Hide and seek, Cheeto Dust, and Boobie Traps.

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As the episode rolls on, we reflect on the evolution of policing and the brotherhood it fosters, while never missing a beat on the humor front. From the bizarre to the downright comical, we cover it all: car break-ins, mannequin-induced jump scares, and even a debate over an Instapot that went hilariously off the rails. This episode promises a hearty laugh and a heartfelt nod to the camaraderie and chaos that make life in law enforcement unlike any other.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying low to
run a dim street light Laughingthrough the written reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts.
Tales from the force goneastray Caught up in the games
they play.
High speed chases gone awry.
Serious turns into pie in thesky, just out of jurisdiction,

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left during the conviction.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
So Darryl's in, it was on one side, I'm in the
middle, like it was like a threerotation, and then the bathroom
was down on the far.
It was like the back gate.
Where the general came in thesecure of Europe there, so he
always came in the back gate.
Where the general came in theSACU of Europe there, so he
always came in the back gate.
I'm sitting on the middle andit's like a guard shack with

(00:53):
sandbags, man, they was readyfor the Belgians to attack, I
don't know, the Poxiclip, yeah,and it was an hour rotation from
there to there.
Well, I'd been sitting therefor quite a while.
So Darrell was coming up.
And here's what happens Dang,sergeant, major and the general
from Kentucky National Guard,they come over.

(01:16):
So I'm popped, I stand two.
Okay, sir, you know, they musthave did well, challenged them
or something.
They gave me a coin andeverything.
I was like, yeah, I sat backdown and said I've got to pee.
Well, that delayed everything.
And here comes Darrell comes upfinally, because they left.
And then the rotation just wentlike this.

(01:36):
So I'm like I'm sitting there,I was like I've got to go
Darrell.
Well, I stood up, man, and Iwas like I got to go.
Darrell.
I stood up, man.
I was like I ain't going tomake it down there.
I cut open a sandbag and justpeed it.
Darrell's like what have youdone?
When Darrell's in, it's likewhat are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm laying in the floor peeing in the sandbag.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm just laying there peeing in the sandbag, here
comes he's like what are youdoing?
I was like.
And then I get this weirdbladder like spasm and I'm
rolling.
I start rolling around in thefloor trying to get relief.
He's like.
He's like I've been there, butit's usually from the other way.
So after that I can't hold mypee.

(02:23):
I'm like I gotta go there'ssomething wrong.
I think I tore my bladder.
You tore it open oh jeez.
So that's how every podcast hasgot some kind of pee story.
I'm sure yeah, he recorded thatyou're absolutely right.
I should know him better.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, that might be your niche.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
We're known for peeing on ourselves.
We're getting sponsored byDepends, I hope so.
I'll wear them If you're listed.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Depends there's probably people out there going.
You guys heard that pee podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's what, that's what the every show hey, gosh
all right, you guys ready?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
yeah, all right, welcome back.
We've got another episode foryou guys.
We've got richie reynolds herewith us.
We go way back.
Richie's got militaryexperience, lots and lots of
police experience.
We call the Navy.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'll leave that between you guys, here we go.
We got a.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Marine and a Navy guy in here, so let that banter
begin.
No, it's fun, but we've got alot of good stories for you with
this guy.
I got a lot of love for him.
But we've got a lot of goodstories for you with this guy.
I've got a lot of love for him.
Richie was actually the veryfirst poor guy, the very first
field training officer I had, soI'm sure he's got a lot to say

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about that.
And the call sign flash.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
He's a lot of reason for that too.
So your audience is aware ofthe call sign.
Yes, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, you've got some which call sign.
Should we give Bitchy Richie?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Or which one's the most Stallard.
I hate that guy.
Actually I love him.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
He was.
I don't know how many Rich, Iguess that was.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I don't know, we never really.
Uh, he somehow didn't have one.
He had all he had.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
He had a bunch of names, but all right, so my call
sign the dot came out.
Well, of course richie makes itthe longest thing you could
hear.
He just called me the shortnickname.
It was what t?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Tennessee Department of Transportation, so they would
call me that.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
One of the funniest things I ever.
Ever we was working on a caseor something, richie knocks out
this big, long case I mean itwas a three, four pager and he
turns it in to, I guess, StuartWalker and I'm pretty sure
Stuart was lieutenant at thetime, he was yeah, so he would
read our case jackets, like Imean like a novel.

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He'd put the readers on andjust I mean like proofread that
thing good.
So he's like, oh no.
I remember Richie just smacksthe top of his head.
He's like, oh no, he's going toread that.
I said why.
And then all of a sudden, what?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Travis, is your middle name G?
No, it was Quincy.
Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Quincy Is your middle name Quincy.
I was like huh At Richie's.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I was like oh, no, yeah, I put Travis Q Dotson.
It sounds like I had an.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Esquire at one point Is your middle name Quincy?
I was like no, I was like well,I'm busted.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, I mean it was funny.
It was one of those reportsthat wasn't going anywhere, you
know that most people don't evenread.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
But he read it thoroughly.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
It was funny.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Now, richie was a prime example of not taking
things too seriously, but whenthings got serious, he was good
to have there because he was awealth of knowledge and, as much
as we joked around and cut upand made fun of the job, I
learned a lot from him and I'mglad that he was one of my first
officers to train me, eventhough he did give me the

(06:28):
hardest time probably.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Flattery will get you everywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I met Richie on a call when he was at the
sheriff's office and I wasn'tpolicing yet, I just had got
home from the guard or something.
I hadn't went to the academyand I think he was working a
theft report, him and Chig orsomebody out at my mom and dad's
.
I don't think they ever gotthat report.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, if you didn't do it, chig if Chig was doing it
.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
You probably didn't get it.
So I don't know.
So how many years in lawenforcement?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
um, I guess 24, 25 ish somewhere around in there
now how many years?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
let's see navy.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
You did four years and three there and then three
in the national guard.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Okay, we get about the same time and in the service
together I did four Marines andtwo in the Guard, and so our
I'm at 23, 22 years in lawenforcement.
So we we're getting old.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's the problem because I'm too stupid, that's
why, we're doing this podcastnow before you guys get
Alzheimer's that's the onlything I know how to do, and I'm
not even good at it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I know, I know I'm not either.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well, when you get out of law enforcement, you
quickly realize you'reoverqualified for most things,
but you're not qualified foranything.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So where did you start your policing career?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Probably.
Corbin PD was probably thefirst real police experience I
ever had and I'll never forget.
I came out of the academy I wasramrod straight you know gun
hole, ready to saw all ofsociety's ills take care of
everything.
I hadn't been on at the time.

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Corbin PD was very short-handed, so we didn't get much in way
of field training.
They were just like you've beento the academy.
Here's your keys to your car,godspeed go, you know go.
So, me and this other guy I'llleave his name out of it, but
y'all know him um, we were, wewere working, so we were, you

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know, out stopping cars, doingrookie stuff, you know doing
what rookies do.
Well, I had to stop and I hadto go the bp station.
So I go to the bp station andyou know it's midnight, one
o'clock, and corbin, you knownothing going on.
You know five, five cars up,moving at tops.
Well, I go in there and I'mstanding behind this guy in a

(09:10):
long trench coat, you know, andthen there's a guy, there's a
customer in front of him so so Ithink I've told you all the
story.
Yes, so I don't know, I'mprobably I'm getting old well,
um well, this person pays andleaves.
Well, the guy in the long trenchcoat steps up and I noticed the

(09:33):
clerk, the, the attendant backthere.
It's a female and she'sprobably younger than me and I'm
in my 20s at this time, so, youknow, and I noticed she looks.
She's like he leans around,looks at me and her eyes are
bigger in quarters and I'm likewhat is this woman staring at me
?
She never seen a cop before.

(09:53):
Does she not know I'm a cop,you know, yeah.
I know I look good, or whateveryou know no, but I could tell
I'm joking about that, but Icould tell she's got some kind
of terror in her, you know, andI but I'm rookie, so I'm not the
most sharpest tool in the shedat this at this time.
So I'm like, well, that's weird.
And then I noticed she justkeeps staring at me.

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And then I hear the guy mumblesomething to her and she, she
looks at me again.
She just does like a doubletake at me, like trying to nod
her head.
So I'm like what is going onhere?
So I just kind of walk uparound the side and I notice
this guy standing there with agun drawn, pointed at him.
So I'm like, oh my god, so Idon't know.

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So I, you know, like I said, Ihave had very little training at
this point.
So I'm like Barney Fife.
I'm jumping up and down, I'mtrying to find my bullet in my
pocket.
I'm like what?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
do, I do, you know I pull my gun out put it back up,
pull my gun out.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Then I'm like freeze.
And then I grab a hold of theguy and the gun goes to the
ground.
Thank God, cause I was like, ohmy gosh, probably both.
So, cause I was thinking theonly thing I could think to
myself is I got a week on.
I cannot shoot somebody already.
This is gonna be crazy.
So we're going, we're, we're, Igrab a hold of him, the gun

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falls.
He looks at me with the the samesize eyes that the girl had and
I'm sure mine were the same.
So he's, he's like oh god,that's a cop.
And I'm like, oh god, that's acriminal.
So we're cops and robbers.
So I'm like this is real lifecops, robber.
And I think he was thinking thesame thing too.
So we start tussling around andI mean we're, we're, we're

(11:37):
bouncing off of chip racks andstuff like that.
Next thing I know I'm coveringcheeto dust.
So this girl, this girl goesflying out the front door and
she's screaming.
Well, thank God that the othercop that was working with me was
across the street on a trafficstop.
So he hears this girl and hesees my car over there.

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So he comes straight over thereand, thank the Lord, you know
me and this guy's rolling aroundin Funyuns and whatnot.
So he helps me get this guy upand I was like, oh my God, this
can't be happening.
So the whole time.
I was driving to the PD withthis guy and I was like are you
serious guy, did you really?

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He's like, I didn't even knowyou were behind me Should have
looked around, though Wait untilI left.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Is this a setup?
Am I being punked?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's almost what I thought.
I was like.
This can't be happening.
I'm brand new.
Oh my gosh, only you, only me.
I mean, that's why I have somany stories, because my whole
career was either nothing butsheer terror, sheer comedy or
sheer aggravation.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
It was always fun to get out with Richie on the call.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I've never.
I always thought it found me.
You know, trouble always foundme.
But you make me, you make mystory just like oh my gosh hell
in the world If it could havehappened.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
it happened on my shift.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I never gosh, we we've.
We worked a lot of shit, Iremember.
I remember one time we was updealing with somebody I
supervising and he's like I wantyour supervisor here.
You're like no, you don't.
You don't want me to come uphere, man, you just better deal

(13:24):
with me.
Just deal with me man.
Yeah, I think it ended well.
It was never good to put me andRichie on a shift together,
probably.
No, no it usually went to.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, you know, I was going to say I was going to
tell at least one story witheach of you, but I'll say that
for later.
Oh no, it's not that bad.
I picked up some of the moremilder ones.
But I remember, you know, likelike those days back at corbin

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when I first started, I couldn'tbelieve that.
You know that the way some ofthe people were.
I went to domestic.
Probably my first week or twothere.
It's somewhere along the linesof the armed robber subject at
the BP station.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Well, I think it was a female that we needed to
arrest.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
She was the aggressor there, and, and uh, I just
remember thinking to myself andshe resisted arrest.
And I remember thinking do youknow, do you not see?
This uniform.
This is a badge.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
How dare you, how dare I couldn't, but you know I
couldn't believe, really youknow the way things really
worked.
I remember remember that tooYou're like man, Because we
always respected the law asprivate citizens before we got
into it.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
So once you realize not everybody's been raised like
, that you're like wow, and thatwas not a norm with most people
.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, 25 years ago or so you know policing was still
a fairly honorable profession.
It still is today.
But you know policing was stilla fairly honorable profession.
You know it still is today, butyou know it's, the views have
changed a lot.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, social media has kind of curbed the appeal
you could demonize everyprofession you know if you
wanted to.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
But it seems like when you have the ability to
take somebody's freedom, whenyou can put somebody in jail, if
you can take away their rightsa little bit and lodge them
somewhere, that tends to get aspotlight on you pretty good.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Absolutely as well it should.
I don't think when you firststart you really think about
what a great power that actuallyis to exercise over somebody,
be able to take their freedomaway from them.
But it is a pretty bigexperience and responsibility,

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big responsibility.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think a lot of times you.
That's why you know rookieshave to be molded and reined in.
You know because you're likeman, there's a lot of things
that you don't know that couldget you in there.
You think you know becauseyou're like man there's a lot of
a lot of things that you don'tknow that could get you in there
.
You think you know the law.
You really don't.
Richie was a great.
He might say he should havewent to law schools.
Well, you knew the law and Iwas glad because it was nice

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having somebody it was.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
It was you could look at richie and be like all right
, I know what to do, I justdon't know exactly how to do it,
and then he'd be okay, I gotyou they got a new case law but,
yeah, better than the peoplethat wrote it, so it was handy.
He was really good about that oryou'd be in a situation where
we got to do something with thisguy and I can't think of

(16:39):
anything, or it's going to behe's going to murder something
you know, and then he'd be like,well, you got this Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Perfect.
What else you got?
I know you got some good ones.
Oh goodness, let's seeSheriff's Office.
I'll go ahead.
Whatever, whenever's some goodones, there's so many.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I know Richie was the only person I've ever seen get
in a fight.
The only thing he injured washis thumb.
Amen to that.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
That is true, and it was a long-term injury, you know
okay, so I'll talk about thatfor just a minute.
So you know we're responding tothis call and people say they
hear glass breaking and whatnotat a local business here.
So we show up.
Sure enough, we fan out and endup finding this guy it was roger

(17:27):
so, uh, um, we had just changedour taser policy at that time
to where they had to be in underactive resistance, yeah.
So I was like, oh gosh.
I was like, come on, let's,let's, let's go to jail.
You know know, this guy's beenin prison, so he's like, well,
I'm not going to jail, blah,blah, blah.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
And normally we would have just on site, we would
have just hit this guy with ataser and took him to jail.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I mean like as soon as he said, I'm not going
to jail we're like look man,either get in the car well,
we're going to go by policy.
So I was like so I knew that hewould.
He would at least jerk awayfrom me or whatever.
So so I reach out to grab himand he's fast as lightning.

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I mean, he, you know, he's acareer criminal.
He's probably been in fivethousand more fights than I have
didn't he have militarytraining too?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
yeah, that too because I know, when we fanned
out around him, he postured up,put his right foot back.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
I mean, it was yeah he was ready, and then I did the
same thing.
He's like don't you posture onme or something like that.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
He was squared up where he goes.
Yeah, he was ready to go.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
So I reached out to grab him and the first thing he
does is do a downward motionwith his hand, hits me right in
the thumb and I'm like, oh god,it's the cold sweat.
I'm seeing stars from a thumb.
Yeah, I mean it was.
Oh my god, get him, get him,get him.
I'll tell them boys to get him.
I'm like that sound like overhere nursing my hand well, I

(18:58):
remember Richie, he was worried.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
It didn't tell us this till later, but his words
were alright, pop yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, I said pop him, but then he's like oh God, I
got new guys.
I'm going to shoot him.
I'm just glad I didn't heargunshots.
I'm like, well, the sergeanttold me to shoot him.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Shoot him, pop him.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
If I hear pop him.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I didn't think we'd taste him.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Did we taste him right in the jaw?
That's what I think I'm.
First thing I'm gonna pow yeah,punchy, I used to some well, I
was, I was known to be in somefisticuffs.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, well, that that leads me into the story with
you.
No, so, of course.
So I mean, there, there's,there's plenty, but I'm this
one's kind of benign, so we'rewe're, we, we're covered up that
day and I, so they give us ashoplifter at Walmart, oh yeah,
so me and him goes over toWalmart and it's this female and

(19:51):
she's from a surrounding county.
That has a little bit ofdifferent opinions on law for
the most part.
So you know we tell her.
You know, honey, you're underarrest.
Blah, blah, blah.
So you know I reach out to grabher and she pulls away.
She says ain't no man everputting his hands on me again.

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I said I'm not putting my handson you.
I said I'm just trying to.
You know, you got to go with us.
Nope, not going.
So I'm like, oh my God.
So I'm looking at him.
I'm like, really, is thishappening?
So we grab a hold of her.
She starts acting, you know,twisting, fighting.
So we're we.
We ended up out in thevestibule of walmart, but we're

(20:32):
we're.
You know we're both kind of inshock at this point because
she's putting up a.
Yeah, she's fighting and womenwould women would be the worst
to fight, so they will fight youharder than any man ever would
well, and and there's no way towin that in the public either
you know you you punch a womanin their face, they're like oh
my god, you see that.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
What's the cop did?
Somebody with their little cellphone going yeah or the
opposite.
That's the only click thatwould hit you too or just the
opposite they'd be like that copgot whooped all over the place
by that.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
That girl, I think she did hit me, she did on the
arm.
She did so like we're out inthe middle, this vestibule, and
you know how small town, youknow people, everybody's at
Walmart.
Oh yeah, so I mean we're justgrappling with her and she's
wilder than anything.

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And so Travis reaches back andhe's going.
He finally pins her on theground and I happen to turn
around, look, and there's 200people standing behind us
watching.
I was like no, no, no, let mejust tase her so he rolls over

(21:42):
and let's go over.
I tase her and one gets herright square in a buoy, and the
other one right, right and theother one in the elbow so that's
not a good spread we gother cuffed up okay it locked her
up, she you know.
So we got compliance over, sonext comes the removal of the

(22:04):
taser probes, did we call ems?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
yeah, I would have definitely on that?
Absolutely, because one of themwas stuck right in her boob.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
You know, so, yeah, so I get ems to come and and
remove.
So they pull what.
They pull the one out of herboob, no problem.
Well they're, you know they're.
We've still got 200 peoplewatching the might, the, the
malaise here, yes, so they pullthe barb out of her elbow.

(22:32):
Well, it must have hit a arteryor vein or something cuz cuz.
When they pull it out, bloodshoots across the floor of
Walmart and you can hear there'sprobably ten old ladies that's
been watching this.
They're going.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh my god, you can hear there's probably 10 old
ladies that's been watching this.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
They're going oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, my God.
And you hear her men, oh, myGod, you know.
So they think we killed thispoor woman, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Later on that night we go up to the hospital and
they're talking about it upthere.
Because she didn't go to thehospital, she went straight to
jail.
And they're like about it upthere Because if she didn't go
to the hospital she wentstraight to jail.
They just you know, and they'relike did you hear about that
stabbing up at Walmart?
How quickly they.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
yeah, I called Richie .

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was like man.
They think we stabbed thatwoman.
And sure enough this ispre-Facebook.
I guess it hadn't really takenoff yet, but it was all over
Topics, if you remember Topics.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, I think it was that Topics or maybe Twitter, I
think Facebook was around.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Facebook.
Yeah, we were like Richiecalled me.
He's like ah, we've made Topics.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I read it Two cops Well, what happened for me to
even know that the chief hadcalled and I think it was at the
time, I think it was Stuart.
So Stuart knew everything thatwas going on.
At all times.
People always called Stuart, sohe had called me.
He's like who got stabbed up atWalmart?
And I was like I don't know.

(23:57):
He's like did you guys notrespond to a stabbing at Walmart
?
And I'm like no, we didn't.
So come to find out, it was meand him that they thought had
stabbed this woman.
Richie stabbed her just with ataser.
Yeah.
So he's thinking we're lying tohim.
He's like well, people aretelling me you guys were stabbed
.
There was a stabbing at onemoment.
I'm like no, there wasn't.
So we finally got to the bottomof it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh, they were talking about it all over over, you
know, we were there for a hotsecond.
It's funny how the rumor millbuilds yeah, I went to the
hospital and they were talkingabout it.
I was like stabbing what, what?
Are you talking about now?
We've worked plenty ofstabbings, but I've never.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, well, if a cop is involved in anything by the
time it gets, by the time beforethe week's out it it's added so
much layers to it that's noteven funny.
Oh yeah, you can't help it,it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, pull out your work for you.
Let's see here.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Oh, I'll tell you.
Okay.
So Flash's stepdad was a coptoo.
He's been dug so he's alreadybeen on here, so I'll tell one
real quick on him.
We get this call from dispatchand they're saying oh my god,

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there's people shot, laying inthe field.
People are down.
It's so bad that even the field, you know people are down.
Well, they need help.
You know it's so bad that eventhe dispatchers, you know you
can tell he's got a littleurgency to him which was out of
the ordinary for most of them.
So, and you kind of knew who totake serious and who not.
Well, this particulardispatcher, I was like, uh-oh,

(25:42):
it's bad, he's tore up, so it'sbad, he's tore up, so it is bad.
So they say it's at the end ofthe road.
When you go in, that's whereall the people are.
So Doug and I are headed outthere.
You know lights and sirens, woo, woo, woo.
So we're flying, we get outthrough there and we're thinking
at the end of the road, at thevery end, not the front end,

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we're thinking the back end,that would be the front.
So, as we're driving down thisgravel, we turn off the main
road and turn down this gravelroad.
We're getting close, so we'redriving all the way to the end.
Well, these people see us andthey start flagging us.
Well, doug sees them and stops.
Well, about the time he stops Icatch him out of the corner of

(26:30):
my eye and I'm watching.
I'm like, oh, I guess it'sright here.
Well, I look up and I'm going45 miles an hour.
Doug's at a dead stop.
I hit him in the rear end.
Two branded cruis Demolishedthem both.
So and I mean I hit him hardand he's getting out and he's
like dazed because I mean Iliterally probably hit him at 45

(26:53):
miles an hour.
It was fast, I don't know howfast, but so he gets out and
he's like looking at me and he'slike I think he's looking at me
like he's going to fight me,he's going to come over here and
punch me.
But I didn't know if that wasthe confusion or the anger, or
both, or injury or the whiplash.
So I'm like man, oh my God, man, are you all right?

(27:19):
What's going on?
Well, these people, they don'tmiss the beat.
They're coming over there'relike oh my god, I want him
arrested and I want this onearrested.
And doug looks at them peopleand he says for the love of god,
will you give me a second?
I've just been in a major 1046here.

(27:41):
My mech is broke.
You're going to have to solveit.
We're going to need tow trucks.
Yeah, we did.
We had to have tow trucks, twobrand new.
You know, if people are notaware, sheriff's Office budgets
in the state of Kentucky are notthat great typically no.
So getting two brand newcruisers pretty much at the time

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is an oddity, and then to wreckthem really puts you on thin
ice, I'd say so.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I bet Gene was not real happy.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I don't think the second-in-command was too happy.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
That's a pretty common occurrence, though, with
us hitting each other, I bet hewas like Rich what did?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
he say Rich.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Gosh, this ain't going to be good, oh man.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
We've had gosh, you've been, so you was at the
county, been at the city.
I've been a little biteverywhere.
Yeah, let's hear about somelet's see here.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh yeah, I don't know if any of you guys were with me
, but we were checking alarm onenight at one of the local
nutrition shops.
Was either one of you with meon that one?
It might have been G orsomething, but anyway, you know,
we checked a thousand alarms inyour career.

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So I pull up there and then theshop owner is there as well.
Well, we go through the frontdoor and it had been left open
and so I'm thinking immediatelysomebody's in there because it
was ajar.
So I'm like I better go aroundto the back.
And then I think somebody waswith me and I put them on the

(29:36):
front door just in case thisperpetrator come running out.
So I go to the back and I havethe shop owner open the back
door.
Well, he opens that back doorand I immediately screamed like
a girl because this room wasfull of mannequins.

(30:00):
So I'm thinking I've got an armyof frogs in there, and so I
just had enough life to tellthat there was a silhouette in
there, and I I scared me todeath, oh my gosh, I was like I
hope there is not any realrobbers I don't think there
ended up being anybody in there,or what man?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
one day the uh shallows alarm went off and it
used to go off some, but this isthe first time I answered it
and I was in there with hump andI mean so yeah, he's getting
out there.
And they had an open door atthe front, the front door open.
So as you enter the restaurantyou're like you got bathrooms on

(30:40):
both sides, quarter, you likethe drop-in quarter, pusher
things, and there's noises goingon and you walk into in the
front and you turn left andthere's a giant wooden like
indian sitting there with a gun.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I remember it used to be in there I'm out listening.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I took 10 steps backwards into doug, like just
knowing like it's got me becauseI think one of the quarter
things that fail.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Or you know, backwards into Doug, like I
think the noise is going on ohmy gosh, the one at the at the
flea, the flea market, theparrot is that when you're in
there?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
clearing a building and that thing goes off.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Nobody told me about that.
The first time we cleared youever go in there so you go
through it, and when we wouldclear the flea market you always
had to wait on marty orsomebody to get there to turn
the lights and stuff on so wejust cleared it in the dark.
Well, nobody told me that this.
It's a.
It's like a claw machine with aparrot in it and it it's motion

(31:43):
activated, so when you walk byit it talks.
Oh God.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
So we're just clearing.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
I mean, you see the machine but you don't realize.
So you walk through it and youget past it just a minute and it
squawks out.
It's a cracker.
I like to put my hands first up.
I spun around, I put rounds init.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
That old wooden Indian or whatever shallow just
about got me.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
I was like, oh my gosh, was you out with us on the
uh, the verizon break-in?
Uh, refresh me he broke inthrough, went in through the
back door, cut through themattress wall at the mattress
store.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, he comes out the mattress.
Yeah, absolutely, that's thecraziest thing I've ever seen
that was nuts.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
So we get an alarm out there and it's, you know, I
go out there and check it.
All the doors are locked,everything.
We don't think anything of it.
So we go eat.
You know it's, it's 10-4, we're, we're 98, and then the alarm
goes off again.
So a repeat alarm is usuallynot a good thing.
So it's like, all right, I'mgonna go check it again.
So I get over there and I heara bunch of pounding.

(32:47):
Sounds like metal.
You know, metal on metal.
I said uh-oh.
So I called for everybody tocome up there.
I said we got somebody in hereand he had.
He went in through the backdoor but when we surrounded it
we didn't know which way he'dwent in.
So there's not.
All the doors are still locked.
We don't know how he got in.
So, uh, they get ready to go inthrough the back door.

(33:09):
I think g jimmy the door openedwith a pocket knife or
something yeah, yeah, they did.
And then, uh, the ladder wasopen on the, like the hatch to
the, to the roof.
I said, well, maybe he's cut inthrough the roof, because
that's not unheard of, theywould cut in through the roof of
the dollar stores.
And so I'm halfway up thisladder dangling and they go in,
and then I hear them squalling.

(33:29):
He's running out the front door, but the the front door had a
crossbar on it, like the pushbar.
So, as they're chasing himthrough, and, uh, he runs.
He runs through the front door,throws his crowbar through the
front glass, breaks it Dang ashe's running.
As he's running.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
That guy.
He was very athletic.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
I'd have never caught him.
There's no way.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
You're flash, you're speedy yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
I'd have never caught him.
Nobody else caught him on footeither.
I'll get to that how he gotcaught.
Yeah, nobody else caught him onfoot either.
I'll get to that how he gotcaught.
Yeah and uh.
So he's.
He doesn't see the crossbar andhe's full, full speed, hits

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that crossbar, waist level.
It flips him.
So he does a front flip throughthe glass, lands on his feet
and books it across 192 tokrogerger.
So they're chasing him.
I mean, the rest of us have gotin cars and by that time
another officer I think he'sstill working, so we won't name
him.
But he ended the foot pursuitwith a car door.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Sometimes, you've got to catch them.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Twice, twice, twice.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, that was probably the fastest white dude
I'd ever seen in my life.
He should have been in collegefootball playing.
Yes, he was super fast Forcedup speed, I mean he was gone so
fast that me and the othersergeant of course we're older
and fat, so you know we'relooking at each other.
Oh my god.

(35:07):
So I mean they're all the wayover in the kroger's parking lot
before we can even get in ourcar yeah, we were all the way on
the back side.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, it was what I've learned, since you can't
catch them on foot is just walkthey'll, they'll give out if you
keep them inside.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
We didn't ever caught that guy he was no this dude he
had an, he had a little extragear, maybe a meth gear.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
He was very athletic.
He was.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And I've never seen anything like that.
He literally hits that crossbar, spins over lands on two feet
and never misses a beat, stillrunning.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
It was like you'd see him hurdle in the NFL.
Like they'd do that in atouchdown.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Keep going.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's impressive If you tried to do it, if it wasn't
for the cornerback and theCrown Vic that took him out.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, so this dude Crown Vic to the rescue he's
totally against policy.
But I mean, I'm getting over toKroger's parking lot about this
time so I see this door openand it hits this guy and he goes
to him and I'm like, oh, oh god, that's against policy, that's
a memo.
You know, the dude was brandnew to us at the time.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
So he gets up again, though against policy.
He gets up again it waseffective.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It definitely was effective.
Then, of course, you know oneof the many times I got called
into the office to explain ouractions well, you know I don't
have any time.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
We were like don't worry about the means, worry
about the results.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, the results speak for themselves, chief, we
caught a burglar.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, what do you want us to do?
How do you want?

Speaker 5 (36:36):
us to catch him.
He had a laundry list ofburglary charges down in like
Georgia and all up.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You remember when we caught the guy up in, he was a
little fella.
We caught him up in the I wasgoing to get to that one too.
Let's do that one, Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
All right.
So the town is under siege atone point.
For the most part, I mean everysingle day.
I mean there's 15 cars gettingbroken into.
I mean that's all we're doing.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Churches cars businesses as soon as we're
coming out to work.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I mean we're taking stolen cell phone reports and
wallet reports out of cars.
So I mean this goes on for likethree weeks and I'm like, oh my
God, we've got to catch thisguy.
He's terrorizing us in the town.
Well, we get a random I don'tremember exactly what happened.
Well, we get a random I don'tremember exactly what happened,

(37:28):
but we get a random call overjust this house apartment
building, and I think it was anapartment, and there's this lady
there and you know we're takinga report for her and all this.
So we ended up.
We ended up, for some reason,we ended up needing to search
the residence and she gave uspermission.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
We said we had like a tip or something.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, we had a tip or something but it was totally
for not what we were there for,what we ended up being there for
.
So we're looking around, wedon't find anything.
But I do see a purple cellphone with a flower, a flower,
old it floral design on it and Iwas thinking wait, I just took
a report on a.

(38:09):
So so I reach out and grab thephone, I turned it on, sure
enough it's got my victim's nameon it.
Oh, my god, we're ontosomething.
So I go back running downstairs, you know, and ask the woman
who's there is like is theresomebody else here?
And she's like yeah, I was likewell, we haven't found them.

(38:32):
But okay, I said what's theirname and she told me the name
and I was like of course, that'sour guy.
You know we've dealt with him somany times.
So I'm like, are you sure he'sin there?
She said yes, I'm sure.
And you know she didn't want totell him, but she's trying to
be real quiet because theupstairs window was open and I
guess she didn't want him tohear her throwing him under the

(38:56):
bus.
So she was just kind of likenodding her head and I was like
okay.
So we went back upstairs and hewas with me.
I said Travis.
I said she's saying he's here.
So I mean we're lookingeverywhere, I mean we're
climbing up in the ceiling,tiles and everything.
I'm like where is this guy?
looking under beds.
You know pulling showercurtains behind it.

(39:17):
You know bathtubs.
I'm like, oh my god, he musthave slipped out yeah so at that
time I was like we just need tostart collecting some evidence,
I guess, see what all stuff wecan get back.
So I mean we spend 45 minutesin this house collecting stuff
and getting stolen jewelry andall the stuff that we think you

(39:38):
know that might can beidentified by some of these
victims.
Well, I go back into thiscloset and I turn around and I
just happened to see an eyeballlooking at me.
This dude was so little, he wasa little fella and super thin.
The door was all the way backagainst the wall.

(39:59):
I bet you literally there weresix inches of clearance in there
and somehow he managed to fitin there and done it for 45
minutes.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Perfect burglar uh body.
Yeah, I mean, he had it so itscares me.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I'm like squeezing like a mouse.
I'm screaming, I'm like get out, get out of there, you know.
So travis hears me, so thatamps him up immediately.
I was yeah so attacked.
So at that time, you know he'syou know travis, strong big guy,
you know, always working out,know he's.
You know, travis, strong bigguy, you know always working out
.
So he, he grabs a hold of thisguy and he goes to throw him on

(40:31):
the bed well, I guess where he,this dude, is so lit on, his
adrenaline is so, so amped up hekind of picks him up high so he
throws him on this bed.
Well, as soon as he hits thisbed, son, he bounces, dude
bounces almost all the way up tothe ceiling.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It's an air mattress.
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
So we're both looking at each other like what do we?

Speaker 3 (40:52):
do now.
So he just lands on the ground.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
So I'm like get him.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Pile up on him.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh my gosh, he was funny.
I was like man.
I power cleaned that guy overmy head.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I was like I wish that I had that on video.
Oh man.
You can't make it up.
He just looked like a circusact Boing.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, I went straight back to the ceiling and piled
in the floor.
I was like uh-oh, uh-oh, I wenttoo far.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Again.
So all three of us are lookingat each other like he can't
believe it.
Travis can't believe it,neither can I.
I'm like get him.
So we got to do something.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
We got to do something here.
We saw it slow down for a while, though, it did it did.
It was fun.
Gosh, we get in a mess.
It wasn't really good for us toanswer a lot of calls together.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Because if it was going gonna happen to Richie, if
it wasn't gonna happen to him,it was gonna happen to me.
And then you put us togetherand it was a when he and I both
would be on a shift together.
It was the black cloud of deathwould appear.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Something was happening, something and it
could be so random, just likejust a routine wreck or
something.
That would take it like, Idon't know, nobody speaks
Spanish or everybody speaksSpanish.
I don't know what to do now.
We just look at each other.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
yeah, like literally now that I'm, now that I'm
retired, I'll tell this story onmyself.
We get a wreck one day and ithappened in between that, the
exits there on the interstate.
So I pull up and I'm like shoot, because everybody that got out
of the vehicle there was somekind of white whitish van and

(42:36):
something, but there were 15people in it and not a one spoke
English.
I was like, oh my God, well,they had run into somebody in,
just rear-ended them.
Yeah, so, and some random guyat Ohio or somewhere, so he's
demanding a report and all this,of course, and I'm like so, so

(43:01):
I'm like what am I gonna do?
I can't, but I know, good andwell, they've got no insurance,
yeah, no driver's license nodriver's license.
Nobody speaks English.
So I just go back there and Itell them One of the few words I
know I'm like vamos, vamos.
So they load back up and theytake off.
So I'm thinking, what am Igoing to tell this guy?

(43:22):
So I tell him I'm like man,they just ran off on me.
I was like I'm going to chasethem down.
So I act like I was chasing thevan down.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
I get off at the next exit and I go back to the
police department because Idon't know what to do.
No, yeah, I don't even know howyou would.
I mean, that would have been awhole can of worms.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
The dude was like all right man, catch him, catch him
, come back.
I'm like I will.
I never came back.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Never found anybody.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Legend says he's still sitting there waiting on
the surfboard.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I always check that spot when I come to you.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Make sure that guy's still not waiting on me.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I didn't know that was a good one.
I'm not quite ready to revealsome of my shenanigans yet.
See that one was by myself sothere's no one else to implicate
but myself, man there's justsome things you just can't do in
the amount of the languagebarrier or just like this.
One really needs somebody tohelp them and I'm just not

(44:32):
qualified or smart enough tohelp you on this.
I have no idea how to help youthat is.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
That is a bad spot.
And and and with well, with allthe other the language barriers
, it's, it's, you know, becausethere are some people that
really need help and you justcan't figure out how to help
them.
You know, a lot of times youcan't even figure out what they
want.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So imagine my first day SRO at the school for the
deaf.
Oh goodness, I have not.
You know, I got in the five,six months I was there.
I got to where I could be like,hey, good morning.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
The homeless sign language.
He knows his big finger.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
They taught me some stuff.
Dang kids, it's everywhere yougo, a kid will teach you how to
cuss, right off the bat.
He's like first Spanish wordsI'll ever learn was this stuff?
I'm like oh gosh, go tell themaster chief this and this.
I'm like, oh gosh, go tell themaster chief this and this.
I'm like oh, okay, yeah.
Then he's like who told youthat?
Yeah, so I'm at the school forthe deaf and they have a night

(45:34):
shift.
You know, they open or theyhave dorms, so.
So I'll get there from a firstday and they, you know, I'd ask
the head of security there.
They have like a guy that'sover the security and then
they'd contract SROs.
So it was pretty cool.
I wasn't, you know, the onlysecurity guy there, and he's

(45:54):
like all I need you to do in themornings is go down there and
block traffic for the studentswalking from the dorm to the
cafeteria.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So I get out of the car and I'm waving at people and
hey, good morning.
They start signing to me andit's awesome.
I learned a whole lot realquick.
But the first day some randomperson I didn't know it was a
random person, I'm brand newwalks through the campus, this
gated fence campus, and this guywas cutting through and the guy

(46:30):
that was working that night wasdeaf and he was trying to tell
me, like I don't know that guyand I was just like he's nodding
my head like how you doingbuddy?
They're getting so frustratedand you're like, yeah, they're
pointing to pull his hair.
I was like yeah, he was justpointing at it, like yeah, good.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
T-Dots just forced him away.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Finally somebody you know a translator or something
was like no, he's saying thatguy don't belong here.
I was like, oh man, half a miledown the road by then.
So I just drove down there andpretended like I found him, like

(47:10):
I told him not to be bad andI'm in a county, in a town that
I've never policed in my lifeand I've only been there one
time and that was the interview,and so I had no idea how to
radio traffic.
I didn't know what street I wason.
I was just happy that I made itover there.
That g, that my, that gps gotme there, my you know maps or

(47:31):
whatever.
It was wild.
I was just like, but never inmy life have I had a job where
it's more rewarding, and if itwasn't so far away I'd still be
there.
But and and I but I waslearning.
I was like man, everybody needsit, because when we dealt with
with deaf or hard of hearingpeople, we just got louder we

(47:53):
weren't really the same way withthe Spanish do you understand,
though, what I'm saying andyou're like man, what are we
doing?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I stopped a guy on the interstate and he had a
passenger with him, but hedidn't have a driver's license.
It was suspended, no insurance,anything.
You know all that.
But we were in thecatch-and-release stage of our
career, so you know, you writehim some tickets, let it go.
I was like you can't drive this.
And I hadn't paid any attentionto the passenger at all.

(48:26):
I mean, it could have beenStevie Wonder for all I know.
But I was like you can't drivethis out of here.
And his passenger looks at meWell, no, she don't.
But I was like your passenger'sgoing to have to drive you out
of here.
And he's like she can't.
I was like does she not have adriver's license either?

(48:46):
She takes her sunglasses off,she goes no, I'm blind, oh man.
I was like, oh all right, Sorryman.
Have a good day.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
We've seen some dope, we've done some stupid stuff.
It's not because we didn't wantto try to help you, just you.
Just there's calls you go tothat.
You have no idea what to do.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Right, there's so much gray area in the law that
they don't teach you that.
You're like, oh my gosh, whatdo we do here?

Speaker 5 (49:18):
and you try to help people out when you can and give
breaks and all that, and thensometimes that blows back and
bites you it does.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, that, I'm saying, is no good deed goes
unpunished absolutely.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You just just might as well just law them or
whatever and be done with it.
Yeah, it's tough.
Yeah, I mean because you'relike, well, god damn it.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
And then you're right back over there and you talked
about being new and and radiotraffic and not not knowing I'll
.
I'll tell a good story on meand richie can laugh about it
the old, the infamous whiteasian, what so I was.

(50:00):
I was pretty new, but I was,you know, I was to the point was
the all night shift together.
Is that, yes, okay I was to thepoint that I knew what I was
doing and wanting to get intostuff, and trying to get into
stuff and was getting into stuffbut then when I got into it I
didn't know what I was doing,you know.
So we got this complaint overone of the apartment complexes
and it was a it was a drug dealor something suspicious vehicle.

(50:23):
So I go and as soon as I pullin, behind the vehicle dude
bolts.
Well, there's passengers theretoo.
She pops out and I was likedon't effing move.
And I take off running afterthis guy and, uh, you know, you
got to give your call out, soit's.
You know it's description, youknow clothing, height, all.

(50:44):
So I'm giving all this out andI'm like 5'5" he's a little
short dude, 5'5".
Black pants, white sneakers,red shirt, white.
And then, about the time that Iget white out, he turns around
and looks at me to see where I'mat and I go Asian, white, asian
.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
So we're on our way, we're at the PU, there's two or
three of to see where I'm at andI go Asian, white, asian, so
we're on our way we're at the.
Pd and there's two or three ofus, we just look at each other
and say oh my god, did he justsay white Asian?
So you know, of course youdon't ever know the context of
what radio traffic is, unlessyou're there.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
No, I can just imagine him and Roby looking at
each other, because this guy isretarded, you've lost your mind.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Well that I just that brings up a good story.
I just thought of and and aboutradio traffic, because I was at
I won't say where, but I was atone of my places and I just
started.
So I don't want, I don't knowanybody, I don't know the radio
traffic, I'm just.
I'm just like what you'resaying, I don't know anybody,

(51:51):
you know I'm, I'm there, so I'llreport to the office the first,
the very first day.
And there's, this lady comesout and they're wanting a car
inspection done or somethinglike that.
So one of the ladies at thefront desk comes out and she's

(52:15):
very heavy set.
So she makes a misstep andfalls right in front of me.
I mean, she crashes for 13minutes.
I mean she's rolling down.
So I'm like, oh God, so I goover.
So I don't know who to call, ornothing like that.
So I'm trying to help her andshe's smacking at me like get

(52:39):
off me, I'm in uniform.
I'm like I'm not trying to hurtyou, I'm trying to help.
I'm like what do I do?
Do I call Blackhawk down?
What do I do here?
I mean, who do I even call?
So I understand what it's liketo not know who to talk to
Because I don't know what to do.
You know, I don't know.

(53:00):
She's crying.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I'm like, oh god, this lady hurt.
Oh my gosh, I've seen.
I remember going to a call likelike not knowing, but my, I've
ever told you about my secondtraffic stop I ever made?
I don't think so.
Number two, doc Holliday, oh my, he was my training officer and
we had I'm going back into thedeaf, hard of hearing guy we

(53:31):
just went to the Ponderosa.
I remember eating at thePonderosa back in the day.
Over here he sits me down.
I've been with him for likethree weeks.
No, no, no, like three or fourdays.
He's like you need to startstopping more cars.
I was like, okay, because I'dstopped one.
He said you blew that one.
I was like, get out there, yeah, new stuff.

(53:53):
And he said we need to startstopping more cars.
And I'm like, okay, so as soonas we could finish eating I was
like I'm going to get on 192 andjust stop.
The first thing I see One goesby me with one headlight.
I'm like, ah, there, it is,there it is.
So he's like did you see thatone?
I said, yeah, I'm getting uphere to the lot I'm going to

(54:13):
turn.
And so I pull him over atCrystal's in the parking lot
there.
I'm like, huh, this is where Ican have a grand.
I run the tag Before we getstopped.
It comes back stolen.
They give all the codes forthat stuff and I'm like what's
that mean?
I'm looking at my kid.
He's like cover us, it's stolen, so fill it up.

(54:40):
I'm like I'm starting to meltdown.
I'm like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I got the gun out like an idiot.
I did this once in the academy.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
I don't remember what I'm doing.
Driver, I'm supposed to tellyou to do something.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I don't remember what it is Soak your keys, or do
something I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, this guy pulls in the crystal.
He starts just going to town inhis glove compartment, his
little pickup truck, and I couldsee it.
I'm like, oh my gosh, thisguy's going for a weapon.
I said he's, you know, it'sstolen.
He's not complying, he's notcoming down there's no hands I

(55:15):
mean, we're screaming on the pa.
We're just screaming and, uh,he's digging around.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this ismy second stop and i'm'm going
to have to.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
You know, I'm going to have to go to work here.
I'm like what am?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I doing.
I was like, oh my God, you know, I'm like in pure panic and
Mike's kind of creeping up justkind of getting a side view of
what's going on.
Well, somebody bust out of thecrystals.
She was working in there.
That's my daddy, what do you do?
What's going on?
I was like that truck stole,stay back, he's deaf.
He's deaf, and I'm like, so ourapproach became we approached

(55:53):
the car and he was just diggingin there for his paperwork.
Somebody reported, you know, hehadn't made a payment and they
from a buy here pay here and,they reported, stole his way
back.
I mean, this has been 25 years,23 years ago now.
So I'm like holy cow, I wasthat close on my second stop
shooting a death and oh my gosh,I mean you're like, I was

(56:19):
shaking after, I was like, andthen you know you have to arrest
this guy and he's like it's notstolen, you know he's.
I'm like I don't know what totell this guy because I, hey, I
can't talk to him.
It was just bad, that was justlike my gosh, what am I doing?
What have I done?

Speaker 5 (56:34):
that must be a pretty common occurrence of not
knowing what to do, not doingenough traffic stops did you do
some well I'll let you, letrichie tell you about which one
are you talking about?
On the interstate.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Do you stop on?

Speaker 5 (56:48):
He's like let's go stop some cars.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Well, you know how they got on that big ticket kick
which I hated riding tickets, Idid too.
But you know you got to do whatthe boss tells you.
So I'm field training him orPTO, whatever the call it.
I'm green as baby crap.
Yeah, he is pretty green.
So I have another officershooting LIDAR or one of those

(57:15):
lasers and so you can't shoot itthrough the glass so you have
to be outside of your vehicle.
So we put him on top of thebridge and we were going to be
just the chase vehicle.
So we lined up there on the onthe shoulder.
So he called one out blackcadillac.
So it goes by, you know a blackcadillac 87 miles an hour.

(57:36):
Well, we get on the interstateto chase this black cadillac at
87 miles an hour.
Well, we get in the all the wayin the left lane, I think best I
remember I don't for sure knowwe're obeying all the speed and
traffic laws, so at this time.
I'm like I look over at thespeed and we're doing 70.

(57:58):
Right on the mark, 70.
And I'm like I'm not thesmartest tool in the shed and I
never was good at math, but ifthat car is going 17 miles an
hour faster than we are, thatwe're gonna catch it.
So I'm like you may want tospeed up, you catch it Corbin.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
No, he's like forget that one, he's like just stop
one.
And I was like okay, and hesaid like this one that's
passivist, laughing, laughingyou're like, literally, we're in
a marked vehicle, we're in amarked police car and this car
is going.
I'm in that mode though I don'tknow what to do with my hands
laughing that is the worstfeeling of not know what to do

(58:44):
with my hands.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That's all.
That is the worst feeling ofnot knowing, like, what to do.
You're like.
I've been to the academy, I'vegot all this knowledge somewhere
up here rattling around, but Istill don't know anything to
come out yeah, that academy isjust enough to make you
dangerous I know it.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Yeah, it's.
We used to do that type ofdetail a lot and there was what
was the mistaken identity carone time didn't was it you that
sold over the wrong car, or meor somebody?
no, I'd hit the wrong car.
So he called out another car.
Well, there was two similarcars.
Well, I picked the wrong oneand, uh, the officer running.
He's like no, that's not it,but what sucked is?

(59:25):
I'd already started running theinformation and here comes
dispatch, like I was going tocut them loose because it was
like a 75, 80 year old womanthat's right here comes dispatch
and dispatch.
God love them.
Sometimes, when you wanted moreinformation, it was like
pulling teeth to get it, yeah.
But then when you didn't wantmore information, oh, they give
it, oh they would.

(59:45):
It was like finding the holygrail they'd give it.
So I'm walking back to my carand they go uh break, uh 29s.
I was like oh thiseight-year-old woman had some
kind of seat belt warrant I hadto take her to jail yeah she's
oh

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I bet it's not her I pull up there and I'm like, oh
my god, this is the wrong car.
That ain't what we were talkingabout.
So he's got the wrong carstopped, but now we've got this
85-year-old woman to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
There is nothing worse than pulling over that
single mom with three kids inthere infants, oh God, and her
have a warrant for a trafficviolation and you're like are
you?
10-12?
I'm like nope.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
And there's nothing you can do about it.
Oh, I, I mean, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Now that I'm retired, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
No, that's not her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I got to run that wrong and just call this guy and
they never ever, ever hadanybody that could come and get
the kids?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
No, never.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It was always was all three o'clock in the morning
from from shelbyville orsomething you're like, huh, no
trick I learned, trick I learnedlater and I wish I knew it then
.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Not saying that it was ever used by anybody, but
just a trick to have in your inyour playbook.
Is when dispatch came back withthat?
No, that was just an id that Ifound in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Ah, Thou shalt, that was the worst thing.
When you're like, this personis going to cause the worst
nightmare, I'm going to have tocall social services out, or
something for a something thatshe probably got the cash for,
yeah.
So I'm like you got to go getthis fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Dogs the same way oh my gosh, somebody come and get
this.
Fixed dogs the same way oh mygosh, somebody come and get your
dog.
There ain't nobody to get it.
Then you call animal controland then they're like we can't
come out on the weekends,holidays, we only work two to
ten on monday they were uselessfor the most part but, not, not
to not to throw off on them, butit just seemed like every time

(01:01:46):
that you oh yeah it was likeeverything that happened in
police workers at the mostinappropriate time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I know yeah, which we were pretty impatient too, so
you know man, I couldn't standwaiting on a wrecker if it was
30 minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
I was so mad well, I didn't mind that, because I
could go back to my car and typemy.
You type your accident whileyou're waiting on it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So that was one of the tech generation with him.
Yeah, you know they'd havetheir paperwork knocked out in
five minutes.
You know I'd just be there onthe above listed yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Now I remember the first time I rode a big you know
, after we got past bubbling,you know, hand-wrapping wrecks
and bubbling in all that stuffthe old school way to work a
wreck or a case report.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
We did a couple of those in the academy, but that's
the only time that I ever sawit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
They were horrible and I used to carry, like one of
them, pocket dictionaries, thespell checker type deal.
Well, when the app came, whenKentucky Ops or whatever came
out first, it didn't have spellcheck on it.
So I'm sitting there and I lookup one day and I've got Joe

(01:03:00):
Smith or somebody put one of myreports up on the bulletin board
there and highlighted all myspells Under the fagpole and
just stupid stuff.
I was like man, I just left outan L man.
It was flagpole Witch.
I remember spelling witch.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Like a W-I-T-C-H.
Yeah, I was like which wayW-I-T-C-H.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, I was spelling witch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Witch Y-W-H-I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Was she on her bruise .
She cast a spell.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I was like, oh, my gosh, I am really dumb.
I don't know how I made it, Ireally don't.
And then, let alone to actuallyrun in the department for a hot
second.
You're like, how did I pullthis off?
What is going on?
And you did too.
Oh, which was it?
I was running the department.
Both of us ran policedepartments for a hot minute.

(01:03:58):
Oh my gosh, the big town ofBroadhead yeah, huge.
It was fun times.
I love that little town.
Greatest little school ever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I tell you, there was a lot that went on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah you had some bad calls up there, didn't you
Right off the bat?

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Of course you was it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Right off the bat, one of the worst calls I ever
heard Chief and the only officer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
I was the only officer I had for a while.
Then I got lucky and got one,and then we ended up getting a
part-time and I was like hot dog.
I'm flying with two and a halfdays.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Let me tell you how much I love Richie Richie's.
I answer a call at a localEdward Jones office on North
Main.
So somebody had stole, you know.
It was like a stolen wallet ormisplaced something that they
had found in the parking lot andI just went there to retrieve
it and this guy sitting there Iguess he's a client and he was

(01:04:53):
like do you know, richiereynolds?
I was like yeah, because I'mfrom broadhead, we're thinking
about hiring this guy and I waslike, oh my gosh.
I was like yeah, and uh, hesaid he was like commissioner or
whatever city councilman orsomething.
Yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah,and he was like commissioner or
whatever city councilman orsomething.
Yeah, yeah, I was like, yeah,you need to hire that guy.
I was like you're welcome, justout of the blue.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
He said thanks for that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
But yeah, you had a bad call over there, that kind
of I don't know.
I'd hate to be a rookie on thatone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Well, I didn't have enough investigative experience
over the years to really workthat myself.
You know I never was adetective absolutely.
I called state police and saidif you don't mind.
Would you please work this oneyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I don't.
I know any time that murdersand stuff like that.
It's just awful and that's whywe got you have to partner well
with the people around you, Imean your other agencies.
You can't go off solo and thinkyou've got all the skills and
all the tools and you're.
These guys train specificallyin investigations and they're

(01:06:04):
dedicated to it more, or whenyou're in small departments, you
just can't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
you gotta rely on on the help we had the killer stunt
the killer stunt but I mean, Idon't know if I need to get into
that one or not.
I don't know if we can talkabout that one yet or not, but I
don't think I'm aware of thatone.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
I'll I'll talk about that when we're done the park
murder.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Oh no, I don't, I don't think I was involved in
that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
No, you were going, but there's a lot of good stuff.
That's a funny story.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Well, it's terrible, but it has some funny elements
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
When I find out that we're clear to talk about it,
we'll talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
We're not under gag order.
Yeah, we're not sure if it'spending or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's pending or anything.
Yeah, what else you got?
I know you got some.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I mean, you've had a historic career full of
tragedies.
I'm telling you, I wish I couldremember all of them, doug.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Thomas.
When he was here he saidpolicing is like being in a
movie it could be a comedy, atragedy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Depending on what the public yeah.
Well, how?

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
the public dictated what, what role you played in it
, and I thought, man, that is areally good way to look at it
all, but yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
And you go through so many stages in your career.
You know you go from the rookieto the to the um to the.
Now I'm confident in what I'mdoing and you're really.
You're really getting out,getting into stuff.
You're trying to help peoplelike I'll bet you, over the
course of my career I'veprobably given away fifteen
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You know, between you know, give feeding people I
mean how many people, how manypeople we bought bus tickets for
to get them yeah and the peopledon't know that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
You know, and that's not a brag no, it's not a brag,
but you go through those phasesof trying to help people and
being confident.
When you get to about the yearfor me, about year 13, 14, it
took a turn Once I startedunderstanding the dynamics and

(01:08:04):
the politics that are played andsome of the you know, then it
kind of turns you a littlebitter.
So, but not everybody, noteverybody, goes through that.
So it you know everybody goesthrough different phases in
their career.
Some experience it, some don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
So I think you're right.
There's a burnout, there's thatrookie three years.
Then there's a five-yearburnout, there's a 10-year
burnout.
You know, we kind of get itstraight and then, and at that
five year, if you can hit-something different hit a
different branch it renews but Ithink that is key for, yeah,

(01:08:40):
larger agencies have that, yeah,to their advantage.
When you get stuck being youknow I've got good friends well,
you was a working chief, youknow, and you know
administration you still had togo out and answer your calls and
stuff that you know there'sjust no hope for ever getting to
be like I'm going to detectivesbureau, well, we got to have
somebody covering shifts, oryeah, exactly, you just can't,

(01:09:02):
and a five-year officer at that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
At that kind of point .
From what I seen is that you'reat that good mix of.
You're confident, yourknowledge base is good, but you
still have enough drive to do agood job in another area.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Well, I think the thing about this side of the
town that we're in, you don'thave the luxury of having a big
robbery homicide unit, you don'thave just traffic enforcement,
you don't there's nothing thatyou can really branch out into
and specialize and specialize inso you know a lot of people.
You hear them be like, oh my god, he retired from chicago pd.

(01:09:38):
Well, you know he's.
He was in just robbery homicidethe last 10 years.
An average patrol officer heresees and does it all.
I mean they.
They're on murder, suicides,robberies, rapes everything.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
So now we were lucky and we had, we had good sex
crimes detectives.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
That picked up stuff like that thank the lord.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I hated working them.
I remember yeah, yeah, holyshit, those were bad.
I got in trouble by her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
She Lover one of the best detectives, especially in
that there's ever been.
So I just went to one of themsex crime detective classes and
I came back and I made themistake of Mirandizing the
victim because she was ajuvenile, I was with you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yeah, that was one of the school.
I was with you and they losttheir mind.
I didn't know that that waswrong either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I didn't either, because both of us come from the
school site.
We know that you, you've got totalk you've got to mind us,
every single juvenile.
And so I just did that, whenyou get woke up at 2 o'clock in
the morning, to come in and takesomething you're like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Well, your training takes over.
And then, oh, she was mad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
She's like don't you ever hey.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Yes, ma'am, you know I was probably a sergeant or
maybe you know whatever, and I'mlike, yes, ma'am, oh, we were
both sergeants yeah and it wasjust, it was just one of them
deals where you're like wellthen, it makes sense, because
not only are you, I mean you'reyou're putting the victim in a
place where they oh, am I introuble?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
yeah, that's what it was the idea yeah, but when
you've dealt with juveniles likeI had for every day and I
Mirandized that was the law youMirandize every juvenile, no
matter if you're going to talkto them.
So it was just the first thingI said.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
I started.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Oh my gosh afterwards I'm like, yeah, she caught it,
great job.
Don't you ever?
Miranda has a victim again.
Yes, ma'am, yeah, sorry,whatever you say, but she's
great.
You know she was great.
And then, yeah, you learn a lot.
She's a good interviewerespecially.
I'd hate to do her job.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Interviewing was never my forte.
With our little crew, joey wasthe the interviewer I could find
, find the dope, but I alwayssaid that joey could talk a nun
out of her panties.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, yeah, she is that's the cool thing when you,
when you have a squad, when youand you especially supervise
them, when you get to know theirstrengths and weaknesses and
then utilize that, that kind ofgives you a break.
If you're a unit, go find it.
If you're, if you're somebodythat can talk and interview
you're.
That was kind of gives you abreak.
If you're a find it unit, gofind it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
If you're, if you're somebody that can talk and
interview you're that was one ofthe things that aggravated me a
lot about about it, because ouruppers at times which I won't
say any names or nothing likethat I don't want to ostracize
anybody because they're justdoing what they're doing, but
that was kind of my feelings onthe matter is I wanted to run my

(01:12:30):
shift to play on everybody'sstrengths and what they wanted
to do If we had a guy thatwanted to write tickets.
I'd you know, okay, man, gowrite tickets, because the rest
of us don't want to and ournumbers still look good.
Or this one wants to find dopeor whatever.
So we'd give him a break offthe radio, let him go hunt some,
you know, see if he can find agood meth lab or something.

(01:12:51):
Yeah, but it didn't work thatway all the time and I think
that goes back to the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
We had a structure of this is how we've done it, this
is how we're always going to doit and kind of kind of
mentality you can't change welland if it ain't broke, don't fix
it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
So I think well policing went from we're not
changing, we're not changing,we're not changing, we're not
changing to oh my god, we've gotto change.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Yeah, just overnight so yeah, I think we've talked
about this on some other show.
You know, you can remember back, ferguson was probably the one
of the.
That's the biggest change.
Yeah, that was from from theway our training officers from
the 90s, 80s and 90s trained us.
What year did you startpolicing?

(01:13:36):
98.
So 98.
I was 2002, so four years laterwe were still trained by these
80s guys and early 90s guys.
So we were learning the oldschool, this is what we do.
And then so we trained that way, and then all of a sudden,
something like a ferguson orwhere eyes get put on you really

(01:13:57):
hard.
Not that that guy did, you know, he just did the job.
It was just, it was a lot ofpolitical things that happened.
That was a big, big change, andthen, of course, everything
else in between, but I'm surethere's other things and then
the way we've policed haschanged, and it's for the better
.
I mean, you have to be able tochange in some way.

(01:14:19):
I would love to go back to whereyou could just take care of
business and leave it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
You're right, there needs to be more understanding
and more patience on the side ofthe police.
Because a lot of times you cancome up with an understanding or
an agreement with the communityor whoever you're trying to
police.
That turns out to be a bettersituation.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
I think we need to drop the old mentality of and a
lot of the guys I worked withdidn't have it, but then some of
them did is I'm the police, byGod?

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
You know what I'm saying.
I mean the way you are.
The police need to be heldaccountable to a degree on, or
to a big degree on, the way thatthey act, but, however, they
still need the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
I'm the police by God , because you don't need to be
like Seattle, where they don'tthe cowardlessness that does
society right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
it does society any good to be chicken, to be wimps,
because the fabric of the wholesociety goes down.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
It was Capone that said don't misunderstand my
kindness for weakness.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Don't take my kindness for weakness.
I've used that some.
But I think in my career youknow, you see these things
happen and it's just sad becauseI worry about the next
generation.
So our generation of policingis dying.
You know we're not the new.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
And that's good and bad.
Yeah, and that's both good andbad.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
And we've talked about it before kind of
previously, and I've heard otherpodcasts talk about it as well
is brotherhood's dying.
It's not a brotherhood anymore,it's it's everybody's out to
cut each other down.
Yeah, it's just a job and thatand that said, I mean we had a
good brotherhood, and I mean and, and I will policing was a way
of life.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Yeah, for a lot of us , you know, especially old
military guys like back in theday, you know, we'd start out
making $8 an hour.
I had to run a hose from mycruiser to my apartment so I
could have some air conditioning, but I was the police, so at
the time that's all thatmattered, because you was in an
honorable job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
And that's the thing.
I don't know what happens nextin policing.
It's an interesting turn.
I hope public gets back behindthem.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
I think it'll get better.
It'll get back to where it justkind of slinkies back and forth
.
I enjoy something will happenand the public hates them, and
then something will happen againand the public loves this, and
it's I mean, it's kind of afickle beast and a fine line and
and like we've said before, itjust takes one bad apple to ruin

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the whole bunch for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
That's true.
And the thing about policing is, you know and I do think that
that they need to be paid well,because one mistake in this job
is all it takes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
You know that you make a mistake, you could end up
in prison and if they ever getrid of qualified immunity, the
job will not be worth doing thatwould be the day that anybody
that is a cop in Kentucky shouldquit yeah, I agree
wholeheartedly, because I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I mean there's how much insurance can you carry on
your side for something?

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
and then if somebody can take your home over
something that you know you'redoing something by policy, the
way you were trained, but thenstill the court held liable by
the court of public opinion.
Yeah, so I mean.
I don't know well we kind ofgot off on a tangent there, but
sorry to get on a lighter side.
I mean, I don't know.
Well, we kind of got off on atangent there, sorry.
But to get on a lighter side,I've got one story I want to

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tell about Richie and hopefullyhe don't get too upset.
But we talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Oh God, I know which one he's going to.
Yeah, but I deserve this one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
I actually deserve this one as a brotherhood.
That's what I said.
We had a good brotherhood.
We were all on our squad.
I mean everybody was friends.
We went out to eat together, wehung out.
I mean we were tight, but withthat, brothers fight sometimes
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Oh man, richie probably got a fist fight.
That's no big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
And Richie, if he was in a bad mood at the start of
the shift.
I mean, it was pretty easy topush his buttons anyways, and we
had another officer on shiftthat it was his, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
That was his mission to push buttons.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
That was.
His mission was to push buttonsany time he could and he was
good at it.
He was good at it and somebodyonce said that he's like, well,
he is a dick, but he's aconsistent dick.
He's a dick every day.
He's a dick every day toeverybody.
So we're uh, like little g wastalking about.
It was 12 o'clock.

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We went and got our food atwalmart.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
That was the ritual 12 12 sandwiches or something
sandwiches or microwave sushi orso you know it'd be something

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
where?

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
yeah, or five dollar sushi, or I set the pd on fire
with a pizza every time I triedto make a pizza in that oven we
had to call the fire department.
But we were sitting there we'rewatching these infomercials
because that's all it's on it,and this was about the time that
, uh, I guess it's instapods andair fryers and all that was

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becoming big.
So we had one, and the otherofficer had one, and Richie
didn't have one at this time andhe's like what all can you make
in it?
And we were like everything,literally everything, and he
thought we were being justgeneral in vain.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
I was asking Roby in particular.
Yeah, but you know a couple ofthem chimed in like you can put
about anything in there.
Yeah literally, but I had noidea.
Airfare just sounded off to me,yeah, and I'd never even heard
of such.
So how did we take your story?

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
No, you're fine, Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
But so I asked Roby.
I was was like, what can youmake in it?
And he and robbie's being asmart ass, he's kind of in a bad
mood too and he's like anythingman.
So I was like but I mean,seriously, can I mean what?
What can you actually make init?
And he's like freakingeverything.
You know so well that his tonepissed me off.
Well, the chief had done pissedme off for the day because he

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jumped onto us for not doingsomething.
And I was trying to take careof them guys, I was trying to be
a shield.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
You know how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
So you was always taking it from the uppers and
you was always taking it fromthe lowers too.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
So you was getting kind of in the middle.
Yeah, that middle managementsucks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
And then I think I might have gotten to an argument
with my kid or my wife orsomething that day, so I was in
a pretty pissed off mood, but hesmarted off to me, which was
what we did every day to eachother.
It was nothing out of theordinary.
We always smarted off.
Well, he just caught me.
It was just one of those days,it was just one of those days I

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lose my frigging mind.
I mean I'm literally callinghim.
Everything I can think of.
I'm like he's a piece of shit,he's lost.
He just lost it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
It's funny we were all sitting there around the
squad table and richie pops upand takes his belt off.
He says you're fine let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
I've had enough of your smart ass.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
But what set him off it was so funny is what set him
off is Richie was a smart aleckcomment.
Oh yeah about the yogurt.
He says well, what can you putin it?
Can you make yogurt in it?
Well, lo and behold, there's ayogurt setting on the Instapot.
So you really can.
And Roby just goes, just goes,yeah, you can.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
And he thought he was giving him your smart ass.
You know, I'm like bullshit.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
You can't fry yogurt so it got to the point that we
just kind of looked at eachother with another officer and
we just got a guy, we kind ofsnuck down.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It was let me just put it this way, it was one of
the worst debacles and displaysof my entire life and I'm I feel
sorry to this day, the way Italked to that man he did not
deserve what I, what I did maybenot at the time you know I mean
we met him, we, we had similarpersonalities where we would

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well, type eight personalitieseventually

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
yeah, and when you get called to the and I think I
was supervised, me, and youprobably were supervised when
you and yeah, it's like you anddoug and somebody else on our
shit I can't remember who's thatyou know you have all like, how
do you supervise somebodythat's done it longer than you?
Right, I've just been at thedepartment longer and he had a

(01:23:13):
valid point like hey, this isstupid, what are we doing?
I'm like just do it, man.
I'm getting that and I don'tthink you would realize what was
coming down from.
You know how much pressure theyput on you no you don't Until
you get that sergeant role.
Yeah, and I was like man, thisain't coming for me.
Well, you just got to go do it.
You know like probably writetickets or mark traffic lights.

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Yeah, we used to have to tapeon the city street lights.
Oh, I remember that, and thatdidn't come from the chief.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
That came from like city council and the mayor
opening and closing cemeterygates.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
The cemetery gates that you can walk around, yeah,
and drive around it never.
There's nothing worse than whenyou had to go open it up for
somebody that got stuck in thereand they're not locked they're
not locked yeah, you just openthem meltdowns.
I've been in here for 20 minutes.
Nobody's let me out.
I'm like honey, do you?
Even try, it's not locked yeah,but uh, oh my gosh.
Yeah, you know that wassomebody's pet peeve.

(01:24:13):
If the gates weren't closed oropen, man, they would call in on
that stuff.
It's fine and dandy, but whenyou're trying to tell people
that came from different placeslike, hey, you gotta go shut
these gates, you're like what?
And then you know, so there wasclashes.
That happened and I think youhave to have those.
Hey, it's sharp, iron sharpensiron.

(01:24:34):
Sometimes I think he was goingto see how, how far I was going
to go.
I was like we'll fight.
He said I ain't fighting you,I'll shoot you I'm like look,
you gotta know your enemy.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
I can't beat this enemy that's how my philosophy
always was too let's have words,get over it and then roll on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
I remember the first time I don't know if I told this
story on here, but I was likesupervising somebody like John
Whitehead, john Loving, one ofthe best dope finders,
interviewers all around.
Supervising somebody like JohnWhitehead, john love him, one of
the best dope finders,interviewers all around, just a
dude when it came to policing,but he would give supervisors

(01:25:17):
absolute grief.
So I get promoted.
He don't even put in for it,but I get promoted.
I'm like uh-oh.
So the first thing I did when hewas on my shift was like hey,
john, let's go out and eat.
So I took him to Chinatown orsomewhere and I'm like, hey,
let's.
Uh.
And I'm just honest, I was likeyou're smarter than me, you're

(01:25:39):
ten times better cop than me.
I need the money and I don'tknow how to police or I don't
know how to supervise.
But if you, if you could justcut me some slack, man, I don't
want to have to write you up ordo something like that.
He got that big john whiteheadsmile.
I said I got you back, buddy.
Yeah.
But I was like I know, I knewwhat I needed to do to make sure

(01:26:01):
that was a good move.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Respect goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
That was a good move, but I did respect him and I
respected everybody.
There's times I probably putmore people on paper than a lot
of supervisors, not because Iwanted to.
It's just like here's what youdid, here's what we're going to
do, and I wasn't a jerk about it, I just didn't want to yell and

(01:26:26):
scream at somebody.
It's like fix your actions.
I'm sure of did I write you up?
okay, you were involved in onebut it wasn't that I'm like
warnings and then go becausewe've already had this
conversation.
I don't want to be a jerk, butwell, that that's.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
That was the thing most of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
If you had a good officer they knew they screwed
up, yeah, so they're alreadybeating theirself up about it so
you know.
So it's just we acknowledgethis.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Let's move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Roll on, you know it's just you're doing a good
job otherwise, but quit that so,but I've had so many butt
chewewings I remember gettingcalled into the carpet Did you
say this?
Yeah, why'd you say it?
Well, I meant it.
You meant you was going to killthis guy.

(01:27:18):
I said, well, he had my cousinDUI in the car.
I said, yeah, at the timeGrandma's called up here.
She's mad at you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I'm like let her be mad.
Sorry Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Tell her to scratch her butt and get glad.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
I never lied.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
A lot of times I'd come in and be like, hey, if you
get a complaint saying this andthat I said it, Walk out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
That was me too.
If I was telling a story orsomething, of course I'd add
flavor and flash and embellishit, all the pieces.
But if I was ever called in Ialways told the truth, because
if you ever got caught well,your integrity is is all.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
That's all you really ?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
got I mean you're not rich.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
You're not making a bunch of money.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
No so you're so you just got to be honest.
Well, I was, I was alwayshonest, and that didn't always
no.
And it was a lot of money, no,so you're.
So you just got to be honest.
When I was, I was always honest, and that didn't always no and
it was a lot of times it getsyou in trouble.
Yeah, yeah, and I was actuallycareful, like do you really want
my opinion, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
really want it.
I'll give it to you thattowards the end of my career,
it's where I'd have to give thecaveat, do you really?

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
want my opinion, or do you gladly give it to you?
Yeah, you're not going to likeit.
Your feelings are going to behurt afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
As well.
Now, when you're I guess youknow, as an administrator,
sometimes you just didn't havetime or budget didn't allow you
to hear all the complaintsYou're like, yeah, you've made
that point, I don't have that inthe budget to do.
We are sorry, but if you canexplain that and I think we're

(01:28:50):
getting to the wise and helpingofficers understand clarity-
yeah, that's a littletransparency, a little clarity
flash's generation was differentthan mine you know, meaning me
and you were growing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
when we come up to the police, police rank, it was
because I said so type ofmentality.
Why are we doing this?
Because I said so.
Why are we doing this?
Because I want you to.
That generation wanted to knowwhy it's fair.
It used to drive me crazybecause I wanted to always say
because I freaking, said so,that's why.
But once I noticed with thirdgeneration, once you told them

(01:29:26):
why, 95% of the time they'relike, oh okay, everything's good
.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
That blind leader, blind following, kind of ended,
it ended, and that's smart.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
on third generation Gen X, after that millennials
come along.
That ended, yeah, that wassmart.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
Now as I said there was a few people that would be
like because I want you to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Okay, I mean that's all you did, but yeah, but it's
so much easier if I give you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
But that was a respect thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
It was not a.
If I give you the why, you'llbuy into it Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
And they nine times out of ten did and.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
I learned that pretty quick.
I was like when quick.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
When I'm dealing with those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
I'll just tell them why we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Even if we didn't know the why it came down from
hires, we were still going tomake up some why.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
That's probably true.
That was fine.
I don't know why, but it camedown from above.
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
I heard that a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
I don't like it.
It's stupid.
We're going to do it If we dongonna do it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Well, if we don't do it, jesus is gonna come back,
yeah okay, okay, as long asthere's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
I don't know what else you got for us.
You got any more good oneswilling?
How much time?

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
we got we got plenty of time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Of course I'm gonna have to go over here and go to
pay again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
No bladder of course it's almost 12, so I'll tell one
more.
All right, one more, and thenwe'll, we'll come up and then
I'll have.
Uh, I've, I've got a hundred ofthem, but oh, we'll do a part
two, yeah let's see um what arewe at in time?

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
130 oh yeah we're good that we're still that's
what our average is, yeah I'vegot a lot of people that are
saying they want longer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
So I mean Really yeah , but we can do a part two.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
An hour, hour and a half, that's long enough for.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
A bunch of idiots.
Yeah Well, the one we weretalking about.
I've got a couple more writtendown and, as we're talking about
this, other things are comingto me.
I'll tell you another good one.
When I first started, I got agood one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
This episode brought you by Depend.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Talk amongst yourselves.
I've had three waters and twocoffees.
If you guys end up getting aDepends contract, I won't end.
Do we need to wait until hegets?

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Okay, who knows how long he'll be in there well, he
was talking about new people andand how some, some of the older
folks had different views onthings and not knowing your
surroundings and that you know,so I come up to the sheriff's
department so I don't even knowwhat.

(01:32:12):
25e is or 192.
I don't even know the main roads.
So I go to the this is like thesecond day and we go and it's a
weekend and there was theseguys, older guys there named,
and their nickname was Coloneland the other ones was Sarge, so

(01:32:38):
and I don't know that.
I know one of them's not livingany longer, but the other one I
think still is, but I thoughtthat was their rank right, so I
didn't know that that was theirnickname at the time.
So so we get, we go to thiscall and they, they're, they're
part-timers, yeah, they're noteven not even academy certified

(01:33:01):
I don't even, I remember, Idon't even I don't even.
I didn't even know that at thetime.
I'm thinking that I'm workingthe street with a colonel and a
sergeant.
So I show up at this call andthis old lady is like they're
smoking the marijuana in there.
I want something done.
That's literally.
I mean you can smell it.
But it was not enough to kickdown doors and take 14 people to

(01:33:29):
jail because there's a bunch ofpeople in this house and so I'm
explaining to her.
I'm like man, I can't just kicktheir door in.
I've knocked on it, they're notgoing to come.
I can't just kick their dooropen and do that.
Well, the colonel and the sergepulls in at this time.
So I'm thinking that this istheir rank.

(01:33:49):
Yeah, once again let me justreiterate that because I'm
telling you why here in just asecond, and so I'm like we can't
do nothing.
And they're old school At thistime.
They're used to seeing whatused to happen before the laws
changed.
Yeah, they're smoking marijuanain there.
Kick the door in, go in thereand arrest every damn one of

(01:34:11):
them.
I was like, are you sure?
And they're like, yeah, do it.
But they were just messing withme.
I mean, this is like day two onthe job.
Yeah, up here, and I don't knowthese people.
So I'm like okay, up here and Idon't know these people.
So I'm like okay.
So I mean I go in there and I'mlike kick the door in, like get
on the ground.
I'm putting people on theground.
I mean I end up arresting like14 people literally for like two

(01:34:40):
marijuana jobs.
So when I get back to thesheriff's office and I start
telling them this story andthey're like why would you do
what they tell you to do?
I was like, well, well, fricky,one guy's a colonel.
I was like I'm just a deputy.
He's like he's.
He's like third command aroundhere.
He's like he ain't even afull-time officer, much less.
I'm like, oh, I saw, I turnedgreen immediately, I'm oh my god

(01:35:04):
, I've literally violated 14people's civil rights.
I'm in so much trouble that'sso funny.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
I don't feel like you're doing your job right if
you've not checked the localpaper to see if you've made it.
I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I don't like being in the news.
It was awful man we've seensome funny stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
I'm telling you I could go on, for we'll have to
have a part two of this one.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
This will be, like doug's, what we may have to get
you on with with another, withroe beer or some of the other
guys that we ran with on that,or g or that's fine with me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
That way we can bounce stories off of each other
.
I've still probably got 10 ofjust my own that I've just
thought of since sitting here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
We'll do it again, yeah, we'll add yeah, that's the
cool thing about this we getoff on our own little stories,
but there's always next timeexactly, and I think of more.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
I've got a bunch wrote down too, but I keep
thinking of more.
It's wouldn't dog another one,and well you know they do, they
do, I think but we'll cut it offhere and then, uh, we'll catch
up in a part two sometime laterdown the road.
But uh, it's a good happeningI'm glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
It's good to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
It's been a while and it's kind of like therapy.
It's uh, it's good to get theold crew back together.
It's been really fun it has ourplan is to do like a live or an
old liars club it's allrecording funny stuff and
cutting on each other so that'sgoing to be one of the goals to

(01:36:43):
do this in the next couplemonths or something once we get
a studio set up we hey, we may.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
We may be sponsored by depends here, surely?

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
or we may get a cease and desist letter you never
know, we may get a gag listen, Iwish I was wearing one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
I wouldn't have got up we may start a new line of
depends.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Then you guys are running.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
It depends.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Would you shut up?
Quit talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Listen, I could, I don't know.
Like I said, I just got to go,I got to go, I can't hold it no
more.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Well, I've got a wife , so I understand it.
I'm like an old woman.
You're like a woman Can't holdit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
All right, we'll see you all next time.
Yep, all right, see you Thanks.