Dare, Deuces, and Demolition Derby.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying on a
runny, dim street light,laughing through the written
reports.
True, stranger than the wildestcourts.
Tales from the force goneastray, caught up in the games
they play High speed chases goneawry, serious turns in the pie

(00:23):
in the sky, just out ofjurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
But yeah, it's good stuff, go ahead there, man,
welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Another episode for you.
We've got another guest for youhere.
We've got Danny Robinson withus.
Hello, he's another survivor ofthis area's policing industry.
Retiree, retiree, made it allthe way through Another one of
my FTOs.
Actually, I think by the time Igot to Danny, I kind of knew

(00:53):
what we was doing and kind ofgot the okay, he's laughing
about that, you didn't have aclue what he was doing, did you?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
No None of us did.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, even the traders didn't know what we was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
But I will say that Danny's FTO philosophy was
probably one of the better ones.
Everybody up until that pointwas kind of aside from Richie
was okay, this is the way we'regoing to do it.
There's no other way, you'renot going to, and if you do it
any other way, you're wrong.
Danny's was kind of likeeverybody is a different way.
You find the way that you do it, as long as you're not doing it
to get you indicted or introuble.

(01:29):
You're, you're good, so sothat's, you start learning that
way.
You can't go by a strictguideline on that, but uh, yeah,
I think I think t-dot's knowndanny a lot longer so yeah,
we've known each other sinceprobably elementary or at least
middle school?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Did you go to East?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Bernstead together.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
He was just in a different class.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was in.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Miss Reed, he was in, whatever that was.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, so we've elementary school, kind of like
Gary.
I moved from that side and wentto East Bernstead, so we went
middle school just knew eachother.
We didn't really run the samecircles all the time but we
always liked Danny Good dude.
Also, we were in the guardtogether he went to Germany

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while I went to Belgium, he wentto Germany while I went to
Belgium, so we didn't get towork guard shacks together.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
How many sandbags did you molest over there?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I peed in, that.
I did not molest it.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
None, I peed around the shopping center a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
We're getting our quota of pee story right now.
Well, I got a verse in P-Storyand we'll get to that, Because
Danny and I were hired at thesame time and we were roommates
in the police academy.
Now, the first time we go up todo our pops, he picks me up in
this Ford Probe or something.
What was that?
It was purple.
If you look at it one way, itwas purple the other way it was

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green, dodge, avenger, dodge,avenger.
And we rode up together toRichmond to do our POPs test and
we just did everything togetherthere, ran, we lost track of
time, we were just kind of justtalking and it was like man, I
can't believe we were so firedup.

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We was in pretty good shapebecause we was right out of the
Army Right out of the military.
So we was running and we lookeddown.
We was like oh my gosh, webetter pick up our pace here
we're going to fail.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
We got to hurry.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Y'all were on a leisurely jog.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think we passed it, probably a minute or so.
Oh yeah, we did that in FinalPops too.
He was up in front of me and Icaught up with him.
We started at differentpositions so I caught up with
him.
We ran the whole time together,or he caught up with me and he
ended.
I was like, oh no, Dang, I'vegot to keep going.
Yeah, but we enjoyed it and I'mpretty sure, did you go to the

(04:02):
hospital while he was in theacademy?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Oh yeah, that was a funny story.
Yeah, tell me about that.
So we were running the mulchtrack, the old mulch track.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Was it wintertime?
Are you the?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
reason that we weren't allowed to run the mulch
track anymore.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I don't know.
That's a possibility.
I know many people that's gotmulch track bid or something.
But we was, we was just runningdoing our normal thing and I
started getting a pain in myside.
This is more than a stitch.
I just collapsed, and Mr Hugheswas our DT instructor at that
time.
Great dude, great dude, he comeover and he's like you know,

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he's always yelling at me forsomething.
That's just how it went at theacademy.
I was always getting yelled atfor something.
He wasn't.
It went at the academy I wasalways getting yelled at for
something.
He wasn't as much as me, but Iwas always getting yelled at.
He was a follow me everywhere Igo, but anyways, I collapsed.
He come over there, he'syelling at me, everybody's
laughing, kind of making fun ofme and I'm like no it really
hurts.
It really hurts.
Something's happening.

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He's got a really bad shit painor something it was worse.
So they sent me up and they hadto.
I don't even remember who Iseen at the academy Next thing
you know I can't remember if itwas you or Mr Hughes Somebody
took me to the hospital.
No, I didn't.
I wasn't allowed to.
I don't remember who it was Tookme to the hospital and they
admitted me and they did nothing.

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They did nothing.
They did nothing.
They took some blood and didnothing.
I stayed on the gurn on thatlittle bed, just in the fetal
position all night.
Next morning there's nothingwrong with you they sent me back
.
So I went back to the academyand our uh advisor or class
coordinator won't mention anynames he's, he's no longer with

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us, but he didn't like me at allyeah, that weather's really.
We'll get into those reasons hedid not like me at all, but he
he tried to fail me over thatreally I didn't know that.
Tried to fail me, said he,they're gonna kick me out, send
me home.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Really.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yes, send a letter to the department.
They called Elijah's chief thenand he went off on them.
They were going to fail mebecause I missed almost all
day's work.
They said I wasn't going tomake it up.
I said I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I was like they didn't give me any restrictions.
Well, that's weird because youremember when I missed a couple
days because I was getting ready, I got put on like a stop loss.
Seriously, we were February,the, it was Valentine's Day Me
and you stopped at the Walmartin Berea on our way home, got

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our spouses.
Final phase yeah, this isFebruary.
We graduated March 15th.
We were one month away.
We were starting our fourththird phase, fourth phase,
whatever they call it.
We put on the gold epaulets.
I remember we were the top dogsin the academy class.
So I get a phone call and it'slike the Rams are running or

(07:06):
something.
I don't know what they'retalking about.
I was like huh, that was like acode Like hey, you report to,
so I'm calling.
They were like are you sittingdown?
I was like no, I'm not sittingdown.
What is going on?
They're like you're getting,you're getting we just had come
home.
They're like you know, I thinkIraq was getting ready to kick

(07:30):
off.
They were like you're right.
So I had, I had my like allthese license, all the vehicle
recovery, all this stuff fromthe Marines and they knew my MOS
, besides the infantry, I hadthis.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
And they were like and they can pull you for so
many years after you come outright?
I guess I was pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
What's weird my final commitment date eight years of
military service was March 8th.
We're talking about Februarythe 15th, so I only had to March
8th and I was out of themilitary for good.
I've completed my servicesystem and you was getting ready
to get pulled, yes.
Not to mention, we were aboutto graduate the academy.

(08:12):
They sent him orders yeah.
I had orders, sent Militaryorders to deploy.
Listen, I've never been moresick in my life.
It was hilarious.
I was like going in to.
I went in and saw like thelodge, and I was like going in
to I went in and saw like thelodge and them I was like, yeah,
I'm getting deployed.
I don't even know you people,but I'm getting deployed again.
They're like what I was like Igot orders to report to.

(08:35):
I got to go to Richmond.
They're sending me to Paducahand I think they're going to
send us to Saudi Arabia orsomething.
I'm like I don't know what'sgoing on Saudi Arabia or
something.
I'm like I don't know what'sgoing on.
I'm like panic mode and so Icall the coordinator, tell him
what's up.
He's like you just be with yourfamily right now, because I had
to report, like on Wednesday,and we had to be back in the
dorms on Sunday night.

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So I was like, oh my gosh, whatis going on?
So I made some phone callstrying to anybody.
I was calling every politicianI knew, which was nobody but one
great guy, albert Robinson.
He just went on to be with theLord.
He was a great dude.
They were in session because ofthe time of year and I was like

(09:21):
I went to church with him.
He was like, yeah, I'll getwith you Tuesday, I'll go talk
to the house.
I went and seen everybody elsein between just not trusting
that it could get done.
And I told him and they werelike that's the dumbest thing
I've ever heard of.
Why would they be?
They just got home like sixmonths ago.
That's stupid.
So they canceled the whole dangmission apparently and I called

(09:43):
another guy that got pulled tooand he was so mad at me.
He said, man, that was going tobe good money.
I was like I didn't want to, Ijust want to be a policeman man.
I don't want the money.
I got 15 days and I'mcompletely out of the military.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I was like and.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I'd already been deployed with National Guard and
I was not real sure what wasgoing to happen.
I was not real sure what wasgoing to happen.
I'm like I'm definitely goingto die if it's war, it's like.
Belgium was close.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
This is bad.
National Guard, inactive dutyis nothing alike, however what
they did.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know, when I called the coordinator he was
like man, you just beat yourfamily.
So I did.
When I came back I was like hey, they let me back in.
I called him so I come, come inDanny's.
Like who are you in here?
I'm back, baby.
I've never done so muchhomework in my life.
For the next, I had to write abit papers on resting heart rate

(10:35):
five pages.
I was like I don't know how Ican do that.
I wish Chippy T would have beenaround back, then I'd have been
alright, but I really made thegreatest score I've ever made in
that because I actually buckleddown and worked hard, so Danny
and I.
So I had a different experiencewith him.
He liked me.
I must have tried hard.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I don't know, ever since day one, he did not like
me.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's probably because he was over there chuckling at
him.
I was yeah, I was, Danny inlegal class would be over there
and be like hey.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
If it wouldn't have been for Travis, if it wouldn't
have been for him, I would havenot graduated Well, our study
habits were really fun.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Danny would listen as I would read them and he would
answer questions.
That's what we did.
We didn't study real hard, butwe just went over everything
every day we did a lot of likeflash card stuff we didn't do
that we just read it and then hewould answer the questions.
And that was it now we both hadreally good grade.
We didn't.
We weren't honor grads ornothing, but there was a we were

(11:38):
never going to be honor grads.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
There was a pretty good tradition, by the time we
got up there, that thegraduating class handed off all
their notes from their adjutantto our adjutant.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
We started a very good tradition too, getting
PBT'd every night.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I appreciate that that was us.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Somebody started a tradition that we weren't even
allowed to go to Hooters anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
That wasn't us, was it I didn't go?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
No, I don't think, because you all weren't even
allowed to go to Hooters anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
That wasn't us, was it?
I didn't go?
No, I don't think, because youall weren't that dumb.
No, somebody went to.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Hooters in their academy uniform.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
No that wasn't us.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, and it caused a hold, so they were like don't
even go.
Did you all go to the collegeand eat Some?

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I figured we would have got kicked out of that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean of that.
I mean it was a buffet.
So yeah, it was a buffet.
Yeah, it was.
We're talking about food.
Yes, damy, we're talking aboutfood so we so.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So some of the things that happened, all right.
So so day I'm going to say daytwo, day three or the next week
we brought a TV in, so we reportby the next week.
We brought some old TV inSometime during that week.
Yeah, we bring our computer in,do our homework, we do.
You know, we try to make it ashomey as we can because we're

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there five nights, you know,five days a week.
We try to make it as homey aswe can because we're there five
nights, you know, five days aweek.
So somebody me or you oneleaned back in one of them
wooden chairs.
It was me and it cracked Pop.
We thought we were brand new.
Hey, we were the first academyclass to sleep in those dorms.
I mean, we weren't the firstone, the dorms, but that room.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
With the wooden desks .

Speaker 2 (13:22):
We were peeling plastic off stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, we were the first ones in that section of
the dorm.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So we were peeling plastic off mattresses and stuff
and we went up and bought, youknow, egg crates, our mattresses
, came out of jail?
I think they weren't great, butthey were brand new.
We knew we wouldn't go get bedbugs or something or cooties or
lice.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
We just had the military training and bought
polypr pros and stuff like thatstick under our mattresses.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, we were.
We knew how to make ourselvespretty comfortable in this we
learned, I mean?
I mean, the first thing we didwas went to walmart and bought
egg crates and and just broughtour own stuff.
There's nothing morecomfortable than a poncho liner
to sleep under yeah, but it wasthe first week.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
it was a square chairs, that's wood, I mean they
didn't have legs.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
They were heavy.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
They didn't have legs , but it was like all one piece
made into a leg.
You probably remember.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
And they had like a back, like a round back, and
they went up to you know, and weleaned back Just a little bit
and then pop crack.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, there's no give to those.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well, we didn't tell anybody, you couldn't see it.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
No but if you used it , you were going to fall
backwards and break them.
So we put our TV in it, yeah,and never thought about it again
until that red-haired dude Week15.
Yeah, this guy comes up andsaid if you've got any broken
equipment in your rooms, youneed to tell us right now and
it'll be okay.
So I start panicking.

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I'm like golly.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I had to panic so much.
It was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I was like we got to go tell on ourselves on this
broken chair.
It was his chair, he did it,but I took it up there and said,
hey, we got a broken chair.
They were like thank you,thanks for showing us.
Well, I, we're, we'repracticing graduation, like
doing the walk across and here'swhere you stand, here's where
you sit and all that stuff I get.

(15:13):
I get a call from the, from thehead coordinator over training
don't know who it was, though Iremember his name I think it's
miller's his last name, butanyway he brings me in there.
He says is your own standby forgraduation.
I'm like what.
I was like what, sir, let'slook over this broken chair.

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We're launching a full-blowninvestigation on it.
And I'm like Danny runs andthat was the story of our career
.
But I was like you got me,leave it to Davey.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean I was like we've run final pops, we've run
all this final stuff.
You have to do Final tests, allthe things you have to do, and
we're like and I'm on standby.
Apparently they called Lodge.
On that one too they did.
There's two times on Lodge.
I know of four, but numberthree is the worst one.

(16:12):
One was there was some trashleft in the dumpster, but number
three was a really bad numbertwo.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Alright so you know when you're there in between
classes you don't get a wholelot of time.
No Five ten minutes maybe whenyou're up early and you eat
breakfast and you work out andyou get stuff in your belly,
you've got to go, yeah.
So we had just a little bit oftime and I was like I've got to

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go, so I went to the room.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
He was actually awake in class.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
This time I was actually awake, I knew something
was up because he was like butI went to the room and I did my
business and you know, becausesome, you know, just sometimes
you don't have time to cleaneverything like spotless with a
toothbrush or nothing.
But it wasn't dirty, it wasjust straight used bathroom I

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disagree, but we'll get to thatin a second he comes back to the
go ahead danny because so Ihear your side
and I was just like um well,bathroom's a little dirty what
he really said was I think we'rerode up.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh no, what had happened after he used the
bathroom?
When he opens the door, they'rethere to do a room check.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
They're doing an inspection in our room after I
just left and remind you therewas no Febreze, there was no
Glade plug-ins or anything likethat.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And it was a good one .
He comes back in the.
I'm sitting there, he comesback, he's sweating, he's like
we're rode up.
I was like oh no, why whathappened?
You know, because we Swirlymercs, no man.
Swirly mercs, no man.
He just had one of those duband dubbers he had to go.
It was on the back of the walls, it was bad.

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It was on the shower curtain.
It was everywhere.
I was like, oh my God, we aregrown up.
It was everywhere but thetoilet.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
It was like splatter day.
I don't know how.
There's just a little bit ofwater in there, but when the
light hits really quick, itsplashes.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think he was still butt up when he started
launching they called Lodge onthat one.
When Lodge later he was likelisten, he said you and Dan
Robinson, lodge.
Later he was like listen, hesaid you and Dane Robinson.
This was later, you know, whenhe got to actually talk to us
and know us.

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He got to know us Because atfirst, you know, he had no, you
know he had no conversation withthe chief.
There was no reason to.
But when he started going tochurch with me, I took him and
we went up to a baseball gametogether and he was like you and
Danny Robinson got more phonecalls.
I got more phone calls from youtwo in the police academy than

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I have, and that's 17 years I'vebeen police chief at this place
.
I was like they were all Danny.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Well, he probably agreed with that because it
actually started before theacademy.
Yeah, let's tell that story.
So before the you know, youhave to go up and do your
psychological, your pops and allthat.
And I've you know military past, psych past pops past.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
You means you just are consistent.
Well, we tell them the samething.
Yes, not that you're not crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
well, well, so did all that and I'm getting, we're
headed back home after doing allthat and I get a phone call
from a sergeant at the pd who isstill working, just not at the
police department with somebodyelse.
He calls and he begins to yellat me on the phone and I'm like

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whoa dude, what's going on?
He's like I don't know what youtold them he said, but they're
not recommending you.
I'm like I don't know, thenI'll tell about the other one.
There's two, there's anotherone before that.
So he's yelling at me Take himhome, go to the PD, he's there

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there.
He's yelling at me some moreand I'm like dude, I don't know
what to tell you.
I've not done anything.
I've.
Well, I've been in trouble, butnothing's on paper, right, you
know?
And they had the, they saidlodge spent like an hour and a
half on the phone with thepeople to tell them to push me
through because we needed peopleso bad.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't think that's the story.
I've ever heard that.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
No, and not many people have the story I was
thinking of.
The one you're thinking of isso we do the test.
You take the test.
Back when we applied, we did itat North Oral High School.
There was no sitting room, man,it's packed.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's so packed, you know there's four spots in there
, but if there wasn't a hundredpeople in there, there wasn't
five.
It was crazy it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know it was my fourth time taking it, did all
that and then they start yourbackground investigation, right,
you don't hear nothing, youjust give them everything and
then they tell you when yourreport date is, and all that.
So it was a Friday evening, itwas about 3.30, and another
sergeant, a friend of mine.
He called me and it was not avery polite phone call, it was

(21:35):
another.
What did you do?
Yelling at me, said a fewchoice words and told me to get
my hind end to the policedepartment.
So I get there.
It's 3.30, 3.45.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay, we report that next Monday, that Sunday we were
going to the academy.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Was this on a Thursday or Friday.
This was a Friday evening.
We had to report to the academyon November 16th, which was a
Sunday.
It was so, they asked me.
They was like you ever been introuble.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I was like yeah, but I'm sitting in there too.
Yeah, I'm like I've had a fewtickets.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Do you remember this ticket on blah, blah, blah?
And I was like, yeah, I sure do.
I remember that, because thatwas a trooper that I know real
well.
We was in the guard togetherand it was on one of them FOT
days for him and I had a blackMitsubishi Eclipse and I was
coming from my grandparents andI was letting them scream.

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So he pulled me over, wrote mea ticket, smacked me on the head
, threw it in the car and saidget that handled.
So I got it handled.
I thought oh no.
That guy I give it to said itwas taken care of or handled.
Sorry, handled, don't worryabout it.
He said you get one.

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I'm like, well, that's onetimes four, but thank you, he
didn't remember, thank God.
So they're yelling at me.
This is about 3, 45, 350 ish.
I was with the major at thattime who was supposed to be
doing my background.
I think he did, but kind ofdidn't.
Maybe I don't know.
But anyways, I had an activebench warrant oh no for my

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arrest and the clerk's officeclosed at 4 pm.
So I have to leave the pm.
I'm talking, I have minutes tospare To get over there and pay
that, to get over there and payit.
Thankfully I caught Mr Schottwhen he was there, a clerk, and
he laughed and laughed.

(23:42):
I thought he was going to laughso hard that he was going to
have a heart attack before Icould pay it.
Got that paid.
So our shenanigans are.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It was before the academy.
I was like I'm going with awanted man here.
This guy.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Remember the range, yeah.
So, we were heading up.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
The range was down at the river.
Yeah, on the Boonesboro exit,so we're going up there.
It was cold.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's always cold, but not slick.
But it was just cold, it wasjust cold.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
And we're heading up to that exit riding in our 1995.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
It's a 95 Crown Vic solid white.
It's a parking enforcement car.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I bet it would fly.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I never drove.
He was the driver Saying that.
He yeah, we rear-ended anotherofficer.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah, so we're getting off the exit and one of
our classmates you knoweverybody drove their own cars.
Most people didn't carpool orbridy.
We just you know, me and himdid this.
We only had one car untilgraduation or a couple weeks
before, and I'm not saying I'mthe best driver in the world.
I have learned a few thingsover the years you know, paying

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attention is not one of mystrong suits.
No, we've seen that.
So we get off the exit andpeople they'll stop and then
they'll move just a little bitand then they'll stop again.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
They hesitate, they hesitate.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
So I didn't know.
He hesitated.
I thought he went and I plowedright into the back of him.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Luckily there was no damage.
Well, those cars were builtlike tanks.
Oh, they were great still.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
So we get out vehicle ever made he's freaking out
because he's from a northernkentucky agency who pays really
well and he's freaking out.
T-doc's freaking out, I'm not,I'm just laughing.
Yeah, because you know myresponse to everything what do
we do what?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
do what do we do?
Do we call the police?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I'm like eh, eh, wipe it off.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, you're good and keep going.
I mean his head whoop.
I was like daddy, what have?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
you done?
Yeah, we got more rec storieswe'll tell later yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
So we make it out.
I guess we did well.
We graduated by the skin of ourteeth, but we made it
physically we did really well.
We made fit for duty and allthat yeah both of us were on
like the honor guard thing.
I don't know if you did theflag detail yeah, I did the flag
detail with you we had fun.
It was a great experience.

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We used to run.
They would let us run offcampus for a while.
We'd run down to the hospitaland back.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, none of that.
Ours was not a fun experience.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I think we ended that , so that was our fault.
They were just building thatnew awesome gym.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
We didn't get it until like week 14.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, we were one of the first classes to actually do
our PT test on the new trackinside.
So it was real weird.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, all our PT and stuff was inside, and then we
had the glass room.
Now, the glass room was fun.
Now I don't know, I won't talkabout who- our instructor was.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's where we did dt yeah, we didn't do much, so
we did some dt in there and Iremember I was.
I went up against a pretty goodfighter.
All them guys could fight, soI'm doing the.
His name is Dotson as well.
He's a great dude.
I did my thing.

(27:11):
I was like, yeah, you pass.
I was like, man, I'm scared todeath about that fist fight, his
baton fight.
Danny goes out and we'rewatching him.
Danny starts doing some taquackdo's.
I don't know what he was doing.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I've learned a few things over the years.
I've studied some differentthings.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
He's learned how to get his ass real.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
I thought you could incorporate just about anything
into it.
In Red man, I was looking for afight, not this hoolied.
Whatever they would hit you, weweren't allowed to hit them.
They told us we weren't allowedto punch them.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, you couldn't punch them.
We were supposed to be thetaunts, you just had the pool
noodle.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, we had that foam pool noodle.
So me, I hold it back on myhead, like you're supposed to,
and I twirl it.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Twirls it like a bow staff or something.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, because I've done some bow stuff.
I did, but I was just havingfun.
I'm a little cocky, I can'thelp it, really cocky.
But it was Lindsey Hughes.
Again he liked me, but he madeit rough on me Very made it
rough on me, very, made it roughon me.
So I twirled it and had my handup and he said something and I

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didn't really pay attention towhat he said and he told me to
go to striking.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
So I twirled it again and he popped me square in the
face.
His baton went flying.
He was like a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
And then when it hits , hits when he blows your
equipment daddy's trying to runback to it to get it because I
can't do nothing else they won'tlet him, like, go into fist
fight.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know, I would have just normally I'd have just
tackled ember yeah, done aroundhouse or something like
that, because back then I could.
I can't do none of that now.
It was funny.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It was hilarious.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
He destroyed me and I couldn't help it Every time I'd
pick up that baton twirl.
And every time he would make meeat my lunch.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Was Jumper up there at that point in time.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
We were his Jumper when he went to the academy.
He didn't work the road long.
He left like within a year'stime and then went to the.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
He was training under hughes when we came in.
Yes, and then he took his ownclass about two weeks later
after the next class came in, he, he took his own class, but,
man, he taught me how to like doa vertical jump.
Back then you had to do the.
I was like, I went from likebarely passing, even though I
was like to.
I was like huh, that guy's like30 vertical and like one.

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I was like man, I can get upthere, I can dunk.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
We'd get done with, like, our ptdt lesson and still
have a few minutes, and he'd getdown on the floor and you're
like, all right, let's roll.
And just he would twist you upin a pretzel so quick.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I've had some classes since, like DT instructor
classes and things.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Just the stuff he did .

Speaker 2 (30:12):
He's so quick, but he was a monster he still is.
But he's like Lean.
Yeah, he was a monstrosity of aperson.
He was super fast.
Yeah, he was big into like theA little bit of guy.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
A little bit of guy.
A little bit of guy.
He's only like five, eight,five, nine.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
He's shorter than me, so he's probably like five, six
.
Yeah, he's short, I'm like I'mfive, seven, but he's, he's a
great instructor too man.
He was my red man and he wasand I won't say that he wasn't
like the others.
The others were like out forblood to make you look like an
idiot.
He wanted you to learn, but youpaid for your mistakes too, he

(30:50):
hit me four times before I evenknew the fight started.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean, it was just, I was like you remember that
park guy the greatest the legendWeber?
Oh man, what was his first name?
I don't remember.
Great guy the greatest thelegend Weber, oh man.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
What was his first name?
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I just remember Great guy they named the built Jim
after him.
Yeah, he's passed away.
Since I mean one heck of a dudeand he was the greatest fighter
they would do like, hey, you'regoing to be in the, mr Weber
has just shoplifted, you twohave to go arrest him.
Nobody wanted to do it, man,because you was getting ready to

(31:33):
get whipped or without it.
But if you did the right, likehey, sir, can you turn around?
And did all the propertechniques on arresting somebody
, he was complying.
It was just his turn to be thebad guy.
Oh my gosh, everybody's scaredto death that he's going to
thump us.
Because right before that hewas remember the guy from the

(31:54):
park service.
We were practicing the batonstriking and he kept hitting.
It would glance like he wasgoing back and he was hitting
Weber right in the face.
It wasn't hurting him, but hewas like, sir, the next time you
hit me in the face there willbe repercussions.
And we went and picked him upat the hospital with the

(32:18):
greatest black eye on ouracademy, on our academy pitchers
.
I think his name was Noble, Ican't't remember, but he had the
greatest teardrop black eye man, swelled him shut.
He gave him a warning.
Everybody hit him three times,though now there was.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
there was some guys that came into the ptdt there
and at the end or in the middlekind of of our.
It was pretty rough, especiallyon the females that were in our
class and we had some toughfemales, but they was one that
he de-cleated her with anuppercut.
Oh gosh, I mean it had to callthe ambulance and everything.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh no, it's tough man .

Speaker 3 (32:58):
We had some females that didn't need to be there
either.
We had one that couldn't shootover a 40 on the qualification.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
It was like a shotgun target.
You remember in classes you'renot supposed to have recording
devices.
In there we had a guy hisrecording device.
He accidentally hit play andstarted oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
It was awful If anything badcould happen in our academy
class.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
it did, it happened and we were just like what, and
usually it was me somewhereinvolved and him laughing.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, we had a good time.
We graduated, we get out ofthere.
And, one of the greatest, wehadn't been out long and it was
Halloween, our first year orsecond year, I can't remember
exactly the foot pursuit inWalmart.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh, that was our well .
Technically it was my firstreal.
I had another foot pursuitbefore then, but it didn't last
nothing like that.
That was like our second year.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So, listen, we answer a second shift, call together
Trespasser at Walmart, backtowards Tire Loop.
We get back there and this guy,we see him, he sees us, he
starts slipping around.
I'm like hmm, so Danny goes tocut him off and I look around,

(34:26):
the guy's gone and Danny's whoa,whoa, whoa.
He's after him, he's on him.
So I'm like huh.
So I get on the radio like FootPursuit, walmart.
But it's probably like blah,blah, blah, blah, because people
are like 824, what did you say?
I'm like 5% Walmart, me andDanny.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh my gosh, it never comes out in the moment the way
it went.
I thought it sounded good, butI couldn't do it, I was he
couldn't.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So there was.
There was old women flyingthrough the air like this dude
was bowling over her, overpeople.
They get you know the doorslike stop you know the doors
like stop you know closed andwaiting on that.
I'm trotting because Danny'slike he is in hot pursuit.
He is like yeah.
I get outside Danny's got.
He's down in the in the secondarea with his hands on his knees

(35:14):
.
I said where's he at, where'she at?
And just across the parking,like maybe yards, the guy's
looking at us and he's got hishands on his knees.
So I started taking off after hegets his second wind and we run
away or, you know, into thefields.
But that place has developed alittle bit more now.

(35:36):
Well, we stopped twice.
Yeah, there was more stopping.
We stopped over there, likeclose to Sh and, yeah, that,
that strip mall over there we're.
You know, at this time I'mtired because, yeah, we've ran
this whole quarter, quarter mile, but we were running, I mean,
we was dodging traffic.
So we get over there and we'relike, oh my gosh, we finally he

(35:56):
goes in this wheat, in thisbriar thicket, and I'm like, oh,
I'm not going in, going inthere.
And he knew it.
And I'm like, come out of there.
And he's like, no, you come getme.
That's what he said.
I was like, no, you come up tome.
And he took off again and Dannymet him and that was it, and it
was a I don't know exactly whathappened?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, we won't talk about what happened in the
thicket.
We got back up, we're walkingup the hill and I don't know
whose car he gets put in andEric Wilkerson was riding.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
He was riding.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
At that time he hadn't been hired, he was riding
, he was with the major and whenhe got out of the car he walked
around the car a minute and hiscar was probably I don't know
five foot in front of me.
Well, I barfed.
And I mean everything I hadthat day just up.
It was horrible.

(36:54):
I mean, we run hard, it was asprint and it was physical.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, I'm going to say that's a long sprint, and
then the fight at the end of it,and then the little fight at
the end of it.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
And plus adrenaline.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Counseling, he got some counseling.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
He fought us.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I mean, he was trying he had a little circle tattoo
on his forehead, the oldbackhand ring, huh.
And then so I get up the hill,I'm huffing and puffing and I
barf.
Well, like I said, Eric wasriding, he wasn't paying
attention.
He walked right through it andthen got back in the major's car

(37:33):
, oh no.
So when we all got done, we allwent back to the PD, which Eric
wasn't hired.
Then he got out and the majorkept asking what's that smell?
What's that smell?
It took him like two days tofigure out that Eric had walked
through my bar from lifting hisglass.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I never got around to doing it, but we done it.
When I was at FedEx we had thissulfur candle oh gross, and we
would cut little chunks of itoff.
And, like the drivers that wehad this sulfur candle oh gross,
and we would cut little chunksof it off and the drivers that
we had pretty good workingrelationships with, we'd go and
stick it on top of their engineblock.
Oh, of course, While it wasloaded up, so when they got out
on the road it would blow.
Oh man.

(38:13):
That was one of the great,because you'd never figure out
where that smell was coming fromTim Smallwood.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I told that one.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
In.
I told that one In the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh gosh, he was notorious about that.
Notorious.
See, I figured that was Hump.
No, it was Tim.
He nailed it.
He got us Hump, wouldn't dothat to us.
He loved us.
Now, tim was just, he was justquiet about it.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Pranks were always fun over at the PD.
It may have been during COVID,I can't remember, and nobody
ever said anything about it, soI don't know what the results
were of it.
But every night where we hadall those pool cars sitting in
the back and it snowed, I tookmy boots off and I put them on
the hood and made boot prints.
And then I went and got aSnickers bar out of the thing

(38:56):
and melted it and stuck it onthe hood and I never heard a
word.
I figured they'd I melted itand stuck it on the left and I
never heard a word.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I figured they'd be a full-blown investigation over
that Me and Zanet and John Sloanwere roommates in Belgium and
our neighbors.
Across the hall there's someguys that I think they work at
the Bureau of Prisons now.
Two of them do, I'm not sureabout the other, but we would go

(39:24):
in there and we were in Belgiumand they had all these nice
little cheese shops and wineshops and beer.
You could buy beer back thenout of vending machines, like at
train stations.
It was really crazy, but wewould buy some of that really
stinky cheese, man, and plant itaround in their room, right.

(39:48):
And finally, you know, theyfigured out and get mad.
Well, somebody took that cheeseand smeared it in their hat and
we wore those stinking beretsback then and smeared it in
somebody's underneath theirberet right there and there was

(40:09):
near fisticuffs happening onthat.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I can imagine.
Oh, I got stories.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I've gotten so many fistfights over there.
I didn't have a clue you putthat many people in barracks
together for that long and wethere was some thumping.
When Zanuck comes on we'll talkabout some of our.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I learned how to fist fight over there, I saved I
don't think he even knows it,but I saved Daryl Zanuck from a
full-blown investigation onenight.
You remember when they got sotore up over dip?
No, oh, yeah, okay.
So he got pissed off.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
By leaving bottles around.
Yeah, spitting in the garbagecan Spitting and throwing.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
You know, everybody opened the door out and threw
them out the back door ofprocessing.
Well, he got pissed off and Iguess out of spite spite, and it
may have just been on accident,but I just assumed out of spite
but there's a big old chaw,just like baseball, all over the
side of the wall and I came inI said oh my god.

(41:17):
I said I don't know who that is.
But I don't, I don't want tolisten to it, I don't want to
hear what's coming after this.
So I just sprayed it off withthe water hose.
I was like nothing was ever said, but I can only imagine.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Me and Danny.
We went to several so he wasalways my roommate in every
place we went.
I don't know.
We got two hotel rooms when wewent to Desert Snow down in
Knoxville, but there that wouldhave been cool.
Yeah, that that's a great if,if officers get a chance to go
desert snow wanted to there welearned a lot.
We went to both of them, wentto big truck um in lexington,

(41:52):
wasn't it?
I went to knoxville in bothmaybe it was knoxville.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I tried I tried so hard to get into narcotics stuff
.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
But every time I put in for an in-service I got elder
sex abuse or something.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's just part of it.
We got lucky on some stuff.
I was on the task force andDanny was canine and we were
really close good friends.
I'm like, hey, and I got itpaid for for you through that
task force.
He got to go, but that's theonly time we didn't have to
share hotel rooms, so in therewe go over to.

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Was it Campbellsville?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Where were we?
Campbellsville?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So we're in Campbellsville.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Kentucky and Danny comes in, we go.
We think we got it made right.
This is going to be two weekseasy, easy stuff.
That was the hardest schoolI've ever went to in my life.
Yes.
So like the first day, we'relike they had a movie theater.
We went to the movies and wewere like man, this is gonna be
great.
Every night we'll come overhere and chill out.
And do you know we were.

(42:56):
We couldn't drive home at night.
It's too far away.
Danny's like I'm just gettingover the stomach bug.
Oh no, he says it's bad too.
We rode together over there andby day three or two I'm sick,
like green sick.
We went and ate at Rally's.

(43:18):
They had a Rally's, they had aDruthers over there too.
They ruined my whole trip.
I'm laying there one night I'mlike, oh no, I go and I throw up
all over.
Then I'm like, oh gosh, it'scoming out everywhere I sit down
.
I'm like, oh no, then I justjump in the shower Come on Sorry

(43:40):
.
Hello.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So I'm sitting there in the bathtub, I'm pooping in
the bathtub.
He was so white and green I waspuking in the toilet.
I was like I don't know what todo and uh, I went back into
class next day and I'll tell theinstructors.

(44:06):
I'm like I'm sick.
They were like it's gonna beokay because you know he's doing
like.
We had to go through like, doour practice?
They were cramming liketeachers, uh, college classes
down our throat.
We're supposed to learn in twoweeks.
So I had to present that day.
I'm like I don't know what I'mgoing to do.
I was running back to thebathroom and I was green.

(44:27):
They were like are you okay?
I'm like no man, I'm sick.
Sig, you need to go home.
I'm like no, I'm not going home.
I'll never do this again.
If I'm here nowest I've everbeen and sat through that just
rocking Danny's over.
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm sorry, smiling, laughing.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
I'm like I tell you every time we get together on
training His snoring wasunbelievable.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I had to beat him to sleep.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I get sick, he gets sick.
There's a pooping incident.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
There's something, oh my gosh, that was funny.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
The academy at 730, he'd be laying down covered up
trying to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I tried to sleep like an ostrich or like with my head
buried down underneath themattress, so I didn't hear him.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I thought now I'll be all right, I'll just take my
hearing aid out.
I'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
But every night he'd try to beat me to sleep.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh, it was hard.
At the end we'd be in theacademy and then Eric Staller
would walk in and never leave.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
You're like Eric, go to bed?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
No, surely not He'd talk about everything in the
world.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
I'm like wow, was he still in there going beep, boop,
boop, boop beep boop, boop, yep, just as bad.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
It was funny, just as bad, but we had a good time.
So we went to DARE, graduatedthere, that was a great great
experience.
We did all the desert snowstuff.
We had a really fun and blessed20.
You did about 21?
21.
I did right at 20.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Almost 21.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It 20, you did about 21 21 I did right at 20 almost
21.
It was some good times so tell.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
I know you got some other good stories.
I got a few.
That's here something so I canremember I hadn't been off fto
long and I'm.
I mean it wasn't long at alland I was on second shift and I
hadn't been.
You know you don't when you'reon fto, you know.
Know, sometimes you do a lot,sometimes you don't, and my FTO
was spent mostly on day shift,so you didn't do a whole lot

(46:28):
other than paperwork, Mostlypaperwork 45, stuff like that.
So I'm thinking it was a secondshift call.
It was me and Derek House and Idon't even remember who all was
there, but it was one of myfirst amped up calls.
I can remember it.
It was the domestic orsomething similar to that.

(46:50):
Might have been just an assault, but anyways, so we go up.
It might have been that onethat you was with me with.
I can't say his name, but hehad to deal with his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Oh yeah, that was me and you.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, so it was me and him, so we fought him, and
that was the most hilariousfight I'd ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Let me tell you, Danny spent, I'm going to say, a
good solid five minutes tryingto get in his house.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
The steel doors.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
We go up there and there's a guy sitting in a
wheelchair.
Another old guy said boys, it'sbad, he's killing her, you
better get in there.
We're banging on the door,maintenance ain't around.
We got to get in there.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
I'm kicking it.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
He kicks.
It's hard to get in one ofthose doors unless you've got a
halogen I don't bring the firstfoot up to help him he's just
watching, you know so when itpops open, danny goes back to
his position of with hands onthe knees yeah, I was like I'm
surprised you didn't throw up onthat one too.
I mean, he's, he put a workoutin and uh, we, we bust in there

(47:59):
and and uh, he wouldn't come outof that what I didn't know,
y'all's there she had.
He had stabbed her in the chest, in the chest right right above
her breast, with a screwdriveroh gosh she's bleeding and she's
holding baby.
I thought you let us in firstmy, but my boys over here have a
heart attack.
He's laying yeah, so we'retrying to get him up out of bed.
He's laying in bed, yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
So we're trying to get him up out of bed.
He's not moving and we go toget him.
So we this dude's little I meanI won't say little, but he's
thin, you know we're fairlygood-sized people we grab him by
the feet and jerk him and itwas like pulling, I don't know.
It was just like a little kidcoming out of the bed.

(48:40):
He just raised up in this bigarc like a windmill arc and
landed in the floor.
And when he landed in the floorhe raised up and Travis did one
of his iconic punches, the oldSuperman punch.
He just hit him and he goesright back, just laid right back

(49:05):
on the floor.
So, anyways, we get him up.
I think I don't remember if wetussled with him much more after
that.
So I'm grabbing him by the arms, I'm yanking him out the door,
I'm walking him down the stepsand Derek Howe says you know,
hurry up and get him to the PD,because there are all kinds of
people watching.
And me, fresh out of theacademy, just amped up, I said,

(49:26):
yeah, so we don't have to smackhim in front of everybody.
I got reamed for that.
We didn't smack the guy.
No, don't get me wrong, wedidn't smack him.
He might have needed it, but wedidn't.
But me, all amped up, notthinking of what I'm doing,
because we just got donefighting the guy and everybody's
like, oh, so that was anothertime I got in trouble, one of

(49:49):
the greatest I've been introuble, so much it's it's hard
to keep track you cussed on themain law yep, I remember that
that was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
It was next tells yeah, was you talking to John
Whitehead, john?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Whitehead.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
He makes our show.
Sometimes I'm telling you he'sgot to come on.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
We would have Nextel in one hand, Mike in the other
hand and driving with our kneesand the hands and your arms and
your elbows and everything youcould do to talk.
So you're talking, talking,talking, talking, talking,
talking, because you try to beas professional as you can yeah,
you're trying, you're going inbetween your next tail and your

(50:26):
and your and your radio, so weget a complaint and uh, somebody
on the slate lick street, um,possibly moving dope in and out,
of, you know, from vehicles, alot of people coming in and out,
so we're waiting to catch a carcoming from the residence.
So he's on one side of SlateLake or McWhorter Street down

(50:48):
towards the pawn shop, you knowtowards the parkway and I'm on
the other, by the church.
It used to be a FedEx buildingthere, but it was just a big
white building on the right.
So I'm sitting there in my carI have in one hand next to on
the other.
We're talking back and forth,we're talking on the radio,
we're calling out cars becausewe didn't have the laptops in

(51:10):
right.
We're running tags andeverything.
And, lo and behold, here comesdanny, here comes this car and
it's just had every indicatoryou could think of, just a
straight holler, right.
You're just thinking, yes, gotit.
I'm like I'm getting this one,so I yank it and drive.
And I'm hollering at John on themic and he's not answering.

(51:32):
And I'm hollering at him on thetwo-way on the next hill he's
not answering.
And I call out a 47, and I'mthinking I'm on my mic but I'm
on the next one.
I give out the 47, and nothinghappens and I hit it again.
I said, hey, john, this one's abig POS.
But I didn't say POS.

(51:53):
I said this is a good pile ofshit car.
We need to hurry up and get it.
Well, as soon as I said that, Iwas like and then 818, where
you at derrick house night shift, um slightly in the park in
mccord street, signal two withme up here and uh, blah, blah,

(52:14):
blah.
I'm like oh that's always athing I'm confused
that's always a fun you're notthe only no, but I've done that
so many times.
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
We had such good times.
I had a great career.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I loved it.
You know, did some fun things,not some fun things.
Spent a lot of time insupervisor's office.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I've been there Been there, done that yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, I got a chance to apologize to some old chiefs
the other day for my bad.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
I don't think I gave Derek too hard of a time I did.
It was the next one.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I didn't.
But, it happened I did.
I think I spent more time withDerek.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
House, I did too, which we had that special
relationship because he was oursergeant.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yes, Y'all kind of came up together, yeah, he was
our guy, so we had that.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
You know, you're our sergeant, you're not chief of
police.
Yeah, and then you know, Ithought I could get away with
saying more things than Iprobably should have, so I'm
sorry, derek, that relationshipchanges not a whole lot, but it
has to change a little.
Well, you just got to followchain of command.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I was going to chain of command.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I thought I could get away with what I used to, I
don't know how many times It'llland you in there.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
You learned as a rookie officer I don't care what
people say Until you get five,six years on the road, you're
still a rookie.
You're still learning every day.
I mean, I learned the whole 21years.
I was there, different things,yeah, but I remember, uh, one
thing was fun.
It wasn't real fun, it was abig learning experience for me.

(53:54):
Um, we had an officer previouslythat had gotten some trouble
and got.
He was no longer with us atthat time and everybody was kind
of scared on what you can doand what you can't do and how
you know when it come to layinghands on people.
You know, because in even inthe early 2000s it's Laurel
County is wasn't like Lexingtonin Louisville, you know, you

(54:19):
still had your use of forcecontinuum and you did follow it.
But you left one above and Igot a call one day of a TDOT was
working.
It seems like a lot of thingswere working with you, a lot of
things.
I was a magnet.
You're a black cloud.
We get a call of a stolenvehicle from Yadin's Auto Sale,
not the one they're at now, theone that used to be past the

(54:40):
park way down there.
So a guy was working there.
I guess he got fired.
But he left in a vehicle, oneof theirs, and he was drunk.
So we're out looking for him.
I find him on the parkway.
I stop him, go through all thefield sobriety.
You know he's tanked.
He's cool as can be.
You know he's tanked, he's coolas can be.
He's not giving me no issues.

(55:01):
Put him in the car and, justlike it does with 99% of the
people you arrest, once they getin the car, that's when they
start running their mouth,that's when they start trying to
push your buttons, trying toget you to do things, and you
know you can't because they'rehandcuffed.
So we get up to 3rd Street,we're waiting on the light and

(55:23):
he's banging his head on thescreen.
He's kicking, he's screaming,he's spitting, all in the car
and I pick up the radio and sayI'm going to need some help.
And we get to the PD because wetook everybody to the PD then,
because we booked them.
So Travis meets me at the PD.
I go to get him out of the carand as soon as he stands up, I

(55:43):
mean I have to reach in and grabhim, pull him out, and as soon
as he stands up, he spits in myface.
I've never had nobody do that tome.
It was a big loony and it washorrible and I just froze
Because at that split second mybrain I'm thinking, oh, what am
I going to do Going?
Because at that split second mybrain I'm thinking, oh, what am
I going to do?
Going through the options inthat split second.

(56:04):
I didn't even have that splitwhole second to think about it.
I just kind of looked to myleft and here comes Travis with
the flying Superman and nailsthis guy and when I mean nails
him, he just doesn't bend over,he folds him in half and he goes
in the passenger side of thecar, goes in the back seat and

(56:28):
smacks up against the driver'sside passenger seat of the car.
Never seen somebody hit likethat.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It was a palm heel strike, it was not a Well, I
mean, he just it was not closeto hand.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
He hit him and he went in and I was like he just
he's not close to hand.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
he hit him and he went in and I was like he just
made me look like a fool, youknow.
So I yank out the pepper sprayand I'm like I'm yelling, he
pulls me over, so it's mine.
I baptize him.
The pepper spray got in troublefor that supervisor yanked me
to the side and told me that ifI ever did anything like that
again, that's going to be me.

(57:02):
It's going to be getting hitlike that.
Yeah, I think it was.
It was Hawking, but I think hedidn't.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
He deserved it at that point.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I think it was mad at him for not letting me.
Why did Travis take your?
That should have been you.
I just reacted to.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
He was able to react quicker than.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I could process everything.
I was just like what is he?
He's just assaulted Dan.
I don't know what this guy'sdoing.
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
At that point, was that considered assault?
Third no.
It was just about there's a lotmore you could do once they
changed that to assault thirdyes, it wasn't covered that.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
It was just awful.
It was just a different world.
I had no idea.
People liked to fight like theydid.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
No, I didn't.
I hadn't really fought withanybody.
You know what I mean.
You tussle with a few, the guywe chased, we fought a little
bit.
I wrestled with a few, the guywe chased, we fought a little
bit.
But other than that most peopledidn't give me a hard time, the
drugs a little bit, but youknow they didn't really fight.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I never had to fight a whole lot either.
I mean, we got in fights andthen if we wanted to fight we
just sent Joey out on his own toa call, and that usually
instigated a fight pretty quick,a lot of fights.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Some people talk to people, some people it just
attracts, it gravitates.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
I didn't take things personally so I didn't talk to
people like it was a personalattack.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
I'm like your crime's not a personal attack, if you
work the road in london and youwanted a fun physical shift.
You needed travis dotson onthat shift or kenny jones,
because when they come out.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's like every day's a full moon yeah, I did not and
it wasn't anything.
I was like I.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I came out one day and remember the, the day you
come out, when you come to thePD with you and your family, oh
my, gosh.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
We used to have to come pick up our checks so I'd
drive in the minivan.
I got my little with me and I'mlike my wife and my little and
she was like I walk in there andI got flip flops on, I'm going
to get my check.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Y'all have somebody in booking.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
They had somebody, let them smoke outside.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
It was my guy.
He was standing there at thewindow, at the door.
I was watching him.
Travis pulls up.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I was like.
I know you, you're that man.
He started just dog cussing mein front of my wife.
I don't't know if he was cussed, I don't remember he was
smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
He was smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I'm like what is going on?
I draw back.
I'm going to punch this guyright in the face.
I look at my wife.
She's like no, she's likewhat's daddy saying?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
to that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I was like oh my gosh , it was just weird stuff.
I'd show up and be like I'm inflip-flops and just trying to
get paid and this guy rememberedI mean I policed really hard in
my younger days and everybodywas scared of that old guy and
I'm like pshh.
So anyway, that was just weirdstuff that happened.

(01:00:22):
I was like man.
But one of the funniest gosh,one of the weirdest times, was
down at the trailer park thattime and we just had.
It was just always some kind ofshenanigans that was going on
the bear, the goat, the bear,yeah the bear, so we've told the
bear story, but oh no.

(01:00:43):
Not from.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Danny's perspective, so I probably should have got a
Badger Award for this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You need a Valor, I should write you.
I will give you a bear award.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Thank you, you're welcome, as like the bear chaser
, the bear catcher or whateverthe bear whisperer.
So we get the bear loose inLondon and I don't remember
where I spotted that.
It was somewhere around JacksonStreet, First Street, somewhere
right in there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I was in pursuit of it.
I see it running.
We were looking for it overtowards Big Walmart or somewhere
.
Well, it had been over atWalmart but it got over on the
PD side.
I get behind it on First Streetand I call it out in pursuit.
I'm like, hey, I'm behind thebarrier on First Street, we're
heading towards PD.
Turn it on Jackson Street.

(01:01:31):
Then we got out because it wentbehind somebody's house.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
It was right there on Jackson Street.
I'm on foot looking for thething and I see it and it takes
off running and just thatinstinct of it's running.
I have to chase it like you doa perp.
So I chased the bear and Ichased the bear.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Me and Alan were not as fast or whatever.
We decided hey, let's not chasethis bear, it could eat us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
I was chasing a bear and he and it was running, but
not, I guess I know it wasn'treally afraid of me, right, but
I was running hard but it wasn't.
And about every six or sevenminutes it'd stop and look at me
and I'd get 10, 15 yards fromit, maybe closer sometimes, and
I'd stop and I look at it andwe'd exchange loving glances for

(01:02:28):
a minute what was you gonna dowhen you?
caught it.
I don't know, that was notgoing through my mind.
I was just trying to keep eyeson this bear and I could hear
him on the radio don't shoot it.
Don't shoot it because youcan't shoot a bear.
So I'm like I can't shoot it, Ican't do nothing with it.
We didn't have tasers in, okaycan you imagine a?
bear, but it takes off runningagain.

(01:02:48):
So I take off running again andI follow it down whitley street
and there are people outsidewatching me foot chase a bear
and I'm foot chasing a bear.
I think it was in the paper mechasing the bear.
Yeah, there's there's picturesof us getting a bear.
I think it was in the paper mechasing the bear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, there's, there's pictures of us getting
it out of the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
It was in the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It climbed up a tree it reared up on somebody, didn't
it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
was it reared up on me twice?
Yeah, and then it it ran up atree but it never would come
towards me.
I mean, I guess I wasn't afraid.
I'm pretty sure, I guess itlooked at me like what an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Back when we were young men in high school, when
the Chicken Festival firststarted happening, you remember
uptown you could wrestle thatbear Wrestle the bear?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Didn't Junior wrestle it once?
I think so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I'm pretty sure Danny's like I got this guy
Because this was a smaller bear.
I'm pretty sure that one wasbig.
I mean it probably went 200.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Oh, it was 300 pounds .
I mean it was a black bear, itwas a smaller size, but it was a
black bear and I probably in myyounger days, if it would have
tried me I probably would haveand got eat up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
He'd have been like the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Revenant, but it was so funny, he'd come by with his
jaw hanging off his eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
It was just so funny, because every time he'd stop,
I'd stop, hey bear, I mean, wecould just about smell each
other.
We're so close.
Oh, he stunk too, didn't he?
And he'd look, he'd just lookat me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
And I'd look at it and I'd be like, hey, we chased
this thing so long that thebiologist had time to get there
and we tranked it From LakeCentern or Frankfurt.
Yeah, I mean, they were enroute when it first started.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I mean, we chased this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Wow, so we did.
Stuart Walker did.
He climbed up there and he gotit.
I think we used a fire truck,he got up on the fire truck.
He got a good shot and then weput it on a board it was like a
board and carried that thing outof there and they loaded it up
in a biologist's vehicle andthey hauled it off.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
It made the paper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I don't mean the paper, I mean as it should.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
It smelled awesome.
Oh, it stunk that fur.
It was horrible.
If you ever get a chance tocatch a bear.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I don't recommend it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
I don't recommend it because there was a couple times
I thought I was going todeposit stuff in my pants.
Bring me my brown pants I got alittle pucker you and somebody
on a goat one time.
That was me and Darryl Kilburn.
It was me and Darryl.
It was an evening or nightshift, I don't remember.
It was late because the lightswere out and we get a call of a

(01:05:26):
goat.
You know, because stock salesin town always getting animals
cows, pigs, goats, and it wasthe old tacky apartments.
It was on the second level onthat little walkway they got
Like a little catwalk.
So I go up one side, daryl goesup the other, and our intent

(01:05:46):
was we can get close enough andwe'll grab this goat.
Yeah, okay, you know goats are.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
I'm not afraid of a goat, no, and they're fairly, I
mean docile.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I mean, they like headbutts or something,
unless you grab their heads andblow in their face.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
They don't like that.
Yeah, I mean they likeheadbutts or something, but
they're not going to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
They can't eat you and if they bite I'm sure it'll
hurt, but it's a goat, yeah.
So we're trying to hem thisgoat in, we're just both slowly
creeping up and this goat wouldrun towards me, then turn it and
run towards Daryl, then itwould run towards and it's like
not knowing what to do.
Well, all of a sudden, it'slike time stopped it, just time

(01:06:29):
stopped and froze.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
He took the blue pill and this was Superman goat or
the red pill, or this was likewhich one?
The Matrix.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Spider-Man goat, I don't know, matrix goat.
It took off running towardsDaryl, so I'm running trying to
catch it and then it just leaps.
But it don't leap off, it leapson the side of the building and
it's running sideways.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It was quite the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
It was quite the there's a great video of this.
I stop and I'm laughing already.
And then, as it's runningsideways, it takes like four or
five steps Unbelievable and itjust bounces, just bounces, like
it's jumping off that wholething and I'm like, oh.
And then Daryl, out nowhere,quick reflexes, grabs that goat

(01:07:15):
and he's hanging onto it andhe's trying to pull it back in.
It's like a jumper and I'mcackling, cackling and I have a
very obnoxious cackling laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Oh, it is and we had those body mics.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
We didn't have cameras we had body mics.
We had the car cameras caughtit all via disc tapes, and you
could hear me cackling.
I was cackling so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
It was a great catch.
I think Darrell should have gotan award on that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
He probably did because it was like something
right out of a film.
It was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
It was a great catch If I talked about getting run
over by the golf cart.
I haven't on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
No, no, I've not heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I did get an award.
I got a Valor Award for this.
This is embarrassing.
We're uptown at the when PoisonGuy.
What's his name?
Brett Michaels.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Brett.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Michaels is in town.
He's playing the ChickenFestival.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I was working for this one then, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
And the band was coming up beside.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Was this the DUI?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Band's coming up and Brett's inhis camper and I'm secured from
the crowd to his camperbackstage.
If you had to pass you had togo through me and Darrell.
So the band's coming and thedang golf cart, which is one of

(01:08:51):
those big utility golf cartswith the dump bed on the back,
big outfit, and it was heavyFound out.
So somebody, this nice lady whowas operating the thing, they
were delivering chicken dinnerson those from the big skillet.
So the giant skillet's overthere, right Right, there's a

(01:09:14):
big line of people over thereand the golf cart is parked
right where the band's coming in.
So somebody's like, hey, cansomebody move this golf cart?
She jumps on it, puts it inreverse, takes off, gets her
foot stuck, she's got it cut allthe way.
So it's doing donuts she getsher foot caught behind the brake
and her ankle's pressing on thegas pedal and she's falling

(01:09:39):
into the floor at some pointholding on to that steering
wheel screaming.
So it was like big skilletcrowd Brake Michaels RV, the
band, everybody, people, whoo,whoo.
It keeps going around.
You keep hearing her scream.

(01:10:00):
I'm like double-dutching.
I start getting ready to jumpin.
I'm trying to time this.
I bet it goes around five, sixtimes and I'm like I've got to
stop this.
So I jump in.
I didn't jump at the right spot, I missed my timing.
I catch that.
That rear end, that thing hitsme.
I jump.
Luckily I jumped up in the airbecause I jumped.

(01:10:23):
I was, oh, I'm in the wrongspot.
I was trying to jump in it likelike jump on top.
I got in there too soon and Ijumped up and that tailgate area
that hits me right in thethighs.
Spins, you, spins me in the airand I land perfect 10, boom and
everybody's there.
And then, darryl, he jumps inright and he's got her anchor

(01:10:46):
cranking it and turning thevehicle off and saves us and he
was like man, that was the mostyou know, the band's all coming
up to me, man, that one, thatwas the most you know, the
band's all coming up to me, man,that one what the F is that you
want to go meet Brent?
I said, oh man, I just need acigarette, I just want to lay
down and yeah, terrell's likeman.
That was the bravest thing I'veever seen and gave me an award

(01:11:09):
for that and I said let's notput this one in the paper, let's
talk about this one later inthe podcast remember the shower
curtain?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
But so chicken festival golf carts at one year.
Dps, give us those rhinos.
And we had a rhino.
Didn't have a, had the bars butit didn't have a.
It had a roof but it didn'thave any windows or doors.
Chickens Festival it comespouring the rain.
It was awful.
It was awful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
It was cold.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
We're riding around in the golf cart, because when
it's raining there's not a wholelot of people out.
So you're patrolling theperimeter doing a lot.
We're freezing to death.
I get an idea let's go to myhouse, because I just live right
down the road.
So we go to my house and mybathroom upstairs had a clear
shower curtain, so I take it offand I wrap our utility vehicle

(01:12:04):
in a shopping cart so we canstay dry.
But it was funny because hereyou got everybody else doing
their thing, riding around theirgolf carts with their windows,
and here we are with a showercurtain it fit in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
The chicken festival is a wild if you've never been
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
You need to go and then you're probably they
brought those.
They brought those cool bassfishing things in there we won't
say what fishermen did it.
This guy, this guy would uh,they was great fishermen, we'd
work at night shift and they'dgo down there and be like so
they just display all them thisguy be like this is the lure you

(01:12:45):
need and and fish wouldn't buyit because it's like the people
that go swimming in the wood andbass pro yeah, we.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I remember the first couple years of the chickens
festival.
You know, first couple that Iwent to.
When we get on the golf cartsand you know you got the ones
with the seats, you know theforward and the backward seats,
and then there's so many of usbecause everybody worked.
You wasn't allowed to takevacation during the Chicken
Fester, so everybody worked andwe only had three golf carts in

(01:13:20):
the two black and white ones andanother one, so the black and
white ones are loaded down.
We'd be standing on the back,holding on the top, leaning over
everybody, and every time you'dkids, most of the time, most of
the complaints you get.
So we're running on them, golfcarts going as fast as you can
go, trying to make them popwheelies while the person's
driving, and we'd slide in likea SWAT team in those golf carts

(01:13:45):
and just barrel off and take offrunning.
It was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
We always where we were on night shift, we always
tried to get on the night shiftdetail of the chicken festival.
I hated that man.
I hated that shift.
We always tried to get on thenight shift.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Detail of the chicken festival.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I hated which to be honest, I'd rather poop in my
hands and clap than work thechicken festival anyway I'm
pretty sure that nobody involvedin this story works there
anymore.
I think I can't rememberexactly who I was in it, but we
were having the chicken festival500, as we did every time we
done that been going on sincethe first Chicken Festival,

(01:14:15):
Whenever they got those golfcarts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
that's when that started.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Yep, and then we were on our way.
You had to go to Speedway toget them gassed back up.
Well, on the way to Speedway wethought, hmm, what would be
funny If we pitman over theperson in front of us.
So we do, and it destroys theback wheel of that golf cart.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Oh, that's what happened.
I remember that Nobody knewwhat happened, nobody said
anything, nope.
And now you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
You owe $14 for that wheel.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
That hubcap never would stay back on Nope, it
wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Those things run great, and I've got to think
about that.
Those golf carts are probably30 years old now, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Well, we hot-wired them.
Remember the old black truck?
We had the old Dodge truck.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
So it was a 4th of July detail, which is another
one you couldn't leave town for.
No, it is my anniversary.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
They told me and another officer to go get the
truck and the trailer and takeit somewhere.
I don't even know where we weretaken oh, to the DPS place
there off Slate Lake Street toget a rhino or something like
that.
So we hooked the trailer youknow, I've been mowing for years

(01:15:31):
hauling trailers and, you know,never think nothing about it.
So we put the trailer on, sowas the other guy, and we're
going down 4th Street and it'sjust bumpy, you know, and all of
a sudden we look over our leftshoulder and there goes our
trailer.
We're going down 4th Street andhere comes this trailer beating

(01:15:53):
us Down 4th Street.
It had the chain, it had onechain, not two chains, it just
had one chain on it.
And we're going down 4th Street, here comes this trailer and
we're like, uh, we get on theradio and we're like, uh, this
is going to be bad.
We lost the trailer, we sentsome units and had to hit a car.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
But how many cars have you hit?
A few so.
So danny was in the detective'soffice for most of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
I mean, there's a couple years, I think I had to
work with him on the road.
I got a better one.
Oh do you.
Oh, I got.
I got a very better one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Go with your five years were we off fto, yet I
know we were picking up new cars.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
No, you was not off FTO.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
So we were not off FTO.
So not only was we not supposedto be driving by ourselves
without an FTO with us, but theyhad sent us to go pick up new
cars.
Well, Danny, and the other guythat had went to the academy
with us, that was his FTO at thetime, and he elected to say
well, you drive one, I'll driveone back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
So we went to Don Franklin and it was my car.
It was a brand new Charger.
Went to Don Franklin me andthis officer to get it.
They had something with theconsole or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
And that's a big deal getting a new car.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
It was a big deal.
It was better than Christmasdeal, yeah, so we get it and
we're.
You know, we're driving downthe road and I'm looking at all
the cool buttons and, like Isaid, attention is not my strong
suit.
We've noticed that right.
So we're going down south lowerroad, coming back to the pd and
, uh, traffic's kind of heavy.

(01:17:33):
It's pretty heavy.
And next thing, you know, Irear-end my FTO, the officer I'm
training.
He's right in front of me.
I mean, I hit him and I hit himhard.
It totaled that car, it totaledmy car, totaled his car and

(01:17:55):
pushed his car into anothervehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
And we kept our spare tires in our trunks and it
pushed his spare tire all theway through his back seat.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
And me being me not thinking about what I say.
I get on the radio and I'mhollering for help saying 46th
out, 46th out.
It's radio and I'm holleringfor help saying 46 down, 46 down
.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
It's my fault, no trouble, for that one Don't ever
admit fault, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Yeah.
So another story, which youwasn't there TDOT wasn't working
.
This time it was a second shiftbeing a sergeant and another
one that I was working with.
It was juvenile day.
For some odd reason we justdealt with juveniles constantly
and I had one arrested and I waswaiting for uh orders to take

(01:18:40):
him to breath it.
Yeah, this was when we took himover here.
Oh, they had the old judicialcenter over here, so his parents
had came up there and they wereyelling and screaming at us.
It was a big ordeal inside thepd.
So I finally get tired oflistening and everything.
I'm done with the paperwork andI say, okay, get up.
So I get him up, I put him inthe back of my car, I put it in

(01:19:00):
reverse and when I pull out, youknow I'm mad, it's heated, so I
give it a little bit more gasthan I probably should have, but
still, I just smashed the rearend of my cruiser into their van
.
They were pulled up rightbehind me.

(01:19:21):
They didn't pull in a parkingspot, they just pulled into the
parkway and stopped and Idrilled the side of their car
with the juvenile in the car.
Oh no, when I said I drilled it, I caved in the whole driver's
side of their van and which itwas a Crown Vic then, so they
didn't really take that muchdamage, but it messed up my

(01:19:43):
bumper a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Buff it out and grab it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
I didn't even have time to say anything on the
radio because everybody heard itand they all come out of the PD
.
It was like 4, 30, 5 o'clock inthe evening, you know second
shift.
The major was still there.
Elijah just came in forsomething.
John rott was the lieutenant atthat time.
He was there.
My supervisor came out andwhoever is john whitehead, I'm

(01:20:06):
pretty sure, was working with meand I'm just standing there in
my car th working your shiftwith?
yeah, he worked with me aboutevery shift.
Me and him spent most of mytime together with him until he
got promoted.
And I'm just standing therelooking at everybody, the
parents, everybody.
They're all at the back door,just crammed at that little door

(01:20:30):
Supervisor which is Greg Lewis.
He's yelling at me, major'syelling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
The parents are yelling.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
The kid in the back is yelling and I just go.
Huh, Oops.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
I want a dude to ride a man ball on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
I'll see myself out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
The train's going by.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Remember, on the back side of the police department
there was this big, long blackmark about this size I remember
that there was a uh are youtalking about on the wall?

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
on the wall, yeah, I remember the black mark and I
remember the indention of a.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
There was a license plate indention yeah, on my
canine car I had a license plate.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
I always wondered where that came from.
That was me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I did that and the black mark was also me.
I did that in my 2004 Crown Victhat I hadn't had at all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
That was brand new too then Because I got a brand
new 04.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
The Davies is the reason we couldn't have nice
things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Hey, listen, I was you remember.
I don't know if you rememberthis, but when you the back way
out of the police department,there's a little ramp there.
It's elevated.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
It's better than it used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
When I first started, that little ramp was maybe six
foot wide.
It was awful.
You had to go off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
You could not go off that fast you couldn't see.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
And I remember getting high centered Like wheel
up there came off and drug andluckily it was I had you know
they were stout enough you couldturn my wheel the other way and
pop that off there.
And I was like, oh no, I'vescuffed this, you know, peeled
the paint off that.
I was scared to death.
I didn't report it, theywouldn't care.

(01:22:11):
But I was like so I went towalmart or somewhere, or a like
a somewhere, and bought somelike black touch-up paint and
there doesn't touch that mediacar, that, uh, that intersection
182, 25.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
we just got those push bumpers on the front of it
and I came through there alittle hot.
You hit that and those chargerswould sink.
When you hit with the shock AllI seen was and sparks.
I said I tore this thing offcompletely.
I got lucky it just tore therubber off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Danny gets in my cruiser one time running an FOT.
He's like, hey, I need a blackand white, I need a black and
white cruiser.
And I just listen.
I had a 09.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Crown Vic Great one, 09 Crown Vic that I drove until
18.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Because I worked a lot of school.
So they was like eh, so I lovedit.
I didn't want to trade it, butthey gave me a new Charger.
I just went and got it.
I mean, I just got it then he'slike, hey, I need a.
Uh, he's driving pickup trucks,so he's wanting black and white
to work, some fot detail, somespeed or, you know, write some
tickets out of it.
I was all right.
So I drove his home, he gotmine and he can't make his man.

(01:23:30):
You ran it through a ditch orsomething off the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
So they just had repaved 192 and the northbound
on-ramp from the 38.
So you know, when they justrepave it's a little higher.
We're used to Crown.
We had a Crown Vic just beforethat and I had a truck.
So I get his charger and I'mgoing to pull.
They were lower profiled thatand I had a truck, yeah, so I
get his charger and I'm going tolower profile, so I'm going to

(01:23:57):
turn onto the interstate and Iget a little too close to the
edge and I just slide right offyeah, there's a little plastic
piece underneath it.
It was dragging the ground justtoward the air dam and off the
front of his car I was mad.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I was like I mean, I was the last guy driving a crown
vic at the police departmentand I, I missed it.
I loved it.
But I was like man, I want oneof these fast chargers, they're
so cool.
And then I got one and I wentto get oil changes and guys like
man you know, underneath thisgot a bunch of broken closet

(01:24:34):
pieces and I was like, just ripthem off.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Yeah, don't feel bad I had to get under mine and cut
part of mine off with a knifeBecause it was just dragging.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I got tired of it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
They're way too low the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
I've never told anybody this story.
So when I was a detective I gotan exclusive.
This is an exclusive.
Nobody knows, except mydaughter, who was with me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
And all the people that are the millions that are
going to be listening to thispodcast Now that you're going to
be listening.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Ha ha.
I'm not employed, no more.
So I had that nice Dodge truck.
It was a 16.
Had the step rails on the side,very nice.
So I'd been working late and mydaughter called me and she's
wanting to go to her friends.
It's winter, it's cold, roadswere somewhat bad, but I was

(01:25:23):
like sure I'll take.
I got this truck and ain't nobig deal.
So I put her in the truck.
I'm going down south 25 becauseher friend lived off some road
off south 25 next to corbin.
Sorry, that was a big dinganyways.
So I'm taking her there and Ipass up the road because I
didn't know the road and shecould she's horrible with
directions, she couldn't tell me.

(01:25:44):
So just, there's like a churchright before the old amblet
squad place there on the left orsomething yeah so, anyways, I
go to turn around and it's darkroads are bad, you know and I'm
like I can't believe I'm takingyou, but I did, so I turn, and
when I turn I don't realize howclose I am to the ditch.

(01:26:05):
So the whole right side of thetruck goes off and hits that and
my front wheels off the ditch,my back wheels raised up, the
only thing on the road is mydriver's side front wheel and
I'm teetering.
I'm like what did I do?
And I heard a thunk so I waslike oh, so I had to put

(01:26:30):
four-wheel drive I take her toher friend's house.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Drive to get out of the ditch.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
I take her to her friend's house and I get out and
I go over to the pasture sideand that step rail is almost V'd
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Oh no, it's raised up .

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
I'm like I'm going to get fired.
I'm going to get fired, oh myGod, I'm going to get fired.
I just freak out for a minuteand then I'm like hold on.
I get up.
Oh my God, I'm going to getfired.
I just freak out for a minuteand then I'm like hold on, I get
up on it because I'm heavy.
I jump up and down on it acouple times.
It takes it almost completelyperfect, I just drive back home

(01:27:06):
and nobody ever noticed.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
And I'm like, huh, they can take a licking, I'll
tell you Sorry, Chief I don'tknow from experience, but I used
to do we used to do a lot ofDUI stuff.
So we got these new PBTs, thesweet yellow ones.
Oh, I did like it.
Well, I was real bad forleaving them on my trunk.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Oh no, how many did you lose they're pretty durable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Let's just say let's just say mine had a big on the
back of it.
It had a big tire mark acrossthe back of it for a while
they're tough, it was yeahlisten, I was, I won.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I won one of those, you know, the long ones that you
like, you'd hold up, and just,they were detectors.
They weren't.
They was like oh, I detect itjust detects there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I remember one at a safe schools or a DARE
conference we went to one timeand and the first thing I did
was leave that thing right onthe roof.
In downtown Louisville I wentto a ball game and they were
like, ah, it was like a raffle.
I was like I want something.
I thought it was going to besomething cool.
I was like I just wanted a hat.
I didn't want this.

(01:28:18):
Anyway, I put it on the trunkor on the hood.
Somebody in downtown Louisvilleprobably got that detecting
alcohol in there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
We had all kinds of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Our dare trips.
Yeah, we roomed on themtogether too.
We had some good golfing andgood times on those things yeah,
sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Sometimes one time was pretty bad, but we won't
talk it was.
It was real bad yeah we yeahguys, that's that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
The joy of this job is that you're just.
I mean, if it wouldn't, for theguys that you work with, the
job would suck for the most part.
Oh, it would have been horrible.
Yeah, it would have beenhorrible.
It would have been horrible.
But we've got all these greatstories we get to look back on.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
And there's some that still have a little animosity
towards me.
We're buddies, don't get mewrong.
I mean he still complains aboutit when we talk about it.
Most of my career, once I gotoff ftl, was on second shift.
Yeah, you know, and we all didshift bids back then still same
thing and I liked seconds, justbecause I just, you know it was

(01:29:25):
fun.
Yeah, you know, got into stuff.
So I got put on night shift fora little while and it was I got
.
We just had got promoted, or Icould say I was given promotion
because I was me and anotherofficer.
There was only two spots bydefault.
I tested when was three of usthat tested?
Okay, he backed out.
Travis backed out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I was on the task force.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
He went to the task force making better money, doing
better stuff.
So there was left in two spotsso they're like well, okay,
we'll give it to you all and Ithink I got it by default.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
You know, was it you and g it was me and g that's
what happened to me and cody.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
So, as being the low-ranking supervisor, see, I
don't think they ever reallyplanned on promoting me, but
they did and uh, so I got thatand I got put on that shift with
shadowing another sergeant andwe'll just say a bunch of things
happened.
Um, a bunch of stuff happened.
We had a lot of fun and got introuble a whole bunch, and I

(01:30:24):
probably didn't spend a year onnight shift.
And then they yanked me back,put me on day shift and put gary
back on night shift and he, hewas mad about that for a long
time he got stuck with us though, so I think he was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
He was no that was back when he got stuck.
Oh, was it me.
Oh yeah he was he was prettymad.
This was early because I cameoff that task force and got.
You know I promoted me andtravis hurley got promoted same
time later because I remember ustalking about I was like I
don't think he wanted to getpromoted there for a while he
didn't um because he got on dayshift and and that was pushing

(01:31:00):
him back to second shift yeah,senior patrolman day, it's kind
of a bittersweet

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
thing to get promoted because you go back to we were
me and derek were talking aboutthis today the greatest position
at a police department issenior patrolman.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, and I disagreed a little bit.
I'm like the third sergeant onthe shift working 6P to 2A, that
lost ball and had high weeds,that is better.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
And I did that for a couple years and I would just be
like, oh man, we did have someodd years where we were just
like supervisor, heavy on shipsfor whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
It just one of them.
Deals were like somebody godown on the task force and come
off of it, just things like that.
What happened?
Yeah, but yeah, there's just no.
You had no home, so you're justlike hey, guys, I'm here and be
an evening shift, your secondshift.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
I always got stuck with the new people, you know,
because nobody wants secondshift.
No, they either want day shiftor night shift.
Yeah, and the new guys mostyear, if your senior guys
couldn't get day shift, theytook night shift and not many of
them took second shift.
So I always got stuck with thenew guys and I think that's one
reason I got in trouble so often.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
No, it was fun.
It was fun, though the peoplethat wanted second shift would
really, I think TH really likedit.
He did, he did.
You and him had a good time.
We had a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
I remember it was snowing one day and it was me
and a couple other patrolmen.
I won't say their names, Iguess I can, it don't matter.
But we're snowball fightinglike usual, Like you know,
goofing off snowball fighting.
Well, I get them.
I get them really good.

(01:32:37):
They don't realize that I alsoput pepper spray under their
handles and their door handlesand their air dam in their car,
god.
So I throw snowballs at themand they chase me into the PD.
We hang out in the PD a minuteand then they're doing something
.
Well, I just leave and theydon't realize that I left
because they had like, on theback of their car they had like
seven snowballs waiting for me.
Yeah, so I go knock them offreal quick and I get in the car
and I haul off and I'm goinghome.

(01:32:57):
It's right at going home time,because I wasn't one to just
kind of hang around.
My wife always got mad at me.
Yes, that's true, you did getmad at me for hanging around.
So I went straight home andhere they come, just modocking
down the road.
They get out like two housesdown.
They think I don't see them,but I see them the whole time.
I get out of my cruiser, I'mwalking and I get right to the

(01:33:19):
door and here they come runningwith snowballs in their hand.
I opened the door and my maleboxer at that time I had two, I
had a male and a female he wasreally protective.
He wouldn't hurt a thing, hecouldn't hurt a thing, couldn't
hurt nothing.
He didn't have hardly teeth inhis head, he took out running
after them as they're runningdown the road.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
They flip out, throw the snowballs and run back to
their cars.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
So much fun, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Good old days it is.
Yeah, I got some stories.
I want to do a special.
It's coming up on TH's.
He's been gone almost threeyears now.
There's some stories we had onI love that old bear we need to
do a good one.
I miss him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
Yes, one of my best friends.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
It would be cool if we could get do that and then
get supporting heroes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Somebody come down kind of talk to yeah we're going
to try Get the word out withthem, because they were awesome
on all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
I remember when he got his first Jeep.
Every time he'd get ready to gosomewhere he'd call me Danny.
Can you come help me take thetop off?
Can?
You come help me put the top onor playing Call of Duty.
When he first got his Xbox andwe'd all get online and play
Call of Duty, he'd call me hey,how do you do this?
How do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
this.
How do you do that?
Oh man, he was he was so fun.
We.
We answered, you know, we.
I were some.
You know if I didn't work nightshift, I was on the second
shift, a lot like like that 6pto 2a, but we're not some reason
.
And he worked some third shiftwith me.
I remember we it was ChickenFestival time and we had this

(01:34:57):
guy.
He was rowdy, he would not comeout of his house.
He wasn't even in his house, hejust wouldn't leave.
And we was like man Travis, howare we going to get him out of
here?
I don't know if we've gotenough to arrest him.
We weren't sure what to do.
I was like he's going to haveto fight.
I don't know what's going tohappen If we lay hands.
He's going to fight.
I reached up.

(01:35:19):
All of a sudden this guy startsthrowing down.
He's like wow, resting, we getoutside.
He starts looking.
He's like did I see what?
I thought I seen.
I said what did you see, buddy?
He said you flipped him rightin the nose.
I don't know what you'retalking about.

(01:35:41):
Oh man, he got a kick out ofthat.
I said man, I didn't know whatto do.
And he said what made you thinkof that?
And I was like I got a twistedmind, I don't know, I don't know
.
Oh man, those people were sothankful to get that drunk out
of there.
He tore up their house and wewas like we had enough, yeah,
but we just I mean, that guy wasgoing to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Oh yeah, I was just like hmm, Wait until you get
Mike Holiday on here.
I asked him.
You can get Alan Harris or GregHill.
They've got some stories forTravis.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
We'll do a TH special .

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Derek has a bunch we need to honor him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I miss him every day.
It's been almost three years.
I know that he would get a kickout of when we was pallbearers.
We about dropped him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
I know he's looking down from the half and laughing
at us.
It's funny.
Now, it wasn't at the time.
But we were standing atattention.
I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I saw Gromit being tried.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Well, the look in Big C's eyes was when he started
losing grip.
It was just a look of sheerterror, nothing we could do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Oh, you know he got a kick out of that.
He had the greatest laugh ofall time.
I mean, yours was annoying, hiswas beautiful, his was good,
mine was just annoying.
He had that deep, deep.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
I miss him, and you never wanted him to get a hold
of you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
No, I'm sorry, big bear paws.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
I didn't get you.
Get a hold of you no I'm sorry,big bear paws geez.
Well, that's, uh, let's, we'lldo another one sometime, danny,
we'll cut it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
We'll cut this one off.
Yeah, we'll uh, we'll end itright here.
Um, got a few things coming up.
We've got, uh, gonna have kindof get out of police land for a
little while.
We've got, uh, a dispatchercoming up and we've got a
fireman coming up.
I mean I know everybody'sexcited about firemen, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Everybody Heroes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Hose jockeys.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
I did that for a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Oh Lord.
Technically Patrick was ourfirst fireman, but I think his
only qualifications is he walkedinto a fire department one time
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
He sat down at a meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Yeah, he sat down.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
he was on a roster for I've done it for a little
while he's probably on otherlists, like a month.
That was long enough for me,that's good, yeah, but uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
But yeah, danny, we've enjoyed it, thanks for
coming out we'll uh see, andthat's the thing we'll think,
we'll think of and stuff.
Oh, I'm still going through thestories.
Just write them down.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
It's crazy how these little talks it jogs your memory
.
Sometimes You're like holy cow.
I thought doing this to try tomake a million dollars that'd be
nice to get monetized.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
But I'm doing this because I'm not going to forget
it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Yeah, it's just good stuff and I want people to
remember it someday.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
And you guys out there listening.
I hope you all are enjoyingwhat we're putting out so far.
We've got an email address,instagram.
We've got our main webpage.
It's a little convoluted tonavigate, but if you want to DM
us on Instagram to navigate.
If you want to DM us onInstagram, our email address is

(01:38:57):
jujpod at gmailcom.
Right now, that's J-O-O-J-P-O-D.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
I didn't know we had one such thing.
This guy's the technical guy.
I just show up late.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
T-dots are Vanna White, me too.
T-dots are Vanna White about it.
But yeah, hit, hit us up, sendus some, uh, send us some
feedback, let us know what youthink.
You got some stories, yeah ifyou want us to tell a story or
something that you don't want,to, come on and tell yourself,
or something that you know,we'll read them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Change the names if you get, it would be cool to get
other agencies involved.
Yeah, we're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So there's a guy Doug has a buddy that is a retired
state trooper from Louisiana.
Oh, that would be cool.
That's going to come on.
We're going to have to do himremote, so I've got to figure
out the way to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
I've got a buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
This equipment can do it, but I don't know, I've got
a buddy from Michigan StatePolice that's ready to come on.
We're going to try and branchout some get you guys, some
other stuff other than just ourlocal guys.
Stay tuned with us.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Check us out on the police sign.
I did the police sign.

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