Rock Fights, Glass Pipes, and Wild Rides.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying on a
run of dim street light,laughing through the written
reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts, tales from the force
gone astray, caught up in thegames they play.
High speed chases gone awry,serious turns into pie in the

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sky, just out of jurisdiction,left during the conviction All
right, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good, I'm ready, we good, yeah, good, all right,
we're back with you guys.
We've got two guests with ustoday.
Jake's back with us and we'regoing to try attempt number two
here with Joey, since our firstattempt failed so miserably.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's just my luck.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, he's a black cloud.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
It still follows me.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
It's not surprising that he tore up the recorder the
last time he was here.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
That's just part of good job.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Tear up an anvil with a toothpick no that's true, I
had a blowout last week on theinterstate Mill and.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
I that happens, yeah.
Happens to you a lot blowouts,oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Without further ado, we've got Joey Robinson back
with us, back for the first timeBack.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
For the first time Back for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
yeah, We'll try and piece in some of his original
interview here and there.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, welcome.
We're glad you're here, joey.
I worked with him for what?
Three or four years, I guess atthe PD.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, yeah, two, two, two and a half Interesting.
Oh no, it felt like ten years.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yeah, it did so.
We had some good times, that'sfor sure, Actually.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I think it was three years.
I came over in 2020 and left in23.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, but I left in 23.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Didn't you 2020 and left in 23 yeah but I left in 20
didn't do it yeah usually weall left in 23.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, this is yes this is this is the closest, I
think that we're gonna get togetting the squad back together
as far as what it was and itsintensity.
So, let's go back, let's start.
How did you get into policing?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
So when I was in high school I studied I wanted to be
a firefighter.
I about said firetard, it'sjust a normal one.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, that is, yeah, it is what they are.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I wanted to do that, and in high school I was
studying my EMT classes when Igraduated high school.
I remember I graduated onSaturday.
The following Monday I startedriding the buggy and then
dispatching.
Within the same week I starteddispatching the amulet service.
Then I done a little six-monthstint, full-time at the fire

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department while I still workedat the amulet service and then
dispatched.
And then I done court securitywhen I first turned 21.
I done court security for sixmonths or less and I just
couldn't sit in a building.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I couldn't imagine that you would have a hard time
sitting in one.
I struggled.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
And it wasn't a terrible job.
I'm just not lazy, I can't sitthere and just check people in
and then I went back to EMS.
After I quit that, I stayed atEMS pretty much the whole time,
just worked part-time, otherjobs, and then in 2018, the day

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my son was born I got hired onat the sheriff's office.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Yeah, so to go to the academy or just working.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, I worked.
They hired me.
It um a little bit wild.
I knew all the radio lingo.
I'd rode with several guys backin the day mikey ashhurst and
tyler morris, and I don'tremember who else I rode with
while I was dispatching becauseI didn't have anything else
better to do and I was a nightshift junkie.

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You had a night owl, so Istarted.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I think it was on a Monday morning.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
My first complaint ever was a wreck down in Corbin.
I lived in London and I wassitting there waiting at the
sheriff's office, my sergeantthat I was supposed to be
training under.
He yells at me on the radio andI said go ahead.
He said you care to go aheadand respond to that?
So I responded down there, andthe whole time he thought I'd

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been issued a cruiser already.
Well, I hadn't been.
I was still in my POV.
I show up.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Shows up his old beat-up.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yep, I showed up I had my full get-up on full
uniform and stuff.
It didn't fit me right.
You know his leftovers.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It looked like a trash bag.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah it looked pretty rough.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
What kind of vehicle did you respond in?
It was a black Chevy Avalanche.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Blacked out.
Nothing says police like ablack Chevy Avalanche.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, I mean Did you do the siren out the window?
No, I mean, did you do thesiren out the window?
No, I actually Spongebob Ithink I had lights in it from
being on the fire department.
I didn't run signal nine downthere because I didn't want to
get in trouble.
I was brand new.
But when I got there I turnedmy lights on.
The firefighters may havethought I was a firefighter and

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they see me in the uniform.
They're like what the heck?
You've completely mind blowneverybody.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I start working this rig.
I didn't really know what I wasdoing, but I knew the gist of
it, get all the information.
It didn't turn into a fatality,but it was real close or it may
, I don't remember, but it wasreal bad.
About an hour later later, mysergeant I supposed to be riding
with shows up and say where'syour cruiser?
I ain't got one.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
He said oh my god like he went mad, but he just
didn't realize it.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, that's not unusual that you put out on the
street, he probably wouldn'thave sent you.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
He'd probably been sent somebody else.
They wouldn't nobody else.
So I we worked that Rick andcome back to the sheriff's
office and they issued me acruiser and whatever.
I rode with him for one day andthen the second day I rode with
Grigsby mm-hmm, he was a goodguy, I like.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Danville.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Danville, danville, detective right yeah, he taught
me quite a bit.
And then my third day, I was onmy own there you go, third day
third day.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
That's how it goes with the sheriff's office.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, at six o'clock in the morning I called.
Well, it was before six.
I was out an hour early.
You know how I am soon as sixo'clock hit my first traffic
stop first of many, yeah, isthat like 6 o 2 in the morning.
I was coming down south 25 and Iwas like that looks like a good
one.
I didn't have any idea what Iwas doing.
I ran the tag on it, I was likethis driver might have a

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warrant.
So I found the violation,pulled him over and it down
there first and the jail was theold jail at the time in town
and I'll never forget.
I walked up, asked for hisdriver's license.
It was for sure him.
I asked him to step out.
He's a big, big guy and I waslike, oh my god, this is my

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first person I've ever wrestledout on my own I was scared to
death first traffic stop firsttraffic stop, and whenever I was
putting handcuffs on, I wasshaking so bad like I.
It's like I couldn't even getthem put on the right way.
I had no idea.
I didn't even know howhandcuffs really worked.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's uh I mean it's just, you mean you didn't, you
didn't hold I forgot how itworked?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
no, like I was I have to remind myself every day uh,
what's this double walking thing?
I forget that, yeah, yeah, Ididn't know none of that yeah,
that's pretty much.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's just a suggestion how my, my career
started um, and then from thereis.
I worked for six months, had alot of wild experiences.
Before they had me, I went tothe Academy and I'm like it's
pretty boring.
How long was it before you wentto the Academy?

Speaker 5 (08:34):
six months, six months what you found out in the
Academy was like oh yeahespecially but I will say

Speaker 2 (08:46):
that you had having that experience, would you say
that it made it easier tounderstand what was going on in
the academy.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, it made it way easier um you had more of
a grasp on the only thing Istruggled with the academy was
the ui everybody struggles withthat.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I didn't know none of that stuff.
Winston Academy was DUI.
Everybody struggles with that.
I didn't know none of thatstuff.
I charge people with DUI.
Yeah, I mean that's right.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I mean like I'd yell at somebody that's certified and
they'd come out and do theirthing.
They're like yep, they're DUI,take them Jill.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, I mean that would happen a lot anyways,
because somebody would losetheir certification.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
They'd let it lapse and they'd have to holler at one
of us to come to their field.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Sobriety and all that or run the machine.
Can't tell how many timessomebody, a trooper or somebody
called and you had to go run theintoxilizer for them at the
jail.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
That's one thing I never did.
Like Intoxilizer, I like thepurpose of it, but it's so slow
it takes forever.
I ain't got the patience for it.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
So you'd rather go sit at the hospital for 2-3
hours?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
no, I had to hook up there.
I don't think I ever sat therefor more than 30-45 minutes and
most of that time was readingimplied consent it took me
forever to type the citation,just because I wasn't good at it
.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'd have to go back and take my first book.
That never changed, did it?

Speaker 4 (10:10):
No.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I remember getting all the like sitting at the
hospital and asking you know, ifthey want their lawyer, call
their lawyer.
And I would have certainlawyers that they always called
on speed dial basically Be likeokay, here you go.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
They never answered whenever we were out.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I had one that his lawyer was there already and he
walked out and just happened tosee him.
So he got in the back seat withhim and was sitting there
talking and he's like do I needto take this test or what?
Do I need to refuse it?
And he goes I don't know, areyou drunk?
And he goes yeah, and he goesshut up.

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He looked at me and he's likethat's attorney client privilege
and I was like not in my backseat the citation says client
admitted to the lawyerprivileged.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I was like, not in my backseat, he said.
The citation says clientadmitted to the lawyer.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
He ended up refusing, but it was still, I mean,
classic.
But yeah, blood was better togo with, just on the fact that
when you went to court, it'shard to argue blood Always.
You could argue so many littledifferent things on the
intoxilizer.
Was it in, any little thingwould trip you up.
Was it at 0.04 or you know,whatever the 0.4, whatever the

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ignorance had to be at, I can'tremember now, I barely remember.
Then I still don't know.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah if I went back now and I would have to go back
through the full 40 hours duiclass and the first time I took
that because that, because I'venot been certified in it in so
long they're not going to sendme.
If they were sending thisin-service I'd be like, well, I
quit.
I figured out last year becauseI had to do it.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
It's only 24 hours, is it?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
That's too bad.
I failed it when I was in theacademy.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I failed the oh, they do it in three days.
Now I failed the.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
I was too fast on the the stagmas the stagmas.
I was counting, you know youcount out.
I struggled with that thing, sowhen you're nervous getting
tested on it, I went through allthe steps perfectly, but
instead of one, two, you know,counting out, what is it?
Four, five six.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's a four, count Four count.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
I was like one, two, three, four, you know, back over
and it was fine and you know Ihad to retest.
But boy, I was nervous Becauseif I failed again I was out of
the academy.
Yeah, and I was me.
Yeah, and I was a.
There were certain sections Ithink dui sections was a.
You got one shot.
It wasn't skills or nothinglike that, but I was like oh my

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gosh one more.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
They made one more fail, and it was I'm out.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
It was fast paced right and then when I went in
there and did it I think dannywas my subject, I was testing
and then they were like slowdown, take your time.
I was counting like for 15seconds.
They're like yeah, just held itway out there forever.
You're good, all right, I waslike gosh, but I was stressing.

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You know, they put some weirdstress on you.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
It is definitely different.
The stress For the DUI portionfor me, it my portion for me was
the worst.
I mean, that's just.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, there's a lot and they do run you through that
mock trial on it and you've gotto.
There's just so much you've gotto remember.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I didn't struggle with the mock trial.
I guess I was just a smartaleck to them and they just
stopped messing with me.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
I don't see that, Joey.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I was, which I've been in court yet they hadn't
worked the road Heck.
I'd been in court every Tuesdaymorning for six months before I
went to the academy, had toleave the academy a couple times
to go to court, and really inour area we had a lot more
drug-related DUIs anyways Not alot of them were alcohol or they

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were both.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
You remember the guy that hit the flagpole and took
out the light in front of thecourthouse?

Speaker 6 (14:07):
The courthouse yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
He gets out and he's like no man, I've not had
anything.
He's got yellow powder all overhis mustache and nose.
It's like no man, I ain't gotsnorting Xanaxes.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah, my favorite is when you see somebody and you're
like you've not been snortinganything.
No, sir, and there's a half apill hanging out of them.
Yes, you're like you didn'tcrush that enough.
Good enough, I was in a hurry.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I saw you back there.
I was at Skittles earlier.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
That brings up a good story I've got.
I was at Sheriff's Office.
I don't even think I'd been tothe academy either.
I was on Hal Rogers Parkway infront of the high school and
there was a lady pulled up nextto me and she's doing that, you
know just.
I mean all over the placeTweaking, yeah, tweaking, doing

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all like, and I was parked rightbeside her and I was like gosh,
she's a wreck man, like I couldtell she was high just from
looking at her in the driver'sseat, before she even got out or
anything.
So the light turns green and Isit there.
I was waiting for her to go.
You know how somebody theywon't go first no

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so I just put it in reverse andshe starts going.
There wasn't nobody in front ofus, it's in the middle of the
day and I stop her right infront of the mobile home place,
going east past the high school.
I don't know what the name ofthat place is, but anyways, I
stop her and I walk up to thewindows.
Amy, you got your driver'slicense and insurance
registration.

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You know, I still knew I wastrying to be professional and
she starts cussing me all topieces.
Why do you stop me?
Yada, yada, yada, I was likewell, ma'am.
I was like you're so high, youcan't hold your composure.
I said something like that andI asked her to step out, and I'm
not joking.
The fight was on and she hadher mom, who was like 90 years

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old, in the passenger seat it.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you have to fight her too?
No, I didn't have to fight her.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
She broke out that cane, but she tried to she tried
to take off on me and I think Ican't remember exactly how it
went down.
I think her mom handed me thekeys, like, pulled them out of
the ignition and I finally gother out of the car and we were
right in the middle, how rogers,on the yellow line, and I
remember there was one car thatwent past us and another car
that like so they were splittingus and we were duking it out

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right.
I mean, we were on the groundand I yelled for help, uh, and I
think ashley showed up.
Um, after I had her cuffed andwe were both laying in the over
on the other side in the ditch.
I was out of breath.
She was out of breath andAshley walked up.
She said what in the world isgoing on, joey, and I said well,
she's obviously high and Ithink I can't remember what

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language I used in front ofAshley and I said gosh, I'm
sorry, I said that that remindsme you've got a habit of going
in the ditch, wasn't it thewouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
and that mexican that ended up in the ditch?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I forgot, yes I forgot about that.
Oh my god.
Yeah, we gotta tell that one.
Well, that's fresh.
I don't remember.
It was somebody else's who wastraining webb, it wasn't me
maybe I can't remember exactlywho it was.
It was Gary and somebody wasn'tit yeah because Gary was out

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with us.
I worked at the sheriff'soffice.
Then it was me and little Johnand I just showed up to.
I seen them stop.
You know common courtesy Ifthey got somebody out of the
vehicle and it's just onecruiser there.
You stop to make sure they'regood.
So I stopped.
And I was just one cruiserthere, you stop to make sure
they're good.
So I stopped and uh, I was justtalking this guy I can't

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remember, he might have been benor somebody and uh, he was
talking to the passenger.
I was talking to the driver atthe back of the truck bed and I
asked him.
I said I was trying to ask thehispanic guy.
He was, you know, all spreadout with his hands on the truck
bed.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I was was like do you have any weapons?
No, he was plastered too.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah he was hammered dry.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
I said any pistolas?
Yeah, see, see.
And he starts reaching down.
Well, my natural instinct wasoh crap, he's got a gun.
He just remembered it, he'sgoing to go for the gun.
So I tried to take him down.
And whenever I tried to takethem down, it was on an incline
right in front of the postoffice and we fell into that.
There's cattails, or whateverthey're called.

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They're still sticking up there.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's a huge ditch, I mean, and it was.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
It's a culvert.
Really Catch bass in there,yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
They wouldn't taste very good, if you'd appreciate
it.
It was like bar, like oily mud,I don't know what you would
call it, but I fell in that andI look up after I get the guy
cuffed.
I mean we both were covered inmud and Ben's just sitting there
laughing at me.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I was like thanks for the help, bro.
Thanks for the help dude.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
You always end up covered in some kind of mud.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, it wasn't really a fight, but he just
wouldn't comply Like I justdon't.
He was a stout, you know,probably bricklayer or something
.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Did you all run?
Did you run a uniform?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, I destroyed.
Was you in Class A that time?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yep, always, because you was at Sheriff's House.
They always did.
Yeah, I was, while we're on theuniform, destroying the one up
there at the dollar store acrossthe and the one up there at the
dollar store across the, and Idon't know why, because we were
in class B's and I remember youall come down.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah they called me out.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
But, I think Jake or somebody thought we're wearing
class A's for a while it wasn'tJake.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
It had to be.
He never said we were wearingclass A's, unless Well he was
the sergeant on that shift.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
For whatever reason, maybe you went to court that day
that's what I was.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You were at court and went to the gym and I called
you out.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, and you were still in that uniform.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, everybody knew.
You know, before work I was atthe gym, usually about three
o'clock you were easy to callout.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, because you were already out I didn't have
to.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
You know, worry, I had my uniform at the gym with
me.
Usually they called me out andI, I remember, for some reason I
was like I need to get to mycruiser, so I didn't change out
at the gym, I I just threw allmy crap back in my cruiser and I
was on my way to the pd becauseI I wanted to keep my radio on
and be listening what was goingon.
And I get to the pd and I thinkall the calls were caught up at

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that point but there's likethree or four guys that were
1015, which means in custodywith other people and you called
and he was like man, we'reshort staffed, somebody caught.
I think it was you.
It's like you care to come outor that's like, no, I don't care
.
So I go to the PD.
I change out real quick and notlike it was early.

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You know, I just got out of thegym so I was trying to.
I wasn't really trying to takeit easy, but I just went up to
dispatch, was kind of hangingout trying to stay in the loop
of everything that was going ongetting caught up on what
everybody was doing.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think the reason for that was that was the day
that they had the juvenile thatthey thought had been kidnapped.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yep, that was it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
And drowned, and murdered and thrown in the lake.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yeah, that was yeah, we was busy.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Ended up being.
She just ran away and washiding at her boyfriend's house.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
But we were all going , holler, we were in and we just
needed more help.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, it looked really bad from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
So you know, obviously I'm at dispatch and
they get a call from the dollarstore there on North Main Street
.
They got a shoplifter.
Nine times out of ten you go tothe shoplifter.
They're either gone or it'sjust a citation.
You let go most of the timefrom the dollar store.
If they just wanted their stuffback, they didn't even want
them charged.
So I show up and I think it'sthe manager or one of the

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workers.
She's right here.
She's about to come out.
So I get out of my car, I flagher over there.
She's compliant, she comes overthere.
I was like, ma'am, you know,this is why I'm here.
You are accused of shoplifting.
Yada, yada, yada.
She said I ain't stole nothing.
I'm like well, set your purseon the hood of my car.
I said we'll sit down, talkabout it.
I was trying to be chill withher.

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So she sets her purse on thehood of my car and she darts or
takes off running, and at thetime they were doing
construction on main street infront of the dollar store across
the street, yeah, they toredown a building and they were
making a parking lot and it wasnothing but mud, just swampy mud
, whatever you want to say.
So I, um, I get to chasing her.

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She throws her meth pipe out ofher bra as we're running across
Main Street.
You can hear it cracking.
I'm like, well, she's probablygot drugs on her.
As I'm running, I told myself Iwas like I don't want to tackle
her in the middle of the road.
So I was like I'll catch herwhen she hits this muddy field.
I didn't think it was thatmuddy.
It had been raining like allmorning or something, so I get

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or something, so I get her inthe in that muddy field whatever
you want to call it a tacklerand we get to rolling around and
I mean, I think that was worsethan a crossword in the post
office when it comes to mud.
Just, I had it inside my vest,my radio didn't work, my holster
was jacked up, you had about$1,000 worth of damage to your
equipment.
I can't remember the exact quotethat we quoted out, but it was

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definitely felony, criminalmischief or close.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It was probably like $3,000 at the restitution that
he had.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, it was a lot Run fast, run gun, but the whole
moral of the story behind allthat is they called me out To be
there to take calls.
I take one call and I'm out ofservice for three hours.
My uniforms destroy I couldn'teven what did we?
Have to go to the hospitalafter that?
I don't, probably, who knows,there's so many.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
I don't think we went to the hospital after that one,
but that was the nature of ourlife it was yeah, we should have
probably just set up a stationtwo at the hospital, as much as
we were there, we just need tohire a nurse.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I mean really, we really did yeah we or somebody
you know, we had a lot of a lotof craziness was you with us
back to that culvert?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
was you with us during during?

Speaker 4 (24:01):
covid, oh yeah, I was training under T-Doc.
Which time.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
When we got bored and decided we was going to go
caving under 192.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
No he wouldn't listen .
No, I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
It's a wonder we're not all still down there.
I have seen Sid Colbert and thebath.
So we went in back behind weexplored it, wouldn't I, because
there was nothing else going on.
It was a stupid move on ourpart.
Now that you look, back at itbecause it took us forever to
get back out Was y'all lookingfor homeless.
Yeah, well, that was kind of.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
We heard they were using the tunnels, so we just
wanted to see what these tunnelsthey were talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
So we got in and behind the post office back
there and walked it all the waywe were under like the old kmart
parking lot, like that's wherewe were.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Yeah, we were a good hundred yards back in there,
yeah like at one point we knewthat we were over 192.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
We could hear traffic coming over top of us.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Don't mind that noise .
Joey's doing work.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
I was.
It just brought up anothermemory.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Joey's writing down.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I couldn't remember if he was with us or not, but I
started thinking about that whenyou was talking about the car.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I wasn't there, but there was somebody I chased down
there and they tried to hit thetunnel.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I can't remember, and there's a huge like you have to
really navigate to get in therebecause it's a pond basically
below it.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
I think if people knew, really knew I know there's
a lot of talk about helping thehomeless right now If they knew
how elaborate some of thesecamps were in town, behind
people's yards, they would freakout right now.
If they knew how elaborate someof these camps were in town,
behind people's yards, theywould freak out right now.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, that bathing station that they had right
behind the post office.
It was probably the cleanestwater in town.
I mean they were.
They would just leave shampooand soap and, yes, where they
would bath.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I mean we even in the wintertime.
I'm like gosh, yeah they.
They are the places like up bythe interstate that have I told
the story about when Pence wasin town and the homeless guy
popped out from underneath this,this that during the detail
during the detail no.
I've not heard that so so vicepresident Pence flew in.

(26:23):
It was you on those details.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I was, but I wasn't in that area.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
I was but I was on light duty.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Then he flew in twice .
This was the second one.
We must have been having agovernor's election and they
were campaigning for him heflies in.
My detail was to stop trafficon 192 right at the interstate

(26:52):
and the interstate was shut down.
The detail, or I guess theywere heading down towards Corbin
and then they were going toturn around head back towards
Lexington or something like that.
Yeah, and then they were goingto turn around head back towards
Lexington, or something likethat yeah.
And so my detail was right thereat the exit 38, stopping
everything on 192, coming intotown and I'd tell people.

(27:16):
I'd be like, hey, the convoys,you know they're coming through
here.
If y'all want to turn around,you can.
If not, he's going to turnright here.
It'd be cool to.
If y'all want pictures,whatever, just stand right here.
It's pretty awesome, right.
I was like, yeah, they're goingto go by.
Well, it gets quiet.
You could see them coming.
They were hammered down on 192.

(27:36):
And all of a sudden they get upto about the bridge and one of
them homeless guys the statepolice was supposed to have
checked under the bridges andcleared.
Everything pops out, walks up.
What is that?
What's going on?
I mean, he obviously thoughtthat the rapture had happened
and we all got caught up, exceptfor me and him, I guess.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well, y'all made us sleep down here.
We got to make a lunch racket.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
You're doing it in my yard.
It's too quiet, I can't sleep.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
So he pops out and I draw down Because I didn't know
who he was.
I said, oh my gosh, he's on thewrong side of the road.
He pops out from underneath thebridge there and comes out to
the guardrail and I've gun drawnat this point and Scotty
Pennington, with the statepolice, was leading the convoy

(28:25):
there, heading down.
What do they call that?
Their envoy or whatever theycall that, with the limousines
and stuff.
Their entourage was headingsouth and he stops and the whole
everybody stops and I'm atgunpoint because they really
didn't want to go crossfire.
So I just I put it back in myholster.

(28:49):
I said you stand right there.
It's a lot apparent.
You know Scotty's on the radioand talking to the command post
and they're all freaking out.
And I just put my gun back inmy pocket and pop a salute at
the first time I'm walking and Iwas like I'm going to kill this
guy.
Nothing to see here, boys.
Don't worry buddy, go, go, go,go go.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I wonder what he was saying he's like what's that
idiot doing he was saying don'tworry about it, he was a marine,
it's only a box of crayons,he'll be alright, he's hungry.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
He's like what's that ?
Idiot doing I'm sure he wassaying don't worry about it, he
was a Marine, it's only a box ofcrayons, He'll be all right,
he's hungry.
Oh my gosh, I don't know.
I mean, it was just like whatare you doing?
And then I'm like what am Idoing?
I'm pointing a gun towards theconvoy.
Oh ridiculousness.
Well, well, what do you do?
It's fun times.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
There is some fun times, for sure.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You came up to the PD I've said on your hiring, was
you on that board too when hegot hired, jake?

Speaker 6 (29:56):
No, I was only on one hiring board, I wasn't allowed
to do it after that.
I got in trouble for laughingduring it.
Whose was it?
I don't remember the guy.
We didn't end up hiring him.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I remember who it was .
Then I was cracking jokes.
It was hard for me.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
I looked up and Derek was mean mugging me.
I was like, well, this is thelast time I'll be doing this.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
My interview was rough, just not in a bad way.
I knew everybody.
I was trying to be professional, professional, but I knew how
everybody acted.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
You had council members, you would think that
would make it easier, but itmakes it much harder Because
you're like all these peopleknow that I'm lying right now.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Why do you think you'll be a good fit here for
the PD?
Because ha ha ha.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
That kind of stuff.
I think I use you Well, you allknow I think I use you Well,
you all know me yeah.
I use that 100 times.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
So he gets hired and right away I guess I had you,
yeah, pretty quick, and westayed.
Just crazy stuff happened.
It was COVID, it was COVID, andwe didn't have a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
But when we did have something going, on.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh man, it was stupid .

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Right off the bat we was looking at maybe
investigating a murder.
We had our tasers issued backto us.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, that's when the Patrick story.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Did Patrick tell that one didn't he?
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
That was a fun time he had been policing.
He had been policing longerthan me but I'd probably tased I
don't know how many people atthat point from the sheriff's
office and we were funnelingdown that hallway and I don't
know if he told it.
You can still listen on thevideo.
I was like Patrick, tase him,tase him, tase him, tase him

(31:46):
because I wanted.
I had lethal and he had lesslethal because he had never
tased anybody and that was, Ithink we joked about it before.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I was like these are going to get used today we were
just joking and I'd be danged ifwe didn't get it yeah, right
off the, we just finishedtraining it was like two hours
later.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
It was like our next call basically.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
It was wild.
Me and Joey ended up sitting atthe hospital for like four
hours and that's horrible.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
It's really hard for me to even sit still in one
place.
You're lucky I'm sitting stillhere.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Joey's, basically the only crackhead that I've ever
seen that doesn't use crack.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's why I used to tell him he's the most
interesting creature I've everseen.
That's why he was so good athunting dope.
I couldn't sit still.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
He had their brain, he's got math brain, I mean
whatever you want to call it, itworked.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
It did work.
I mean, I feel like I could.
I got pretty decent atinterviewing folks for a bit and
then it's like we had goodtimes.
Oh yeah, we had a lot of dope.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Let's hear some more stories.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I know you got a whole computer full of stuff.
I know the last time you washere a good one that you told
was the rock fight.
We've got to hear the rockfight.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well, I have to rewind back to whenever I worked
at the sheriff's office.
It happened then I can'tremember if I'd been to the
academy or I hadn't I was stillnew either way.
And we get a call like arefusal to leave or somebody
intoxicated in somebody's yardor whatever, and I pull up and
I'm like man, where's thisperson at?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
you most?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
of the time you go to a complaint like that, you
can't find them right.
I mean, they're long gone bythe time you get there,
especially at the sheriff'soffice, because sometimes you
come from way out.
I don't know where I came from,but I got there fairly quick
and I was looking for this.
It's a female.
I was looking for her.
Finally I spot her.
She's up in the tree.
I'm like this is odd.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I don't even know if this is the right person.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Then I watched her for a minute.
Actually, whenever I pulled inthe driveway I was too far
committed at that point, becauseit was kind of a longer
driveway and I was like I don'tknow where this person's at and
I seen her, I was like uh-oh,I'm close to her.
It's like probably 15 yards, 20yards away.
So I get out of my car and assoon as I got out I heard a ping

(34:22):
.
I was like well, I don't knowwhat that was it.
As soon as I got, on, I heard aping.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I was like I don't know, what that was.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It sounded weird.
Acres falling yeah, I was likeyou've got to be careful of the
acres, might have lost magazine.
Yeah, I was like that soundedweird.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
I don't know what that was.
I started trying to call herout and I heard ping ping.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I was like what in the world.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Then I noticed she was throwing something at me and
then she threw a bigger rockand I don't know if it busted my
windshield or cracked it orchipped it or something.
I remember I did have to get mywindshield replaced a couple
weeks after that and then itturned into she wasn't listening
to anything I was saying.
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
So she, she knew you was probably coming, and what,
so she packed a pocket full ofgravels up with her.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, they were rocks and it wasn't the normal little
tiny gravels.
I mean they were.
I don't know the grade of rocks, but some of them were bigger
than others.
It wasn't Vince's grade.
No, no, I mean still, I waslike what the heck?
She had a quarry with her.
Yeah, I mean I can't rememberif it was coveralls or big old

(35:25):
pockets, big jacket.
It was cold outside, I rememberthat.
But I didn't know what to do.
I didn't want to get closer toher, because I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I didn't know how big a rock she had, so I just
started.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I was like well here you go, pick some rocks up,
throw them back at her.
So I started you trying to snapher out of the dream of the
rock.
I did.
I mean there's a couple, Ithink.
I made contact because I heardow and she started cussing me or
whatever finally, uh, I mean,we kept rock fighting and

(35:57):
dispatch you know they donestatus check every five.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
How long did this rock fight occur?
Well, I've been on scene or inthe area for five minutes.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
And how long did this rock fight occur?
Well, I've been in there forfive minutes and I found her
probably within a minute or two.
I'd say you got probably threegood minutes of us just.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Chucking rocks.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
It got to the point where I was like I'm glad you
didn't mention that in theinterview.
I think I mean it was Chuckingrocks.
Do we get issued?
I'm glad you didn't mentionthat in the interview.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I think I mean it was a rock fight.
Do we get issued stones?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
It got to the point where I was looking around it is
a sling it up.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
I would like duck in behind my cruiser and try to
find a decent rock to throw ather.
You know you don't want to findone.
That's real little that thewind's going to mess with.
You've got to find the right one.
But finally I was just like,well, this ain't gonna, this
ain't doing nothing, so I can'tremember if she slipped or she
got down a little bit lower, um,and well, dispatch status

(36:57):
checked me.
I was like you're 10-4?
And I was like, yeah, I'm 10-4,just having a rock fight.
And they said 10-9.
I said, yeah, we're having arock fight here, I'm 10-4, just
having a rock fight.
And they said 10-9?
.
I said, yeah, we're having arock fight here, I'm 10-4.
And I think it was Bunch.
He's like 34, did you say youwere having a?
rock fight.
I was like 10-4.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
He said units, you copy.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I guess he and I try my best most of the time to stay
keep my composure on the radio.
That was fun.
It wasn't really intense until,uh, she got.
She got a little bit lower tothe ground and I was like, well,
there's only one way to endthis.
I'm gonna pop her with my taserso she threw a rock missed me

(37:37):
and I ran up, popped her with mytaser as she fell out of the
tree.
Um it wasn't that high.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't remember three or four foot still going
to end up in a hospital trip, nomatter what it was, yeah, it
did just a.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
CYA, if nothing else, when she fell out of the tree.
She done something to her ankleand let me tell you I'd seen a
lot of high people in my time.
She was probably up there.
I showed you the video earlier.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
She just oh, was that her screen yet.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I mean she was wild so I took her to the hospital.
There I think nothing wrongwith her.
She may have bruised her ankle.
I took her to jail, but thewhole time to jail she's just
screaming.
I mean bloody murder all theway to jail.
But that was one of of myadventures where you know you
never really know what you'regoing to get when you get called
out stuff like that, especiallyat the sheriff's office.

(38:29):
You know, I don't think anybodyeven came to me.
They just asked what happenedout there.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
You know she's checking rocks, yeah, she just I
didn't know what else to do.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
They don't teach you that stuff.
I can't remember if I've beento the academy or not, but they
ain that in the academy either.
What do you?
Do if somebody has a rockthrowing at you?
You?

Speaker 6 (38:45):
throw them back.
Yeah, you throw them back.
I meant Duh Load up.
Yeah, I meant.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
I think she became a regular there for a while in
that area, us dealing with it.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
We had a lot of regulars.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I can't remember her name.
That's hilarious.
That was one of my many of likewhat the hell do I do here?
Yeah, that's insane.
I mean it's just, it was my.
I guess you could say if I wentto complain?
You know, I would always hopefor the best, but it seemed like
it never went as planned.
There was something alwayscrazy.
Hardly ever, I mean, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
There was something always crazy, partly ever I mean
, I don't know A lot of it isthe dissemination of information
that you get from a caller todispatch and then them trying to
interpret it and get it out toyou as accurately as possible.
Sometimes it's dead on themoney and sometimes it's not.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Look at this how many times have you went to somebody
like walking around in the yardno-transcript I can't remember
what the actual details of itwas and you show up and they're
like I'm just walking throughthe yard.
You don't even find them.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I mean, I probably could have easily just drove
through there and not seen her.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But that just wasn't the type of cop I was.
If somebody called, I actuallytry to at least help and do the
right thing.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
We worked with a couple guys that I had, 98
didn't find her.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Whatever they didn't look up no you had another
incident where it didn't turnout what it seemed, didn't you?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
With that welfare check the female.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Oh yeah, this is another sheriff's office
incident, but this residence waslike you could see the city
limits and it was 6 o'clock inthe morning.
I called 10-8.
Usually if you call 10-8 andthey say break, they've had a
call holding for a while.
Yeah, did not shift guys.

(40:49):
I mean nothing against him.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
They usually one or two of them out at night yeah, I
mean they go home, just keep upthe call, yeah they was ready
to go home.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
So I call 10-8.
They're like break and I saidgo, that's welfare check out at
a residence just outside thecity limits.
It's like it's been holding forI can't remember how long, not
very long, an hour or two.
So I show up, there's somelights on in the house and I

(41:18):
walk up to the door and I hear Isee this lady walking around
the living room and I hear bang,bang, bang.
It sounded like at first Ithought it was outside, but then
, the more I listened, it was inthe basement and I was like
step out here.
I'm just here to check on you.
She's like I can't.
I'm like what do you mean?
You can't.
And I was like uh-oh, she'slike I can't.

(41:41):
I was like well, open your door, honey.
She's like I can't.
I'm like what do you mean?
You can't?
The guy padlocked the door frominside and had the keys, so she
couldn't get out.
The back door was the same way.
According to her, I never wentto the back door to check, but
later on I found out it waspadlocked.

(42:02):
She couldn't get out of thehouse.
So I uh.
Later on I found out it waspadlock.
She couldn't get out of thehouse.
Uh, so I was like, well, nowyou got a dispatch.
I was like london, I don't knowwhat I got going on here, but
this lady said she can't exitthe house and there's somebody
downstairs beating on something.
I don't know what it is andthat's the exact terminology I
used.
I was pretty straightforward onthe radio and they're like all

(42:22):
right, we'll try to get you someunits in route um my day shift
I was on theday shift.
At that time.
Uh, I think they tried to yellat the sergeant.
He I can't remember if he wason his way, but from corbin or
he something happened.
It was just me.
So I knew they had people onthe way and I kicked the door

(42:47):
open because I couldn't open it.
At first I tried just shoulderchecking it, it wouldn't work.
Well, when I kicked the dooropen, it split in half, and I
guess right above where thepadlock was, and I went to push
it open and I busted my headwide open somewhere.
I had.
I mean there's blood coming downmy forehead and I got her out

(43:09):
and I said go get my car.
Well, she runs and gets in mycar, all right, she gets in the
driver's seat.
And I was like, oh my gosh, Igot something downstairs bait
beating on something.
So I started trying to call himout.
I was like I'm not about to goin this house.
And he comes up the stairs Imean, I can't remember what he's

(43:32):
saying cussing, raging.
He had some type of rock musicplaying downstairs which I
couldn't hear it outside.
But after the door was open itwas like crazy music.
He comes running at me swingingthis big old pole and at that
time the door was broke open,like you couldn't close it or
nothing.
And I was standing on the frontporch at this time and I went

(43:56):
to back up.
I was trying to pull my taserout and I fell off the porch.
And I was falling off the porch.
I think I hit the ground first,I tased him and he dropped it.
But that's one of themsituations where it could have
ended real bad for one of thetwo of us, absolutely, um,
because in the, in the midst ofit, you don't really know what's

(44:16):
going on.
You just roll with the motions,but looking back at him like
god, I'm out of here if that guythat door wouldn't have been
like halfway broken where he wasstruggling to get out of it.
He could have destroyed mebecause it's a big old, it's a
long metal pole with some Idon't know a makeshift, I
wouldn't say hatchet, but ahomemade hatchet, I guess was it
a breaching device, a battleaxe, if you will, it's something

(44:41):
like that.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
It was something with a sharp bend on it, but I like
looking back at it now.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I was like man that could have been and I mean I, I
tased him, got him detained andall that.
He had to go to the hospital.
I think he went to the hospitalfor some psych issues,
obviously, and then we ended uptaking him to jail and he didn't
remember any of it, allegedly.
Wow, after he sobered up he wasgone.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
I wonder if she would have relayed that of being
kidnapped here when she called.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
I don't know that she called.
I can't remember all the littlefine details, but I think
somebody else had called tocheck on her.
They hadn't heard from her in acouple of days or something
like that.
Wow, scary.
Yeah, I mean, I was by myself.
The city showed up, you know,after the mess was over, which
nothing against them, I mean,it's just right on time.
Yeah, they showed up.

(45:37):
I think the lady she hadn'tshe'd been beaten pretty bad.
Yeah, lady, she hadn't she,she'd been beaten pretty bad.
It was pretty and she's anolder woman.
It was the son and that was herthe mother.
I believe her, something likethat.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Jeez, okay, we've had , I mean we had quite a few
calls us working together.
That could have been a lot more.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
That were a lot more dangerous than we realized at
the time, speaking, that youtell the um.
It sounds better when you tellthe story.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
The west 80, the scabies, yeah yeah, so this was
we were we were in our prime ofof hunting dope at this time and
joey had a guy pulled over andwe kind of we tried to stay
close to each other that way,because unless you're joey, you
don't search a vehicle byyourself.
Wow.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Dangerous.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's definitely an officer safety issue it for sure
is.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
He doesn't very well either.
I try.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
He tried, but you know, when other guys are busy
doing their own thing, sometimesyou just it's not smart.
I don't recommend that anybodysteal places.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah.
So we would holler at eachother to two up and if somebody
called and said, hey, two withme, you knew that he was getting
ready to search a vehicle.
For the most part, and twoingup is just meeting up.
That's what we would.
Anytime you see a set ofcruisers in a parking lot and
they're window to window,they're twoed up.
So Joey hollers, he says hey,I've got one.

(47:07):
He calls out on his trafficstop and he says somebody take
it with me.
He gets this.
And this guy's squirrely, hedidn't.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
so I don't know if you call it spidey senses or I
don't know what you call it, butthe situation, women's
intuition.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
It just it did not seem right.
There was something that seemedreally off about it and I've
dealt with probably hundreds ofpeople at that time the guy,
just I didn't feel good about it.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, he was an odd dude.
He was real, antsy and real.
You know he's definitely hidingsomething.
There was some deception there,you can tell, and so you know
I'm providing cover.
Joey's doing his thing.
And Joey done the original.
You know the initial pat downwhen he pulled him out of the
vehicle.
And if, with a pat down, if youdon't feel anything, that's you

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know articulately, a, you knowcrime, then you don't go into
pockets and you don't doanything like that.
This guy kept trying to.
First of all, he told us thathe had scabies.
So right there, there's redflag one.
He don't want us touching him.
So he tells us that he's gotscabies.
And he's right, I don't want totouch you either if you've got

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scabies.
No, I'm going to stay there.
So we were kind of you know,gloved up, keeping our distance,
and then he just kept.
You have those people that willnot keep their hands out of
their pockets and that's, that'sthe no-no.
You know, usually that's I can'tsee you yet if you can't see
their hands, I mean, the handsis what's going to kill you?
So he keeps his hand, puttinghis hands in the pocket.

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So, finally, we just were all.
We're just going to cuff him up.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
He's too antsy.
Yeah, we found.
I think I found marijuana orsomething.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
We found a reason to actually search him.
Yeah, we could have went 15with him at that time.
So we just go ahead and cuffhim up and then we start pulling
stuff out of his pockets.
Well, he had a wad in hispocket, but it just felt like
paper towels or something, or asock.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Or a sock.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It ended up being a little revolver that he had
wadded up in a sock.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
So yeah, he kept reaching for that little sock
the whole time.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
If somebody hadn't been paying attention, he could
have got to it oh the way thedude acted.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
I think most definitely, if I wouldn't have
called for somebody, he probablywould have tried something.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, if it was just you, if there wasn't two of us
there, he'd have tried just you,because everybody tried you
anyways yeah, I mean that's just.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
It was life for me.
I don't know.
I'd show up to something andthink it's going to be we have a
Greyhound bus stop here inLondon.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
I don't know if you ever owned that one.
I know Patrick was there.
It was me and him.
I can't remember.
Maybe Was this the Flare gun,the flare gun that had the He'd
rigged up to make it like ashotgun, like a one-shot deal,
and that was wild.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Oh yeah, I guarantee he was a convicted felon too.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
I'd say he was trying to get south or north, wherever
they were going, we'd just haveto stop here.
We had more crazy stuff.
Come off them buses.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Oh my goodness, yeah, I mean every night.
It seemed like we were goingout there dealing with something
.
You know somebody get droppedoff and they didn't have no more
money.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Well, I mean, it got to the point where we pulled the
schedule and I was doinginterdiction with it.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah, I remember.
I mean, it's pretty easy to geton the Greyhound.
You can see where their nextstop was.
It was hard to decipher.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I mean I think it wasn't a big deal.
It was hard to get grounds tosearch.
That was more.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Usually.
I'd look for people you knowgetting off the bus to stay.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, yeah, hopping in somebody's vehicle and try to
find the reason.
Stop the vehicle.
You find a lot of pills thatway, but it was weird, you know,
having homemade flare gunshotguns.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
They'd they'd put a shell in and try and made the
primer.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, I was like holy cow.
He knew what he was doing,badly Shooting it down the aisle
of a bus.
Crazy Scatter everywhere.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Scary stuff often.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
You want to talk about the dinner, and then I
head over to IGA.
So we talked about that I didyour interview.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
But you can give your perspective.
Yeah, give your version of it.
So Jake had talked about it inhis interview.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I didn't get to listen to it yet.
So, we were just eating dinner.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, we were eating dinner and then you get a call
out of a.
The complaint comes out at IGA.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
I think that might have been our first night with
Joey.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
It was, it was, it was the very first night.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yep.
So you know, obviously, mebeing me, I ate as quick as
possible and as the call cameout, I got it, guys, because I
knew they were going to cover meif I was searching a car or
whatever later on, if the alarmcame out or something.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And Joey was like let's go, hurry up, hurry up,
let's go, let's go.
He was just chomping at the bit.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I left out there a little bit before the other guys
did.
I can't remember, was it?
A guy passed out.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah it was a guy passed out.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I was like I'm going to take care of this.
He'll probably be gone by.
They were, you know, but goahead.
So I leave out of there.
I get over there probably acouple minutes, pull in and I
was like, well, holy crap, it'sstill here, which, you know, I

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wasn't quite used to just thenbecause I'd only been at the PD
a couple of months at that point, and I pull in behind them, I
turn my lights on and I can'tremember if I had my window down
or I'd just stepped out, but Iheard the engine revving.
I was like do I approach it?
You know, I was still kind ofwhat do I do in this situation?
I'll figure it out.
That's the way I always done it.
So he's revving the engine,revving the engine and all of a

(53:10):
sudden it starts coming back.
I seen the reverse lights and hefloored it and ran up over the
hood of my car and I was stillin the like the door jam or
whatever you would call it um,and then he backed over my car
and for some reason I don't knowI mean, I don't know why he

(53:30):
done this he went to get out thepassenger door and instead of
running he came towards me.
So I have to go all the wayback around my car.
And then I can't remember Idon't think he fought, we just
got him on the ground and cuffedhim.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
But just little situations like that that would
happen all the time he tried totell you he wasn't driving.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yeah, he tried to say that's what it was.
He was like I ain't drivingthis, where'd they go?
And I seen him get out of thepassenger room.
There was nobody else got out.
I mean, it was an old Jeep andI think the door even squeaked
real loud it was like dude, youain't fooling me.
But that's just.
I mean, that was an every nightoccurrence.

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Something crazy like thathappened.
I couldn't tell you how manytimes I had my bumper crushed or
wrecked.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Those push guards that we put on there.
They're good but they're not.
Oh my gosh, the little backlike they would cause more
damage a lot of times they wouldOn little small wrecks Like we
were.
It was during COVID and we wasdown at the building, probably
not playing cornhole, or youknow listening to podcasts?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
No, that would never happen.
Probably not playing cornhole.
Or listening to podcasts.
No, that would never happen.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
But it was really like a flood over on
Middleground Way.
So we was all heading overthere and for some reason I
think it was Hopkins pulled outand went another way, or his car
was parked over there in adifferent spot, so he was just
going to go up hit main streetand he got behind a car and got

(55:10):
just backed up or, you know, hada clutch, you know, I don't
know just, and I mean did aboutprobably three thousand dollars
worth of damage because of theit busted the radio?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
yeah, because it pushed the.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
it pushed the push guard into all that stuff.
I was like, oh my gosh, thesethings are awesome.
They're tearing up your car.
They were, If they wouldn'thave.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
it probably would have cracked the plastic.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
The front bumper's a little scuffed, but no, it's
that thing that just caves inthe front of your car is a
little scuffed, but no, it'sthat thing that just caves in
the front of your car.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
When Andrew KO'd me heading to a call on South 25,
it barely cracked my bumper butit folded his hood.
It just folded his hood becausethat thing, it came back and
pushed it all the way up it wasawful.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
They look cool though .
Oh yeah, they do look cool.
I like the full wraparound ones.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Oh yeah, they drag pretty good when you go over
that intersection of South 25and 192, too fast too.
Oh yeah, son, you hit that, youused to.
You'd set sail Sparks.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
It was off the ground .

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Was it all of us?
Where were we coming from?
It might have been when thatgas station there at the park
entrance just opened.
We were going somewhere and wehit that.
I don't know how fast we weregoing.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It was like all of us in a line and we hit that thing
, and it was like ja, ja, ja, ja, yeah, it was like four
creatures.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I mean, we set sail and I was like oh my.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
God, we've all 46ed out right here.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
I'm sure it looked cool for everybody else.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, I bet I have no idea what call we were going to
, but it's untelling.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Who knows, that brings up do you remember the
Cardinal Market thievery, thefrog-tog camos, was that the?

Speaker 6 (57:03):
guy with the boots.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, broke into the side how we caught him.
Do you remember that?
I've got it right down here.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I remember.
You'll have to refresh mymemory.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
It was quite funny.
There was a I guess the easiestway to explain it.
I wouldn't call it a robbery.
There was a I guess the easiestway to explain it.
I wouldn't call it a robbery.
But somebody broke into a localbusiness, stole their money bag

(57:35):
and a bunch of cigarettes andwe couldn't find the guy.
When it happened we looked thewhole area back behind Walmart.
We found the money bag andstill didn't find all the
cigarettes or whatever.
But so fast, so that happenedand fast forward.
Like two weeks later we get anoise complaint right there in
front of the fire department,right by the PD.

(57:55):
Yeah, yes and during the we hadvideo surveillance of the actual
burglary and the guy waswearing like camo frog togs, had
some unique boots on.
We didn't know what the guy'sface looked like, but he was

(58:16):
just a very unique individualyou could tell.
We were like, if we see thisguy out, we're going to spot him
a mile away.
So we get a noise complaint andJake, he shows up.
How did your encounter go withhim?
I wasn't there just yet.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Well, he was passed out in the truck, that's what it
was.
So I just went and knocked onthe window and he opened the
door and the first thing Ispotted was his boots.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah, that's when I hollered at you to come over.
I think on the radio you said8.32 with me you're going to
want to see this Just playinghis day.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
I think when Joey showed up, the exact same outfit
, I just pointed down at hisshoes and I was like he had the
same same did he have?
The same outfit on.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Yeah, the same frog talk same boots, everything
almost like he was about to godo it again.
He'd probably been wearing it,since Probably had been.
Could have been, but that wasjust one of them things where
that's probably the only trueinvestigation that I saw.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I remember an investigation that went quite
the opposite Overall.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So we had a guy you just knew it was him and he's
claiming that he just got out ofthe shower oh yeah, we can tell
that one so, joe, so it wasfrom the pursuit right yeah that
, okay, they started it, so joeynow that they went a pursuit,

(59:55):
joey doesn't start a pursuit.
We'll tell it how Joey doesn'tstart a pursuit because, we just
got a new pursuit policy so itwas like a big no-no to chase
things at this time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I had to go to the carpet a couple times on
this non-pursuit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, so this was a Joey non-pursuit.
He got really good atarticulating that it wasn't a
pursuit, so he had beenarticulating.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
I am not in pursuit.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
My lights and sirens are on, but I'm not in pursuit
At 90 miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
He's not in pursuit.
I'm not in pursuit, so he youcan tell it from there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
So I don't remember why I was trying to stop this
guy, but I can't remember thename of the streets now, anyways
it was a graveyard is where itended up, so I lit the dude up
on spring street and then heshoots up a I think it's martin
street and then takes a leftgoing towards the dead end of
the street.
I was like how you doingEverybody's like I'm not in

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pursuit, but he's going to thedead end of the street.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
I'm not in pursuit, but he's running, yeah, oh my
gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
So I think it was in a Jeep.
What was he driving?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
I still feel like I'm going to get caught in on the
office on the carpet on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
It on the carpet on this one.
It gets better.
It was a Tahoe.
It was a Tahoe, so he goes tothe end of that street and I was
in a cruiser like a charger atthe time.
I couldn't drive through thisfield that he went through.
I mean it looked like the Dukesof Hazzard for a minute.
I mean there was mud dust.
I was like I'm going to bailout here, I'm going to park here

(01:01:37):
, bail, because he couldn't gonowhere.
I mean it was woods, I mean hewould.
I think he ended up hitting atree or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
But so I bailed out on foot and he probably had a
what 100, 200 yard head startyeah, he had a good head, a real
good head, start on me and wasclose to his house yeah, he
bailed out and ran to this house, to where I don't remember how
we figured out he lived there.
It was his license plate.
It was registered to him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
So we do the surround and drown method on this house
and we're conversating on whatwe should do because we're
almost positive he ran insidethis house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
We're not 100% sure, but we're like he's winning this
house, were we not, were we not100%?

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
not you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
You seemed like you were 100, I would so I can't
remember inside I watched himrun around the front of the
house or something and I losthim.
Yeah, I can't remember exactly.
So I was like well, he raninside this house, so
everybody's there, a whole shiftthere, did so show up maybe I
don't know.
I don't know but, so we startcalling people out of the house

(01:02:39):
and there's this guy.
He comes out and I'm like hedid have the same.
Was he wearing the same coloredclothes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
They have the same name and they have well and.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
I can't remember.
I think he zoned in on thejeans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, it's the same pants hewas wearing.
Yeah, yeah, something was verysimilar.
This is where this story andthat story comes together,
because boots are what got thatguy caught.
Yeah.
However, the boots are what gotthis guy for us to be like ah,
that's not him yeah, that istrue.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Anyways, we this guy comes out of the house.
He's like what are you alldoing here?
I cuff him up immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I'm like you're caught, you're mine, and then I
mean Joey's, like I got him, Igot him, so we're pulling the
perimeter in yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Everybody's like who was it?
That found that, james, soeverybody's starting to yell on
the radio we got him.
You know, that just meanseverybody can come kind of yeah,
let your guard down a littlebit.
But james comes walking towardsthe house and the next door
neighbor's house yeah he looksover and he's what do you see?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
boots, or he saw.
Well, the guy was hiding underthe porch he was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
he seen a guy hiding under the porch and I mean, in
the heat of the moment, I I waslike, oh, shoot yeah, because we
have talked to this guy like adog, threw him in the back of
the car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I mean, read him the right act Joey's 100%, that's
him.
Yeah, that was him, and he'slike no, no.
I just got out of the shower.
I just got out of the shower.
It can't be me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I just got out of the shower I just got out of the
shower.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
It can't be me.
It was his son that it ended upbeing.
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Nothing like it.
When James finds the guy, Joeygoes and pulls this other guy
out of the car and he's got hisshoes on and it's super muddy
that night, Super muddy thatnight, and he's like, yeah, this
has got to be him.
And he's like I don't know whatthat is.
We look down and Joey looksdown with us and says, oh, his

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shoes are clean, yeah, yeah.
So then you start dusting himoff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Sorry about that.
The funnier part to it is Ican't remember exactly how it
took place.
I mean, the guy he was coolwith is after he found out why
we were doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Well, him and his son have the same exact name.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
They had the same name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
He wasn't supposed to be in his car?
No, and one of them just is ajunior.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Didn't he have?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
pills on him too, yes .

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
He had pills on him.
I mean it was a mess, butthat's just one of them things
where you don't really I forgotabout it.
I forgot about it too untiljust now.
That was one of them situationsthat you're like, I know.
I for sure got him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
You know you're 100% right and you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
You're 100% wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
That happened a couple of times, but not very
often.
I mean good thing we didn'thave to use no force on that guy
or anything.
Yeah, I am glad that he didn'tput up a fight and he was just
kind of rolling with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
So they were both kind of turds, but he was one of
those that still had respectfor law enforcement.
When we explained it, he waslike guys.
I get it.
He's like I know my yeah, I getit.
He's more mad at the sonBecause it was his vehicle and
totaled it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
That brings up another story.
I think you was, oh no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
You as a supervisor.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
I was out working FOT and what that means is you're
just out looking for.
I didn't like writing speedingtickets because they cost so
much.
Yeah, I mean.
I would write somebody'sseatbelts for the seatbelts were
my go-to and I'd set up onNorth Main Street, front of
Speedway or right beside it, not.
I mean, you could write 25seatbelts there on a good sunny
day in two hours, three hours,and that's what it took to get

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your overtime.
So I was up there writingseatbelts and there's this Jeep
went by driver and passenger noseatbelt.
Then, after it went by me, nolicense plate.
I said, oh boy, we called thatan eight-pounder.
You know you've hit your quotayou've hit your number of
citations.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
you got two hours right there.
Yeah, yeah, you've got twohours, so I pull out behind them
.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Keep in mind, I wasn't even supposed to be out.
I mean I could be out.
It was for FOT, I didn't takeany complaints or nothing like
that I pull out and the guy Imean it's an old Grand Cherokee,
I mean he mats it and no catconverter.
I mean it sounded awful, I meanjust holds it to the floor.
So I'm like this is interesting.

(01:07:21):
I turn my lights on.
I don't even think I hit mysiren until, uh, we turn off of
main street onto 16th streetright by the bakery and go down
towards the new road.
But on mill street I'm likethis guy ain't stopping, so I
yelled it.
I think it was you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Yeah, I was working the ship To authorize the
pursuit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Yeah, you did end up on the carpet on this and I'll
take the hit for that butanyways.
So I told T-Dot.
I was like this is what I gotno seatbelts, no tag.
He's refusing to stop, don'treally know any other details.
I was like do I got permissionto pursue?

(01:08:06):
And I think he was like yousaid no, or something like that.
I said negative.
Yeah, you said negative, whichdidn't hurt my feelings.
I knew we had protocol, butthis is when the pursuit policy
first went into effect so therewas a lot of gray area and there
was probably a delay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
I was probably like because I was on a complaint at
Tractor Supply, I remember me,and somebody was out on a call
and I'm listening to this,dealing with a shoplifter or
something that we had.
So I'm like we were working aninvestigation, it just didn't
meet the protocol.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
No, it wasn't in danger at that point.
So I didn't know.
And I mean the pursuit policywas new and there was nothing in
the pursuit policy thatspecified what to do after you
terminate the pursuit.
So I turned my lights off andwhatever, and I'm still chasing
this guy yeah I mean, I feellike I'm like well I've turned

(01:09:06):
my lights off in the back of mymind.
I'm like this guy's goingsomewhere I'm just gonna follow
him see where he's going, to seewhere he's going.
So we, we hit the new road, wego out to west 80.
There come out right by flavorrich or borden's dairy or
whatever it's called now hetakes a right going back towards

(01:09:28):
main street and he takes thatlittle shortcut road by, by post
, by, yeah, and he was driving Iwouldn't say within the law,
but he wasn't like crazyreckless driving.
Well, we get on North 25,heading north, and in front of
the BP I don't know what it'scalled now spur.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah it's a spur now.
I think In that straightstretch.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
I guess he noticed that I was still back there, not
pursuing, not pursuing, notpursuing 80 miles an hour.
No, there was a couple cars inbetween us at that point and he
hits the right shoulder, whichis gravel and floors it and he
loses control and he does acomplete 360 in that gravel lot

(01:10:16):
About hits like three or fourcars.
I think there was somebody evenoutside.
It was right there, right pastthe car wash, and I yelled at
you and I'm like this is what Igot.
Now he's about to kill three orfour people.
He's almost wrecked all this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I was like okay go ahead and you was like you're
authorized now.
So this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
I don't know if anybody really knows this, and I
do got respect for him when itcomes to this, so we turned down
that I can't remember the nameof the road the tunnel road.
We take a right there and Inoticed coming up behind me is a
Tahoe and it's black and I waslike that's the sheriff he's
getting in behind me is a Tahoeand it's black and I said that's
the sheriff, he's getting inbehind me and we go out um 34,

(01:11:02):
34 and the jeep takes a left onthis gravel road and then drives
into the field.
Well, I knew I couldn't go outin that field.
The sheriff, I mean son, he, he, he takes that left, hits the
field and then we actually endup back on 3434.
I stayed on the main road andwe chased that guy up into some

(01:11:23):
logging road in East Bernstadt.
Finally my cruiser got to whereit wouldn't go no more.
I thought I was going to haveto have a tow truck.
The sheriff, he went anddetained the guy.
And the sheriff, I mean he wentand detained the guy.
He never ran.
The only reason the boy ran, hewas a young kid, dakota.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I'm not going to say his last name.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
He didn't have a driver's license, that was it,
and I was like dude you were.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
He's a career turd now.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
But going back to that story, like when T-Dawdog
was chief and even when I workedunderneath the sheriff and
stuff, it made it fun to seeyour superiors out there in the
trenches with you.
Sometimes I mean, you didn'twant them out there all the time
because you think they waslooking for something to
discipline you on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
But Sometimes we just want to have fun.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I don't mean that toward you, Jack.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
You was my superior, but you knew what was going on.
I tell you back to that story.
When I got called in the carpetI was like we need to specify
on this pursuit and then we didLights off, go the other.
Did Like lights off go theother way, yeah that's.
That's what it came to, but wehad to have that amended in that

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policy, and and then I get it.
I get it from your side, I getit from from the administrative
side, oh yeah.
And Darrell was cool.
Darrell was cool with it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
He was Darrell was cool with it.
He was like we just, you know,it was more.
I think it was above his, hishead.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Yeah, because this was a KLC thing that came down
and we just like right then andthere and now.
I didn't get like ringed out ornothing, it was just like why,
what are we doing?
And I was like that's when weset the like if you're
terminated, that means if thepursuit is terminated, that

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means you go the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
There's a couple of policies that I would read in
depth, continuously.
With me being me, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Trying to find a loophole.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Finding the gray area .
Yeah, finding the gray area,especially because I mean you
all To make us work harder.
You all know, when somebody'srunning from you, there's
nothing more that you want to dothan catch that person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
No, and it's kind of a you know it's a catch 2020.
As far as is it worth it tochase this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Traffic and traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
But also you don't know who it is.
I mean, what if it's some?
Murderer or something thatyou're not and you just let them
go and then if that happensenough that you just back down
from a pursuit, it's going toget out.
It gets out that all you haveto do is run.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
So there's two big pursuits that happened that
caused that big change and oneof them and I'm, for it,
absolutely agree was pushingsomebody too hard in a fatal up
in Lexington.
I remember that Wrong waydriver Guess who.
Unit three was in that my niece.

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She was that car that got hitthat the people died in had just
passed her, oh wow, and she gothit and flipped up.
So I mean I'm like there'spersonal reasons.
You're like should we bechasing this Almost lost a niece
there, and if that car wouldn'thave passed she would have

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definitely been a victim.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
She was a victim but she probably wouldn't have lived
.
I know I sound like a rebel,but that was always in the back
of my head.
I mean, I can think of severaltimes where I was like there was
a couple of times I actuallyterminated on my own before
because it was just too crazy.
But then you've got to look atthe flip side of it.
I don't remember all theagencies Remember when the state

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police was in pursuit of thatcar coming south and at the 49
they wrecked it out or itstopped or whatever.
They found that the dead, thedead body yeah and they had no
idea.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
No, I mean so he just martyred somebody, stuffed her
in the trunk and was hidden.
Oh yeah, that was awful, yeah,I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
A lot of times you got people that's running.
You don't really know whatthey're running.
For Normal local folks it'sprobably because they've got a
warrant or whatever, but younever really know.
They're running for a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Some of it's stupid like no driver's license,
something like you're going toget a ticket, maybe go to jail,
maybe I mean, I told Dakota Iwas like Bub.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
I just wrote you a bunch of tickets.
You've been going home.
Now you're going to go sleep injail for six months.
That's just the way it was.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
I remember my first.
It might have been my first orsecond car, chase it was a
motorcycle on the I-75.
I pulled off, got on the 41.
It was northbound.
Spotted tried to stop it.
It hammered down, you knowtoying with me, because it could

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have ran off and left me thiscrock truck and I'm in a like a
oath to you know, crown of wickI wasn't gonna keep up with it.
Well, uh, hoghead wassupervisor and he is like we
don't chase motorcycles justyeah, it's a terminate your
pursuit.
Okay, I'm in no man's land, Ican't turn.
I got past.
Remember there used to be abreak at the 45 mile marker.

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We could turn around.
Well, I'm past that and MikeyHamlin was up there and he
continues the pursuit.
So we're heading towards the 49.
And they're asking on the radio.
Mike is like you got anybodywith you?
Yeah, tdot's still back there8.24?
.
And I was like, oh my God, soPaul Gantz is like you still

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back.
I said I'm just trying to get to49.
I said I'm not I'm running, mylights are off.
I don't think so, but I wasjust talking, I'm getting in
trouble.
But I did terminate at the 49,turn around and head back to
London.
That car chase went throughLexington.
I mean every agency.

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Rock Castle County got involved, state Police, of course, was
involved, madison County, berea,richmond, pd, lexington.
It went through everywhere.
It went there everywhere.
And I'm like from my stop youknow I just took out some
warrants on him for for fleeingand evading done in that Laurel.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
that brings up another memory and I don't know.
I remember who the supervisorwas, but it seemed like every
time Jake would take off workvacation days and he didn't take
off very much at all, but whenhe did, Just once a week.
No, I'm kidding, he had a bunch, but when he took off I should

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have.
Yeah, when he took off, it wasalways like I would.
Probably a good thing youdidn't.
In the long run you had to youhad to make sure, but I would
always try to take it.
I you had to make sure, but Iwould always try to take it.
I wouldn't go as hard.
I knew I didn't have a K-9available so I wouldn't really I

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would work, but I wouldn't pushit as hard as I normally do.
I turned on a car on.
Well, actually I didn't evenget turned on it.
I was on Bill George Road.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
No, I was working that night.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Were you out that night.
I thought you was off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
So we talked about that one, but let's hear your
perspective of it.
Wait, are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
the wreck.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yeah, so there was this car went by me and I'm like
gosh mighty, that sounds like agood one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
I thought you was off for some reason, but it just.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
I mean it said you can call it profile and whatever
, but it screamed that there wasgoing to be a gram or two in it
of meth and what that usuallyleads to if you can get them to
talk it's going to lead tosomething way bigger.
We didn't want the little fish,but we wanted to talk to them
is the best way I know how toexplain it.
So they drive past me, meetoncoming.

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I just hit my brakes and put itin reverse and was going to
turn around and go catch them.
Well, as I got turned around, Imean I'm getting on it pretty
good and I come around thiscurve and I'm like uh-oh, all I
seen was like smoke and it wasright at the.
I mean it was almost dark.
And then I got to look and I'mlike, oh God, they've raked.

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And I hadn't even like, I didn'teven know the tag number or
nothing.
They had was running from me,obviously, because I heard them
floor it as soon as I went past.
They went past me and seen mehit my brakes, but they had
wrapped a car around the treeand I still don't.
I still don't know for whatreason no, we never found

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anything?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
we didn't find nothing we knew who the guy was
he was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
He was.
I wouldn't say I'd known drugdealer, but he was in in the
works becoming one later on wefound that, but I have no idea.
And that up I mean well, it wasa really bad wreck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah, and they wrecked way before you even got
turned around on them.
Yeah, I mean, it was, it wasway, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
I hadn't even it was just one of those things where I
guess they wanted to get away.
Bad enough.
They got away, all right, theywent to Lexington.
It was bad.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
I got in a car chase that I was in one time.
Yeah, have you ever been there?
Yeah, Like I really wasn't.
I was on Fifth Street andsomebody ran the red light down
there at Mill Street.
So I'm on Fifth and Fifth andMill they're where the ambulance
service basically is I've got agreen and a car just blows

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through that red light rightthere.
I'm like, eh, so I'm like I'vegot to stop this one.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Everybody's looking at me, was that their red light
policy?

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
No, no, no, this was early in my career, I was still
a patrolman and I'd ran.
I just followed this car, sawit and it was moving pretty good
.
Then it goes through the littlestop sign, the four-way stop
there by Mill Street Park.
It just goes through that.
I said, well, I've got two.
Now he's.

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Obviously he was running fromme.
I just didn't, I wasn'tregistering, I was like there
was traffic, he wouldn't passnobody, but he was trying to.
You know, he didn't pat, hedidn't whip out and pass him by.
I haven't activated my lots atall.
I'm still I'm probably a couplehundred yards behind him trying
to.
You know, not really trying tocatch, but I'm gonna, I'm going

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to stop it when I get up therein the spot I want.
So we turn there at the bakery.
What is that up at, where itcuts back up there about the
18th Street or somewhere rightthere.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Pearl and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Yeah right there by the we turn at the bakery, the
front side, where it goes backthere, he turns out to head to
Main Street and there was a bigtruck that was back in the bread
truck right at their bakery andit was back in the trailer inn
right there.
So the road was blocked, he wasblocked and he got up there and
the truck wouldn't move becauseyou know he was trying to

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wiggle in there.
So he, he bails, and I'm likeat this point I'm like, well,
he's running from me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
So I just call out for him.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
I've been in a car chase for an hour without
knowing for a mile, without evenknowing he bails, takes off
running.
He goes towards the bakery.
I pop out and I just hollerfoot pursuit at the bakery and I
think H hump or somebody waswas the supervisor.

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He's like what do you got?
I'm like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
I think I was in a car chase.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
I don't know.
And now I'm in a foot pursuitfor for sure and he runs up,
goes behind the trailer.
I'm like my car door's wideopen so I start freaking.
So I get on the other side ofthe bakery or the trailer and
I'm like, oh crap, my car.
I see feet and I just crawlunderneath the trailer back to

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my car and shut it.
Well, there was a passenger, agirl, there with him.
I said you stay right here.
I said who is that and where'she going?
And she's like you know.
I don't know, so I start chasinghim towards like advance and
all that stuff right there, he'sgone.
By the time everybody's there,I'm like, oh yeah, I need to go
get her.
Well, I go back to get her.
She's gone, I just get back inmy car.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
You lost for sure I lost.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
I did have the you know, jumped out and we had the
dash cams back then Caught agreat picture of him and took it
to the jail.
It's like do you know who thisis?
Oh yeah, that's that.
So I just went and got awarrant on him but I was like
how stupid am I?
I was like I couldn't and I waslike I'm an idiot.

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I lost everybody.
But I did get him later on awarrant and came up Speaking of
losing everybody, that brings upanother good one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Do you remember the Finley's burglary?

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Where they took the machines.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
They took the machines and sold them.
At the skate rink.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
Yeah, the flatbed.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
They sold the flatbed .
So we get a call of somebodybreaking in.
They stole a bunch of stufffrom Finley's and I can't
remember the exact details on it, but we were down there
patrolling that area pretty hard.
I don't know if it was thatsame night or if it was the next
shift or what it was.
So I was in that area extrapatrolling and I see these kids

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they were you know that I callthem kids they were teenagers
and something led us to believethat it could have been
teenagers that done it, becausethere was a group of teenagers
in lily that was wreaking havocon a bunch of people's stuff.
They were stealing everything.
And you want to talk aboutfeeling defeated.
I I pull in this parking lot offinley's and there's probably

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10 kids, teenagers, and they allstart running and I'm like
which way do I go?
Which way do I?
So I chase after the one thatwas slowest, that fell and I
can't remember.
I start chasing after him andthen somebody else was pulling
in.
I was like grab that guy.
He's a heavy set kid.

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Yada, yada, yada picking on thefat kid, yeah, so somebody
detained that kid and then I wasin the woods chasing the other
one.
They dusted me.
I didn't find a single weatherone of them, other than the
chubby kid that face-planted inthe parking lot.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
You don't have to be the fastest.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I think there for a little while people were like
you don't have to outrun thecops, You're just going to
outrun the fat kids.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
They were like did this really happen?
And I was like, yeah, there'sbicycles all over the place.
I don't know, it's funny andthen, we seen it was just a
bunch of teenagers.
I don't even think they werelinked, but they just all booked
it.
I mean, as soon as I pulled theparking lot, I was like, well,
here, I got them because it wasdark area, you know, but I felt
defeated, I mean there was liketen of them.

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I lost every one of them and Ididn't like losing foot pursuits
.
I mean there is several.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
You remember when we used to work details at Finley?
Oh yeah, they had overtimedetails for us there for pulling
security.
So why that happened?
There was this kid.
His grandparents' mom droppedhim off at the Finley's and he,
for some reason he didn't haveenough money or something was

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playing got mad and he stormedout of Finley's and walked up to
where they had the job shop,which is all the same business,
the owners and stuff.
This kid walked up there andhad these grown adults
barricaded in because he waslike taking a stick and rocks
and throwing it at the glass.
Because he was like taking astick and rocks and throwing it

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at the glass, they're calling911, trying to get hit with a
rock.
He was wild.
So of course I show up.
I'm like what are you doing?
And he's like he whoops thatyou know wheels around with the
rock and I'm like I just knockit out of his hand and he falls
down.
Of course I'm like he'sprobably 12, 10 or 12.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Those are the worst.
Oh, it's horrible and I'm likeyou don't know what to do.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
So I'm like trying to get him up, he's I mean
fighting, throwing hands,whooping me.
I'm like what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
It's like fighting Joey.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
So the mom and grandpa get there and I've got
this kid down.
I was like he's you knowthey're threatening to sue and
all this stuff because I've gotthis kid, like trying to hold
him, keep him there.
He spits on me and not just onme, down my throat, he caught me
good and I'm like at that pointI'm like I see red and I'm like

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at that point I'm like I seered and I'm not mad at him.
I'm like, alright, I'm ready tofight mom, grandpa at this time,
and I'm like I'll lose it.
I'm like this is, I can't whoophim, but I can whoop both of
you all.
And I was like, oh man, Italked badly and I said he's
never back up here and you allain't either.

(01:28:37):
Well, well, I was like, did younot just say yeah, well, you
know, they kind of felt bad.
Then I mean, I was like he gaveme.
He gave me a mouthful.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
I've never been spit on like that and I was like
juveniles are weird because youdon't want Throw cuffs on them
because there are so many strictlaws.
I didn't know all the laws.
I hate juveniles.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
I know a little more, but the age pays a lot.
Well, is it 11?

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
If they're, 11 and under.
You can't even there's not evenCDW won't even take them.
No, they won't touch them.
You can't even charge themanything.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
I was like, oh my gosh, what have I done?
I'll tell a quick story onspeaking of car chases and
carrying on.
This is way back.
Me and Sam Davidson wereworking and it was day shift and
Doug Gregory was the supervisor, so you had everybody, all the

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command staff, and Doug was thesergeant, and they were building
Randolph's over there atShiloh's they were doing
construction.
It was a bit a while ago.
It was cold out.
This guy, the constructionpeople I'm talking like 20
degrees and under this guy wasin this car or in a van.

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He was sitting there slumpedover at the wheel.
They thought man, this guy'sfrozen to death in this car or
in a van.
And he was sitting thereslumped over at the wheel.
So they thought, man, thisguy's frozen to death in this
van.
It wasn't running.
So I go over there and I startbeating on the window like you,
okay, because I couldn't see onthe passenger side.
He's parked pretty close tothem, to the wall of shallows.
So I'm like I'm squeeze inthere and I'm like banging on
the door.
I'm like, oh, no, I'm on it.

(01:30:19):
So I'd already called like, hey, get me an ambulance or
something.
I don't know what I got.
Well, he comes to, he looksover at me.
He said why, why, you won't.
And I'm like you, okay, I'mfiring up the car and I'm in
between it and he's on ice witha flat tire.
So I'm like whoa.
So I'm like he starts and hestarts spinning.

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I'm like I'm dead.
So I get out of there and Icall him.
I'm like he's awake and he'strying to run off.
He's like I ain't stopping forno security guard.
I said okay.
I said are you okay?
Just stop the car.
I'm just checking on you, I'mnot stopping for you.
So he'd get going a little.

(01:31:01):
You know about 10, 15 feet, geton the ice again.
His flat tire starts spinningagain.
I ran up there to him Stop, sir.
I'm just what are you doing?
Oh, get out of my way.
I ain't stopping for nosecurity guard.
I'm like I'm not, I'm thepolice.
Ah, you ain't the police.
I was like okay.
He said I'll only stop for genehall and I was like let me get

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me gene hall the sheriff.
He goes he gets traction againand goes up another 15 feet.
I'm chasing back up there anddoug's like.
He said are you in, what areyou doing?
I said he won't stop for me.
He said you in, you in pursuit,like car chase.
I was like on the radio.
I'm like I don't know, I'mrunning on foot.

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He's like well, call it.
I said I'm not calling this.
You know you had to call apursuit.
If you're in pursuit, I'm likeI don't, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
I it's not really, yeah, not really a pursuit so I
chase this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
He get start spinning for like a hundred yards.
So I ran back, got my car, cameback up and I I was just going
to try to drag him out and hedrove that window down about
half way just to cuss at me andI every time I'd swing gonna
swing my baton to bust thewindow out.
He'd stick his face in thewindow.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
I was like you turd.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
I'd smack it just to you know, I'm like I'll pop it
and he'll back up and then I'lltake a good swap at it.
Oh man, so he got traction, weget.
I'm finally get back to my car,chase him.
We go around the corner.
This pursuit lasts like 20minutes and we went from
Shiloh's back around to FaithAssembly Road, where Cheddar's
and stuff is all the way backover to that little gas station

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that's on the same side of theroad in like 20 minutes.
Oh my gosh, it's the longestpursuit I've ever been in at the
time and we hadn't went a mileor we hadn't went about 400 feet
and finally a constable Brumit,remember that he came up.

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He's wearing like a brownuniform.
I said there's Gene Hollandright there, the guy gets out.
He said'd you call me that forBecause at the time the Brummets
, they were Button heads, buttonheads a little bit back in the
day running elections.
He said don't you ever call methat.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
The guy came out.

Speaker 6 (01:33:29):
I said hey, it worked .

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
Yeah, it worked.
I was like 20-minute pursuitSeriously went maybe a quarter
mile by the time he went up andaround.
I was like Lord, have mercy andI could have walked the whole
time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
That brings back the interstate pursuit the lady oh
yeah, so I was at the sheriff'soffice this time we get a call.
It was like 7 o'clock in themorning.
I was on day shifts forwhatever reason for a month or
so during that stint and Icalled 10-8.

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Nothing happened and everybodyknows.
You know, in between 6 am whenyou come out until 9 or 10, we
didn't do a whole lot.
We would respond to our alarmsregs, whatever it was, because I
mean, most of the time it wasjust people going to work.
You didn't want to mess withthose people.
All the dopers were in bed,there wasn't much going on.
Well, I get a call of anon-injury wreck on.

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The interstate is northbound, Idon't remember what mile marker
43, 44 mile marker, and thisduring this time they were doing
construction, so it was justbarrier walls and the complaint
was the lady is 45 doubt, whichis wrecked but not hurt.
She's up against the insidebarrier wall.

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So I just mosey out there.
I don't think I was even, Idon't remember.
It may have been a 46 withinjury or whatever.
But I go out there and I pullup behind her and a tow truck
driver comes up.
He's like dude, I don't knowwhat's wrong with this girl, but
she will not get out of the carand I was like that's strange.

(01:35:21):
So I walk up to her at first.
You know the first thing youthink of.
Well, there's somethingmedically going on with her.
I walk up to the passengerwindow because her driver's door
was touching the barrier walland I noticed both of her tires
were blown out later on, but Iknew I could see the front
passenger's hair was blown outand I motioned for her.
I'm like, roll the window downand she, she didn't roll the

(01:35:42):
window down she just looked atme and then I was like ma'am,
step out of here, crawl over thecenter console.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
And she flips me off, give me that good old gesture.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
And I was like well, that's not very nice of you I
didn't say that, but that's justwhat I was thinking.
And as soon as she flips, meoff.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
What he said was a whole lot different.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Yeah, it could have been.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
I don't remember Plausible now maybe.
Well, I can't believe thatnerve in you.
Yeah, that's not veryChristian-like.
No, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
But anyway, as soon as she flipped me off she put
that thing in drive.
It was still running.
It floors it.
Well, she didn't make it veryfar.
I mean she had two flat tires.
So I run back to my cruiser,get in it and I guess I think I
radioed in.
I was like London, I think I'min pursuit.
They're like, aren't you onscene of a wreck?

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And I said, yeah, I was thedriver, decided just to drive
off on me.
I said she's got two flat tiresand it had the interstate shut
down just because there wasnowhere for people to go.
I think the fire trucks orsomebody had the lane blocked.
Imagine that, yeah, so wetraveled for about a quarter of

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a mile and she stopped.
Safety first she stopped and Iwas like, hmm Well, she's giving
up.
And at this time you know Icould get to the driver's door.
I run up and I try to open thedoor.
Nothing is locked.
So I go to pull up my baton tobust it and she floors it again.
I'm like gosh, I'm out of here,we go.
I run back to my car.

(01:37:19):
I was like london, I'm back inpursuit.
She stopped for a minute.
We're continuing on.
Another quarter mile goes by,she stops again and it's like
she was like just giving up.
So I ran up to the window.
I tell her get out of the carone time she doesn't.
I bust the window with my baton.
I think I even dropped it afterI busted the window.
Like I busted the window,dropped my baton, was going to

(01:37:41):
rip her out and uh, she floorsit again as I was reaching in to
open the door.
So I chase her another quarterof a mile, half mile.
She stops again.
I'm like what in the world?
I was like I gotta find a wayto end this.
This is just annoying.
It wasn't fast, like she'd bedriving 20 miles an hour.
Stop again.

(01:38:02):
I ran up to her and at that timeI opened the door and I was
reaching in to to grab the backof her head.
I was gonna try to straight arm, bar her down.
Couldn't do it.
She floored it again.
And then the tow truck driver.
I'm not going to mention anynames, but it's a little bit
crazy of him.
But I respect him for this.
We're.
We're going 20 miles an hour.

(01:38:23):
He flies by me and gets infront of her and slows down and
pretty much blocks her in.
I was the only unit there and Idon't know if anybody's even
coming to me maybe been whoknows.
Uh, so he, this lady, rear endshim and then I finally run up.
I'm like she ain't goingnowhere.

(01:38:44):
I I pushed my car up to whereshe couldn't back up.
If she did, it wasn't going tobe very far run up to the window
and I'm giving her commands getout of the vehicle.
All this.
At that point I was prettyfurious, like I was like this
has got to stop.
This is ridiculous.
She ain't going to get awayfrom us.
She definitely couldn't runvery far just by looking at her.
Uh, and I, as I was reaching into grab the keys out of the

(01:39:08):
ignition, she throws it inreverse and backs up, slams into
my cruiser and then finally andit's on video, I think it went,
did it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
go viral.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
It was on yeah, it was on the news yeah the video.
So this brit, these gentlemenin bread truck, they, they were
pulled up beside and they, theygot it all on video um me trying
to wrangle this lady joeyhanged off his woman's arms like
an orangutan.
Oh, I've got it, it's it.
It's kind of embarrassing on mypart, but it's funny now.

(01:39:41):
Uh, but I try to.
I try to pull her out and she'sa big lady, like sitting in the
car.
You never really know how bigthey are, but when she got out
she was taller than me, biggerthan me and I was always
climbing on her like a junglegym well, I forgot, I did tase
her and when I tased her, oh mygosh, she yelled out that belt.
You know, I'm talking about justscreaming.

(01:40:03):
And finally I was able.
I'm sorry I was able to get herout of the vehicle and I was
trying to take her to the ground.
Well, I couldn't.
She was too big, I could notget her down.
She's way bigger than me.
So I just pinned her up and youcould see on this video these
bread guys could not get herdown.
She was way bigger than me.
So I just pinned her up and youcould see on this video these
bread guys.
Once I get her out of the carand they yell you good, and I

(01:40:24):
don't think I answered.
I was still dealing, I didn'teven know.
They videoed and they're likeyou have a good one.
They just floor it off.
The video makes it funny Gooddeal.
You don't see all of thecontent in the video they video,
but it was just one of thosethings.
You go to the normal wreck andit just explodes into a

(01:40:44):
catastrophe.
Nothing, that's awesome andthat's how I mean.
Looking back on it now, I'mlike how in the world did I not
get hurt real bad, I mean justit's like funny what and there
was times where I questionedwhat have I, what have I done to
deserve this?

(01:41:05):
we questioned that a lot too.
It was just.
It was to the point that we'relike it was fun at first, but it
was like the worst part aboutit was the paperwork oh, oh,
yeah, that's always the worst.
I was just like gosh almighty Ijust want to go out, find some
drugs and go home, that was my,I mean, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Like I said, dope head mentality.
He's got meth brain.
Yeah, I just want to get out,find some drugs, go home.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Yeah, I don't want to do any paperwork, a little few
catalytic converters while I I'mout.
You wrote some good paper,though you did do good case work
.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I tried to do.
He did there at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
At the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
your case work Well he got more into that federal
side trying to make stuff lookgood in federal court.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
And we were all like God, we're writing like one-page
cases and he's got 24 pages.
It's never fun when, like I,had a case that went you know
that the ATF was adopting andthey're like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
That's when you get nervous.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
Yeah, you're like sit down with them and they're like
I've read your case report.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
It's not, let's do this.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Yeah, let me give you a crash course on how to write
a letter.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Yeah, let's start you off on Hooked on Phonics.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
Well, I was never back in the day when you had to
handwrite cases on those forms.
I was never some words in mylittle pocket dictionary or
spell checker didn't count.
I don't know how many times JoeSmith would have one of mine
with highlighters up on thebulletin board pinned in.

(01:42:37):
I'm like what?
Like the time I wrote flagpoleand something happened and I put
fagpole which was an honestmistake.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
But a pretty bad one.
You can't leave out the L's.
No, those are important L's.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
Let's not send that through the court.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
And then the one I have which spelled the like a
like, not which way, like likesandy ith like a, like a those
make uh yeah, those make forthat was a tim smallwood found
that one and gave me absolutegrief.
I was like, oh, that's funny,y'all didn't hire me here for so

(01:43:15):
thank goodness it went to.
The Kentucky Ops came aroundand spellchecked for me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Well, if any of us were smart anyways, we would
have never chosen that careerpath.
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
And that's what got me writing better cases when I
felt defeated in federal court.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
Yeah, they'll humble you it must.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I mean I'd wrote a decent case but I got beat,
probably because of my case.
Yeah, I only had one page.
And then after that I said no,the more detail the better.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
It's not documented.
It didn't happen.
The.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
ATF agent Todd.
You all know he was the onethat was handling the case and
he was like, and it was great, Imean my case was fine for state
court.
But he's like, hey, and hetaught me something as far as
bullet pointing, that stuff, andI was like, ah, so I adopted
that and my cases became moreorganized with that Not just put

(01:44:11):
your thought patterns down, itwas pretty humbling though, but
I'd been in place for like 9 or10 years before that happened,
so I was like, oh, I wonder whatthe lawyers really thought
about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Let's get into Summer of the Squad hijinks and stuff.
Before we wrap all this up, wetalked about it how we did a lot
of search warrants but we did alot of due diligence with it,
and what I mean by that is itwas a lot of times we would be
working on a house that wewanted to hit.

(01:44:47):
It would be a week or twobefore we ever actually got to
hit it, but we was collectingour intel and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Hiding in the bushes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Yeah, hiding in the bushes and sometimes collecting
intel didn't always go the wayyou wanted it to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
No, no, most definitely Go ahead.
So we were staking out thishouse.
We, I mean, it was for sure, Iwouldn't say a high-end dealer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
No, he was low, but he was one of those that every
time we tried to hit him he ranoff on us, or?

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
got away somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
He was a menace he was a menace, so he just became
a target.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Yeah, and we went out there several times for
complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
The grandma or the mom would call us.
He terrorized his grandma.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, it was just the guy needed to be in jail.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
Yes, grandma.
Yeah, it was just the guyneeded to be in jail.
Yes, and I still agree withthat.
No matter what he needed tolive in jail.
Um, just from, I can't disclosea lot of what happened, but he
was not a good person.
No, especially to his grandmaand mom.
But anyways, we were stakingout this house.
We knew he pushed a little youknow dope here and there would
sell.
What do you call it?
Peddling?

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
yeah, you could tell we had a warrant too, I think he
had a warrant at this time healways did, yeah, we we'd
searched him up and he actuallyhad an active warrant at this
time.
So we was, but he always ran.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Yeah, we never he and he was smart about it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
He had cameras and stuff set up, so he was always
kind of a step ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Didn't he have that hatch in the floor, or was that
a different one?

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
I think he did have one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Yeah, yeah, it was a he would a little escape to get
into the back of that yes, yeahhe.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
I mean he was neat.
I wouldn't say he's thesmartest, but he was nipped a
lot better than what we, orwe're used to deal with clever
yeah, so I'm laying in thebushes um watching him, probably
100 yards out, and it was cold,it was winter time.
I remember that I bundled up, Ihad all my gloves and I
couldn't move very good.
So I was like if I get footpursued of somebody right now, I

(01:46:43):
ain't going to make it.
I had 60 pounds of clothes onand I noticed you know, was I
talking to you on the radio.

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
We wouldn't use our radios, no, we were talking on
the phone, we were whispering,we were texting because I was
close enough that I didn't wantto talk.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Being sneak, Yep.
That reminds me of anotherstory that freaked me out.
But anyway, I was laying in thebushes and I noticed I heard a
little noise and I was like whatis that?
Is that an animal?

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
And where I was laying, like it wasn't the
average path that any humanwould take.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
It was like a woodland, like the back wouldn't
it like the backyard in thebackyard and I noticed, like I
seen, and after I was likethat's not an animal, that's a
person.
I I was watching him and and hewas walking right towards me.
I was like, oh, shoot, like,what am I going to do?
My killing seat is not enough.
No, I just had like you knowthose black PD jackets, they

(01:47:47):
make noise windbreaker, so I waslike this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
You had all the shells on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Yeah, he had corduroy pants on.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
I might have had those winter pants on that were
waterproof, I can't remember,but anyways, they were like
windbreaker too, um, but I waslaying there and I he just kept
getting closer and closer.
I was like holy shoot, what amI gonna do?
And at the time, like I didn'thave my radio on because, you
know, I'd like blink that redand green light and I was like I
don't want to get my cover up.
So I was like I've got to makea decision.
He's about to walk up on me andliterally I can't remember if

(01:48:27):
he came around the corner and Iseen him or he seen me, but we
scared each other.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
He scared me and I think I scared him at any other
time this cat would have, hewould have been gone and he
bolted I was.
That's a notorious runneranyway yes, yeah, he had rabbit,
oh I know, yeah, barbara, Icalled him, I called him, yeah,
but so, anyways, he walked rightup and we up, and he got close

(01:48:57):
enough to me.
I just shot him off the side.
So I said, please get down onthe ground.
For once in his life he actuallylistened.
And I get him cuffed up.
He didn't run, didn't struggleor nothing.
I knew it was him for sure,because there ain't nobody else
in that area that acts like himor even looks like him.
And I get on the radio and Iwas like I can't remember what I

(01:49:18):
said.

Speaker 6 (01:49:18):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
remember what I said.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
I got him yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
It was something all snide.
Yeah, I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
I got him.
You're something great.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Very arrogant.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yeah, very, yeah, I was and everybody was like what
do you think Cause this wasgonna be a fun operation, and it
just it sucked, we got we tookthe foot out

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
we were wanting to, you know, kick the door and do
all you know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
Yeah, we were trying to build enough evidence here,
joey takes the foot all out ofit for a search warrant.
That's what we were trying toget to, but it was a complete
accident.
How that and that reminds meanother time.
Well, there's two more.
Whenever I was laying in theweeds, we were watching the dope
house.
It was me, by myself.

(01:50:05):
Same situation this time.
It was like real late in theevening, but it wasn't dark, and
I was over a bluff and thetrailer was up on the hill and I
was hiding behind the tree andI can't remember what kind of
creature it was.
I can't remember if it was asnake.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Was it a bandicoot or a big?

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
spider, notorious bandicoot.
But I was laying there tryingto be all cool and I had my
little.
I had my phone out, brightnesswas turned all the way down.
I was taking notes of vehiclescoming in and out and something
crawled across my arm and Idon't think I blew my cover, but
it and I don't think I blew mycover, but my whole being cool

(01:50:47):
and tactical went out the windowbecause it's hard to be Steffi
when you've got a snake crawlingacross your arm.
Yeah, it was and I still don'tknow what happened to it.
I threw my phone up and Tube ofcoverage.
I went crazy trying to get awayfrom it.
And then I just went back tothe car and I was like I think I

(01:51:08):
sent you all a text.
I was like, no, that failed.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
There's a creature crawled on me.

Speaker 6 (01:51:14):
I'm not going back.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
Yeah, we ended up taking that guy down, but we
went a different method, just atraffic stop.
Yeah, let's play this one city.

(01:51:44):
That brings up the nextstakeout adventure.
I can't remember the streetname I've lost.
I don't remember any of thestreets anymore.
I wish I could.
But anyways, we were in townand it was Logan had called and
he was like we've got quite abit of intel.
You care to come out?
I wasn't on your shift yet, Idon't think.

(01:52:06):
or maybe I was and logan was onthe other shift and he come one
of the two, something hadhappened and, uh, we were here's
, me and logan, we were layingin this guy's backyard and it
was, I mean, right at the breakof dark and we were calling out
people, um, that was walkingfrom the house.

(01:52:27):
There was a lot of foot trafficbecause it was in an area where
there's apartments around andwhatever.
We were calling out peopleleaving.
Our goal was, you know, we weregoing to stop a couple of those
foot traffic people get enoughto build probable cause from
them leaving that residence, andthen we were going to get a
search warrant.
Um, and we done that we caughtthree or four people.

(01:52:48):
But the craziest thing, when Iwas laying in this guy's
backyard and we done it for twohours, uh, this guy, this old
man comes out.
Who the heck's on my property?
He wasn't saying that he wascussing and we were like because
we were in our uniforms but wehad jackets on and you couldn't

(01:53:11):
see your step back.
Yeah, um you couldn't reallytell who we were.
I think logan ran up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
He's like where the police you all carry, and that
guy was like he.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
He came and snuck out there and brought us water.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
He was so happy.
Yeah, he didn't want to go.
He's like thank God.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Once he found out what he was doing, but he'd come
out raging.
Well, I don't blame him,because he's you know you stole
them dopers.
He was in that area where youknow he didn't want the people
to be there.
The dope house across thestreet was killing him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Yeah, he said he was even talking about his property
value after we kicked the door,but that was one of the things
where it could have.
We probably should have toldhim we was in his backyard, but
yeah, yeah it's hard, yeah itworked out.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Yeah, it did we ended up funny.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
We, uh, we had another one um and there's two
more that I'm.
I'm thinking of um, with uscollecting all this intel we
would get.
We would get a lot of intel andsometimes Joey would come off
with some intel that would justbe like off the wall and we'd be
like that's bull crap.
Joey, you can't believe that.
I bleed to everybody, he gotthat intel from Danny.

(01:54:17):
Robinson.

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
Yes, here's what I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
So the intel that he had got one day and we'd been
hitting these poker machines andthese dope dealers at the poker
machines.
I mean, we were hitting themhard.
And he got some intel that he'slike, listen, there's a woman
that's selling out of this onepoker machine or she's bouncing
around to them and she has acalling sign when she's in

(01:54:46):
business and she sets a rollerskate out on one of the pumps.
And I was like Joey, that isthe dumbest thing I've ever
heard in my life.
I do remember this one.
And so you know it's a coupleof days later.
You know we've still got thatintel and we're like you know,
even though it sounds crazy,we're still got that intel.
And we're like you know, eventhough it sounds crazy, we're
still still looking for it.
So I can't remember if it waslogan's stop or your stop it was

(01:55:08):
logan's it was logan's stopyeah okay, well, you go ahead,
because you're the one thatalmost got got hit in the face
with it I remember we had yeah,we had heard about it, and logan
called me one night.

Speaker 6 (01:55:21):
He's like there's a roller skate down here off 4th
Street on the gas pump.
I'm like what All?

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:28):
Obviously sailing, yeah, it's true.
Well, she leaves a little whilelater.
Logan stops her.
So I was close so I went aheadand went out there with him.
He gets this little scrawnygirl out and I'm back there just
chit-chatting with her whilehe's searching the car.

(01:55:49):
Well, I'm not really payingattention, I'm kind of looking
through her purse she gave mepermission to look through it
and I see I thought it was abaseball Flies right past my
face and lands in the grassbehind me and I turn around and
it is.
I mean, it's probably the sizeof a softball, it's like a half
pound, a bag of meth.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I was like what are youturn to her?
I was like what are you doing?

(01:56:10):
He's like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
These ain't my pants.
I go to cut her up.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
She's like I'm sorry, I was like where rid of it that
?
Was the dumbest thing I've everseen in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Yeah, she almost hit me in the face with a half pound
of meth.
And searching the car.
Sure enough, that roller skatewas in there.
She took it with her.

Speaker 6 (01:56:31):
Yeah, she had it in the back window of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
It was completely true.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Everybody doubted me.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
And that happened a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
Doubting you, they shouldn't doubt you.
After that I and that happeneda lot Doubting you, they
shouldn't doubt you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
after that I wouldn't say they doubted me, but they
were just like.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
Your intel was probably just stuff that nobody
ever heard of.
Exactly Like a roller skate, itwas Well it was that.

Speaker 6 (01:56:52):
And then sometimes he'd sit out on the interstate
and I'd go out there andtwo-wheel with him while he's
watching traffic, and there atthe beginning he'd be like
there's a dove in that car, I'dbe like whatever Joey, and he'd
stop it.
Half hour later he's sending mepictures of a pound of meth.
I'm like what in the world?

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
It's like it almost glowed, like the car would go by
and you'd be like I know theygive tales.
I worked in addiction for acouple years on the team and you
can't hide your if you go byand you're unless you're
listening to a serious, like acomedy channel go on by and all

(01:57:35):
of a sudden just start laughing.
You can't hide.
You're so amped up that thoseemotions and those that comes
out, yeah, you can't hide behindthem.
A post enough.

Speaker 4 (01:57:48):
You can't you know?
That was just different.

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
Secrets was always.
That was just different things,man, and I remember the
telltale If they had a Bible ortwo or three in their windshield
.
You know, you're like Playstickers, yeah crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:58:02):
Know you're like Play stickers, yeah crazy stuff that
you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
We're not trying to give away nothing because
they're still going to do it now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
I mean, there's a song made of it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Yeah, you cannot.
You cannot when you're nervousand you see a cruiser or
something sitting on the side ofthe road.
You can't fight your emotionsand your fear.
It takes over.
The easiest emotion to fake islaughter.
Yeah, and you're like huh,that's a funny joke by yourself

(01:58:32):
there, huh.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Well that brings me backwhenever I was working the
interstate.
Every night you would see me atthe bottom of the me and James
usually, and then Flash wouldcome down there and hang out
with us, and then up on thebridge would be Jake.

Speaker 5 (01:58:51):
He would just sit there Giving his dog a break
because he's getting ready toget hurt.

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
Well, it got to the point if Joey caught out on a
stop, I'd just drive that way.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Yeah, that's what would happen.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
And I'm not saying every one of them were good, but
I'll never forget my first trueinterdiction stop.
That wasn't a whisper, itwasn't.
Little is me and James and youwere working, but I think I'd
stopped like 20 cars that nightand you'd finally been like I'm
going to get something to drinkor going to the PD for a for a

(01:59:25):
minute gotta go get a red bull.
Yeah, it was when something youknow.
So we get out there.
Um, I stopped this car andright off the bat, I'm like this
, is it like I just felt it Idon't know what you know.
Obviously I had very littletraining at that point, but I
kind of knew what I was doingand me and james we searched

(01:59:47):
that car gosh, I don't know.
We I searched it, jamessearched it, and I'm like it's
here, we got.
I know it's here, we got tofind it.
And I think james is kind ofdoubting at that point and I
don't blame him, you know and Iwas like I going to search it
one more time and I'll neverforget we were in the trunk area

(02:00:08):
searching it for the last time.
I was like if we don't findnothing this round, we're just
going to kick them loose andwhatever.
And in the back trunk was a bigold square-looking object
wrapped in duct tape that washid underneath the carpet and
I'm like they done it up so goodof a night time.

(02:00:29):
It was hard to tell if it wasfactory, that's how good it
looked.
And then finally we, I pull itout and I'm like James detainer,
he detained the lady and youshould have seen this.
We was like two kids.
I mean, there was no betterfeeling.
I was unraveling that.
And halfway through unraveling,james was like you think we

(02:00:50):
should get some Narcan.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
I was like, nah, it'll be all right, I just kept
going.

Speaker 4 (02:00:56):
And we still didn't know.
There was probably a whole rollof black duct tape wrapped
around this and we, finally wefound it, and then I sent you a
picture of it.
I was like got one.

Speaker 6 (02:01:08):
Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, I've still got it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
It was just like from there on out, it was like
addiction.
Oh yeah, I wanted to find thatnext big one.
I wanted it bigger and biggerand bigger.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
We had a pretty good operation one night too.
We that started out as a littlejust showing how, how we worked
things as a little fish.
Yes, it started out one of themost most fun operations that I
oh yeah, that way I forgot aboutthat.

Speaker 5 (02:01:35):
I tell you we're a weird interdiction.
Stop we, me and the team I wason, j MacMac, landry and some
CVE guys other than Landry wewere setting up on on Parkway
where they were going to buildthat track.
You remember that up there atthat turnaround and we were

(02:01:57):
sitting there and night shiftthat came out from the PD was
working with us.
We were having a good time.
I think we maybe started roadchecking with them and night
shift that came out from the PDwas working with us.
Hump Gregory was there.
We were having a good time.
I think we maybe started roadchecking with them and this car
comes up.
We find a package.
We're like it's it.
So we send it off to the lab,not knowing what we had exactly.

(02:02:17):
It came back it was just somekind of sand.
We thought it was like heroinInside.
That sand was a curse ofwhoever found that.
Like the interdiction teams andI was like I didn't find it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
I mean a lot of your they would do that stuff big
narcotics we started seeingstuff labeled there at the end.
It was wild.

Speaker 5 (02:02:41):
I was like I didn't find that.
Good job, doug.
We started seeing stuff labeledthere at the end.

Speaker 6 (02:02:44):
It was wild, I was like I didn't find that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Good job, doug, where did?

Speaker 4 (02:02:52):
Mary start Me, was it ?

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
behind the BP.
Yeah, it started with that,because it was me and you on
that traffic.

Speaker 4 (02:02:58):
stop that was a lengthy investigation.
Was it two weeks?
It was Well, yeah, it ended upgoing, I going.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
I remember that bigger and bigger and bigger and
it turned, was that the sameone that ended up with five
pounds?

Speaker 4 (02:03:11):
yeah, yes, and all of that came, so six pounds six
pounds of dope came out of thatno, it was more than that.
Uh, because it ended upbleeding us wet Clay County and
they found I don't remember itstarted out as it was two
homeless, they were homeless, orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
Camping out in their car Truck stop yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
And it wasn't her that we bought.
It was some users that wereliving at the truck stop and
they gave me information and,just like you said earlier,
everybody's like you'll nevertalk to those people again.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Yeah we didn't have a whole lot, I mean you can't
trust a dope head.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
I trusted him Every now and then.
I mean, you can run with it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
But as we know from some of our you know our buy
bust experiences, it doesn'talways work.

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
They're slippery.
What's the most dope you'veseen?

Speaker 6 (02:04:06):
Like slippery, what's the most?
What's the most dope you'veseen, like marijuana, meth.
We went to house one night.

Speaker 4 (02:04:10):
I don't remember why we were there, I don't know what
, but it was 20 20 pounds ofmarijuana I saw, then we seen, I
seen, was it 30 pounds of meth.

Speaker 6 (02:04:22):
Golly, I've never seen that.
Most I've seen that had to bewith high.

Speaker 5 (02:04:26):
Yeah, it was so some units out in Bowling Green.
They had a team out there,those CVE guys.
Those KVE guys had aninterdiction everywhere.
Good.
Good at what they did becausethey could get in big trucks
that we can't.
We couldn't get in Good.
Good at what they do becausethey can get in big trucks that
we can't.
We couldn't get in.
And Jason, I was at a churchpicnic.

(02:04:48):
J-mac calls me.
He's like you want to ride toBowling Green?
I said not really Because Iwasn't quite on the team yet.
I was starting like that Monday.
This was on my Sunday.
I'm like, oh gosh, really, I'mat a church picnic there.
They were doing big hog on thespit.
Yeah, I was like man.
He's like no, you need to seethis.

(02:05:08):
You're like welcome to the teamgo to work.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Yeah, we drove out there.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
They already had it stopped, pulled in a warehouse
somewhere like at the.
There's a bottling companyright there off of the X you
know, pretty close to like SmithGrove, and there's a Pepsi
plant right right there, off ofthe, pretty close to Smith Grove
.
There's a Pepsi plant rightthere they had it over there
getting their buckies and we was.
They cracked that thing open.
It didn't even smell like it,but there was 1500 pounds of

(02:05:35):
marijuana on that truck jeezjust compressed and he was like
this is what we're lookingfor set the standard of like uh,
yeah, I was like this is whatwe're looking for.
Set the standard of like oh, Iwas like, okay, it's a pretty
low bar.

Speaker 6 (02:05:48):
My announce was a lot yeah, no joke.
That's what I was used to.
I was like oh.

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I got a seed out of your console here.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
You're going to jail.
We talked about this last timeI was here, which it didn't get
put in, but know now, with mynew job I travel all over pretty
much the eastern part of the USand selling dope.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
I sell something, but it ain't dope just as bad for
you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:17):
It's medicine, yeah big, big pharma, but so still,
to this day, the only team thatI've seen and it I've got mixed
emotions.
I understand it in a roundaboutway.
The only team I've seen out isthe Richmond guys.
Yeah, and I mean I'm travelingright whenever you know the guys

(02:06:40):
that's training their addiction, right when they should be out.
I mean, for instance, last weekI never seen one single cop.

Speaker 5 (02:06:48):
I don't know what's changed, if they're working at
more intel side or if it's morebut used to.
If you went down to say youdrove to Florida or something,
you would see a team or two inTennessee.
You'd see three or four teamsin Georgia.
You'd see them in Florida.
You're like I know what they'redoing.

Speaker 6 (02:07:08):
Right Kentucky line too.

Speaker 4 (02:07:11):
I drive all those routes like down 40, 65.
All of the major highwayscoming in.

Speaker 5 (02:07:18):
I've never I don't blame them.
You can't search like we usedto the federal laws.

Speaker 4 (02:07:25):
changed the laws have changed so much and then
finding, you know, with all theI wouldn't say hatred, but the
way that people view the police.
I don't blame them.
I mean nobody wants to go outon an interstate and risk their
livelihood for some drugs.

Speaker 5 (02:07:43):
I look back at it and we was doing this and we were
looking for indicators of felonystuff.
Yeah, it wasn't all felony,because a lot of times they'd be
personal.
They gave the same indicatorswhether they had a warrant or
they was bootlegging or theywere— Indicators of criminal
activity.
Indicators of criminal activitywas criminal activities, but we

(02:08:03):
were out there looking forfelony stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:08:05):
Yeah, wanted people it don't always have to be drugs
.
No, I mean, that brings upremember that night.
I stopped at the car.
It was on the inside barrierwall and I was like I think I
even told you there's somethingmore to this, but all we had at
the time was a warrant and thentwo days later we come back and
the guy had like stole the car.

(02:08:27):
It just hadn't been reportedyet, it hadn't been.
I mean, it was so much andmaybe like he had Like a Hellcat
, them suckers remember them.
It was some old beater car, butI think he had like assaulted
somebody to where he waspossibly facing like attempted
murder charges and he was justlike during his initial

(02:08:47):
interaction, like you could tellthere was something up, didn't
find any dope, yeah, um otherthan he had a warrant on him
that was extraditable.
But it was like I knew therewas something there, I could
feel it and didn't find outuntil I Travis Hurley stopped
one one day.

Speaker 5 (02:09:03):
He had a tugger that the dog got to.
We used to call tugger Ofer,ofer.
He was Ofer.
We used to give Travis a hardtime.
But he stopped a guy, found alittle dope and we arrested both

(02:09:24):
people in it.
You know, obviously they weretrafficking together out of
Detroit heading back north andhe got them for speed.
They were flying way too fast,which is weird.
Most people hauling don't speed.
No, and he hollered.
He said, hey, can you come?
You know I don't like no.
And he hollered.
He said, hey, can you come?
You know I don't like this.

(02:09:45):
Whatever we arrest them, no bigdeal.
They get out of jail FBI orAG's office somebody.
Yeah, I think it was the FBIand the AG's office in Kentucky.
They came.
Stuart Walker calls me.
He's like hey, come up to thePD.
I'm like uh-oh, well, if I turndown, usually I was like, yeah,

(02:10:08):
here we go.
He's like these folks want totalk to you.
I'm like, oh, and the woman Iarrested was missing and
presumed murdered by that guythat we'd picked up, because

(02:10:28):
during that stop she kind ofindicated what they were doing
to us and he killed her Justlater.
I was like, oh my gosh, I don'tknow if they ever found her or
what.
It was bad, though.
It was one of them deals where,like it just didn't feel right
no From the get-go ended up.
He was a really bad person.
We just didn't know how bad hewas.

Speaker 4 (02:10:44):
The interstate man, it's, it's dangerous, but oh,
man, that's where you find theand we got.
I'm not saying we don't havereal crime in our area, but
that's where you find the real.
Yeah it's your transport, yourbig transport.
I mean, I couldn't tell you howmany people that we had
arrested, that had or not reallyeven arrested, that had

(02:11:04):
encounters with it, had murderedpeople, like had murder charges
or whatever.
It was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (02:11:10):
I remember I forget who it was.
We was on that team and theywere doing construction on 75,
and they'd do those rollingroadblocks.
Somehow this car got ahead ofit and he was going about over
100 miles an hour and one of theother officers that was on the

(02:11:33):
team stopped him.
It's like obviously we got him,for you know, the speed limit
then was like 55 on I-75 for theconstruction.
He was going, you was going 100plus and he pulls him over.
Talks to him when you headingGuy's just freaked out.
He just points like that way,yeah, that way.

(02:11:56):
That's the first indicator.
So, you know, he arrests him forreckless driving and we do an
interdiction.
You know we do him for recklessdriving and we do an
interdiction.
You know we do a search on itand we had those fancy spyglass
stuff with the cameras on thescopes, the scopes.
And all of a sudden I see thatofficer.

(02:12:18):
He just starts, wow.
And I look down there and all Isee is a benjamin and it was
trap door stuff.
It was wild, we couldn't, wecouldn't, we couldn't figure out
how to open it.
It was on like wiper motors andstuff.
It's on teardrop things.
So he's legit big time he was.
They were big time coming outof out of new y to buy, I'm sure

(02:12:44):
, or transport, because they hadit vacuum sealed and it's
amazing, I think it ended upbeing about $100,000.
But it was so small and vacuumsealed that it might have looked
like $5,000.

Speaker 4 (02:12:57):
And that's really easy to conceal If you think
about the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
I mean, it's easy to hide stuff if you don't want
somebody to find it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:08):
You know you got your normal back before I started
working dope real heavy.
I could tell you how manyvehicles.
I'd just look underneath theseats, check the trunk and let
it go.

Speaker 5 (02:13:19):
Funny story about that.
Later, working that same spot,I see a car same description.
Well, me and Jason had went upto take that trap out of that
vehicle at the Marshalls inLexington, cutting trapdoor
stuff out of that because it wasgoing to go to auction.
We took the trap out, glued itall up, you know, put it back

(02:13:43):
together and here comes a carmeeting.
That same description driving.
It was the same car that adealer in London had purchased
at auction.
I said I got a funny storyabout this car.
I said your lot will find moremoney when you start detailing
this thing, because you neverknow.
I said just don't tell nobody.
But it was wild.

(02:14:06):
I mean it was wild.
Then it came back to London.
And somebody local probablybought it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:11):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:14:12):
We've had so much fun .
We have.

Speaker 2 (02:14:15):
There's so many more stories we could tell We've been
.
This is the longest podcastwe've had so far we might turn
it into two.
We've been.
This is the longest podcastwe've had so far.
We might turn it into two.
We've got, we've been going fortwo hours.
I do want to ask you this.

Speaker 5 (02:14:27):
I know we'll switch gears a little bit, but you got
out of law enforcement Yep andgreat officer.
But what led you to make thetransition?

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
What was the?

Speaker 4 (02:14:42):
thought process on it .
Um, obviously, like you know,money was one of them.
Uh, I just felt like that was a.
I wouldn't say that was thenumber one reason, but just you
know, we, we lost logan, yeah,um, and I'm not saying that's
the whole reason, I'm not tryingto get a pity.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
But it did change.

Speaker 5 (02:15:06):
It changed a lot of us.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
Yeah, it changed the dynamic.

Speaker 4 (02:15:09):
And the number one thing that I and I don't care to
admit it now.
I mean I'm definitely in a lotbetter spot than I was then, but
I was drinking a lot and I justseen not just my health but my
mentality, my family, everythingwas just I wouldn't say
crumbling, but it was is at thatbreaking point where and I

(02:15:32):
don't know what I truly couldn'ttell you why I was just like,
oh, I'm done.
But there was something thatjust told me, like you need to
find a different career pathbecause I love my job very good
but something changed in me.
I wasn't the same.
I didn't enjoy coming to worklike I did when I first started,

(02:15:55):
and we sit here and joke aboutall the crazy things that
happened.
I'm not saying that's what ledto it, but a lot of them are
funny stories that you've heard.
But there's also been a lot ofcrazy things that you know.

Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
Jake's been right there with me there's yeah,
there's a lot behind the scenesthat that we don't talk about um
, and we try to keep this thefunny side but the but, but the
stuff that, yeah, the stuff thatcauses changes, the things when
you close your eyes, the thingsthat all of a sudden gets
triggered not sleeping orsleeping like I would catch

(02:16:28):
myself either not able to sleepor just sleeping way too much
yeah, the time sacrifice fromyour family that you know
getting called out you

Speaker 6 (02:16:37):
know all the time.
I know I got out six, sevendays a week, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:42):
I got out a little little while before you wouldn't
probably a few months maybe Ilived in april of 23.
I left in february no yeah, so2022 was rough.

Speaker 5 (02:16:56):
It was just a brutal year.
Um losing tra Travis, you know,losing somebody I've placed
with for years and years friendthat was brutal in itself.
But then to have it, you know,losing Logan, it was just.

(02:17:20):
It devastated me, you know, Iwas close to retirement anyway,
so I just didn't have the fightanymore.
It devastated me.
I was close to retirementanyway, so now I just didn't
have to fight anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
I felt like it depleted our whole department,
and I'm not saying that in a badway.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
I think the question was is it worth it anymore?
Because you go out and you're,you've got that bulletproof
mentality, but then that reallysets things.
I mean you're already grieving,but then that sets it into you
know.

Speaker 5 (02:17:48):
There was so much change that was happening anyway
, and then his death.
Just it was just a.

Speaker 4 (02:18:05):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a firm believer in in everything.
God has a plan for all of us.
I'm not perfect ain't none ofus perfect?
But I will say that, um and nottrying to get like all
emotional in this podcast but I,I went through some therapy and
that helped me more than, yeah,then me picking up a bottle, um
, and after I, I mean, I spenthours with the therapist.

(02:18:30):
Um, I had, you know, somebodythat practiced privately.
And then the ocjt I can'tremember that lady's name, but
she was awesome.
Um, that done the emd, emd orthe paddles.
Yeah, I can't emdr yep, and itwas this association that really

(02:18:52):
helped me um.
And did you do that?
Flash no it's not too late todo it, I mean I would like to do
it again.

Speaker 5 (02:19:02):
I did, I went back.
In fact, she contacted me theother day, probably a month ago
now.
She probably just you know, sheknows, and there's things that
trigger, time, frames, thingsgoing on.

Speaker 4 (02:19:22):
It's weird things too .
It's not like what you think,what would trigger it.
It's just off the wall, justdriving.
Sometimes I'm like I get in myhead.
Her name is Angela Childress.
Yep, that is her name and she'sincredible.
Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:19:39):
But at any time we still can go up and see her.
That's the cool thing.
You don't have to, she'll seeit.
And it had been about a yearafter my first session and I
went back up there, went to heroffice and sat down.
She said hold on to thesethings.

Speaker 4 (02:20:02):
And at first you don't think it's going to work
the first time.
It's weird, it's real weird.
You don't think it's going towork at first, like I was in
denial about it.

Speaker 5 (02:20:10):
I was like and the first time I'll tell you this
and she came in I said, well, Ineed to go first, I need to be
the leader.
Lisa said hey, it to be theleader and at least say hey,
it's okay.
I'd like my head straight onthe, on the, on the desk in

(02:20:31):
there where he's at, and justunloaded everything.
Earlier in my career travis'sdeath, logan's death, all this
stuff, all this stuff that waspent up and, um, I was like I
can't believe I'm saying some ofthis stuff.
But I mean, and I looked up ather, she said okay, I think
we're good.
You know I'm like okay.
I said what do you want forlunch?
I said we started that sessionat 9.

(02:20:52):
I said I bet you're hungry.
It's got to be lunchtime, it'sgot to be like two or three
hours.
Into this it was 3.30.
I had zero idea that stuff.
It worked.
The second time I did it, youknow it was good to get some

(02:21:13):
stuff off my chest, but itwasn't like I think the first
session, you know, and I thinkthere's multiple sessions you
need to do with that but it wasmore the fact the second time I
just just hashing out some stuffthat I was still thinking about
and going through stuff thathad been compartmentalized that
I probably hadn't shared somehurt stuff that I was going

(02:21:36):
through and you know she's likecome back and she'll call me
still, like are you okay?

Speaker 4 (02:21:44):
I'm like yeah, I'm okay right now.
Yeah, she was awesome.
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:21:48):
That's the best thing that ever happened.
What do they call it?
The P?
I can't remember.
You remember what it's calledthe two-minute act.
We can go to those classes.
They do those very intensivestuff where you can take your
family.

Speaker 6 (02:22:02):
You're talking about the post-incidence, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:22:05):
And probably should have went.
We probably all should havewent to something like that.
But her coming down and Iremember we sitting in a
debriefing with the chaplain andnothing against him, but once
we started getting deeper Ithink he wanted to keep it at an
you know Armed length away.

(02:22:25):
Yeah, and, and no fault, hejust didn't.
You know he was a chaplain more.

Speaker 4 (02:22:28):
and well, he probably never dealt with anything like
that either.
I mean, no, it's a small area,it doesn't happen and and when.

Speaker 5 (02:22:37):
I think it was travis from the sheriff's office, like
you need to call her, and wedid, and she came straight down
like the next day and scheduledto be there for like a week or
something.
And it's life changing.

Speaker 4 (02:22:54):
Really, get some of that have you listened to the
Sean Ryan show?
He's talking about the DMT5-MEOD.

Speaker 3 (02:23:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:23:07):
I think that would be .
I mean, obviously it's notlegal in America yet, but just
the research that I've read andheard, I think it's getting
closer.

Speaker 5 (02:23:17):
Yeah, I think you know that Walter Reed may be
starting to Like the VA.
The VA stuff is really lookinginto it.

Speaker 4 (02:23:25):
And that's I mean once you quit policing.
It's like you got all thesefriends and then you know we're
still pretty close, tight-knitgroup of friends, but you lose a
lot of people that you thoughtwere your true friends.

Speaker 2 (02:23:37):
Yeah, you really see how small your circle gets, and
that's why I thought well, that10-blue line is a bunch of
bullshit.

Speaker 4 (02:23:45):
It really is.
Yeah, and I'll be the first one, and I'm not trying to make
anybody mad, but while you'reworking, you're all homies, and
that's.

Speaker 3 (02:23:54):
Well, you know there's that line.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
You know you're all brothers until it comes time.

Speaker 4 (02:24:01):
To promote, to promote or whatever.
I've seen a lot of backstabbing.
That shouldn't have everhappened.

Speaker 2 (02:24:09):
And that happens for all the podcasts.
I listen to all the cops fromother agencies.
It's all kind of the samesentiment too.
It's not really a brotherhoodwhen the ladder's there.
No, everybody's trying to climbthe ladder.

Speaker 4 (02:24:23):
I'll tell you the closest brotherhood I ever felt
when we all work together.
I mean, it's just that, thatright.
I don't think that'sinseparable.
What's up?

Speaker 2 (02:24:32):
and I've joked about it a lot and said that we
operated kind on don't ask,don't tell mentality.
But that's I think that's whywe were so close, because it was
we just kind of done our ownthing.

Speaker 4 (02:24:44):
We'll ask for forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (02:24:45):
later we got out and done our work.

Speaker 4 (02:24:50):
And we knew each other.
I could come into work and Jakeyou know how he is, he knows,
he could tell if I was having arough day, if I was dealing with
some stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
Yeah, you knew each other.
We could read each other and Icould tell whenever he was
having a rough day If I wasdealing with some stuff.
Yeah, you knew each other, wecould read each other and I
could tell whenever he washaving a rough day.

Speaker 5 (02:25:07):
That's why squads and breaking up a good team was
always a dangerous thing to do,because me and Derek talked
about that.
He knew that was my beginning.
That was my beginning, that wasmy squad.
We were all close and it wasjust when they broke that up we

(02:25:30):
talked about that.
It was just kind of trying to.
I'm a new guy on a new placeand they didn't know me.
And it's a different shiftdifferent way of doing things.

Speaker 2 (02:25:39):
You're like I don't know and it throws you
completely out of your your workroutine, like because I know
when they they eventuallydecided to switch everybody's
skater.

Speaker 6 (02:25:49):
You know squads up for whatever yeah, at the end of
the year they'd switch them upevery year.
Yeah, for what?
I tried to fight it, but we all.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
For the most part we all ended up on the same squad
just because of seniority andthe way the bids worked, but
then there at the end it's likewe got kind of mixed around and
it ruined you and you want to be, and I see that thought
patterns like all right, weshift bid.

Speaker 5 (02:26:16):
You want to come to day shift for whatever reason,
that's fine, yeah, but then theywould flip-flop the whole red
and blue squad sometimes.

Speaker 3 (02:26:24):
That was what hurt, that was what was a terrible
idea, because you could stillstay on a red.

Speaker 5 (02:26:29):
What we did was we broke it up.
We had four squads.
We worked 12-hour shifts With ared side.
That would say we worked Monday, tuesday and then off.
But we were all red and youknow we would see each other at
shift changes.
We'd cut up with each other.
We'd see each other, you know,in the morning and the evening
yeah and it was.

(02:26:49):
you know there was shifts thatyou never saw.
You all never saw.
Night shift on blue, no, orwhatever.
No, um, and it was.
That's that's the tough partthat you're like we're one PD,
we should be able to policetogether, you should.
But there's dynamics, there'strust that's built in.
That that's so important, likeif your supervisor, if Jake, he

(02:27:13):
knew you enough to know Joey'shaving a bad day, or I can talk
to him, I know what gets himmotivated, I know what can calm
him down.
That's so important.
And that was like me on dayshift and being that lieutenant
when I was doing that role ofkind of being over both of those

(02:27:33):
squads, it was just a.
You know there's a trust thatyou build up with each sergeant
that hey, they're doing this,they're doing this, and if
there's problems, problems, theycome tell you.
But if you didn't hear fromthem on stuff, you're like
everything's great.
And we had that relationshipbuilt in to where if there was a

(02:27:53):
problem, you know he, jake,could come up and easily say,
hey, here's what we got, we mayneed to move him, or this,
what's going on, and that wasfine, that's what you want.

Speaker 4 (02:28:07):
Or hey, you might want to talk to him about this,
or hey, this is what's going on.
Well, that's leading into youroriginal question why I quit.
And it was nobody's fault otherthan my own, and I'm not trying
to blame it on nobody butwhenever I was working on Jake's
shift, he could kind of keep mehoned in.
He knew what was going on.
He knew when I walked in whatkind of mood I was in.

(02:28:31):
And then, after I transitionedfrom his shift, that's when I
started declining as far as mymental state, just because I had
good leaders.
I'm not saying that, but theydidn't know me Jake knew me,
flash knew me.

Speaker 2 (02:28:48):
You had good leaders, but you didn't have partners.

Speaker 4 (02:28:51):
No, it was just like.
I don't know how to explain itother than in the line of
policing.
You need somebody that's goingto keep you in check.

Speaker 2 (02:29:03):
It was one less thing , and it was one less thing on a
call that you had to worryabout.
Yeah, because you don't knowhow this guy's going to operate.
You don't know how this guy'sgoing to operate.
We knew how each other operated.
So it was like that was neverin my mindset when we were out
on something dangerous.
It was like I know that you'reback there, jake's back there,
somebody's back there, that'sgot my back if I don't see

(02:29:25):
something, they've got it.

Speaker 4 (02:29:26):
Yeah, I don't have to worry about you know and then
it all, all that translates intohow you, how you work.
You know, if you ain't honed inand you don't have that brother
keeping a check on you, thenwhat are you doing?
Yeah, like you might be, you,you might think you're doing the

(02:29:48):
right thing, and I'll be thefirst one to admit.
I mean, I thought I was doingthe right thing several times
and I wasn't, um, and that'swhat led to me drinking more um,
and now you know I'm, I'm great.
Do I miss the job?

Speaker 5 (02:30:06):
mmm, I don't know sometimes yeah, that's what I do
.
You miss that camaraderie.

Speaker 4 (02:30:11):
If I had, if I had the opportunity, if they said
well, everybody's gonna be onthe same squad, you're going
back to the the way it was thenand I know that's never possible
I would say sign me up.

Speaker 2 (02:30:22):
Yeah, exactly, I'd go back to that in a heartbeat.
But I remember, I remember whenI got that phone call from him,
I'd been out for a little bitand he's like, well, do you miss
it?
Is it something?
Because you were considering itat the time, I said no.
I said honestly, with what?
What we would had went through,what the changes that we're
going through, I was like it's,it's the best for my mental

(02:30:44):
health and for my family'slifestyle.
And for all that I said, thisis the best decision I've made
is to get out.
Now do I wish that.
I could have continued and donethat and stayed, yeah, and I
miss the camaraderie and stuff,but I don't know that I
necessarily miss the bureaucracyof the job, because that's what

(02:31:08):
it was becoming.

Speaker 4 (02:31:10):
It went from us having fun to oh crap, we've got
to deal with.
What we deal with on a routineis not fun, no more.
It's getting political.
We have a lot of uncertains.

Speaker 2 (02:31:27):
It became more stress .
You already had the normalstress of being a police officer
, and then we weren't well likedby the public on top of that,
and then on top of that you hadall the other added stressors
from admin.
So I mean, it just wasn't.
When you start dreading a job,going into work, it's time to

(02:31:47):
find something else.

Speaker 5 (02:31:49):
If I would have, known and I didn't know this at
the time, but my goal was tomake it.
When I went up to Danville PD.
The way they are is what I wastrying to thrive in, and I
didn't know who they were untilI went up there and I was like

(02:32:10):
they've got it figured out asfar as and Jake, you've landed
in a great department, I think.
Oh yeah, they still have thefun.
I feel like the camaraderie isgood.
Well, they let you police andthe big difference up there,
bigger city, what makes itbetter?

(02:32:30):
Because their call volume isnot nearly what London is, but
the difference is I-75.
They can actually go andactually solve things and do
things and not have to worryabout 46 or something crazy or
some people in transit pullinginto London.

(02:32:51):
That's, you know, bad people.

Speaker 2 (02:32:53):
I will say that in the conversations that I've had
with them up there, that youknow, one statement stands out,
and it was that they're likewhat was your style, what was
your ideal style of policing?
I was like, well, this is what.
And they said well, here's whatour idea of it is.
You do what you're good at andit makes us look good.
There's not an agenda, so it'syou know, that's how we was.

Speaker 6 (02:33:16):
They figured that out .

Speaker 5 (02:33:18):
They figured that out up there, probably in the last
five, six years, I think.
But if I would have known, if Iwould have known who they were,
because you know, john andHobie came down from Danville
and went during Logan.
They helped us out during thattime and but you know, I really
didn't know who they were, andbut when I went up there I was

(02:33:44):
like if I'd have known that, I'dhave been calling you guys all
the time running this sayingwhat you all do on things, but
they really.
That's a good place that you'velanded and I think that's helped
save a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:33:59):
And I think there's more agencies out there like
that than there is with whatwe've dealt with just because of
the small town politics andstuff that we have to deal with
here.

Speaker 5 (02:34:11):
It's a good, it was unique, refreshing to say, hey,
dang it, this is what I wasgoing for.

Speaker 2 (02:34:22):
I mean I don't regret any of it.
I'm glad that I got to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:34:26):
I don't know that I'd go back like I said, the only
way I would go back under thatthat was kind of a unicorn shift
that we had.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Anyway, you get those every now and then.

Speaker 5 (02:34:38):
I feel like I've been a part of that unicorn shift
where you can trust yourleadership.
You can trust the man next toyou.
You know, even the rookies thatwould come on would would
figure it out pretty quick.
We would help train those.
We were afraid to be likeyou're.
You're messing up here well,yeah, you've got.

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
You know, in laws of change, things are stricter.
The climate has changed.

Speaker 5 (02:35:05):
As far as place, we all placed during the COVID
years and the George Floyd years, we saw the huge change that
happened with the trust towardspolice.
It's eye-opening.
It is We've said that onmultiple podcasts Like how do

(02:35:26):
you get people to do this job?
Now I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:35:31):
I mean that's.
I mean, you can throw money atit and money will go so far, but
it's not.

Speaker 6 (02:35:35):
It's still not worth it as a young person.
There's no way I'd get intothis job now.
You would have to.

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
The retirement needs to go back to 20 years.
It does, because it's not it'snot an old man's game well,
that's something that I consider.

Speaker 4 (02:35:48):
I'm sure you did too.
I was like I'm gonna have towork till I'm in my 50s every
time.
Well, that was like in theprivate sector I can work.

Speaker 5 (02:35:54):
If I work three more years, I can retire three more
years than what I would have hadto ever if with and make more
money make more money, have abetter schedule, not have to
sacrifice time with my young,and that's why there's such a
push to bring back us old folks,because nobody else let's draw

(02:36:15):
them out of retirement here welland getting somebody that can
go through and have the samedrive and determination and,
let's face it, with some of theyou know, some of the people
that we had, that I some of them

Speaker 2 (02:36:27):
might have made it and been all right, but then it
just they didn't stick with itlong enough or they were just
couldn't hack it and that's, andthat's fine.

Speaker 5 (02:36:35):
You want to know?

Speaker 2 (02:36:36):
yeah, there's some people just want to scratch that
itch man there's like there'sno shame in that getting into it
and being like, yeah, thisain't for me yeah, but then
there's some people that arejust I actually have more
respect.

Speaker 4 (02:36:47):
Um, and I'm not gonna bring up no names, but there
was a, a guy that came andtrained with us.
Uh, he went to the academy andhe was like this, ain't for me
yeah, and I respect that morethan anybody that would say,
yeah, that's smart, it's likedon't yeah and and keep making
mistakes, because there's goingto be a point in time whenever
you're going to need to rely onthat person.

Speaker 5 (02:37:07):
If he's not in his right head space.

Speaker 4 (02:37:09):
Yeah, if he's doubting his Abilities to do
whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:37:14):
Let's make a swap while you can.

Speaker 4 (02:37:17):
One last thing that I'll say and then we'll tell a
funny story or whatever is ifthere's anybody out there that
has seen yourself in my shoes um, I don't care, if you all want
to put my phone number on thereor whatever just call me, don't
make a mistake not that I'vemade a mistake but, uh, I don't

(02:37:38):
know what words I'm looking for,but I will do anything I can to
help you.

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
Don't let.
Yeah, what you're trying to sayis don't let the stress and
everything eat at you so much towhere you?
Make decisions that areirreversible.

Speaker 4 (02:37:53):
Exactly that's where I'm going with it mental.

Speaker 5 (02:38:01):
You know the whole.
I guess, when you're trying topick up a bottle instead of
calling and talking, mistakesare made, your livelihood could
be taken.
You never know how that couldleave you.
So the best, instead ofreaching for and finding it in a

(02:38:25):
bottle, sometimes reach out andcall.
Call us, because we there'snobody's had more pts probably
in than us.

Speaker 6 (02:38:33):
Yeah, we've, from military stuff with jake to and
policing I mean to losing,losing a friend um I mean, let
alone two in one year alone.
Two in one year?
Yeah, two in one year.

Speaker 5 (02:38:45):
Not to mention I mean you was wearing those bracelet
things for years from friendsyou've lost in the military and
dealing with those things, we'vebeen there, we've done it and
you don't have to be alone.
You can reach out.
I mean all our stuff's onInstagram and stuff you can
reach out.
I mean all our stuff's on oninstagram and stuff that you can
reach out and and we all dealwith this stuff differently.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
I mean, you may you know my my thing was I've talked
about before, is I talked?
me and my wife had a pretty open, you know dialogue about, about
all of it, and I got a lot ofit off my chest with with her
because it you know that'strusted and I never did any of
the, you know any of the therapyand stuff and I probably should

(02:39:29):
have, but but that was kind ofmy outlet was with with her.
I mean, so you don't, you don'thave to go to therapy, it's a
good idea, I think yeah, even ifyou've not went through
something tragic, it's not gonnahurt you.
No, but I mean just getting itout there, getting it off your
chest, yeah, bouncing ideas offand saying I mean, we have this

(02:39:50):
stigma that it's weak to talkabout this stuff, or it's weak
to and it's not well, that'slike me.

Speaker 4 (02:39:55):
You know I would be open somewhat with my wife, but
I wouldn't tell her everything.

Speaker 2 (02:40:00):
I would talk to jake, or you or you a lot more
because we understood, and it'snot nothing against her but it's
just like you don't want tohave to explain something and
then also explain, you know letme explain this to you.
And now let me explain why.
Why this bothers me.

Speaker 4 (02:40:17):
So it's like you want me to tell let's end on
something funny cause.

Speaker 5 (02:40:25):
You want me to tell them let's end on something
funny End it with a good notehere.

Speaker 2 (02:40:28):
We've got solemn here , no it's important, though it's
very important and, like I said, I'm here I don't care.

Speaker 4 (02:40:36):
I work around the clock because I want to now, not
because I have to, but call me,I don't care what time it is.
Where do you want to go withthis?

Speaker 2 (02:40:48):
wherever you want to, whatever you, this is your
we'll go with the Walmartshoplifter.

Speaker 4 (02:40:54):
I'll try not to get vulgar.
The best.

Speaker 2 (02:40:57):
I can.
It's definitely.
This is a kid friendly show,alright we did put explicit on
our Every one of them hasexplicit on it.

Speaker 4 (02:41:08):
So I've got two stories wrote down for this
story, because there was twodifferent parts of it.
The first, so I'll just startfrom the beginning.
So we received a complaint of ashoplifter at Walmart, which
would happen pretty regularEvery day.
Yeah, pretty regular Every day,if not multiple times a day,

(02:41:33):
Multiple times a day.
And those guys are I mean,they're hustlers.
They work their butt off to tryto make a difference and I
don't know if they'll ever getcaught up.
But no jolly, never will, um,anyway.
So we get a call of shoplifterat walmart and me being me, you
know, I don't remember it seemedlike I was always close to

(02:41:54):
stuff.
Everybody accused me of somehowhaving contact with dispatch
and knowing where to be at theright time or whatever.
But I pull into walmart andusually when we pull into
walmart we would go over on thegrocery side and they had a
little office is the lossprevention office.
Um, so I'll pull up in front ofthose doors and they you know

(02:42:14):
the loss prevention guys theycome running out, they're like
she's about to run out this sidedoor, she's running through
walmart.
And I'm like, no, this soundsfun.
So I floored across the littleparking lot, get out of my car
and jake was pulling up right at, he's pulling in right behind
me and this chick and she mighthave been 60 pounds, soaking wet

(02:42:37):
.
I mean, she was trying to push awhole buggy full of stuff out
that she hadn't paid for andthere was a little kid in the
shopping cart.
Obviously, you're trying to beaware of everything and the only
thing that I honed in on is ohgosh, there's a kid with her,
for whatever reason, and thenshe pushes the kid that's in the

(02:42:59):
shopping cart.
She pushes the shopping cartwe're in that little breezeway
in between both doors doorspushes the shopping cart to some
random person and takes offlooking at it.
Well, she didn't see me, like Iwas standing right at the front
door and she ran straight intome and I I put her on the ground
because she was trying to runand the bait pile driver well,

(02:43:22):
it wasn't.
It wasn't intentional, itreally wasn't true, but he
assisted her to the ground.
A little backstory to that.
So we just got done eatingmexican and I don't know how you
all feel about mexican, butI've been in one foot pursuit
right after we ate Mexican.
I said it never happened againbecause I had to go back and

(02:43:45):
re-eat again because I lost allof it.

Speaker 3 (02:43:50):
Got to eat something white though.
Yeah, I said.

Speaker 4 (02:43:52):
I'll never chase somebody 30 minutes after eating
Mexican.
I think I just got my cruiserfrom Mexican and went over there
.

Speaker 5 (02:44:02):
Just imagine if you had to jump in a pool or
something.

Speaker 4 (02:44:05):
Oh my gosh, it makes it even more delicious.
It takes 20 minutes, but ifit's Mexican, it's about four
hours.
It's delicious, but I nevertried to eat more than my belly
could withstand, especiallyworking, but anyway so.
I grab her and put her on theground and cuff her.

(02:44:27):
I'm like I got you Go and getthe kid or whatever.
So somehow and I don't rememberevery little detail we all end
up back on the grocery side.
The kids in the loss preventionoffice and I was out there
dealing with a female and someman.
He was elderly.
He comes beating on my door oron my glass and I said uh-oh.

(02:44:48):
I was like is this a threat?
What's going on here?
And I didn't run my window down.
I got out because I wanted to atleast be a little bit tactical.
She's still in the back of mycar and I said can I help you,
sir?
And he just starts dog cussingme.
I mean, I seen what you've doneto that woman.
You should be whatever ofyourself.

(02:45:10):
And I was like what do you wantme to do?
Just chase and run side by sidewith her.
I mean, what do you want me todo?
He said I don't know.
I said who are you?
He said I'm a cop.
And I said you're a cop, whereare you a cop at?
And at this point I was alreadya little bit frustrated because
one my belly didn't feel good.

(02:45:30):
My adrenaline was now.
I got this old man yelling atme because I stopped somebody
from trying to push out a wholeshopping cart full of items from
Walmart and he's like I'm a cop, yada, yada, yada.

(02:45:50):
So I think I yelled at you andI'm like at Jake, and I was like
Jake, there's a guy out heresaying he's a cop, he wants to
file a complaint on me.
And before Jake got out there,I was like where you caught by?
He said manchester and I waslike, well, all right, whatever.
I was like I got my supervisoron the way, did you ever
actually get to talk to him ordid he take off before you got

(02:46:13):
there?

Speaker 6 (02:46:14):
I think he left before I got out.

Speaker 4 (02:46:16):
Yeah, he jake was inside, I was like I got my
supervisor on the way and likein the back of my head I was
like I'm gonna arrest this guythe way and like in the back of
my head I was like I'm going toarrest this guy, you know, for
impersonating a police officer,because you can tell a cop from
a mile away most of the time.
And he definitely.
I mean he was definitely not acop.
We make some long story short,we make some phone calls.

(02:46:38):
I take her to jail.
He was a card carrier and Ithink they went.

Speaker 2 (02:46:44):
They went and took it from him.
They went, took his card andrevoked his card.

Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
Yeah, that's awesome took up all the stuff yeah, I
mean, it was just one of thethings we're like.
It was a bad situation already,didn't want to do what I did,
but I had to do it, and then Igot some old man yelling at me
because I did my job.

Speaker 6 (02:47:00):
You know it's like it's nothing unusual, though
never worked the road a day inhis life.

Speaker 4 (02:47:04):
No, oh no.
He didn't even know what was he.
He wouldn't even I don't knowif he was related to the girl or
if he's probably no, he wasn'tinvolved he was just some random
and the hindsight 2020.
It probably did look pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (02:47:19):
She wasn't hurt no, she didn't get hurt.
He had a facebook, so he wasautomatically a lawyer, a cop
and a doctor.

Speaker 4 (02:47:26):
Yeah, but it was just one of those going back to me
being me one of those situationsthat typically would just go
over like a breeze go to anormal call and it just
escalated and turned into a mess.

Speaker 2 (02:47:39):
That is, yeah, joey's career in a you guys Just a
mess.
That is, yeah, joey's career ina you guys Just a mess.

Speaker 5 (02:47:47):
I remember working, speaking to old men coming out
and just you remember when weused to do Thursday Night Live
on Main Street, right Beforethey built the fancy park, well,
this, they would line up allthese people, all these people
sitting right in Main Street,y'all remember it and we were
sitting there and we're like itwas one of them days where it

(02:48:10):
was like 4th of July rightbefore and they had like some
power company trucks right therewith a big flag and there was
like vendors and stuff on theother end and it was actually
for the first vendors and stuffon the other end.
It was actually for the firsttime.
Will blocked off.
This old man gets out of thecar, stops traffic gets out and

(02:48:31):
comes out yelling at me.
I remember I don't know whathappened.
Not because of blocking traffic,inconvenience.
What if they're?
Who's in charge of securityhere?
As of me?
What if they run?
You know some, you know, don'tyou watch the news that the

(02:48:52):
terrorists coming running peopleover it?
I mean, he's right, all thesethings that we was always like
this is a horrible idea.
Well, it could have just been adrug coming through there, or
some old woman that's just likeoh, I've got to go down Main
Street because I don't know howto turn.
Or man, old woman, old man,we're going to get canceled.

Speaker 6 (02:49:15):
Caught yourself there .

Speaker 2 (02:49:18):
Well, this was our last episode.
I hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (02:49:20):
You just never know.
He came out there and saidlisten, sir, by far this is the
most blocked off it's ever been,by far.
Yeah, oh man, he cussed me for10 minutes and had the traffic
stop.
I said, sir, you're causing abigger traffic problem than that
, so why don't you just go on?

Speaker 2 (02:49:39):
Man he got all over me.
Go forth and prosper.

Speaker 4 (02:49:41):
Yes, man, you deal with people like that all the
time, like you don't know.
You know, most of the time youknow walking up to somebody and
say, oh, they're gonna, you know, be respectful.
Oh no, not today's time, I mean, they'll fly above you before
somebody younger will that'sright for no reason they've
earned it at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:50:01):
Yeah, let them.
If I make it to those at thatage I'm going to be hateful to
the connectors too.

Speaker 5 (02:50:06):
You all had it.
Yeah, I can't believe you allare out here my shoes hurt my
feet.

Speaker 2 (02:50:12):
It's all your fault.

Speaker 5 (02:50:16):
Such dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:50:17):
I've not pooped in three weeks.
Look at that.

Speaker 4 (02:50:27):
Tito will never be able to say that that's his code
word, uh oh.

Speaker 5 (02:50:32):
I have not got up and walked off to pee on this
episode.

Speaker 4 (02:50:36):
This has been a long one.
How long are we at?
We're almost at three hours.

Speaker 2 (02:50:40):
Oh my gosh, you said three.
This has been a bottle yeah,this time, but uh, we could sit
here and talk all day.

Speaker 4 (02:50:49):
I've got more stories .
If you want to go, or if youwant to, we'll cut it here.
We'll do it again and then savethem save them next time.

Speaker 5 (02:50:58):
Hopefully we don't run out of gas, but oh, we ain't
to We've got a plethora.

Speaker 4 (02:51:04):
It's a $5.

Speaker 2 (02:51:05):
Word for you, so we'll cut it $20.

Speaker 4 (02:51:10):
That's exactly right, according to dispatch, are we?

Speaker 5 (02:51:12):
ready to cut her down ?
I think so.
This has been a ball.

Speaker 4 (02:51:15):
Thanks for coming, Jake, and always Joey.

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
Somebody had to keep Joey in line.

Speaker 6 (02:51:22):
Jake's the line tamer .
I've been kicking him under thetable.

Speaker 4 (02:51:28):
What you can't see is Jake's.

Speaker 2 (02:51:29):
Had him on a leash this whole time.
Joke caller it's fun stuff.
Alright, guys, hope you enjoyedit.
We'll catch you on the next one, see ya.