Bandicoots, Jail Porn, and Special K

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying on a
run of dim street light,laughing through the written
reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts, tales from the force
gone astray, caught up in thegames they play.
High speed chases gone awry.
Serious turns into pie in thesky.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Just out of jurisdiction Left during the
conviction We'll see you nexttime.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
You should be all right.
I've got a complex over as longas you're, as long as you don't
smack a table, don't?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Heavy breathing.
Well.
I got shamed by a federal judgeone time because of that.
Oh really, I've got a complexyeah.
Was there a COVID, we had thosemasks.
Oh yeah, I was testifying.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
I guess I was too far back.
We can hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, you need to get a little closer.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Of course I got right in the mic.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
If you can hear yourself, you're good.
I noticed.
In the last one with Josh I waskind of like I'll turn and talk
to him so it wouldn't hit orI'd be back.
But I also had the flu.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
These are fairly multi-directional, so they'll
catch.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Josh for giving you the flu.
Flu, oh, has he got the flu now?
No, but I'm just sure I'malways spreading disease, you
are, you are patient zero I have.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I have given a lot of people covid and whatnot.
So whatever, covid, covid, theclap.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, no, alright, let's do this.
Alright, guys, we're back withanother good episode for you.
We got one I've been waiting onfor a while now.
I've got plenty of stories withthis guy, plenty of stories

(02:01):
that we probably can't telleither.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
There's a lot, a lot of stories do we probably can't
tell either.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
There's a lot, yeah, there's a lot, a lot of stories.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Do we have the beep out button on names and stuff
we're not redacting?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
anything that's for losers.
Exactly.
This guy's probably one of thebest supervisors I ever worked
with as far as policing goes,got a lot of respect for him.
He definitely matched myleadership style.
As far as how that goes, Ilearned a lot from him, good and

(02:35):
bad.
Probably, without further ado,we've got Jake Borman here with
us, jacob.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I know that he's only been mad at you once.
He called me.
I'm going to kill him.
I'm going to kill him.
Which time was that?
That's the timing.
The only one time he called meand I was like I don't know,
I'll come talk to him.
I think he got a suspensionover that one.
Not bringing up bad times.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, secretly, I was laughing about that.
It was yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You mean my vacation, your vacation.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's what I told him.
It's going to be a vacation forthat guy.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
You will have that on those big jobs.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Whatever it takes, no man sorry.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Sorry to bring up bad times.
I don't think it was a bad timefor him no, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was a good time off.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I'll start this by Jake.
I guess on night shift you rodewith me as your training
officer for a little bit and thefunny thing is he was so quiet,
we'd just just driving aroundbe like I'm going to let him
lead this conversation.
He did not.
I was like we get back there tothe building.

(03:56):
I'd be like he talk to you.
I was like no, I said I don'tthink he likes me, he's mute,
he's mute.
I don't think he liked me, butthat's beside the point.
He just didn't have a lot tosay until he got to know you.
And then you're like man, thisguy hush.
No, I'm just kidding.
I get that a lot.
Doug Thomas was like man, didhe talk?

(04:17):
I was like no really, but I waslike he does his job.
I was like he does his job heknows what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, I think Doug slept half the time when I rode
with him.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
That's true, he didn't have anything and I was
not like that.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I would just stay awake, he would sleep.
I could see that.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Until I touched the radio.
Yeah, don't leave it.
Coast to coast.
Oh yeah, Don't touch the coastIf I tried to turn something
else.
Pow, pow.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well, the thing about .

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Coast to Coast is it was.
You know, at Doug's age he waspretty, he was a huge still is,
I'm sure loved rock, like newrock stuff.
He was a big Lincoln Park guy.
You remember that.
And before, when they werestill touring back in the day,

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when what's his name was stillwith him, we talked about going
down to like new orleans ortampa or somewhere and watching
them.
But I thought you like lincolnpark because I mean that was
like our, that was like mymarine corps or my army days
song when they first come outand we jammed to that one when
we was in Belgium doing theLord's work over there.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Fighting terror.
Fighting terror in Belgium.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Molested sandbags had a rough go there.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
It was a tough tour Dang.
Moroccans would come after you.
They had us scared to deaththat the Moroccans, because I
guess apparently Moroccans wereafter you.
They had us scared to deaththat the Moroccans, because I
guess apparently Moroccans were,I don't know.
Some were, I guess, muslim orwhatever, but I guess they had
more street gangs.
So we went up to Brussels andwhen we got back these people

(06:01):
that were stationed at thislittle place were, like the MPs,
come up and said, did you haveany interactions with the
Moroccans?
We were like what?
This is not Morocco.
So apparently they were badpeople.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You deployed with Daryl Zanuck.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Oh yeah, that was the greatest.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
You saw plenty of combat then.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Me and him gotten the greatest.
I don't know if he'll come on,but I'll tell you this one right
quick.
He was just anxious ready.
He was a ticking time bomb whenwe got closer to the end.
Best description of him, yeah.
Especially the longer we gotthere.

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If you come in drunk acting afool, he'd tell you one night.
I told these guys the nightbefore, so y'all better keep it
down.
I said we're gonna fight and umthey came in slamming lockers
and carrying on and Alan Harriswas up there trying to get them
calmed down.
I didn't see Alan Harrisbecause I was getting up.

(07:13):
I was like, oh gosh, I wasputting on my.
I was like I better not putflip-flops on my shower shoes.
I was like I better put on myGoFasters, Lace them up, Lace
them up.
I was like you going I said,yeah, he's hang on, he starts
getting ready.
I was like, oh no, he kickedthe door on that.
I thought it came off thehinges.
He came in there like a SWATteam and started snatching

(07:35):
people.
I was like I just I wasn't sureI was going to go that route,
but here we go.
It was two on four, maybe five,and he was cleaning that place
up.
I don't doubt it.
So when we come back, we comeback into the room, we lay back
down and they're over theretalking about it.

(07:56):
You could hear them talking.
They're sniffling and crying.
A bunch of jerks.
I have more respect for themtoday.
Shut up, we're coming back over.
Yes, sir.
It was classy.
There's more of Belgium stories.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then he went over there and peed in their boots.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
We did have a phantom pisser.
I don't know who it was.
There were several.
When I first joined theNational Guard, my first thing I
ever did with them was over atFort Knox and I get over there.
I'm getting in my rack Finally,because it was late.

(08:40):
I get over there and here comesthis guy in.
He just starts peeing all overmy rucksack, man.
So I get up, I'm like what areyou doing?
And he was just dead asleep.
So I mean there is a ghost thatpossesses these people to make
them pee all over everybody.
So I've had that problem.
See, I've been possessed bythis thing.

(09:01):
It's got you.
There was more people peeing inthe corners of places.
I thought what is?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
wrong with this place ?
Was it you that knew the guythat his parents were in the
circus, or something?

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh yeah, he had night terrors.
Oh my gosh, that's the scariest.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's probably the funniest story.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
I've ever heard?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, I've not heard this one, oh man.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
So we're down, we're getting ready to deploy to scary
Belgium.
You know the front lines.
The world terror.
You know what?
We didn't even go 9-11 justhappened.
Did you get that GWAT badge?
9-11 had just happened in 2000.

(09:47):
We get deployed December of2001 and we ship out on January
2002.
So we're down at Fort Stewart,Georgia.
You ever been down there?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I've never been to Fort Stewart.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's just outside Savannah Nice area to Fort
Stewart.
No, it's just, you know it'soutside Savannah Nice area but
it is just trash.
It's trash.
I mean, it's what you think ofa military base and what they
put us in these old World War IIbarracks.
They were open squad bay, whichis fine.
That was like.
You know, when I was in MarineCorps boot camp, that was kind
of the same setup.
Yeah, they had bathrooms thatyou was sitting in, like toilets

(10:28):
, and the sinks where you brushyour teeth and do were maybe
three feet in front of that.
So you'd be sitting on thetoilet what's up?
Open, open toilets and sitthere with your buddy like hey,
pass that paper over here Pulledmy hand over it Looked down,
bare butt naked right in frontof you brushing their teeth.
You're like staring at theirbutt holes and stuff.

(10:50):
It was a great time.
It was just weird.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's where the guy at MAPS got his start, I don't
know.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Still traumatized from that.
It was awful, this was awful,anyway, one night, all right.
So we did our at there, whichis whatever that means.
In the summer we went to fortstewart annual training and I
went on that trip and there wasthis wild looking, look like um,

(11:21):
the bandicoot or whatever.
Um, um, it's all like thehedgehog type looking thing.
There was some kind ofbandicoot yeah, that's what we
named it, the bandicoot.
We didn't know what it was.
Was it a badger?
I don't know.
Man, it could have been a shapeshifter, I don't know.
Skim one, anyway, we saw thatthing.

(11:43):
And there's alligators, I don'tknow.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Skid marker, skid marker, anyway we saw that thing
and there's alligators.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Everywhere down there , there's bandicoots and
craziness, right.
So we're having to sleep andit's January, but we still had
to sleep with them, doors open,because you had all these people
in there and they're allsnoring there and we'd been
training all day and this guyand his parents were I in the
circus.
I think you're right about thatand, anyway, I didn't forget

(12:09):
this story.
We're in there, it's likemidnight, we trained all day,
whatever, and this guy rose outof it.
He starts screaming in thenight and, I swear to you, there
was like three different voicescoming out of it.
I mean, he starts screaming inthe night, and it was.
I swear to you, man, there waslike three different voices
coming out of this guy.
I said it's got him.

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The devil is in there, this guy,the bandicoot the bandicoot got
him.
The phantom pisser got him andjust whatever's in the water
down there in Fort Stewart.
And I'm telling you he's ah, oh,and our sergeant was in there.

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He was in his ranger tab.
He did a ranger roll out ofthat bed.
He's like what's going on?
And you couldn't hear a peep.
There's 70 people in thisbarracks and you couldn't hear a
peep.
There's 70 people in thisbarracks and you don't hear
nothing.
But but the one sergeant tryingto get him like what are you?
What's wrong?
Because he was like staying onthe bottom bunk.
So he's freaking out.
What, what is it?

(13:16):
And and I'm laying, nobody'smoved.
Five minutes goes by Darrell's.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
He's right in the rack next to me.
He said Travis, I don't saynothing, I just pull my blanket
up over my head.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
He's like he said Travis.
Finally, he's like I said whatand he said what was that I said
?
I don't know, but if you layreal still, maybe you could go
by Scared me to death and hestayed.
And when we got to Belgium hewas in the room right across
from me.
He tried to.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
he pulled a spoon on me one time he's going to shank
you with a spoon.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, he was mad, he'd been I don't know somebody
ate his food and we was justlike go to bed, bud, we got it,
we'll replace it or something.
We was in there We'd play, rookand drink margaritas, trading
for combat Weird combo.
But anyway, he comes up fromdownstairs and he's I don't know

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.
He's like who's got my who atethis?
And we're like man, just go tobed, we got it.
And he turns around.
He pulls his spoon up like he's.
I was like you're going tospoon with me?
What is going on?
So I don't know, he was great,he's actually a really good guy,
but he's.
It was funny.
It was funny times now, butthat bandicoot got a hold of

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that guy and it scared me todeath.
I didn't know if I was.
The blankets saved you.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Huh, those blankets saved you.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Heck yeah, they're magical, it never bothers.
But after that all 70 guys gotup and went to the head in there
.
What was it called Latrine inthe Army?
It was peyote.
I was like what in the world isgoing on?
I was scared to peyote.
Every one of us I don't knowgroup up and we had to wait long

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.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's all open.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
There's nothing more humbling than the Army, Am I
right?
Like boot camp, like I was inthe Marines and it was all open
showers.
They do inspections like that.
You get over a lot of stuffreal quick.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You get real used to full frontal nudity real quick.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
You're like wow impressive, made me feel bad
about myself.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
This is my rifle, this is my gun that is a bazooka
brother.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Face the corner over here.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I just got out of the pool.
It's cold out guys, oh my gosh,they would send up.
I remember in the Marines youknow it was hot when I first got
down there and they would turnon those those sprinkler things,
those misters that you'd cooldown under.
That was nice.
But then they would sendadvanced party.
The road guards would go in andturn on all the showers.

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Some of them would turn on hot,some of them would straight
cold.
They called it PT showers.
So you undressed and you justgrabbed your towel, and you know
.
So you just walked under andgot the salt, you know the sweat
off of you just a circle andcame in there and got dressed in
with chow.
It's crazy.
Very clean.

(16:36):
Yes, it's a wonder that I, whenI, when I got staffing station,
about lost my foot down there.
I, I can't believe it I don'tunderstand why.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I can't see why .

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Are you sure you weren't?
In prison.
I don't think I was.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Here's the only Marine class to go through
Guantanamo.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It was crazy man.
I don't know if I've told manymilitary stories in here, but I
had some times.
I'm kind of waiting on J-Mac totalk about some stuff when he
picked me up at the airport.
I don't know.
I know you did some cool stuffand your front lines were maybe

(17:22):
a little different than mine.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, I was tricked into that.
I found out real quick when Igot to boot camp that I was
tricked Because I went to therecruiter.
I knew I was going in anywaysafter high school because I
wanted to be the funny guy inhigh school.
You know, that's how that turnsout.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
High achiever yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
But I went to the recruiter I was like I just want
to shoot guns and play withbombs.
So he pops in the VHS there andthen it's guys in ghillie suits
and doing buggies and dirtbikes and I'm like that's me
right there, sign it up.
That's me right there, so itwas like the first day in boot
camp after the shark attack.

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We're standing out there in therain and drill sergeant comes
out.
Who all's here?
Because of the recruiting video.
We all raise our hand.
He's like we haven't had thatstuff in the military since the
80s.
That's Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
You got to be kidding me.
We've got a motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I never got to see any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's a shame I got you.
I don't know how long was youin.
Four and a half years Now.
You were stationed up in Alaska, right?
Yep, that had to be cold.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
It was awful.
I think I got off the plane.
I was stationed in Fairbanks.
When I got off the plane it waslike negative 30.
Fairbanks.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
When I got off the plane it was like negative 30.
Fairbanks is above MountMcKinley.
You've got to go past it, don'tyou?
Yes, Mount McKinley is abouthalfway.
I was going to call it Denali,but Trump's changed the name
back.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's about halfway between Anchorage and Fairbanks.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, denali is, you have to fly over it through the
valley yeah, so you have to flyover it kind of through the
valley.
Yeah, it's quite a ways upthere.
My dad and mom went up thereand we almost my dad's a pastor
and he almost took a church upthere, which part they were
really close right in Fairbanks,yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
It's different.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
You know they'd talk about coming out like it'd be
like negative.
You know they'd have a negative20, whatever, and it would warm
up to like 15.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Everybody would be out in shorts and t-shirts oh
yeah, we got so used to the cold.
We got into snowboarding andthey would shut down the
mountain at negative 20.
So we would get up and checkthe weather if it was negative
19.
We got into snowboarding andthey would shut down the
mountain at negative 20 so wewould get up and check the
weather.
If it was negative 19, we'd gosnowboarding all the time.
Yeah, that was a warm day.

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See, crazy stuff like bears oranything.
No, not really, not even bears.
The most dangerous thing atfairbanks is the moose.
Yeah, and they were all overbase, so you'd be running around
and doing PT and you'd have tododge moose.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
But we had, you know I, stationed down at Pendleton
in California, san Diego County,and we had giant buffalo.
You know the buffalo free, justroaming, and all of Pendleton,
like all of California, was,like you know, wild animal

(20:29):
preserve.
So we had, you know, all the Imean why I saw a rattlesnake one
time that was probably 12 footlong, scared me.
I was like it's coming after todeath of snakes because of that
snake it was it was huge.
I was like, oh my gosh, it haslike rattles.

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And this guy stops where I was,where our little area was,
right before you went out toNaval Weapons Station.
So it was the back gate,basically it was close to main
side, but they had a big NavalWeapons Station.
So it was the back gate,basically it was close to the
main side, but they had a bigNaval Weapons Station, and this
guy stops.

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He's crossing the road.
And this guy stops.
He's like I'll get that out ofthe road.
I said you're going to die.
And that thing curled up anddid that wild.
You know how they stand up andgo inside.
I was like, oh Lord, and ourgunner.
We had chief warrant officers.
It would be like that were ourplatoon commanders.

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He's like wait, that long,we've called the animal control.
This guy comes out.
And man, he was like holy cow,I'm not seeing one that big.
I was like gosh, he gets a bigsnag.
I swear to you it was thebiggest thing as far as
snake-wise.
It rivaled anacondas.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
He's in boot camp no.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, nothing, you mean prison.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
No, those were not that big.
It wasn't that big, good Lord.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I'm sure they bit too .
I'm not part of none of that.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
So this fast forward into Jake's career here.
I've got to tell this storybefore I forget it again.
But we got a complaint of acopperhead over at one of the
hotels.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, this was after you were bit too, wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, so he was immune.
I'm immune?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, I'm immune to copperheads now.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, I remember you weren't policing then, because I
don't know.
I even saw you at the hospital.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, yeah, If you've never been bit by a snake, it's
not something I recommend.
It's not fun at all.
It was terrible.
But yeah, we went over and theyswore up and down that it was a
copperhead.
So we get there and it's a cowsnake or a rat snake or
something.
It's non-venomous.
But I saw it and I was like,well, that's not a copperhead,
I'll just get it for them.

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They're like, okay, okay, getit, get it.
Jake's right behind me, youknow.
I pull out my asp, I go to grabit.
I've got it.
It's underneath a chair outthere.
I pull it out, I turn aroundand say see, and Jake's nowhere
to be found.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
He'd already gotten it.
He went back to his cruiser andlanded.
I don't care what kind of snakeit is.
That's instant death.
To me.
It was right after I first gotcertified with my canine.
A trooper up in Jackson Countyhad arrested a guy, put him in
his back seat, went back in hishouse.

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When he came back out he hadkicked his back window out and
ran off.
So they called for a dog.
So I went up there and I getthere and he's like yeah, he's
ran off on this mountainsomewhere.
So I get out and we're trackingfor like an hour Guy was long
gone, we get done.
I put up my dog.
He's like man, we're lucky.
I was like what are you talkingabout?

(23:53):
He's like that mountain is ateup with rattlesnakes.
I was like I'm out, man.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, good thing you didn't tell me that first.
No, no, boy, no, if you'd havetold me that first I'd have
loaded it right back up.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Nah, we're good bud.
That guy's gone, gone, Sorry,buddy Snakes.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I respect them now, but I don't fear them at all.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
You had like three fang marks in yours.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So the only thing that I can figure Three fanged
copperhead.
The only thing I can figure isthat it either punctured one
thing, went through and throughand curled up, or it tried to
double thing me, like tried tobite me twice while it was still

(24:37):
attached.
You stepped on it, didn't you?
Yeah, I stepped on it.
So I was up at Mom's and I wasjust walking out, had flip-flops
on, walked out the front doorand it had.
I guess it was Fourth of Julyand it had been raining and the
fireworks and the rain I guesshad brought it back up and it
was sitting on one of thewelcome mats.

(24:58):
It was black.
It was just trying to enjoy thefireworks, Just hanging out,
yeah just hanging out and Ididn't turn on any lights or
anything, because who thinks asnake is going to be sitting on
your welcome?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
mat when you walk out .
I do now.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, I mean it, yeah , I look now yeah, every time I
don't walk outside when I turnon the lights.
We'll do a double take now,yeah, but yeah, I stepped out
and it there's not a water hosethere and about the time it
registered what I had stepped onwham, I was hit and I don't
know.
I mean, if I'd have been in anNBA combine or an NFL combine,

(25:34):
I'd have broke the record forvertical on that one I remember.
I'd jump and scream, and Josh.
So Josh could probably talkabout this too, because Josh was
our neighbor then Because hesaid I just heard somebody
yelling.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
I've been bit and a weird audible oh, yeah, help me.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I went high pitched for a while and then you know
it's a moment of well, I'm goingto die.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
I was not terrified of all that let me tell you what
not to do, because I saw thisthis firsthand when I was out
there at that same spot inCalifornia.
We get those little pygmyrattlesnakes.
You know what I'm talking about.
They're not huge, they're notthe Western diamondback, but
this thing bit somebody.

(26:22):
They were playing with it.
Of course, boom, this kind ofguy's like I sucked the poison
out of his head swelled up likea beach ball.
I saw that in my eye.
I was like, oh, I guess thatdoesn't work.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
So we had to have a meeting over and not.
Well, I sucked the poison.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
All these corpsmen had to come in and be like guys,
you can't suck the venom out ofthese snake bites.
It's a myth yeah so.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
So my bite was on the ankle and I'll tell you what
they do for you.
They give you tylenol andtetanus shot, that's it.
I mean no antivenom, nothing.
Because if you take, if it'snot life-threatening and you
take the antivenom, you've got a50 percent more chance later of
it becoming or going intoanaphylactic shock if you take
the antivenom.
Really Mm-hmm.
So I was like well, I guess thatmakes sense you got all your

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toes.
I mean nothing fell on them Allsix of them on that foot yeah.
I still have some issues.
There's some nerve damage orsomething.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
So you got hit.
Yeah, you got hit.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, it wasn't fun.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
So if you detect the antibody, you couldn't ever take
it again, right?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
You can take it again , but it's a higher chance.
It's more dangerous for you totake it again.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
What's the odds that you get snake bit again?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I don't know, it's pretty high.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
He was playing with that one at the hotel.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Never know, I still have the skin of that one.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Wow, yeah, the one that bit you.
Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Facebook throwing a fit because of that.
Oh my gosh, I can't believethey showed that, or something.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Not, I don't know, I can't believe they showed that
or something.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I can't remember if it was 29 or 19 inches, it was
something.
It ended with a nine.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
It was a female.
It was pregnant.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So not only did one die, we eliminated several more
Crazy.
Yikes.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
But also all on that same base.
Now Pendleton's huge and, likeI said, we had these wild
buffaloes.
You remember when the T-100,like the precursor to the
Tundras came out, we was drivingto the rifle range and the
sergeant that was in my platoonhits one, hits a buffalo like a

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bison and totals his truck andthat thing walked off.
So we were like, hmm, I'venever seen one wild.
So one night I was on call andI was doing vehicle recovery, so
we drive out.
Our pager goes off.
We had to drive out.

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Some National Guard guys or someMarine Reserve people were on
base and I took my buddy, derekSpeaker, nicknamed Digger, and
we went out and this Cobrahelicopter was doing a live fire
unbelievable.
We stopped and just watched itwas doing you know that and like

(29:32):
the shells were falling downclose to us, I said I'm gonna
get one.
We look up.
It stirred up a, a bison that'sBuffalo comes across the road
and stops right in front of us.
They have one of them momentsthere and we're looking and
Digger says Tatanka.
I was like I'm dancing withwolves and stuff.

(29:53):
And here we are.
It's like the total Americanmoment.
We got a Cobra helicopter doinglive fire and a buffalo right
there and we're just like it was, like all we needed was like a
bald eagle to land on my car Iwas going to ask if your
crocodile doesn't need to go outthere and get its attention.

(30:15):
Oh man, that was cool.
That's the only one other thingI've ever done.
More American in my life likeyou know, you got American might
in my life.
You know you've got Americanmite there showing its flexing
muscle on a buffalo in front ofyou.
That's pretty American.
The only other time I wascoming out of the tunnels on
I-40 going into North Carolina,I swear.

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I look up.
There's this beautiful rainbowthat just had stopped raining
and I'm like man, that'sbeautiful and a dang bald eagle
flies right in between it.
I start crying.
That's so patriotic moment,double rainbow.
I called my wife.
I was like you ain't gonnabelieve it.
She's like are you okay?

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I?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
was like no America, it's just beautiful.
That's why I'm going to Belgium, I'm moving.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
It was crazy.
That's my times there.
I'm sorry I got off track on mymilitary career.
I know you had some.
You went to Iraq.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, we were only supposed to do 12 months, but
then we got extended for 4, so Idid a total of 16.
So that was enough for me.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I got out after that I know what it's like being on
the front line, dave do you haveto do 4 years or yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:40):
did 4 years, came back and then went to Knox for a
little bit and then got out.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
You just think, now Got into this.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Just think, if you would have stayed in, you could
have retired.
I would have been done thisyear.
That's crazy, I would have beendone.
Yeah, retired in 20 years.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
So your police career started in what year was that?
2010.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Didn't seem like that long ago, but quite a ways back
and police years it's a longtime.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's like 112.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I will start talking police stuff now.
I guess, unless you got somemore good army stories, I don't
want to think about those.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, we surprised you so long ago yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
I've got plenty of crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I guess, I guess we can start at the beginning.
Well, I know you've got plenty,probably stories with Jordan
and all them of crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, I can tell you, I think some of the best
stories are probably the rookiestories.
So this was.
I had just got off PTO.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Somebody signed a letter but I remember probably
writing hey, good officer doesnot talk real quiet might be a
serial killer.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Haven't figured it out yet but back then we worked
eight.
So Might be a serial killer,haven't figured them out yet.
But back then we worked eight.
So all the new guys went tosecond.
So there was a whole gaggle ofus new guys.
We were all brand new.
We had Meade and Jordan andthen Huggy.

(33:23):
Oh yeah, we get a call onenight of this guy that's
supposed to be be drunk, causinga ruckus down there at the
bowling alley.
So we, me and huggy, get downthere, we're walking the guy out
and I'm strutting around.
You know I'm brand new in mysweet uniform.
Well, as soon as this guy getsto the front door he bolts.
That's why I take off chasingthis dude, try to tase him.

(33:46):
Obviously it didn't work.
Never does Always worked for me.
You guys couldn't shoot good.
I'm definitely not batting1,000 on tasers, I'm not either.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
I won't say I'm 1,000 , but I'm in the, I'm pretty,
it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm in the.
I'm pretty, it was pretty good,I'm not.
But we go through this parkinglot, make it over to another
parking lot.
Unbeknownst to us was there wasa sign that had a wire holding
it up.
Well, this guy's running fullspeed, hits this wire, trips and
just cracks his, cracks hishead.
Well, I see the wire.
At the last second I jump, landon this guy.

(34:34):
So we're fighting around me andhuggy are fighting around with
this guy.
And then I hear lights andsirens.
I'm like, okay, they're coming.
Yeah, here comes calvary.
Well, then I hear tiresscreeching and then a big crash.
I look up and jordan's gettingout of his car and he just runs
over to us and we start fighting, you know, and we finally get

(34:55):
this guy cuffed and we all standup and we just look and there's
just a pool of blood that'sstarting from this guy, where he
cracked his head when he fell.
Yeah, I'm like, okay, problemnumber one, that's not very good
.
And then jordan goes.
I think I called out that I wasinjured in that wreck because

(35:16):
he had come into the parking lotso fast.
He was so amped up, you know,being brand new, yeah, he slams
into a telephone pole, hisairbags.
He said he broke his arm.
He's, like I called out, youknow, wrecked with injury.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Well, not two minutes later everybody shows up.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
So you've got three brand new guys standing over
this guy, blood everywhere and awrecked car.
We thought I mean they thoughtwe hit him.
Yeah looks like I'm like, well,that was a short career, but I
think it was derrick that showedup and we're like we're
probably in big trouble, aren'twe?
Derrick said hold out your hand.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
He went over and smacked you like don't do that
here's the person that was thefirst time I mean I've told that
story when he was here with my,my wreck, and I was like Derek
didn't talk to you until he knewyou, kind of like you, and then
I wrecked and he was like I'mfired.

(36:16):
And he's like, nah, you'realright, buddy, but yeah, he
must have wrecked a whole lot toreassure you.
Yeah, I've wrecked a whole lotto reassure you.
Yeah, you're right, I'vewrecked a thousand times.
That's fun times.
You and Jordan were always insome kind of something some kind
of shenanigans, shenanigans andit wasn't like it was just some

(36:38):
kind of they had their ownlittle language.
It was weird.
They would just be laughing atstuff.
You're like what are you eating?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, I think they thought we acted like that on
calls.
We're like no, we're actuallyprofessional, we're answering
calls.
We're just stupid.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're stupid when we're not around anybody.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
You've got to be able to flip that switch.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Oh yeah, you've got to be able to flip that switch.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
But you know, with that youthand that inexperience, really it
was fun.
Y'all were having fun andenjoying it.
Oh yeah, we were probablyburned out.
Oh yeah, we were probably likeGod.
Why are you having fun at work?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Don't you know?
This sucks why do you?
Enjoy this.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
That's when I got supervisor.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean, when I got supervisor, that was my big
thing.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I wanted the guys to have fun.
I'm with you, I think we did.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think Jake ended up in the chief's office.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Enough explaining our fun a lot we got to the point
where they would call out onanything.
I'd just follow them around.
This is going to turn intosomething.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I think that's just the way it goes, I mean, well,
we had you, get active youngofficers, and you know, I mean,
we got uh we had a squad thatand we talked about this on
joey's podcast, which isn'tcoming out because we had
technical difficulties with thewith the recorder, but we're
gonna redo it, but we talkedabout it with joey and about the

(38:06):
squad that we had and it wasfull of, like you said, young
guys that wanted to get out andget into stuff, so that was what
we were doing every day, everynight.
So it was it was not unusualthat we were into something, you
know, and really wanted to huntdope and and find dope, and
that was our, our main frame ofyou know, yeah, we did so yeah

(38:27):
and we got a lot of it and we uh, I think it was like over nine
pounds.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
We got in that uh he kept counting like nine pounds
of meth, several ounces ofheroin, yeah, cocaine couple
thousand pills.
I think the reason I got thatsquad.
I think they were trying topunish me because they gave me

(38:53):
all the shit magnets Turned outto be the best squad I ever
worked in.
Yeah turned out great.
We got a lot done.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Now I know when we first got out of the academy, me
and Bert and Pat, I think maybeyou had Bert and I was with
Randy and we'd got a burglarycomplaint Off Fifth Street, Off
Fifth Street.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
And I was taking the report.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, they ended up finding the guy I was taking the
report.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Well, they ended up finding the guy.
Yeah, we were just checking theback roads because this guy ran
through the woods, so we weregoing down Falls.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
We turned down this little side street and this guy
just straight up Sasquatches outof the woods.
He was blurry and everything.
There he is.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, he jumps a barbed wire fence in this field
and just starts running.
I'm training bird.
I'm like I'm about to show thisguy.
You know how we do it, yeah.
So I'm like get up there.
You know we get up there.
I jump out, go to hop over thisbarbed wire fence.
Well, as soon as my foottouches the the top, it comes
out from under me and I landflat on my face.

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I'm laying there in the mud.
I've got burt in the car, areyou all right?
I gotta at least you know.
Look cool, now I just get up,start running.
I'm chasing this guy throughthe field.
I'm hurting.
I'm hurt, but I'm not showingit.
Well, bert just turns aroundand goes down the road a little

(40:28):
bit, stops and just gets out andthe guy walks straight up to
him, lays down, gives up.
I'm like all that for nothing.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Yeah, it's fun times good times ain't nothing like
falling in mud.
I think everybody's done it.
I know some of the work I'verun more pants and shoes and
that was ridiculous.
The wire, that polyester stuffand those shiny shoes back in

(40:57):
the day there's class oh yeah,you go to work once, you're
right, I?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
did wearing a coat.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I mean a class, a looks good it looks great, but
it's not practical for the typeof work that we were doing If
you were just in a city.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
A class A, I get it, but when you're having to go
from blacktop to mud pits, tofields, to woods I mean briar
thickets it's not practical atall.
They look terrible.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Such fun times.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Oh, we had a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
We had, yeah, one of the wildest, probably the
wildest experience of my life,which also one of the we had a
lot of them, like he saidinvolves rookie stories.
It's like when we had rookieswith us of some sort, you know
or another, and our squad hadgot pretty good, I mean we'd all

(41:54):
work dope.
So much just from experience.
I mean we joked about it, butyou could pretty much look at a
car and be like, hey, there'sdope in that car and we were all
sitting around at, uh, wherewas it are?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
you talking about bp logan?
Yeah, bp, yeah, so we weresitting we're sitting out bp,
and we were.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
This all was kind of a joke started out, but yeah,
just messing with logan loganwas on pto, but he was, I mean
he was ready to be.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Our pto was way too long for what he was ready to be
Our PTO was way too long forwhat it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
He was ready to be released.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Kind of there at the end where they were, like he can
drive on his own, but kind offollow him around yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So we get, we're sitting there and these guys,
they just keep eyeballing us,which is you know which is not
unusual, but we kept looking,we're looking at it and we look
at Logan.
We're like 10 bucks says there'sdope in that car and he's like
you really think so, yeah, yeah,there's definitely dope in that

(42:57):
car.
So he's like, all right, I'mgoing to go.
So he jumps in his car andthey're still looking at us,
eyeballing us.
Well, lo and behold.
I mean, you know, with the pto,you're, you're kind of supposed
to stay close to him.
We're still, you know, jokingand cutting up over there and
taking our break the car pullsout.
He's like, all right, I'm gonnago follow it, go try and stop it
, okay, not.
Two minutes later he calls outin pursuit and it happened quick

(43:22):
and it happened quick and thenhe calls out in pursuit and
we're like which way did he go,which way did he get?
We?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
don't?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
you've got four of us lights and sirens just going
everywhere all our bottles justpuckered, we're just going and
then going, so he calls outvehicle pursuit like 30 seconds
after that they freaked out.
I'm in foot pursuit two bailed.
By the time we all get there, Imean it's all quick, within

(43:52):
five minutes he's already bailedout of the car, got them in
cuffs, got them all up there bythe time we showed up you boys,
go back and finish up yourdinner.
He showed us all up.
He he had a prong down.
He should have said you boys goback and finish up your dinner.
Yeah, he showed us all up.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
He just had that grin on his face, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
He was so proud.
He was proud of that and itended up the car was stolen and
had dope in it.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
They were like of all the places to stop and eat.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
But yeah it all just started out as a joke, but they
just pulled in there.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I don't know why they did yeah, because we were
standing right out front.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And then they just made it so obvious, they just
kept, you know, eyeballing us.
Just waiting yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
That's when I knew Logan was going to be all right.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
He really had no issues with him.
I miss that guy.
I do Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
He could have been the best.
I mean he could have probablywould have been one of the best,
oh, 100%.
I remember you telling me I waslike how's he doing?
When I was lieutenant and stuff.
He'd be like he's got it.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
He's got it Solid Because you know how real he is.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
He's solid.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Well, except for they kind of had a hiccup with the
search warrant.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and that's a good story too.
So we'd done all our duediligence on a search warrant,
went there, we've knocked, we'veannounced Nobody's coming to
the door and it seems likethere's nobody home really.
So we're just going to go inand search it.
So we just got the rams, we gotall the halogens and the rams

(45:33):
and stuff and we was like, well,the first one we get to hit
with the ram, we're going to letthe mongoloid hit it with the
ram.
He's a monster.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Logan was a monster, absolute monster.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
And he was so excited .
But we was like we put him infront and he's like alright so
he's like getting ready to checksee if it's unlocked.
First he reaches out, checksand it's unlocked, he swings the
door open he swings it open andthen shuts it.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, shuts it back real quick, like he wouldn't
expect it.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
It caught him off guard that it was right now
we're gonna go in there rightquick.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I want to use this tool I was out the yard.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I was like, is it unlocked?
He's like, yeah, well, he rearsback with that ram and he's
getting ready to hit it.
I was like, well, just go inLogan.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Oh yeah, I love it.
He really wanted to use it.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
He wanted to use it.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
He finally did get to use it.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Woods apparently.
I don't know if I've ever seenhim I mean how old?
21, 22 when he first started.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
He was young.
Yeah, Well, he had had sometime on at the jail too, which I
think helped him out.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, Because he could talk to people absolutely,
though for that young he wasthe strongest guy in the
community, him and Joey togetherbecame kind of a pretty solid
dope team as far as interviewinglike splitting people up and
interviewing.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I was never good at interviewing people.
I could find the dope, but Icould never.
I always wanted to go straightto the point.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I couldn't be your buddy, no they were good at it
which Joey was a freak anywayshe could sit out on the
interstate and be like, yeah,there's dope in that car.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And be 100% accurate.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
It's like he had x-ray vision.
He did.
I remember one night it waslike March April, kind of cold
outside in the morning and Iworked two nights in a row.
You was probably off.
So I was coming out to workthat shift because we didn't
want to bring another sergeantor something.
The corporal was out, yourassistant supervisor and you

(47:41):
were out and I worked with Loganand you I don't know, I can't
remember Maybe, and this onehe's breaking in them storage
buildings.
So we almost got that guy thatnight.
We just missed him.
And then I was like guys, I'mreally struggling, I'm going to
go, I'm out, but I'm.

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Apparently they stayed off theradio.
It was like chasing people allover the place.
I was like why didn't y'allcall me?
You said you was kind of tired.
I was like I'm not too tired toget a car chase.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I was like they pretty much had free reign on
them.
I let them do whatever theywanted.
That was my last night that one.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Well, I mean, it was never the very next night we was
up and stomping around up therebehind some woods back there
looking for some guys that werecutting converters off them cars
at the State Department.
We was all over that placeBecause I had a buddy.
He's like man.
They're up here.

(48:47):
I've got them on camera.
That is wild.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I'll have to get Joey to tell that story when we get
him back on here.
Remember when he hid in thewoods and then the guy snuck up
on him?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
On South Main Street.
Yeah oh, we gave him so much.
Hell yeah, oh man, there ain'tnothing like like surveillance
we did a lot of that too yeah,we, we did a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
We did a lot of search warrants, but we did a
lot of due diligence also, wewatched houses and you know we
and we were talking beforehand.
It's like I don't think we mostof the search warrants that we
served.
They answered the doors.
I mean you'd knock, announcepolice search warrant and they
came to the door.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
I think it was just the one time we actually had to
boot a door.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah, man, it's changed a little.
That was pre-probably COVID andstuff.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, it was right after.
Yeah, we did a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I think it was 21, which was when people started
getting those stimulus checks.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I mean, they spent all the money.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
So there was big dope everywhere.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
We had a lot of dope coming in, a lot of pills.
I know how many people have weNarcan'd.
There was that one month Iremember we would go through
waves.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I guess a batch of heroin would come in, or
fentanyl pills or whatever, andwe would have them every night.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah it was like 30 or some overdoses that we had in
like a month or something.
I mean, it was one or two yeahit was crazy.
But I on on that note, Iremember we got a call one night
of uh and it'd been, you know,we.
We would sit up and we'd kindof had a ring of, like our dope

(50:39):
dealers that we'd watch and wewould watch.
You know we called it jail porn,but we would watch the uh
there's a lot of stories aboutthe jail porn, but we would
watch when these guys would getarrested, the things that they
would say to they.
They would get video calls withtheir significant others and
all that and just theinformation that they would give

(51:01):
out over that, knowing thatthey're recorded.
I mean, they used code or werethey just Sometimes?
Sometimes it was code, a lot oftimes it was just.
They were idiots.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
There would be a progression.
It's like when they first gotin there and they'd use code
yeah, and then I guess they'djust get comfortable.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, forget that, so we would watch you know, and
there was a lot of repeatoffenders that we were watching
that were out in the county andwe'd watch for them in the city
and they'd have their links.
But one girl that wouldfrequently be called by most of
these dope dealers.
She was obviously working herway around on that, getting her

(51:38):
dope fixed the way that she knewhow, but she had called 911.
Her boyfriend had overdosedduring one of those bad sprees
that you know.
The dope was getting cut withfentanyl and all that.
So she said that she had, in anattempt to try and reverse the

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overdose, she had stuck icecubes up his butthole.
Better get you Full proof Everytime.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Works every time.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
When you narc hand and it shoots a frozen ice cube
out of your bill.
You're like what is happening?

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Boom A marble splinter.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Some of the stuff they think of, though.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
But to go back to the jail porn.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
They would tell it.
You know okay.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Oh yeah, tell their buddies come over and look at
this.
Just crazy stuff you'd see onthere.
Oh, and they'd get up on thetables and dance.
Oh yeah, tell their buddiescome over and look at this.
Just crazy stuff you'd see onthere.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Oh, and they'd get up on the tables and dance oh yeah
, on the scalp, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Show them what you got.
Show them what you got cuz thisguy.
He jumps up on the table andhe's still got his pants on and
stuff at this point.
He jumps on the table andsomebody yells show them what
you got, cuz he just drops troutand just helicopters Slinging
around.
I didn't care.
Terrible, Terrible, the thingswe had to sift through.

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You remember the Facebook thatwe got?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
The one you had.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, the CI.
Well, no, the CI that we used.
She had ordered some dope.
This chick had ordered dopedelivered to her rehab and got
caught.
So then we worked out a dealand she let us have access to
her Facebook and all that.
Signed over electronic whateverthat waiver was that we had her

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sign.
Electronic, whatever thatwaiver was that we had her sign.
So we looked through just theamount of masturbation that I
had to wade through to get toactual dope deals.
Everybody's little pee-pees,just constantly.
You say, oh, there's a dope,nope, it's a pee-pee.
Somebody wanted to buy Nope,that's a pee-pee.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Fun times.
It's an odd world it was.
The worst is getting a childporn thing.
Oh yeah, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I'm glad I never had to do any of that.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I'm glad we got to you know we'd have to take that
either to the louisville andhave that, you know, there, but
that was the guys that had to dothat stuff.
I feel really bad for them.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Well, speaking of the watching the jail videos, we
actually started a case becausethere was two guys in in jail
that were using this 15 year oldfor I remember yeah, yeah, that
was a good case I think one guywas in there for murder.
Yeah, I can't remember.
I think the other guy was inthere for murder.
Yeah, I can't remember.
I think the other guy was inthere for child porn.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, they were both in there for a long time, it was
not a short time.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
They got charged with that too.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
She was 15 years old.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
It's wild, the cases that we solved we had.
Actually there was a big loadof dope that we missed One of
Joey's cases.
We'd missed it in the car oneof Joey's cases.
We'd missed it in the car andhe kept talking about it and we
ended up having to go get asearch warrant on the car and
went back and found it At thetow lot yeah, at the tow lot
because he kept talking about it, but he did talk in code on

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that one and it took us a whileto find it.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
He was up in the dash or something.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, it was tucked up.
That was some wild stuff thatwe got into.
We solved a lot of cases.
I think me and Jake have therecord for the fastest stolen
vehicle recovery.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I forgot about that, we.
It was like four o'clock in themorning, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Because we went and got breakfast.
Yeah that's, We'd go to bp andget breakfast and we'll just go
get our stuff and go back to thepd.
So we went up there and gotsome biscuits and we're on our
way back and they're like we'vejust got a vehicle stolen on
north range rover it's a rangerover headed north well as soon
as they said it, it passed us,so I flip around and light this

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car up.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
He's in front of me, so he flips around.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
We just box it in Flash boxes.
His hand gets out with his gun,out Mouthful of biscuit.
Yeah, can't say a word.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I can't give commands , I'm just blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Sure enough that guy just stole a car from my house.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
But yeah, Jack's like like why didn't you?
Why are you yelling at that?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
guy said you don't see all the biscuit one of the
funniest getting caught chokingor carrying on was one morning a
good old Ed heard Going 10-8?

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.
Went 10-8 and went on duty.
Couldn't get it out because heswallowed some backers pit and
got choked on it Hot and active.
Hot and active, hacked andcarried on for five minutes with
the keyed up you know, going inand out trying to call 10-8.
They were like you 10-4?
I think they sent an ambulanceand everything looking for him.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Then he get back on there and was like I'm choking
on my backer.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
That's classic.
He's also.
When I went into the schools.
They would be like now OfficerHurd, you know he was SRO too.
He's like now Officer Hurd, youknow he was SRO too.
He's like Officer Hurd broughtthem that Segway.
Yeah, we had a Segway for alittle while it got
decommissioned.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, he never could get it to work.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
He 46'd out.
That's why it couldn't work,didn't?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
he climb up the wall.
He climbed up one of them.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
He was going through a door and had the metal
dividers in the doors andapparently got a wheel on it and
climbed up and dumped him off.
And then the other time he wasdown at the gym going pretty
fast and there was video on thatone.
The principal wouldn't show itto me, though.
Apparently he gets going and Ihad a key fob type deal that you

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put on it.
It was like magnetic.
He'd let type deal that you puton it.
It was like magnetic.
Oh yeah, he'd let some otherperson ride around on it and
didn't have the key close enough.
So he takes off down the gymfloor and he starts trying to
stop and he's leaned into it.
You know, he got the speedbobbles on him Wrecked all over
the gym floor in front of him,probably about a whole class or

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two or something that's awesome.
One of them, damn wheelie boards, yeah, but so I would refuse.
Now I tried to get on itbecause Joe Smith and them guys
they'd ride around up at theChicken Festival.
So I was like I just tried toget on it and Danny Robinson was
trying to help me on it.
You know, you're supposed to.

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Apparently you just step on androll, not me, man.
I got, I tried to get on thatthing.
It started shaking.
I was like that thing's themost dangerous thing in policing
.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
We tried several times to get it going, but we
never could get it to work.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
No, I couldn't, we tried.
Yeah, I couldn't, we tried.
It stayed down there in thebuilding we tried to get it
going.
Hot wire it Probably a goodthing.
Yeah, Somebody had been injured.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Oh yeah, it was apparently very dangerous.
That's funny, funny times, ohyeah.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
What else you boys got?
Was it during COVID, theWhitley Street thing?
Which Whitley Street thing, thebig one?
We just lost our tasers.
I know that was that duringwhen did they?
Yeah, so I think, I think, Iyeah so this is one of the
craziest still yet the craziestprobably call I've ever been on

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as far as but and there's somuch to unpack in it.
There's another rookie story,which I wasn't a rookie then,
but we had rookies with us yeah,yeah, and training more and
this guy, I mean he's turned outto be an all right officer now,
but at the time we had we hadquestions.
We we definitely questionedwhether or not he was going to

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make it, but we'd got a call andit was during COVID.
We just had our tasers takenaway, not because of anything
we'd done.
We just didn't have thecertification or something for
them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Something to do with money is what we were told.
Yeah, it was a money thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
We couldn't buy the new version of them.
They didn't use the old onesanymore.
Either way.
We didn't buy the new versionof them.
They didn't didn't use the oldones anymore.
Either way, we didn't have them.
So and of course, anytime anyequipment gets taken away,
that's when you need it the most.
Not that that we probablywouldn't have worked on that guy
anyways I really don't know Idon't know.
So we get a call of this guy,it's the same guy.

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yeah, it worked.
Oh, that is right, you all haveheard of him.
That's the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
We told the second part of that story, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Same guy that they had to tase in the bathtub, and
the old ketamine guy, the oldspecial.
K.
But he comes out as a call.
Just a guy walking down thestreet, just unusual.
He's in the middle of the road.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I think he's screaming yeah screaming in the
middle of the road we get there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I think I think I pulled up first and then you
guys were behind me, so I getout and we've got the new guy
with us.
So anytime you've got a new guy, it's kind of like let them,
let them go hands-on first, kindof like get some exposure, get
some exposure.
So I backed off and we was justlike just grab this guy, we'll
get him out of the road and thenwe'll figure out what's going

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on.
So new guy grabs, uh, grabshold of him as soon as he does,
fights on.
But all the oddest it was theaudit, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Because as soon as he grabs onto this guy, they just
it's almost like both theirknees get out and they just kind
of crumple to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And it went straight.
They went straight to theground on his back Like he bear,
hugged him and went straight tothe ground with it.
But what?
I heard him yell and I don'tknow to this day that if, if,
this is actually what he said,but what I heard was assume the
position.
I heard the same thing yeah, soso I don't know I don't know

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what it is, I don't know I don'tknow, I was never trained that
way, so I don't know we're we'rekind of coaching him through it
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
We.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, this guy's not really fighting at this point.
He's just kind of thatpassive-aggressive, not giving
hands.
He's doped up crazy, he's onketamine and he's just like we
talked about.
He's got the God complex rightnow.
He thinks he's Jesus Christ atthis point in time.

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So me and Jake jump in and we'retrying to help get arms complex
.
Right now he thinks he's JesusChrist.
At this point in time, me andJake jump in and we're trying to
help get arms, get him to wherewe can get him cuffed and
everything.
I'm on one side, I'm on theother, this other, our trainee's
on his back.
We're like alright, we've gotto alleviate this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
He jumps down on this guy and bear hugs him and then
rolls over on his back with thisguy on top of him, so he had to
squat downward.
That's the position.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
We've assumed the position so we get on both sides
.
Jake's like get off your backand we get him out from under
him.
And we're throwing some kneeshere and there just to get him
nothing crazy, but we're justtrying to get him in compliance,

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get him rolled over.
We finally get him over thereand then he starts kicking.
That's when he starts kickingat us and all this, and Jake's
like all right, somebody pull anasp.
So I deploy mine.
Well, the other officer deployshis too and loses it as he's

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deploying it, because, as you'retrained, when you pull you're
deploying at the same time.
So it's ready and loaded by thetime you're coming for a swing.
So, as he's coming up over hisshoulder, he loses it.
Well, another officer's comingup at that time and it comes
whizzing by his head.
Oh, my gosh, lands insomebody's yard, lands in
somebody's yard Classic.

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So me and Jake at some point intime I remember just looking at
Jake and we're just looking ateach other like what do we do?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
What is going on here ?
I think at that point hestarted circling us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Was he circling us?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
We were holding this guy down on the ground just
waiting for this new guy to comeover and kind of handle it, and
he just starts roaming aroundus.
We're looking at each other,just shaking our heads, like
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I don't know if he was looking for a spot to pile
in.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
It's so hard to know what you can and cannot do,
right?
I remember I was in a fight,pretty, on FTO training.
I was like, oh my gosh, what isgoing on here?

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
It takes a while.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Jake ends up disengaging and I go to work
with that asp and this.
I will never forget this,because most things don't catch
you off guard, but this caughtme off guard Because I'm.
You know I'm striking this guyin the legs trying to get him to
roll over on his stomach nowand he's kicking at us and all
that.
But you know he called me amother f for all this.

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You know this guy's not.
He's like.
I'm wailing on him with thisasp and the next thing I hear is
father, forgive them, for theyknow not what they do.
I was like yeah, it's likemid-swing.
I'm like I don't know aboutthis, oh my god oh, but yeah, we

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ended up getting him, gettinghim to the jail, and then then,
you all got to deal with it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Yeah, one time I'll tell you a story on that on on
doing things that are surprising.
Like you know, this guy was outof his head, high and drunk,
and Lodge was in there oneafternoon.
It was like second shift, so itwas later though, but he'd come
up there or whatever formerchief and I'm like I go pick up

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this drunk, that's walking nobig deal.
But when I get back up to thePD, I'm not being DUI, so I was
going to do the breathalyzer andall that stuff.
So he's like so I'm having todeal with that.
I had him probably handcuffedin front.

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He looks at me.
I mean he's just like I knowwhere you live.
I'm going to come burn yourhouse, I'm going to murder it.
All this.
I'm like gosh.
He said I work for Jesus andyou work for hell.
You work for Satan.
I just immediately pulled outmy pepper spray and sprayed him.
I said have a taste of hellright there.

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Lodge came out and he said didyou just say that?
I was like huh, I didn't hearyou say that.
He was in the service office.
He said that was cold.
I loved it, miss Herbie.
I was like oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
He's like Sam Jackson over there quoting scripture
before you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
He said I work for Satan.
So I just said, well, have ataste of hell.
I don't know.
I mean, it's like flipping thatguy on the nose at times.
I don't know where I'm like.
I don't know, Is this witty, orthings come out like that.
I was like Quick on your feet,I must be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Every now and then you get a.
When I take my adhd medicine,I'm smooth.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Every now and then you get an opportunity to to
unload a good wood liner, yeah,but I didn't know where that
came from.
I was like, yeah, I gotta writethese down, keep them in my
back pocket practice well, theynever work out if you try to
think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
No, no, I told I don't know if I've.
I can't remember if we were onyeah, I think it was our shift
the guy that broke into the coinlaundry machines and had his
butt crack hanging out and allthat he was hiding.
His butt crack was hanging outand I finally got to use, I

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finally got to use the woodliner.
I said man, you know that's afelony.
He's like what are you talkingabout?
He said I'm just over here.
I said you've got 10 pounds ofcrack hanging out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Been waiting years to pull that one I was like yes,
I've got to unload that one,check that one off the list,
mine would usually come out more.
Like you eat pieces of poop forbreakfast, I eat pieces of poop
like you for breakfast.
You eat pieces of poop forbreakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Like all the happy ears they got me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I tried to use that one that we talked about with
Joey.
All the time Somebody's peeing.
You know that's a felony Grownman holding a little bit of
paper.
Can't overuse them, though.
No, you can't overuse them.
They lose their luster.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Man, I've seen some craziness, though.
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Trying to think.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
I know y'all got more .

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
I wasn't involved in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I was just made aware of it.
The buy bust, okay, yeah, yeah,we can't forget that.
So you were, I think you werethere for the initial.
The shop there, yes, so we hada shoplifter, started out as a
shoplifter and, like I said,this squad that we had with our
main, like anything we did, wewere trying to link it to

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getting some dope somehow.
So we had a shoplifter and sheimmediately she's like and you
know, and words out at thispoint in time that you know
they'll make a deal with you ifyou'll, if you'll, roll over on
somebody.
So we're trying to make a dealwith this.
Chick Red flags through thiswhole thing.
Should have just ixnated rightout the gate.

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But we were like, yeah, we'regoing to do it, we're going to
see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Well, we had been on for a few months and one of our
goals was to do a buy bust, sothey were pushing this one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
We wanted it to happen, so get a deal with her.
She calls up her plug and youknow, red flag number one.
She creates the meat spot.
That's red flag number one.
So we lost control there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
And we knew it, and we knew it, but we still went
with it went, but we still wentwith it, so I had a I had
relatively another new officerwith me too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
He's I mean, he's still working, but he's a good
officer and uh, he's just one ofthose things that he wouldn't
pay any attention at the time.
But uh, we get there to thespot that we're supposed to meet
up.
I tell this woman we're in theundercover vehicle.
I was like, all right, go out,do not get in the vehicle,
absolutely.
I said, whatever you do, do notget in the vehicle, stay at the

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window, whatever, do not get inthe vehicle First thing she
does is get in the vehicle.
I was like, well, frig, this isall avalanching as we go.
I don't know what we're aboutto do because she's not we're
not 10-15 with her yet, but Ithink she had a warrant.
I think that was the.
Yeah, she had a warrant, so sheknew she was going to jail but

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we weren't going to charge herwith the shoplifting and all
that and her brother I thinkthat was a big thing.
We let her brother go on that,and her brother.
I think that was a big thing.
We let her brother go on that.
So the first thing she doesgets in the vehicle.
I say, well, this has gonesouth quickly.
So I call the other officer.
I was like just go ahead andcome up.
I said this has turned intoturd soup immediately.

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So I just roll up there, we hitthem up and we're giving them
the you know, reading them, theriot act.
And I'm searching the car.
Well, our ci is that standingat the back of the car with the
other officer, you know my coverofficer.
So I'm searching the vehicleand I'm, you know, occasionally

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I'm searching the vehicle.
I like to look up through theback window and make sure
everybody you know nobody'slooking for the back window and
I see the other officer but Idon't see her and I was like hey
where'd she go?
And I see her running up thehill behind the dollar store.
So I have to chase her.
I have to chase her throughthis briar thicket to get her,

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and she just took off running onus while we were searching the
car.
That's hilarious.
To make it even worse, it getsworse, yeah we never found any
dope, no dope.
So I'm taking her to jail andshe is high as a kite now
because whatever dope that shestraight up played us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Jumped straight in the car and ate it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Straight up played us on that one.
She knew she was going to jailso she got her a fix before she
got in.
And we Straight up plaintiff onthat one.
She knew she was going to jailso she got her a fix before she
got in and we facilitated all ofthat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
It's one of those I get the phone call after.
Like it didn't go exactly likewe planned.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Somebody pooped in the punch bowl quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
I keep coughing.
I'm getting over this flu, orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
You've had the flu for like two years now, getting
over this flu or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
You've had the flu for like two years now.
So back in early in my SROstuff, me and Joe Smith decided
to do a 21 Jump Street and wehad a kid get some dough and

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told us about it.
So I took, I tell Joe I waslike we love to do, bob, you
know bust or you know drug dealbust at school like a Bible and
stuff doing.
He said, yeah, I think.
So we cleared it.
I don't think you're allowed tonow, but I mean back then it
was okay.
We was like, ah, so we decidedto try it, get this kid.

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I was like we got cameras allover schools.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
So we don't really need a whole lot of surveillance
stuff.
I got to just make sure,whatever you do, stay out in the
hall and make this happen.
A little marijuana.
We was trying to clean up theschools, that's it.
First thing the kid does wastake you and go straight in the

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bathroom and make this happen.
Comes back and says I got it.
I was like we got nothing, bro.
I was like Joe's like what wasrule number one?
We only have one rule.
Yeah, like, stay in the hallwayso we can use our cameras to
make sure it's happening.
But that's what you get whenyou're dealing with you know

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they were both 18.
So that's why we thought wecould do it, but they were still
high school kids.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I was like I mean, and we, yeah, it was like that
situation it was stupid.
I mean, and we, yeah, it waslike that situation it was
stupid.
We knew it was going downhillbut we was like ah, we're just
going to try it anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
So how that ends up is I take the.
I have nothing on anybody.
You know, I don't see it godown.
We don't have nothing.
Not a very credible thing.
I didn't, we didn't sign nobodyup for nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
It was just one of them deals.
We were trying to clean up theschools real quick because we'd
had some problems.
So I just go to the kid.
I'm like I know what you did.
You better stop it or we'recoming at you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
I threatened him and busted his head.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
He straightened up, though I think he's doing the
Marines or something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Good, got him off that devil's lettuce crazy but
yeah, we've got some stupidstuff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
We've had some wild calls too, I know you know where
I've drank two bottles and youknow I can't hold nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I know what was it, the Reams?
We had the guy with thedomestic holding a woman hostage
with a gun.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I don't know if I remember that one With a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, that's the one where the same officer from
Whitley Street was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was down at the bottomof the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, yeah, so we get a complaint.
It's a domestic but there's agun involved.
Female is supposed to be heldagainst her will.
All that good noise, you know,and it's not very often that
when you respond to somethingthat you get to deploy with a
rifle, you're I mean yoursidearm is usually what you

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deploy with.
Yeah, so we chose to deploy.
I deployed with a rifle.
I think another officerdeployed with a rifle and uh, we
, you know, we go on foot tosurround this trailer where he's
supposed to hold, be holdingthis woman hostage.
Well, I hadn't chambered around.
You know, we keep everything incruiser carry.
I hadn't chambered around yetbecause we're running, running

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down there to where we get.
And, uh, we get surrounded inthis trailer and I chamber
around, you know well the otherofficer, which I didn't hear it
because I was on the other sideof the other side, so I'll let
you tell that part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Well, it started off weird because as soon as we got
out, I guess he was trying tomove tactically and he was doing
some weird crab walk.
We're just strutting down themiddle of the street.
Well he hears somebody chamberthat AR and he about passed out
on me.
Oh my God, they've got an AR.

(01:17:50):
I'm like chill dude.
I mean that's one of our guys,relax, you're fine.
But he about passed out on me.
I mean you could see himvisibly get weak in the knees.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
He almost went down on me.
Yeah, yeah, all I know is Ichambered around and then you're
laughing after we left and said, like man, he, he about crapped
his britches when you rackedthat rifle.
It's so much fun messing withrookies.
Well, yeah, and on that note, Ilove it.
So we had heard that his houseclearing techniques were were

(01:18:22):
super weird, which they ended upbeing, which goes back to the
crab walk.
Yeah, which they ended up being.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Which goes back to the crab walk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, which they ended up being what the academy
was teaching.
I went to an active shootertraining and I was like that's
exactly what they're teachingnow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Yeah, he was right, we were looking at us.
We'd never seen it.
They didn't give us the update.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
We were just kind of messing with him and wanted to
see how he cleared a building.
So we set up this.
He didn't know it was fake, butit was an alarm and we set it
up on this building we knew wasvacant and one of the other
officers had been riding aroundwith a mannequin's head in his
passenger seat for like a weeknow.

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So we got this bright idea thatwe were gonna hide it in a room
and and see if he was, you knowgun, shy enough to to shoot the
mannequin head when he opensthe door.
He ended up doing really wellclearing the house, so I mean we
were, you know, after, afterthat we were pleased, but kind
of disappointed that he didn'tshoot it yeah we were a little

(01:19:26):
disappointed that he didn'tshoot the mannequin, but yeah,
that.
We had some fun though it was along, long road, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I love him.
I hope nothing but the best forhim.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, no, he turned out good.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Uh-oh, uh-oh, mama's calling, so I'll tell you a
story on him.
It was hilarious.
So we were, we were kind ofdoing some checks on all the new
guys' tactical skills.
Me and Jesse were, I was a DTinstructor and you know, so

(01:20:09):
always checking to you know,because we hadn't seen this
stuff and what they were doingmore, more jujitsu, more, um,
different, different things thatwe, we weren't used to.
So you know, I came from theold school.
Uh, ppct, which is pressurepoint control tactics.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
So we have that.
Is this the pressure pointstory?

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Oh, yeah, so we have, we're doing this.
So I was like, hey, there'sother ways if you need to get a
guy off of a bar stool insteadof going up and doing like a lap
drop on somebody or somethinglike that.
I said you, there's pressurepoints that you know.
You put a little paincompliance behind somebody on a
pressure point, they're going tomove and um.

(01:20:53):
So I talked to him about thatand all of them, not just him,
all three rookies, and you knowI taught crowd mcgaw and I
taught some other stuff, and Iwas just like here's some other
tools.
Well, we still use these things.
They're perfectly fine, they'renot.

(01:21:13):
They're not.
There's nothing to it.
There's no strikes.
You're just placing a fingerhere, putting a.
You know, you all know the PPCTstuff.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Oh yeah, finger here putting the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
You know, you all know the ppct stuff, yeah oh
yeah.
So we show them some good stuffthat they can use on certain
things that you know thatjiu-jitsu is just not going to
work all the time.
And um, we get a pretty hotcall on a woman and she, she's
wild, I mean absolutely ready tofight.

(01:21:46):
She goes in the house, we go inafter her, finally, and she's
in the room.
I was like I pulled off whoeverwas with it.
I said let him go to work.
And um, it was quite comical,just because he knew what to do

(01:22:07):
that I showed him to get.
It was one of those deals wherethe arms were underneath your
body and there's some moves likeputting a pressure point behind
the ear or something like that.
Yeah, whatever, Whatever youneed to do to get not fishing
Exactly Double fishing.
Yes, exactly Double fishing no.

(01:22:31):
But instead of doing the move,the comical part of it is he was
just like pressure point,pressure point, pressure point.
I was like, well, do them, dothe pressure point.
It's the pressure point.
You know, it's just one ofthose deals where what can I do?
And you've got a thousandthings going through your mind

(01:22:53):
and you know it's fine afterthat.
You know, I'm going to blame theacademy for all of that
nonsense, because all the timesthat you have to yell out what
you're doing in the academy, somaybe they'll do that,
especially when you're newespecially when you've never
been taught that the only classyou got was about a three minute

(01:23:14):
like hey, check this out thishurts, this also hurts, so it
was funny it was just comicaljust to see instead of doing the
move, you was calling it.
It was just comical just to see, instead of doing the movie, he
was calling it out and juststanding there screaming.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
It was in there somewhere right along the way it
was close.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
It was close, it was so funny.
I hope he's listening He'll geta kick out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
It's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
I don't know if they listen or not, but it was a
great time training people andjust seeing all the dumb
mistakes people make.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Because, I made them too.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, we had a lot of fun.
That was a good squad we had.
I'm trying to think of anythingelse.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Well, I knew we were in trouble.
I think it was our first weekworking together.
That's when I knew I had allwere in trouble.
I think it was our first weekworking together.
That's when I knew I had allthe crap magnets because we had
little Joey.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
I think we were eating at like Frisch's or
something, and we get a call aguy at a grocery store acting
weird, yeah.
So Joey's like, yeah, I'm goingto get it.
So he jumps up and takes offand five minutes later we're
sitting there and he's like guysramming my car, I've got one at
gunpoint, yeah and then fromthere it was, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
The next weekend they got in a pursuit and wrecked
through a church garden well, ifyou remember and I've still got
the video somewhere, I'll haveto find it the same call of the
guy ramming Joey's car.
We had to go back that nightbecause he had a passenger with
him.
They locked him in the bathroom.

(01:24:56):
They locked him in the bathroombecause he got in there and
went and shot up and then youhad to take him to jail.
That's right.
Yeah, but he was serenading youwhile he was on the way back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I've still got.
I've still got that, do you?

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
he was taking requests, he was he was wouldn't
pay, wouldn't pay, I didn'tmind that's fun stuff, that was
my year though that was had tobe a fun time were you working
when he had the car run from him?

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
which time that he wasn't even chasing oh yes, the
one that wrecked out in thegraveyard no, well, not even
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
That was a different one, the one over by north
middle that hit the tree oh, no,oh yes yes, I was working that
night.
Yeah, jelly was the worst.
It's like this stuff justhappened to him and he wouldn't
even be doing anything.
He was driving down the roadone night, I forgot about.
And this car passes them andjoey, just kind of you know,

(01:25:52):
gives them a second.
Look, well, they gun it goingthe opposite direction.
So he turns over, he tries toflip on it and he's talking.
I can't remember who he'stalking to.
He's like you might want tohead this way.
Well, not.
20 seconds later he's likedispatch, send me everybody.
Well, this car, it's a great,great person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
So I get there.
He may have been talking to mebecause we were hitting up one
of the poker machine, gasstations, parkway Market it was
pretty hopping that night and Iwas heading that way anyways,
and I think I lived over thereat that point in time.
Maybe I don't think I'd movedyet over yeah, yeah, so yeah,

(01:26:37):
yeah so I get over there and itis a catastrophe.
I mean I get over and I'mlooking at the driver.
The driver's conscious, but I'mlike their heads are through
windows.
I mean it's crashed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
It had peeled off the roof.
The driver was on top of thepassenger, on the passenger side
, leaning out the car.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Blood.
I don't remember that, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
But was he?
Did they just wreck in front ofhim.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
So they thought he was going to the gas station to
run tags and check.
Well, they see him as he'scoming and when they see him tap
his brakes to kind of give thecar a second glance, they take
off.
Well, that big, you know thebig hump on that road.
They went off.
Well, that big, you know thebig hump on that road.
They went off road on it andinstead of and it pushed them,

(01:27:30):
they went airborne.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
And then they plowed a tree I think they were wrecked
before joey got turned yeahyeah, they know they were
wrecked way before then and thenuh got up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Then I got up there and I remember saying, like,
looking at joe and I was they'reboth dead.
Both of them lived somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I don't know, but I was like yeah one of them was
unconscious, had to cut her out,wow.
Then the other one.
He was talking but I was likehe's not, they get him out of
there, he's a goner.
But they ended up both living.
Still don't know to this daywhat they were running for I

(01:28:13):
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
We never did find, never did find anything.
Yeah, crazy, that's wild.
Yeah, he was a.
He's definitely a poop magnet,he can do it.
You found you got in a lot, Imean you and you and jordan in
the and hugging the first party,yeah, yeah we're always in
something too, though it's justthe way, and me you know me and
danny were always.
You know, when we came along,it was me.
Danny and Rodney Van Zandt werehired and we were always in
some kind of mess.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
But that's how it goes.
So you've got different typesof officers.
You've got officers that wantto come out and they want to
answer calls, and that's it.
They just want to do that.
And you've got officers thatwant to work traffic, and that's
all they want to do that andyou've got officers that want to
work traffic and that's allthey want to do.
And then you've got officersthat want to go out and be
Batman, basically, and do thatstuff, and that's kind of what
we all were is we wanted to becrime.

(01:28:55):
As we saw, it was not likepetty traffic and stuff.
It's like if I stopped a carany of us if we stopped a car,
it's like who cares what theinitial thing was, I'm looking
for you know well you got yeah,you got dope what you got
warrants you got, you know, youknow

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
I used to preach y'all was doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
You are an interdiction, it just well, and
I yeah, and I'll say this if youare not going beyond the
traffic, stop.
You're wasting your time,you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
You're not helping anybody I used to preach to the
new guys if you want to get intostuff, get to that call first,
as quick as you can.
Get to that call and see whathappens.
I mean you'll get into stuff,yep that's always first.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
If you can get there quick, if you can get there
before everybody else, that'swhen your foot chase has
happened.
So, many of them.
That's when the you know it'salso dangerous, you know,
especially on domestics.
Me and Alan Harris we went on acall and we've seen this guy
was beaten.
No, this woman I can't rememberman or woman they were fighting

(01:30:03):
.
I mean it was awful.
We're just looking in thewindow like, oh my gosh, this is
horrible.
I ran back to kick and as I wascoming forward, alan just
turned the door and it was open.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
Everybody looked at each other.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
I was like.
So we just kind of looked ateach other.
Alan starts laughing at me fora second and then we went to
work.
You know he's like I was like Ididn't even think about
checking the door Thunder.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
there I was like man.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
I'm used to this.
This is some high speed Belgiumstuff.
I learned.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
That reminds me of a complaint when I, when I finally
went to day shift which was aterrible, awful mistake and I
would recommend nobody ever doit but we went to a there's
another domestic or something.
It was at one of the trailerparks.
It was those brothers thatalways fought.
You remember the uh?

(01:31:01):
middle ground way yes, yeah anduh.
It's the first time I've everhad to kick a trailer door and
it's harder than you think.
They're elastic, yeah.
So I'm horse kicking this thingand like the bottom of it just
bends in and it's on stairs.
So it's reminiscent of Jamestrying to ram that door.

(01:31:24):
Oh, yeah.
But I finally get it kicked inand I open the door and the
guy's just sitting there eatinga bowl of Froot Loops looking at
me.
That's a quick thing that tookyou a while that took you long
enough.
Just knock, I'd open it for you,we did, nobody would come to
the door.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
Man I was.
We used to go out there a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yeah, he was a turd, I think the last time I was out
there I ended up just arrestingboth of them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
It solved a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
For that day.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Oh my gosh guys.
We've done just some wild stuffthat we've done and seen.
I don't know.
It's hard to explain to peopleyou hear these stories.
You're like I remember that orI heard bits and pieces of those
stories, but just like gosh andI'm sure we're forgetting a lot

(01:32:21):
.
I know, it's just it's crazy90%, yeah, but the good thing is
, we'll have you back, and thenyou'll think of something else
yeah, we'll all like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I've got a list written down on my phone that
I've been trying to go throughand I'll read one and it'll jog
another, and so so I wish,because you always hear the
older guys tell you you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Well, I wish because you always hear the older guys
tell you to keep a journal.
Yeah, should have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I think you're the only one that did.
We've talked about that withjust about every guest that's
been on here that they'vementioned.
Everybody said do a journal andI, you know, midway through my
career is when I started writingstuff down, so there's a lot of
stuff that I forgot.
And there's a bunch of stufffrom Richie's episode that, like

(01:33:06):
later that day, I was like, hey, you remember that?
He's like, oh my gosh, yeah,it's like well, how did we
forget that?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
So that's the cool thing about it is I, and we've
said this a hundred times- butI'd like to get three or four of
us all together and do this too, and they'll just have some, if
we ever get a studio set up,because it sparks something like
oh yeah, I was there not.
No, that's not how that wentdown.
I'll tell you how it went down.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
That's what and maybe that's how we need to start
going forward and our audiencemight like that is, having
multiple yeah multiple guys herethat can bounce yeah, bounce
stories back and forth off ofeach other, because I'm sure
Joey remembered a bunch of stuffthat I couldn't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
I'm sure it'll be a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
It will be, I've got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I could piece it out.
Let's do another one with him,and then I'll add bonus reel,
won't we have the squad here?
Well, we can have partial,Partial.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
You, jake and Joe and you, and then I was the
lieutenant over that Me, flashand Joe, you were the main ones.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
That's true, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
There were some people that didn't always want
to participate.
Yeah, and I think some of thecorporals we had didn't want to
play our reindeer games.
Yeah, sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
I don't blame them right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Well they were having fun they were?

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah, we were.
We were changing lives andmaking a difference.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Everything's safer now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Is it?
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
I don't think it's worse.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Small blip on the screen, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
We want to end this one now or think of something or
what we got to do unless you'vegot something else.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
You remember they will go as long as, like you
said, yeah, I'll have to sit andthink that's the cool part.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
this, this is like therapy and bringing this stuff
up and being around each other,because we don't get to see each
other all the time, so it'scool to bring everybody back and
see everybody.
It's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Well, I listen to all your other ones, and even them
telling stories.
Jog's memories.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Which I do have to make a correction with Danny's
story.
Which one the snowball fight?
Okay, he attacked us unprovoked, he left that.
Of course he did, and the majorpart of the story that he left
out was, by the time we got tohis house, he answered the door
in his tiny whities, of course,of course, and yes, he did sick

(01:35:52):
his dog on us, you're lucky thathe was in tiny whities.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
The guy, danny, has a tendency to get naked.
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
I was wondering if he'd bring up some of our DARE
golf trips and it's sad, daregolf trips.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
So that reminds me of something Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Before we end it, Danny lost his off-duty weapon
in his golf bag.
I remember that On one of thosetrips- On one of those trips,
lost it for years.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Had to do a stolen gun report and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
And then we had a golf scramble again and he found
it in his bag where it had beenthe entire time.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
So yeah, I got a little love for Danny.
He stayed in the chief's officeover us for a while.
There he got all the new guys.
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
That's a pattern.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
But honestly, if you don't wind up in the chief's
office or you're not getting introuble, you're not doing your
job.
Yeah, you're not, because Imean if you're not trying to
bend the rules enough to get thejob done, then you're not doing
it right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
I never got called.
I'm lying, I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
I didn't get called in that much.
They didn't like talking to me,they didn't like my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
No, I got called in on you and be like you need to
have a chat.
Yeah, be like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
You need to have a chat with him, okay yeah, nah,
after the, after the memo, theydidn't didn't really care for my
opinion anymore hey I thinkthat's the main reason you got
your vacation.
I think so too I think it wascoming around.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
They've been looking, they've been waiting yeah, they
said we got it, got it.
That's funny good times goodtimes, we'll do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Yep, thanks for coming on.
I enjoyed it.
I think we've uh reminisced onsome of the major stories,
anyways, but I'm sure I'll thinkof a hundred more.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
As soon as I leave here.
Well that's the cool part.
We'll do another.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I think that's a good idea, though we get Joey and
you back on here and then we cango back to the hill.
I think you're going to make atrip, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
I think we're going to make a trip to Danville.
I've got some guys over therethat said they'd do it, so I
know we need to be a good todd.
I'm love to get todd.
I know john's already.
He said he's going to come onand john be a good one.
And then then there's I'm surethere's several more that we

(01:38:40):
like.
You'll be okay, there'sforgiveness if you ask.
I don't ask, so it'll be good.
It'll be good.
So we may, we may do somethingcool over at Danville, have some
fun.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
So until next time guys, we'll cut it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Cut it here, before it gets too dangerous yeah,
catch us on the next one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
She's my only one Almost time on earth was through
.
She must face this worldwithout me.
It's a love I gave her in thepast.
Gonna be enough to last.
Tomorrow never comes.