March 3, 2025 • 19 mins
Could your closet be the key to understanding your deeper emotional ties? Join Jess and Steph as we humorously unpack the sentimental attachments that make parting with personal belongings so challenging. From cherished band memorabilia to well-worn book collections, our conversation turns clutter into a canvas for storytelling and self-reflection. We'll share creative solutions like turning old t-shirts into quilts, offering a heartfelt way to preserve memories. Together, we confront the struggle of letting go and explore why our identities often get tangled in the fabric of our possessions.
What does the Bible say about balancing life's indulgences with spiritual priorities? As we shift our perspective toward materialism, we discuss the impact of our upbringing and financial circumstances on our attitudes toward accumulating stuff. Through candid stories, we reflect on the joys of a splurge-worthy dinner, all while pondering the difference between wants and needs. By challenging the notion of hoarding and trusting in God's provisions, we aim to inspire a mindset that prioritizes what truly matters. Join our heartfelt conversation, and discover the freedom that comes with focusing on eternal values over material goods.
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Jess (00:03):
Hey, welcome back, or welcome to the Jesus Fix it
podcast, the show where we talkabout life, the ups, the downs,
a little pop culture andeverything in between.
Steph (00:12):
I'm Jess and I'm Steph, every other week we dive into
the things we're asking Jesus tofix.
And let's be real, there's alot.
You can always count on us tokeep it real.
Jess (00:24):
Share some laughs with us and maybe a few tears, as we
tackle the big and small stuffwith faith and honesty.
So grab your coffee and let'sget into it.
Not that anybody cares, butright now in the middle of my
floor is a pile of things I havepulled out of my closet because
(00:46):
it is a mess.
The pile is just about as tallas me I'm 5'3".
I just went on this frenzy thatI'm just going to clean, I'm
going to get rid of stuff, andthat's as far as I've gotten,
because after I got everythingpulled out, now I'm overwhelmed
(01:07):
and it's like, not that I don'tknow where to put stuff which is
part of the reason why it'sstill there is because now I
don't know how to organize it.
It's everything I pick up.
I don't want to get rid of it.
Oh, I understand.
This is so emotional for me.
Steph (01:26):
Emotional purging.
Jess (01:28):
I am an emotional purger and I am an emotional shopper
Like this is really a thing.
Steph (01:36):
Don't you think?
Well, I'm so understanding andI am so completely with you.
My first thought, when you weretelling me about this pile of
clothing or stuff EverythingClothes, shoes, purses I know
where you live.
Jess (01:47):
And.
Steph (01:47):
I'm happy to take it home If I can get rid of it, Right,
but that's the struggle.
You're like oh, this is agorgeous jacket that I have from
.
This is how I think it's fromeight years ago and no, I don't
fit in that anymore, but maybeone day I will.
But I remember wearing it tothis specific event and I had a
(02:07):
great time because I was withthese specific friends and it
was just oh yeah, I can't getrid of it.
Jess (02:14):
I have jeans that still have the price tag on them, that
I can't even fit one leg into,that I won't take to the
goodwill that I won't get rid of, and I'm like, why, jess,
they're just things.
Why can't I get rid of things?
Why do we hold on to things sotightly?
Steph (02:35):
Oh, man, are you talking my language?
They're just things I was goingthrough from just starting to
unpack at our new house.
I was going through this box ofposters, unrolled the posters
and there wasn't the sticky,tacky stuff on the back of them.
There were no pinholes in themand they wouldn't stay unrolled
because I've had them since 1995or 96 and never put them up,
(03:00):
and yet I can't get rid of them.
One of them is even signed byone of my favorite bands, small
town poets.
Jess (03:07):
nobody knows who they are okay, but see, I think that's
kind of sentimental signedposters and things like that
that's kind of sentimental.
Well, okay.
Steph (03:17):
So I had a bunch of t-shirts from being in high
school different variety ofthings and my mom made it into a
quilt that I can use.
They're not just sittingcollecting dust in a drawer or
in a bin.
I like that, but it's like theposter.
I don't even think small townpoets is together anymore, let
alone like why, I don't know,but I still can't get rid of it.
Jess (03:37):
Yeah, but some things like that.
Like I have this T-shirt fromwhen I went to Dollywood on a
band trip in 1995.
Dolly Parton signed it.
Who else was there?
I think I have a shirt thatLauryn Hill signed.
I can't fit it.
(03:57):
It has holes in it.
If I turn it a certain way I'msure it's going to fall apart.
But those type of things aresentimental.
I would never be able to wearthis shirt ever.
Because, like I said, if I eventry to put it on, I'm sure it's
just going to rip to shreds.
But something like that, Ithink that's worth keeping.
Steph (04:15):
And that's why my mom turned a bunch of my t-shirts
into quilts.
A lot of them are signed bylike I have one signed by DC
Talk Like hello, like I lovethat, like that's what those are
.
But it's like other stuffthough, not even just the
posters, but good grief, like Iam a book collector, for no good
reason, I don't love to readbooks.
I like listening to them, Idon't love to read them, and I
(04:36):
struggled getting rid of a bunchof books just because, like I
have the whole set of Anne ofGreen Gables that my mom gave me
.
Anne with an E, anne Shirley,yes, anne Shirley with an E.
Could you call me Cordelia?
Yeah, cordelia Bedelia, I haveall of them.
I've never once read them.
I've had them since.
Jess (04:55):
I was 15.
But I can't get rid of them.
I am a book travert, so thebook thing.
I can't be on your side.
Steph (05:06):
Book travert, so the book thing I can't be on your side.
If you have books, you have toread them.
I like listening to them.
I remember when that box cameto our house.
I remember the house we livedin this was in East Tennessee.
I remember the you know, justbrown box that came in and I'm
like dang, this is heavy and thecertain size that it was, and
it was a Christmas gift and Iwasn't allowed to open it.
It was addressed to mom andthen I got them for christmas
(05:26):
and I just like I love it.
I love that it was from my mom,that she she's a book travert
too, like oh my gosh, and soit's so sentimental.
So I can understand that, butthen it's why do I have like
five journals that are blank?
I think?
Jess (05:42):
there's a name for something that we have.
It's called oh hoarding.
Oh, oh my gosh.
Steph (05:54):
But you can walk around my house.
There are not paths, okay,except for in my closet to get
through to different things.
Jess (06:03):
We're just at the beginner stage, I guess.
No, but seriously, like this,I'm not trying to make light of
hoarding by any means, okay, butI'm just saying sometimes I
wonder, like, what is the issuewith me?
Like this is an emotional thingand I don't want it to, like,
(06:24):
be a big problem, because I knowthere are some people who
really do have emotionalshopping issues.
There are some people who haveissues with, you know, detaching
themselves from things.
And I noticed, like some, if I'mhaving a bad day Sometimes I'll
just go.
I'm going to go treat myself tosomething.
I even had to sit down one dayand I read a devotional about
(06:50):
treating myself, because Ineeded to see that treating
myself doesn't always meanspending money on myself.
You can treat yourself in otherways, but there are some days
that I actually want to go treatmyself and I'll go buy a
handbag or I'll go buy a bottleof perfume and that gets out of
hand.
Steph (07:08):
Okay, jess, a bottle of perfume, a bottle, a singular
bottle of perfume.
Jess (07:14):
Okay, I don't appreciate how you're calling me out right
now Just because I told you howmany bottles of perfume did you
purchase this past weekend?
Steph (07:24):
Six?
Jess (07:25):
Okay, but they were under $100.
Steph (07:27):
See, this is called justification Each for total
Total, okay, okay, I canunderstand the justification on
that Under $150.
Jess (07:34):
I take it back Under $150.
Under $150.
See, this is how I justify too.
I give myself a budget, a playmoney budget, after.
Steph (07:47):
I've paid all my bills.
Jess (07:48):
I've done all the things A treat yourself budget.
I have a treat myself budget,but this is the thing.
In this economy I don't have touse all that budget Right.
And so that's what I'm tryingto tell myself.
There is no way I needed sixbottles of perfume.
Steph (08:03):
I will look back at my January budget as I was going
through different things and I'mlike, oh, my clothing budget
was out of control and like,well, exactly why?
Like again after Christmasthere's all these sales and all
this stuff's on clearance andlike I mean, clarence is my best
friend.
Whenever I go shopping,clarence is just exactly where
(08:25):
I'm at, but still I try toimplement.
If I wouldn't pay full pricefor it, why should I buy it just
because it's on clearance?
Jess (08:33):
See, that's my problem, because I never pay full price
for anything.
Steph (08:38):
I just don't.
Jess (08:39):
I don't buy myself anything unless it's on sale or
unless it's clearance.
But again, that's how I justifythem.
Steph (08:49):
I did this personality thing when I was back in college
and one of those manypersonality tests and it said
who are you most like in theBible?
And it came up with Stephen andit said because I always live
by ends, justifies the means.
Ooh, and I still do that tothis day.
I mean 20 something years later.
And that is tough.
That is really tough to thinkabout.
(09:11):
That that's how my personalityis considered.
Is I live by ends, justify themeans?
And I see it in everything,like my husband and I have been
working on this fireplace mantleand like doing a fireplace
surround and he's the one doinga lot of the work and I
appreciate it so much.
And he looked at me and wasasking about something.
I'm like you know, measure fivetimes, cut 12.
You know I'm like it'll be finein the end, like the end
(09:33):
justifies the means.
You got to cut it and measureit, but it'll be fine.
Jess (09:36):
Oh, my goodness I would love to do one of those.
Steph (09:39):
No, I don't, because here I am thinking I'm gonna be
Martha nope, yeah, no, I just, Ireally want to Marie Kondo, my
house, is that her last name?
Jess (09:56):
yeah, but you can't even be her now because you know she
backtracked.
Oh so if you remember MarieKondo, you know years ago she
said you know, if it doesn'tbring you joy, if you're not
using it, get rid of it.
Steph (10:07):
Yeah, let it go.
Literally pick an item up, putit on her forehead.
Does this bring me joy?
Let it go.
Okay, no, you're not sure, oryeah, okay.
Jess (10:15):
So what was it?
Probably, I think it was in2022, 2023, after she had had a
baby.
I think she had a kid.
Maybe she didn't have kidsbefore, I don't know, but she
backtracked.
She was like what was Ithinking?
She was like I was so out of it.
Oh my goodness.
She basically said yeah, it'snot as easy as you think.
Steph (10:34):
Well, no kidding, it is not, especially when you're you
and me and you are sentimentallytied to a shoelace.
Jess (10:45):
Yes, she did say you know I'm not hoarding.
She did say you know I'm by nomeans like having a lot of junk
or anything like that.
But I will admit I was a littleout of touch when I said all of
that.
It is not as easy as I thoughtit was and I'm like okay, girl,
yeah, after you shamed the restof us made all of us feel like
(11:06):
you know, Uh-huh yeah.
Steph (11:09):
Yeah, so I don't know, but there's got to be some still
some truth to that, like whenyou're going through your huge
pile of stuff that's as tall asyou and me because we're both
the same height.
Sometimes your shoes are alittle taller than mine, but I
try your shoes are a littletaller than mine, but I try,
yeah, I try, but yeah.
So when you're going throughthat huge pile of stuff it's
like, okay, I already have thisis me talking to myself eight
(11:30):
flannels.
Four of them are in the purplemaroon family.
Do I really need four that arein that same family?
Which one fits the best?
Which one?
You know, my husband and I arevery dorky and we like to dress
alike.
To the fact that even theflannel I'm wearing today he has
the exact same one and boughtthem for us.
Jess (11:49):
yeah I know that's kind of corny.
I know I said I did yes we are.
Steph (11:53):
We are extremely corny that way but we like it.
Jess (11:55):
It's fun.
We're very honest with eachother here okay, and just knows,
mike type of friendship we canhave.
Okay, you know but it.
Steph (12:03):
But it's like okay.
So for me, okay, because hespecifically picked this out and
we have the matching ones.
This would not be the one thatI would get rid of.
But I need to do better aboutthat whole.
You know, you purchase a newitem, new to you.
You purchase a new to you item.
It comes in your house.
Then two things need to go out.
Jess (12:22):
Okay.
Steph (12:23):
And I need to work on that.
Jess (12:27):
I think I'm going to work on that too.
I was looking up some thingsabout what the Bible says about
hoarding, which is basically oh,that sounds so I'm a hoarder.
Okay, but the Bible teaches uswell, jesus teaches us that
investing in eternal things ismore important than hoarding
(12:48):
material goods.
Steph (12:51):
I mean, my pastor was talking yesterday Wow, that hits
it.
Jess (12:53):
Does that really hits?
Steph (12:55):
It does.
And he was talking yesterdayabout when was the last time
that you specificallyevangelized to someone very
specifically?
And he was like I'm not talkingabout.
Like you know, you were a youthpastor and obviously that's how
you're going to bring you know,you have an easier time
bringing souls to Christ asyouth pastor, as a pastor of the
(13:18):
church.
He's like I'm not talking about.
He's like I am talking veryspecifically you one-on-one.
What is it?
You can't store it here onearth.
And I was like, oh, and nowhere we're talking about all the
stuff that we hoard.
Jess (13:31):
But you know a lot of it, I think and I'm not really
trying to justify this, I'm justtrying to tell you where I
think a lot of my materialismcomes from is.
You know, growing up my parentsthey really did give us, you
know, not every single thing wewanted, but they always seemed
(13:53):
to make a way.
Oh yeah, I don't know how theydid it.
Looking back, I'm like, oh mygosh, we were kind of poor.
How did I get all of that stuff?
How did I get a computer?
How did I?
And I'm like, gosh, theyprobably didn't eat because they
gave us these things.
And I know we didn't have a lotof money.
And then, after I got divorced,I didn't have a lot of money.
(14:15):
And now that I've raised somebabies and I do have a little
bit of extra money saved and Ican treat myself, I do.
And so sometimes I feel like itis a mental thing with me oh, I
couldn't get this back then, orI couldn't do this after I got
divorced, I couldn't afford it.
Oh, but I can afford it now.
So I'm going to treat myself.
So I feel like sometimes it's amental thing and I do it
(14:37):
because I can and I need to getout of that mindset.
You know it's, I don't know, Ijust need to.
Yeah, because I can doesn'tmean I should.
Steph (14:53):
Oh, that is yeah.
Just because I can eat anentire sleeve of Girl Scout
cookies doesn't mean I should.
Jess (15:01):
Our grandparents were the opposite.
I know my grandmother was whenshe was growing up and didn't
have a lot of money.
You know how they had to eatscraps.
She was growing up and didn'thave a lot of money.
You know how they had to eat.
You know scraps.
And so when she was able, shedidn't go out and splurge.
She still ate like she.
She still saved and pennypinched.
(15:22):
And I actually had to tell heryou know what?
You ain't gotta eat like thatno more.
And she's like, I know, but I,the way I was raised, you didn't
go and splurge.
And here I am, I do theopposite yeah, I, I'm with you,
like I.
Steph (15:37):
I don't.
I don't get why I'm that way.
Like I.
I just I genuinely like I'm.
I am usually the more pennypincher of the family between my
husband and myself, but I grewup in, you know, if our ketchup
bottle was empty, we were atMcDonald's.
Well then, the ketchup bottlewasn't so empty at home.
(15:59):
You know, that was how we grewup and it was just.
You know you're using the meansthat are around you.
For us, sometimes, dessert wasa piece of bread, toasted butter
, your cinnamon and sugarsprinkled on top of it.
Jess (16:11):
That was dessert.
Steph (16:11):
And that was dessert and that was how my parents grew up
like, so they just passed it onand there's nothing wrong with
that.
It's being frugal in a good way, because it's like, yeah, again
we, we don't know when our lastday is going to be right.
We want to be wise with what wehave.
We want to think and plan for afuture being retirement, going
(16:34):
on trips.
My parents, because they wereso frugal, they have a bunch of
trips planned this year.
They're going to Machu Picchu.
My parents are in their 70s andit's like they've got that
opportunity to do it becausethey planned in the past in
order to do that and they didn'thoard everything.
My mom's favorite place to shopis a thrift store that she
(16:54):
works at and that's fantastic.
I need to have that bettermentality.
Jess (17:00):
Yeah, at the rate I'm going, I'm wearing my trips
Right.
Steph (17:04):
And I love to travel and every time that I go to spend
money on something I think aboutthat.
Like, my husband and I justsplurged for a dinner out the
other night.
It was fantastic, we had agreat time.
I felt so just cherished andthat was amazing that my husband
and those times are okay, theyare okay, they don't happen all
(17:24):
that much.
But after we got our bill Ithought about it and I was like
that's like, that's like a nicecouple of days on a trip
somewhere, because I like totravel very frugally, and so,
yeah, it's just putting thingsinto perspective.
You're right, you're wearingyour trips Right.
Jess (17:44):
Yeah, one last thing.
I'm really taking this to heart, I'm trying to.
The Bible doesn't say it'swrong to save or to be prepared.
Because I'm that person.
You mentioned ketchup.
I'm that person always have tohave two of everything.
I have to have two bottles ofketchup.
Oh, if I have one thing ofpepper and it's halfway done, I
(18:05):
have to have two.
I always have to be able topull another, whatever it is,
when I'm out.
I don't want to have to wait.
But the Bible doesn't say it'swrong to save or be prepared,
but it does warn againsthoarding when it stems from
greed, comes from a lack oftrust in God, ignores the needs
(18:25):
of others.
That really hits home.
Man, does that ever?
That really hits home.
Man does that ever.
So maybe our Jesus fix it.
For this time is to fix ourneed to have material things.
Steph (18:42):
Fix our need for needs.
Needs don't need to be needs.
Jess (18:50):
They can be wants, and you don't always get what you want.
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Hey, welcome back, or welcome to the Jesus Fix it
podcast, the show where we talkabout life, the ups, the downs,
a little pop culture andeverything in between.
Steph (00:12):
I'm Jess and I'm Steph, every other week we dive into
the things we're asking Jesus tofix.
And let's be real, there's alot.
You can always count on us tokeep it real.
Jess (00:24):
Share some laughs with us and maybe a few tears, as we
tackle the big and small stuffwith faith and honesty.
So grab your coffee and let'sget into it.
Not that anybody cares, butright now in the middle of my
floor is a pile of things I havepulled out of my closet because
(00:46):
it is a mess.
The pile is just about as tallas me I'm 5'3".
I just went on this frenzy thatI'm just going to clean, I'm
going to get rid of stuff, andthat's as far as I've gotten,
because after I got everythingpulled out, now I'm overwhelmed
(01:07):
and it's like, not that I don'tknow where to put stuff which is
part of the reason why it'sstill there is because now I
don't know how to organize it.
It's everything I pick up.
I don't want to get rid of it.
Oh, I understand.
This is so emotional for me.
Steph (01:26):
Emotional purging.
Jess (01:28):
I am an emotional purger and I am an emotional shopper
Like this is really a thing.
Steph (01:36):
Don't you think?
Well, I'm so understanding andI am so completely with you.
My first thought, when you weretelling me about this pile of
clothing or stuff EverythingClothes, shoes, purses I know
where you live.
Jess (01:47):
And.
Steph (01:47):
I'm happy to take it home If I can get rid of it, Right,
but that's the struggle.
You're like oh, this is agorgeous jacket that I have from
.
This is how I think it's fromeight years ago and no, I don't
fit in that anymore, but maybeone day I will.
But I remember wearing it tothis specific event and I had a
(02:07):
great time because I was withthese specific friends and it
was just oh yeah, I can't getrid of it.
Jess (02:14):
I have jeans that still have the price tag on them, that
I can't even fit one leg into,that I won't take to the
goodwill that I won't get rid of, and I'm like, why, jess,
they're just things.
Why can't I get rid of things?
Why do we hold on to things sotightly?
Steph (02:35):
Oh, man, are you talking my language?
They're just things I was goingthrough from just starting to
unpack at our new house.
I was going through this box ofposters, unrolled the posters
and there wasn't the sticky,tacky stuff on the back of them.
There were no pinholes in themand they wouldn't stay unrolled
because I've had them since 1995or 96 and never put them up,
(03:00):
and yet I can't get rid of them.
One of them is even signed byone of my favorite bands, small
town poets.
Jess (03:07):
nobody knows who they are okay, but see, I think that's
kind of sentimental signedposters and things like that
that's kind of sentimental.
Well, okay.
Steph (03:17):
So I had a bunch of t-shirts from being in high
school different variety ofthings and my mom made it into a
quilt that I can use.
They're not just sittingcollecting dust in a drawer or
in a bin.
I like that, but it's like theposter.
I don't even think small townpoets is together anymore, let
alone like why, I don't know,but I still can't get rid of it.
Jess (03:37):
Yeah, but some things like that.
Like I have this T-shirt fromwhen I went to Dollywood on a
band trip in 1995.
Dolly Parton signed it.
Who else was there?
I think I have a shirt thatLauryn Hill signed.
I can't fit it.
(03:57):
It has holes in it.
If I turn it a certain way I'msure it's going to fall apart.
But those type of things aresentimental.
I would never be able to wearthis shirt ever.
Because, like I said, if I eventry to put it on, I'm sure it's
just going to rip to shreds.
But something like that, Ithink that's worth keeping.
Steph (04:15):
And that's why my mom turned a bunch of my t-shirts
into quilts.
A lot of them are signed bylike I have one signed by DC
Talk Like hello, like I lovethat, like that's what those are
.
But it's like other stuffthough, not even just the
posters, but good grief, like Iam a book collector, for no good
reason, I don't love to readbooks.
I like listening to them, Idon't love to read them, and I
(04:36):
struggled getting rid of a bunchof books just because, like I
have the whole set of Anne ofGreen Gables that my mom gave me
.
Anne with an E, anne Shirley,yes, anne Shirley with an E.
Could you call me Cordelia?
Yeah, cordelia Bedelia, I haveall of them.
I've never once read them.
I've had them since.
Jess (04:55):
I was 15.
But I can't get rid of them.
I am a book travert, so thebook thing.
I can't be on your side.
Steph (05:06):
Book travert, so the book thing I can't be on your side.
If you have books, you have toread them.
I like listening to them.
I remember when that box cameto our house.
I remember the house we livedin this was in East Tennessee.
I remember the you know, justbrown box that came in and I'm
like dang, this is heavy and thecertain size that it was, and
it was a Christmas gift and Iwasn't allowed to open it.
It was addressed to mom andthen I got them for christmas
(05:26):
and I just like I love it.
I love that it was from my mom,that she she's a book travert
too, like oh my gosh, and soit's so sentimental.
So I can understand that, butthen it's why do I have like
five journals that are blank?
I think?
Jess (05:42):
there's a name for something that we have.
It's called oh hoarding.
Oh, oh my gosh.
Steph (05:54):
But you can walk around my house.
There are not paths, okay,except for in my closet to get
through to different things.
Jess (06:03):
We're just at the beginner stage, I guess.
No, but seriously, like this,I'm not trying to make light of
hoarding by any means, okay, butI'm just saying sometimes I
wonder, like, what is the issuewith me?
Like this is an emotional thingand I don't want it to, like,
(06:24):
be a big problem, because I knowthere are some people who
really do have emotionalshopping issues.
There are some people who haveissues with, you know, detaching
themselves from things.
And I noticed, like some, if I'mhaving a bad day Sometimes I'll
just go.
I'm going to go treat myself tosomething.
I even had to sit down one dayand I read a devotional about
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treating myself, because Ineeded to see that treating
myself doesn't always meanspending money on myself.
You can treat yourself in otherways, but there are some days
that I actually want to go treatmyself and I'll go buy a
handbag or I'll go buy a bottleof perfume and that gets out of
hand.
Steph (07:08):
Okay, jess, a bottle of perfume, a bottle, a singular
bottle of perfume.
Jess (07:14):
Okay, I don't appreciate how you're calling me out right
now Just because I told you howmany bottles of perfume did you
purchase this past weekend?
Steph (07:24):
Six?
Jess (07:25):
Okay, but they were under $100.
Steph (07:27):
See, this is called justification Each for total
Total, okay, okay, I canunderstand the justification on
that Under $150.
Jess (07:34):
I take it back Under $150.
Under $150.
See, this is how I justify too.
I give myself a budget, a playmoney budget, after.
Steph (07:47):
I've paid all my bills.
Jess (07:48):
I've done all the things A treat yourself budget.
I have a treat myself budget,but this is the thing.
In this economy I don't have touse all that budget Right.
And so that's what I'm tryingto tell myself.
There is no way I needed sixbottles of perfume.
Steph (08:03):
I will look back at my January budget as I was going
through different things and I'mlike, oh, my clothing budget
was out of control and like,well, exactly why?
Like again after Christmasthere's all these sales and all
this stuff's on clearance andlike I mean, clarence is my best
friend.
Whenever I go shopping,clarence is just exactly where
(08:25):
I'm at, but still I try toimplement.
If I wouldn't pay full pricefor it, why should I buy it just
because it's on clearance?
Jess (08:33):
See, that's my problem, because I never pay full price
for anything.
Steph (08:38):
I just don't.
Jess (08:39):
I don't buy myself anything unless it's on sale or
unless it's clearance.
But again, that's how I justifythem.
Steph (08:49):
I did this personality thing when I was back in college
and one of those manypersonality tests and it said
who are you most like in theBible?
And it came up with Stephen andit said because I always live
by ends, justifies the means.
Ooh, and I still do that tothis day.
I mean 20 something years later.
And that is tough.
That is really tough to thinkabout.
(09:11):
That that's how my personalityis considered.
Is I live by ends, justify themeans?
And I see it in everything,like my husband and I have been
working on this fireplace mantleand like doing a fireplace
surround and he's the one doinga lot of the work and I
appreciate it so much.
And he looked at me and wasasking about something.
I'm like you know, measure fivetimes, cut 12.
You know I'm like it'll be finein the end, like the end
(09:33):
justifies the means.
You got to cut it and measureit, but it'll be fine.
Jess (09:36):
Oh, my goodness I would love to do one of those.
Steph (09:39):
No, I don't, because here I am thinking I'm gonna be
Martha nope, yeah, no, I just, Ireally want to Marie Kondo, my
house, is that her last name?
Jess (09:56):
yeah, but you can't even be her now because you know she
backtracked.
Oh so if you remember MarieKondo, you know years ago she
said you know, if it doesn'tbring you joy, if you're not
using it, get rid of it.
Steph (10:07):
Yeah, let it go.
Literally pick an item up, putit on her forehead.
Does this bring me joy?
Let it go.
Okay, no, you're not sure, oryeah, okay.
Jess (10:15):
So what was it?
Probably, I think it was in2022, 2023, after she had had a
baby.
I think she had a kid.
Maybe she didn't have kidsbefore, I don't know, but she
backtracked.
She was like what was Ithinking?
She was like I was so out of it.
Oh my goodness.
She basically said yeah, it'snot as easy as you think.
Steph (10:34):
Well, no kidding, it is not, especially when you're you
and me and you are sentimentallytied to a shoelace.
Jess (10:45):
Yes, she did say you know I'm not hoarding.
She did say you know I'm by nomeans like having a lot of junk
or anything like that.
But I will admit I was a littleout of touch when I said all of
that.
It is not as easy as I thoughtit was and I'm like okay, girl,
yeah, after you shamed the restof us made all of us feel like
(11:06):
you know, Uh-huh yeah.
Steph (11:09):
Yeah, so I don't know, but there's got to be some still
some truth to that, like whenyou're going through your huge
pile of stuff that's as tall asyou and me because we're both
the same height.
Sometimes your shoes are alittle taller than mine, but I
try your shoes are a littletaller than mine, but I try,
yeah, I try, but yeah.
So when you're going throughthat huge pile of stuff it's
like, okay, I already have thisis me talking to myself eight
(11:30):
flannels.
Four of them are in the purplemaroon family.
Do I really need four that arein that same family?
Which one fits the best?
Which one?
You know, my husband and I arevery dorky and we like to dress
alike.
To the fact that even theflannel I'm wearing today he has
the exact same one and boughtthem for us.
Jess (11:49):
yeah I know that's kind of corny.
I know I said I did yes we are.
Steph (11:53):
We are extremely corny that way but we like it.
Jess (11:55):
It's fun.
We're very honest with eachother here okay, and just knows,
mike type of friendship we canhave.
Okay, you know but it.
Steph (12:03):
But it's like okay.
So for me, okay, because hespecifically picked this out and
we have the matching ones.
This would not be the one thatI would get rid of.
But I need to do better aboutthat whole.
You know, you purchase a newitem, new to you.
You purchase a new to you item.
It comes in your house.
Then two things need to go out.
Jess (12:22):
Okay.
Steph (12:23):
And I need to work on that.
Jess (12:27):
I think I'm going to work on that too.
I was looking up some thingsabout what the Bible says about
hoarding, which is basically oh,that sounds so I'm a hoarder.
Okay, but the Bible teaches uswell, jesus teaches us that
investing in eternal things ismore important than hoarding
(12:48):
material goods.
Steph (12:51):
I mean, my pastor was talking yesterday Wow, that hits
it.
Jess (12:53):
Does that really hits?
Steph (12:55):
It does.
And he was talking yesterdayabout when was the last time
that you specificallyevangelized to someone very
specifically?
And he was like I'm not talkingabout.
Like you know, you were a youthpastor and obviously that's how
you're going to bring you know,you have an easier time
bringing souls to Christ asyouth pastor, as a pastor of the
(13:18):
church.
He's like I'm not talking about.
He's like I am talking veryspecifically you one-on-one.
What is it?
You can't store it here onearth.
And I was like, oh, and nowhere we're talking about all the
stuff that we hoard.
Jess (13:31):
But you know a lot of it, I think and I'm not really
trying to justify this, I'm justtrying to tell you where I
think a lot of my materialismcomes from is.
You know, growing up my parentsthey really did give us, you
know, not every single thing wewanted, but they always seemed
(13:53):
to make a way.
Oh yeah, I don't know how theydid it.
Looking back, I'm like, oh mygosh, we were kind of poor.
How did I get all of that stuff?
How did I get a computer?
How did I?
And I'm like, gosh, theyprobably didn't eat because they
gave us these things.
And I know we didn't have a lotof money.
And then, after I got divorced,I didn't have a lot of money.
(14:15):
And now that I've raised somebabies and I do have a little
bit of extra money saved and Ican treat myself, I do.
And so sometimes I feel like itis a mental thing with me oh, I
couldn't get this back then, orI couldn't do this after I got
divorced, I couldn't afford it.
Oh, but I can afford it now.
So I'm going to treat myself.
So I feel like sometimes it's amental thing and I do it
(14:37):
because I can and I need to getout of that mindset.
You know it's, I don't know, Ijust need to.
Yeah, because I can doesn'tmean I should.
Steph (14:53):
Oh, that is yeah.
Just because I can eat anentire sleeve of Girl Scout
cookies doesn't mean I should.
Jess (15:01):
Our grandparents were the opposite.
I know my grandmother was whenshe was growing up and didn't
have a lot of money.
You know how they had to eatscraps.
She was growing up and didn'thave a lot of money.
You know how they had to eat.
You know scraps.
And so when she was able, shedidn't go out and splurge.
She still ate like she.
She still saved and pennypinched.
(15:22):
And I actually had to tell heryou know what?
You ain't gotta eat like thatno more.
And she's like, I know, but I,the way I was raised, you didn't
go and splurge.
And here I am, I do theopposite yeah, I, I'm with you,
like I.
Steph (15:37):
I don't.
I don't get why I'm that way.
Like I.
I just I genuinely like I'm.
I am usually the more pennypincher of the family between my
husband and myself, but I grewup in, you know, if our ketchup
bottle was empty, we were atMcDonald's.
Well then, the ketchup bottlewasn't so empty at home.
(15:59):
You know, that was how we grewup and it was just.
You know you're using the meansthat are around you.
For us, sometimes, dessert wasa piece of bread, toasted butter
, your cinnamon and sugarsprinkled on top of it.
Jess (16:11):
That was dessert.
Steph (16:11):
And that was dessert and that was how my parents grew up
like, so they just passed it onand there's nothing wrong with
that.
It's being frugal in a good way, because it's like, yeah, again
we, we don't know when our lastday is going to be right.
We want to be wise with what wehave.
We want to think and plan for afuture being retirement, going
(16:34):
on trips.
My parents, because they wereso frugal, they have a bunch of
trips planned this year.
They're going to Machu Picchu.
My parents are in their 70s andit's like they've got that
opportunity to do it becausethey planned in the past in
order to do that and they didn'thoard everything.
My mom's favorite place to shopis a thrift store that she
(16:54):
works at and that's fantastic.
I need to have that bettermentality.
Jess (17:00):
Yeah, at the rate I'm going, I'm wearing my trips
Right.
Steph (17:04):
And I love to travel and every time that I go to spend
money on something I think aboutthat.
Like, my husband and I justsplurged for a dinner out the
other night.
It was fantastic, we had agreat time.
I felt so just cherished andthat was amazing that my husband
and those times are okay, theyare okay, they don't happen all
(17:24):
that much.
But after we got our bill Ithought about it and I was like
that's like, that's like a nicecouple of days on a trip
somewhere, because I like totravel very frugally, and so,
yeah, it's just putting thingsinto perspective.
You're right, you're wearingyour trips Right.
Jess (17:44):
Yeah, one last thing.
I'm really taking this to heart, I'm trying to.
The Bible doesn't say it'swrong to save or to be prepared.
Because I'm that person.
You mentioned ketchup.
I'm that person always have tohave two of everything.
I have to have two bottles ofketchup.
Oh, if I have one thing ofpepper and it's halfway done, I
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have to have two.
I always have to be able topull another, whatever it is,
when I'm out.
I don't want to have to wait.
But the Bible doesn't say it'swrong to save or be prepared,
but it does warn againsthoarding when it stems from
greed, comes from a lack oftrust in God, ignores the needs
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of others.
That really hits home.
Man, does that ever?
That really hits home.
Man does that ever.
So maybe our Jesus fix it.
For this time is to fix ourneed to have material things.
Steph (18:42):
Fix our need for needs.
Needs don't need to be needs.
Jess (18:50):
They can be wants, and you don't always get what you want.
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