Explosive Pranks and Alligator Antics

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying on a
run of dim street light,laughing through the written
reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts, tales from the force
gone astray, caught up in thegames they play.
High speed chases gone awry,serious turns into pie in the

(00:23):
sky, just out of jurisdiction,left during the conviction.
All right, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
We've got another episode for you, just out of
jurisdiction, and we've got atreat for you tonight.
We've got me and T-Dot are back, of course which we're always
here.
You'll get tired of hearing us.
I'm sure you heard about theMill Street Monster.
It was talked about by DougThomas.
We've got the man whoencountered it here.

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He's dreamed about Bigfoot andyou've heard a lot about him if
you've listened to Willie Boardsand Baloney Skins already.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So, without further ado, we've got jesse williams
with us yeah, just so, jesse,and I'll go back from, I'm going
to say when did you startactually policing, like you know
, start like I guess you startedwith the sheriff's office at
laurel and went to the caddywith them, ended up at the
police department.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I started, I started in, so I I come up the hard way,
that's what I call it.
I guess it's the right way.
But I started riding.
You know they had a ride-alongprogram kind of a deal.
If you knew somebody and thesheriff signed off on it, you
could jump in the seat.
I started doing that in 2003for laurel.
So yep.

(01:47):
And then because I remember youriding with, like, uh, mikey or
tommy or somebody, then cominghere, daryl, and coming into the
pd sometimes and meeting you,yep, and then, um, I started
transporting, which is uh, whereyou would take prisoners to the
penitentiary or you'd take themto medical visits or you'd have
to go.
You know, if another countypicked up one of your guys that

(02:09):
was wanted in your county, you'dgo pick them up from that jail
and bring them back to the localjail.
I started doing that and then Iworked my way into courtroom
security as a bailiff and thenfinally got an academy date.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, that's the way that is going, the hard way,
because you're going from makingzero money just being a
basically see if I like this, afreebie, yeah To going in the
bailiff route and barely able tosurvive, and then, I guess,
getting an academy date andgoing I was lucky to do that

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because I worked the road awhole lot sooner than guys that
didn't work the road.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
So like I only bailed for like a couple months and
then we lost a guy to statepolice and I replaced him on the
road and at the time we had twoother guys in the police
academy so I literally had towork the road until those two
guys graduated the academy andthen I got to go to the academy.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Trial by fire again, it's still similar to that now I
think.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I still think they make you go CSO.
For the most part, I think so.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know, everywhere's different.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Some people make you go to the academy first Depends
on who your daddy is.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
There is a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
My dad was nobody.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I knew you from the sheriff's office and we
answered plenty of calls and thegood thing about night shift at
the police department wediscussed that was we all came
together and ate over at theBerkley Boy or something like
that and just had a ball and gotto know each other a lot and
that was fun.
That was some fun time policing.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Oh man.
So I worked Laurel, so until2007.
And then, you know, like me,and I mean there was like a mass
exodus, yeah, it was anelection turnaround, so they was
I don't know like four or fiveof us went to the PD, yeah,
Right, that's when you and Dougcame about the same day.
Yeah, so I think it was BuddyBlair, jerry Holland, doug and

(04:19):
me.
Yeah, we all come to the pd.
Doug come in january and I comein february, and um went.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I had to do the shift orientation thing for a while
yeah and then after that theydidn't put him on a full 13 week
back then, because like thatyou, you've placed more than me.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
You know, god, that was torture, yeah you.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You've answered way more calls and had a whole lot
more murder calls than I ever.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
It's all right, craziness.
That's the thing about.
You know, county police versuscity police is the county police
.
I mean, most of the time youmight be one, two men out.
You know that's it and you takecare of the vast majority of
things and you didn't have theluxury of having like a two or
three-man detective office.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that never made sense around here to me is that
those guys made so much lessthan we did at the city.
They worked way harder.
I mean, they worked their ballsoff.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I remember you know you'd have a $20,000 theft and
you know there wasn't adetective to call up and say hey
, you want to work this becauseof this amount of money.
You know, if I called adetective over or something like
that, yeah, it would have beensouth, yeah it would have.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I remember it was Patrick dispatching one night.
It was one of them guys.
You know we had a good dispatchshift too.
That worked with us, thatworked the county worked the
sheriff's office, you knoweverything.
They'd fire all that amuletservices.
And one night I remember jesse,he was in pursuit up in his
burnstead and on the countyradio they just kept on on the.

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I don't know, I'm gonna blamepatrick, I don't know, he's not
here to tell we'll blame him.
Yeah, I remember he got on theradio and was just giving this
big long ball and, Jesse, Icould hear him breaking in Break
, break, break, break, break,break, break, break, break,
break break.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I gave it right back to him.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I think he gets on the other side on the city
radio.
I'm in pursuit down here.
He's bursting.
Come on, patrick, won't shut up.
No never would shut up.
We'll blame Patrick.
Yeah, because yeah it wasobviously Patrick Long-winded
dispatchers.
Yeah, so give that longdispatcher.
He just woke up, that's what itwas.
Yeah, he just got there.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
But I remember I come to in 2007,.
Come to the PD, worked shiftorientation and then pretty much
went to night shift and I wason night shift for 13 years.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Ah, man, until you went to D units.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
No, I went to, I went to.
I ended up building someseniority up then, so I went to
day shift, senior sergeant, yeah, and then that was terrible.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I was going to say when I came on.
I think I got to work with youlike one year maybe.
On, nights On nights, and thenyou.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, he was kind of a staple.
He's like screw you guys, I'mleaving.
He was kind of the night shiftguy.
You always knew I was nightshift at the sheriff's
department too, when I rememberlike I knew his detective skills
and you kind of know what youknow and I was me and Gary were
probably super sergeants thenbefore I so I got shafted?

(07:27):
No, he did if I didn't want tocall, if gary, or I didn't want
to call out a detective, I waslike hey, jesse, we got a
stabbing right here and hey madea good detective.
I remember.
Do you remember when you gotdetective, I was also made
detective yeah, for a day, for aday one day I solved one crime.

(07:47):
One, one big caper, a stolenvehicle, walked back in there,
said this ain't for me I saidI'm out well, derek, derek, he
talked me right out of that one.
He's like if you, if you, uh,mess up.
And he didn't say mess up.
If you mess up the evidence,you didn't say mess up if you
mess up the evidence you'regoing to prison.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I was like huh, what?
Here's the keys to the federalpenitentiary.
And that's what I was toldwhenever they gave me the
evidence lockers.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And I think you were going to be over that evidence
side.
But he made it a point becauseI would have been partnered with
him and I was like, so I wenthome and I talked to Lisa.
I was like, hey, um, I'mreconsidering this take this
move here.
I think I'm gonna go back toschools.
I went right back in, toldDarryl I was like, uh, I think I

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made a mistake.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
We'll go tell Derek it's like okay before they
started.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
you know signing all the, you know all the accounts
over that you can buy, dope,open all that stuff.
I was like, oh my gosh.
I was like, derek, I made amistake, I'm going to, I don't
want this.
I don't want this, which whichI'm one for one as a detective
on case solves.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think, when you come along, I was a senior
supervisor on Natchez, yeah, and, man, we had an awesome crew.
I mean back in the day it wasme, you, doug Thomas, travis
Couch yeah, eric Staller wouldcome for a hot minute.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
For a hot minute, we had to kick him out.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
And you and Gary was our supervisors.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, and me and Gary would usually.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Man, we just had a ball.
We had a ball around each other.
We took care of business.
If there was something comingout, you had seasoned guys.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I remember my biggest thing was like Gary, it's Jesse
, it's Doug, it's Travis.
Why are we going to this call,unless they holler for needing
something?
And I remember I'm like Gary,let's not go to that.
He's like I'm just bored.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
I was like leave him alone.
I'm glad you hit on thatbecause I've got Dylan here too
and it kind of reiterates intomy leadership style, which later
on, whenever I got a fresh crewof young guys and I was senior
sergeant on that they had a hardtime with that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
They had a hard time with that.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, they had a hard time with a supervisor not
coming around.
And yeah, yeah, it was.
It was a different generationalthing, but we'll.
We'll touch on that, yeah,because it's hard.
It's like, okay, I've got guysthat's police way more than me,
even though I've been on just alittle longer than jesse doug's
been on for 10 years, longerthan I ever had.
Me and and Travis were aboutthe same and whoever else Eric,
of course he'd been.
You know, he was two classesahead of me in the police
academy.
How do you tell these guys howto, just because I've got

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Sergeant all of a sudden,because I've been there just a
little longer, how do you tellthem I know more than you, which
was I didn't.
Yeah, you don't.
I'm there solely to make surethey had the tools that they
need to do the job and then backpeople up.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right, exactly, that's it.
Right paperwork.
Call me if you need to hide abody or we need to fix something
Other than that.
You know what to do.
Do I need to?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
start a use of force because I we played a prank on
Gary one night over.
That one too.
That was great.
But going back a little bittalking about FTO and seasoned
officers, whenever me and DougThomas come to the PD it was
torture.
I mean, we had, you know, ourgrading skills, for the FTO

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program at the PD wasn't set up,I guess, for seasoned officers,
because it's like how's hisverbal communication and how's
his officer?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
safety skills.
He swears the best.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
How's his officer safety?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
skills Lacking.
And, yeah, I got hit for notusing my spotlight one night.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
And I was sitting here thinking like man, how long
does this last?
And you're not supposed to takevacation during that period,
but I ended up swindling themajor.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I need some time off from that idiot, I'm going to
kill somebody.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It's so hard.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It is.
You know, and I've never andI've changed agencies a couple
times since I've retired I'vebeen to, you know, Mount Vernon.
I went to Danville for a littlebit.
Not one time did I have to sitin a car with any of them.
They're like, dude, you retired, You're a 20-year guy and ours
was 15 weeks.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
We survived the FTO program and then we got out on
our own and we had a supervisorlike Gary and T-Dot, which was
just a blast.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's the best type of supervisor somebody who lets
you do your job Trust you andtrusts you and lets you.
It's not Not micromanaging youover it.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
We would.
I mean, we took care ofbusiness and we had fun and we
knew when to cut up, we knewwhen to be serious and I, just
looking back, that was some ofthe funnest.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I was thinking about that today when I knew, you know
, when I was thinking about whatI was going to talk to you
about today, I was sitting overat the parking lot and I was
like you know, me and Jesse, ourcareer are pretty lined up.
You know, I think, besides the,you know, night shift for a
long time, me supervising you,you becoming a lieutenant and

(13:06):
actually being my supervisor, itdidn't matter, because I was
like, I mean, when you got itand I did and I was like dude,
congrats, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I've got your back.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know I'm going to give you absolute crap because
that's who I am.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
You went to, I think you went.
Did you go to where?
I went to Mount Vernon, I thinkyou went.
Did you go where?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I went to Mount Vernon you went to Mount Vernon
for just a hot second asassistant chief, and then that's
whenever they promoted you, Igot promoted sergeant.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Well, we'll tell you how that went so we all test and
I know I know they'll love forme to tell you I was the only
one to pass the test.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's a hard test, man.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Doug Thomas was beside himself.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
You promoted over him .

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I whooped all of them in that room.
It was Randy and Doug oh mygosh, I forgot about that.
I don't remember who else, butI was the only one to pass the
test.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I could see him now.
I got my stripes.
How did he pass that?
How did Jesse?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
pass the written test .
Oh, he's cheated, he's cheated.
There's no way that fool did itbut I did, I forgot about that.
And I remember you know thechief at the time he come in the
.
Let me ask you all something inthis room Would it be fair if

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just one of you guys passed thistest and I promote that person
and you know he didn't tell uswho it was or nothing, and
everybody starts looking at eachother like I wonder if it was
you, or I bet it was you, it wasme.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And then they was like well, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
And then Stuart was like well, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
And then Stuart named me andeverybody just dropped.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We're like not that guy.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
This was rigged.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
I forgot about it.
A couple weeks later I pull upbeside Doug.
You know we're still nightshift and I wasn't sure I was
going to get night shift.
I think I had an inclination.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, I was night shift and lift, so that was the
open spot.
And then there was Daryl.
Yeah, daryl came down right?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, because Gary went to the detective's office.
Yeah, that's right.
And so I pulled up beside Dougand he said well,
congratulations you know how itgoes.
Don't think you're going totell me what to do.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Because Doug was my supervisor at the sheriff's
department and I was like my howthe tables have turned.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I have never seen that, but I knew better than the
mess.
I've never seen a place morecompetitive and get mad at each
other for a promotion.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
We still love each other.
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I mean every time, you know, I was like I'm a
three-year cop and I tested andpassed it and I can't believe
they're taking this 10-year copover me.
Yeah, I can't believe it.
I was like oh my gosh, I don'teven know how to please.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
The audacity of a rookie putting in for something.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I know right.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
It's so funny.
I got promoted and ended upgoing to night shift and it was
still fun, but there was a wholelot more.
It wasn't as fun whenever theyput the responsibility on you
your guys got to do this.
Your guys got to do that.
It took all the fun out of it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
It does, and it's not that it's just like I've got to
grow up here and be a I've gotresponsibilities.
Now.
This is terrible.
Bill's the pain.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
But going back, man, you know, when it was me, you
and Doug and Travis and all ofus on that crew, we'd pull
pranks on each other.
We would you know know.
If it was, we couldn't get outbecause it was snowing or
whatever.
It's movie night it was footpatrolling.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I bet we watched dexter they would make me climb
we learned how to be zero atnight.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I mean why why are we foot patrolling up 16th street
head ball forward?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
and you know well, I remember speaking of pranks.
I'm gonna let you tell the tellon me on the incident down
while we was cleaning.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I think you know I got to thinking on my way here.
I'm like well, I wonder whatthey're going to say.
You know what was my legacy atthis PD?
I said it would have to befirecrackers.
I mean without a doubt, it wasexplosives.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Because we're breaching.
He's a breach guy.
I mean absolutely, without adoubt, it was explosives.
Because breaching he's a breachguy.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
Uh, I would carry firecrackerswith me, like I'd have them in
my shirt pocket.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was nothing for Jesse to drive by you and throw
a firecracker in your window.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
I know you didn't Eric Stallard's living proof to
this day that you can survive ablast inside of a small space.
I mean, I pulled up beside thatguy one night, lit the fuse as
he was rolling down his windowand tossed it in there and drove
off.
All I seen in my rear view wasa flash.
Yeah, wait.

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So one night I had a pocketfull and it was a night that it
was slow and we have a.
It's like a detached garagefrom our city police department
and inside there it's a prettygood-sized building yeah, great
building.
In there we put some freeweights where we could lift,
there's treadmills and there'slike this, this big homemade

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work table and we'd work onthings and at night time we
would go down there and we'dclean our guns.
You know, and I think we'd beento the range recently and we
was down there, me and dougthomas got there yeah, y'all
were cleaning first and I sawy'all disassembling the pistols
and all that stuff, hadeverything laid out.
We was cleaning it.
Well, t-dot comes be bopping inthere and he's like, hey, what

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y'all doing?
I'm cleaning our guns, sarge,what's up?
Was you a supervisor?
I'm sure I think you were.
We're cleaning our guns.
He goes yeah, that sounds likea good idea.
So he bellies up to the tableand he gets his pistol out and
he unchambers it, takes the magand he's laying it there.
I elbowed Doug, who wasstanding right beside him, and I

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reach in my shirt pocket and Iget one of them, blackjack
firecrackers out Doug.
Just I mean, you could just seethe joy come over his face.
I lit that fuse and I droppedit between my legs and kicked it
under the table and we'resitting there and I go back to
cleaning my pistol and Doug'scleaning his and I'm like you
know there's at least two seconddelay.

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I'm like what?
Oh man, there's a dud.
All of a sudden bow T-Dot wasin the middle of taking the
slide off the frame of hispistol and he slings that and he
backs up about 20 feet and getsin a Krav Maga stance and his
eyeballs are as big as saucersand me and Doug Thomas was on
the floor.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I was, I don't know.
I thought I'd shot him, Ithought I thought the gun, I
thought my, I was like I don'tknow how I mean the slides.
The slide's coming off and I'mgetting ready to take the barrel
.
I think I was taking the barrelout of the Glock.
I think we was on Glocks bythen, I can't remember.
Is it that, sig?
Either way, the barrel wascoming out and this thing

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explodes underneath my feet.
And man I've never been.
I think I had to go home andchange my drawers.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
And I didn't know what to say.
I was like I think I justwalked out at one point.
I was like what If he was?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
a cat with nine lives .
I took two.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
That scared me to death.
It was hilarious.
Afterwards you know you'reseeing them, guys like.
Well, the reaction is they'restarting to laugh, but I'm like
I've shot him.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I was crying, doug was crying, my ribs hurt.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
The other thought was somebody's shooting at us from
behind or something I didn'tknow.
I'd lost all faculty.
I was not, I was in thatcondition.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
You just knew you'd been ambushed.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I went from white at a safe space.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I jumped all the way to the black and I blacked out.
What these guys don'tunderstand, though, is I was
conditioning them, you know,yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
We on alert all the time and I was not.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I would pull up beside.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Because that was the first time you got me with one.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Oh yeah, I got beside Richard Reynolds one night.
Same thing Pulled up to him,like I did to Eric Stallard.
You know we'd pull up, you knowfacing opposite directions, and
we'd roll down our windows atthe top at night.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Two and up is what we call it, two and up.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
And I two'd up beside Richie one night and I think he
had that gut feeling.
I was up to no good because heseen the spark of the cigarette
lighter and heard the fuse and Iwent to toss it.
By the time I tossed it he hadalready climbed out of his
driver's seat and was up betweenthe two cars outside of the car

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by the time that thing went offin his cruiser.
So he was conditioned redalready.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
He was ready.
He was ready to move.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
He was on alert, so he just pulled up.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
So a couple years later they come out with the
snap pops the same size of theblack jacks, but you throw them
down like a snap pop, and it'sas loud as a.
Oh my gosh, oh man, I had somuch fun with them, my wife
banned me from them.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Man, I remember the days where it'd snow a little
bit.
We'd do that, but then all of asudden you walk outside and get
drilled with snowballs.
Hey, you remember Snowball thot?
Oh my gosh, and I think theyput rocks in them.
I remember now, just whilewe're sitting here you remember
the time you threw the alligator.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Oh yeah, I got the video.
That's awesome.
Oh yeah, I got the video.
That's awesome.
So we're riding around onenight.
So is busy.
We're bored out of our mind.
The dispatch tries to give SO acomplaint.
You know SO.
Units North End, Go ahead.
London, we're swamped.
Complaint of an alligator inthe middle of the road at

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Walmart.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, it was an industrial park, industrial park
, and I, before you say that,I'm thinking gators, like they
used to call that the wheels,the tires that blew off the
retread.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to run up there and
get that.
I'm close, I'm West 80.
I'm going to run up there andget that.
So I'm headed, and it's out ofthe city limits, but I'm headed
up there.
I pull into Industrial Park.
Sure enough, there is afour-foot alligator, a real
alligator, in the middle of theroad.

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It's dead, though I didn't know, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
So we do find alligators up here.
Patrick is not the only one.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
So I get out of my cruiser and I walk back to the
trunk of my car and I get theMossberg 590 out, just in case
this thing wants to get wild onme.
Walk up to it, it's dead, it'sdeader than a doorknob and I'm
like well, what am I going?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
to do with this thing .

Speaker 4 (24:06):
First concern was does it stink?
And if it, doesn't stink, I'mgoing to have some fun with it,
exactly.
And so I throw it in the backseat of my cruiser and I'm like
what am I going to do with thisthing?
Oh man, this is once in alifetime chance.
What am I going to do with thisthing?
So I take it to the PD and Iprop it up by the back door.
So as you open our booking door, you walk in, you just about

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step on it and I get my little.
I had a cell phone then and Iput it on record and I'm sitting
there at the booking desk andI'm recording guys as they come
in, just to catch their reactionto it.
One of the first one ends wasTravis Couch, and I think the
second one in was you.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, because he'd sit down there at the other desk
and was Travis Couch, and Ithink the second one in was you.
Yeah, because he'd sit down atthe other desk and was waiting.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
And you walked into it.
So there's a four-footalligator waiting on these guys
to walk into the back door, andtheir reactions were priceless.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
About another time about how to go change.
But I think that one scared meas bad as the, because I
remember the call, but I swear Iwas thinking it was a retread.
Blew off a tire and I don'teven remember the radio.
Traffic we might have got busy,but to see an alligator, a real
alligator sitting there lookingat you.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
We don't have alligators, no.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So, it could have been a dragon.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I think it was After we had our fun with it.
I'm like now what?
Now what do I do with this thing?
You know, if I throw it in thedumpster behind the parking lot,
that's a memo.
Yeah, absolutely, who threwthis in the dumpster?
So I'm contemplating on what todo with this thing.
So I'm like, hey, we've gotsome woods in the city limits,
so I'll just go chuck it in thewoods.

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Well, unbeknownst to me, thosewoods was turned into like they
was trying to do whatever outhere on this little area.
We got it's a 229.
They was trying to make like alittle kayak oh my god, like a
little um had a creek wetlands,they widened the creek in there
and there's supposed to be likekayakers and people can do a

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little walking nature trailthing.
So I pulled down in therewithout getting stuck in my
cruiser, grabbed that gator andtossed it out in the woods, you
know, mother Nature returnedback to the dirt.
Well, I think some hikershappened upon it again and fish
and wildlife come out there.

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This was told second hand to me.
But fish and wildlife come outthere, and big and big.
How did a gator get?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
we don't know how it got up really, how did?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
it get up to here, anyways it's.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I think it probably hitched a ride on like a truck
18 truck.
Yeah, an 18-wheeler got up intothe bed or you know, like a
flatbed or something, got lodgedin there or something, yeah,
and then, whenever it made thatsharp curve into the industrial
park, slung it out.
That's where it went.
Yeah, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's like a present from above so we have Gators cut
off at about what Georgia, somein North Carolina I know I've
seen them do, which they allswear that we've got them in the
lake, maybe out west, but I'venever seen.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
No, I've never seen it, it's too cold up here.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It's cold today.
That's crazy, though I've never.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I still show the video.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Oh my God, I need to see it, we'll have to post that
one on there.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I think my eye.
I was just like I froze.
It's another one of thosethings.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
What makes it even better.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
It'd be better if he had a firecracker under there.
I would have went on to see theLord.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
We had an officer that had a very distinctive
laugh and in the video you canhear him when T-Dot comes into
the back door.
He's that loud, cackling laughthat he had.
That's what makes it good too.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Oh my gosh, it scared me to death.
Speaking of wild critters andmonsters we mentioned, on the
last one with Doug about the Ithink he called it the Mill
Street monster.
It was definitely a Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, no, that wasn't Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
What was it?
What was this?
This mythical creature thatlives close to my house?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
I don't know.
I was too chicken to go find it.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
How would that call come out though?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Doug Thomas got so mad at me.
He would say you know whatYou'd fight a buzzsaw, but
you're scared of a haint.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, I said absolutely Absolutely.
I've heard him say that ahundred times.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
But we get a call one night.
A female calls dispatch anddispatcher relays it to us about
a female driver turning downDixie Street.
Sees a not sure what it is,other than it's.
It's a white with a black dresson and long black stringy hair

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over its face.
It's a female and it's standingin the creek.
Right there as you go down overthe hill and to a curve, we
have like a little creek thatruns through.
It's not I wouldn't even callit a creek, it's's more like a
drainage ditch, yeah, kind ofWhenever it floods out, sure you
can call it a creek.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It gets going, then I got a story about that too.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
But it's supposed to be standing there.
But what made it worse was Ithink he was assistant chief of
the rescue squad or somethinglike that at the time.
He's in the area and he comesby and shines a spotlight on it
and it takes off running back upthe creek and he's advising
dispatch of this traffic whileit's going on and I'm en route

(29:32):
to it.
So whenever I heard that, I waslike I'm signaling I'm not
going to do that?

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
So you never laid eyes on it?
No, but.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Doug me and Doug was working and Doug's like a, you
know he's headed to me and Iknew he was coming to me because
in the city you were talkingabout backup the other night.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, we was only two minutes away from each other.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, two minutes away from each other and a call
like that.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Everybody's coming to you.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, everybody's coming to it, so I knew.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Most everybody.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
So I stayed just in the outskirts of that area until
we call him Bubba, until BubbaDoug Thomas got there and then
he pulls up.
So there's like what is thatstore there, travis?
It's like a drug rehab now,yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
It used to be Ken Smith, the old mayor, used to
own it or run it.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
It used to be like a little five and dime, an old
brick building, a storefrontkind of a thing, and the
backside of that it drops offpretty sharp and that's what
makes that drainage ditch.
Well, I see Doug pull up to thestorefront part of it and I
pull up and I don't even get outof my car.
I pull up beside Doug and I'mlike, hey, what are you doing?

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He goes I'm going to go seewhat this is.
I said you're crazy.
So I said, okay, dude, you know.
More power to you there, bud.
And so I back out and I go theroad.
I stay on the road in mycruiser.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
So if I do see it, was it heading back up or like
heading down towards the newpark?

Speaker 4 (31:11):
It was headed towards up the creek, like towards.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Hill Street.
Okay, okay, I got you.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Man.
So that's what kind of gave methe eebie-jeebies was, whenever
a rescue dude says, yeah, Ishined my spotlight on it and it
took off running up the creek,and so the image that come to my
mind was that thing on ring,yes, that possessed thing that
comes creeping down the stairs.
Backwards up, that's what shedescribed to me, except for the

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black dress.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
The black dress, and that's what she described to me,
except for the black dress.
I'm good on that, the blackdress and I'm sitting here and,
of course, we listen to.
Coast to Coast, oh yeah, andyou hear all them demonic man we
were our own worst enemy on thenight shift.
Listen, if someone wanted tofight and drunk and tearing up
property, we was all there, yeah.
But if it was hey, I hearvoices in my bedroom we ain't

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going.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
We're not going, it's hard to fight a ghost.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
You can't.
They've already won.
They've already whooped me allover the place.
We would do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
You'd get yourself all worked up.
You'd be listening to all thosestories from coast to coast.
We had nothing.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
You've heard every song on the radio.
You've heard talk.
Radio became our thing.
It was something that everybodywould be like hey, coast to
coast came on it.
The rerun came on at like 11,the new show came on at 12 and
we listened to the two hour,whatever it was, and then talk
about it.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
That was yeah, and then we go in about you listen
out.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
What do you think about that?
You know, some of them are dumb.
Some of them are really good,very good yeah.
And it just depends if you hadthe UFOs or the Bigfoots.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
A couple weeks later.
You know, we never did find it,doug never found it.
And listen, doug was down thereright on the creek.
I mean I think he was turningover bushes trying to find this
thing.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
He was determined, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
If he probably would have caught somebody down there,
he would have tried to put themin my cruiser.
No, yeah, ah.
But I think like a week laterwe had a woman call and she just
got off work at the hospitaland she comes home and she finds
I don't remember if it was herhusband or fiance, or, and she

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couldn't wake him.
So she's calling for anambulance and there's alcohol
over.
You know, alcohol poisoning.
And so second shift guys getthere and they say, hey, we
found your thing.
Yeah.
And so the fiancee, whatevershe says yeah, he gets drunk, he
wears my dresses and he walksaround at night.
Yeah, true story.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
He was possessed by something.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, and so this cat gets drunk, puts on a black
dress and goes and stands inthat little creek and scares the
living daylights out yeah, ohmy gosh there's usually an
explanation that's classic

Speaker 3 (34:10):
yeah wow, we've seen.
But you know that's the weirdcause that we get.
And then some of them some ofthem were like unexplainable
stuff smoke coming out ofchimneys.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Uh, faces, that you're like a little girl oh
yeah, there's some things thatwe little girl talking to you
kind of a deal, yeah, we're good, yeah, yeah, I gotta go home
right now.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I'm getting scared.
Now I gotta have Derek on forsome of those.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Haunted ones on there , the Sasquatch deal.
Was another, I guess.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I touched on it, but I wanted you to, I guess it was
a coast to coast episode orsomething.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Anyway, I think that's when Finding Bigfoot Got
real popular, the Discovery showor whatever.
But I think I was up late onemorning when I got off work and
watching one of them FindingBigfoot shows or something.
But me and T-Dot lived close toeach other and we lived in the
prettiest area, I think in thecity limits.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh yeah, it's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
It's wooded but it's right in the middle of the city
and I lived up there at the SubBennett College and the old
president of the college's housebeautiful house and there was
like a what's that thing in theback, my backyard called.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
They build a nature, preserve like a walk.
What?

Speaker 4 (35:29):
was the building.
Oh yeah, what do they call that?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh gosh, they have them.
Shelter houses back there.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
There's like a picnic shelter house there.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
There used to be tennis courts for the Sue
Bennett College and he built anice.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Like a gazebo.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
No, his shelter house , a big one, a fireplace.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, a rock fire pit , real nice.
But that was probably aboutmaybe 50, 60 yards from the back
of my house and in between itwas just yard, know yard, and it
goes over.
Both sides are surrounded bywoods.
Yeah, and I, I mean, I feltthis dream felt real.
I remember standing in my son'sbedroom, for whatever reason.

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I was looking out his bedroomwindow which looks at the
shelter house, and you know I'mjust enjoying the view out my
that bedroom window well, howthe edge of the woods from the
left walks out a bigfoot andhe's doing that classic patty
walk.
That's right was he blurry no,he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
He wasn't blurry, he was in clear focus and I'm
sitting there like, oh my god,what is that?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
that's bigfoot.
So the only thing that come tomy mind was finding a gun.
And I'm looking around,whatever reason.
I'm going through my son'sdresser like he's got, like it's
like it's an arsenal in thereor something.
Well, I find a gun.
I don't remember I had, but bythe time I took my eyes off to
look for a gun.
And whenever I look back upthrough the window, bigfoot is

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swinging about asix-and-a-half-inch stainless
steel shiny .44 mag.
He's just swinging it and helooks at me like uh-uh, no sir.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
So you don't want none of this.
Muggs, you don't want none ofthis.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
And so.
I laid the gun back down on thedresser and I watched him go
into the other side of the woodsand he was gone and I woke up
like a nervous wreck.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
So I guess we'd work shift.
He said you ain't going tobelieve this dream.
And he told me that and, man,to this day, it's one of the
greatest dreams.
I love to interpret that.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yes, I don't know why I said T-Dod.
You won't believe this, butthat thing was swinging a .44
mag.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I could have believed it until the .44 mag and I was
like, oh, that's that thing thatlives down below us.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's one of those night shift not enough sleep
dreams, oh man, because, whoknows, that's one of those night
shift not enough sleep dreams,oh man.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
What about the pig that you finally killed?
That was on the run for like 10years.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Now that one freaked some people out and that pig, my
neighbor.
I just got off shift, I come in.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
How did it get there?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Listen, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I guess it escaped from the stock sales.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, stock sales was right, real close to our house.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And that's a common occurrence.
They get loose Animals gettingloose.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
We are some animal-killing fools in this.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
We have to because you've got to keep them off the
big roads we ever get AndrewLawson on here.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I've got a good video of him trying to lasso a pig
over in the cemetery.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
So back in Sue Bennett's property.
I would say Sue Bennett's got80 to 100 acres itself.
Then you've got First Baptist.
They've got 50, 60 acres.
I mean you're talking abouthundreds of acres.
Most of it's wooded, that'sthere and grown up.
Deer, I hear coyote, I meanwe're dead center of town and

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and, uh, deer, I mean it'sbeautiful.
We got everything and all of asudden my neighbor comes over
and he's like, hey, there's a,there's a giant pig just attack
my dog.
I'm like what?
And then I was like, oh yeah,they get loose.
Well, this one's been loose fora while and she'd kind of gone

(39:18):
feral.
I mean, she was a sow, big, big.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I didn't believe them at first, when I looked over
there.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Like not a pot-bellied pig but one of the
big ones.
No, no, this was Like a farmpig.
This was probably domesticated,but it had been in the woods so
long and we chased this.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I remember seeing piglets back in the day.
Yeah, like, oh my gosh, they'regoing to grow up, so this pig
goes over.
And I just changed over, like Ihad on sweatpants and like
threw a jacket on and I see it.
I'm like, oh yeah, so I run,hit my trunk, release on my car.
I'm like shotgun or rifle.

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I'm like I look and I see it Isaid rifle.
So I grab my rifle out of mytrunk, of my cruiser, and I
start chasing it.
It gets up in the field, likewhere the baseball field is, and
I'm like I got a shot.
And this is like February, it'scold outside, yeah, and I'm
like you know, I take aim andthere's some people out there.
I was like what are they doingwith a dog?

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And the pig's attacking theirdog.
I'm like, this pig hates dogs.
So we get chasing the pig allthe way up.
I'm in full-blown foot pursuit.
I'm on the phone callingdispatch, like, hey, I got a big
old pig.
So we run up to the soup in itand they are having swim
practice.
Uh, they use the pool there forthe both the high school uh

(40:41):
teams were using, so this soupin it and I think the crossfit
gym was going on.
So you have, I don't know,there's probably 50 cars in the
circle, plus there's some otherbusinesses up there and it's
circled and I'm like, oh, mygosh.
So I chase the pig, I corner itand I'm like, oh, I'm like too

(41:02):
close, too close.
So I back out and I chase it alittle bit farther.
By this time Matt and I thinkJustin Hopkins get up there and
we get down there close to yourhouse, to the shelter house, and
it turns sideways and and peesand I just bust it.
You know, dropped it.
I was like mountain, you know.
I just I had there's a pictureof me posed over top of it like

(41:25):
I got the pig.
You know I was uh, but uh, youknow I was like, oh my gosh.
So it took, it took four of usto load it on the back of this
guy's truck.
I wish I'd have kept it, butRick was like, hey man, there's
this guy that takes all our deer, all this stuff, and he's
feeding family, so I was likeyeah give it to him.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So we gave it to him.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
But it took four of us to load this sow.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
She was a monster and throughout the years we'd get
complaints.
You know sightings, you knowhere it's attacking my dog, or
hey, this is in my yard, yeah.
I took it down Years and yearsand finally he sees the
notorious PIG.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Worst part, the owner of the property, our good
friend Jim.
He comes to me later.
He said man, there was somewild pig farmer up there chasing
his pigs around and shot itright up there in front of
everybody.
You know that they put thosekids in lockdown when they saw
me running around which I wasn'tin uniform.
And here I am, slung chasing apig around and I freaked all

(42:28):
them parents out.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I was like I could see that.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, yeah, that was me, I was a sailor one time.
After a pig, some crazy farmpig farmer chases, wildlife
period, uh, but I I got.
I mean we've blessed theirhearts.
It's just not safe to have.
I mean it's not our fault, youknow, but things just happen

(42:53):
because we have major roads,yeah, and I couldn't imagine At
one time we had two runningstockyards.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And I mean you're talking about 1,500-pound bulls
getting out.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, and cars just.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
T-boning them.
We've had it.
We had a fatal one time from ahorse.
Yeah, you know just things likethat.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
That was the yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
CSX.
One time I think I was on thephone with every uh big wheel of
CSX from Pennsylvania orsomething like that for one
night.
Uh cow got loose and it wasalready on 4th street.
Come off 4th Street, went upRoosevelt Street, cars missing

(43:37):
and all that good stuff.
Well, it gets on the traintracks.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So, now you're having to stop trains and try to get
them.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
yeah, Anyway, dispatch is on the phone with
CSX trying to get the trainstopped, and I'm in the area.
So I pull up on the overpassHal Rogers and the railroad
tracks and this train stopsright on the overpass Hal Rogers
and the railroad tracks.
And this train stops rightunderneath the overpass and it's
got that big floodlight andit's lighting up all the way
down the tracks back towards 4thStreet.

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Well, in the middle of thetracks I see this calf coming
I'm talking it's probably abouta two-year-old big black as
midnight and it's walking up thetracks.
At the time we didn't haverifles, I had a Mossberg 590,
and it had rifle sights on it.
So I lean up on the overpassand I wait for this calf to come

(44:27):
off the tracks and step.
You know what are you going todo if I drop it right in the
middle of the tracks.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
How are we going?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
to move that.
So I wait for it to get off thetracks and as soon as it starts
going up the hill back onto theroadway, I drop it.
And about that time I look downand the engineer of the train
is looking back up at me and Iwave at him, I put my shotgun
back in the trunk, I give adisposition to dispatch.
You know, hey, it's there onthe side of train tracks.

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If someone wants to get it, letthe stock sales know and I
leave.
About an hour later they'recalling for a city supervisor,
which I supervisor that night.
They're like, uh, I think Ithink my unit number was like 8,
15 at the time or 815 calleddispatch, all right.
And they're like uh, we've gotsenior engineer, we've got the

(45:20):
director of such and such withcsx and somebody else on the
phone wanting to talk to asupervisor.
And I'm like, yeah, okay, sothis big wig from pennsylvania,
like we want to know why theofficer put my engineer's life
in danger for shooting from anoverpass.
And I was like, oh no, you meanto tell me this guy's sitting

(45:42):
in a 100-ton train and he'sworking.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
He said you scared my engineer to death.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Man, those guys go through stuff.
It's on telling what they sayand they're going to be afraid
of that.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
But I had to convince them at no time was there
engineering danger of meshooting from the overpass that
public safety was more at riskif that thing got back on Hal
Rogers Parkway.
And it dark and that thingmidnight black.
It would have been a 46 forsure, oh yeah, but you know,
know, you just never you had todo what you had to do whenever

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they got loose like that.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
So yeah, I've chased, bull me and me and eric
wilkerson and ryan jacksonchased one and it got over to.
I mean it ran all over and wegot up in South Laurel High
School's press box on top andwas ready to from a high

(46:43):
elevated position To go to work.
Yeah, going to work up there,but luckily, I think, a ground.
Somebody on the ground was ableto take it out, but it's scary.
It's a traffic hazard and it'snot our fault.
We don't want to do that.
It's just part of the jobsometimes, because I've seen
what they've done when a horsegot flipped over and landed

(47:05):
inside the back of a car.
It's just dangerous, it's scary.
So it's really, really scarystuff.
What else you got for us so?

Speaker 4 (47:16):
it's really, really scary stuff.
What else you got for us?
Uh, you'll have to.
What's some things that you'veheard?
Maybe the statute oflimitations out of it.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
I'm scared so you're working.
You work with me now againdoing school stuff, and then
also also you do a littlepart-time stuff up in the big
rock where Doug was at Rock cast.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
And you know, that's kind of funny because it seems
like throughout my whole careerI never could get away from Doug
Thomas.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
He's just following it goes where it goes.
I love him to death.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
I love Bubba but yeah , I got out of law enforcement
for about two years and I wasmanaging a gun store local gun
shop here and we have an indoorrange where law enforcement come
and shoot.
They qualify, you know.
They can be indoors wherethey're not laying in the mud or
spitting snow and all thatstuff Perfect.

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Yeah, it's nice Great greatrange and Rock Castle come in
one time and we knew the chiefdeputy that works up there.
He used to work at London PDand he's like, hey, what are you
doing?
I'm working here, he goes.
Well, if you ever wantpart-time or whatever, come up
and talk to the sheriff.
Well, we could use you.

(48:34):
You know part-time or whatever,come up and talk to the sheriff
, well, we could use you.
I'm like I'll think about itand um, ended up piquing my
curiosity and I missed it.
You know, you missed yourcamaraderie, law enforcement and
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So I was like yeah, okay, I'll go back.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I'll work, you know, one or two days a week, nothing.
Get my certification back upand in service and all that and
ended up.
I think maybe may this comingmay will be two years I've been
there, so it's a good place.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It's a rock yeah it's laid back.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Sometimes I'm the only you know I'm back in the
summer.
I'd I'd be the only unit out,you know sometimes yeah, they
were struggling for guys for alittle while.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
The people up there are so good.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
They really like law enforcement.
Still up there, they're reallygood people.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
So I say it's 20 years behind.
And it's not really 20 yearsbehind, it's just their tax base
is not what london is.
So it's it's different for likeme and t-dot to go up there and
work, because we come from anagency that had like a three
million dollar operating budgetand I go to an agency that has
like a five hundred thousanddollar operating budget.

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So things are a littledifferent, you learn to do with
that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Some stuff in london, I mean going to in-service.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
We never lacked for nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Going to in-service or going to?
The academy with some of thoseother agencies.
They're like it must be nice.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
But you go to another agency that doesn't have that
tax base to afford the luxuriesand it's an eye-opener.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
It would be like us going up to Boone County or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, it's a but the people are so good.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Danville shocked me how much more their tax base,
their budget, was so much higherthan London's.
I was like, wow, I thought Icame from a rich department.
You got that.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
But the people are great, you know.
They sit on the front porch andwave at you.
They stop, they speak to you.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
They don't flip you the bird they wave.
Still one of those good oldcountries.
Yeah, they're good.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I like policing up there.
That's good.
I remember hearing stories Dougwould tell us at night about
Pongo and places like that Is hefrom a little area called Pongo
.
It's the Pongo Mongrel rightthere he is.
But I would drive through theseareas and I would reminisce

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about stories Doug would tell meabout, like Copper Creek and
places like that, and I'd go seethem firsthand and be like you
know what Doug was right thisplace is wild yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
The Little World's Fair up in.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
The police in the fair is great.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
The people are great.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Broadhead's got the Little World's Fair Little World
and some of the best littlerestaurants.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Marcella's oh man, Marcella's is great.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, I enjoyed working up there until you pee
your pants.
Well, you know, I'm seeing apattern of you having to change
underwear and pants.
A lot you may be giving.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Daryl Zanet a run for your money.
Daryl Zanet's a number two man.
He's a two man, I'm a one man.
I mean Daryl Zanet is known forstopping on the side, finding a
cooler on the side of the roadand using it as a throne and
leaving it lay.
I mean that's a good story.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
We're going to have to have him on and tell some
Army stories with him as well.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
He's the only man I know that carries a pocket knife
strictly so that he can cut hisunderwear off, so you wedded
yourself in.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Rock Castle.
All right, so I've debated weeven talked about this story
whether I should tell it thisearly or wait until we had
people.
But here I am.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We may cut it, we may not.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So I had just finished a shift at schools as a
school resource officer upthere for the rock castle county
work for mount vernon.
They were shorthanded, needingum, so I so I volunteered.
I was like hey, it's gettingready to be thanksgiving.
So this is like one year ago.
This ain't like early in mycareer, I'm saying.
So.
I'm like okay, I'll stay overfour hours in between the night

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shift guy getting in, so I go.
It was a juvenile call.
I was like, oh how, howconvenient the school police
dealing with juvenile.
So they're honey, it's so cold.
It was a cold day, it was likeright before Thanksgiving or
right after Thanksgiving and sothis little girl had run off mad

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at her mommy Typical stuff.
She ran out barefooted orsock-footed, it was cold, and
she ran about a mile away andsocial service you know, I
called for social services comeup there.
It's mommy didn't want.
She didn't want to talk to mom,all the whole thing, what it

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takes.
Well, when I left the school tothat call, I was like I need to
run to the bathroom, I had togo pee, but I was was like I
better go get this.
Everybody's kind of looking asthis progresses from a simple
should take about 15 minutes toabout a two hour call.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I'm floating man.
My eyeballs are floating.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
We've been there.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
So I take off as soon as I clear the call.
I'm like I gotta go.
I don't say bye to nobody.
I'm dead hammered, going downtowards the PD from we was on
Richmond Street and heading back.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Did you have cold chills yet?

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Listen, I was in a bad spot.
Oh yeah.
So if you know the PD, and Itold the chief and assistant
chief so they know why thepolice department is so clean
the next day I keep making downmy car man, I start peeing on
myself and I'm trying to get inthe back door.
I can't remember the code atthis point and I'm still going.

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I'm peeing all over.
I mean, I had to throw my bootsaway.
I ruined them, Socks,everything.
I go in there.
Was there a?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
point where you was maybe just turning that door
handle and you're like I'm justgoing to let it go.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah At this point.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
I was in a pure panic Flow baby flow.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I had to reach down like I was trying to cap stuff
off man.
I had to reach down like I wastrying to cap stuff off man.
I'm like this is not good.
I peed all over the walls inthat bathroom, in that shower.
That they got in there, that'sawesome.
So I mopped for like 30 minutes.
So then I'm trying to drymyself and then you know, I
smelled like a dang nursing homeafterwards.
I was like oh my God.

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I called my wife.
I'm like where you at, I'm nothome.
What'd you do?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
I peed all on myself again, but I was like, oh my
gosh, what is wrong with me.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I'm like I'm retiring .

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I've got you trained finally.
That's another story of ourother days.
But I had, I had, you know I,that was the worst like
embarrassing.
Luckily I had on black pantsand you know I, I was just like,
but I did, I smelled like anurse and it's cold.
Yeah, I was like you know you'retrying to.
You know I cleaned up great.
You know everything was squaredaway and I told, I told uh,

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brian, I was like, dear chief,yeah, I was like if you notice
that the uh, if you notice thebathroom's extra clean, it's for
a reason.
Sorry about that smell, what'sthis?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
pee stained memo on my door so well, you gotta go
you gotta go.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
We've all been there.
How many times the belt keepersstart at the door and it's
always that you've got to pee orsomething You've got to use the
bathroom.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
That call comes in.
This won't take 10 minutes.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I'm retired at this point.
Imagine this I didn't have toeven be there, I'm peeing myself
.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Now I work in a building where there's like
600-something kids in there and40, 50 teachers, adults, all
that stuff.
There's not a private bathroom,nowhere.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
No.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
And it takes a good 15 minutes to put our garb back
together, and so you try goingin a public school.
It's terrible.
As soon as you get it off, youhear oh yeah.
And then it's like oh my God.
I'm going to be at leastanother 10 minutes getting this
uniform back on.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, not only that, it's trying to find somewhere to
hang everything up or throw iton the floor.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I'll tell you another funny story about bathrooms.
It's just we were painting, sowe were early in our career.
We was home from Thanksgivingbreak or Christmas break Academy
, Academy.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Oh yeah, you were doing the dirty work, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Me, danny Robinson and Eric Staller.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
So we're getting busy .
What he's talking about is likeif you're in the academy and
there's a break, say likeChristmas Thanksgiving,
something like that where theyclose down the academy, like
Christmas Thanksgiving,something like that where they
close down the academy, theysend recruits back home and the
department can't really use you.
You're worthless, but they haveto make up their hours so the

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only thing the PD can do withthese guys is maintenance or
janitor work or washing cars.
You're doing everything thatnobody else has time to do
Cleaning teddy bears.
That's weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
So you guys were painting, so we're painting and
a lieutenant walks in and me andDanny and Eric were sitting
back there.
He said you boys know whatmarijuana smells.
Like you boys like.
Mexico.
We's nodding.
You can hear our little peabrains, little marbles in our
head rattling.
Oh yeah, we know what marijuanasmells.
Like he said, I think somebodysmoked marijuana in that

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bathroom right up there.
What we didn't know is he justexploded and so we go in there.
This sounds like hump we go inthere and open, rip, open that
door and take the biggest youknow inhale sniff that you could
.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
And it's like death in there man that was rotted.
Oh yeah, I was like what Backin those days, it had to have
been smaller.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
He didn't even stick around for the he did not stick
around for the punchline man.
He'd already gotten his car andleft.
Here we go out on the back andwe was like gagging.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
What are we doing?
He was before my time.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
He was notorious he was known for peeling paint.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
He got us good.
You boys know how to you knowwhat marijuana smells like.
But I couldn't believe hedidn't stick around just to see
it.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Oh, he knew.
He probably done that so manytimes.
He knew what the reaction wasgoing to be.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Oh, he got it.
I'll tell you one more story,if we got time.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, we got it.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
And this is me and Doug Thomas.
We went from the funny to kindof the spooky.
This was the flat-out weird,the weirdest complaint, and I
think you might have been on ittoo.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I'm sure I was, if it was something weird.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
We get a complaint one night.
Rebecca Lane, nice house, oldercouple just talking out of
their head.
I don't remember what they saidto dispatch but I remember it
was weird enough to wheredispatch is hollering at city
units to go check on the.
You know it was a suspiciousnot really a suspicious person

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complaint.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Kind of like a welfare check.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Welfare check.
Yeah, exactly.
And me and Doug get there andwe start talking to this female.
She's probably maybe in her 60s.
I mean, you wouldn't not likewhen I think of old dementia
like 80s, 90s, no, not like that.
She's in her 60s, so she shouldbe a sound mind, is what I'm

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thinking to myself as an officerthere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Early onset maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Right, yeah, and we start talking to her and she's
making absolutely no sense, likeher sentences are not just not
coherent.
I mean she orange fudgesicle inthe refrigerator, you're like
what?
You know, that kind of stuff.
So we make our way into thehouse and the husband's there

(01:00:49):
and he's busy looking forsomething and we're like, hey,
sir, can you care to talk to us?
What's going on?
Well, he's talking the same wayshe is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
What?
Yeah, that's weird going Idon't know, gas leak.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
So we don't know yet.
This is the first initial likeintroduction to him and we have
two people here.
None of them is making anysense.
You can't smell alcohol, thehouse smells like bleach and
it's spotless.
I mean like real nice house,nice furniture, that kind of

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situation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
No indicators or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Nothing, no paraphernalia, I mean.
There's not like a crackpotlaying on the end table kind of
thing.
There's nothing like that.
And they're clean.
They've got good hygiene,because most time we see we go
into these houses and you've gotsomebody's on meth or something
and poor hygiene.
Yeah, nothing like that.
But they're not making no sensewhatsoever and they can't help

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us.
They can't tell like, uh, doyou have any family that lives
next next door to you, or do youhave any family in london that
we?
Or do you have any family inLondon that?
we can call, we can't getnothing.
So we start rifling throughlike paperwork to find numbers
on it, and we've called four orfive people.
We've even done like we've haddispatch run priors to see if
anybody's called from thisresidence, and all that stuff.

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Finally, I think we find adistant relative that says they
don't normally act that way.
So that made it even worse andwe start looking for gas leaks,
we start looking for medication.
I mean, what do we do withthese two people?
This is the first time I'd everbeen to that house, the first
time Doug Thomas had ever beento that house, according to him,

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and these people are just itwas the weirdest thing ever.
So the only thing that we coulddo was call for an ambulance.
Ambulance gets there.
Blood pressure's fine, Heartrate's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Sugar's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Sugar's fine, don't have no clue.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
But you got both of them are acting yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
That's weird, like out of this world weird, okay,
like they tried talking to eachother and me and doug can't
understand them and it was justthe weirdest complaint, one of
the weirdest complaints I thinkI'd ever been on.
They ended up gettingtransported to the hospital, um,
and by this time it was it wasearly, so the first shift was

(01:03:14):
fixing to come on.
I mean, I think we dealt withthem for a couple hours and they
never got no better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
No resolution.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
They never got worse, they just that was the weirdest
complaint.
I mean, they look physicallyhealthy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I watched a movie like that about like sundowners
type stuff or something it wassimilar, but usually with people
with Alzheimer's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
They could make complete sentences that made
sense this was like gibberish toone another, and whenever they
did talk it was like a personthinking out loud.
If that made sense Both of themwere thinking out loud, but it
didn't make sense to me and doughuh and they would talk to each
other and we'd ask you know hey, have you mixed bleach and

(01:04:01):
ammonia together?
hey, have you mixed thiscleaning component to this
cleaning?
And they couldn't, I mean theycouldn't make heads or tails, I
guess what me and doug wasasking them did I never forget
that some of the mostunexplained, weirdest stuff that
you could ever, but that's,I've never heard that story.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
That's.
That's kind of freaky man.
We deal with so many things andwe've seen so many things and,
um, it affects your mentalhealth.
You're trying, I mean that thatbothers you.
I mean I've seen things that Istill close my eyes, yeah, and
you're like and I'm sure you dotoo, dylan, but you know we

(01:04:40):
obviously we've all dealt withPTS, for if you do this job,
you're going to deal Cops.
Don't get that.
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Oh, I'm happily yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I happily admit that I've.
You know, when I got into somecounseling and started doing
some therapy through the academyand things and doing some of
the EMDR stuff, that they putthe paddles, that stuff helps.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
That was shock therapy.
Yeah, shock therapy.
I think I had a lobotomy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
You had some beers.
I had some bad stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
But I really all of us need to make sure that our
mental health is because thatstuff is going to.
You're going to always wonderwhat the heck happened there and
we've been to these calls andeverything and you're like man,
what's the outcome of this?
And you'll never know.
You'll never know while you'retalking to somebody one second
and then they die.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I would have to ask Doug.
I mean, maybe Doug rememberswhat had come about him, but I
know he remembers the complaintbecause it was.
I mean, we were baffled, we waslike Jesus and we couldn't put
it together.
We was like what is wrong withthese people?
It was like there was somethingin the house that made them go
crazy together at the same time.

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And she said that she had what.
What we could make out of.
It was she had been cleaningall day because I mean, the
house was the only thing thatwould make sense is the
combination of house cleanersand chemicals that's what we was
thinking, but we couldn'tdecipher that from her, we
couldn't decipher that from him.
And there was there was no wayto get a hold of anybody that
knew their norm until later,like an hour or so later, we get

(01:06:17):
a hold of somebody.
It's like no, they're normalpeople, they talk normal, they
have no, no medical issues thatwe know of.
But yeah, we'd have to followup with doug see, see what come
of that, because it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
I mean, it's just scary.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
But you're right, we do see some sad stuff and some
bad stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Always with kids, always tormenting me.
And then, anytime you deal with, you know, the elderly, I
remember getting calls of likeguys driving down from Michigan,
yeah, you know, and sittingwith them all night.
They just got in a car.
I remember me and Joe dealtwith a guy that drove all the
way from New Mexico or Arizona.
Yeah, and they were like no,he's fine.

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And then an hour later, becausewe called we were wanting to
report him missing, well, he'ssouthbound, I don't know, you
know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I feel bad.
We had no reason to hold him.
Yeah, he seemed fine and that'sthe kind of thing that would
happen a lot with Alzheimer's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Yeah and it's sad, and then you run into pure evil
too.
We've seen some absolute evil.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, there's it's the evilness you kind of.
You know you're doing a job.
That evilness can happen, butman, you know it still affects
you, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
And I was listening to one of job at.
Evilness can happen, but man,you know it still don't?
It still affects you, oh yeah.
And I was listening to the oneof the last episodes and he was
talking about how you'd go homeand talk to lisa.
I never did do that like mywife would ask me like hey, how
was your day at work?
This, and that I'm like man,it's work, people are.
If so, I think you have to talkto someone that can relate to

(01:07:59):
it it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
It is much easier.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Yeah, because if I told her about stuff she would
think, for one I'd be crazy,yeah.
Or two it would.
She'd be afraid of me, yeah.
Or it would be kind of asituation where it's like, uh,
you need to go see some realhelp, kind of stuff.
So I never did.
I was afraid she wouldn'tunderstand it.
And if I spoke about it at thetime that you know it was fresh,

(01:08:25):
I didn't want to relive it, Ididn't want to talk about it.
So you'd compartmentalize it,you'd put it away, and it never
did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Sometimes it will resurface one day, yeah if you
don't, there's only so much thatwe can hold in there.
So what I taught to Lisa, whichshe knew me before I became an
officer, so she kind of knew Iwas like we're going into this
as a partnership and I told her.
I said not only did you retireor I retire, you also retired

(01:08:55):
with me.
So I made sure you know.
I said you put in 20-plus yearswith me, you've seen the ups
and downs of my emotions and Idon't have that poker face.
So I would come home and belike you know not everything,
there's some things that we justcouldn't talk about.
But there was things that if Iwas bothered I would be like, ah

(01:09:20):
, this is going on.
Now.
She would probably say youdidn't talk to me enough, but
she didn't need to know some ofthe things and I did.
I compartmentalized way toomuch and that spilled out when I
started doing some therapy,yeah, and I was able to get some
stuff off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Yeah, and I was able to get some stuff off.
My family would find out aboutit, like on the news or
something.
Yeah, like, oh, you did that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Wait, you did that what?

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Yeah, but I recommend I think every one of us should
make sure that Absolutely AfterI mean hot washes and talking
about it after but this podcastto me is the most therapeutic

(01:09:59):
thing that I've done, um in along time and it wasn't because
I wanted to tell my story allthe time.
Who cares about?
There's only so much I can do,but to bring you on and other
guests to you know, just talkabout things and just have some
fun and feel that and feel likewe're, we're back you, we're
getting along in the tooth andwe're back For retired guys,
that camaraderie gets lost.

(01:10:21):
Yeah, if you ever notice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
People keep in touch with you for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Yeah, you've got about 30 days, honestly Maybe,
and then there's, like we'veseen it whenever we work there,
If you noticed, about everythree to five years there's a
big turnover yeah, I don't knowanybody in supervisor structures
and administration about threeto five years.
There's a rollover internally.
Yeah, when you're outsidelooking in, it seems like every

(01:10:47):
two years like we don't knowanybody at the pd.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
It's been two years since I retired it's like who
are these cats?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
I mean, you kind of know them, or they might have
come from a county close to usor something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Heard of them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I don't know and they don't know.
You no, and you want to talkabout an ego killer whenever you
get pulled over?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
They're like who are you?
Yeah, You're nobody.
Why are you speeding?
I remember, you know, I thinkback I was in the Marines and
the Army and stuff.
The veterans have a really goodyou know, either with the
Legion or DAVs or the veterans,just VA in general, All these

(01:11:28):
little groups that they can goand hang out and talk about
their stories.
Man police just don't do thatenough.
And it would be.
It's like even though and itwas described to me, you know,
when I was in the military ifyou got deployed and you went
and did a mission or you went towar or whatever, you would come

(01:11:53):
back back to your home base,start the you know vacations and
then start the training cycleagain.
Every time we put on our vest,our gun belt, we were deployed
that day.
Oh yeah, so we had 20-plusyears of deployment, even though
it was right here at our home,but we were putting on that and

(01:12:15):
wearing that and taking on thatstress and that mindset all the
time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
You can't take away from the Warriors, but you got
to look.
Most soldiers do four six-yearstint.
You got police officers thatthey might not see firefights
all the time, but they see gutsgore.
Trauma like emotional trauma,nothing like seeing a dead child

(01:12:44):
.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
You'll never forget that, and soldiers will
experience a lot oh that was notto take away I'm just saying
they have great, they havereally good groups that they can
come back when they get out.
Police don't have nothing likethat.
They take care of their peopleafterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Police go through, not the combat trauma that
soldiers come through, but justthe day-to-day hypervigilance
and the things, that kind ofemotional trauma, that
psychological trauma that putson you and there's nothing out
there for that.
As a matter of fact, it's astigma for a cop, because the

(01:13:23):
first thing that they worryabout oh, they're going to take
my gun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yeah, that's the first thing, Turn your badge and
your gun in Me saying this andI still wear a badge and gun Me
openly saying it.
I go to counseling in PTSD.
I can walk out, I'm retired ifthey come and take it, but it
does me openly admitting that Ihave some issues that I've went
through.
It's tough for me but I thinkevery cop needs to deal with it.

(01:13:51):
Absolutely, Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
And we was trained you could say that's kind of me
and T-Dot.
We was trained that that comesfrom the leadership down kind of
a deal to where now we'restarting to see DLCJT offering
these stress and wellnessclasses and it's starting to get

(01:14:13):
recognized that, hey, our copsneed some help here too with
mental struggles and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I'd like to get Barry on here at some point in time
and let him talk about thatprogram.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, because he's got some great stories too.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
We'll have to have yeah, so it's starting to get
momentum, like the veterans getwith their PTSD and their
struggles.
It's starting to get somemomentum in the law enforcement
community, not just lawenforcement.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Fire.
Yeah, first responders, anykind of first responders.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
There's some ambulance and dispatchers that
have just not –'s went becauseyou gotta think if there's guts
and gore, there's, there'sambulance and fire right there
with you and ambulance servicesa whole lot more yeah patients
lost.
I mean, you know, I mean we,we'll see it on the scene, but
as soon as it's loaded up intothat buggy on the way to the
hospital I have literally handeda neom s worker a foot before

(01:15:04):
and said hey, you might needthis, need this, you know, from
a car wreck.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Sure have, it's just some.
It's tough and they've seenworse and we've seen some crazy
stuff.
I think our big thing thedifference is, you know, we also
have to.
We are we're going in first toclear for amulet stuff.
So we've had the fights and thecraziness that goes with that

(01:15:29):
and it's just a tough.
Just first responders ingeneral is one of the.
It's just so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And recruiting and getting good folks now man, and
because you're the one that's totry and put it this way you're
the one that's there to help thepeople who are in crisis.
You're not allowed to be incrisis.
So you can't be vulnerablewhile somebody else is being
vulnerable.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
So when do you get to be vulnerable and deal with
these things and anotherdownfall to it becoming so
public about issues with firstresponders and mental health and
all that is.
There's a lot of people notwilling to do the job no more.
And like old guys, like us, wecan go about anywhere and work.

(01:16:18):
I mean because thecertifications that we have, the
experience and all that theseyounger generation guys are like
, why would I put myself?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
through that.
Yeah, if you want to go backinto it right now, dylan, you
could go, they're throwing money.
It's not hard for I don't blameyou, I get it and I'm saying
keep an open mind with it.
But I mean, I get where you'reat and you've served your time
and done your thing.
I just, I would like to seejust something for the because

(01:16:48):
you don't want to see.
And I saw this firsthand andI've experienced it firsthand
and I know all of us have.
It's like that door, when itcloses, you're like ah, and
there was a void.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
It felt like 1,000 pounds lifted off of me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
It took a hot minute.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
People ask me all the time do you miss it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
I said no, you miss the guys, I miss the guys, I
miss the camaraderie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
The job was fun at one time, until it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I got to a point in my career where, well, I was
administration by then, but if Iheard a pursuit used to, I mean
you'd get the adrenaline dump,you'd get the excitement.
You'd be like woo-hoo.
I got to the point in my careerwhere that didn't sound fun,
that sounded horrible.
That sounded like, oh my God,there's lawyers chasing the

(01:17:39):
pursuit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I mean it got terrible when you start going to
calls and hearing calls and thefirst thing you think of is how
much paperwork that's going tobe.
It's time to do something.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
You're not doing a service.
No, you're not doing whatyou're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
You're clinging on at that point.
You're burnt out and it's timefor a change and not only for
guys that's retired or out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
I mean these guys once you get about 10 years on.
I think you need Some kind oftransition.
Some kind of so like we went tothe Sergeant's Academy to make
better leaders.
There needs to be some kind ofprogram that DOCJT does or state
police or somebody does aboutthat burnout mark about 10 years

(01:18:22):
, not stress and wellness, butthere should be some kind of
mandatory, maybe a two-weekcourse.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Almost like a sabbatical too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Yeah, and it's not like hardcore training stuff.
It's let these guys gettogether, let them bond, let
them work some stuff out andthen teach them some kind of
coping skills for about twoweeks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Worst thing in the world is not knowing what to do
with your emotions sometimes andfollowing them away because
they will.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Guys, get burned out doing stuff the same thing.
There's no such thing as aroutine traffic stop, but there
is.
In a way, you make 500 milliontraffic stops, so to say, in
your career.
You pull the car over the sameway, you get out of the car the
same way, you approach the sameway.
That gets monotonous and boringafter a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Same spiel.
For the most part Same spiel.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
It's the reactions that's not routine of the driver
.
That's not routine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I would say any call you go to it's all the same
calls all the same thing.
How you handle it is different,Same people sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, it's who we're dealing with.
That dictates the call.
You know, little changes hereand there, because I don't want
to change my if I feel, untilyou maybe get complacent and
stuff, but if I know, okay, thisworks for me.
I'm going to do that because Ican see this.
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
But the person we're dealing with is what dictates
what happens next and we try tobe problem solvers, so there's
nothing worse than going back tothe same house for the same
complaint, dealing with the samepeople.
Yeah, you feel like you're on a.
Hey, listen, I thought thefirst time I was here I'd done
really good.
You two ain't going to fightand squabble, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And then a week later , I thought we worked this out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Yeah a week later back same problem Hamster wheel
of just.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
And that just gets so frustrating, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
It's frustrating.
I've never had a job that hasgiven me more satisfaction and
frustrated me at the same time.
But well, we'll stop it righthere.
I've had an absolute blast.
We want you to come back asmany times and often as you want
.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I know you've got a lot more stories to tell, but
we'll get after it.
You'll have to get me and Dougon here squabbling.
I think we do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
We need to get Doug talking about some UK basketball
games near fights at the PDs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
See if we can get him to start going gah gah, so you
know, what he says Jesse's callsign.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Give the mouse a cookie.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Everybody had call signs, jesse's.
You know he was Hesco, hesco,he was the Hesco.
So we really enjoyed having youon here tonight, jesse, and
you're always welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Always welcome to come back anytime.
Thank you, appreciate it.
Catch you on the next one.
We'll see you next time.

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