Pooches, Possums, and Poltergeist

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From notorious incidents to cultural shifts in the '90s, we recount some of our most memorable experiences. Whether it's a traffic stop with a twist or the eerie tales of supernatural encounters, our stories paint a vivid picture of the quirks and challenges faced by law enforcement. We also touch on the lighter side, sharing humorous anecdotes about office antics, car accidents, and the unpredictable nature of police work, revealing the blend of humor and seriousness that defines our careers.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying low to
run a dim street light Laughingthrough the written reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts, tales from the force
gone astray, caught up in thegames they play.
High speed chases gone awry.
Serious turns into pie in thesky Just out of jurisdiction

(00:35):
Left during the conviction.
All right guys.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
We've got another episode for you here of Just Out
of Jurisdiction.
Got a pretty good episode, Ithink, lined up for you tonight
it's going to be good.
So I'm no stranger to having tosit across from a police chief
or two, and tonight I'm actuallysitting across from two of them
.
I've worked for four chiefs inmy career.

(01:00):
Two of them were not so fun towork for.
Two of them were great to workfor, so two of them are were not
so fun to work for.
Two of them were great to workfor, so two of them were in this
room.
I'll let you all figure thatout.
Yeah, you ain't gonna saynothing.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Who's what they know, who they are, so that's weird
that we're able to do thispodcast together.
I feel the love over here, no,no, I'll say it you two are
definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I enjoyed my job under you all.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well, that's because Derek hired you.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well yeah and that's the thing.
So Derek is the chief thathired me.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
But you didn't work long under me.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, he got out of there.
I hope I'm not the reason,that's all right.
I I hope I'm not the reason.
I was like oh, good Lord, lookwho they've hired.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
And if you're listening and I happen to be the
one that take you to jail it'sDerek's fault.
Listen.
So I'll tell this Derek.
And this is what was so hardwhen Derek was my first sergeant
right, he was my sergeant, soas he progressed up the ladder
and I became sergeant, he'slieutenant.
He's.
You know what you did everyposition, every position.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, I think it was.
They told me I was the onlychief that had served every
position within the department.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, that's right.
I mean you were every he as Iwas staying put, yeah, but you
know, but it as I was stayingput, derek was, but you know it
was hard because he's mysergeant, so there was times
where I still felt like I didn'ttell him exactly how I feel
about this.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, and he did.
He let me know exactly what hethought, and that was a good
thing.
That was a good thing.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Sometimes that was not the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Sometimes other people didn't feel like he
should be telling me.
Some things that he told me.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
And I paid them.
Listen.
One of the funniest things Iwas sitting in Joe Smith's
office.
He was a detective slash IT guy.
I'm sitting there, derek callsI had screwed up a report like a
FOT.
Yeah, just like the time.
We know how important those FOTsheets are, so I had like

(03:09):
written like 1800 or, and Ishould have wrote 1600,
something like that and I washaving a good day that day too,
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I ever saw you have a good day.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
I was a chief this is why he's lieutenant.
And he was over the FOT andthat was always kind of like
this is why he's a lieutenant.
He was over there.
That was always kind of likeugh.
So he comes, he's like hey.
I was like, hey, I'm up here.
He radioed and I called back inthe back yeah, I said I'm in
Joe's office, I'll be rightthere and I'll fix it.
Okay, and Joe, it was not me, Iswear.
Joe says whatever.

(03:41):
And then, sergeant, will youcome back to my office right now
?
I was like.
I was like I was like theposition of attention back there
.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I don't even know if he remembers this, but but you
got to admit I never raised myvoice.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
But I learned I didn't rat Joe out, though I
just took that ass to him,because I probably did look at
Joe and was like, oh, I got it.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Joe would never do anything like that.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
No, he would never ever poke or try to get somebody
else in trouble?
Not at all.
I came back in there.
I was like Joe, come on man, Ijust got ripped.
Dude, I thought I was like gosh, thanks.

(04:33):
Now Derek probably should havesent me home several times, but
not for that one.
But I mean, there was, I waslike, yeah, I had t-dogs pretty
easy going, but I I wasopinionated and that that was
not always the right thing,especially when you go from a
patrol sergeant, you know whenyour world's here, and then when
you move into theadministration side, you kind of
see like and I've apologizedseveral times to him and Stuart,
I wish I had apologized to him,darrell, all of them, I'm like

(04:57):
man.
The last time we was together Iwas like man, my bad guys.
I was such a jerk to you guys.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You honestly don't know and that's me too.
I mean, as you go, as you're apatrolman sergeant, every time
you reach a different levelyou're like you look at the guys
that are in those positionsbefore you and you're like boy,
when I get in that spot, I'm notgoing to do it the way they're
doing it now.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
And you get to that spot and you're like, well,
maybe I can see kind of why theywant to see it.
You can see exactly why youhave to.
There's a controlling elementthat you are unaware of.
Well, I'm chief, I can do ityou don't realize the
limitations there's politicsinvolved.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
You become quite a politician.
There's limitations on what youcan do.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
There's budgets that you didn't understand, Like, oh
my gosh, you've got to sit downand like, oh, all this money's
got to line up right.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
When I get in there, I'm like, oh, we're going to all
have brand new chargers everyyear.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
All the things you wanted.
From the other side of it, itdid keep me in a 2009 Crown Vic
until 2018.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Well, that might have been.
Darrell finally put me in one.
Finally, I was like golly man.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Listen, I'll be honest with you and I wish I
still had that.
I would love to have had thatconvict over some of those
chargers we had.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
They just oh yeah, they were the ones.
So what year did you startpolicing?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Started.
Literally when I started, Iturned 21, may 3, 1992, and I
stepped into a cruiser for thefirst time on May 4, 1992.
So it's a long time ago.
Who was that?
That was the sheriff's office.
Yeah, laurel County Sheriff'sDepartment.
I actually started out, man.

(06:42):
I worked with some of thelegends that you've heard about
when you were young.
I started out.
The first person I was in acruiser with was Raymond Roark.
Oh yeah, I worked with BillGeorge.
Yeah, back then statepolice-wise, you had well,
miller Groot was my chief deputyat the time.
He went on to become a statetrooper.

(07:03):
You had gosh Alan Lewis.
Yep, jack Riley was a youngtrooper back then.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Did he have toothpick in his mouth back then too?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, all the time he was born with it Same same.
He came out of the wombtoothpick in mouth.
Yeah, you need to get Jack onthere.
He can't.
KSP won't let him.
Yeah, steve walker, uh, yeah,you know.
Joe joe newton, uh, joeschinkenfelder, oh my god, those
guys for the pd.

(07:35):
You know, sam brock was arookie back then.
Uh, doug gregory, hump, humpwas a.
Hump was a was a patrolman.
Humps again, humps on, he'scoming, he's coming, he'll be a
good one.
Yeah, he was a patrolman backthen.
Hump's on, he's coming, he'llbe a good one.
Yeah, he was a patrol unit backthen.
Gosh, it's just Kenny Jones.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Kenny Jones has been policing since God rested on the
seventh day and Kenny startedpolicing on the eighth.
Yeah, I mean, those guys wereroad units back then.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
So I started, yeah, started roadies back then.
You know.
So I started, yeah, started 21in the Laurel County Sheriff's
Department.
Back then you worked a half aday in court and then you spent
a half day on the road.
You know you rode with peoplefor a while.
When you actually got to hitthe road you spent a half day in

(08:26):
court and a half day on theroad and then you know you had
your the guys that were runningthe, the courts.
You know even those guys.
You remember their names uh,don wattenberger, you know, uh,
elbert owens.
Those guys would run acourtroom like, uh, marine corps
di I know I don't know how manytimes later.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
You know don will come in there.
If you all don't shut up, I'mgoing to lock you up myself.
We'd be back there in the oldannex where it used to be a
district court.
I mean laughing at somethingsomebody did disturbing court
and bust in there and be likeI've told you all.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I remember being in a murder trial.
I was just working thecourtroom.
I wasn't even at that pointworking the courtroom.
I wasn't even at that pointworking the courtroom.
I was working the back hallwayjust making sure that no one was
, you know not authorized tocome in there with Edward Owens
and we were back there.
I remember Johnny Phelps was oneof the detectives on this.

(09:22):
It was a death row case, so wewere sitting back in the back
and it was cool for me you know,just a 21-year-old police
officer to be around all thesedetectives that were Junior
McKnight was one of thedetectives.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, Desi, you know I remember Junior coming in
there.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You know he was assigned to Desi at the time and
they were like don't letanybody.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
that's not supposed to be back here, come through
this door and this guy knocks onthe door.
Open it up.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Here's just a mountain of a guy with his beard
down to here and he looks likehe just barely crawled out of a
hollow someplace.
Yeah, standing there, I said,can I help you?
He's like yeah, I need to comein there.
I'm like not you sir?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
No, no, Not you man.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, this way, you know he looks like he's a big
unit, but I'm thinking, no, I'mnot supposed to put anybody back
here.
He said, yeah, I need to comeback there.
I'm like no, he's like, well,yeah, I'm supposed to.
Sorry, I can't let you back.
He turned sideways.
You know he's a big unit.
Looking straight at you when heturned sideways, he's about as

(10:34):
broad as a.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know he's as broad as he is tall.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I'm like oh, this isn't going to end well for me.
He's like can you call theCommonwealth attorney back?
I called back.
One of the assistants comes upand he goes oh, come on in,
junior, come on in.
He's like do you know who thatis?
I'm like I have no idea.
I'm like who are you?
Who are you?
Just walk back through here,that guy came out of the harbor.

(11:05):
He said that's Jim Herman.
I'm like, oh, that's the legend, that's the legend, jim Herman
man.
But just hanging out with thoseguys was really cool.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Like Lonzo, yeah, lonzo.
Oh man, you hear these names,you know, and you're like, oh my
gosh.
But I remember Johnny Phelps isprobably.
You still hear about hisinterviewing skills.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
His Phelps is probably you still hear about
his interviewing skills.
His interrogation skillsUnbelievable.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
That's who you wanted in if you want to crack it.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Look those guys, junior, johnny, I didn't work
with those guys, but I wasaround those people Just to hear
them sharing stories and stuffwas amazing.
Just to hear them sharingstories and stuff was amazing.
But getting to work on thestreet with people like Raymond
Roward, bill George, all yourmentors, steve Walker, me and

(11:55):
Steve Walker used to drink, thatwas all we did.
I mean, it was just a blastback then.
You hear of these names, theseguys from the 80s and they're
just let's go with 90s.
Well, they started in the 80s,yeah they started in the 80s,
some of them in the 70s, so youstarted in 92.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
How long did you do at the sheriff's office?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I was with the sheriff's department 92, 93, and
94.
92, 93, and 94.
Then left the SO 94 over alittle incident that occurred,
involving a traffic safetycheckpoint with the LCDC as a
booking officer for a bit.
We'll talk about that in alittle bit and I think it's

(12:41):
really great to go to.
And that was a really goodexperience for me because at
that point it was one of thosedeals where it was good to get
off the street for a little bitbecause you start feeling
bulletproof At that point.
I'm 5'6", 140 pounds.
I look like I'm 16 years old.
I spent the last half of mytime in East Bernstadt at

(13:06):
nighttime.
I'd been in a fight or two.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I would imagine that working with Derek out on the
street was like working withJoey out on the street.
Joey's all of 120 pounds fivefoot in the, and we would.
We would let him answer a callby himself.
We'd be like we kind of want toget into a tussle tonight.
We'd just let him go out.
We'd be close, but it'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
You're my size and back then.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
They would try you.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And back then you know the way it worked.
There were two PD officers outall through the night, there was
a trooper out until 2 am andthat trooper went in and you
were maybe the last deputy outat 4 am in the county and then
from 4 until 7, if you had tocall in the county they'd take
turns calling a trooper out onetime and calling a deputy out

(13:56):
one time.
So by the time I was 22, I'darrested two people for murder.
You get the experience, youlearn to fight and you bleed a
lot.
I mean you know it was a greatexperience, but coming off the
road, going into a detentioncenter for a while a great
experience.
I think that also kind ofhelped me get my attitude in

(14:19):
check.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You know and you start realizing hey, everybody,
you know, there's a lot of good.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Sometimes good people make bad decisions.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
There's some good people.
That's exactly right.
There's a lot of good peoplethat end up in the back of
police cruisers Right, and youstart to realize that the people
that we would take and drop off, you know they've got lives too
and you kind of get to see themas individuals.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
We talked about it with danny and I think that's
why I didn't end up in so manyfights is because I tried to
treat everybody like they justmade a mistake, like yeah I
never got any fights.
I never took anythingpersonally and I never yeah well
, when I when I came back.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
He only got in fights after after you and I will say
this too, you know, working atthe Sheriff's Department great
for experience, very fun, lovedworking at the SO.
Probably my favorite coupleyears was there at the SO.
The hardest, most eye-openingpart of my career was probably,

(15:19):
you know, a lot of respect forthose CEOs out there because
those guys have a really toughjob.
Like I said, very rewarding forme to have gone in this been
james or somebody, somebodywould come on here.
He would be good because thoseguys, those guys that that was
the hardest of all the the 27years that I spent law
enforcement.
That was the hardest year youcan get him or sean or somebody

(15:41):
yeah, the most rewarding timethat was that year that's been
inside and, like I said,probably made me a lot better
officer.
I think it would be rewardingfor everybody to actually get to
see that side of it.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
What little time did I sit in there.
I mean I wasn't on the CO sidebut you know, doing what we was
doing for L4 and just listeningto that, sean would come in.
He'd be like, hey, man, we'rehiring, I'd man, we're hiring.
I bet.
Nah, I'm good, you saw.
Well, it takes special person,it does.
I was like I don't think Icould do it.
I said I was okay with bringingthese people and dropping them
off to you.
I said, but after sittinglistening to this woman squall

(16:13):
for six hours, the last sixhours, I don't think there was
richie.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Richie baxter and I worked together inside, you know
, trooper, uh, worked insidetogether and I remember, you
know we had multiple people inthere that would go on to serve
death sentences, that wereawaiting trial or awaiting some
type of judicial yeah Ending totheir whatever was going on.
But I remember Robert CarlFoley, robert Bob we got you

(16:39):
know Bob Down on White Oak.
Huh, yeah, bob had some medicalconditions and at night when we
were working, he was in themaximum security area and they
would send Richie and I inbecause he would have to be out
in the day room.
They didn't want to send himout because he was such a
security risk.
So they would send RichieBaxter and I in with Bob and we

(17:03):
would literally sit there andplay cards with Bob Foley at
night to monitor.
It was getting to experiencestuff like that.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
I guess they consider him like a serial killer.
I guess he killed enough.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean, he's killed multiple death sentences Was he
the one with the gas stations,and all that.
No, that was actually, when Iwas telling you about being
there with Johnny and all ofthem, that was actually when I
was telling you about beingthere with Johnny and all of
them.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
That was big.
I was in ninth grade, somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Because he killed a few people too, didn't he
Several gas?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
station candidates.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Yeah, I guess he was yeah, and that was the same.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
That was scary.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
That was scary.
Living in I lived up in EastBernstead and it was just scary
to go in a gas station at thosetimes, like you know you're like
, oh my gosh, what's going on.
But that was because you knowthat was.
The victims were family andfriends of family.
You know it was really sad.
It was I mean, because back thenyou know it was you know

(18:03):
Joneses and all these peoplethat had these places.
You just thought, man, it wasscary.
You just didn't want to go downto the Shell Station.
You're, like that might be bad,ended up like Richie Reynolds
in Cheeto dust all over yourfront.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I believe you'd have had more Cheeto dust in that
fight.
I don't know, poo, I don't know, but that was some weird times
and the Foley stuff have hadmore than cheeto dust in that
fight.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
I don't know, poo, I don't know but it is.
You know that was some weirdtimes and the foley stuff you
know my grandparents lived downthere close to that, had family
aunts and uncles on white oakand fawn ridge and those that
you're like.
I grew up that down, thoseplaces you're like, oh my gosh,
so it's different, different.
It's the 80s, that was the 80sand 90s right there.

(18:45):
It was different times.
Plus we had the other, themurder mount guys.
We had like three active serialkillers in London.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I forgot about that.
That guy was a killer.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you start thinking maybe it's us, Maybe
it's something.
Listen, I've told people.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I've told it in interviews with other agencies.
I've told it in interviews withother agencies.
I've told it to people.
I was like, for some reason,this area is just a magnet for
crap.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
We always say that if it's going to happen, it's
going to happen in London.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, the I-75 makes it a weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
And you've got the parkway also.
Yeah, it's a crossroad.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
You know it is weird when we went over to Wattsburg
how many people knew thebusiness of what's going on in
London.
It's a hub.
It's very important to the eastof what happens here in this
part of Kentucky in London,because it was just such a
people work over here.
They'll drive all the way fromWattsburg, which is what?
Two and a half hours, somethinglike that Depends on how fast
you're driving.
To work at our hospital.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
We need to track down Hunsucker and try and get him
on there too.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah, that'd be fun.
I'd like to know some stuffgoing on over there.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, no joke.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
But after that, after I left the detention center, I
came on to PD.
We tested and made it to PD in1995.
95.
Spent the rest of the timethere.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I think I never had to run in with you.
You did pull me over one timebecause my high beams wasn't
working in this old Camaro I had.
And I got stopped right thereat the courthouse and you were
like.
I was like, did I bright lightyou?
And you was like yeah.
I said man, well, you knowthat's a violation to you.
No, I'm just kidding, butthat's the only time I ever got

(20:22):
stopped by the city police.
Maybe your brother.
My brother had that one coming.
I think he was amiscommunication, I think.
He came and complained aboutthat to Eddie Sizemore, a legend
.
He's like oh, but what happenedwas and I'll let you tell it
because it's funny he had itcoming.

(20:43):
It was a joke.
It was a joke, but now I thinkit got misconstrued about what I
said.
I'm sure I'm sure it did.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
It was funny, though this is a classic line and it
should shouldn't be used by youdon't, don't, don't, don't,
don't do it anymore, but so I Ihad, I had a sense of humor
while I was out on the street.
I know it's hard to believe now, but it's great.
I pulled over someone's brotherand I think his girlfriend was

(21:16):
with him, wasn't it?
Yeah, for running a stop sign,and I was always a big.
You know, I was a canine unit,I was an interdiction unit, so I
always worked traffic quite abit, never wrote.
I don't think I probably wrote.
If I wrote you a ticket, it'sbecause you literally made me
write you a ticket, because yougot a ticket, one of two ways

(21:39):
you were going to go to jail,yeah you needed it, yeah, or you
made me so mad, you talkedyourself into it and I couldn't
figure out how to take you tojail, yeah.
So he ran a stop sign and Ipulled him over and said, hey,
I'm just going to give you awarning because it's what I did
interdiction.
It's like, hey, you ran a stopsign back there 16, 17-year-old

(22:02):
kid, whatever.
Yeah, might have been 18.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, you ran stop sign back there and he
seemed like a good kid.
You know, easy going.
Yeah, he said well, I sloweddown.
I said you know what?
It reminds me of a joke.
I once heard about a policeofficer pulling a guy over that
ran a stop sign.
He said, well, I slowed downdown.

(22:28):
I said police officer takes hisflashlight out, starts hitting
him in the head and tells himyou want that?

Speaker 4 (22:30):
you tell me when you want me to slow down when you
want me to stop.
Yeah, classic, classic joke.
Yeah, so I'm like I don't thinkyou could get away with that
these days.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
It was great it's great so, um, you know, I'm like
, you know, hey, just just, youknow, slow down.
You know let's just slow down,stop.
Don't just slow down, stop Stop.
He said, okay, appreciate it.
Next thing, I know it's likegetting a phone call.
I was like threatened to hitsomebody in the head with a
flashlight for running a stopsign.

(22:54):
I'm like I don't think so thatwas funny Classic when Derek
stopped me.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
I remember he had.
He had the cool it had to be.
You had a mustache back thenthe cool, cool 70s corn stache.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
No, no, it was like the 90s, 90s thin, ah, okay,
thinner yeah, it was a cool dog,cool car.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, around this good time the vice mustache,
that's it.
Yeah, that's it, that's it whatelse we got.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I know there's some I want you to tell the.
Was it at the sheriff's officewhen the you had to take care of
the dog thing?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Because this one, this was tragically funny.
We had a murder that took place.
I remember it was December, Ithink 1993.
It was very cold out.
I remember.
He knows the dates.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why,because I can't remember what I
ate for dinner last night, but Iknow it was December.
It was great in there 1993.

(23:59):
I remember because it was coldout, there was snow and ice on
the ground.
I remember because it was coldout, there was snow and ice on
the ground and I just, you knowback then, like it was when we
worked third shift, there wasn'ta whole lot to eat out.
But I remember Hardee's wasalways open.
You had Burger Boy and we wouldeat at Hardee's.
I always ate at Hardee's backthen and I was out by myself.

(24:21):
Nobody else was out, trooperwas someplace else.
I'd stopped to eat at Hardee'sand I just got out, started
eating.
Dispatch called.
It was Greg Owens and I forgotwho was working with him Mark
Begley.
Mark Begley and two greatdispatchers, by the way.

(24:45):
Great dispatchers, yeah, theywere Mark.
If you wanted two dispatchersto, by the way, great
dispatchers, yeah, they wereMark.
If you wanted two dispatchersto handle a bad call, that was
two of you'd want.
Back then Mark yelled at me,said you know, I thought it was
SO9 at the time.
He said SO9, got a domestic ofsome kind going on way up 490,
like almost in towards WindingBlade.
Two subjects arguing.

(25:05):
They keep hanging up on thephone.
So I'm like.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm at.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Hardy's on South Main Street.
So I'm like okay, you know, Ihead that way, get up, get in my
cruiser, start heading that way.
Again, it's ice, it's late,it's early morning hours, so I
start heading that way as fastas I can.
But it's on eyes start goingout that way here.
Dispatch saying you know, sonow just make you be advised.

(25:29):
Subject keeps calling back,hanging up.
Sounds like they're arguingpretty good, so I'm getting
there as fast as I can.
Still on way I get about to, Iguess, 490 and 25.
I hear them drop tones.
Oh no for la unit.
Maybe a little bit farther down.
An LA unit come 10-8, super 9ambulance run a possible gunshot

(25:52):
wound?
Oh no, and I give the addressout.
I keep waiting for them to sayyou know, is that the call?
I'm going on?
Still don't hear anything.
Yeah, so I finally, after awhile, I key up and say is that
LA unit going to the presidentsthat I am going to?
Is that subject that they'rearguing with?
Has he been shot?

(26:12):
Remember, mark begley, as calmas he can be, saying well, so
nine, can't really say for sure,but looks like it's pretty good
bet he's calm, he was good.
He looks like it's pretty good,bet he's calm he was good he was
looks like it's pretty good bet, yeah, I love it that just
little hint of sarcasm and lookslike a pretty good bet.

(26:33):
I love it so, uh, we get I headon out that way.
And now y'all again, it's iceout there.
Uh, what ends up had happened?
Two gentlemen had gotten intofrom what we can tell had gotten
into an argument and he keepscalling.
Called Greg, first time, gregOwens, and said you know, hey,

(26:56):
owens did a great job.
Said you know, I'm fightingwith my.
You know we're having a fighthere.
You need to get the police outof here.
You need to get them out ofhere now.
Hangs up the phone.
Greg calls him, backs up thephone.
Greg calls him back.
He answers the phone.
Hello, hey, is everything allright?
Everything's fine, don't worryabout it.
You don't have to send anybodyout of here.
Hangs up as soon as he hangs up, calls right back.

(27:16):
You better get the police outof here.
Up calls back.
It's just non-stop the wholeway.
Last phone I mean there'sliterally nine, ten phone calls
made with Greg calling him rightback from.
Everything's fine, don't sendthe police to.
You, better get them out here.
I'm getting ready.
Well, the last call is youbetter get the police out here.

(27:37):
I'm getting ready to shoot thisguy.
Hold on a second pow, I've shotthis guy.
You go ahead and send thepolice out here, but I but I'm
not going to be here.
When you get here, it hangs up.
Greg calls him right back, hello, and Greg manages to keep him
on the phone the entire timewhile I'm on my way out there.
So when I get there and heactually talks him into going

(27:59):
outside and he's outside.
When I pull in, he's outside.
He's got his hand up under hisshirt like this, talking on the
phone.
I get out, draw down on him.
Let me see your hands, let mesee your hands, let me see your
hands.
Doesn't pay any attention to me.
So all I see is this with thephone.

(28:22):
So the next thing you hear isme hitting him as he goes to the
ground Because he's notlistening to me.
I think he's got a gun, I don'tknow what.
He's got up under his.
I get him to the ground,handcuff him, bring him to the
back of my car.
By this time you see an LA unitcoming or you can hear the LA
unit.
You can't see it Coming downthe road.
See it coming down the road.

(28:48):
I go up, open the door.
I said pitbull, look at meright there now as I open the
door.
I slam the door back.
We just been given pepper spray, so open the door, pull the
pepper spray, pepper spray.
Shut the door back.
Open the door.
Brian ring since, coming out ofthe LA unit as they arrive, goes
to the back and is walkingtowards us.

(29:09):
As I open the door up, the pitbull runs through the door, past
me, around the side of thehouse, comes back and pictures
in on Brian.
He just targets Brian, startsrunning right at Brian.
Brian turns and runs the otherway.
Moose runs the other way,starts yelling, shoot him, shoot

(29:30):
him, shoot him.
I pull my weapon, fire oneround, get the dog, open the
door up again and there's thegentleman that had been shot in
the head, our perpetrator, who'sin the back of my car.
When we finally get the wholestory alleges that the gentleman
that is dead, who's a relativeof his, had molested the dog,

(29:55):
and that's why he shot the oh mygosh, he shot the victim.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So there's a law in Kentucky now about barnyard
sodomy.
So there's a law in Kentuckynow about barnyard sodomy.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
The next night I'm in Corbin Because this is a whole
mess.
There was another trooper,barry Blair, and it's so I'm in
Corbin, one of the troopers fromanother county.
We meet there at the halfwaypoint and he looks at me and

(30:28):
goes so is it true?
I said do what he said.
Is it true?
I said what he said you shotthe rape victim.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
I didn't know it was Barry, it was.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Barry.
Barry was with me that night.
It was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's hilarious, that's amazing, it's true.
That poor dog.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Supposedly it's true Put it out of its misery.
It was just wild down there,especially on the north side of
town.
I remember that was meth.
You really hadn't seen a lot ofmeth until you started seeing
it there at the end of 1993.
I remember first fight withsomebody.
It was on meth.

(31:16):
I'm not going to say I don'tknow if you guys would know
these boys or not.
There was a family that pulledone of them it.
I don't know if you guys wouldknow this.
These boys are not.
There was a family but pulledone of them over.
Saw him get into his vehicle.
I was pulling into Ape YardMarket.
Saw this guy getting into hiscar.
As he's getting into his car Ihear the beer bottle fall out
and start rolling across theparking lot.

(31:38):
I'm like I've got to go checkthis one out.
That's a clue.
So I get after him.
I finally get him pulled overin front of EB's shell, get out
of the car.
He's obliterated.
I mean just obliterated.
Ran him through field sobriety,no problem.
Finally look at him and sayKurt, you know you want to go

(31:59):
with me tonight.
It's not the first time I'vearrested this guy because you
were dealing with a lot of thesame people all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You get repeats quite a bit in this area.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So I said, kurt, you know you're going to have to go
with me tonight.
And I reached down, had a holdof him, put the first cuff on
him and when I did he turned asfast as anybody I've ever seen
turn and he nailed me rightbetween the eyes and I've heard

(32:30):
people say they've been hit sohard they see stars.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
I don't know if I saw stars but, there was a million
shiny things.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, In the sky those were angels coming to get
you, Gary.
They were coming down swimmingfrom high and let me tell you
something, buddy.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
The fight was on, I swung.
First thing I did out of reflex, was swing my flashlight and I
nailed him and my flashlightwent and it was gone and the
fight was on.
I mean he got me into a bearhug and I'm sitting there just
doing your best.
I mean it's a fight forsurvival, it's not.

(33:00):
I mean I mean hit him witheverything on my belt except a
bullet, finally fought my wayaround the car.
I mean literally fought fromone my driver's side, all the
way around until I got mynightstick and managed to break
away, get my nightstick andliterally just fought and beat

(33:21):
him to the to the back of thecar.
Never got him handcuffed.
Never got him handcuffed.
Uh, finally got my door shut,literally laid down beside my,
my cruiser and just trying tocatch my breath.
And he's he.
Uh, he's still.
He's still.
I mean he's trying to tear.

(33:42):
That's when we didn't have theplastic screens, we had the wire
screens.
He's sitting there tearing myscreen out of my car, and the
first thing he did, too, when westarted fighting, was he
reached down and he broke theantenna off my radio and so I
couldn't call anybody, Icouldn't get out to anybody.
I got in my car finally caughtmy breath.
Got in my car, started downtowards London, got on my main

(34:06):
radio, called and told me I hadone while 10-15, coming in.
Sam Brock came out and met meat the old where they used to
sell trailers down there.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, Huntleys, huntleys.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Trailer he pulls in Sam constantly.
Said man, he's coming BecauseSam gets behind me.
He said man, he's tearingthrough your screen.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
He's trying to get to you, but he's coming at you.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
And we finally get him into the celly port and
literally, I mean it's just afight from there on.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It was wild, it's honestly wild, dealing with
people that are on meth, becauseyou wouldn't expect, because
they'll be scrawny, they'reemaciated but they're I mean so
strong and they don't feel pain.
Tasers don't work on them.
I mean it's.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
You remember the guy that me and you went on it said
the giant chicken would kill his, his or was in that house and
was telling kill everybody.
That guy, I don't know how.
We talked to him in the car.
He was flexed out.
And this guy, I'm telling youdylan, this guy was six, five

(35:16):
and eight and probably 400pounds of just just muscle.
I mean, he was the biggest dude.
I was like we're going, this isgoing to be a bad night.
And somehow I don't know if hewas on PCP, I don't know what he
was, but I tried to handcuffhim behind his back and he would
not move and I was like, whydon't you sit down here?
We'll go check that house.
And I was like it's polymath,but I was like it's probably

(35:41):
meth, but I was like, oh, I'lltell you, it took the whole
squad.
I think we had four out thatnight.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Special K.
It'll do that to you too.
You all dealt with that guy,you and Patrick, the guy that
y'all had a tase in the tub.
Special K was his thing.
When we get Jake on, I'll tellthat story.
It was our first adventure withthat.
You'll find out, especiallywhen you're my size.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
It's a lot easier talking in jail than it is to
beat me I don't know, but yeah,but there was a lot of fun times
too, because we were talkingabout like Keith Schoolcraft and
Greg Owens, who did anexcellent job on that the murder
that the dog was involved in.
Yeah, the dog was involved in.
Yeah, uh, I remember fourth ofjuly you'd go 10 15 visit from

(36:22):
from like june until halfwaythrough august, you'd put they
would be sitting there.
It was when the the dispatch wasin where the sheriff's
department is now you'd pulldown fourth street and they'd
wait for you got 10 15, becausethat was just a chance for them
at target practice, becausethey'd sit there and shoot
bottle rockets at you as youcome through.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
That's crazy.
Wasn't the city police there atfirst?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, that was when the dispatch was in there.
Yeah, that was when thedispatch and the PD were right
there where the sheriff'sdepartment is now and the
sheriff's office was in thecourthouse.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Courthouse, that's crazy, just seeing how Stuff's
moved around.
Yeah, was the post office.
That's where the post officeused to be.
It's crazy, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
And then you've got all the Dairy Queens that moved
around.
Yeah, that's funny.
Their banks now.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Pizza Hut.
That was the place.
I miss that stuff.
I miss our old restaurants inLondon.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I do too.
I was talking about Chinatownthe other day, chinatown.
I miss Chinatown.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
But it was fun times.
And then I came from the SO andthen from the county detention
center to the PD and I remember,of course, coming from that
environment of working in thecounty to coming to the PD.
It was like it's a cultureshock, it's a little more
structured.
It's a little bit more.
That was the first meeting withChief Holland.

(37:40):
I remember when I got hired,baker and I came in the same day
together and we walked in.
Baker went back, spoke to thechief first.
They were back there for about10, 15 minutes.
Then the chief brought me in.
He said you know, I'll neverforget.
The exact words Pretty muchwere hey, glad you're here, glad
to have you, but let me tellyou, if you police, like you did

(38:01):
in the county here, you're notgoing to be here long.
So that was it?

Speaker 5 (38:06):
I remember I was talking to the former mayor.
I was talking to Troy the otherday.
He was like me and Lodge wereriding together and he would
have been on the council backthen, I guess, when you first
started.
So Troy's riding with Lodge.
Let's go check on Derek.
I guess he was on a trafficstop.
They kind of pulled over.
He said some drunk was out.

(38:28):
I guess he was doing fieldsobriety.
This guy was hammered.
He said Derek, this guy was sodrunk he started leaning over
top of Derek.
Derek pushed him back, Tried todo some feels.
But I can't wait.
Troy said I sat there.
We sat there and laughed.
He's like should we go help him?
Nah?
Lodge was like nah, he's gotthat.
He's like he's been placingforever.

(38:49):
He knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Troy had a pretty good sense of humor when he was
out on scene.
There was a few.
There's some things that Idon't know that I'll tell some
of the comments and things thathe's made.
You know what used to be.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I remember the city council used to ride with us all
the time.
Oh, they knew too.
I remember when I was in thatpursuit where I got hit, a city
councilman kept me from gettingrun over by my own car.
Oh my gosh, yeah, he was ridingwith me during the whole
pursuit.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Is that when?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
you got ran over.
Yeah, that's when I got hit bythe car and I fell over.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I think it's a great idea.
Oh, it's good.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
They used to a lot.
I remember that City officialsto get out and kind of see what
Because Troy was, you know hewas, you know him and Bill Mays
were my teachers up at NorthHigh and they would always, you
know, we always called them likerescue rangers up there because
they would have the radios andstill listen to what was going
on.
They looked, we didn't know wewere just dumb kids, but they

(39:45):
were all about it.
I was like man, they were in,but Bill was the chaplain and
Troy was on the council.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
It's fun.
I had a traffic stop one nightand this was kind of a learning
experience for me too, becauseearly in my career at the PD and
Troy and Major Young weretogether and I was outside my
car with the person I hadstopped.
They pulled up and Major didn'tget out of his car.
Troy was still sitting in thepassenger seat.
They were like hey, come overhere and tell me what you got.

(40:20):
So I walked over and was tryingto keep an eye on my suspect
and trying to tell them what wasgoing on yeah and while I was
doing that he was gone, suspectwas gone, and of course I'm back
back then I'm.
You know I'm pretty swift too,so I take off running.
We ran all the way down towhere the done by the cinema,

(40:43):
where the woods are there by thecinema yeah yeah, and through
the woods we go, and as I'mrunning, here comes the major
and troy in their car justkeeping pace with me where you
doing bud, you need a ride.
And I remember getting to thewood line and running through
the woods after him and then,after it was over, I come back

(41:06):
and looked down and said youknow, hey, appreciate it,
appreciate all the appreciationbeing out there with me.
They're like.
They're like this is a lifelesson get in your car and chase
them.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Well, I learned just walk, walk, they'll lay down.
Yeah, not that early.
Oh yeah, you was going to chase, yeah.
Yeah, troy caught me one time.
I didn't know he was out andthere was a fire over some of
the apartment building orsomething was going on.
He was, you know, mayor.
He's going over there with thefire department to see what's
going on at this place.

(41:37):
Well, I came out tired.
It was, one of them was doublebacking or something, you know
where you work shift and thenoff and then right back, you
know.
So I was like man, I'm tiredand I didn't shave.
I was like, oh my gosh.
So I had an electric razor inthere shaving.
He pulled up.
He's like, hmm, I was like Idon't know what to do right now.

(41:58):
He's like, hey, you can finishup.
I don't know what to do rightnow.
He's like, hey, you can finishup.
I don't want you to look.
I was just like, oh my gosh,he's going to fire me.
I think he just won.
You know, just became mayor,maybe a year or two or something
.
I was like, oh my gosh, I'mdone, I'm done.
Derek comes along, he becomes.

(42:19):
When did you promote tosergeant.
I know there's probably morestories 1990.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Late 1997, early 1998 .

Speaker 5 (42:30):
I come on the scene around 2002.
Get hired, derek and I.
He's the sergeant on nightshift.
Derek doesn't talk to me, andit wasn't just me.
He doesn't talk to any rookie.
No.
I don't know why.
It wasn't that you've been, itwas just style.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
It wasn't even that.
I mean, you just Didn't know meIf I didn't have anything to
say to you.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, I didn't take it personally, that was just the
thing.
Yeah, so I knew of.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I knew of Derek before I got to the PD, but I
didn't know Derek real well.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
You didn't know him as a sergeant, Right no he was
chief, that was it.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And there was like a lot of times and they're like
yeah, but he's not.
He came off as he was alwaysbut, he was thinking about
something.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
And Travis can tell you, I never raised my voice to
anybody.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I never raised my voice.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Probably should have yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I probably should have.
That was the way, like EricWilkerson could tell you I came
in and I was never in a bad mood.
I mean well, no, I could get ina bad mood.
Yeah, I could get in a bad mood.
That persimmon face yeahpersimmon face.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I've heard that many a time that was a Doug.
He called that.
That was a Doug.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Walked in.
Derek had that persimmon faceon that was.
I walked in one night with EricWilkerson and Eric was like you
can hear.
I mean, it was just one ofthose nights and we was walking
in.
We were laughing A couple of uson third shift and second was
in in there and you know howsecond can be sometimes oh yeah.
I looked at Eric and said youwant to watch me clear the clear
.
The second shift out real quick.

(44:28):
He said, sure, walked in.
I just walked in and looked athim and then walked on back into
the sergeant's office.
I knew it.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I knew he was screwed with his.
Well, hey, you weren't thirdshift.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
You wasn't nothing shift.
No, you wasn't nothing.
Yeah, that was part of it wehad, and we'll get into that in
a second.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I mean, we keep saying it over and over again
that shift's where it's at.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
But no, because I spent a lot of time on second
shift.
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
But there was third shift, and then there's London
PD, and then there was thirdshift.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And we got accused of that.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
We got accused of that.
That was a bad day Having aclique.
Yeah, we got broke up, we gotbroke up, but anyway, so Derek's
not talked to me much.
You know we go on callstogether of course and stuff,
but I hadn't been on my ownmaybe a month, month and we get
a.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
We get a marker out in the county we was assisting
um sheriff's office and we, wewere tight, we were, we were
really tight with, uh, the guysthat worked third shift.
It wasn't just the pd, it was.
We were tight with ksp, we weretight with, so we were we would

(45:44):
, I mean we would.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
We were tight.
You know, we were extremelytight, don, and you know tommy
eddie oh my gosh dz at the timeyeah even you know, it was just
it was just one big, big happyfamily up there.
We we had a lot of fun.
We'd eat together Not all thetime, but we'd try to some.

(46:06):
We're going out to this murder.
We were getting broke intoreally hard in change like car
washes or pop machines or stufflike that.
Like car washes or pop machinesor stuff like that.
And I was up at the robochecking checking the uh, the

(46:26):
coin machines.
Well, they give that murder out.
I don't know.
I've been on them, I've been bymyself a month.
I'm like I don't know what todo right now.
You know, just standing sittingthere I see him and I and tommy
johnson jumps in the car withhim because he was out.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Tommy was off that night.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
He'd been up at dispatch but just like any night
owl, you can't sleep.
Go up there.
What's going on, whatever?
So he's heading.
They're heading up to the sceneor going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Eddie had called and we were going to back Eddie up.
We still had units in the cityand it was me, tommy, tommy's
from the SO, mikey and I toldTDOT to head that way and me and
Tommy were heading up in my carto back them up Because they
had.
As I understand, there was acouple people heading to the

(47:20):
hospital.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
I think John Wathead was out heading to eddie too was
john yeah I'm pretty sure therewere several.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I was heading up there because they didn't know
where the suspect was and we hada couple people that were
heading to the hospital.
Uh, but it was a.
It was a bad situation andhalfway up there we were up on
north 25.
We had a call.
Eddie yells at me a sizeprecess, I mean, says you know,
807.
I think that maybe one of thetwo suspects that are heading up

(47:48):
the hospital are more thepeople that are victims that are
heading up to, that may be asuspect.
Can you signal to up there andgo up there and check to see
what the situation is?

Speaker 5 (48:00):
I I'm still locked in at Robo.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Hey, I've been there.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
So I said 10-4,.
You know I'll.
I said let me, I've got a 10-12.
I think 11-44 is with me.
I told Travis I said pull over,I was already over, Let Tommy
in with you.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
I met you up at George Humphleets.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
So let Tommy in with you.
I'll meet you up at georgehumphrey humphreys.
So let tommy in with you andI'll go back and head up to the
hospital and see what's going onthere, meet the ambulances with
another unit, so tommy gets inwith him.
I start heading back to thehospital.
I'll let you take it from there.
So I didn't clear my seat.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
I have one of those.
You know those cool things.
You put all your paperwork, youknow your pastor's yeah, those
cabbies.
So Tommy's sitting in the dash.
I'm like here we go.
He said we got to turn down 30to head over that way.
I was like, okay, or PittsburghRoad or Richmond Road.
I'm like, okay, I'd know thisroad.

(48:55):
I've driven that.
I lived on School Street, eastBernstadt.
I used to go pick Ward Stokesup and drive that way to the
high school every day, every day.
So I was like, okay, I knowthis road, I know the S curve
here is coming.
I hit my brakes and it was about6 in the morning, it was summer
.
I hit that brake and we justwent faster.

(49:16):
I was like whoop, and I hitlike two trees.
I know I hit two trees.
You hit a bunch of trees.
I hit a bunch of trees.
We wrecked for about 52 minutes.
It felt like I was like I don'tknow what to do.
I'm looking over, he's lookingat me.
I'm like, and we boom, pow andI'm in the airbag, I'm burned up

(49:38):
here, airbag burns and I'mburned up here, airbag burns and
I'm like, yeah, this is like.
What is this?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I look over at Tommy.
He's like we got to get out ofhere.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
I'm like, okay, he gets out, tommy gets out, and
finally I mean he has to wedgeout.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, because he's already wedged in there.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
anyway, it was horrible I'm looking over.
I was like uh-oh, tommy'sgetting married in like two
weeks.
No, it's not, it was not thatweekend yeah, it was.
And he, he caught his glass.
He had glasses on and we hitthat airbag.
Whatever hit it cut him botheyes, like for lady.

(50:18):
He was like he's bleeding.
I was like, oh, I'm like I geton the radio, I don't even know
we've wrecked, we.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
46 I don't even know how help me, help me tom cruise.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
I still don't even know how to talk on the radio.
Really good, I'm like where youat.
This is the first time we everhad a conversation too well I'll
get to that.
So we got passerbys becauseit's almost work time and here
comes people.
I'm like Derek, where you at?
This is the first time we everhad a conversation too.
Well, I'll get to that.
So we got passerbys becauseit's almost work time and here
comes people and they're likeTommy's, like, how bad is it?
I said you're okay, you mightwant to sit down.

(50:54):
He's like no, what are youdoing?
So these passerbys come out.
You guys okay.
We're like, oh my god, shelooks over.
They look over like, oh my gosh, buddy, you need to sit down.
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (51:06):
well, derrick's there here's what I'm going.
I'm heading up the hospital.
I hear travis, I'm 46 down, Ihave 46, I have 46 times.
Yeah, I was turning aroundcoming back to him and I come
through there and I have.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I didn't know what 46 down was until that day.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
He learned quick.
So I come back to him and hecomes up to me.
This is the first words I'mfired.
Yeah, I'm fired.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I remember I'm fired.
I'm like no, you're fine,You're fine.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
That's the first thing Derek gets to say to me.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
They make these cars every day.
As long as you're okay, that'sall that matters.
They make these cars every dayand Tommy comes walking around
and Tommy and I are closefriends I mean, we were close
friends back in the day like asclose as you can be yeah, as far
as buddies go, I know who he'smarrying.
Yeah, you, I know who he'smarrying at this point.

(52:01):
We've been out on social eventswith him and the woman he's
married to and Tommy walks upand all I see is blood all the
way down his face.
Tommy walks up to me and goeshow bad is it?
I'm like, oh, it's not bad.
I get off my car, like whydon't you just sit down?

(52:22):
And Tommy turns around andthrows up, throws up so he rides
an ambulance and I get him tosit back down.
We get an ambulance to him, sowe go up to the hospital.
Now picture this Victim,suspect Police officer, police

(52:42):
officer, and we're sitting thereAll in the beds.
Every bed in the ER field wassomebody and I'm sitting there
going.
You know well, this is going tobe okay.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
Hey, that's the first time I met, really talked to
the lodge, first time I'd evermet, and really talked to Gene
Holland, the sheriff.
I was like, you're okay, I'myeah, sheriff.
I was like so I'm coming here,you okay, I'm fired.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I'm fired, I'm on probation, I'm fine, I've done a
lot of bad things alreadyanyway, so I kept telling Travis
it's going to be okay, we haveto end up being the person that
actually did commit the offensein there so we got them under in
custody, yeah we did, we gotthe suspect, the victim, two
police officers.
I got a new car.

(53:25):
What I remember more thananything is the woman that tommy
was going to marry at the time.
She stood all about five feettall and I remember her heels
clicking down.
I didn't tell you down the erkim kim yeah, clicking, click,
click, click, click, click,click, click, click, click,

(53:46):
click.
You have to go in and check ontommy.
She comes straight to me, sheputs her finger in my face.
She said I'll have you know ifhe scarred up and kept me in
this way.
I'm coming after you, yeah Icould see I was scared, then I
was like oh my gosh, fire meplease.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
She's gonna kill me, she, I, she.
She came up to the hospitallater than everybody you know,
because she put on the full, shegot dressed for this.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I was like, oh my gosh, she was mad though she
came out to me and she, she toldme, she said if he cannot be in
this wedding, I'm coming afteryou.
And I'm like Kim, I didn't doanything, I wasn't even the one
driving.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
That guy.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I got lucky.
I never wrecked you ain'tpleased until you wrecked.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
How many wrecks have you been in?
Oh my gosh, somebody told me toask you about a wreck or
something, maybe on a song, Idon't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
The worst thing.
Oh yeah, greg Ables, it mayhave been Greg, yeah yeah yeah,
it wasn't bad, but you know it'sbad when you wreck with the
preacher.
The preacher's going to be aguest.
I've already got it set.
When the chaplain for thepolice department is with you
and you we were.
It was just, we were justpatrolling.

(55:07):
We were going around, uh, theold dairy dart, and as we go
around I've got my spotlight on,you know, making sure nobody's
doing my job, making surenobody's broken into anything,
and, as you know, the bigconcrete barrier that's in the
very edge on the southern side.
I was going around I'm like Ithink that window's been broken
out.
I was like greg, is that?

(55:28):
Is that window broken out?
He's like I don't know back upand we'll see.
So I backed up grace andlooking, I don't think it is, I
think everything's okay.
I was like, oh, okay, so I justdrop it into drive, start
pulling forward, take the entireleft side of my cruiser from
the quarter panel back, justpeel it back.
And then we just stuck there.

(55:48):
I mean it hit hard and I'm likeoh, and it's the awfulest sound
in the world.
I'm like greg goes.
How bad is it?
I said I don't know, get outand check.
Greg gets out, runs around theside.
I said how bad is it?
He goes looks pretty bad.
I said did we?
Did we do any damage to it?
He said what the concrete?

Speaker 5 (56:08):
he said no, there's no damage I think stewart said
ask you about another wreck orsomething I don't know.
You must have wreckedeverywhere.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
No, I didn't wreck everywhere, but when I did,
they're memorable.
It was usually without causeand really pretty good.
I know the pursuit.
I had a pursuit with GeorgeHacker, a city councilman with
me, started down by the ShellStation.

(56:46):
That used to be the ShellStation, it's Texas Roadhouse
now.
We started doing it with it andI remember George saying, oh,
as soon as we pulled behind theguy, he's like oh, we're in
pursuit.
And sure enough, pursuit acrossto what is it?
Parker Road, where the hospitalis now it's an open field into

(57:07):
that field.
Oh my gosh, sitting there doingdonuts in the field and finally
hit head on with my cruiser.
Well, I jumped out.
I'm thinking okay, we're, youknow it's over.
It's over, yeah.
So I go running down thepassenger side because I could
see in the car I know there'stwo passengers and we all drive
in a passenger.
I get right to the passengerside and I realize something His

(57:35):
car is not done because hestarts backing up as I'm running
beside.
But at that point I'm committed.
You know, okay, you're in, I'mbeside, but at that point I'm
committed.
You know, I'm all in at thatpoint.
So he's there and he starts togo at an angle.
So I start going at an anglebecause I figure, you know, like
I said, I'm committed, and hejust spins the car so like this

(57:56):
way, yeah, and right at thedriver's door, where the driver
door in the front quarter panelhits, just past ads about where
I hit my gosh.
So I go flying over that side,so what they tell me, I don't
remember a lot of it, but I goflying over that side in this
field and land and when I doland I remember landing and

(58:17):
looking up and I am at thedriver's side, front headlight,
yeah, and as I look up and seethe headlight, I'm like it's not
a good place to be and the carstarts going away from me.
I mean, it starts goingbackwards again.
So I'm like, well, that's, youknow, that's a good thing, it's
not coming for me.

(58:37):
But then, as I turn to mycruisers are coming at me.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Seems I forgot to put it in park.
Luckily, George Haggard, thecouncilman, is driving my car
around me.
Oh, my gosh, he literally drivesmy car around me, which is I.
Come back up.
My driver's door is right.
At that point I'm like I'mstill in pursuit.
I jump back up, get in my car,pursue the vehicle on down in

(59:06):
the field.
That's hilarious, that'sawesome.
Jump out.
He parked it.
I don't know if it hitsomething or if he had just got
out and stuck off running.
I put it in park this time.
Jump out, run, grab thepassenger out of the passenger
compartment, place the handcuffson the passenger and I turn to

(59:30):
run after the driver because Ithrew her back towards George.
And that's when I found outsomething Adrenaline is a
magnificent drug.
Yes, when it goes away outsomething, adrenaline is a
magnificent drug.
Yes, because that's when Ifound out that I broke my left
leg about four inches above myankle.

(59:51):
Oh gosh, because and it didn'thurt, um, it just it wouldn't
hold my weight anymore and Iremember falling, you know I
couldn't figure out why Icouldn't get back up.
And then I remember EddieSizemore coming over top of me
and yelling officer down and Ilooked up at Eddie and I was
like who's hurt?
His exact words were you.

(01:00:16):
Are you stupid, son of a bitch?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
that's awesome oh my gosh so yeah, yeah, I don't know
if you ever got wind of this.
It was, uh, it was back whenthe 19th hole was hopping.
That place was a thorn in ourside and I I think you just gave
roby abc I think'd done thatwas doing those details with the
walkthroughs and everything.

(01:00:43):
So me and one of the otherofficers he's still working, so
I won't name him, but we wasdoing our little secret squirrel
thing.
You all were calling them outto us and we was catching them
there at stop sign before theycould get out on the road and
running DUIs and stuff.
Well, I backed in there and Ithought I was being all sneaky
and this is probably the worst.

(01:01:04):
I don't know if you'd even callit a wreck that I had, but it
was during the winter.
So I backed in that backparking lot behind the speedy
mark and they're right beforeconley road and, uh, I was in
that crown vic.
Well, it was running, so it'sstill heating up.
Well, I had backed over thebiggest freaking pothole I've
ever seen in my life and theycalled one out and I was like,

(01:01:28):
all right, I've got this one,this is going to be a good one.
And I got to throw it and drive, and it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
If you wasn't wrecking one, you wasn't trying,
you wasn't working.
The biggest thing for me isletting the guys, the Travis
Hurley wreck.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Was you there?
He went over to.
That's Jordan, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Jordan's the one that backed into the culvert.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Or was it Travis Hurley wrecking over there off
Maple?
Those apartments over there byLondon Elementary Went off the
thing.
It was a fight going on.
He comes around the corner andhe puts it off oh, he puts it
over the wall.
He put it out of the wall, ohgod.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Somebody's like that's a kool-aid, like, oh yeah
I tell you I'll tell youanother story I'd like to see a
video of.
Is him putting that car fireout?
Who?

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Travis, I don't know you hadn't heard that one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
So they had a car fire.
It was on the interstate orsomething and I'd only heard it
secondhand.
So I said he got his fireextinguisher out of the trunk
and ran over there and trippedand it was just rolling.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
He's got some good ones.
Me and Derek worked a lot ofnight shift together.
Now we got to I don't knowwhere he got this term, but he
was the charm.
You were the talent.
The night shift, yeah, we werethe talent which we got in some.
I mean, we handled business, wedid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
That was the good part and I think that and I
tried to I went up through theranks and let the guys, as much
as you could let you know, runthe shifts.
You know I'm my job is to makesure you got, especially when I
made chiefs.
My job is to let you guyshandle your shifts and make sure
you had what you had when I wason the street and sergeant.

(01:03:26):
I really liked being a sergeant.
I think that that was probablymy well senior patrolman and
sergeant were probably the twobest jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I would say senior patrolman is probably.
It's pretty solid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I'll say that that's the best position to have a
senior patrolman.
Just the money wasn't as goodas not as good.
No, we're near, but uh.
Yeah, that was uh.
But when we would get out andit on third shift, we thought we
were, we were pretty special.
I have to say.
We got into some, some issuesthat it literally for a time

(01:03:55):
period there it got to where Iwould just pull in the back lot,
go ahead and get out and andstart a use of force form.
I wouldn't even fill in theblanks, I just knew it was going
to happen, because I mean itwas just a nonstop fight in some
places.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
And it wasn't like we was.
It was just happening and wewere ready to regulate.
We really kept London.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, we had an 80% drop.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, our crime rate went way down and if you've got
a proactive squad, proactivethat is trying to get into stuff
and trying to be proactive andprevent crime, and think you're
gonna get into.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah, derek, derek's big thing.
You know we wore them campaignhats out, you know, when we got
on the call, so we get out ofthere.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
You think that would be something minor, but
literally yeah, they knew whenwe pulled in boom.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
We were there, we were, we handle business, what?
so we get out one time economyin something and I'm not no, it
wasn't your fault we there's abad domestic going on, yeah, and
we go to the front desk, we'retrying to figure out what room
and try to get a key we figuredout, because we hear screaming

(01:05:04):
and carrying on and whatever,and people are like to help
these people, help this woman orwhatever.
So these doors are real littleand when they're, you know, we
had, we had really good reasonsto be in there.
We, we had an emergency to getin there.
I shouldered this door orwhatever, and my campaign hat

(01:05:25):
flew straight up like a BarneyFive flicking.
It was straight sitting on theback of my head.
Now that door came open, itbuzzed.
I didn't expect it to it kind ofhit the bill in my hat and I'm
like hmm, and I've got one handon my gun with my hat sticking
straight up, fighting your waythrough the cockroaches with the

(01:05:46):
oven.
But I've got one hand on the gun, I've got it pulled out.
I've got my campaign hat onback.
I've got it pushing the doorback open.
Derek comes behind me.
We sent Eric Wilkerson aroundback and he's still mad at me
about this.
The windows are like fourinches, so we go in and I'm like
where's?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
he at where's he?

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
at.
You know she's laying in thebed with the covers over him.
There's only one place.
You know she's not under thebed with the covers over her
head.
There's only one place.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
She's not under the cover she's not under the bed or
he's not under the bed.
Yeah, he's got to be in thebathroom.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
He's got to be in the bathroom, right.
So Derek goes to the bathroomand he's like get out of here,
come on, he has rabbit, he'sready to run.
I'm like I'm still standing bythe door, I've still got a gun
out.
I'm like, so Derek's like, stop, come here.

(01:06:48):
I pull back to pull pepperspray out.
He's going less lethal.
I've still got a gun on.
We don't know, he walks.
He walks at me and I caughtthis guy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
He did.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
I'm still trying to get my pepper sprout travis just
the perfect open hand never allthe other time has ever used
was in the academy on thosedummies and then weber coming
around and smacking you just tomake your eyes only time, the
only time I've ever seen it usedand it was just perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
And this guy just ragdolls.
I mean, he just goes to theground, I mean open-handed, just
and he timber boom.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
I was like, oh, I look at that, I'm like I killed
him.
I said, what do they call themthe?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
only words out of my mouth was.
You just made me look like abitch.
I'm like what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
I mean this guy he's down there having like he's like
season looking.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm goingto prison again.
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
I caught him.
It was the right move at theright time.
He was coming either at me orget my gun, or he's going to run
.
I just caught him.
Slick, he's down, he's like youknocked me the F out.
He's like you've knocked me out,you've knocked me the F out.
I was like Derek's like, cuffhim.

(01:08:16):
I was like, oh yeah, did weneed an ambulance?
No, he's alright, it's like allright.
Did we need an ambulance?
No, he's all right, let's goGet him to jail.
But that was just one of the.
That's funny.
I mean, that's just the way itwas.
We couldn't help it, it wasjust we handled business.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
And that's why, when we'd walk in and we'd have
somebody that'd square up, I'dlook at them and say you know,
listen, I'm the charm, they'rethe talent.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
You'd much rather deal with the charm than the
talent.
Yep, he was, because we'd besitting there like pit bulls,
ready to go and all he had to dowas say sick them and it was on
.
It was fun.
We also had some other momentsthat I don't know where you're
at and where you want to talkabout, but we had some spirits
one time yeah, more than once.
We have to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
We've referenced that too many times and not
mentioned that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
Well, I always say once I had you on here, we'd
talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
But I'm not a person that, but now we've seen more
than one thing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
We want to protect these properties, so we won't
ever say where and who.
We want to protect theseproperties, so we won't ever say
where and who.
However, there was this placethat was notorious to have you
know, and the property owners orthe business owners would tell
us like we've had.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
There's some stuff going on here and I was never
I've never been one that's beenlike, oh, you know,
superstitious yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
I'm, on the other hand, a chicken, because we'd
listen to Coast to Coast all thetime and that would make you a
little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
The only time that I've ever I've heard you guys,
I've listened to you all showand I've heard you all talk
about 2 and Up and yeah, we, theonly time we ever we were ever
really the demon.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
I still don't like that.
You know, I tried to find thaton the old they got like a
podcast.
You can go back and listen toold stuff.
I'm like I'm not listening.
I don't even want to find that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
There was one night and we would drive around
because you don't have nothingto do and you can get tired of
listening to the same music overand over.
So we'd listen to that stuffand we'd be like, oh, did you
hear that?
Did you hear that one?
Yeah, we'd joke around aboutnow that one night that they did
play supposedly we played likean exorcism that they were
doing- it was always onHalloween when they did it, oh
yeah so that night I was likehey T-Dot, you know you listen

(01:10:36):
yeah.
I'm like that ain't right man.
No, he's like no, I was likethe usual.
He's like yeah, yeah, so we dodive at Walmart under the lights
Somewhere well populated.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Yeah, deck had two.
You know his places were likethe Rita Lot, you know, by
Weaver's or Walmart, if wescared or just meet in the back
lot or something.
But this one time there wasthis notorious place that we all
knew, gaylor, josh Gaylor.
All of us kind of were worriedabout this place and we were

(01:11:16):
told some stories about it.
It was what it was, we knew it.
And you didn't go up there byyourself.
Gary gets up.
He's like you made me go upthere by myself.
I was like I'm not going by.
If you beat me up there and youwant to go by yourself, go, but
I'll stay down here at thebottom of the hill or whatever.
So we check it and we two upand talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
The thing with it is, and did you know if they know
what the it's, the lights wasthe biggest part I've not talked
about it so that particularnight we checked the alarm went
off all the time, and so Derekand I checked it, we clear it,
we're getting ready to leave,but as we're going around it, as

(01:11:59):
we're going around checking it,the lights would go off like
the outside lights, but it's notlike motion activated, because
it wouldn't be where you were.
It would be on the oppositeside, it wouldn't be, and I
wasn't going to, we stayedtogether.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
Yeah, we wouldn't.
There was no way I was going toleave the side.
Watched too much Scooby-Doo todo that.
The talent was not leaving thecharm on this one.
So we get back in the cruisersand, for whatever reason I don't
know if it's you or me I waslike I don't know about this
place.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
You've got to see the way we were parked, though,
because I'm pointed down thehill, like heading down to the
main roadway, and I'm opposite,and the opposite.
He like hanging down to themain roadway and I'm opposite
and the opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
He's pointed back up the hill towards a back Like a
garage or carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, that's away from the building, and it was
you, because we were sittingthere talking.
I don't know why I would saythis we were sitting there
talking about you know all thetimes we've been there and how
you know the cleaning people saythis I've never seen that, I've
never heard that.
But all the lights, how thelights.
When you go around the building, it's like the lights follow

(01:13:09):
you, but they're either in frontof you or behind you.
They're never where they'regoing off or they should be
going off.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
T-Dot makes this famous sound.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
I say if you're out there, if you're here, if you're
real, show yourself.
I still can't hardly say itwithout getting scared.
Different thing lights.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Every light in the place Comes on, Comes on, Boom.
Well, too bad.
I say it as soon as he.
I mean no, not a second later.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
As soon as he said it , I get chills just thinking
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Every light in the place comes on, and when it does
, I drop my car into drive andshoot straight down the hill.
I'm stuck.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
I mean I'm stuck on top of the hill that is gone.
When I see his taillights he'slike a railroad tracksuit.
He's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
He is out of there.
Yeah, I was gone.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
I came off that hill.
I came off that hill sideways,but what you didn't see, because
you left so fast is they alsostarted blinking yeah no, I saw
it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I saw the thing for blinking.
They were blinking before I gotdown off the hill.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
I don't know why I didn't hit my dash cams on that
one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
I just hope it didn't follow you home.
No, I saw it.
They came on and they startedblinking, not like on and off In
different places.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
They all came on and then they started going around
it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
And I was gone.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Hand to the Bible, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I'm out on that one that one.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
We saw the other stuff.
Some know some other coolplaces.
That the smoke, the smoke.
You know the Closed up chimney.
Yeah, Smoke would be bellowingout of it like it was burning
firewood in there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And it was cemented in.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Yeah, Told by the owners, you know the people that
worked there.
I don't know, and it was youknow, just crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
It had this glass that place, wasn't there rumor
that it was like an?
Old.
Civil War hospital or something.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
There's rumor, but I know that they had this
double-paned.
It looked like his face, thisweird-looking thing.
You know, when you see smokeand you see this face, you're
like, oh there it is, but it wasthere in the daytime too.
It's just your imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
And you see, I guess the moisture in the air at night
kind of collects to it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
But I know, one time I was going up to the back I had
a ramp I was checking becausethe alarms would go off a lot.
I reached out to turn that doorhandle, to check it and it
clicked in front of me.
I was like we're safe, it'sgood.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I'm out, I was like I've I've seen the smoke, the
lights were would definitely Imean yeah that that that place
didn't scare me as bad as thelights yeah, the lights were
definitely they.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
It was definitely something that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
So the cleaning crew there said they heard voices all
the time they wouldn't cleanpast eight o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
They would like they would come in when they were
closing up shop and they wereout there by six o'clock, by
dark.
Wow so, and we would.
We were good cops.
We'd go up there and check thatalarm.
We were crazy.
It was fun.
Though then one time we gotinto it looking for it.
So we go up to a place I won't,we'll cut that out.

(01:16:31):
We go up to a place We'll cutthat out.
We go up to a notorious placeand we're sitting there under a
front porch and daggone.
If a thousand pigeons didn'tfly out on us and scare me to
death, I was like, oh, I'm goingto run out of here.
I don't think that's the mostdangerous thing.
Oh my gosh.

(01:16:51):
It was the funniest thing,though we were so silly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
You guys were on third shift.
I mean you know how you just.
I mean, it just seemed like thestrangest things happened on
third shift.
It was, I mean it would justfind you or it would be
completely dead.
I mean, I remember, like thirdshift, what did you all do when
you were on third shift and itwas boring, or it was snowy,

(01:17:18):
snowy do when you're on thirdshift and it was boring or it's
snowy, snowy.
So I watch movies probably.
Yeah, go out to the pd.
Yeah, just go see it somewhereand let yeah see.
That's what I remember.
Um, this was back when it wasme.
Eddie tommy, daryl zanet.
Uh, our crew would be gosh.
It could have been anybody.
Uh, probably john whiteheadgoob.
Gary alan harris, travis t dog.
You Probably.
John Whitehead Goob.

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Gary Alan Harris, travis T-Dog.
Travis Hurley, maybe T-Dog.
Early Eric when it snowed, we'dgo down to the SO and play Rook
Play.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Rook.
We didn't have the luxury, wedidn't really have that
relationship that you all haduntil later with the sheriff's
department and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
now sometimes we would go up to dispatch and play
rook I remember, uh, johnwright, uh, coming in one day on
second shift and they must havegot caught in dispatch playing.
I know they got caught, yeah,dispatch, dispatch plane.
And this is when, like I said,I was a sergeant, john Wright
was a lieutenant, and I rememberwalking in and John and Major

(01:18:21):
Young being in the back as soonas I walked in you know the rule
at the PD, don't lie.
And I walked in the back andMajor Young said as soon as I
walked in, I mean, didn't evenget past the door, hadn't even

(01:18:41):
shut behind me.
Major Young hit.
Said as soon as I walked in, Imean, didn't even get past the
door, hadn't even shut behind me.
Major young hit me as soon as Iwalked in.
And you ever played rook anddispatch.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
So yes, sir, and it caught him off guard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yeah, usually you were good as long as you didn't.
So well, don't do it anymore.
So, yes, yes, sir, john Rottennever looked up, because my last
part was John.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Rotten.
John was good, john kicked me.
I was like John, you're goingto see something in this video
in about three minutes, if youdon't care, just to turn that
off.
Okay, I turn that off.
Okay, take care of me, bob.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
you took my new job was sitting there, boy next, as
I got that question, I know he'sjust sitting there waiting.
Where were you?
I could see it, man, we had aball.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
we had so much good times.
The dragging, yeah.
So you know we've not reallydiscussed it a whole lot.
No, we've mentioned it.
So I'll tell rookies somehowend up dragging some dead
carcass.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
I don't know where it became a tradition but it did,
it was there when I was a rookie.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
And disclaimer here.
All these animals were deceased.
Yeah, nobody, ever, nobody everwent out and killed something,
but I know that they werelooking for something for a
while for me to drag.
Before I got shipped this firstshift on my training, I was
with an officer.
So they find one and throw thatthing underneath my cruiser and

(01:20:18):
I come out and say I'm like,golly, what in the world is
stinking?
Oh, somebody hit somethingsomewhere, goob, or somebody
jumps in with me.
He's like let's drive up here.
I'm like, okay, well, I need todrive by my house, right, quick
.
Well, we need to go over here.
I'm like, okay, well, I need todrive by my house, right quick,
well, we need to go over here.
I was like, well, okay, so wedrive down the streets, we need

(01:20:39):
to go to Walmart, somebody's upthere.
I drive through Walmart, peoplestarted pointing.
I was like, what is going on?
What is going on?
And why is that other officerfollowing me?
What is going on here?
Because you know I'm like so,ha-ha, travis, t-dots drugs, you

(01:20:59):
know big whoop-de-hoo.
So we go, and you know I had todispose of it.
So we throw it out somewhereand get rid of it the next day,
though, within a week, the nextday.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Oh, was it you that ended up getting the letter.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
Well, I don't know where it came from.
Some people say it's PETA.
I don't know.
It was just somebody complained.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Somebody at Walmart, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Yeah, that's what I heard.
So they called in andcomplained of you know, wanting
to know if we killed the poorpossum.
And if we killed the poorpossum, Is that how we, you know
it was a tradition Is that whatwe have to do with our lives.
Yeah, there was people that.
So I was the last person todrag anything.

(01:21:45):
It was the end of the tradition.
That was my bad.
Sorry, I hate that, but it wasfunny.
Oh yeah, there was people thatgot in trouble and talked bad
too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
But it was what it was.
I take the blame for thatBecause Major Young had this.
They knew like if they let mego home and sleep for about two
hours, three hours, then theycould call me and I'd be.
So I mean, I used to change mylong distance phone company.
My wife used to get so upsetbecause I'd change the long
distance.
Don't get me like three times,huh yeah.
So yeah, that was that waspartly my fault because I'd

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owned up to it, woke you up.
Yeah, that was a, that was herethey called us uh, and I
remember because I woke up realquick when I got there.
There's a video.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Yeah, so they bring me in.
You know, matri Young brings mein and he was like, you know,
when I was applying he kind ofbrought you in.
He's like here's what you needto do and here's what we believe
in, here's our philosophy.
He's kind of the like youdidn't talk to Lodge on that
stuff.
He's kind of prepped you forKind of your onboarding, yeah.

(01:23:00):
So he's like he was notoriousfor drawing.
You knew how bad you were introuble just by the way you drew
he did like do of I don't know,just squares and circles, and I
was told that about him, thisguy's got a masterpiece going on
over there, a Picasso.
If you will, I was like I amgoing home today.

(01:23:23):
I don't know how many times Ithought I was fired.
I was like, hey, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
It turns out, it's pretty hard to get fired.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
So I'm like man, I've had it.
So how did that make you feelwhen them guys did that to you,
made you drag that possum?
I was like sir, I don'tunderstand what you mean.
He's a Marine and I'm a Marine,but he's an officer, he's a
major.
I'm like sir, I'm at positionof attention and he's like no,

(01:23:55):
sit down, he's due.
I mean he's drawn.
I'm like what are you asking?
How did that make you feel,patrolman, when you were
dragging that possum?
I was like, well, it made mefeel like I finally arrived,
that I'm part of the team.

(01:24:16):
Now, what Are you serious?
Now come to find out.
I'm sure Jim has drugged ortied mini-apossum or raccoon to
somebody's, you know.
But you know it was a big, youknow there was a complaint, so
he's had to do his due diligence.
It was funny, though I was likeI feel like I'm part of the team

(01:24:37):
now, sir, are you serious?
I was like, yes, sir, I did Imean that was?
Like a rite of passage.
Oh yeah, I'm going to tell yousomething.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
We, literally, you know, I felt bad because, like I
said, they called me and waslike did somebody let her drag
last night?
I was like yeah, they were likewow, were you there?
I was like no, I was on adomestic, I didn't get to see it
.
Oh no, I was on a domestic, Ididn't get to see it.

(01:25:19):
Oh, there's a video.
Oh, is there not supposed to be?
Uh, no, no, it ended up whoops.
It ended up me and uh, me andthe two other officers that were
, uh, on duty that night withthe other.
We went to them like, listen,you can suspend us, you know,
send us home, just don't takethis guy's traps away luckily
they didn't they.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
He was my.
He was my training officer forthe night.
Because I would have been thereif I hadn't been on a team man,
me and Derek got in thecraziest call and I know we're
going to have Josh on soon, so Idon't want to, but, man, I
don't know if we should tell itor wait for Josh, because it is
one of the crazy blind date.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Oh gosh, yeah, let Josh.
We'll save that for Josh, letJosh.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
That was one of the funniest moments, but that was
one of the.
It came in.
It was, like you know, afterthere was pepper sprayed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
You know get them out of here now.
I didn't even get that out.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
I was like, yeah, he's like I'm joking in here.
What has happened?
Oh, that was a wild night, butI'll tell that one with Josh.
So it was.
It was classic.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
What else you got Probably should we talk about,
should we tell the actual storyabout when they did separate us,
when we did get divorced?

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
We were to divorce.
It wasn't our choosing Onenight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
The talent could no longer be with the charm.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
The charm lost all of his charm man.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Me and Eric Wilkerson were working that night.
It was just the three of usthat night, just three of us and
the major comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
You knew that something was up because you
know we would come in early.
I mean, we were ate up with iteven at that time.
We'd come in early and hang outwith second shift for a little
bit, and, you know, hang out,and there was usually usually
there was four of us on and soon.
Yeah, so we'd come in and hangout and then hit the street.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Yeah, we were either giving second shift a hard time.
Yeah, out of good nature We'dwait until the first shift get
there and tell them how bad theywere.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
We had nicknames for the shifts the biscuit bitches.
That was first.
They were.
Well they did.
They went and got everybody'sbiscuits for them.
All the command staff went andhad their biscuits and a cup of
ice.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
They were bitches we called them that, and we did it
good naturedly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
I mean, we called them that.
I think they finally must havegot to the.
Yeah, I think they finally hadenough of being called that.
So we come 10-8.
We're out there hanging outwith second shift and all of a
sudden we hear 8-0-2 come 10-8.
And I'm like what?
That's odd.
That guy never goes 10-8.
That's odd.
I wonder what he's coming outfor.
You know what?
8-0-2 is coming out to hang outwith us guys.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
This is good.
He wants to see what?
Yeah, he wants to.
You won't see the action.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
You won't see part of this.
So he comes in.
We're all sitting there, heymate Hangs out with us for a
little bit and he comes in andfinally everybody's starting to
get ready to hit the street.
He walks up and goes, looks atme and says I need to see you in
my office.
I'm like hmm, you know, this ispositive, this is probably a

(01:28:31):
positive thing.
Yeah, this is positive, this isprobably a positive thing.
So we go to his office, sitdown.
He goes, never forget.
I want to know what you thinkI'm like you.
No, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
That's a very dangerous question.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
He said I want to know what you think I said about
what he said just in general.
What you think I'm like.
No, sir, you do not want toknow what you think I said about
what he said, just in general.
What you think I'm like.
No, sir, you do not want toknow what I think?
No, he's like yeah, go ahead.
He said I want to know what youthink.
So for 15 minutes I told himwhat I thought.
And for four hours.
He told me how wrong I was.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
I got scared.
Me and Eric would call eachother Back in the next two days.
I'd be like is Derek out yet?
Nope, no radio traffic.
We probably were like 807-U10-4or whatever Crickets man.
So we'd go sneaking up thereLooking down the hallway or
something, go to the Pop machine, go up to dispatch that.

(01:29:37):
That office door still shut forfour hours and 15 minutes and
me and ariza.
What's going on?
You know we two up what iswrong and then, well, then it
comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
You talked about the major drawings.
There was two that I could kindof break the code, yeah, and
the two that I kind of broke washe would make the
four-dimensional boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Well, if you made the four-dimensional boxes, you
were okay.
You probably messed up.
See, that's what he was doingwith the dragon, yeah, but now
he had this four-dimensionalstarburst that he would draw.
If you drew that one, you wereweak.
Yeah, he knew what you did andhe knew you were weak.

(01:30:33):
Yeah, he knew what you did andhe knew how you did it.
Yeah, and there was a situationgoing to happen.
Yeah, what if he starts?

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
drawing mazes or something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
But when he started making those four-dimensional
starbursts and he startedfilling them in was bad.
It was bad.
Well, this was thefour-dimensional starburst with
the boxes, the shaded beingshaded in.
So I sat there for four hours,15 minutes or so and, uh, never
forget his last words while hewas, because I was just sitting
there watching.
I'm sitting there for fourhours watching him, listening to

(01:31:09):
him and watching him fill inthese box, these starbursts.
So at that I'm like you know wecould have a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
His last words were you and your guys think you're
special.
I'm going to prove you wrong.
And he did.
He did.
You went to first or second?
No, I went to second, I wassenior road sergeant I went to
second shift with like Tuesdaysergeant I went to second shift
with Tuesday, wednesday off.
I became a biscuit bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
The worst RDO.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
I became a biscuit bitch.
I think Eric, out of everybody,because you have extra guys on
too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
I think Eric was the only one that stayed on third
shift.
I think ultimately it was good.
I that stayed on the thirdshift.
So, yeah, I think ultimately itwas good.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Yeah, I needed to go to the third shift.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Yeah, we were probably getting a little bit
out of control.
I mean, we were probablygetting full of ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I mean, but at the same time I mean, you know, the
results were incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
What did?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
you hurt other than the biscuit bitches' feelings.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Apparently we hurt the major and Lodges and
everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
But you know it was good, because at that point I'd
been on second and thirds forprobably 18 years.
Oh yeah, it was probably timefor a change, yeah second and
third shift was probably about18 years total, but he did kill
it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
He promoted all the way up and was chief for what?
Five years, Mm-hmm, he took itand ran with it.
The man.
We had a good time, so it wasfun.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
It was a good time.
We had some fun.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Yeah, it was a good time.
We had some fun.
I wish you could have workedwith him as the sergeant.
I didn't too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I know you're young and it's just different, and
that's what I said I was givinghim a hard time at first, but
working under Derek as chief wasenjoyable.
I mean, I didn't know what inthe hell I was doing.
But I enjoyed doing it, youknow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Well, the big thing was, as long as you guys were
doing your job and that was theway it kind of was on third
shift, your job, and secondshift, especially, as long as
you know the guys, I wouldanswer probably more calls than
most of our officers would onthe daily and that was the whole
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
If you could meet me at the radio, yeah, and I still
remember the dude's last namewas Burns and you've probably
arrested him a million times,but the very first guy I ever
arrested was Derek, on a callwith me.
It was over at Wildwood orsomething, I think.
But yeah, and that warrant thathe got arrested for, he never

(01:33:55):
did go back and get it done.
It followed me.
I've done so many case reviewsover that warrant.
I finally got to get rid of it,but I still remember that we
were notorious.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
We were at that time for that short window I'm not
talking, it was a couple years.
It was when we had that chipand we were doing what we was
doing, but that was.
We was talking about theflip-flop fight.
When I was going up there thatguy was like I know you and
Derek House came to.
That was just what it was.

(01:34:28):
And now here I am fighting himagain.
It was just the time Meth wascrazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
That's when the pills , the oxys, were hitting it was
just a different time, even whenI was a rookie.
I remember my first when thecup was coming out.
You remember the things that'skind of funny and enjoyable.
That's what I told my wife.
I told a lot of people.
I think I've been hit in thehead once too often because I

(01:34:57):
don't remember really any of theawful stuff that people seem to
remember.
I remember the comical stuffthat has a little bit of tragedy
to it.
I remember Kenny Jones, kr.
I love KR to death.
I was a patrolman coming out andgoing to one of my first
domestics, you know, and Iremember we get there on Tobacco

(01:35:21):
Road, one of those littleshotgun shacks that are on the
side of the road on Tobacco Road, going me, kenny, and another
officer who was a sergeant toothey were both sergeants and
walking in the front door.
The guy going she's in herehere, she's in here was walking
through and literally turningleft into a bedroom and as soon
as we turned left in the bedroom, here's the lady is on her bed.

(01:35:42):
You know, almost as close asyou and I are together uh, not,
maybe three or four feet awayand she levels a shotgun.
Oh, me, kenny, the otherofficer and the guy that's, and
I remember of course you don'teven have time to get your gun
out.
So me and Kenny justimmediately hit her.

(01:36:03):
I mean we just attacked her onher bed, oh my gosh.
And we looked back as we'retackling her.
I remember looking back aswe're going down and Kenny was
cussing I'm figuring he'scussing her.
Well, no, it was.
The other officer had ran outof the house on us as we were
going down.
I remember cuffing her andgetting her cuffed and getting

(01:36:26):
the shotgun pulled away from her, getting her out.
I remember Kenny justimmediately going get her and I
got her her and he takes off manwe gotta get kate I mean, you
know that's the.
I mean, you know it's, it'sfunny.
Now, at the time, of course itwasn't as funny, but now you

(01:36:49):
know, you look back and it'slike that's, that's the stuff I
remember.
I remember the more comicalside of it, and maybe somebody
else thinks that's not funny atall, but for me that's just no,
that's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Because that's something you don't often see,
Because we were all.
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
My mom listens to these.
Sorry Mom for some of this, butshe's like if I would have
known this was happening, Iwould have never let you win.
How about?
Mom, I was 26 years old.
I don't care, I'm still yourmom, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Well, mom and dad, they would listen to scanners
all the time.
Stephanie and I, of course, Imet being a police officer, her
working through the courtsystems.
She knew some of the stuff thatwent on.
But when I went home and I'lladmit, even as chief, when I
went home, and you know, I'lladmit, you know, even as chief,
when I went home, my radio wentoff because it would literally

(01:37:39):
drive me nuts every time I heard.
And that was when I got out,when I, when I left the police
department, uh, the weight.
You know you always worry aboutthe guys that are still there
because they're your friends andyou love these people.
But I remember the entire timeI was assistant chief and chief,

(01:38:02):
it didn't matter where I was.
Every time I heard a siren, youknow, sound off, I was like I
wonder what's happening, Iwonder if everybody's okay, and
I think that's happening, Iwonder if everybody's okay,
right, and I think that's thewhole time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, you don't miss the stress of it, but you do
miss.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
You worry, you worry about your brothers, you worry
about your sisters, yeah, andit's.
I mean until you and you don'treally even I never realized
that I even had that pressure.
I mean, in the nine years I wason either deputy chief or chief
, um, I took two full weeks ofvacation, yeah, in nine weeks,

(01:38:42):
two full weeks away in nine.
In how?
Long nine years that's yeah nowI would take a day here, yeah,
two days there, what becomesweird?

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
I remember and it was just so happened like the big
Fourth of July thing here, thered, white and boom thing.
That was like July 1, when Ibecame chief and I'd already had
scheduled vacation and alreadypaid for it.
So I was like this may be thatone I get.

(01:39:12):
So my first week as chief I wasvacation.
Yeah, it was weird.
I was like and you could, youcould get away for but you start
getting phone calls immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Yeah, and you could.
You could get away for three orfour days here, uh, two or
three days there, but as far asa full five days to two weeks
during a nine-year period.
And yeah, it's time a lot ofweight of the world, and then
you could never ask.
Like you know one of the thingsthat I always did uh, you know,

(01:39:45):
I always wore uniform.
Um, I always wore my vest eventhough I was inside, because I
expected my guys to wear one andI couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Dang campaign hat and you would think you know that
doesn't go unnoticed eithercoming from our side of it.
Is that you know?
I've got a lot more respect forsomebody who's going to tell me
to do something and then I seethem doing the same thing rather
than somebody that's going totell me this is how it's going
to be, but then you come in inball shorts and you know
whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Well, that was the.
You know, that was it's a verysmart move.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
It really is.
It's a good leadership move andpeople need to know that.
Don't ask your people to dosomething that you won't do
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Right, and it did.
I'll be the first to tell youit did stink Sitting behind a
dance wearing a.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Oh my gosh, I was pretty fast in my Class A
uniform.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
There's nothing comfortable about a Class A he
brings me in.
I was working schools.
He's like hey, come in here andcheck this out.
We were buddies, we werefriends, this is just.
He was like check this, Lookwhat I have to write this big,

(01:40:55):
long, huge three-page reportsfor money.
Forfeitures.
I was like you have to do that.
He said, yeah, sit down andwrite one or type it, just copy
and paste it.
I was like I get through one ofthem.
I was like I get through likeone of them.
I was like, no, no, I said whyyou do it?

(01:41:19):
You know, I remember he's likeI can't ask.
I got these guys doing this.
He can't type, so I don't knowif he's testing me out to see if
I'm going to be his scribe ornot.
I was like holy cow, it wastedious and horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
I was like I don't know, and that's you know.
I wouldn't take anything forthe time that I spent in each of
those areas, because it's agreat learning experience.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
You got that opportunity to go through the
rings.
I went from lieutenant tointerim so I knew how to order
uniforms and buy cars.
That was what I was, and I runa squad, you know.
But that was my admin job was Itook care of cars maintenance
and I think that's a good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
I think that being where the position that I was in
at the time and I know this,you know it's kind of not the
comical stuff that you normallyguys do but being able to take a
step of the way choke today,learn a little bit along the way
, was great.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
but well, and it gives you.
Once you get to that number onespot, you've got so much more
experience, perspective and us.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
Yeah, and rather than I had a very charmed patrolman.
You know patrolman to sergeantVery charmed I had.
I was on the interdiction teamwith the state police.
So I got to police in BowlingGreen and you know just where
the Hyda counties were, that wasa rarity.

(01:42:52):
I got to go.
I was a training officer.
That was a rarity, I got to go.
I was a training officer.
I was a canine handler, I was.
You know, I got to do so manydifferent things in that lower,
you know, in the you knowpatrolman, the sergeant stuff.
It was pretty cool, yeah, butone of the one of the crate you
know decks like, so I put himfor that detective spot.

(01:43:16):
You were detective for a day.
I know we've talked about it,but Derek scared the snot out of
me.
It's not because he didn'tthink I could do the job, but I
was like the responsibility thatcame with it.
All right, here, we got it, yougot it.
It wasn't no, like you, youknow.
I know he's proud, you know,because he knew I could do the
job or he wouldn't have offeredit.

(01:43:36):
But he was like you know, ifyou screw this up, you're going
to go.
You know you can go to prisonfor this.
Are you sure?
You know?
It's like yeah, let's see ifTravis, if T-Dot, really wants
to go that route.
It was a smart move because Ireally was.
You know, I was on the fenceabout it anyway.
So the next day I was like hey,I want to go back to school.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
I want to go back to SRO.
Travis had a couple of thosespots where he would come in and
be like Travis come in and go,what can I do for you?
I'd be like I'll tell you whatyou can do for you.
Yeah, Tell you what you can dofor me, Traps.
Okay, Then you come back later,Maybe.
Maybe, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
It was the opposite of those.
Tiktoks where they're like.
I'm having a really good time.
I'm not having a good time atthe fair.
Yeah, I'm having a really goodtime.
No, that was the opposite.
I really thought I would belike this would be a really good
job for me.
I think I can help you here.
You know what I was reallymistaken about?
That I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I would like to go back, but it really taught.

Speaker 5 (01:44:43):
You learn how it's humbling when you learn your
limitations and what you're goodat and your strengths and
weaknesses.
Go with your strengths.
Know your weaknesses,weaknesses and have good people
around you that can do that, andthat's that's very important in
leadership, too, and it's it'spart of it.
Know thyself, but anyway, wewant to conclude it here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Yeah, we're at.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
Uh, we've been yapping for an hour and 45
minutes yeah, you got the record, bro, you probably have to cut
half this.
No, this has been classic.
It's behind the scenes, it'sinside, look Nobody he didn't
know you as anything but thechief man.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
I know you get a chance to be chief, don't?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Yeah, well, I believe you want it Really.
You think I'm ever going to?

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
have a chance to be chief Are you kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Did you see the way my career started?
Do you think I can do that?

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
We won't rule it out, but I'm not on it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
I should have been fired in the academy because of
Danny Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Chief Holland said I was lucky to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
Oh my gosh, we had such a good time.
I love it.
Thank you for coming on We'lloh my gosh, we had such a good
time.
I love it, thank you for comingon.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Thanks for the balls Absolutely enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
We'll do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
I want to do a big cool live.
I think that'd be hilarious toget all these people in here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
We keep talking about bringing Hump in.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
I can tell you stories on Hump.
We'll get a group.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Let's do it Hump and Flump.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Yep, all right, guys, thanks for listening.
We'll hit you on anotherepisode later.
We'll see you later.
Bye, bye, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Bye, I took the pre-sign.