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Gina Marie Rodriguez (00:03):
This is
Gina Marie Rodriguez and you're
listening to the Jersey ArtsPodcast.
Today's guest needs nointroduction, but I suppose I
can give you an idea of whatshe's been up to lately.
I grew up rocking out toclassics like Come to my Window
and I'm the Only One Just sayingthem.
Now it's hard to refrain fromsinging, but don't worry, I
won't torture you like that.
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Grammy award-winning MelissaEtheridge has been a household
name for the last 30 years, butmost recently she has released a
new album titled I'm Not Broken, and executive produced a
docuseries of the same name.
The album and the series wererecorded live at the Topeka
Correctional Facility in Kansasas an ode to the strength and
perseverance of women.
Etheridge isn't the firstsinger-songwriter to perform at
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a prison, but this album is ingood company with the likes of
BB King's Live in Cook CountyJail and Johnny Cash at Folsom
Prison.
As a matter of fact, it wasanother Johnny Cash performance
in her hometown at theLeavenworth Federal Penitentiary
when Etheridge was just nineyears old, that would one day
become the seed of inspiration.
In advance of Etheridge's 2025tour and upcoming performance at
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NJPAC, I was able to steal afew moments of the icon's time
to talk to her about my favoritesong off of her latest album
called A Burning Woman.
We talked about the progress ofthe LGBTQ community, the
resilience of women and themessage behind her music.
Take a moment to share in myexcitement as I chat with the
Melissa Etheridge.
Melissa Etheridge (01:33):
It goes like
this you just repeat after me
okay, I'm a burning woman.
Audience (01:48):
I'm a burning woman.
I'm not broken.
I'm not broken, I'm a burningwoman.
I'm a burning woman.
I am worth it.
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I might have f***ed things up.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (02:31):
I wanted
to share something with you
first, just because I get sonervous before pretty much all
of my interviews and I considerit like the deference that I pay
to artists greater than myself.
But in order to combat thosenerves, I was listening to your
song Burning Woman over and over, like I can't actually tell you
how many times probably toomany Obsessed, full-blown
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obsessed with it.
It's one of the best songs Ithink I've ever heard and it
amps like nothing else.
So thank you for writing it.
Melissa Etheridge (02:59):
Nice, nice,
and it's fun that that's a live
version and you can heareverybody when they first hear
it and just how yeah.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (03:07):
Yes,
that's I mean.
The call and response is likeone of the best parts of it,
because it's just so empoweringto hear other women shout those
words.
Melissa Etheridge (03:16):
And that's
why I wrote it is.
I wanted to have women inprison shouting I'm not broken,
I'm worth it, I can do this.
Yeah, oh, thank you.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (03:29):
Of course,
I did want to talk about that,
because I know that the song wasinspired by or in response to,
letters from the women at theTopeka Correctional Facility.
So I'm wondering how did thecorrespondence between you and
the inmates start?
Was it?
Was it with the idea of liveconcert in mind, or yeah?
Melissa Etheridge (03:48):
it.
It began with, uh, we spent alot of time, uh, communicating
with the Kansas prison systemsand and really working on it.
And then, uh, it was kind ofduring the pandemic, at the very
end of the pandemic, we, weknew we couldn't go shoot there
yet, but the film crew, the um,shark pig, who's the production
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crew, they, they really set up.
They said, look, we'vecontacted the prison.
Uh, they've picked these womenthat they that's okay to
communicate with and they juststarted, you know, sending
sending letters and and it was,oh, it was so incredible.
They were so very open and, youknow, if you saw the
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documentary, it's, it's, it'sreally inspiring the way they
were.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (04:36):
Yeah, I I
mean I don't want to say I'm
fascinated by it, that's not theright word.
I'm.
I'm interested in theexperiences of people unlike
myself, so that's why I'm drawnto documentaries like that.
But there was something thatyou had said in another
interview and I'm going toparaphrase.
It was the idea ofrehabilitation over castigation.
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So I'm wondering how, this newexperience of working with the
women at the Kansas Women'sPenitentiary, how has it
affected either your view of theAmerican prison system or the
American notion that punishmentsomehow equates change?
Melissa Etheridge (05:16):
Yeah, yeah,
that's the first thing that
really stood out to me was howso many of these women what they
have in common is earlychildhood trauma you know their
parents were drug addicts abusejust the hardship that they come
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from.
And then these women make thesechoices you know they, they
find they, they try to find asafe relationship.
But it's usually, you know they, they they're not sure you know
, and and they get involved indrug abuse.
And the, the warden told methat you know 98% of the women
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that were there are therebecause they did something for a
man or to a man or you know,but it all had to do with either
in response to you know, theirown safety, or you know they
were helping drug things.
And it's just the their feelingof they have no other choice
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and to kind of get out of thiscycle.
And you know, then they get intoprison.
And I had one of the women fromthe movie say look, I'm
fortunate that I was arrested inKansas so I could grow and be a
better mother now for mychildren.
And you know there is so muchrehabilitation that can happen.
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And this prison, tcf, thewarden and everyone there they
care so much I was so impressedwith how they really do.
They said the minute a newresident they don't even call
them inmates a resident comes in, they're trying their best to
get them out and rehabilitatedas soon as they can.
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You know, rehabilitated and out.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (07:11):
I think
that's fantastic, because it's
certainly not something you hearvery often.
Melissa Etheridge (07:14):
No, no, no,
it's not.
There's a real problem.
There's a real push.
You know the privatization andkind of money making off of this
, which is so sad, and you knowit's states really need help in
their state systems that theyhave and there's so much good
that can come of it that canbenefit the community so much.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (07:37):
Absolutely
.
When you said 98% were in theprison system because of a man,
I think that's, or you know,something that had to do, that's
.
That number was way too high.
Melissa Etheridge (07:51):
Yeah, yeah,
there's hardly any that are just
in there because they're justmessed up evil people that have
gone on a killing spree orsomething that that doesn't
really.
That's not.
That's not a thing.
It's.
It's.
It's the drug, it's the tryingto get the drugs or selling the
drugs or committing the crime todo for the drugs.
That's what it all is.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (08:12):
But it
really speaks to the need for
feminism all over the world, butespecially in this country
right now.
And I mean, you're a feministicon and you are an LGBTQ icon
and all of those things are inand of itself empowering because
you are an LGBTQ icon and allof those things are in and of
itself empowering because youare speaking words to power, and
that's what I love about musicthat your art is helping other
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people cope with.
I mean, what is essentially aboot on their neck right now.
Right, there are so many people, whether it's women or the
non-binary, or so many differentcommunities, who are struggling
.
There is a question in theresomewhere.
You're like me.
Melissa Etheridge (08:53):
I'm like wait
.
What was I answering?
Gina Marie Rodriguez (08:55):
What was I
talking about?
I think my question was, asmuch as I hate using this phrase
, that we're living inunprecedented times.
It does feel as though we'reliving in unprecedented times,
unprecedented times.
It does feel as though we'reliving in unprecedented times.
So how does this ever evolvingpolitical landscape really
affect the way you approach yourart, the way you approach your
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music?
Melissa Etheridge (09:20):
Ah, I've
lived long enough now to see I
hate when I say this, but I haveI am in the elder or the older,
wiser, lesbian, the owl I'm anowl yeah, that's the term in our
community that I have seen.
I know what it's like to comefrom a world that didn't even
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say gay and lesbian.
It wasn't even.
We were invisible, we did notexist.
And I have seen that changecome.
I've seen the strength andpower of community and everyone
coming together and the thingswe did in the 80s and 90s and
for the past 40 years.
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The change that we have broughtabout is is being pushed back
on.
There's a lot of fear and thingsthat people don't understand,
and religious, you know, fearthat is now up and out in the
world because we're up and outand so you know, it seems like
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it's darker, but it's onlybecause we have made these
strides that we're getting thispushback.
So if that's any consolation,it just means that, no, we're
not going anywhere Now.
People are just dealing withdifferences in the world, and
that's what makes the worldworth living is that you get to
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choose your path.
You get to choose.
We're not all supposed to beone way.
That's just not it.
It's not.
We're not all supposed to beone way.
That's just not it.
So now it is.
It's just how do we learn towalk side by side with those who
are afraid of us and don'tunderstand?
And I always say, you know,being loving is the key.
Just love yourself, love eachother and love the person that
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doesn't understand and hope thatthey will lose that fear that
they have, that it can besoftened.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (11:28):
I love
that outlook and I think it
speaks to that, saying two stepsforward, one step back.
You're still moving forward,yeah absolutely.
Melissa Etheridge (11:36):
I have seen
us and we're not going.
There's no going back.
You can't put me in Chapel Roanand Ru going back.
You can't put me in chapel roanand you know, rupaul.
You can't put us back in a box.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (11:44):
This is
not gonna happen nor do most of
us want that to happen.
No, not at all I love that, butI'm also really excited.
We talked so much about the,the film, but I I want to talk
about your upcoming performancein newark, because you know this
is a podcast about jersey, so Ihave to talk about newark.
Uh, you're going to beperforming with Joss Stone, who,
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I mean, you had an epic Grammyperformance with years and years
and years ago and you've workedtogether since, but I'm
wondering what spurred this mostrecent collaboration.
Melissa Etheridge (12:14):
Well, I'm
always looking for, you know,
someone I can join in theexperience of playing and such.
But Joss is such a great bluessinger and her career she's been
doing fine, but she's such agreat live performer and just
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putting the two of us together Ithink is really going to be a
great show because it's the samekind of music lovers, music,
absolutely I together.
I think is is really reallygoing to be a great show because
it's it's the same kind of youknow, music lovers, music.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (12:45):
Absolutely
.
I mean, I'm amped.
Like I said, I've beenlistening to your music for
quite a while now, so I am veryamped Awesome.
Is there anything that you'relooking forward to about your
tour in general?
What do you love about touring?
Melissa Etheridge (13:02):
It's my life,
it's my love.
People don't understand it.
They're like why you're justit's.
My children understand it, myfamily, everybody understands.
All right, april's coming,mom's getting them back on the
road and I got to come back andforth, but they come out and see
me.
They, they're 18 now, so they,they really don't.
You know, they're not missingme so much, but it's, it's what
we do and it's what makes mehappy and I constantly grow and
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get better and I love it.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (13:24):
I think
that's fantastic, and having the
support of a loving family isreally pivotal to being able to
create wonderful art.
So I just wanted to thank youfor everything that you've put
out into the world, everythingthat you are continuing to put
out into the world.
I am a huge fan.
Melissa Etheridge (13:46):
I know the
people listening are huge fans,
so I'm looking forward to seeingyou in Newark.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (13:48):
Well,
thank you, and there's great
things coming in the next coupleof years.
Melissa Etheridge (13:49):
So, oh, yeah,
I cannot wait.
Yes, all right, thank you verymuch, and I'll see you in New
Jersey.
Gina Marie Rodriguez (13:53):
Well,
there you have it.
She will see you in Jersey.
Melissa Etheridge will bemaking a stop in Newark for her
tour 2025 at the New JerseyPerforming Arts Center on April
24th at 7.30 pm.
For tickets and moreinformation, be sure to visit
njpacorg.
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The show was co-founded by andcurrently supported by funds
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This episode was hosted, editedand produced by me, Gina Marie
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Rodriguez.
Executive producers are JimAtkinson and Isaac Serna Diez,
and my thanks, of course, toMelissa Etheridge for speaking
with me today.
I'm Gina Marie Rodriguez forthe Jersey Arts Podcast.
Thanks for listening.