Guitars, Golf Carts, and Double Date Chaos

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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Outro Music.
I wish Josh were to sing.
Have you ever heard him sing?
He's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
No, he won't do it.
I'm not a singer.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
He can play guitar, though, he can play about
anything.
Well, he has to go up there andshow me how to play drums every
week.
It's hard being the third bestdrummer up there when his son's
here and that's serious.
But they've shown me so muchand it's been what?
Five, six, seven years.
It's amazing where I've comefrom.

(00:58):
He's like that guy's retardedup there.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
I'm not a drum kid To like hey, you've been, you know
.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Know, I'm not saying I'm great, by any means.
I'm like here's, here'sbeginner.
I'm just above beginner, I'mpushing towards it intermediate,
but he'll challenge.
He's like here's a new rockbeat for you today and I was
like I mean, it's just like sothat's my goal for this week is
to learn that.
That time.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
That's funny, because I can't make to learn that
timing that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Because I can't make all four limbs do different
things.
I'm still at like three limbs.
It's tough, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I don't know how you get to the you can't walk and
chew bubble gum at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, that's natural.
Hitting something in adifferent time and making all
four limbs do it at a differentpace than walking is really
different.
I've tried to play drums.
My musical endeavors have notwent well, which I enjoy, so
that's the good part.
But you can learn it.
If I learned it.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
This is true.
If you can learn it, then youbetter can.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
The key is not start when you're 38 years old.
It's been about 10 years.
How old were you when youstarted?
38 years old, well, not yet.
It's been about 10 years.
But how old were you when?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
you started playing guitar and stuff 14, probably.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I wish I would have taken up something like
that.
Dad tried to teach me how toplay the guitar a few years back
and I just I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's like anything else, depends on how much time
you put in it.
Yeah, I don't have time now toCOVID.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
During COVID, that would have been an excellent
time.
Well, I was picking.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Everybody at the house was tanking around that I
went straight to ukulele.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
There you go.
Of course.
Got little girl hands.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I know I should be able to reach out there, it's
just I can't make them move.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Need my good hand.
Alright, you got us good hand.
Alright, you got us, I got us.
Everybody sound good?
Yeah, sounds good to me.
Alright, we're back withanother episode for you.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Of course he's recorded.
I forget that he hits therecord while we're talking.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You gotta get that B-roll going, but we're back
with a another good episode foryou, and this one may end up
being a long one.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
We hope so.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
We hope so or park, if we can forget.
So we've got uh another guythat I didn't get the
opportunity to work with uh any,but uh, I've known him for a
while and got to experience himas a neighbor for a long time.
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, there's just a whole other podcast on that,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I still find random golf balls in places.
That's awesome, but we've gotthe Gaylor with us.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Josh Gaylor.
Wow, so Josh was my well.
He was my first well, I won'tsay first training officer, but
he was like the most.
I probably spent a lot, most ofmy time with Josh.
I don't remember how that cameabout.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Because you switched from.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You go to different officers Day shift, second shift
yeah, but my day shift trainingofficer was Josh and we did
some things.
I didn't understand why we weredoing them, but we did some
things.
Neither did I, but Josh livedon Morgan Street or whatever it
was behind Clark Street, ClarkDrive yeah, yeah, clark.

(04:19):
And I'd see Josh with his boatand he was pulling out his
cruiser.
All the time.
I was like hey guy, he's livingthe life.
I'm going to be a city policeofficer.
So I don't know if we reallyknew each other.
Besides, just like hey, at thatpoint, I don't think so.
Probably no, not yet.
But quickly, quickly, yeah,quickly, we, we got to know each
other well.
So how did uh, how'd yourpolicing start?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
you know my intentions out of high school
was to go.
I went to college on actuallyon a music scholarship to
Moorhead Tim Smallwood.
For whatever I knew Tim fromsome that's I was a baby and
he's like you're thought aboutbeing a cop.
I don't know, and that's how itstarted.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now he planted a seed .
Planted a seed.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
And at the time I think he was maybe a lieutenant
or something.
So I went through the process.
I think I went through theprocess two or three times I
guess, and I guess I got hiredin 98, I think Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Now there's a story about before we get into that.
Like you, played some rock androll music with some local guys
here going up.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
The Crowhart right Crowhart the bluesy rock band.
We did yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Did y'all steal that from the Black Crows?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I don't think so.
That sounds like something.
Yeah, it was like something.
Yeah, it was just somethingstupid.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
There's still recordings available of this.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
We hope so.
If we can, we'll put them onthis.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Somewhere I do and I'll have to dig that up.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
We'll dig it up.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
We might make that the intro music for this one,
but there's a rumor and I don'tknow if you told or you told
somebody that you had an offerto play, maybe record, with a
country singer.
Is this true?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
That was many moons ago.
Yeah, that was actually in highschool and we were long-haired
rockers Right and didn't want nopart of that old country music.
So, yeah, that was out.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
But it's a pretty popular singer at the time that
was in Nashville and recordingall over, I think he has family,
maybe here or something, or hasconnections here.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, but yeah, it just never.
I was like I ain't playingcountry music.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm not playing no country music.
Are you kidding me?
Are?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
you going to?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
be a city police officer.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
The decisions we've made.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, Is there going to be a city police officer?
The decisions we've made, Ifyou'd have known like, hey, if I
had just took that gig, or wasit a touring guitar?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
whatever it was, whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I wasn't interested If he would have took that gig
down in Nashville or wherever hecould have probably played for
about anywhere, anywhere, atleast recording sessions or
whatever.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
he's super talented, but what a mistake oops, I think
in this, uh, you know, in thisjob line we all look back and
say how did I end up here?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
yeah, would you do it over?
Yeah you do it, I'll do it yeah, I probably would uh, would you
Probably After he went toNashville.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, well, I would change certain aspects of it,
but I would go back.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
So my thought pattern was I got out of the Marines,
started doing work for the localelectric company, should have
stayed there, but I missed thatbond, that camaraderie that you
have from it, so the esprit decorps, if you will, and I
thought how can you do that andserve your community?
I should have went to the firedepartment, I guess.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You definitely have to have a heart for service.
There's no other way.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I've never enjoyed a job more, but I've also never
hated a job more at the sametime.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's frustrating, but yeah, I had many days of
being like.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
I've never enjoyed a job more, but I've also never
hated a job more at the sametime.
That's frustrating, yeah, butyeah, I had many days of being
like man.
I should have never left FedEx.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I'm an idiot so I mean, All right, I interrupted
you so you got your start.
Tim planted the seed.
Basically, yeah.
And what year did you go to theacademy?
98.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
1998.
1998.
Went to the academy with meJohn Whitehead, mike Holliday
They've all been mentionedbefore and Greg.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Grimes, what class number were you on?
268.
All right, to put that inperspective, I was 482 when I
went through.
What year?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
16.
I was 02.
I was 324.
So you know they were puttingabout five classes at a time.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
We were running.
We had five or six classeswhile we were going.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It would be three weeks spread apart.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
They run through a lot of classes.
We were lucky enough to gounder the 10-week.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Ours was 23.
I was a 16-weeker.
Yeah, you suck too I thoughtman.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I just had missed the 10 10 week, or just a couple.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
You know, listen, we've been long and I think they
went back to 20 weeks nowbecause we looked at our
curriculum and the schedulingthe way it was.
There was like two weeks ofdead time that we had that was
not necessary, so so you wentwith you went with Whitehead,
who's been mentioned on thefirst one.
On some stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
That guy legend he is .

Speaker 3 (09:30):
A legendary Big John the Sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
He is 6'7" Ish yeah.
A monster man, he is yeah, andI told everybody about him.
He got me out of more fights.
People look up and just lookFrankenstein, be like, never
mind, I'm out.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Look like Herman Munster.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
He could throw hands too.
I think he was like a Taekwondoblack belt or something.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Influent in Spanish.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
No way.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, way smarter than he looks.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, he played music too.
Wasn't he a guitar player too?
He played some music.
I think he dabb.
Yeah, he played music too.
Wasn't he a guitar player too?
He played some music.
I think he dabbled.
I think he could play.
And then Fuzz.
He was with the sheriff'soffice probably, or was he with
the city police when we went tothe academy.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think he was at the , so Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So legendary guy, he's been everywhere.
Yes, I think he's firefightingright now and damn well he won't
give it up.
And then, who else did you sayHoliday, doc Holiday, who's been
mentioned a couple times onhere?
Which one of them guys was yourroommate?
Or did they break you?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
up.
Neither, we were all split up.
My roommate that I went to theacademy with died several years
back Wow, all split up.
My roommate that I went to theacademy with died several years
back.
Really Wow, he got lung cancerand died.
That's terrible.
He was from Flemingsburg, wow.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Where is Flemingsburg ?
I think it's out east, isn't itI?
Don't know Easterly, I reallydon't know, my academy roommate
was Danny Robinson.
They stuck us together and Iwish they would have gave me
somebody else.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
They split me and Bert Patrick up also.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
The guy that I had.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
He was a good guy.
He was from an agency over inLouisville I can't remember what
it's called, it was something alittle small agency.
But yeah, he was a good guy.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I enjoyed him well, I think, I think each coordinator
may have thought like well,these guys are going to work
together, let's put, let's letthem, you know, roommate
together.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
And I'm like after danny's snoring episodes it's
like, yeah, I wouldn't want touse the bathroom with danny.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
No, after, after the stories you've told yeah,
there's no way I'm going to goin after that nuclear holocaust.
So tell me about the academy.
What did you all get into there, oh goodness.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, of course we drove I'm sure you all did too
Commuted every week or stayed aweek, came home on the weekend.
Yes, our general process waseach weekend something would
happen and we would have to comereport to the, to the captain's
office, for whatever ithappened there in that, for you

(12:09):
know, the last week that's worsethan me.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I thought we were bad because we got reported I know
four or five times, but theynever caught us in on carpet
they were.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
It was all after like told about how many times we
got called in on and John couldelaborate on some of that,
probably, but we'll have to seeif he could come in.
If it wasn't, you know, we'rereport of somebody dancing on
tables at Applebee's or speedingor it was just something every
weekend.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
I'm seeing now that you all are the reason as to why
the rules changed so much andwe weren't allowed to do
anything when we were out there.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I'm not saying all the accusations were accurate
not all of them.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Some of them were, some of them could have been.
What else did y'all do?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
you know what's the statute of limitations.
I think we're good no, I can'tthink of anything too terrible,
but just terrible enough to getcalled in every weekend, that's
hilarious.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I can't believe that was some characters with you
there before you go to theacademy.
I don't know, man, that wassome characters with you there.
Oh man, so how?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
was, you know, like before you go to the academy.
I don't know what you all did,if you all just you know, on
your start day you went to theacademy, or whatever.
But whenever we started westarted like a week before the
academy day, so we were likejust doing stuff around the
office, you know, painting orthis or that yeah.
So and know painting or this orthat.

(13:47):
So, and John could elaborate onthis too.
One of John's earliercomplaints, I guess, was we were
like he went out to pick uplunch, so we hadn't been sworn,
we were just waiting to go tothe academy, called it on the
radio, I'm out with so-and-soand this and that and 10-15.
I can't remember how it allwent down, but that kind of went
down the hill pretty quick, Ican imagine.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
He's not even officially sworn, yet I don't
think we were.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
We were just kind of hanging out waiting to go to the
academy.
We might have been sworn, butwe weren't supposed to be doing
anything.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I would say we were sworn.
Yeah, just like.
Do not stop calling, do notinteract with people.
You have no idea what you'redoing.
Our policy manual was there atone time, was full of John
Whitehead, which I love, youknow.

(14:39):
It's not that, he's just likewell, there's no rule against
that.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
We better make something I love, john have you
really had an accomplishedpolicing career if your face is
not next to a policy somewherein the menu?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
that's a good time.
If you had never gotten introuble, you weren't doing your
job no, so y'all graduated.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Everybody made it through.
Everybody made it through well.
So, everybody made it throughwell.
So what happened?
Who was like your trainingofficers and stuff?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
My first FTO officer was Jim Whalen.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Jim Whalen.
If you remember Jim, yeah, Iknow.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Jim and my very first impression of Jim Whalen.
I got hooked up with Jim.
He walks into the office oneday he's got a pin, a pin on his
uniform, a big metal pin thatsays kill them all and let God
sort them out.
And he goes into the captain'soffice and that goes downhill

(15:37):
too pretty quick.
That was my very firstimpression of Jim.
Wow, that's close, he was agreat guy too.
I liked Jim.
Wow, that's close, he was agreat guy too.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I liked him, so tell us about.
I know you mentioned somethingabout your first, like getting
checked off.
I'm sure there's other stuff inthe cabin, you can go wherever
you want, but that story aboutthe captain Getting released
from FTO.
So it's about a.
I don't know how long it wasfor you, but it's about a 13.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's 15 weeks for us is what it would be.
Yeah, 13 to 15.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
You do your field training, so it's like an OJT.
See if you've got this or notbefore they released you.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
And before you got released, a supervisor or
whoever would come out and ridewith us, you know, to check you
off or whatever so you're goodto go.
Yeah, us, you know, to checkyou off or whatever.
So you're good to go.
Yeah, and I was on nights atthe time and the person that
came to do my checkoff ride wasjim yeah, I think he was.
I guess he was captain, yeah,so also at the time I can't

(16:36):
remember who all else was there,derek house.
Well, he was, uh, I think he wasstill a patrolman at the time
and so he dares me.
He's like you know you don'thave a hair if you, when jim
gets in the car, if you don'thold his hat, like smoking the

(16:58):
bandit okay.
So you know you don't dare copsto do stuff, no, and uh, so jim
gets in the car derek, they'reJim gets in the car, they're all
like in the car behind us orwhatever.
So I just reach over and I grabJim's hat and I was like let me
hold your hat, daddy.
And he spins his head around tome and the hat stays still, but

(17:22):
his head like spins inside thehat and he just looks at me like
he's going to rip my face off.
Oh my gosh, I've seen that.
Look, I know that, look yeaheverybody knows that.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Look, oh my gosh.
That's awesome man.
He put your mouth up, looked atyou like I'm going to kill you.
He was a good guy, I liked him.
Oh, he was great.
He could flat shoot a pistol.
You ain't kidding, he could.
He could, gosh.
What else you got?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Oh man, where do you go from there?
Well, jason Fannuck was one ofmy FTO officers and I'm sure did
he ever FTO you.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
No, I took his spot when he went to state police.
He and.
Chuck and John Whitehead wentto state police.
And then I think it was John Meand Danny Robinson and Rodney
Van Zandt took their spots.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
So yeah, but yeah, jason was another one.
He worked with him a lot, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Jason was constantly jacking with you over something
you know Big cut up.
Yeah.
You'd be sitting at a red lightyou know noon on Main Street
and you'd just reach over andflip your sirens and lights on.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
There's nothing like it Make you look like an idiot
in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, Everybody getting out of the way.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
One time.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'll tell you a quick story about getting out of the
way One time.
I'll tell you a quick story.
I came back from a call and Ijust had come to day shift.
It was like when we got splitup and I was on day shift, just
led a funeral procession downthe parkway, drove all the way
back into town, pulled in theback lot of the PD and Lodge was

(19:03):
sitting out back the chief.
He just pointed up at my just alittle flick of his finger at
my light bar.
I was like holy cow, look down.
I had driven probably 10 milesbecause I went on patrol after
that with those lights on.
I was like I was wondering whyeverybody's getting out of my
way.
I was like oh my gosh.

(19:28):
Those opens didn't.
I was like, oh my gosh, theydon't make those opens that make
any noise and it just there wasno click.
Like you know it's on, it'sjust I've done the opposite of
that.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, when we had those toruses that had the, all
your components were in thedrawer in the trunk.
Every time you pulled thatdrawer out it unplugged
something, oh yeah.
So I was trying to stop a carone time had my lights, you know
, I'd flipped everything on andit's working on the, you know,
on the dash panel.
Well, I've got nothing going uptop and I'm getting pissed off

(19:53):
because they're not, they're notpulling over and I'm getting
ready, call out in pursuit and Ifinally look and see the
reflection.
I was like I don't have anylights on.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah they used to have.
Somehow they had those pushbutton things and I remember one
time going to a hot call andturning on my siren but not any
lights.
I was like, get out of my way,what is?

Speaker 4 (20:14):
wrong with it, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I was like what is wrong with these freaks?
Why won't they get out of?
The way I'm just wiring out.
There's no lights on at all.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm goingto hit it.
Yeah, I just look like a fooldriving around.
It's one of those you just turnaround.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
You just say this is over with.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I'm done with that, Forget it.
He's like yeah, I ain't goingto make it guys.
No, it wasn't nothing anyway.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, and speaking of Jason, I don't.
He's off-duty, basicallystarting pursuits with the
on-duty officers and stuff.
Like on his motorcycle he wasalways on his motorcycle?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Oh yeah, I have heard mention of that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I heard there was some trouble just about got some
big trouble.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess it happened.
I've heard about those stories.
That was a long.
I'd say he was in that policymanual some I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Absolutely Guaranteed .
There's a chapter I have nodoubt the bad head.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's sandwiched in somewhere in between the white
head.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
So it's funny we had gosh John.
I remember all the time he'dget called in the carpet.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I remember one time we were in our dorm at the
academy and my roommate at thetime he's over by the window and
he said isn't that your guy outthere?
I don't know.
So I go to the window and he'slike and they're getting ready
to be a throwdown, but I have noidea who he's getting ready to
fight with.
So we had to go down and getinside.

(21:47):
But yeah, it was justinteresting.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Some other officers from somewhere.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh my gosh, they probably just ran their mouth,
they probably deserved it.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh my gosh, he's so funny.
We need to have him on.
John needs to come onabsolutely yeah, I'm trying to
reach out to fuzz, but I'mgetting, uh getting the no
answer yet.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
So we'll see, we'll see but I never reach out to him
he's not interested, here's he?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I don't know I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I don't know if he's ducking me or what.
Right now he might changenumbers, I don't know he may
have, but you never know, withfirefighters's ducking me or
what right now.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
He might change numbers, I don't know he may
have, but you never know withfirefighters if they're asleep
or whatever, playing Xbox.
I've not seen.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Fuzz in ages he's still the same.
I've not seen him in a while.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I saw him up there in Danville when I was working up
there just checking firehydrants.
One day Fuzz stories at theacademy they would do a
semi-room check on occasion sothey'd come and Fuzz's roommate
would like put pillows and stuffin Fuzz's bed or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, he's asleep.
He'd be like in London orwherever.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I never thought about that.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Our room inspections are a little more in-depth.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, they'd come in and actually your bed had to be
made.
Yeah, but at the night shift,when they come in at night, they
were always sticking a PBT inour mouth.
Really yeah.
We never actually had to do it,but we got threatened with it
every night, we did, we had thekey cards that if you didn't
come in certain times yeah, at acertain time you were when you
were questioned we was the firstone of the first classes in

(23:29):
those new dorms over there andthey had those key fob things
where they kind of track uspretty good, we were at the
maddox hall, I think it was yeah, he was.
He was over on campus.
Yeah, we, we were across theroad over that academy.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
We had I don't know- if you remember Terry Runner, do
you all have him in training,yeah, I do Great guy.
I love Terry.
He was our dorm guy, whateverhe was called, and he would just
stand there.
Get in Everybody.
Get in here, get in here.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, hurry up, hurry up.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I want to think that Runner did our crime scene
photography and I think he'ddone a lot.
Instead of accident accident,he did our accident to talk
taught how to write our accidentreport yeah, he was a great guy
, man, we were.
We just all happened in myacademy class.
They told us it was a nighttimedrive and they said you know,
that's got that drive down thereon the bottom it's got some
fake railroad crossing downthere.

(24:28):
And they gave us a strict orderof no more than 45 miles an
hour.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Reminds me of another story.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Go ahead.
Some guys hit that down there,bounced it, spin it, hit a
vehicle down there that they hada reconstruction class going on
.
Bounce it, spin it, hit avehicle down there.
They had a reconstruction classgoing on.
There was a wrecked vehicledown there.
Now the next day they left thatcar sitting in there.
It came out and did areconstruction on that car wreck

(24:59):
.
That's awesome.
You talk about guys that werepuckering.
They were definitely on standbyfor graduation.
They were like oh my God,because they were like speed,
you know they were going 45miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
So did you all know, andy Ferguson.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Oh yeah, he's at Dambled PD now.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Really, yeah, I worked with him Did not know
that.
Yeah, he was our firearmsinstructor.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
He was mine instructor.
He was fishing wildlife.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
So when he done a lot of the section the tactics, all
that stuff, Driving shooting.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
He was our driver.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
And I guess is he from London.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Or worked London or something.
I think he may have worked thatarea.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I don't know, Maybe he had some kind of connection
to London.
So everybody, all of us fromLaurel County, for whatever
reason, they like to give us ahard time, you know, just out of
fun.
So when we were doing ourpursuit driving, of course, they
gave out the call you know, ATO, for this, whatever and it was
the instructor.
We pull onto the track, and itwas the instructor.

(26:06):
We pull onto the track and it'sAndy.
So he turns and he sees thatit's us and he just smiles so
the pursuit's on.
You know, you said like 45 andall that we were.
I mean we were drifting aroundthe track, oh yeah.
So he leaves the track andwe're heading out towards the
bypass.
I mean we go like down thebypass half a mile Pursuit, yeah
, and finally he stops.

(26:27):
He's like okay, stop, we're allgoing to go to jail.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
So yeah, he was a nut Because where that's at.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
it's a half mile to the bypass.
You're getting back towardsPatty A, so you're getting there
.
He didn't go too far, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
That's hilarious.
Getting back towards patty upthere.
So you're getting there.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
But yeah, he definitely he left the the
training grounds.
Yeah, so quick one on andy theother day.
Well, last year about this timeI'm gonna say march, april he's
doing a.
He's he's the drivingcoordinator for damo PD.
So I come over there to do my.
You know they now havemandatory driving.

(27:08):
Every two years or a year youhave to go do driving training.
So Andy's the instructor forthe PD up there and he's like I
ride with him, do the courseback up, go back through it,
done.
He's like you got it.
I said yeah.
I got it.

(27:28):
He's like how did?
He's like, man, we don't have atime limit on this, but don't
hit a cone or you'll have to doit again, roger.
So I go through it, don't hit acone.
Come back through.
He said well, you passed.
But he said you know, you knowthat that little skinny one on
the right hand side is the gaspedal.

(27:48):
He said you went like fourminutes through this course.
You're supposed to feel like 45seconds.
I mean I said you said no timelimit that's the word.
But he said are you serious?
He said why don't you go do itone more time a little faster?
I mean, it's like you know,it's probably like a two.
I doubled the time.
Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh,and he would call you out and

(28:10):
it's hilarious.
Yeah, he's still working upthere.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I like Dan, he's a great instructor Great dude, he
was good.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Did he ever tell you all the story about the monkey?
I?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
don't think so.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
So when he was working fishing wildlife and I'm
pretty sure it was him thattold us that he had stopped a
vehicle and they had a petmonkey for whatever on a leash
and he ended up having to takethe owner to jail but he had
tied that leash to that monkeyto the back of his truck during

(28:42):
the stop.
Oh no, and it may have been aDUI while he was doing, filter
bride all that and forgot aboutthe monkey.
Oh no, he said when they got tothe jail that monkey was clawed
, latched onto the bumper fordear life, just shivering that's
full on.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Chevy Chase put the grandma on the roof.
He's like thank god I didn'tdrag him over, for dragging yeah
, he was good you ever dragged,I did.
I did drag once.
It wasn't the classic drag likethe possum or whatever, but it
was a a toy pig, okay.
I wasn't really aware, ofcourse, that I was dragging at

(29:23):
the time, so I think it wasnight shift maybe, usually when
that happened.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, always that's a night shift activity, for sure,
everybody ganged up.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
They're like come in here and watch this video.
Somebody's dragging, so theyput it on the screen.
Of course I'm ah ha ha and Iwas like wait a minute, that's
my tag, that's my tag, that's mycar that's me.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You drug and they never let you in on the joke.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
I didn't know until I saw the video.
Oh my God, that's awesome,that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh my gosh, that's funny.
Did you ever get into any?
Did you work with Joe a lot,didn't Joe Smith?
Oh yeah, I know, y'all gotsomething funny up there.
Joe's hilarious, joe'shilarious.
I called him about coming onand I'm going to guilt him.
He said I'm just not.
He's introverted now, yeah he'slike I'm too introverted to go

(30:20):
on the pod.
I was like come on, joe heintroverted to go on the pod.
I was like, come on, joe, he'dbe great, it's not live.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's got some of the funniest stuff he would do
awesome.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
He's had such dry humor.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I know You've got to listen to him twice.
It's great, are you serious?

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I remember when he'd done my home visit.
He just came in, stood at thedoor.
I was playing a video game orsomething.
When he came in I had it paused.
He's like oh, you playing, thatthat's pretty good.
He's like, all right, looksgood, see you joe was.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I guess he was supervisor one night he was
sergeant.
Let's meet him and I don't, Ican't remember who else was
working he had.
He had a couple 10, 15s or oneand I had one in the back of my
car, two separate things.
So I'm going south on main,like toward the pd.
He's coming north and no, Itake that back.

(31:19):
I had a 10 15.
He's coming north and he seessomebody walking.
This is late, like one in themorning or so, so he stops and
the guy that he's stopping tocheck takes off, running from
him straight to me, likestraight at me.
So I'm like, all right, I gotthis guy.
So what am I going to do?
I said, all right, I'll chasehim.
So I throw the car in park, Itake off, chase him north on

(31:43):
Main.
We're kind of like there byHuffman's in that area, at the
school or the sidewalk.
You know they dip down when youget to the street.
So we're running, running andthen the sidewalk just comes out
from under my feet Right, soface plant into the street,

(32:04):
knocked my front teeth off andit just so happened the guy I
was chasing he had done theexact same thing so we both
piled up, so I grab him.
Here comes Joe.
Joe shows up, so I've got thisguy blood everywhere, my tooth
broke out.
So what does he assume?
He?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
thinks it's your fault and he's punching you
around.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
So that kind of goes south and at some point I'm like
.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I fell down oh yeah, you know he should have ran a
chance more of the story.
Yeah, oh my gosh, we had someme and Josh together.
I told the story about me andDerek up at the haunted area and
I know Josh.
I don't know.
You went to night shift for awhile with me back when it was

(33:00):
Derek and me and you and maybeand maybe I forgetkerson and
maybe I forget the othersupervisor it might have been
Matt or something like that andhere we go up there and Josh is
like Josh would go out there andcheck that alarm.
I was like did you forget?
He's like this place is hauntedJosh.

(33:21):
Oh yeah, I forgot.
You know, he's just beengoofing around.
You're talking about 4th Street.
Yeah yeah, 4th Street's gotsome heights on it.
We've seen some things out there, but oh, josh gets this call
one time and Josh, he'd go onthis bicycle diet where he rode
the bicycle.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I remember that Like that's all he did 20 miles a day
or something and ate gummybears.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Smart ones.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
How did you not just crap your pants all the time he
loses?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
like 40 pounds in a month or two.
So we get this call over at thetrailer park.
Josh's like I need some helpover here.
Some woman just whooped histail, threw him around.
I was like shit.
Josh lost a lot of weight.
In my defense she was a largewoman.

(34:16):
She was.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Women are We've said this before Pushed you over a
coffee table or something.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I think we were getting ready to take her kids
or something.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, it was a bad situation.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
And I remember as soon as I grabbed the radio I
was like as soon as I came up.
That's when she throws me oversomething, over a table, and
stuff's breaking.
I need some help, daddy.
I was like somebody get rid ofme.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, so we get there and this woman's.
So of course we're going to belike you got beat up by a woman,
Josh, Come on you asking forhelp, but there's been some
times man, you don't want nopart.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Listen.
Fight like men or worse.
We've said it before women arehard to fight you don't want to
fight a woman like you would aman sometimes.
They want to be fought, likeyou that's funny.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
So me and Josh, I know we talked about should we
talk about this or not.
It's too much, it's too funnynot to talk about.
So Josh becomes my trainingofficer.
We've established that Igraduated the Academy in 2003,
went to my call a day, went tohog head, went to my call a day,

(35:30):
end up with Josh on day shiftand you know I roll with Joe,
some here, me and Josh are, andit's like week one that I'm with
him.
Day one we go on a burglarycomplaint.
They're behind the PD somewhere.

(35:50):
We got our guns out checkingthis house, searching.
The next day we got our gunsout checking this house, you
know, searching.
The next day we got our gunsout on something else I mean it
was.
And then we go on a trafficstop and I look over at Josh as
we pull up together riding.
We come out, we break leather.

(36:12):
We're pointing our guns downthere, you know, at this suspect
.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
John Whitehead had somebody stopped and he said
something about a gun.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, said something.
I didn't know that because Iwas driving.
Josh jumps out, he breaksleather.
I come out, I drawn down, Ilook at what Josh's.
Why are we putting our guns allthe time?
Because Johnny is like I don'tknow?
Because Johnny is a guest, wewere just like I don't know what
to do with my hands.
It's like I'm serious.
It was every time we got out ofthe car For whatever reason,

(36:42):
there was like a week straight.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Everything we went through was gun cut.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's not like we just jumped out like
here we go.
But I remember another time itwas a chicken festival night.
Well, two chicken festivalstories real quick.
I don't know if you guysremember?
So me and Josh were doing the500.
Yes, but he turned around andwas going to play chicken with

(37:08):
me.
I don't know if you rememberthis.
We hit head on and both tirescame off the back tires.
When we hit, we just looked ateach other like, oh my gosh, are
you okay?
Head on, both tires came offthe back tires.
When we hit, we just looked ateach other like, oh my gosh.
Are you okay?
We're getting ready to get intothe Sloan air.
I know one night at ChickenFestival Eric Wilkerson had went

(37:29):
up and found a couple guysbreaking in To a booth or
something.
We had a bunch of break-ins thenight before at the booth we
were on high alert.
We was going to catch them,because that's what night shift
did.
We was going to catch thesepeople breaking into people's
stuff.
There was a burglary complainton North Main.
I'm not 100% it's me and youworking, but I ran and got my

(37:52):
car to back him up because theother officer was out doing
something else.
So I was real close to the PD.
So I got in my cruiser and wentdown to Eric who was on North
Main Street at like a burglaryin progress.
He gets out and they go on footpursuit.
This is the secondary part ofthat.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Just before that, josh and I find somebody running
through the, just for no reason.
They're just some dude runningthrough, running through.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And we catch him.
Jamie was with me then.
Yeah, and you all was on golfcarts.
We were on a golf cart.
And I was chasing him in acruiser and Jamie Sloan was
hanging off the side of thatthing like a monkey just
checking that car you better run.
You better run.
You better run, yes, yes, thisidiot.

(38:46):
He runs up in our alley BehindMedical Arts.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And it doesn't have a .

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Nowhere to go.
Nowhere to go, so he's trapped.
And of course I was a littleaggressive officer and Jamie
Sloan was like I saw.
He said your eyes glazed over,you scared me.
I was like Jamie, you were overthere hanging off that side
like a monkey.
I was like what in the world?

Speaker 4 (39:11):
he's got a Mad Max in it.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was classic but the funniest Sloan story.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I think I know where you're going.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, let's set the stage here, because Josh and I
and Derek were the we were nightshift.
We were night shift, we get acall and it was super busy that
night.
So I end up coming to the UIstop at Arby's, which is now
where Texas Roadhouse is.
So I'm there on this DUI stopand I've got like there's four

(39:46):
people in the car.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Two guys, two girls.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, I'm dealing with the driver, and it was one
of the women and her daughterand they were just mouthing,
mouthing, mouthing, mouthing.
The guys were pretty cool, butthey were drunk too, so I'd
already hooked them up.
But I've got two spots in mycruiser to put the rest of the

(40:13):
people.
So I called Derek.
Josh was out on something elseand he comes over and he's like
okay, so one took off runningand I caught her.
So she was my first 10-15.
She was the driver.
The other one, the daughter,kept running, running that mouth

(40:35):
, so I hooked her up too.
So now I got four peoplearrested.
I can't get them back.
I think a deputy came becauseyou were tied completely up.
I don't remember what it was.
But yeah, and Derek couldn'tstay because he had a burglary
in progress.
Go on.
Another very emergency call.
I couldn't leave mine.
We're just spread real thin andI get them to the PD.
I couldn't leave mine.

(40:56):
We're just spread real thin andI get them to the PD.
I think a deputy helped mebring them and then Josh gets
freed up.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
So I go to the PD to help book these people.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Because it was getting a little wild.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, oh man, where do you start?
So to kind of tell the storythese two guys, this was their
very first blind date with thismother and daughter.
Yeah, it's already jacked upfrom the get-go.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, that's weird, right, they're very quiet and
cooperative because they figuredout real quick, uh-oh we have
really messed up.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
We should not have went on a date with these two
women.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
At some point he calls up to dispatch and Jamie
had just started.
Jamie was dispatching, yeah,and he comes back there.
Go ahead with that, because Idon't know why and how this all
got started, how he got evencalled.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I don't know if they could see our video.
I don't know, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
You were like you need to come back here or
something, Something probablyyeah.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
So the best way I can remember, one of the women had
went after you.
They were all sitting in thebook and trying to do her
paperwork.
One of them tries to go afterTravis, so I go in that was the
daughter, I think she was justmouthing and she gets up and
goes after Travis.
So I grab her.
So we're fighting and then whenthat starts happening the

(42:31):
mother she jumps up and goesafter him Goes after me, so
Travis gets her other.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
She jumps up, jumps after him, goes after me, so
travis gets her.
At one point there was the onethat came after me, josh grabs,
and she hits the bench that'ssitting back there and her head
hit that light switch thing andshe went out for a hot second.
She was knocked.
She was knocked out a littlebit, but somehow jamie sloan's
back there watching this and hestopped at the vending machine

(43:00):
and got a pack of peanut m&ms.
So he's just sitting therewatching all this eating his
everything just like a littlesquirrel over there, just his
eyes going, darting around likeyou can just see him like where
do I go?
And at one and at one point.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I'm riding the one like a bull on their back.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, I take one down Her pants, like she had on
jeans or something.
They came down all the way, soI look like I've mounted up from
behind on this girl.
The ask for being well, thatwas later.
Yeah, but I know this pepperspray was coming out everywhere.
It was like the fountains atthe Bellagio or wherever Be a

(43:45):
stream of pepper spray goingthis way.
Yeah, it was like we put musicinside it and they were just
lobbing.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
We ruined that printer I know we did and the
desk gets kicked out on thefloor and the computers are
everywhere.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
And they were fighting this man and it's just
the women that's fighting.
Oh, they're trying to kill us.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
They're like oh, what have we done?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
They're just sitting there and they're sitting there
choking in this paper.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
At some point Jason Van Hook was working in the
sheriff's office and he comes inthe back door asked about and
he's herding this one across thefloor like smacking the floor
beside her, trying to drive herlike one of those pig, shows
exactly what.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
It's exactly what did he keep eye contact the whole?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
time?
I think so, but he couldn'tstay in long because that pepper
spray was yeah yeah, and thenthen derrick shows up.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
He's like what have you all done?
What's going?
I mean, it was full-on, jerryspringer.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
No, I mean he comes in in, he starts hacking a
coffin.
He said get them out of here.
I was like I'll take these guysdown there.
I'm pretty sure I don't know ifI even wrote him a citation.
It just said go on, I have aDUI.
I have this assault on policeofficers.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I have a menacing I have a law book full of charges
on police officers.
I have a menacing yeah, it'sturned into a.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I have a law book full of charges on them two and
I'm pretty sure when we got downto the jailhouse I just said go
on, boys, they're like we getit.
Because I was like I don't havetime, and it was.
I mean, calls were still goingout.
Derek had went.
He got in a foot pursuit whilewe was doing all this and he was

(45:18):
mad.
You know, he's like we're tiedup.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
There's probably a Netflix series somewhere like
Worst Date Ever or something.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's got to be, that's awesome Blind date,
double date with mom anddaughter, and we went to hell
quick.
Yeah, it was terrible.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Somewhere, I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I can find yeah, it was terrible somewhere.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I don't know if I can find somewhere.
I've got the video from that.
We've got to find that it wasclassic and Jamie Sloan's still
eating peanut M&M's.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I still see it every time me and him get into it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
He's always eating, like the last time he he's just
that guy in the corner eatingpopcorn eating popcorn like ah,
I got you it's funny classic wehad fun just like a Jerry
Springer it really was.
I couldn't believe it washappening.
I remember one time you are thefather that's what Sloan was

(46:10):
waiting for.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
He was going to read the results.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I remember one time that woman kept getting up and
dog cussing me.
I hit the date, I hit the table.
I'm pretty sure that's whenJosh called and said you need to
get back here, Jamie.
I think I was starting to getfrustrated.
She'd slipped her handcuffs offand had one on, had the other

(46:33):
one off.
I was like I had to get it back.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It was on after that and it was a video, and it was
every bit of it was justified.
Oh yeah, crazy, crazy stuff,but it was yeah we had fun, like
trying to catch a greased pigor something.
It was yeah you trained in.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
You trained Danny Robinson too, didn't you for
some time?

Speaker 3 (46:57):
yeah, I don't remember when that was, but yeah
, at some point so during thisFTO.
So one of the greatest stories.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I've ever heard.
You can see, yeah, I don't knowthis one, I just know that it's
a short story, but it was funnyso Danny's driving and I'm
FTOing, ftoing, shoplifting callat uh what was it called
vendors mall?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
yeah, north main when it was there at the palace
place or whatever.
Yeah, bright, hot, sunny summerday, ac wide open.
So we put and they had toldthey'd come out and was like
we're still watching them, justwait out here, we don't want to
spook them or whatever.
And uh, so I was like, well,just pull up here until they
come out.

(47:42):
I think maybe we just ate lunchor something.
But you know how that goes.
So I'm out just like a lot, I'mgone sleep.
So eventually I come to I'mlike, alright, has Danny got
these people or what?
And I look over and Danny's out, he's gone, completely asleep.
So we're both sitting hereasleep and I'm like, oh no, have

(48:05):
these people left?
Walked right past our car orwhat's happened?
But luckily I don't think theyhad.
That was funny we both fellasleep and I think I told him
just wait for them to come outand tell us that was funny.
We both fell asleep broaddaylight.
I was like alright, just waitfor them to come out and tell us
hit me, or whatever no, thatdidn't work.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I couldn't imagine Danny sitting over dead asleep
like drooling.
I saw him in law class so Iknew how he'd go Be like.
Oh, that guy's sleeping.
I think I'm drifting.
I'm drifting.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
He went out.
Let's make him go.
Stand at the back of theclassroom.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
He was a constant one back there.
I don't think he fought it much.
He's like I'm out yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
He's a good detective .
Another Derek story for you.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, another Derek story for you.
Yeah, I love Derek stories.
He loves them too.
He gets me.
I'll get a phone call, man, isthat what you really think about
me?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
well, yeah, I guess he did do this one, so I don't
remember what year it was, butthere was a shot.
It was a shoplifting complaintstarted that way at the same
place you talked about, but wewhere Texas Road has, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Used to be a shell station or something.
Yeah, I had a shell station.
I had an Arby's at one time.
I had one of them sandwichshops there for a while too,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
So and I want to think it was maybe Roy Gamble
was working in me and I don'tknow who else, and I think
possibly Roy got there firstcaused pursuit.
It was a female shopliftingtakes off in the car and, for
whatever reason, I was likepulling in right when all this
was happening.
So I ended up being first carin the pursuit.

(49:47):
So we go out.
363, maple Grove.
Pretty good.
Pretty good we get to where theS curves are when you get pretty
good way up, oh yeah.
So we get through there andthis chick just takes off in
somebody's yard and I follow her.

(50:09):
So we go around and there'speople on the back porch
barbecuing, oh my God.
So we're going around, mudflying, come back out to the
road and she ripped.
And then there's gunshots inthis pursuit, by the way, but
not for me.
So long story short, 10-15,.

(50:30):
Take her because she wascomplaining of being in her
hospital.
Allergic to cuffs?
Yeah, yeah.
So go to the hospital.
Allergic to cuffs?
Yeah.
So I go to the hospital, gether checked in, yada, yada, and
I'm sitting back there at thelittle desk trying to do
paperwork.
They come to get her to go dox-rays or something.
So after like 45 minutes I waslike where's this chick at?

(50:53):
And they said I don't know.
We took her back to the room.
Gone, beats feet.
Escapee on the run.
Oh yeah, been there.
So long story short.
She's gone for like a week,probably three or four days a
week.
I get a call one day to come bythe PD to the front.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
And it's like the flower delivery people
delivering me flowers and thethe.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Tag on the flowers says there's this big note.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Thank you if it wasn't for you I couldn't be
free like I am today, and it wassigned this woman's name or
whatever.
Yeah, but there it's awesome,yeah, yeah, from my escapee.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Oh yeah, it's embarrassing how long did they
let you go before they?
It wasn't hard to figure out,jeez.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I mean you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I mean I was tore up about it anyway oh yeah, I was
up at they just were seating acircuit is the guy that me and
Richie talked about that wefound in the corner and we
picked him up, body slammed, allthat stuff.
So they were sitting in acircuit court trial, they were

(52:23):
sitting in a jury and lastsecond, during this, I mean they
were getting ready to start thetrial process and he comes in
with a plea.
So he pleads to like five, tenyears or whatever, and they were
like, okay, so I'm still upthere just kind of waiting.
This was in the old courthouse.

(52:43):
I'm like, hmm, well, good, sowe're sitting up there talking
to some bailiffs.
Well, some bailiffs go and getthat guy some food and let him
go to the bathroom.
Well, he shimmied out man.
He was an escape artist, youknow.
Like we said in that lastpodcast, he'd hid from us.
Good, well, he scales down theside and gets out a window and
he's gone and bailiffs werelooking around.

(53:05):
Have you seen him?
I'm like, oh no, you know, he'slike a master at escaping.
He was gone for two weeks manReally he was right there I.
He was gone for two weeks.
Man, really he was right there.
I think they found him up inSioux Bend somewhere hiding, but
it was crazy I was like oh mygosh, I finally did redeem
myself and catch my chick too,how'd you find him.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We got an address or something.
Somebody ratted her out orsomething I can't remember.
Eventually yeah, so you went.
I think I actually did go.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I would have yeah, you get determined on that stuff
.
Yeah, man it drives you crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You're like I've got to find her.
You've got a hundred thingsgoing on in your head and she's
right there and you're like I'vegot to find her and your cop
friends are relentless and sendyou flowers.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, of course Jerks .

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I don't remember that that's good stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Derek would do that.
No no no, that's funny, though.
What else we got?
I know you got some classics.
Let's see, we had such a goodtime All them years of policing
together.
I remember our last nightpolicing when he was at the PD

(54:15):
right before we went to's office.
He's working night shift andstarted the next day.
Oh yeah, it was crazy.
I was like what are you?
Why are you here?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
yeah, I had to have night shift and just the
difference in the world I didn'thave.
I mean, I knew it was different, but not that different.
So the next, whenever I startedat the sheriff's office, of
course you know I up get myuniform on.
I was day shift like six.
I think we were working six tofour or something.
Yeah, and you know 10-8,.

(54:43):
You know, drive to thesheriff's office.
There's no lights.
I mean it's completely blackedout, no lights, nobody there.
I go in, turn the lights on thewhole first day, never seen
anybody.
I just answered call after callafter call.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
It's a different world.
Yeah, everybody else that went10-8 from the bed.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, yeah, they got up, got their coffee until about
8 or 9.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
That was the routine for the sheriff's department,
was you?
You called 10-8 and got in theshower.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Different world yeah, I had a job offer from them
later.
I was like man, man, it wouldhave been like to to work there
parts of me think it would havebeen better, and then others
would be like, yeah, you get,you get pretty much destroyed.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Yeah, yeah, you might have two deputies working well
and there for the longest timethey didn't have detectives that
were picking up.
You know, you may, you mightget stuck with whatever you get
a rape or a sex, you knowsomething yeah you're stuck
working it.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, it's hard here, you're, you're it, yeah, it's
different.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
It is different.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
We were spoiled and had stacy so well you spoiled
and you had three units most ofthat that was required they were
always backing up.
Well, that's true, yeah notnearly nearly the area to cover
as a sheriff's office, whichspoiled you.
You always had backup for themost part.
I mean there's those rareoccasions where we're all

(56:08):
chasing crazy people, but it wasyou always had somebody, or at
least knew somebody was going tobe there within a few minutes,
absolutely.
Yeah, because you could get overtown at night shift.
You could be anywhere youneeded to be in about two to
three minutes.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
I'm not saying that you can effectively run 100 and
so on Main Street, but you cando it.
That's what they say.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Allegedly it's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
They say Allegedly it's dangerous.
You were talking about theLittle John story earlier.
Yeah, might as well tell thatone.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
See, I have no recall of this.
I was just told this by Huggy.
Okay, so Justin Hopkins waslike, listen, he was telling
this story one night or one day.
We was talking it was the nextday because I think we was
working in schools together hesaid let me tell you what
happened.
So I'm going to let you takethat, because I have no idea

(57:09):
everything happened.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
I'll tell you the best I can remember, I was the
sergeant.
I guess we were.
It was a night shift at thattime, or maybe I was feeling the
interest, I don't remember.
So there's me.
Little john may just been meand little john and little
john's awesome.
I love little john.
You could tell little johnclimb up in that tree and stay
there till I was a marine, yeahclimb up in the tree.

(57:33):
I'll let you know when to comedown, and he'd be up there a
week later yeah so, anyway, andhe, I don't think he, I don't
think he was from here, was he,was he, or he'd been maybe from
here, but he'd been gone.
Yeah he was military, yeah sodidn't really know the area all
that well.
So he he had a GPS he wouldkeep in his car, you know where

(58:02):
it'll go.
So we get a call earlier in thenight about a female refusing
to leave a house or something.
John handles that, I didn'teven go.
So later we get a call of aburglary at.
Was it Justin's?
Justin's?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Justin's house.
Yeah Right, it was a forwardmove, but it was right there on.
I think he was living in adouble water or something.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
So I go to that and there's this chick in his house
Drunk and I kicked the door inand went.
They found her like in the bedor walking down the hallway.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
She was in the bed, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
So I snatch her up, 10, 15.
I'm like, all right, yeah, wegot her, hoorah.
Yeah.
And little John, he yells at me.
He's like I think maybe we'drun her license or had her
somewhere come up with anaddress.
I can't remember exactly how itwent.
So he yells and he's like I wasjust with her earlier.

(59:07):
I was like, hmm.
He said yeah, that call thatthey were trying to get this
lady out of their house.
He said I think that's her.
He said I took her home.
And my heart starts droppingright.
So I was like, oh, where'd youtake her?
Oh, to such and such, whateverthe address was.
And I'm standing there.

(59:30):
And I'm like, oh, no, so.
I was like so how did youdetermine this was her house or
whatever she said it was?
I told him an address and hepunched it in the GPS and it was
actually real near there, butit wasn't the right house.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
So he takes her basically assists her in
breaking into one of the PD unittasks.
Wow, that is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It worked out and it was an honest mistake, but we
gave him a hard time after that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Justin, he told me.
He said I didn't know.
Josh used that kind of language.
He said he lit him up for aminute.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Little John was known as Magellan there for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
That's awesome, find his way around you find.
You definitely earned yournicknames.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
In this field of work .
Honest mistake.
She thought she was home.
She thought she was home, shewas like Couldn't get her key to
open, so she kicks the door inand goes to bed.
She was like the three littlebears, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
She's this pillow.
This is just right.
It just happened to be a yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, what's the?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
odds of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, what's the?

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
odds of nobody being home whenever they?
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
He's probably over at mom's and and dads or somewhere
you know they're alwaystogether, that's well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
That's family oriented bunch I've ever seen so
I went from being like allright, yeah, we got this chick
that broke in their house too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh my god we caused this we're complicit in this
burglary exactly exactly, it'sgood times.
What else you got?

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
I don't know years and years worth.
Can you think of anything?
I'm just about out.
I'm sure there's more.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I'm sure there's plenty more, just like how you
do 20 something years ofpolicing everything starts to
run together holy cow, did thishappen then?
But it's just the way it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I can't remember did Gary tell the story about him
and little John and the femalethat was.
They pretty much thought theywas going to have to have hazmat
suits to take care of her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I got a similar story .
If you're going where I thinkyou're going, yeah, this one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
she was on something.
It was like bath salts orsomething.
She was out of her headcompletely naked.
I was off.
That was my short day for thatweek.
Thank God I missed that one andhe got out there assisting them
.
She was going to town.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
He was one of your marital aides.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Oh I didn't think that's where you were going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
This was a yeah.
From the story that I heard, itwas a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I don't want to go this route.
Yeah, so you obviously wasn'tthere, so I'd rather hear yours,
because that sounds awful.
Yeah, this is bad, but hisnickname is Porkchop.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Now, oh no, wow, we'll get him to tell it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Similar Well, not similar to that, no, I'm glad.
But I think I was still at thePD.
That's when we had well, krogerNorth Main it's still there.
So, shoplifter, and they hadtheir little office.
They would take them upstairs.
Female shoplifter All right,whatever, roll in.
I walk in and I noticeeverybody's like all the

(01:03:04):
cashiers and stuff.
They're looking at me all weird, what's up?
And they would just pointtoward the office.
She's up there, okay, get alittle closer to the office.
Somebody else gives me a weirdlook and points she's up there.
Okay, get a little closer tothe office.
Somebody else gives me a weirdlook, points she's up there, all
right.
So I get upstairs and there'stwo or three managers or whoever
Weird looks on their face.

(01:03:25):
She's over there sitting in ametal chair with crap dripping.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Oh yeah, that's dripping into the floor.
They're just feeling sorry foryou yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I've been there.
I wonder if it's the same one.
She used to go and steal thoseLarge woman, that one lady, that
Kenny Jones.
Somebody got that long carchase.
She would take those dust offstuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Oh yes, I've dealt with her.
Hit that stuff She'd pass out.
I know you're talking aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, but I don't even know if she's alive anymore
.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
I don't think she is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
It's sad, but she got hooked on, yeah, on that kind
of stuff.
Used to live in each part oftown, yeah.
So I was taking um, I wastaking her to jail.
She'd shoplifted some of thosethings from walmart to the pd's.
Only what?
A half mile, maybe a mile andum, she passed out back there,

(01:04:29):
came back too.
She said I pooped all overmyself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Back here I was like, and then it hit me that smell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I was hanging my head out like a dog.
I was like, oh my gosh, I madeher clean it at least.
I was like, yeah, I ain'ttouching that.
I think I I was ready to burnmy car to the ground.
It just happens One time thesewomen me and I think it was me
and TC we were sitting, I justhad to go deliver like a death

(01:05:00):
notification, awful.
So we're sitting underneath andit was at the like the Flowers
Bakery, so we're sitting acrossthe and it was at the Flowers
Bakery in there, so we'resitting across the road over at
that funeral home.
It sounds morbid, but that wasjust where we could park.
They're close to each other, sowe're sitting there talking
about this.
I'm like man, I'm getting readyto walk in here.

(01:05:21):
We was trying to verify that.
He was there and TC's likewe're sitting there in the cop
two to position and, uh, thiswent this.
Women go by and they help.
They holler out a few cops or afew pigs.
You know I was like huh, so wechase them down, of course,

(01:05:41):
because I just would pull upand they're naked.
I was like, what are you doingOn dates?
I'm like, what have you all?
Why?
Why would you?
Did you just want to show us,because you didn't think we'd
come after you?
What is going on?
I was like, oh my gosh, I knewtheir mom Really.

(01:06:02):
Oh, it got real bad real quick.
It was her 18th birthday, oh,and I was like I'm going to have
to call, I'm going to have tocall on you here.
Oh no, it was horrible,horrible.
Look, they weren't even drunk,they were just stupid, stupid,
naked and driving around.
I'm like, why, come on?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
What is wrong?
It's hard to figure out whatgoes through people's head.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
But that was the we've had just now.
Mount Vernon, kentucky.
When I went up there for a hotminute there's more.
I saw more dead people in thatlittle town and more naked
people than I ever, ever wantedto see in my life.
Some of them would be deadnaked.
Some of them would just benaked.
I walked out, me and ed robbins.

(01:06:50):
You remember, ed?
He's working the jail down here, yeah and another deputy or
another officer.
We go on this domestic calledwoman or mother daughter.
She kicks open this door or wewe're let in and this one the
daughter's in the shower andshe'd been in there like hours,

(01:07:10):
just wouldn't come out.
Mom's like you've got to leave,you've lost your mind, all that
stuff.
So I said next time she openedthat door, don't let her close
it again, because the mom wantsher out of here.
She's crazy, let's get her help.
So she opened that door alittle, crack it and then boys
just piled in.
So I was in the back bedroomtalking to mom and when I come

(01:07:31):
out she's.
She's naked as a jaybird and Ilook at her and she said what
are you looking at?
you want a piece of that I waslike no, god, no, please, no,
thank you.
I'm scarred for a long time.
Like no, no, thank you, I'mgood.
Oh my gosh.
That reminds me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
We get Cody on here, I'll get him to tell it from his
perspective.
But we've got video of it too.
But it was a 202A call and itwas over in one of the complexes
, the apartment complexes.
But we'd had calls.
This was probably the fifthcall to this apartment that day.
This was probably the fifthcall to this apartment that day.

(01:08:11):
And uh, same kind of scenario.
The mother had let the daughterwho was 202, which is which is
mentally ill, and uh, stay there.
Well, she's off, her meds wentnuts and won't leave.
So we go over there, we'retrying to sweet talk her all
that.
Well, she comes down the stairswhen we get there and she's
arguing with us and telling usall that and then, just in the
middle of our conversation, juststarts stripping butt naked.

(01:08:35):
And you try and maintain aprofessional attitude.
I may have an idea who that is.
You don't laugh.
Her mom's real little.
She's a big unit, though, oh.
Oh, that's not who I'm thinking, though, but she uh, but cody I
know what you're talking aboutin the middle of it it's so

(01:08:55):
funny.
On his body cam you just hearhim go honey quit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Oh, that's gross I came around we had this.
We had a complaint of thiswoman drunk walking around over
at those trailer.
That little trailer park onMiddle Ground Way, you know what
I'm talking about.
Back there, Just three or fourtrailers.
Well, me and Boo and somebodyelse pull in there and I hit.

(01:09:23):
My headlights hit first and shesaid this drunk woman, older
lady, is in a kiddie pool justsplashing around naked.
I was like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Here we go.
You know what's going on.
I was like oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Get her a shirt and let's go.
So we took off.
Well, I don't know whose it was, but there was a bunch of there
was some clotheslines out outthere.
We just yanked a t-shirt off,said put that on and get in this
car.
I don't know, we probably stoleit.
I don't have a clue where wethat, but it had to.
We had to get that covered up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Yeah, we can't handle this stuff tendency to run into
naked people pretty high andpolicing it is for some reason
crazy I missed out.
During covid, too, they had aguy that you may have been
involved in this With a guy.
Everybody was trying to stayout of getting COVID and all
that.
They had a call.

(01:10:14):
It may have been over ReamsLane, I can't remember, but they
had to end up fighting with anaked guy that ended up tested
positive for COVID.
Every one of them got sick.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
You retired in 2019, right before COVID, or something
let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I've been at the courthouse for a little over
five years, five and a halfyears, so right about that time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Right in there.
It's an enjoyable time, thatretirement feeling.
While it lasted yeah, then yougo right back to work right back
to work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Can you really?

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
consider that work though it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
It's way more laid back than yeah, I I where I work
, you know, in schools I've,I've, honestly I've had two
complaints I've had to work thisyear really parking lot wreck
that didn't really requirenothing because they took care
of it on on their own and justsome crazy guy other than that
it's been.

(01:11:12):
I'm like I can't believe theypaid me to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
I've done nothing.
There comes a time where youjust you got to slow down.
Yeah, I don't know, I'm readyto uh I'm ready to hang it all
up now I'm getting closer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I feel it in my like.
I'm ready to hang up the gunbelt.
Got'm getting closer.
I feel it in my Like.
I'm ready to Hang up the gunbelt.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Got it out of your, out of your blood, out of your
system.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I might have to reapply For the courthouse or
something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
There's no way it would have to pay Really, really
well Before I'd ever put a gunbelt Back on I know, oh man,
it's been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
What a trip down memory lane, because josh and I
you started 98 98 you were.
I was just a couple yearsbehind you, but it feels like
you know which.
We see each other all the time,but it's, it's just a right
there, you know you.
You're like I'm retiring now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
I was like I got two years whatever it was like I'm
almost there.
It's just a just crazy prettymuch all the way through.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Yeah, together basically until you went to the
so but we still though you knowboth day shifts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Of course I went also , you know, thinking oh, I can
make more money at this.
So then we got as soon as I goto the yeah as soon as you go
there, so then the city gets abig pay raise.
Yeah, but it's not always aboutmoney, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
No, but if you're in your last three years and
wanting to bump that high threeyou're not yeah.
Yeah, I know it becomesSometimes.
It ain't worth it, though it'ssticking too, long.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
You know what I'll take, I'll go early, and that's
what I question people that cango, that still have that 20-year
?
Oh yeah, why would you not getit?
Well, you've got to weigh outand use it.
Well, you can, and then go getyou a second job if you want to
do that still.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
I've done my 20.
I've done my 20, and when Iretired, I had the intention I
wasn't retiring retiring.
I retired knowing that I wasgoing back to work.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, me too.
I was told by my wife likeyou're 46 years old, You're not
retired, You're not retired.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Yeah, that was a good thing about policing is that
was a career that you could getinto.
Work your 20 years, get into itat 21, be 41 when you retired
or 45 or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah, go get another retirement.
And then go get anotherretirement.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Well, that's what like, and it's changed some now,
though, they would tell us like, you get that 20 years retire,
then you go make money right Imean, and it's been that it's
been a pretty cool way to lookat it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Like that, it's like let your piddly retirement pay
your electric bill or whatever,right yeah and that's, that's,
but you make you know, it's oursforever and I, no matter what I
do, if I change jobs a hundredtimes, I never start at zero.
Right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
I've always got that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
I've got a salary coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
That's nice to have which they did.
Now they changed, changed where.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Yeah, so the tier that I went into was tier three,
and so your insurance is notpaid anymore.
You get like so much per yearof service, and then to get it
even close to paying it you'dhave to work like 35 years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah, that's the bad part about it is the benefits.
Yeah, 20 years is awesome.
Yeah, you don't make as much asyou did if you went the full 27
or whatever you need to get to,but it's there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
But when I was one of the last last, I think they
changed it real quick, so youwere right on the edge because
you had a tier 2a tier 2a, Ithink I was 20

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
yeah, I was that and then, after that it was, went to
25 so the tier I was in was 25.
If you were hazardous, if youwork for a non-hazardous agency,
it was like 27 or years ofservice plus such and such had
to equal 80 or whatever I meanwhich makes it even harder now
to get good, and why.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
You know when.
What?
If the incentives aren't there,why do?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
it and there's and, to be honest, 20 years, yet
young.
But your body breaks down, man.
Oh yeah, I can't turn my headto the right left left anymore
my feet.
I've got to go get cortisoneshots in both my toes now every
90 days.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
It's kind of like the NFL.
You don't see these guysquarterbacks.
You see them retiring at 40.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
You see them at 30.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Nobody wants to be out on the street fighting and
running.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
You're hearing eight batteries go dead on you.
I've got all the old manproblems and I'm not even yet 50
.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
When you get out of the car and your knee pops loud
enough, it makes you drive yourgun.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
You got that stuff on the gun belt poking you in the
back for 20 years.
The incentive has changed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
People look at it and be like man.
That's way too young.
There's the way I haven't heardthey're trying to.
There's a reason.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
And I hope they bring it back.
I've heard something push itback.
Yeah, I've heard that too.
I don't know if it'll make itthrough.
I think it may be a Democratbill that's coming through, so
who knows, didn't they do somebuyouts and stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, I think and stuff and yeah, trying to trying
to close that get people on outthat can, especially the
20-year guys.
So who knows?
But we'll say policing'schanged a lot, but what they
really need to focus on,honestly, is pay fixes a lot of
stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
However, but just for benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
The benefit package that we got, compared to what
these new guys have, is just notworth it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Would you go into it as a 21-year-old right now like
that?
No.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
And you've got to weigh your mental health also as
far as the length of time thatyou're in it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And is my degrading mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Is it worth the extra two or three hours Of the stuff
that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
we've seen without losing, you can only file so
much in that brain before itspills out.
20 years is a good mark, and Istill think you need to go talk
to some people and do what we'redoing right here a full, a full
career debriefing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Yeah, absolutely, I've had conversations with my
wife and stuff, you know, notreally making fun or just kind
of making light of somethingthat you've done or whatever,
and she's like why would you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
say that that's terrible yeah, I'm like that's
just how you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
That's how you code wife.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
she's like you're so cold-hearted I said I'm not,
though.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I'm not being serious , it's a decon.
We call it like a conditioningyourself to bad and you're just
kind of able to prioritize andblock stuff out.
That really hits you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
One more quick story on that, kind of on that topic.
During that first week beforewe went to the police academy we
were just kind of floatingaround doing paint and whatever.
At the PD 46 comes out on theinterstate, tim Smilowood.
He's like come on, you can gowith me.
So we go First call.
I'd ever been on as a policeofficer.
Right, we were still waiting togo to the academy.

(01:18:03):
Roll up there's like a head-onat the 38.
Some man and woman's heads aresmashed through the windshield.
They're both dead, it's youknow terrible.
Thing yeah, that's your firstcall, very first thing I ever
saw.
Yeah and uh.
So we get back in the car andtim's like all right, where you
want to eat lunch?

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
yeah, yeah what is wrong with you?
Yeah, it's like I need sometime yeah, yeah but you get
exactly, but you get there andit's amazing how fast, you get
there yeah, and it's, it's.
It's funny.
You'll be like you'll bestanding over a you know a dead
body or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
You're sitting there saying we're gonna eat, we
eating fist again, or yeah,that's like there's only so many
times we can go eat mexican,you would think but our night
shift, I mean it was, I rememberme and Derek and I don't know
if we told this story and youmight have been working.
Daryl Zanet and Rob Mitchellwere out way out somewhere on

(01:19:01):
the county line towards ClayCounty.
This old man found out he hadcancer and he put a shotgun to
his face.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Is that the one that lived.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yes, yes, I remember.
You did tell it, so yeah, so,but that kind of stuff freaks
you out and you're like I can'tclose my, you know that's the
ones.
I still see in my brain yeah,absolutely.
And that's been 20 years ago.
That was early in my career.
There's still stuff I can smell.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Yeah, yes, so they always told me the smell the
first time you do a deathinvestigation or have to go do a
welfare check and yeah, youknow it turns out the worst way
it can.
Yeah, the smell when you enterthe room is and they're right,
you'll never forget that it is aspecific smell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I know Up there there's been two calls of smells
that I still can't, a bunch ofdead dogs in a house that got
trapped on Ford Street.
That was awful, and then thatlittle old lady up there had
died.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Is that the one that didn't have family close by and
they hadn't checked on her in awhile?
It was horrible.
Yeah, yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That one just affected you're like oh yeah
they, it's just this just tough,it's a tough business and
that's, that's a good point ifyou've got family relatives that
you ain't checked on in a while.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Check oh yeah, she had been there so long she had
melted into the couch rough, andthat's the things that you know
.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Another thing with policing and with this, you know
, 20 years is about all.
Somebody can take a lot oftimes really, yeah, and then go
do something yeah, you gotsomething joyful.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
You gotta make light of it, make the best, yeah I've
never.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
I've never been in the military and and you know
you've got your tours of duty onthat, but you get to come home
from that.
Yeah, on as far as policing.
So I don't want, I don't wantto take light of that and with
what I'm saying, you know, butyou go out every day and see
this in the same spot, the sameplace is the same.
It's like a, a tour that neverends, really, I mean yeah the

(01:21:06):
only difference is it could bereal bad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, my first week is cheap.
You know, oh, my triple fatalon the interstate and you're
like, oh my gosh, it makesnational news.
I'm like, uh, you know, youjust have and it just started
and I tell everybody I'm like Ihad 19 and a half years of
awesome policing.
And then that last six monthswas brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
Yeah, it was a rough six months.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
It was a rough six months Dealing with that.
When things happen and peopletalk and I'm fortunate enough
that I've got a great familythat check on me and I'm blessed
that even my therapist knowsthat things will trigger and
she'll call and reach out and belike hey you doing okay, you

(01:21:57):
need to come in so it's funny,but it's tough everybody needs
to decompress.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
With all that being said, don't be ashamed to go
talk to somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
It's just part of it it is anything else, or we want
to shut it down not that I canthink of I'm sure I will as soon
as we quit.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
If you're like the rest of us, we think of three
more stories as soon as we'redone we'll do it again sometime.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
I enjoyed it guys.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I appreciate it.
It's been great having you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Josh, I enjoyed it.
Thank you all.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Don't be a stranger, we'll see you next time.
I did some pre-sign.

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