little like joe biden again
vibes yeah, I'm a mom again.
Yeah, no, but it's like I.
Just I'm so concerned every no,but like his baby smell.

(20:26):
Like you know, he's inkindergarten.
Shut the hell up.
Like you're picturing this,guys, I, he's in kindergarten,
shut the hell up.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like you're picturing this, guys.
I do no, he's in kindergarten,no it's just like something
every moment that.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I've had him is such a blessing and I look at it and
I'm like I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's so it's so funny because Ben really didn't want
another one.
She's telling this story aboutdads again like Ben was on board
.
It want another one.
She's telling this story aboutdads again like Ben was on board
.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
It was not.
He was like a hard no.
He's always a hard no A while Ialways get my way.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, that's encouraging for those of you out
there that maybe don't yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
But no, if you're not getting your way, I feel bad
for you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
But you have like a good way to go about it.
It's not like a fight, it'slike more of a manipulation
Totally.
I know, yeah, like it startsoff like I am kind of a master
manipulator.
Yeah, like you drop the hints,then you're loving, then you
pray about it, then you let itthink it's his idea.
Yeah, like I can picture it all.
A lot of incentives, you know.
But Ben didn't really.
Ben was like if we could saywound tight, yeah, for like the

(21:25):
other kids, one and very likedisciplinary and with fox.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I feel like he really enjoys him too.
He's whacked with fox.
Yeah, he's like so whacked withhim.
He lets him stay up later thanbear.
Yeah, what happened last night?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
yeah, what so?
Bear had to go to bed.
Bears in set sixth grade, yeah,so I heard, I was on the phone
with her and and I hear hertalking to fox.
You get to stay up later thanand I'm like what's going?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
on over there.
Yeah, because bears in Bear'sin bed and Ben and him are out.
Fox are out there watching TV.
Why?
Because he's obsessed with him.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I don't know it's weird, but why did Bear have to
go to bed?

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't know, don't you?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
think Bear's a little pissed.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean I would be, Because I think Bear gets on his
nerves, so he's really crazy.
Bear, if you're listening, I'msorry.
Oh, I love Bear, he's the best.

(22:19):
No, but yeah, you reallyenjoyed that whole pregnancy and
the baby.
The baby is so like.
I recommend anyone, anyonewho's like worried about a gap
don't be worried about a gap.
It's amazing.
It's a six year gap and it'sperfect.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, I feel like it was completely different, even
with us, with Fox, like Foxdidn't.
It's so funny because I seemoms now and I want to tell them
all the things that, like ourmoms and mother-in-laws wanted
to tell us that we were soannoyed about.
And I did that with him becauseI knew I didn't stress about
anything.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I didn't stress about holding him all the time or
having him sleep or any of thoseweird things.
Feeding, timing, waking himDidn't time anything, fed on
demand.
It was just like I did whateverand he just had to go along
with the ride because we were atlike older kids, games and all
this stuff.
He's the easiest baby he's nowto this day.
He's so good with the flow.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I think that's kind of where we mess up.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Where Bear it's like oh.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I had the.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Aeron 72, the sound machine, this, and it's like now
everything has to be perfectfor the others and like, or
they're so like.
Yeah, I almost think we ruin itbecause we make it like the
kids.
And I will say that aboutMaddie she's not very flexible,
you know no, but I Thank you,she's screwed up.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's my like that.
Yes, it's like, if thingsaren't that way, her feathers
are ruffled.
That's how Ben is.
That's how my other kids are.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, it's like in Fox and I think we think we're
doing a good job as a parent.
But I was thinking about it theother day.
Oh, my sister-in-law had a babythis weekend and she doesn't
really listen.
But my kid, she adopted two, soit's her.
She had twins, then she adoptedthe two and then she had

(23:55):
another baby and then now thisis her next baby.
But, like, she's a great mom,really good with the newborn and
everything.
But when we were at the hospital, my mother-in-law woke all her
kids and took them to the soccergame Whereas her mom was on her
way there.
So she would rather the babiesjust sleep.
Yeah, and she was like talkingto me and she was like, well,
they're naps.
And I was thinking, oh, Iforget about all that.
Yeah, but Bonnie, mymother-in-law, she's a really
good mom and she never.
Her kids are a part of her life.

(24:16):
Yeah, like, and I would alwaysget bothered when she would
babysit.
I'd be like the nap and thethis, and she'd be like they're
fine, and I would be so annoyedI'm like, no, they're not fine,
they're gonna be naughty.
Yeah, because they're not.
And and I wish I would havelistened to her.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, you think the world's going?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
to end if you don't have the schedule and they will
fall asleep.
Yeah, they will fall asleep andthey will do things, but like
when we're like with me, maddieand you were like that with Ken
and Bear, we would get home forthe nap and we would get home
for the bedtime, but it's liketeaching kids that they're the
center of the universe insteadof teaching kids that you're a
part of our life.
Right, if I were to tell newmoms, I would say go on vacation

(24:51):
without your kid, like everyyear, even when they're little.
Right, and I would say makethem a part of your life.
Don't rearrange your day forthem.
Right, cause kids are soself-centered these days.
Totally.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Really, and then you are struggling more when you're
trying to cater.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I think that's why people get depressed.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, Cause you're.
You're rearranging your wholelife for this baby and like, if
they just kind of more fit intoyour it's just so much easier.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and, I think, a lot of postpartum.
So I was on bed rest with mytwo girls and with Maddie.
I'm a real busy body.
I like to stay real busy.
I run around Even this week.
I called Tisha last night.
I all whacked out because I wasin bed a lot yesterday because
of the surgery.
I was in bed a lot yesterdaybecause of the surgery.
I don't do well like layingdown, but so I went from
teaching and being at the schoollike 12, 14 hours a day and

(25:36):
loving it to all of a suddenbeing in bed for three months.
I couldn't even I could go tothe bathroom and that was it.
I couldn't really do anythingand I really like it was such a
gut check for me on who I am,Cause a lot of people maybe are
friends with me because of mypersonality Like I'm fun and I
plan fun things and I do thesefun things.
But then on bed rest it'sreally interesting who like

(25:56):
shows up Right, Like I didn'tsee Tisha for three months.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's so rude.
No, why don't you tell them whowas the big helper?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
this weekend we joke, I must have told her that she's
not a good helper.
Yeah, and I feel very bad aboutit.
And I'm such a good helper.
So this weekend she went andgot the Chick-fil-A for me.
She helped me shop around.
Maddie's birthday I got thecookies.
We had a 15th birthday.
It was like a party.
The cops got called.
It was getting weird, were youthere when the cops got called.
Yeah, that's when I was leaving.
I was all sorry.
Anyways, moving on, so I was inbed.

(26:27):
So when I had Maddie baby blues, I actually get like a high.
When I have a kid, it's likethe opposite.
I don't know if it's like achallenge and like it's all this
love and I get like theopposite.
I get like this is fun.
Yeah, I love the challenge ofit.
And with Hudson too, I was onbedrest.
So all of a sudden I get to goout to eat and I'm not staying
home with it Like some people.

(26:47):
Courtney did the home for30ourtney Kardashian did the
stay home for 30 days.
I think that's so weird.
The kids need to like theirgerms, they need to like go.
So when we had kids, we finallygot to get out.
It was like no more bed rest,let's go.
So I really think that helpedme not get depressed.
I find that people that getlike, you know, postpartum,

(27:08):
they're used to having their ownlife and then all of a sudden,
it's all about this little thingand your body changes so much.
Right, like your boobs aresagging, your stomach's all
wrecked, and then it's aboutthis little thing.
I just think it's like so muchmore that change about.
It's about them rather than me,but also don't rearrange your
whole life for them.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And you'll get depressed.
No, but have the baby with youall the time.
Yeah, no, but have the babywith you all the time.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, just go out.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, I didn't leave them Go to lunch.
They cry, do things that makeyou feel good, but be with the
baby.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, we were at a cheer competition a few weeks
ago or a showcase, with our teamand one of the coaches there
I've known her since college andshe was walking around with the
baby I think she just had ababy and it was like a and the
baby's at the cheer competition.
She has this shoulder, herwhole team, the baby's on the
hip, and I thought, oh my gosh,when I had a baby, maddie was
one at a cheer competition, butlike Kyle had to bring her, I

(27:58):
couldn't have her.
She's all fourth kid, this isno problem.
Yeah, and I'm like that kid'sgoing to be so adaptable Totally
, because she's like and it wason her hip, I, I think it was
sleeping, yeah, but it was liketurned out, yeah, and she didn't
even know.
Yeah, and it's so funny.
My mother-in-law used to saythey'll sleep when they, if
they're tired, they'll fallasleep, and I'm like, no, they
need the sound machine, theyneed all these things.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
If I were to go back, and even now Fox falls asleep
anywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
He's just like so, baby.
And she said it was hard towake.
I don't know why we wake themin the mall the night, because
when my mother-in-law had kids,oh, I never did that, you didn't
, no, they just woke up on theirown oh, I had to wake all mine
to feed them because their birthweight dropped so much.
Oh, because we yeah we theywere little or babies.
I'm like why my mother-in-lawwas always like never wake a
sleeping no god, god, oh, mygosh.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I wish I would have known you were doing this.
I would have been like what are?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
you doing?
Moving on from postpartum?
Yeah, let's go back to theTesla.
So there's talk that, like Kimis really into Elon because she
has a Tesla truck oh, is there?
No, he's married with kids.
He's married.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
He's not married?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yes, he is.
Have you seen his wife?
Oh yeah, he's remarried.
He had the other wife.
He's had a few he has kids withlike six different people.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
The one Grimes, or whatever that girl Is that who
he's married to?
I don't know, because.
I heard they just bought ahouse.
For he just bought them a houseor something.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Have you seen that Amazon?
What's that guy's name?
Bezos?
He's planning the wedding rightnow, Like this beautiful winter
wedding to a new girl.
Yeah, did you hear that story?
No, he was married 26 years.
Did you see Hugh Jackman?
I know I loved Hugh Jackman.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And I loved that he was with his wife of so long.
I know it's wrong, I know.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
And then he cheated with a co-star, I know, and he
lasted so long, I know I know itmade me like him so much less,
I know, but if you're in thatenvironment so long you're going
to cheat, I know.
But back to Benzos, bezos,bezos.
Have you seen the picture?
I love the picture of when hehas like Amazon hanging and it's
like on a cloth, so she stayedwith him while he built his

(30:04):
whole business Right and thenwhen he's a trillionaire.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So when you're famous on jerking around, are you
going to ditch me?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's why we don't want to be famous and that's why
we have a pod daddy.
Not everyone does.
Yeah, he'll keep us grounded.
Yeah, exactly, but it's true,you let the fame and all that
stuff like ruin you, right, andit won't happen to us.
No, we're not going to let thefame get to us.
No, I'm really big intovisualization.
I read this book it was thebest book like manifesting.
No, not fully manifesting,because it's with god.
Yeah, like you pray like the man, but I think a lot of times

(30:33):
people don't believe enough,right, so it's like not like
manifesting.
But there is something to likesetting a goal and like
believing it, and like whenyou're gonna lose weight, you
always see yourself as a skinnyperson.
Yes, that's one of my biggeststruggles is I've always seen
myself as um a fuller person.
I'm trying to be not negative,yeah, but like I don't see

(30:56):
myself as that anymore and youdon't realize you are what you
see, you are.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
No, it's weird because I was doing pictures for
Maddie's birthday post andthere's some pictures where I
was like, oh wow, I was lookingnot, but you always acted like
and thought you were.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
And you I see pictures of you all the time
like that.
Yeah, that's why I'm like youlook better than you've ever
looked and you're beatingyourself up Really.
Yeah, oh, I feel like Becauseyou have dysmorphia.
Yeah, I do, but I'm gonna workon that.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
But I have, like I'm trying not to care about
wrinkles because I readsomewhere that like it was the
coolest thing.
It's like about the laugh linesaround your eyes, and it was
like.
I can't remember what it was, Igotta try and find it but it
was like signs of like a happylife.
Oh, that's cool, I know.
And then it like changed mymind about the wrinkles.
I'm glad because I worry aboutaging so much I do.

(31:42):
But I was just thinking aboutthese wrinkles right here and
how I was like I got to dosomething about those.
I never had to worry aboutthose, for now I see them in
every picture.
And then I read that thing andI was like, oh my gosh, it was
so like.
It was like that is the sign oflike a half of like a happy
life well lived, or something.
And it was so like it hit me.
You know, when you readsomething it just hits you.
I agree and I was very big intothe natural aging he's like it's

(32:04):
a part of like life well, whenI see, this is what I understand
when girls get all the Botoxand the fillers like I get Botox
in my forehead but I'm tryingnot to get it I feel like it
looks good.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You haven't had it for a while.
I only get it every six months.
Is it the Focacia or whatever?
The, the Washa?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Washa.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I've read mixed things on that.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
But yeah, oh wait, and it's just like have you
tried it?
Yeah, I do it every day almost,but I don't know if it's
helping.
But anyways, do you still dothat vagina one?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, the lips.
Would you do it if it kept youyounger and tighter down there
it's tight enough, but it droopsa little.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, a little it's fine.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, it doesn't, you haven't even.
We're going to need, like, a,like a go ahead, though.
Um what?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
was I saying.
No the washout the.
Botox the wrinkle lines.
You're happy.
You're not going to worry aboutaging as much.
You're going to work on yourdysmorphia.
Dang it.
Why did you do that?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
It'll come back.
It always does.
Yeah, no, it was somethingabout that.
But yeah, no, I just think Iwas like, oh, I'm going to like,
oh, that was what it was.
The girls.
They get all the botox andfillers and I get botox.
I'm not judging, and I'm notjudging fillers either, but I do
think it's a.
It's a slippery slope and mostpeople that have it all you look
older.
I agree, because young peoplearen't full of fillers.

(33:31):
Yeah, so you're giving awayyour age when your face looks
like this oh, 100, I think itlooks not good.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Almost all always like when I think it starts like
a dysmorph percent, I think itlooks not good.
Almost all always like when Ithink, it starts like a
dysmorphia, like you think it'slike the beginning is fine and
then you go too far.
My mom looks amazing and she'snever done a lot of.
She only started doing Botox afew years ago.
She looks amazing.
She's always done like thepeels and the and the moisture.
That's why I started doing themoisture, my mom doesn't do.

(33:56):
She looks so young, she's 76.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
She looks unbelievable, unbelievable.
Yeah, even Ben's mom is reallyso pretty and she doesn't do all
that stuff.
She doesn't do Botox, no, oh,she looks so young Not at all,
and she has gray hair.
Yeah, and I think she looksadorable.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Like every time I see her.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I'm like she's adorable and she's very natural
and I think it's better than thefrozen face.
I mean, I like the frozen facetoo, but it's hard, like whose
face?
Like our Botox lady.
She's fully frozen.
I know you like that.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I don't think she looks good.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, she looks like she's trying to look frozen.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
So who with a frozen face do you look at and go?
I want to look like her, JLo.
I don't think she does all that, though do you she has to.
She looks so.
Don't think she does all that,though, Do you she has to?
She looks so young.
I think it's all like themoisturizing and, well, you know
the other things that they do.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, that are really bad, the adrenochrome.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Oh God, let's move on .
Beef it out.
Beef it out.
I saw this is a.
We're all over the have anoutline pod daddy, yeah we've
gone away from it a little, butI did see my niece get born,
born.
Uh, my sister-in-law had a babyon sunday, saturday, and it was
the coolest thing I've everseen in my life.

(35:08):
I've never I had c-section.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So I only put when you're delivering you don't,
because I've watched it and I'vegiven birth.
It's not the same.
It was the coolest, mostbeautiful thing I've ever seen.
Yes, were you crying?
And the vagina is crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's not the same.
It was the coolest, mostbeautiful thing I've ever seen.
Yes, were you crying?
And the vagina is crazy, crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Were you crying?
It's like an animal, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
When it came out, oh yeah, like bawling, bawling, and
my family's not very emotional,so I was the only one crying.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You were the only one crying, troy probably, yeah, um
see, I'm not emotional but Icried, but I was probably
emotional back then.
I saw CJ.
I saw CJ get born.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, that's so cool too.
That's her son that she adopted.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
But um, I've delivered vaginally, and it's
not the same.
And then your vaginal delivery,though, was traumatic, though,
right, but when you're doing it,you're not watching it.
Oh, it is watching the vagina,though.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
How it's crazy how big it is.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, and it's like when the head's down there, the
whole vagina is like protruded.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
It doesn't look like a vagina.
No, it looked like a vagina formost of it.
For me it was so but it's big.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
It didn't like see she had a lot of pushing, so it
was like the.
It was open for a long time seemy sister-in-law's wasn't.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
It was like nothing, something and over.
Yeah, it was crazy, oh yeah no.
So I didn't see it get very.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Hers was a traumatic birth type thing too, where it
was like nothing something andover yeah, it was crazy, oh yeah
, no, so I didn't see it getvery.
Hers was a traumatic birth typething too, where it was stuck,
so it was open, so you could seehow big that I'm like that's
crazy, that, oh so it was sofast.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
When the baby came out, oh yeah, but the head was
out first and it was all likemangled and bonnie, my
mother-in-law, was like I don'tthink this baby's okay, because
the veins were all yeah and Iwas all oh gosh, and it's just
the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's like if you, I obviously believe in god, but if
you didn't believe in god andyou saw that I feel like you'd
believe in god, it's the mostlike.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's like a miracle like you can't describe it and
they did this thing that wedidn't do.
It's so funny.
We've been in medicine foryears and years but like they
did the delayed clamping of theumbilical cord, yeah, it was so
crazy.
So the umbilical cord, it's solike giving.
Oh, yeah, it's so thick, likeshe was.
Like the hospital they deliverat is very natural, yeah, so she

(37:14):
was teaching, like us, and shewas like, see how thick it is,
yeah, and we waited for it toshovel down.
It was so, so cool, yeah, howthe body works.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
It was really amazing .

Speaker 1 (37:23):
But we're going to go into going off topic.
We do kind of plan what we talkabout nowadays and I, um, and
I've been all over the placetoday because I did have surgery
and I'm not going to lie, I didtake something today, so it
might be a little.
Yeah, she was like I was allTisha, I don't feel great, so I
took a pain pill today, so itcould be a little weird.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
She was laying down in the car on the way here.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I was like so if I'm all over the place, you know.
We're just, let's be honest,yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
But anyways, we though, but we were talking
about married from Tinder andthey're very happy.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
We like to talk about dating a lot Not that we've
killed it, but I do feel like wewere so confused and then we
figured it out and met ourhusband, cause I think we've
killed it because I feel like wewere lost and then now we did
really good, like the Bible,yeah, so Like we're on the other
side.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So listen to my advice.
Yes, yes, and we've helped ourfriends get to the other side.
Well, even at the party we weretalking to some of the high
school girls, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
My daughter's birthday party this weekend
likes a big party.
Yeah, she's every year whereshe gets it from.
You know, every year it's justthe bash.
Yes, with no alcohol.
It was great.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
No, it was so fun anyways, there was all the high
school girls.
There was older girls therebecause she's on the cheer team,
so there was like 17 year old,16 year old.
So we were talking to some ofthem about dating the one girl
we were talking to.
We were telling her her, thisguy's been jerking her for years
.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
She's the most adorable girl on the planet.
Christian Obsessed with her, socute, and they've been talking.
So they dated for a year andthen they've been talking.
I'm still mad about it.
I'm still mad about it tooTalking.
This is the new thing.
The talking Did we talk aboutthis?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, the talking.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
So they say it's texting, then it's not exclusive
.
There's situationships thathappen.
Who is doing this?
Well, she's in a situationship.
We decided yeah, because it'smore than talking, but not a
relationship these are just allterms for a guy jerking you
around, yeah.
Jerking around yeah, these areterms for jerking you around and
you're acting like it'ssomething because you want it so

(39:33):
bad.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
so how long talking do you think is appropriate?
Five minutes, so stupid Like.
Have some respect, you know,wait, so let's okay, so, really.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
So if Kennedy meets a guy yeah, two weeks, and they
go from nothing to talking andit's like a decision to go to
talking, yes, so you go totalking two weeks.
Two weeks, do you think it'sgood?
Yes, what about three weeks?
Three weeks is fine.
What's the longest?
You should be talking, notlonger than a month.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I kind of agree If you need more than a month, like
my grandparents got married inthree weeks.
They met and got married inthree weeks and they were
married till he died for 50years.
That's so cool.
They were my parents gotmarried super fast too they were
18 and 17.
And I think it's unbelievable.
But, and they were like in loveat the end the whole time.
No, like great marriage.

(40:17):
Yeah, and I think you didn't,they didn't need all that time.
I know, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And then they made a choice to stay married when it
got hard yeah, I agree, kyle andI only dated for five months
and it was funny because somemonths for me, you told me Tisha
was dating an idiot when we gotengaged.
So it's like a mirror into yourrelationship.
Yeah, so she was mad at me notmad, but like you, like you're
like.
You're just still in thehoneymoon phase.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It's going to get worse.
Well, because it made meself-reflect and I was like, oh
Because you had been with himtwo years and it wasn't, and I
was all.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
if you don't marry, me like what an idiot, you know,
I know you shouldn't have to dothat.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
And I two months.
If you have to put, like a, aultimatum.
Yes, I'm not saying that it'snot I, I would say probably 90,
it's not.
I'm sure there's some that gavethe ultimatum and they're
happily married friends that arestill married.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
They gave the ultimatum and it's fine.
Yes, it's great, totally no, Iknow.
For her, though, it's funnyseeing dating through like your
daughter's eyes or your son'seyes.
It's different, you know, andyou, you get like sucked into
the things too, like I gotsucked in, like I, you know, I
really liked the kid, you know,and I I'm so mad about it.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Still, I know I'm so protective of Maddie.
I think she's just the greatestthing since sliced bread.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
She's such a good person.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, she's such a good girl.
She's like she just is thetotal package and I am just
raging about.
So the talking didn't go well.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
It did not go well.
They talked for two months.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
He was jerking her around.
He was jerking her around andhe was jerking other girls
around too, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
And then in the talking, is that cheating?
I don't know.
Yeah, the jury's out.
Kyle says it's not because youweren't official.
Yeah, like I think it is,because you're in a talking.
I think you should be talkingto one person, but why then do
you go to talking torelationship?
What's the difference?
Nothing, yeah, the guys justmake these things up.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's made up to exactly it's made up to.
Still, you know fill it out.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I agree, I think you should know sooner.
But it's hard to like explainthese things because you want
them to learn by going throughit themselves.
But it took me the things thatI had to go through to learn.
I don't want her to go throughall that Because I do think you
get like relationship baggageRight when you go through.
Like like Tisha and I bothdated guys that were drug
dealers.

(42:29):
I was just telling thecheerleaders this I dated two
drug dealers Like that's reallyweird, and Ben stopped selling
years ago.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
But how many?
No, not Ben, but how manypeople deal drugs, like that's
weird.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, I know Mine was like a big time dealer, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
It's just strange, because I didn't know there was
that many drug dealers in theworld Me neither.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, In Peoria too.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, it was like.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, it's not like we church with me every Sunday
and be like, yeah, yeah, I don'tknow who listens to this stuff.
I had no idea mine was a drugdealer.
We get along great.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
He had like a really nice car and we were like in our
20s and like a nice house.
And now that I'm looking, I'mlike and he didn't a drug dealer
.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
My boyfriend had such a nice car too.
Yeah, like, what an idiot.
What an idiot, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
But I don't want Kennedy to date drug dealers.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like you're better than that.
What would you do?
Would you step in?
Yes, how.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You're not talk to him, you'll never drive my
mother was like marry the onedrug dealer, and I was like this
is weird.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
No, she was like have a baby, yeah, she was skipping
marriage.
She was like come to ourChristmas party, shut up, that
was a dig, moving on anyways.
So then we were talking abouttinder and some of our friends.
So we're telling my daughternow it's like my two moms we
talk on speaker and we both talkto her.
I know, do you?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
think she hates me.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
No, she loves you and she listens.
She totally listens and I lovelike all my exes I'm still
friends with them all the drugdealer and all I don't you know
we're and that's where she getsmad at me.
I'm sometimes too forgivingsometimes, but I our last
podcast we talked about lovingeveryone.
So I'm trying to love everyone.
So she's really implementingthat.
I'm implementing that.
I really liked you know hisfamily and everything, but so

(44:30):
now maddie has other options andwe're trying to teach her.
Sometimes it's better to go fora guy that's more into you than
you're into him.
Yes, and she's like not gettingit because the one guy was like
the guy and the guy and and thenew guy is more the guy to me.
Yes, so there's a newer guy andI'm so into the new guy, yes,
and so he's into her.

(44:51):
She's like I don't know, youknow, and we're like, no, it's
so much better, both of us.
I feel like Kyle was more intome than I was to him.
I feel like Ben was more intome.
Yes, and some of our friends,the healthier relationships.
Yes, like our friend Jamie andAaron.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, oh, it's like he was so Our friend.
The Tinder.
She was dating this other guyand he was jerking her and she
went crazy, she keyed his car.
Wait, tell the story.
Oh, she was dating this guy andhe would like Our friend.
Yes, they met on Tinder andthen they would like hook up and
he would only call her at nightand it was like super unhealthy
.
And then something happened Ithink I can't remember the exact

(45:25):
story, but she was at his house, he kicked her out so she took
a rock and scratched his car.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I think she wrote something, but anyways, then how
do you kick someone out of yourhouse?
Too Did they do it, and then hekicked her out, I think so yes,
oh, it made you feel like crap,oh, like awful.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
And he was like messing with her mind.
Yeah and so she, yes and so she, and then, like she's not even
crazy, and she did that and like, well, I guess she is crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
She's a good time.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, the new guy.
And then he was so into her andI remember her calling me.
I vividly remember I was atarrowhead mall and she called me
and she's like, and she hadbeen calling me telling me this
guy's so annoying and he wantsto go to sedona and like all
this stuff.
She's like god, he planned thistrip to sedona.
He's so boring and he wasobsessed with her and she was
like, oh, he's obsessed with meand like he's so dumb and like
god, he's like calling me allthe time.
And she was still hung up onthe other guy, the rock.

(46:20):
I'll never forget I was walkingto her and she called me.
She's like I'm in love and thisis literally probably three
weeks or maybe a month.
It just changed, it flipped,the flip, and I go what?
And she goes I'm in love.
I'm like who are you in lovewith?
She's like the guy, the onethat's been, and I go.
I thought he was annoying.
She's like, no, we went toSedona and it flipped and like I

(46:43):
remember when Kyle literallyhave goosebumps.
They're married now, happilymarried two kids, and she's like
it flipped.
I like him so much I.
She was like I mine flipped too, and he just kept loving on her
and she would dick him aroundso bad she was like she would
blow him off.
She was rude to him.
She's like I was mean, like shetold me he's annoying, like it

(47:03):
was crazy and he just keptloving her.
Guys want to hunt.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And then he got her yes, yes, and they change when
you get married.
I was telling maddie last nightI'm like dad was no the other
so nice and like so about me andwhen you're dating they should
be overly nice, because when youget married they're not that
nice no, they're not that niceand they have an opinion he's
gonna be on everything now and Iwas like phew, I hit him with

(47:29):
the pillow, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Oh, he's so rude god jerk.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
yeah, yeah, ben was telling on her to me in the
background.
I don't he tells on me.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's stupid.
Well, because Ben and I are thesame.
Well, because we were laying inbed and he had just come home
from hunting.
His ranger broke down.
He had to walk like six milesin the dark and you didn't feel
bad for him, no, and he got homeat midnight I'm Midnight.
Well, I forgot to get milkbecause he makes our lattes in
the morning.
So when I woke up in themorning I remembered I forgot to
get milk.
And we had like take the kidsand I go shoot, I forgot to get

(48:03):
milk.
I'll go run to Starbucks, orI'll go run get milk right now,
or I'll go to a wall and get uscoffee.
And then he's like being such ajerk and he's like how could
you forget?
Like what are you doing?
And jerk, and I was like god,you're just a jerk.
And I just like took the pillowand I hit him as hard as I
could in the face and then hewas so mad at me all day.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I can't believe he hit me with a pillow.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah as hard as I could too.
You know, like I wound up andlike like I would have, like,
was he close to you?
Yes, like I got out of bed andgrabbed my pillow and just did
as hard as I could right in theface and he was laying there and
he was all like, and I was likeI'm going you jerk.
You know he's being so mean.
I know that he was so nice whenwe were dating.
Oh, kyle too the nicest, oh mygosh, I always am like you were

(48:48):
so easy going.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
When you're dating.
They're gonna be like 10 timesa jerk you up.
Yes, yeah, and the beginning isthe best part.
So if the beginning isn't goodfor like year at least it's
gonna suck.
So bad, oh, so bad.
So you've got to go for the guythat's more into you than you
are to him.
Yes, give it a chance, becauseI remember I thought kyle was
like, oh, and then we would goout this other night and he was
with all of his friends and hewas the life of the party and it

(49:11):
flipped.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yes, and then it would flip back.
What your daughter was sayingis I don't think he's that fun.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yes, and I was like Ben wasn't that fun.
Yeah, Kyle, doesn't seem thatfun until you get to know him.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
We were dating and I remember it was something and I
was like we were dating, we weregoing to go hang out and we
were going to go like go todinner or do something, and then
one of my friends called Ithink it was you or Jen,
probably, and something happenedand you were sad and I was like
, hey, let's go pick up a cakeand go take it to my friend's
house.
And he was like, well, we saidwe were going to dinner and I

(49:43):
was like, and I was so annoyedwith him and I was like ew, and
I had the ick.
I was like ew, he's boring,like, and he wouldn't do this on
a whim.
And I was like, ugh, not fun.
Like I'm the girl that's gonnachange my plans and go do
something fun.
And I was like, and he wasn'tthere for my friends.

(50:04):
I was like all mad, you know,yeah, I would be so mad.
Oh, I was so mad, I had to liketell him about it.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And then he was like, sorry, you know yeah, it's so
funny, but you really got tofind the values, the values, who
they are is so much moreimportant and how they treat you
.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, yeah, so go for the guy that's more into you.
So I'm telling her so the flip.
But then it flipped with Ben,so she's got to push through.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So we'll see if this flips.
We'll keep you guys posted onmy freshman daughter's dating
relationship.
She's going to love this, butit helps.
Helps somebody.
Somebody might be going throughit.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
And they more into this, or I'm well my my aunts,
and then we'll be done.
My aunts came in town fromRhode Island last year.
What my aunts?
Why are you saying aunts?
Because that's what they say.
Just like when you go to NewJersey and you start talking
about the Italian accent andyou're from here, happens my
aunt, my aunt Donna and my auntDiane aunts.
Oh, anyways, they were talkingabout their daughter, my cousin,
and she was saying, yeah, shebroke up with this guy and he

(51:03):
was so nice, but she didn't feelit and she's like, and she said
I bet she's gonna look back oneday and be like he was the one.
And sometimes we just got toget out of our head and like, if
a guy's so into you, give him achance.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
There's a oh, you're so right, though, because you
think people always say that,like I didn't have it, have it,
I didn't feel it.
I'm like I didn't feel it withKyle for like a month, and we
didn't kiss for a long time, andthen, when we kissed and I like
respected him, it's like thebest, like, like you said, you
had to change your pants.
Yeah, and I did like it was thebest because you like respect

(51:35):
them and you're like feel safewith them.
It's Kyle and I is likechemistry is better than anyone,
but it took a minute.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, and I think, like the guy, that the chemistry
was so like there in thebeginning it fades, and when
you're married, that is gone.
No and no, so that's what'skeeping you there, that goes
away.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
That's why you shouldn't have sex, though,
until you're married or untilyou're in a really far end,
because the sex like sometimesyou can have good I mean I
didn't do this, me neither butyou can have good sex with
someone and it'd be a horriblerelationship, yeah, like a.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I mean I didn't do it like Crystal had good sex with
like 30 people and then itwasn't good no, I waited till I
was married.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
But I've heard that people can have good sex.
But that's why, like with Kyle,I wasn't doing Because I was
like I don't want it to maskwhat our real relationship is.
And once a girl has sex, theyconnect and then you can't think
clearly anymore.
So it's better to not do thosethings.
So you can walk when you wantto walk and girls care about
upping their number.
It's called body count.
Now, yeah, kendall's told methat term this weekend.

(52:44):
They said she has a body countand I was like what the hell is
that?
It's like murder count, I know.
I was like did someone killsomebody?
Like no, it's how many people?
Oh, you don't want a high bodycount.
Girls.
Keep that thing low.
Oh no, because then it'll sagwell, and it's just like guys
care about that.
Oh, they so care.
They want the one that has azero body count, that hasn't
been touched.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, that's what they want.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Oh, that's sad, I know, so don't do it Like the
guy that I'm learning all thesenew terms.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I can't believe it.
It's just Body count.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I know Body count Mm-hmm.
Oh my God, Make sure he's moreinto you than you.