Swift Water, Sweet Mullets, and a Leap of Faith

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying low to
run a dim street light Laughingthrough the written reports.
Truth stranger than the wildestcourts, tales from the force
gone astray, caught up in thegames they play.
High speed chases gone awry,serious turns into pie in the

(00:23):
sky, just out of jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Left during the conviction that will kick it off
on it.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
That's too much.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
That's sensitivity.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yep, Well, it's that setting that if anything like if
you were to sneeze or something, it cuts your bike out.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh, that noise.
Cancellation bill.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I kind of like that so we, we should be good if I
rip one right here, it's, we'regood I'll catch every bit of it,
not enough decibels.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
You've not heard what's going on.
And then my nether regions thekind that comes out and

Speaker 2 (01:05):
crawls around the backside and leaks out.
That's the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
It just you ever felt those ones like roll up your?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
butt the bubbles, roll up your butt cheek.
How did this happen?
I can't hear.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
It doesn't matter how old you are.
Farts will never not be funny.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
It's like how's that still just you can feel it.
It's like rolling around like amarble, it kind of tickles.
I like it, oh Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
All right, welcome back to another episode of Just
Out of Jurisdiction.
Hope everybody's had a MerryChristmas.
We're back from the holidayshere.
We still got New Year's comingup, so hope everybody is geared
up for that and ready for a goodNew Year's.
New you all your weight lossresolutions and all that good

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stuff We've got.
Our guest today is GaryProffitt stuff we've got.
Uh, our guest today is garyprophet.
He's, uh, he's, he's a special,a special man in our lives he
is the little g.
Call the little g.
I've known little g since hewas actually taller than me.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, you were still single digit, I think in age
yeah uh going back further thanthat, me and gary's known each
other since first grade,kindergarten first grade first
grade is when we moved to laurelcounty.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
So like 42 years now, or something we've known each
other.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah to the swiss and just like everybody else, you
abandoned me for the eastburnston.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, traitor wasn't my fault.
Well, yeah, but so yeah, me andg's know each other since first
grade.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
So hey, 41, 42 years right at 42 years.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Golly god, y'all are old, almost double it's slash's
existence so we played, you know, ball together, football and
stuff in middle school and highschool.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, Not to give a rage, but it was junior high
then.
It wasn't middle school.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's back when G had hair.
G did have hair.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
You should have seen it and it was luscious, I've got
pictures.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Luscious I had a mullet, that's for sure.
His dog grew down his back andon his luscious, very nice
goatee.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
He's got going on right now Dog the bounty hunter
would be jealous of his mulletback then it was.
It was a good one.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Listen.
I went back in our yearbook,our graduating year.
It was 50-50, mullets to notmullets.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I had a mullet when I was in elementary school, but
now the mullets are back In the90s.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
They do the shaved off side stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh yeah, and it still looks just as terrible now as
it did, I agree.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
It does, but you know .

Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's the truth.
Transitional speaking.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It blends in wherever you happen to be.
It's a party.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
It's a business up front, a party in the background
.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Is that what they said?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
If I let my hair grow out now, it would kind of be
the reverse, kind of likeGallagher the comedian you would
do the skull.
It would all grow out on theside.
Yeah, yeah, yours would be theskull.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Look like those other clowns.
It'll grow on the sides but notthe top.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
That'd be good, you know, one of these days you can
perm that out.
Some girl going on be a bird'snest, it's like it wasn't giant
eggs sitting right in the middle, oh my gosh.
So so tell us when you startedpolicing and how that all
started.

(04:34):
When I was uh going to easternuh, they had a uh which you know
.
It kind of worked out, but theyhad a class that you could take
.
That was a co-op class and youcould get up to 15 hours of
college credit and all I had todo was do a ride-along with an
agency.
So I started, they did uh.
I started riding uh at the onlake detail with abby.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Hell, no more gosh, I'd love to have abby we gotta,
we gotta reach out, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So, Abby, if you're listening, I appreciate the
interesting things we happenedupon and I think we've mentioned
he and she in several episodes.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm pretty sure that Abby Hale is the master of
catching people.
He and she, there was a lot ofthat that went on down there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So between that and the cooler full of beverages and
a sack full of nabs he kept inthe trunk of his cruiser, uh we,
we had a pretty good time.
So when I turned uh 21, I wassuper stoked.
I walked into gene holland'soffice and said sheriff, I'm 21.
And he filled out the littlecard, said go see the county

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judge.
He swore an in and it went fromthere.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So you know that's a lot easier back then.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
So you started off card carrying and riding around.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I was pre-POPS, so when I first got hired I had my
POP certificate, because thatwasn't required.
What's POP?
Police Officer ProfessionalStandards?
So?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
that's what Kentucky is PT tests and all that
Psychological, psychological.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But now when I quit the sheriff's office and got
hired at the PD, then I was nolonger grandfathered, so I had
to pass all that stuff, but Iwas a 100-pound lighter back
then I'm not sure how he passedthat question that says does
fire arouse you?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, you know, know, as long as you're consistent,
they're looking for consistencyyeah every time, if you say, if
you answer it the same way everytime.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I didn't, yeah, okay, yeah it was yeah yeah so I
actually got sworn in and uh on,actually on halloween day of uh
1997, now were you you were atthe rescue squad Actually on
Halloween Day of 1997.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Now you were at the rescue squad, I was.
You were doing that too, yes.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Because I started on the rescue squad and fire
department, probably in 95, Iguess, is when I started on the
fire department and a year ortwo later I started doing rescue
squad squad stuff a lot ofpeople in this area, in this
community.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's how I mean.
Once you try one firstresponder thing, you do end up
going to all of them.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
No, I didn't either, but I was.
But I had.
There was reasons.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I Blood and death grossed me out, so I didn't want
to be on rescue squad DrowningsRight and fire is hot and I was
like, ooh, I'll say it, and Ilived that too and I lived my
whole life.
My first bicycle that I gotwhen I was five had a shield

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that went between the handlebarsand said police on it.
That went between thehandlebars and said police on it
.
So when it was that age of okay, I need to pick a career and I
need to do something, I chose todo law enforcement for the
career side and for the longesttime I continued to do the

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firefighting stuff on thevolunteer side, because I liked
all of it, but you could onlypick one.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You could only get paid for one of them.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well and then, and had I known me and you know,
airport Police or something likethat, you kind of get to do all
of it and you know, maybe if Iwould have had to do well, had
it to do over, maybe I wouldhave kind of yeah, that's a good
point, because when you startlooking into law enforcement for
anybody that's listening outthere that has you know maybe
they're thinking about goinginto it.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
It's a great profession.
I would vet your agency thatyou want to go to heavily before
you commit, though, but alsodon't get tunnel vision on just
patrol.
There's way more things outthere and there's higher
ceilings for you than that, likeairport police, or.

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I had a buddy that he worked atlouisville metro.
He now works in indiana at someagency, I'm not sure, but in
between his transition fromlouisville metro to the agency
he's with now, he worked as abomb canine handler for one of
the Amazon hubs up there.
It was a contract job but heloved it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I always wanted to do bomb technician stuff and I
just really wanted to wear oneof them T-shirts that says I'm a
bomb technician.
If you see me running, try tokeep up.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
When you see the bomb guy gopale, pale, you know it's time
to go?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
yeah, I was.
You know, when I was in themarines I was in the engineer
battalion and or we had an eodassigned to our you know, they
lived in over the hill like liketrolls, I mean, they were, they
were something, and um, I wasman.
How do you all operate withjust those two fingers that's

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left on your hands?
No kidding them stitched on top,but I mean, what a tough thing,
especially when the war started.
I was in the Marines before9-11 happened.
But their training and thethings they were doing down
there, they were proficient.
now, and if you've seen thatmovie, the Hurt Locker- from

(10:08):
what I've heard, it's a greatmovie but it's absolutely as
inaccurate as you can get, asfar as what those ELD guys say
they wouldn't do some of the no,no, they've got other things
they can do from a distance thanwalk up on all that stuff.
Hey, they was making a movie.
I liked the movie, though itwas a good movie, oh, absolutely

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.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Let's get back to your rescue squad stuff, because
there's a story that I heardabout and I want you to tell it.
Oh no, how do you feel aboutswift water rescue?
Well, it depends.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So I guess you have to understand the fact that I
have never been formally taughthow to swim, so it's my.
My swimming is if I get knockedoff a boat, I can stay afloat
long enough for the boat to comeback and get me uh, so they,
they, uh.
Eric stallard had actuallytalked me into doing diving, and

(11:09):
diving for the rescue squad,which is not fun diving, because
you're, you know you're lookingfor bodies, bodies when you do
that.
But so when you, when youbecome a diver, part of the
certification for basic openwater diving is you have to
tread water for 10 minutes andswim 200 yards.

(11:33):
I don't do that.
So treading water, when youfigure it out, you know, you see
the, you know professionalpeople do it.
They're standing upright andkicking their feet, and just you
know looks like it's easy, Ifloated did you have to like
have hands out of the?
water, or was it just your headhad to be above water, so all I
had to do was float I did it foran hour in a pool last year I

(11:57):
was that you're probably spentyeah about that I was but it was
the swayingair and he said you can't do it
and I was like yeah, I tried todo the best breaststroke I could
do for about 10 yards, but I'mpretty much doggy paddled.
Uh, for the other 190 yards.
It was awful but I got throughit.
I'm like strap an air tank tomy high end.
I can breathe underwater, we'reokay.

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We're good, so, but anyway.
So we, we decided we were goingto do swift water training, and
what they wanted you to do wasswim across to the other side.
Now, I don't know if anybody'sever been at the bottom of
Laurel Lake Dam, at the spillway, but when that water comes out
it's like 40 degrees and it'smoving.

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So you had to swim sidewaysacross the lake.
I made it and may he rest insoul about five foot from jason
van hook, who had swam acrossfirst to take the rope apart,
and I made it about five footfrom him and I'm like nope, I'm
out straight down the river.
Straight down the river I wentand you know they tried to teach

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you to roll over in a seatedposition and you know, and I was
doing okay, but I had uhswallowed about 90 gallons of
water at that point.
Uh, they were trying to throwuh rescue ropes to me, but I
missed every one of them.
He's going too fast.
I was, I was humming, so,needless to say, uh, the

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instructor, uh, who was tryingto teach us, jumped in and it's
like like a jet with the windpushing you.
He was swimming with thecurrent pushing him and he swam
down.
We got out and I laid over onthe bank and I'm like y'all go
ahead, I'll uh, I'll throw arope to you, but my happy butt
probably don't need to be infast-moving cold water.

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It does not work out for me,but I made it, I guess your dad
was there and probably watchedme.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's where the story came from.
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
So we went back a few more times, but I'm reasonably
sure I never got back in theswift water side of it again.
Yeah, I never wanted to.
You need a dry land guy always.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I looked at doing like fishing, wildlife and
stuff like that, but they dothat.
They've got like 13 weeks ofthat type of training.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, I was like yeah I'm not they.
They basically do krav maga inthe pool.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean god love the navy seals and the coast guard
and everybody that has to do allthat, because I just I I'm out,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'm out on the water, my swimming is survival
swimming.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I said I can stay floating long enough for the
boat to come back and get me,but that's about it.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
One time when I was in the Marines well, I was in
boot camp and everybody's got todo swim qual in the Marines and
they pushed it.
You know you got up on the 10meter I think it's 10 meter
platform oh, the big island.
And they give you a pack andthat pack's waterlogged.
You know it was a rucksack,basically Alice pack and you're

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in full gear with a rubber rifleand they're like jump and you
hit the bottom of like 15 feet.
Yeah, it's gonna say youstraight to the bottom like a
rock.
You know, if you, if you'recalm, you can pop out like right
at the, you know just kind ofswim underwater, right at the
ladder.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But I saw so many people panic and you got a drop
pack and all that under there.
Is that what?
Now you swim with it you keepit, you got to keep it.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
You gotta learn how to've got to learn how to use it
.
Roll over, swim with that packon.
It is some hard work.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
That would be tough.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
So I was dumb.
That basically qualified you.
However, they were like keepgoing to the next phase.
So I got my basically lifeguardtraining, but it was the SQ1.
So I never had to take swimtests again, but it was the SQ1.
So I never had to take swimtests again, but you had to pull
somebody fully across the pool,which was probably 25 meters,

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and I went second, which was amistake.
The guy held me under the waterfor just about the whole time
over and I was like you know youabout drowned me.
Then you switch immediately.
I've never been more tired thanhaving to pull that guy across
the pool.
Toughest training I ever did wasin water.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, water intimidates me.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
It's crazy.
It's scary If you're not readyfor it it will get you.
So what else we got.
So, gary and I, I gosh, we camein.
You started then, but when didyou come to?
You know, when did we start?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
you switched over to the.
I switched over to the pd inmarch of 2000 when I got hired,
and I guess you were just acouple years after that.
I was, I got hired in 2002.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
yeah, yeah, went to the academy, so you worked.
We worked a lot of shiftstogether.
I think you might have whatshift were you mostly on at the
beginning?
Night shift, right?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Night shift was probably the biggest portion of
the 20 years I had there and youcame out of the detective's
office and came back to nightshift and came back to night
shift.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
When was that?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Was that 2018?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right right around 17 18 that's what my last three
years was you came to us prettyquick.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I did after yeah, we we worked.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
He had hair up until that point, a little bit, until
you came with you, and Patrick,he can.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
He can probably tell you how many times, while we
were working, he was the causeof me dropping my head and just
shaking it.
Well, it's fun, it was.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Gary and I worked a lot of a lot of night shift
together from the beginning.
When I came out of the academyhe was on night shift, him and
goob, and uh, yeah, there was abunch, and I I came on and as a
you know training under, yeah,somebody, and then wrote, you

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know, got to know these guys,one of the funniest things ever,
I believe.
I was still in academy and youwas out and, um, I was like, hey
, I called.
I don't know if I called you orcalled the police department.
Hey, can you at least you knowmy wife's has, uh, she's hearing
noises around the house.
I can't get there.
I'm in richmond.

(18:14):
So I think they went andchecked and you know it's after
that after that, we uh, we didhim dirty yeah, well, lisa.
Well, lisa and I were trying tohave kids a child and there was
countdowns of, yeah, that'sabout right.
Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
We hooked him up one morning.
I don't know if we were comingon shift or going home.
I was on day shift.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
No, I was coming home from second shift maybe I, you
know, I was transferred, youknow, rotated all over and
worked and I think I was pullingin my house he was.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
We set it up where.
We went over there and pulledin his driveway and as soon as
he rounded the corner off ofwhitley street onto his street,
we pulled out of the drivewayand went the other way.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Hey you might need some milk.
Thanks guys.
Yeah, just by the way if yourkid comes out looking like G,
don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
We used to play tricks like that all the time.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Oh we yeah man the old days.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
No joke, I sent a picture of Maddie when she was
probably six months old,something like that then.
I sent it to Dad and Dad saidhe said you might want to start
questioning in G.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
We had a lot of fun.
Gary and I spent a lot of timeon night shift together the most
fun policing.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I ever had.
Who did we have?
We had Jesse Spanky, oh gosh.
And who?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I can't remember who else, Doug, maybe Doug.
We had TC some.
Doug was in that swing shiftthen I think yeah mostly Spanky,
you know, doug, yeah, he wouldbe out for a little while, but
our night shift was fun.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
We had a hoot.
Of course in the wintertime,you know, of course night shift,
if you had a complaint, it wasa busy night.
I'm just talking about one.
Oh yeah, you know, especiallyin the wintertime it slowed way
down, so we would sometimeswatch a movie.
You had to one.
So yeah, you know, especiallyin the wintertime it slowed way
down, so we would, we would,sometimes we'd watch a movie you
have to and we would train madethe mistake one night of

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watching a paranormal.
Oh gosh, I forgot about thatexcellent movie well it was, and
, and I had a partner for therest of the night because Travis
couldn't be by himself.
I mean, we've covered this.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
You can't fight ghosts, you just can't.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, and I'll just tell you, of all the haunted
places, it seems like there'sone place I always had to check
the alarm by myself becausenobody else would go when On top
of the hill, the Star Robins.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Nobody would check that alarm.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But me.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well, if you had, what would happen?
You would never, and I'm goingto save that story for Derek
House and Josh Gaylor.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Were they up there with you.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I can't remember Josh and I had some experience.
I remember one time I got upthere and I was like Josh, what
are you doing here by yourself?
He's like what are you talkingabout?
He's like it's haunted up here.
His jaw about hit the ground.
Oh yeah, I forgot it was funny.
So we've had it and me andDerek up there.

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It's one of the funniest,scariest things I've ever been a
part of.
So I'm going to hold off onthat with Derek, because me and
Derek, for whatever reason andI'm scared of ghosts, obviously
apparently because you know Garyhad to clean out the seed every
night.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I tell you what when we had to those homeless people,
that was kept breaking into thecabin yeah, an AR doc yeah.
I hated clearing that thing.
It was so creepy you had todrive all the way back through
the cemetery.
And then here's the cabin inthe woods looking cabin, and
then it had an upstairs that youcouldn't see.
It's almost like going up intoan attic, like a loft yeah, and

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you're just hoping that when youpop those steps you don't see a
couple of eyes looking back.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Some of those are like checking alarms at funeral
homes yeah, when you had an opendoor.
You never knew which room, butyou knew there was going to be a
room that you were going towalk in.
Yes, something was going to bethere looking at you.
That's kind of weird.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's so scary, I hate it.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
No we've had we've talked about a lot of animals so
far in some of these episodesand having to dispatch animals
and that was a common occurrencedeer and all that.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I guess we tried as much as we could to get somebody
to come and catch it, so wedidn't have to do that but we
had, uh, we had one and theystill won't.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Let me live this down .
We had one deer get hit infront of ar dock and normally
you know they die, they're justlaying in that.
Well, this one was.
It just got maimed, its backlegs was messed up.
G shaking his head right nowlaughing about it already and uh
, it was crawling like throughthe, through the ditch and like

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bellowing that you know that doebleat or whatever.
So you know it's.
It's 4, 30 in the morning, fiveo'clock.
All the old old timers havestarted gathering at hardee's.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Because we were right there between a yard back,
because we ended up having anaudience.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.
So I was like, well, I'll getmy rifle out.
G shows up at that time andhe's like what are you going to
do?
I was like, well, I'm justgoing to shoot it in the head
and be done with it.
Well, I don't know if you'veever shot a deer in the head.
They've got a very small brain.

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So I hit it once and it flopped.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Then it came back up, so I was like well, I'll hit it
again.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
And then it's jaws hanging off, oh my gosh.
And then g's like kill it, killit.
So I'm just begging you, justkill it so.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So what do I?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
do?
I give it the old you know theold mazem beat and it still
didn't kill it.
Gee had to finally walk up toit and shoot it at the top of
the head with a pistol, but allthose old-timers and hardies
were out looking at it.
It sounded like Fallujah.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I'm like I've got to go get into the closet and get
another case of ammo for flash.
I just felt so bad.
I'm like just please please.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I was like.
I know I'm hitting this deer,it would not die.
Well, we've seen your shootingat rabid groundhogs.
I don't think I ever fired ashot on that one.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
That was all Pat.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't think you were there for that one.
I think that was Roby and Troy,but we had a calf over behind
the health department.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Huggy it might have been Hug, but we had a calf over
behind the health department.
Huggy it might have been, huggyit was huggy, this was me.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So we had it hemmed up in a corner and we was trying
to get somebody to come and getit.
It was a fence row on bothsides of it and we were out in
the middle, so we kind of had ithemmed in.
Well, this calf at the time meand the calf was roughly about
the same size oh, yeah, yeah.
So this this calf takes offrunning up the up the fence line

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to escape, and I don't knowwhat I was thinking, but I just
took off running and and we were, we were gonna, we were hit.
I'm not sure what was going tohappen had I hit this cow, but
he was about to find out.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
But I was about to find out.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
And just at the last minute, I guess this poor little
calf got just an extra littleburn to speed and I missed it.
But to this day I wonder whatwould have happened had I
shoulder tackled that calf.
We were both probably going tobe injured out of it.
I think you would have won, butsomething was going to happen.

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Yeah, Carol laid you out.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Ran into the end zone and did like a dance.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I wished we would have had that on camera, that
would have been great.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
There's a lot of stuff I wish we had on camera,
but it's probably a good thingwe don't.
Well, that's true.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I've seen the pictures of the goat being
caught midair, things like that.
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, we had good times.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
And we say all this.
You know it sounds like we'vekilled every animal.
No, that's not true, becausethe goat that got loose up in
one of the subdivisions, yeahback behind the donut shop.
Yeah, I got there and this goatwould almost come up to you and
it had a pink collar on it.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It was a pet.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
yeah, it had a pink collar on it and I just put a
leash on it.
I had a leash, or somebodybrought me one, I just put a
leash on it.
I had a leash, or somebodybrought me one.
I put it in the back of mycruiser and took it home with me
and then put it out on Facebook, but there's pictures of that.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
That made it to one of the Christmas parties.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it wouldn't return that goat, but that was
great.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, we talk about having to dispatch these animals
, and you would sometimes ifthere was no other options.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, we did, we, we tried, we sound like and you
know, quite often you know wewere able to get somebody to
come and, yeah, and and and getit.
And you know, most of the timenobody would, especially if it
was a cow that got loose.
Nobody ever really claimed it.
So if you got somebody to comeand get it, they just ended up
with an extra cow, right,absolutely what?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
uh, let's go back to our night shift days back in the
back in the days.
Me and gary would, we wouldride together a lot one I was
afraid of ghosts or we'd listen.
Something scared me.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
But you know, we just had, we just had a great time
we did, and of course you knowback then I guess you know we
sometimes, when had a great timetogether, we did, and of course
you know back then.
I guess you know we sometimes,when there wasn't a whole lot
going on, we would get bored andI don't remember who was
working with us that night.
It might have been Spanky, butI called Travis on the phone.
I was like hey, you wantsomething from Subway?
He's like where are you at?

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I said Subway down here, pilotnorth corbin.
It was doug.
Yeah, I'll tell you why.
Because travis was like uh,dude, I mean he's first who's in
the city.
No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, I had followed a car and um, so doug was
working and he was notorious toend up in towards rock castle
county.
I think he was at the 49 orsomething.
He was north.
I had followed a car and wentdown to the, missed my turn at
the way, at the scales, then gotadd, of course I ended up at

(29:04):
the 25, turned around.
When you called and gary's,like I'm in, I was like, oh my
gosh, I'm way in Whitley County.
You're in Corbin or Lily, Idon't know where you were.
And then Doug, I was like oh mygosh, who is left in the city?
He's covering that.

(29:25):
Like nobody.
Nobody, because you know Dougwas north.
He can't help it.
He's heading towards Pungo.
Yeah, he tried to.
Oh man, we had we night shiftwas.
It was just so much fun it was.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, we had we talk about a lot on here, but it was
just well, I mean, my entirecareer, as short-lived as it was
was, was night shift and Ipreferred it even.
I mean, my wife would alwayssay, when are you going to go to
Days?
And my response was alwaysnever.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Not if I can keep from it.
I slept better when I was onDays.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, the schedule was better on Days, but the job,
the lifestyle the environment.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
everything was just the camaraderie.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Oh, it's better on nights.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
And I always used to tell my bunch we'd try to figure
out something going on, we'dtry to figure out what to do and
I'm like, listen, we'll makeour decision and tonight we're
right.
Yeah, now I may get a call fromthe chief in the morning
telling me how wrong I was.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, but tonight we're gosh gary, me and gary'd
walk out of the pd or we'd ridearound with our heads out the
window sniffing out meth labs.
We'd we'd end up in some kindof some kind of weird stuff all
the time.
Foot patrols together, like meand Doug and him we had a ball,
one of the best times ever, andGary was good as a supervisor,

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keeping you from stepping onyour own meat.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Why try?
Because I remember one nightand it's a good thing now.
I mean, I was aggravated aboutit at the time, but we was both
young officers, me and Bobby andthere was a turd that we had to
deal with all the time and hewould always run from us and we
knew he jumped in the backwindow of the house.
He lived in his grandma's house, all that, yeah, yeah, and we

(31:10):
was like we're going in afterhim, we're crawling through this
one and g's like no towardsarmistice.
Yeah, yeah, it was like he'slike he's talking to children
any kind of.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean, in a way, he kind of was well, but yeah you
know the funny thing we can kickthis door because he's like no
when, when me, and when me androbie ended up being uh, being
on night shift supervisors.
If you took the three patrolmenthat we had and added their
years of service together, itdidn't equal five.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
And we were full of piss and vinegar too.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
And it's good that you got aggravated because you
were wanting to get into thingsand you were eager.
It is our job to harness andthere is a hard and they did a
good thing.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Get that bottle.
We had a lot of goodsupervisors that were like that
for the most part.
That gave you just enough ropeand then didn't let you hang
yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
as far as I'll never forget poor Flash trying to get
involved in a pursuit and nevercould.
They were always over, or yeah,I don pursuit and never could.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
They were always over , or yeah, no, I don't know who
got me for forever.
So this is a.
This is a longer story.
It's got multiple points,multiple parts, so let's start
at walmart, okay because that'syeah, so we had.
Uh, it was a slow night and itwas during the winter, and uh,
they had a milk truck.
And this is g came from thedetective's office.
So this, this is pretty funnytoo, but they had a milk truck

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and it had.
When it made the turn intowalmart, its back doors was open
and like 100 gallons of milkspills out on 192, so they give
it out on the radio.
We all go 97 area and 97 meansthat we're on scene in the area.
Um, and they're there first.

(33:03):
It's him and another officer,they get there first.
Well, neither one of them canfind it, or well you can?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
you went to the parking lot he found the truck
that had, uh, the doors open,but didn't that's where the guy
was like that wasn't me, and I'mlike he says it wasn't him yeah
, so that that was, was he over?
There crying over the spiltmilk or not no, he had no idea
he was inside walmart.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't think he knew , and then, uh, one of the other
officers he's still working, soI won't name him, but he came
through the area and how hemissed this.
I mean it was.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
It covered the entire intersection of 192 and right
there in front of the postoffice and all that.
Yeah, that's a big spill but hesaid he's like I'm 98, I can't
find it.
So I drive up, I'll find it,because it's a huge spill in the
middle.
So I park my car there and turnthe lights on and everything.

(33:59):
Well, we get the roaddepartment to come out, I guess,
and they come and clean it up.
Well, they park their dumptruck on the other side of my
car and and instead of justpicking all this stuff up,
they're chucking these gallonsof milk over top of my car into
the dump truck.
Oh, my gosh.

(34:21):
And it's like 12 degrees outside, so I have frozen milk Like 90
gallons of frozen milk all overhis car All over my car.
And I've been trying to get intoa pursuit, for it just never
worked out.
Like crap.
What happened where I'd be onthe third floor of a hotel and
the guy runs down the stairs andends up jumping in a car and it

(34:41):
gets in foot pursuit and by thetime I and somebody else gets
in it would be always besomething.
So they bugged me for foreverabout washing that off my car.
I was like, well, I can see,it's all right, it's not going
to come off in the car wash.
It's starting to smell.
Yeah, at this point it'sstarting.
So I was like, all right, it'sslow, it's dead, nothing's
happening.
I'm gonna go get in the carwash.

(35:01):
I run through one of thoseautomated car washes and it, you
know it locks you in.
You've got that crossbar infront of you can't go any
farther, and as soon as I do,one of the other officers on our
shift at that time calls out inpursuit.
And I'm right there, but Ican't get out.
He's stuck in I'm stuck in thecar wash.

(35:23):
So it's like, and it was at thepoint to where the brush was
coming around swinging.
So every time the brush wouldcome around swinging I go an
inch forward just as much as Icould.
Then it's swing around again.
It is, I mean it is, it waslike.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Austin.
Powers trying to turn around sohere I make it six miles out
472.
We've got the guy in custodyand I guess it was Roby was
sitting right at 472 in theparkway.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Richie, was it Richie , richie, sitting right at 472
in the parkway?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
richie.
Was it richie, richie, sittingright at 472 in the parkway I'm
still running signal.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I'm coming.
This is one of those things forrichie to tell this story.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
It needs to be on video.
Yes, you just have to see himtell this story.
Yeah, he's just one of thempeople, you really need to watch
him we may have to do that,he's supposed to be here
tomorrow.
Uh, but you, you've got to watchthis.
So he's like I'm just sittinghere, y'all are out there doing
your thing, and I hear thissiren coming in the distance.
And I look down the parkway andhere comes a cruiser with blue

(36:20):
lights on.
He's like I'm wanting to work.
And here comes Flash around thecorner.
He's like they're in pursuit.
He's like no, no, they're not,it's over.
Just quit.
You over, just quit, you're goodman, you'll get one.
Maybe robie gets in pursuit onthe interstate going south and
flashes on like the.
That was the fourth floor, thatwas the one where I was like

(36:41):
he's up on the third floor iswhere they said he's at.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I said I'll go up, you all stay on the bottom, so
if he runs down you grab him.
Well, he runs down and runs outthe back, so nobody grabs him
until he gets in his car.
And then I mean and that was atthat point in time we had just
started that new pursuit policytoo, where it had to be a
felony- and he couldn't drivethe wrong side of the road and I

(37:04):
was listening to it.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
But I was one of them nights when broby cussed at me
because I had taken off work.
Well, it was one of those.
It was one of those things,it's like I was.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I was in, you know, wanted to be in the pursuit, but
then as it progressed I waslike, hey, I'm kind of glad I'm
not yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
He was the only one left in town.
It ended up in corbin.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I mean I'm pretty sure it didn't.
It didn't it was way down southsomewhere, because I ended up.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I was sitting at the house listening to it and I
ended up having to make all thenotifications, calling the chief
and everybody to tell them whatwas going on.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Because you couldn't sleep at night.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
No, that's it.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
I don't know how many times I'd be like I'd call Gary
, because we only worked whattwo nights together, the way it
worked out.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Maybe three.
You were, let's see, threenights together, Because I had
two RDOs, you had two RDOs andthen we were together the other
three.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
So we would work, you know, and those RDOs, if he was
working and I was off, I'd bedown in my basement like a.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, you can't switch the day shift on your two
days off, no, so you just foundsomething to do.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
You'd be miserable, you know everybody sleeps, so
I'd call Gary, what are youdoing?
And then, hey, come pick me up,I'll ride around with you for
an hour or so until I get sleepy.
It'd be four hours into it andwe'd be into something.
I'd be like, oh my gosh, I justwant to go home now.
But it would happen.
It's funny.
Now, I'm sure you've got someother good stories here, but

(38:28):
your detective time?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm sure there's some great funny stuff that happened
to you there.
Well, I've actually got apicture of joe smith.
We went to somebody's house oneday and nobody answered the
door.
Then joe holds up a sign thatthe guy had on his front porch
that said come back with awarrant so you did so we well,
probably I don't remember but Ithink we did, me and joe one
time we was looking for stolencopper.

(38:53):
So we were going to all thejunkyards that we could find see
if anybody been bringing right.
I don't remember what it gotstolen, one of the radio towers
or something, uh, but we're,we're somewhere down in whitley
county trying to find this placein the middle of nowhere.
And we finally looked at theGPS trying to figure out where
we were, that we was at.

(39:14):
I'm like, oh, dude, we're inTennessee down here, but I when
I was working interdiction itwas.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
We were working a detail down down at the Welcome
Center in Whitley County.
What's that like a two-milemarker, maybe One-mile marker?
Yeah, probably, yeah, probably,but we were stopping some cars
down there because we had youknow at the time, I had
jurisdiction in every countythat was in that task force, but

(39:45):
not Tennessee.
And I remember stopping somebodypast the Tennessee Welcome
Center just because I couldn'tget to them.
I was trying, you know.
I was like, oh, I think I'veblown it, because when I lit
them up I was still in Kentuckybut that Tennessee sign came in
quick.
I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You started in Kentucky, so I mean, I think
that's fair.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
But so I have stopped somebody in another state.
It was pretty fun.
Well, you know and I remember Iwas like, oh my gosh, I got to
hurry up because I'm about topee on myself again.
I always end up in a bad spot.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
It happens a lot.
I mean, that happens a lot.
I can't tell you how manysituations I've been in where
you just go, you're going totake this easy call and you've
got to pee or something.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
anyways, You're this easy call and you've got a p or
something.
Anyways, you're like well, thispodcast always ends up with the
p story.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, it's like you're going to end up 30
minutes getting to the call ifyou go to back to the pd and use
the bathroom that's right.
So I mean I just go to the calland then it ends up.
Two hours later you still ain'tpeed and you're dealing with a
mess I think you've.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
You've told a story and uh on this podcast already
and of course nobody ever calledme and told me they had a video
.
But I was checking the alarm ata place one night and I had to
pee and I found a dark corner.
So I went in and was doing mybusiness.
I was sitting there lookingaround, I looked up and there
was a surveillance camera in thecorner pointed right at me.

(41:07):
I'm too late now.
Here I am, you can't stop toolate.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Now here I am.
You can't, you can't, you can'tstop.
I was uh, I would always go up.
London mountain view would be awas a good spot, because
there's nobody up there and agreat view and a great view.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
P with a view everybody over at lico was was
always on top of the hill was agood spot but it was like three
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
There there is some gorgeous spots, just overlooks
here that you, that people thatdon't work night shift, have no
idea about.
Oh, that's right, mountain viewhas one of the prettiest,
prettiest views, oh yeah, around.
And so does so does over thereat the somerset communities and
different places.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Man we had some fun, me and me and travis harley.
Uh, the rest is all.
I love that guy.
But uh, it was snowing onenight, a raining one, and I
don't know if you you've noticed, but at the time it the parkway
in 192, the dead end that theroad going all the way across

(42:09):
didn't exist, so there was justa big bank there right.
Well, there was a slot bankingin the roadway and we figured
out if, if you turn and leftonto the parkway from 192, you
could trumpet and just cut themost beautiful massive donut
there ever was.
So me and me and Travis wentout there one night for like two
hours and one would stand guardwhile the other would go up

(42:32):
there and cut it.
I bet we went through a tank ofgame.
I could just hear his laugh,right now, oh my gosh, greatest,
most infectious laugh ever.
We had a ball that night.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Gosh, he was funny.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
It's not always professionalism.
Sometimes you're just as much adelinquent as you're trying to
prevent.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Oh I know I remember one night me, you and somebody
else riding, and Darryl, maybeDarryl, kilburn there was three
of us riding in one vehiclebecause it snowed and somebody
had the only four-wheel driveout and we decided to go out and
patrol, you know, check ourbuildings, whatever.

(43:15):
Nothing else going on, I guess.
So Darrell stops the vehiclefor doing donuts, gary gets out
and talks to the guy, brings thepaperwork back to me and I
hand-filled a ticket, so it waslike, and then I went and
delivered it.
So it was like we, we uh,triple teamed this guy on one
ticket he didn't know his heartI bet he freaked out like well

(43:38):
who.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I used to go over there all the time.
But you know, truthfullyspeaking, when there's a good
snow on it, you've got 16, 17,18 year olds that don't have a
lot of driving experience.
The best way to learn how todrive in the snow is take them
to an empty, empty parking lot.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Just let them have it yeah, well, I mean, they do
that in the academy.
For us they just had to fight askid and had a jay car.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know I used to take them unmarked four-wheel
drives and go hide in theparking lot and we had good
snows on because they didn'tknow you were the police and
people start cutting donuts andI just roll over to them and
turn the blue lights on and youcan just see the color drain out
of their face.
I'm like you know.
I stopped a guy one night andhe's like man, I know he said,
but my niece is here from Texasand God love her.

(44:22):
She ain't never seen snow, soI'm like I do that.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
For the most part it's harmless fun.
I mean, you don't want propertydamage, you don't want those
things trying to prevent, butit's kind of a all right, you
had your fun, I'm here, get outof here, just go on, go on, yeah
, and I think the reason wewrote that one, the ticket, and
it's probably a warning ticket,but the snow had probably gone
away and he was in the middle oflike 15 cars at a hotel parking

(44:48):
lot.
So we were like, eh, that's alittle too dangerous as far as
that goes.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So yeah he got out of control.
You know, and when you startpolicing, you really don't think
about what's going on.
You know, you just do yourthing and that's the end of it.
And then you get promoted, andthen you all of a sudden have to
worry about everything that'sgoing on.
So I remember when I first gotpromoted to sergeant, I was

(45:14):
going up fifth street and thedispatch hollered at us and said
there was, somebody, hadstarted a pursuit and it was
headed towards london.
So I'm like, all right, I'm onfifth street, so I'd turn on my
license irons and I'm screamingdown fifth street.
Well, all these officersstarted hollering at me.
Like, you know, I'm here, youwant me to go here.
I'm here.

(45:34):
I'm like why?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
are you all hollering at me?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
And then I was like, oh crap, I'm the boss, what do I
do?
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Which, if you've got a good crew, I mean, and that
was what I liked about our crew,me and jake and I didn't know
that I didn't.
I didn't have to worry aboutnothing, I just, if they needed
me, I was available we got towhere we clicked and a good
night shift that's what wetalked about with doug is how
much closer the night shiftswere with each other.
But you work with those guys solong you don't even I mean you
get out on a call, you know whatthey're, they're going to do,

(46:11):
you don't even have toconversate about it.
You've each got cover on eachother.
I mean, it's just it mesheswell.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
It does.
But just like a brotherhood,you're going to have beef,
you're going to check, you'regoing to get in shouting matches
and do fist fights with eachother.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
But see, that's the thing.
That's what it is, but that'spart of it.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, when you throw a bunch of type A personalities
together and everybody'sopinionated, everybody's
something, you know, morale'slow or something's going on that
you don't want to do there'sgoing to be that little strife,
and that was the thing with us.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
You know, sometimes we got told we needed to do
things that, even as thesupervisors, we didn't think was
necessary.
But sometimes those decisionscome from people higher up so
you've got no choice.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
What I learned is some of those decisions don't
come from inside the department.
Some of that stuff comes fromnext door, from higher up,
higher than the police chief.
We would always.
You all don't know that,because there's got to be a
filter.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well and that's what I always said is there needs to
be more transparency.
Like you tell me something andI'm like, well, that sounds
stupid.
Why are we doing it?
But you tell me why we're doingit, I mean I'm going to do it.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
no matter what, because it was an order and it
was lawful but learning thegeneration, learning the
generational how to lead whereyou were born, what time period?
You can't supervise everybody.
The same.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
That doesn't mean that you're given to one and not
given to the other.
You just have to lead to thattype of personality and and
still get, still, get.
Done what?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
if you tell gen x or what?
What are gen x or x?
So if you tell us to go do this, you know we're the original
latch key kids, of course.
Okay, we're to go do that.
Okay, when the millennial stuffstarted coming around, and
that's fine.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
That is perfectly fine to explain why.
I want to know why is this allof a sudden changing, and what's
our target here?
What are we trying toaccomplish with this?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
And that is fine to ask.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Now, sometimes I don't know that was not always
greeted with I don't know is nota good enough answer.
No, sometimes you can say, hey,I don't know, let me get back to
you and that might get, andthen you have to actually get
back for example, there was onenight that we had to count semis
coming down main street and Iwas like this is the dumbest

(48:53):
thing that we have ever beentold to do.
So here I am counting semis andI mean.
And then when we finallylearned that I was like, okay,
it makes sense.
I mean it's still kind ofstupid, but it makes sense, I
understand.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Right, they were having some of us feeding
through there, so they wanted toknow what the county is to see,
to see if they could changesome kind of.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Right and it made sense.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Ordinance or something that they could do we
would always let them, you know.
If you don't like it, tell us.
I don't like doing that.
We would, because I think whenyou intimidate officers to the
point where they're afraid tospeak up or give their opinion,
I think you need to even.
You know.
You know it's like, wasn't?
I know you don't like it, Iknow you don't appreciate it,

(49:34):
but it is what it is.
You're still going to have todo it.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
But if you, if you make them afraid to voice their
opinion, I think you hurt moraleyou doale is a top-down problem
it is, and I would say thatadministration is one of your
biggest faults in a lot ofagencies right now, and I

(49:59):
understand.
Once you get collar brass andthose stripes, things change.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
You've got different obligations, different things
you've got to do, but the goalis not to forget where you come
from Exactly.
And remember, I don't understandsomething that's going on here.
It's just like every private inthe Army or the Marines thinks
they're a general Right.
There's a reason there, becausethey can't sometimes see past

(50:26):
what's surrounding them andwhere they're at Up, more higher
to the top, you're seeing thebig picture.
You're getting the pressurefrom maybe the mayor's office or
the council or just privatecitizens, but if you don't
translate that down to them inan effective way, you will lose

(50:46):
those people and that's theworst thing to lose the trust of
your lowest jobs.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
And I'm sure it's the same with military.
If you've lost respect of yoursubordinates, then they're not.
I mean it's hard to work forsomebody you don't respect.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
And that's when people leave.
So leadership is so importantand it's not about leading
because I say it's leadingbecause I need to know
individually how to lead eachperson.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And you've got to find that fine line of criticism
and correction that breedsconfidence rather than creating
hesitation.
Because you get an officer outthere that's he's like, well,
should I do this or not?
And then you get people thatend up calling, asking for
permission to do everythingRight.

(51:37):
And then you know because weworked with guys like that, what
.
And then you've got guys thatyou know they're afraid to do
their job the way they know howand the way that's correct,
because they're afraid that, notfor fear of, you know, death or
bodily harm, but fear ofcatching that heat from above.

(51:58):
Yeah, it's a fine line.
Yeah, so I mean, it's what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
We had a domestic one , that I mean, and the lady was
already out of the house, butthe guy was going to go to jail.
Yeah Well, the apartment waslocked when we got there and we
couldn't get in, and it was oneof those that was up on the
second level and you just walkout in front of it.
Well, the window next to thedoor was unlocked.

(52:27):
So we got that and it.
You know, a little short pudgyme, I like to never, but I
finally ended up meandering myway through this open window.
Well, the first thing I did,instead of running after the
guys, I unlocked the door so theother officers could get in.
As soon as I opened that door,eric Stallard just blew past me

(52:48):
like I wasn't even in there,went straight back to the
bedroom, found this guy in thebedroom and commenced a fight
with him.
So I go around the corner.
I'm like, after all, I justwent through to get through this
window.
I go around the corner and someother officers come in and they
started to try to run to helphim and I just put my arm out,
held him back.

(53:08):
I said try to run to help himand I just put my arm out, held
him back.
I said, nope, let him fight.
He wanted in here this bad.
You know, I don't know I wasn'tgonna let him get hurt, but I'm
like, nope, let him have at it.
So we just stood there andwatched for like five minutes
before eric and I'm like that'swhat you have, and stowell is
all of about four foot tall and120 pounds.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
He can fight a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
He's stattered.
But yeah, I was just like,after all, I went through and
you had fun, you had a good show, oh man.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
The times have changed from them.
Days, though it's funny.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Funny stuff you know we used to deal with.
I won't talk about her becauseshe passed away, but if you've
never fought a naked, red-headed, mentally challenged female,
you've not lived.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Things change when the clothes come off on any call
.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I made her so mad one night.
Of course we would have to dealwith her until she'd get
evicted, and then she'd move toan apartment out in the county
and the sheriff's office wouldhave to deal with her until she
got evicted out there and thenshe would end up back in the
city.
But I made her so mad one nightshe wrote my name and like 12
inch letters on her wall and ablack permanent marker is to one

(54:26):
of the individuals that she didnot like.
I made her so mad that I got acall from a dispatcher at the
state police asking me what Ihad done to her and I'm like
nothing.
I guess that's the problem he'slike, because she's called down
here trying to get us to comeput you in jail nothing like

(54:46):
getting a police call, oh yeah,gee uh gee.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Has a habit of running into naked women on I do
.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's weird.
I guess it's about like youfinding us, yeah, finding all
the toys sex toys.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I don't know what it was with.
I mean there was.
If I searched a car, I wouldfind two or three of them, it
didn't matter I mean how manytimes I've drove by, it doesn't
matter whose car.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
many times I've drove by him, it didn't matter whose
car?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I could search your car and probably find five of
them.
You wouldn't ever have them.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
You're just sitting outside the store down here yeah
.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
The old Purple Palace .
Yeah, I've come by.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I don't know how many times you could go by him on a
traffic stop and and there wouldjust be some sex toy suction
cup to the side of the vehiclebecause he had found it.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I'm like I bet, yeah, I'll tell that story because
bobby wanted me to and I'llrefer to him as bobby.
So you, if you know, you know,but he's, he's still working,
doing his thing.
But we uh is a regular, regularturd that we dealt with over
and over again.
He was dope head, dope dealerand we got him pulled over and

(55:50):
was searching the vehicle andeverything and found this I mean
, it was like as big as my arm,uh, a prosthetic, if you will,
and had a suction cup on the onthe base of it.
So we really didn't haveanything on him that time for
anything other than you knowspeed, you know his ticket, seat

(56:11):
belt ticket, all this.
You know what we stopped himfor in the beginning.
And then, uh, but he, he wantedso bad out of that ticket and
he's like, listen, we'll cutyour break.
And uh, I said, but here's thedeal before you leave, you've
got a suction cup, that thing,to the hood of your car like a

(56:33):
hood ornament and we're likehe'll never do that well, he
called our bluff on it.
He stuck it right to the hood,drove off of it like a
rhinoceros that is, but it getsworse.
So you know how, when you starttalking to these druggies and
junkies and stuff like that,they'll tell you a life story
and tell you all kinds of stuff.

(56:53):
So that was a replica not ofhis but his cousin's, so he
Don't know why.
I guess he was using it forLittle League T-ball, For
something I don't know why.
I guess he was using it for.
Little.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
League T-Ball For something I don't know why.
Of course, you know, being asupervisor, I guess you don't
always have to get involved,especially if you've got a good
crew, like I, you know, tendedto have.
So you know, not like you know,Travis Travis, who was
notorious for going through manycans of OC spray haha, me I

(57:34):
hated that stuff I'd rather.
But I you know, I guess minehadn't been used in so long,
there might have been a littledust gather up around the,
around the the nozzle.
So we'd went down to the hangaror a restaurant down by the
airport at the time because weused to go down there every
weekend because of drunks andfights and whatnot.
But we'd got this guy cuffed upand got him in the back of the

(57:57):
car.
Well, he started kicking thedoors and windows of the car.
So we went over and I openedone door and god love his heart
spanky opened the other door andwe both went in at the same
time.
Well, I went to a pepper spring.
Well, I guess that big dirt ballbroke loose when I hit the
trigger and you know we me andspanky were both within a foot

(58:19):
from him, so that big dirt ballcome out and hit that dude right
between the eyes and splatteredand I ended up pepper spraying
me, him, spanky well, and that'sthe thing with oc.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
It doesn't matter.
Nobody wins when you ocsomebody, because, especially if
you have to go hands-onafterwards, it's everybody's
getting a dose.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
I became very okay with it.
I've developed a, an immunity.
Immunity, uh.
Pepper sprayed a couple itkilled me.
I mean it bothered me, don't getme wrong, when I was in the
academy and they sprayed us.
We did some kind of nightdriving that evening and it
snowed so we was doing skidstuff on the track at night or

(58:59):
nighttime driving qualificationsafter we pepper sprayed and it
was back when they cotton balledit and covered your dominant
eye if you've never, you don'trealize that you can absorb a
massive amount of old sea sprayin a car and it reactivates yeah
, at any time.
It didn't matter if you sweat alittle bit, if the wind hit you

(59:19):
right, we did ours ended upgetting, uh, getting postponed
for a couple days.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
So we ended up getting pepper sprayed at like
eight o'clock in the morning,yeah, and then we had to set
through intoxilizer class thewhole rest of the day.
So everybody had went towalmart the day before and
bought them little 99 centbattery operated fans yeah,
there was a lot of that everytime the instructor would say,
all right, you know, becauseevery hour you'd take a break
like, all right, we're goinggonna take a break.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
All you could hear through the classroom was those
little fans starting up we, wegot hit with it and then we had,
we had a break, and then thatthat was the day that we had, so
we got O seed in the morningand went through our course with
that, and then we had a breakand then had PT DT no that's way
, so we had.

(01:00:06):
Crossfit.
That there at end and it allreactivated.
But we learned.
As bad as you think that pouringDawn, dishwashing liquid into
your eyeball would feel, that'swhat everybody ended up doing.
Just to get everything out ofit, they washed their eyes out
with Dawn.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
It was like pour milk Milk would help.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Know it was like poor milk or uh, milk would help,
just temporary.
Now my, you know my roommate,um, he took a shower like right
after and everybody was like becareful when you take a shower
because it you know, it'll allrun down and I got lean over, I
got shannon morgan as good as Igot anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Guy jumped up trying to fight, kick you know, carry
on, and I just just a quicklittle stop.
It hits the guy like right inthe nose, bridge of the nose,
and went straight off, HitShannon Morgan directly in the
eyeball and Shannon's like ohyeah, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I was sitting there, we was on that break and he was
taking a shower and, uh, all ofa sudden I just hear screaming.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
he hadn't leaned into the, into the showerhead, and
he let it all ran down got downto his nethers I'll tell you one
while we were talking aboutO'Shannon Good friend, great guy
.
He's still in law enforcementin a different capacity.

(01:01:33):
I work with his wife now at aschool, with Ashley, I found out
the other day.
I thought she got mad at me onetime and she was.
She was legit mad.
You remember when the collegekids would come out and ride
with us and they you know,female, male, whatever, she was

(01:01:53):
extremely pregnant and you knowwe've all had pregnant wives,
right, and she apparently I'dput one of these college females
, girls, with Shannon, just histurn, and I didn't know she was

(01:02:13):
mad about that.
I had zero idea that she wasupset about that.
So she comes to the PD becauseshe's concerned and the female
had already left.
But she's there.
She's highly, highly mad at meand Shannon, but mostly me
because I made my mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
You set that dynamic up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
No See, I'm still not aware of why Shannon gets out
of his car in the summertime andhis vest reaped.
I mean, it stunk, he was canine, then wasn't he?
Yeah, he was canine.
So you had the car, you had hisvest and he came out of that
car and I smelled him from whileI was walking up the back steps

(01:02:54):
.
I'm like, shannon, your assstinks.
I didn't say Shannon, I saidGod, your ass stinks, that's all
I said.
But she was on the steps goingup behind me or in front of me,
so she's like, excuse me, I wastalking about your stinky
husband, not you.
And oh my gosh, I thought firewas going to shoot out of her

(01:03:18):
eyes.
So until like two weeks ago,because I told the secretary at
her school and the principal Iwas like Ashley's mad, she
didn't like me because of thisincident.
Because I said, you know, herhusband stunk when she thought I
was talking to her.
She's like, so she startstelling the story that she was

(01:03:39):
mad over the college kid and Iwas like, oh, all these years I
thought it was because I saidyour ass stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I was like oh, I feel better about this now, man, she
was mad at me, Like held thatgrudge until I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Later I was like well , you know, that was my chance
to like apologize.
I was like that was nothingpersonal about that, that was
just his turn in the rotation tohave a ride-along.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
But I thought she was mad at mebecause I said she stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I used to get fussed at over those.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, the ride-alongs yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Officer hollered at me one night and said hey, I'm
going to go home and eat lunch,I don't care if she gets with
you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
And I won't say who she was, but I was like, uh, no,
yeah, you got to be carefulwith some of that stuff and he
was, and he remembered tellingme later.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
He said you said no, he said I got to thinking uh-oh
yeah exactly so it was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
It was interesting times when the college kids I
mean you, but you were one ofthose college ride-alongs I mean
it's just it's part of thecollege class, especially,
especially around here, somersetCommunity, eastern or whatever
you know, with the big criminaljustice degrees that they got
credits for, yeah, basicallyriding around Anybody that ever
picks my brain or asks me aboutyou know, should I go into it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I was like go do a ride-along.
I was like go see exactly whatit is, because you can't go off
of what you see on TV.
You can't go watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Go ride with these agencies that you're interested
in and make sure that's what youknow and you know.
I guess sometimes it's on theagency too, because you know
some agencies won't let them outof the car, won't let them do
anything, so it's really hardfor them, yeah but you know, and
I get it to a certain extent,because some situations you get
in you don't want well, andthat's what I always told my
ride alongs was uh, I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
You know you're not supposed to get out of the car,
don't I mean?
If it's something, I'll tellyou.
I'll tell you when I said also,my off duty is in that door and
if you see me getting my asswhipped, grab it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, because I've had several.
It's like what am I supposed todo?
This happened.
I'm like listen, don't let meget hurt yeah, just don't let me
get hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
So so yeah, that man, we had some good times.
What else stories you got?

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I know you got something else, we're getting
close to our hour mark but thereis one more story that I want
him to, if he can talk about it.
That, uh, it involves theinterstate and a guardrail oh my
gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Yes, let me, I'm gonna pause cuz I I gotta pee
again.
Okay, y'all keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah, just just hurry up yeah so you know which one
I'm talking about.
Yes, that one, yeah, no thatthat should be fine, yeah, I
think the lesson in gravity?
Yeah, that was that was badyeah uh, fortunately he lived so

(01:06:37):
so to set the stage which, whatwas it?
A traffic stop, or what was?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
no, it was a a hit and run on the interstate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
The guy was and he was the run, he was the run.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It was southbound on the interstate.
He had clipped a car and keptgoing.
How he made it as far as he didI'll never know, because his
car was absolutely not drivable.
So I guess it was just sheerspeed right that he was going.
It was the only way he made itas far as he did.
So I showed up and checked onthe people.

(01:07:13):
They're like we're fine, yeah,he's on down.
So I went on down and andpulled in and and there was a
gap in between me and himbecause when I first got there
there was a volunteer fireman orsomebody, because it was in
like the middle lane of theinterstate so there was a
volunteer fireman or somebodyhad pulled up behind him and was

(01:07:37):
keeping traffic from hittinghim.
So when I pulled up there wasprobably a 20 yard gap between
me and where the car was.
So as soon as I walked up tothe guy, the guy was just
walking around his car in a veryslurred speech.
It was just kept repeating thisis bad, this is bad.
I'm like well, he's drunk hiscar's tore all the pieces.

(01:07:57):
So yeah, you're right this isbad.
So, uh, I had got him trying toget him to to stay over, away
from the middle of theinterstate because I didn't want
him to get run over because hewas just staggering around
anyway.
So I said let me get yourdriver's license.
I went back to my car.
I was going to run his driver'slicense and get my PBT to see

(01:08:19):
how drunk he was.
Well, this turns out.
I think it was like DUI 5th.
Which is a felony 4th is afelony, so this would be another
felony I'm sitting here gettingmy stuff and I look and he runs
over and gets over to where theguardrail is and just jumps
over.
Well, I think his intentionswere I don't want to go to jail,

(01:08:42):
so I'm going to run.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
He just didn't realize where he was at.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
He didn't realize we were on top of an overpass, yeah
, and the ground underneath himwas 30 feet, yeah, and not two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
So as soon as he goes over, I'm just like oh, no, oh,
there's video, and the look ongary's face is priceless I mean
it's just like oh, it's terrorand there's a good thing there
was video and that's that's whyI'm saying about the body cam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
When he landed there, good when he landed on the on
the road, he landed on the whiteline and you know just shoulder
length away, miss the guard.
Yeah, so how do you hit thatguard rail?
I did what.
It would have been bad, though,but I see him obviously not
moving, unconscious, so I'mcalling for help and they're

(01:09:31):
like how do we get go to ParkerRoad?
You can't get there from here.
He jumped over the bridge.
So, jesse, I didn't know thatcar could go that fast were we
in Crown Vicks?

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
we were in Crown Vicks.
It may not have been going fast, but it sounded like it, so
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Jesse, come by me trying to get off the interstate
and get down there to him.
Some guy had was coming downthe interstate and me and Travis
couch was sitting there lookingand I'm like, oh no, no, no,
this guy finally sees him andhits the brakes and squalls and
he gets out.
He's like what do I do?
And I'm like nothing, leave himbe, you know, turn your

(01:10:09):
flashers on, so but and ofcourse they ended up, you know,
lamblitz comes in and gets himand hauls him off and he ends up
living.
I was like, but his uh,somebody in his family was, was
kind of coming around the pd,because at the time they thought
, you know that I may haveactually thrown him off the
bridge.
I'm like, I promise I didn'tthrow him off the bridge.

(01:10:31):
Well, you know, we didn't havebody cameras then, but we had
the dash cameras in the car andnot to date myself, but they had
, uh, they were vcrs in thetrunks of our car, right?
so you had vhs tapes that wererecorded it was recording, uh,
the events, but they finally, uh, whoever the the family member

(01:10:53):
was had, came by and and theyfinally let him sit down and see
the video.
To you know, I was 30 yardsfrom him.
He was all by himself when,when he went overboard, freaky
well, it probably didn't helpJesse coming over there going
what'd you do throw him off Wellyeah, I don't know if he really
said that, but I could assumehe did.

(01:11:16):
Travis Couches who came to me.
Jesse, actually drove past meand went down to the, but yeah,
there was a few jokes about methrowing him off.
I'm like no, no, no, no, upuntil then.
But yeah, there was a few jokesabout me throwing him off.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no,Because up until then you know,
if you said something like that,it wasn't no big deal.
I'm like well you know, Iactually had somebody go over
the bridge on me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Well, and that right there just goes to show you how
quickly things can escalate toworst-case scenarios.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Oh, absolutely, you know because?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
I mean to me it was going gonna be a hit and run DUI
Simple.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Yeah, that was it man .
That guy he like did an armyroll like a ranger roll off that
thing too it was not, it wasimpressive.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
He just really honestly thought Like he was
clearing a log off the course hewas so pissed, that's what it
looked like he was like I'mhitting the field running.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah, he was just too drunk to realize.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
I've seen Looney Tunes, you know it's like a Wile
E Coyote type moment, like herehe goes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
He went over to the bridge and went meep, meep.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Pretty much gone, isn't it?
Oh my gosh, it was one of thosewhere you're glad it's recorded
for sure, and just kind of likethe Willieie board incident
there, but it's better seeing it.
Yeah, but this in this case itwas just nice to have to clear

(01:12:41):
any wrong, of course absolutelythose dash cameras were.
You know the robotic hands asmuch resistance as we had to
them that you just become.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I hate them.
I didn't want them, but then,then I was gonna say but you
know, at the end of the day Idon't know any different I don't
think so, because most of thetime I forgot the stupid thing
was even there, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So you know I did what I did yeah I never, never
had to quit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
You know, I use the same tone of voice with
everybody.
If I had to get, if I had toget loud with somebody, I did.
If I had to fly, blow them realbad and give them a little
language.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
The only time that you ever had any issue with them
is when we talked about thisbefore Accidental activations,
or you left it on, on accidentor it caught a side conversation
that was dark humor and allthat.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
That's hard to explain and you should be
mindful of what you say.
Cops deal with things differentAll first responders, do it's
just a part ofcompartmentalizing at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
You've got to be able to deal with it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
What else you got another good one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
That's the only ones that I had on tap to ask you
about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
We always used to tease that we needed to write
down stories and then just comeout with volumes and volumes of
books.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Oh, that's what I said.
I wanted to write a poop book.
Every story was exactly onepoop long.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Would have been perfect one poop long.
Yeah, would have been perfect,but you know the things that we
could turn this podcast into,like a table top, a poop yeah,
because the things that, thethings that that went on, you
know, sometimes I've I haveforgotten way more than I
remember.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So sometimes people will start talking about
something and I'm like oh yeah Iremember, you know they used to
talk about going up to, to Pand, and I remember when, when
Doug Gregory found out he was adiabetic, I'd went up to the top
.
I was, you know, to the top ofthe hill because I was going to
go pee and his car was sittingthere when I pulled up next to

(01:14:49):
him and rolled my window downand I sat there for like five
minutes and he never would rollhis window down.
So I thought, well, fine,you're hateful.
So I pulled up and, you know,did my business.
I got back in the car and Ipulled back up and I sat there
and I looked through the window,for you know, of course he was

(01:15:10):
a canine, so his window was liketinted black, you couldn't see
inside the car.
So I finally, after anotherfive minutes I just find some
that way.
So I we're in, drive and I'mdriving on that get a mile down
the road and then it hits me,don't just found out, he's
diabetic.
Oh god, what if he's sugaredout?
He's laid up there, passed out.
I just left him sitting thereso I thought he was back and no,

(01:15:33):
I think he just.
God love his heart, he justdozed off he was just asleep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Hey, that happens on work and night shift.
I remember Derek would tell ushe'd be like listen, if you get
sleepy?
He said come to the PD, take anap.
He said don't risk it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, because I'd done that.
One night, me and goob waspulled up beside each other and
I had dozed off and I rememberwaking up like three hours later
and I looked over at goob.
I'm like dude, did I missanything?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
he said I don't know I fell asleep.
I mean I've still got videos onmy phone of back there in the
sergeant's office of peoplesleeping, sitting up and and
darryl kilburn still may pay meback one of these days, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
And then that's another video that I wished I
had.
Uh, but I pulled into the backlot at like 6, 30 and darryl was
.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
That was a tough time to stay awake.
That was horrible.
That was the wall, that was.
There was a tough time to stayawake, that was horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
That was the wall.
That was a wall, and you know,Darrell was sitting in his car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Mine was five to six.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
And he was on the phone.
So I'm like, okay, so I get up,and I get up and park, then I
walk around to his window totalk to him.
But when I get over to hiswindow he down.

(01:16:55):
So I went back, got back, mycruiser drove around and I put
my bumper up against his driverdoor and I hit that level three
switch on that thing and everylight and siren I had came on,
you know, three foot from hisear and he woke up and thank god
it was in park because bothhands gripped on the steering
wheel and he mashed the pedal tothe floor and he was just

(01:17:20):
standing there and then a blankstare, shaking, with the pedal
to the metal, the rpms of thatcruiser, wound up as tight as it
would go and he finally came toand stopped and all you can see
is him doing that on video andthen you hear the door open and
my cackle as I'm rolling out ofthe car.
I'm laughing so hard at him.
That's awesome.

(01:17:40):
I asked him later.
He said man.
He said I don't know why.
He said I just just had a dreamthat I was running a red light
and there was an ambulancecoming through the intersection
and it was about to T-ball meand I was trying to get out of
it.
He always swore he would pay meback for it and he hasn't yet
it's coming.
That don't mean it's not coming, but I laughed so hard man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I remember being so tired.
I was on the north end of townlike checking alarms and I came.
I was headed to the PD becauseI was on the north end of town
like checking alarms and I came.
I was headed to the PD becauseI was like I'm tired, I got to
go up here and chill out.
It was like 2, 3 in the morning.
I was like, hmm, I didn't sleepgood that day.
I remember it.
And when I figured out when Icame to I was five miles south

(01:18:32):
of the city in ferriston, I was,I was at that.
You know, I was there before.
I was like I mean I wasobviously driving you was in, I
was, I was not in that black Isaw the black dog or something
like an old movie, but I was.
I was like uh, and I woke upthen.
But I remember going to the pand going I need to wake up here

(01:18:56):
.
That's a scary feeling torealize you've driven like eight
miles and don't know whereyou're at.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Because I was like, where am I and believe it or not
when we switched to the 6P to6A shifts.
That helped me, I don't knowwhy.
I guess because when we were 11to 7, you know, at six o'clock
you eat supper and then you'rejust sitting around the house
and by 11 o'clock you're alreadyworn out, versus going to work
at six and you're up and about,you know, and of course we'd

(01:19:25):
always go, uh, to walmart at twoo'clock in the morning and and
go through and grocery shop andget us all a late meal.
Yeah, and then you know flash,and I heard you tell the
introduction of of where flashcomes from, and I guess richie
probably was the primary richiewas the primary one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yeah, and I'll let him tell his, because he'll tell
it every time, anytime he getsa chance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
But I just, I never did understand, because at
midnight every night,midnight-ish we all knew it was
coffee time at Speedway, and ifyou don't know much about London
, speedway is a mile straightshot from the PD.
We all left at the same timeand we were halfway through a

(01:20:15):
cup of coffee before flash evergot there speedy, but I'm like
we left at the same time wordedyou strike.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I'd see a car and follow it, and you went to
Corbin.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Yeah Lord, knowing us , it could have went south.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I mean, course, the only time.
Course you know as a supervisornot you know, the, the
patrolman generally don't, butas a supervisor that the, the
daytime bunch, doesn't care,that it's three o'clock in the
morning to you, right, you knowthey'll call you at nine, ten
o'clock in the morning, butwhich is three am to me.
But when they wanted to knowsomething they wanted to know is

(01:20:52):
that the only time I ever gotcalled and actually had to get
up and go somewhere was beat onhis door and make him go do a
report.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Yeah, I don't know what their deal was on that.
They were awful for that for awhile.
They'd call you at 9 o'clock inthe morning you just got off at
six to come.
It can't wait, even thoughknowing that you worked at 6 pm
that night couldn't wait.
You had to get up and go sign apaper or something I mean it's

(01:21:22):
just something silly that couldwait, till it just but it had to
be done then, ridiculous yeahthere's I remember some of the
one of our last little thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
I was like get a knock or a phone call.
I probably didn't answer aphone when I was in school or
didn't hear it.
Yeah, I'm deaf.
So get the knock on the door atmidnight, 1 o'clock.
Hey Gary, I was like I guessyou're not here just to hang out

(01:21:51):
at midnight when I'm asleep, sonope, you gotta come in.
You got something crazy goingon, so, uh, it was never, never,
never.
Good now I gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
I gotta call one night when we lived at that in
the trailer still yet, and, uh,the house.
So we lived down a couple ofhouses down from my grandmother
and down a couple of houses downfrom my grandmother, and then a
couple of houses down from thatwas a house that was on fire.
Well, g calls me and he said Ithink your grandma's house is on
fire.
And I was like, and it was late, it was like 12, 30 at night,

(01:22:26):
something like that.
So I'm in my underwear.
I mean I I'd got out.
I don't think I was asleep yet,but I was just sitting there in
the bed.
But I just remember they're allon scene and I would love to
see what everybody's reactionwas to it, because I grabbed a
flashlight and my flip-flops andjust took off running down the
road to the—.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Yeah, it turns out it wasn't—.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
It wasn't my grandma's house, so I just
showed up.
All the firefighters had justseen my fat butt was you in
boxers?

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
yeah, it's just.
Yeah.
I you know, I knew it was, youknow that she lived in there
somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
I just it was close, it was a house down, so oh my
gosh, but yeah great thecraziest that we've seen is it's
.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
You never forget it.
You never forget some of thejump scares or the scares.
Oh yeah.
I've never been more afraidthan riding around and listening
to Ghost.
I'm not afraid of not one man,I don't think.
No, I've had to fight somebigger than me people that had
there's legends of like, oh man,if you go against that guy, oh
you know, I'm like, whatever,yeah, um, but you could, you,

(01:23:35):
you put me in a car, you, youwatch it go something scary.
Something unexplained is justexactly so we've had a ball.
Yeah, um, gary's me and garyare best friends, I mean we've.
We've grew up together justfrom the same area down there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Definitely consider T-Dot more of a brother than
yeah we've.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I think that goes for most of our guys that we had
got closer.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
I agree, you know, because that's the thing you
know.
You, all you know, kept up withme.
But it's, I don't know, it'sweird.
It's like when you retire, they, you know, your with me, uh,
but it's, it's, I don't know,it's weird.
It's like when you retire, they, they, you know your name gets
mentioned occasionally, but youknow you kind of get forgotten.
So it's you, you know, you'vegot a good set of friends when
you know, several years afteryou've retired, you still have a

(01:24:27):
good close relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Well, that's that night shift crew that comes.
You know that's close and meand we I have that same thing
with, of course, you guys, ofcourse, but you know there's a
few.
You know me and when I workedat schools, of course me and
Hopkins stayed really you know,and still are very close and I'm
10 years older but we worked somany calls and did a lot of

(01:24:50):
things together.
You know there's always thatphone call man, what are you
doing?
What's up?
and that's the way we are yeahand you know we me and gary not
only went to school together, westill we're.
We go to church together.
We're right, we were partnershere at church doing things.
And he runs the sounds and Iplay around on drums.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yeah, I mean, and you , you really know how close of
friends you are when you know itmay be weeks or months or
something.
But that once a month call andthe first thing you hear is what
are you doing, douchebag?
Or you know it's not.
Hey, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
You will absolutely pick up right where you left off
, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
And that's the cool thing about it.
I've got friends like that.
Years can go by and then it'slike we picked up on the same
conversation and that's what'sso important to keep that
friendship and keep that alive.
Policing's weird.
We've talked about it.
There's been too much.
You know we don't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
That damn blue line is bull.
Sometimes it is.
It's not.
There's a brotherhood there,but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
That thin blue line is bull.
Sometimes it is, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
There's a brotherhood there, but it's not like
everybody says.
It's not like the Marines.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
No, it's not like, but this podcast is to make that
better and do better yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Hopefully from listening those of you out there
that actually have kept up withus and have tolerated us for
this long Thank you guys.
Are seeing the human side ofthis, and that's the goal.
We're just idiots trying tofigure life out too.
But, gee, thanks for coming out.
I've enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Anytime you want to come back, just holler at us.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
We'll keep up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, start thinking again, because every time we do
one of these podcasts, I thinkof more stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah.
This one was pretty impromptu,so we didn't have a whole lot of
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
But it was fun.
We've been here for over anhour and not really pre-gaming
for anything, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Yeah, we got a lot more stories to tell.
Stay tuned everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
We'll see you on the next one.
Yep, everybody, have a happynew year.
We'll catch you on the next one.
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