September 7, 2024 • 28 mins
Hollywood executive Andrew Gumpert opens up about his storied career in the entertainment industry, from his beginnings in New York to his influential roles at major studios like Columbia Pictures, Interscope, Miramax, Sony, and Paramount. Ever wondered how one transitions from legal work to becoming a media executive? Andrew's journey reveals the twists and turns of navigating Hollywood's competitive landscape, including his firsthand account of the infamous Sony cyber attack. Tune in for an inside look at the life of a Hollywood heavyweight who's seen it all.
We also delve into a deeply moving story of resilience and community action. Discover how a challenging birth experience transformed into a catalyst for change, leading to the creation of the Care N Cure Dinner. What began as a modest golf tournament has blossomed into an annual gala that raises over a million dollars each year for epilepsy research and support. This episode highlights the extraordinary impact of collaboration and determination, showcasing the founders' unwavering commitment to the epilepsy community.
Lastly, explore the intersection of entertainment and philanthropy. Learn about the critical need for epileptologists in underserved areas and the lengths families must go to access specialized care. In a heartening example of community support, entertainment industry connections are leveraged to fundraise through events like Joey's Song. This chapter underscores the compassion and generosity within the entertainment world, proving that even in a competitive industry, the power of personal networks can drive significant charitable efforts. Don't miss this episode filled with heartfelt stories and inspiring initiatives.
Visit www.joeyssong.org to learn more about Joey's Song and the work we do and get details on our next set of shows. Also be sure to follow us on all popular social media platforms with our handle @joeyssong
Joey's Song is a federally registered 501(c)3 charity that raises money to fund research into treatments and cures for epilepsy. Joey's Song is 100% volunteer with no paid staff, so we are able to convert more dollars into life saving research.
Our Joey's Song family of artists include Rock N Roll Hall of Famers, Grammy and Emmy winners and Top 40 hitmakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Joey Song Podcast
.
I'm your host, mike Gamal.
For those of you that are newto Joey Song, we're a 501c3
charity that raises money tofund research into treatments
and cures for epilepsy.
We also direct funds to supportpatient services and community
programs as well.
Our fundraising vehicle ismusic.
Every year, we hold a series ofconcerts that feature Rock and
(00:30):
Roll Hall of Famers, grammywinners and Top 40 hit makers.
These amazing artists all cometo Madison, wisconsin, each
January for a festival that wecall Freezing man.
You should know that every oneof the artists that plays at our
event donates their time andtalent.
None of our performers take apenny to join us.
We have no paid staff.
We are a 100% volunteerorganization.
(00:52):
The next Freezing man isscheduled to take place January
8th through the 11th 2025, withsix amazing shows scheduled over
four days.
To find out more about Joey'sSong, you can find us at our
website, joey'songorg, or followus on social media, where all
of our handles are at Joey'sSong.
(01:20):
Hey everybody, welcome to theJoey's Song podcast.
My guest today is our pal,andrew Gumpert.
Andrew has had a long career inHollywood, most recently COO at
Paramount Pictures, as well asNickelodeon.
He's also at Sony Pictures forabout a decade or so, as well as
Miramax and Interscope.
So lots of Hollywood andLA-based institutions in the
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entertainment business.
Andrew will talk a little bitabout that.
But he'll really get into howhe got connected to the epilepsy
community, talk a little bitabout the amazing program that
he and his cohort, mark Borden,started called Care and Cure.
You will not want to miss that.
You will be inspired by whatthey are trying to do and what
they have done.
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So stick around for my chatwith Andrew Gumpert.
Hey everybody, welcome back tothe podcast.
I am very pleased to introduceyou to a friend of mine who I've
(02:25):
gotten to know over the lastcouple years thanks to our
mutual friend, billy Harris, andwho you could do about a
four-part mini-series on BillyHarris.
I think that we could fill up.
Andrew Gumpert is with me today, who has been a part of the LA
epilepsy scene for decades Idon't think I'm overstating that
to say decades and has recentlyjoined us in our fight here at
(02:48):
Joey's Song.
So, Andrew, welcome to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, thanks for having me, Mike.
It's a pleasure to be here andlooking forward to the
conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know I didn't want to age you by saying you've
been here, you've been therefor decades, but I think when
people hear your professionalstory they'll figure out that
you know you're not just threeyears out of grad school.
Not just three years, maybeonly six, maybe only.
That's close, so let's talk alittle bit about that.
Andrew, you're out in LA.
Can you talk a little bit aboutyour professional career first,
so people can get to know whoyou are?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah just a brief walk.
Grew up in New York, born inBrooklyn, went to Syracuse for
my undergrad studies and thendidn't know what I wanted to do
with my life and went to lawschool in Washington DC an
American and came out to LA fora summer internship at a law
firm just to try better weatherand just fell in love with the
(03:41):
place.
And also fell in love with thewoman that would become my wife
and so she's an Encino girl andsaid we're never going back east
.
So here I am in LA.
And what do you do in LosAngeles?
Well, I guess you find your wayeventually into the
entertainment business.
It seems that way yeah.
Yeah, and you know, left the lawfirm.
(04:02):
I was only a lawyer, a reallawyer for about two years but
very briefly got out, started myI'll say, my studio media
career at Columbia Pictures inthe legal department and I had a
very, very highfalutin titleattorney.
(04:24):
That was it and it waswonderful.
It was actually where I reallylearned the craft and, uh, and I
found out, you know, onceyou're in the club, um, you know
if you are okay at what you doand a little bit nice you can
make some moves I was gonna sayI bet that second one is just as
important as being okay at whatyou do no, it is.
I'm of course, I'm beingfacetious.
(04:44):
No, I think it, uh.
I think character andcollegiality, uh, and culture
win the day um.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Someone said, I think , it was peter drucker actually
said that, uh, culture, culture.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Each strategy for breakfast, every day.
So there you go anyway so uhyeah, just you know.
Went to legal department inColumbia, migrated to Interscope
where they had a film andtelevision group, worked there,
then moved to Miramax and wasthere in the heyday.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And this is all in the legal capacity.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Legal business affairs, working with finance,
working with distributionexecutives, but on the
deal-making side still alwaysusing the legal side of my brain
.
Absolutely, I'm a left-brainguy.
Don't mistake me for anyone.
Really talented, okay, please.
So yeah, did some time over atMiramax and had a great run and
(05:44):
from there one of the one of theguys I actually worked for went
to Sony and he asked me to joinhim.
So that was kind of my returnto Sony Columbia Pictures and I
was there for about 12 years andit was a great run.
In the middle we had thatlittle cyber attack interesting
(06:05):
moment.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
We don't have enough.
I just was listening to apodcast about that from the bbc.
I knew of it but didn't knowall the details.
But boy, it was like afour-hour podcast.
I know it now.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah and what doesn't break you makes you
stronger, so for sure.
But it was.
It was a great run and you knoweverything else.
It comes to its natural end.
And then I moved over toParamount Pictures.
That was my last gig and joinedthe company kind of as they
were in transition spent almostseven years there.
(06:37):
It was amazing, just met a tonof great people.
I'm still in touch with a tonof great people from Paramount
and I left Paramount about ayear and a half ago, kind of,
for the.
I said I've only been workingfor six years.
Okay, that's a lie.
So I actually decided to takeI'll say the midlife, I'll use
(06:57):
the M word a little midlifesabbatical, a little break for a
sec just to figure it all out,and it's been really nice.
So here I am I don't know about18 months in to that and have
time to speak to you, mike.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So after 18 months are you getting itchy?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I don't know if it's itchy, but I'm definitely more
curious.
I mean, in all candor, the timeoff the proverbial treadmill to
really reflect, without allthose inputs that come from just
working the usual cadence thatmany of us do was, in a way, a
(07:40):
gift.
It may have taken a second tosee that it was a gift, but it
ended up being a real gift, andso I have some ideas of what I
may want to do, but I don't wantto rush.
One of the things I actuallylearned.
If anyone out there listeningknows me, I sometimes am a
little impatient, so I learnedpatience.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, I would imagine.
So, man, I wish I had puttogether that you were there at.
Yeah, I would, I would, I wouldimagine.
So, man, I wish I had, I wish Ihad put together that you were
there at Sony.
I literally just got donelistening to this long podcast
about that and the North Koreanhackers and the whole bit we
could have a huge conversationabout.
I would love to have an insiderstory on that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
For sure I mean yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot
there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Maybe next time I'm out there I'll I'll buy you a
soft drink and we can talk aboutit.
So obviously a long andillustrious career in the
entertainment business.
But life also brought you tothe epilepsy community.
Do you want to talk a littlebit about that please?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know the I don't know theopposites of life, the good and
the bad, no kidding.
No kidding.
You know the unexpected moments, lightning bolts, um, to use
all those metaphors.
Um, so here I am, um a youngwhen I say young, I think I'm
like 31 years old at the timeand my wife is, uh, nine months
(09:00):
pregnant.
And you know, we go in for our,you know, kind of one of the
final checkups before the duedate.
Everything's perfect, great,you know, here you go, book it
and, uh, I'll see you in, Idon't know, maybe two weeks, and
this should be all easy andsmooth.
Yeah, the day before the duedate, uh, my wife woke up,
(09:22):
started feeling a little bit ofa tummy pressure.
It felt unnatural.
She drove herself, didn't eventell me I was at work, drove
herself down to Cedars Sinai andwithin a few minutes they said
uh, houston, we have a situationUm, there's a low fetal
heartbeat, um, low fetalmovement.
(09:44):
Uh, we're not quite sure what'sgoing on, but I think we have
to, you know, maybe get into aC-section mode.
Here it's a side story.
It took too long, regrettably.
But be that as it may, the theultimate result hours later was
a C-section and my daughter,chloe, was born.
(10:04):
I can say now, at the time itwas all a shock, but she's,
she's 23 years old now.
Um, she's, she's 23 years oldnow.
Okay, just fast forwarding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but reversing to thatmoment, um, she was born, I'll
say, white as a ghost, likepaper color white.
There was a loss of blood,there was a maternal fetal um
(10:28):
artery uh, sever, uh, you know,and that's what happened.
So loss of blood for all youdoctors out there listening loss
of oxygen to Chloe's brain, andso she suffered catastrophic
brain injury and one of theeffects because there are a few,
(10:49):
regrettably, but one of theeffects was an epilepsy
condition.
So it took, you know,admittedly, a few years to come
out of the fog of war, of allthat.
But I I seem to recall Chloebeing about four years old and,
ironically, a very good friendof mine.
(11:09):
They had their third child andtheir third child was born under
adverse conditions and alsoended up with an epilepsy
condition.
So here is my friend Mark, andme, you know, sitting at the
diner.
A little bit of woe is us and Idon't know what it was, but
(11:31):
maybe it was just like thecollaboration, the friendship we
said.
You know, we got to get ourhead out of the sand and you
know, what can we do?
We're just two dads with thismassive problem on our hands, um
, but maybe there can be somegood that comes from kind of the
, the sadness, um, and the youknow the unfortunate occurrence
(11:53):
that we both are living with,and we decided to start at the
time like a little fundraiser.
You know, it was actually.
I remember it was a golftournament, we both played golf,
yep, and we said we'll justcall it the Epilepsy Golf Open,
as I recall, and it waswonderful.
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I mean, we had I don't know 40people.
We raised I don't know eleventhousand dollars.
It was the greatest eleventhousand dollars in the history
of ever.
Um, and we're like, what can wedo?
And we called a few areahospitals and you know there
were crevvices that could use1500 here and 2000 here.
(12:36):
And we're like, wow, that feltamazing.
Like you know, it was like adrug, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I haven't wanted to interrupt you, but I've been
vigorously shaking my head forthe last four minutes as you've
been talking about this, becausephotocopy, photocopy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know a bit of your journey, so I get it.
Yeah, so that was, and it'sobviously it's itself a longer
conversation, but that was thereal impetus for two guys,
business minded, to say how dowe formalize this, how can we
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build this kind of likeentrepreneurs in a company, how
can we take a bit of thoseskills and apply it to charity?
And so now, fast forwarding.
I am about, or I say we, Markand I, my partner, are about six
weeks away on October 30.
So I don't know when thispodcast will air, but we're
(13:40):
speaking what?
September 6th.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It will be out before .
Speaker 2 (13:44):
October 30.
It will be out All right.
Well, on October 30th in LosAngeles we will be hosting the
18th, now called Karen curedinner.
We'll probably have, I don'tknow, 600 people or so with
tables and a entire gala eventNot wood.
We will kind of continue to dowhat we've done kind of in the
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recent trending years, cause welook at this like a business
with a P andL and we've beenblessed.
We have been blessed in thecommunity that it's an event
that people show up for and wehave been raising a million plus
dollars in a night for epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Talk a little bit because it's one of the things
and I had actually met Markbefore I met you because I think
maybe Billy introduced us orwhatever it was talk a little
bit about what the mission ofCNC is, because it really
resonated with me when I firstheard it.
It's a little unusual of whatyou guys have been doing with
(14:45):
that funds and admirable.
So talk a little bit about that, please.
Thanks, mike.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, when Mark and I got into it now I'm backing up
to the beginning we learnedrather quickly that there was a
lot of research going on, reallygood research, everyone trying
to find some kind of new cure,new remedy, medicine that maybe
(15:11):
wouldn't erad know.
The doctors tell me you don'tnecessarily eradicate epilepsy,
but you can lessen or decreaseor just make, make go away.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Which, of course, the seizures, right.
So we said to ourselves allright, there's all this research
going on, but who's actuallydeciding what to like, what to
administer?
Well, it's the doctors, right.
There weren't any Right.
So we came up with this termcare and cure.
Actually deciding what to like,what to administer, well, it's
the doctors, right.
There weren't any right.
So we came up with this termcare and cure and we really
decided we were going to focuson the care side, because the
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cure to us was all of thisresearch, that care were the
doctors, and there was a massivescarcity, just a dearth of
doctors that were experts.
We call them epileptologists tobe fancy.
So these are folks who'veobviously been to medical school
, they've done residencies,they've studied to be
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neurologists, so these are likethe smartest of the smart, and
then they go beyond and theykeep studying and then they
become a sub-sub-specialist andthey are called epileptologists.
Then they go beyond and theykeep studying and then they
become a sub-sub-specialist andthey are called epileptologists
and they are specifiedneurologists to focus on
epilepsy.
So that was our mission, mike,to answer your question.
So all the funds we've beenraising go to partnering with
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hospitals that do not haveepileptologists.
We create endowments, wepartner with the hospitals, we
try to go 50, 50 with them.
That's the model.
And we set up an in perpetuityendowment so that every year, on
the year, a new epileptologistwill come out of the program and
enter the world.
(16:47):
And last last point, there'ssomething like this fact where
every epileptologist that comesout can positively impact 20,000
to 30,000 individuals sufferingwith epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, yeah, it's like I said when I first heard about
it through Mark.
It moved me and it's applicablehere in Wisconsin, because the
northern part of our state isvery remote, right, and you know
your nearest options.
If you're in the top half ofWisconsin or heading over to
Mayo and I don't even know whatthe epileptology setup is over
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there, or coming down to Madison, that's hours and hours of
drive and the Northern part ofWisconsin is not the most
well-to-do, so that means takingoff work and driving four hours
and all that other stuff.
So it just resonated with me.
It's such a huge need and youcan't depend on their GP to do
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it, you know, and if the nearestneurologist is Minneapolis, the
nearest epileptologist could beeven farther than that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So it's plane flights away in many cases, and we do
help.
We definitely handle situationswhere folks need, you know, the
transportation in the, uh, thehotel rooms, because these these
issues require days, weeks attimes, and cities like Los
Angeles are are not cheap, sadlyso.
(18:26):
So, yeah, so.
So the foundation that we have,you know, tries to serve all of
that.
We can't can't serve everybody,obviously, but but we try to,
you know, tries to serve all ofthat.
We can't serve everybody,obviously, but but we try to,
you know, take the really toughcases and help the families find
a solution.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know, it's interesting, I I can't believe
it never occurred to me.
But when you talk about thedays, right, sometimes you need
to I remember with my son behooked up to that EEG for days
before you would get all thereadings that you need, and
that's just to start thediagnosis, right.
I mean, that's just so.
I hadn't made that connectionin my head.
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But it's not just that thenearest person is four hours
away, but you might need to takea week off of work if you're
mom and dad or you know.
And that's just the start ofthe diagnosis, because almost
all of us I've been doing a lotof these podcasts lately and I
talk to people and more oftenthan not it starts with well, we
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were misdiagnosed at first, andthen we blah, blah, blah, you
know.
So I just your care and cure isjust.
It really, really resonateswith me and if we keep doing
this Joey song thing, right,we're gonna piggyback on that,
because that's where the rubberreally meets the road.
We will, we will.
So let's talk a little bitabout Joey song.
(19:41):
So you are part of theentertainment business or were
before you've taken your littlesabbatical.
Here it is, and I always dothis next little speech very
carefully because I don't wantto sound like I'm besmirching
something else.
But there's there's thetraditional ways of doing
fundraising that people can dogolf tournaments, walks, all
(20:05):
that type of stuff.
I'm fortunate because of mycollege relationship with Butch
Big, butch Vig.
You're fortunate because ofyour history of being able to
get into the entertainmentbusiness to, I assume, attract
people to your gala.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm sure, there's a network.
There's a network, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I unabashedly and unashamedly use that because,
as a father, our job is to usewhatever resources the universe
has given us.
And mine happened to be that kidfrom Veruca named Butch Vig who
went on to win some Grammyawards and do all that type of
stuff and decided to help meTalk a little bit about.
As you're putting together yourevents, you're thinking about
(20:45):
where you're going to talk,about the role that the
entertainment industry plays init.
I have a reason I'm asking youthis, but I'm going to wait for
your answer before I Sure.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know to to you now, mike, because you you're
living it and you're in it andyou know I've been in it and I
guess I still have a lot ofrelationships in the network.
Forget that I'm not showing upin an office maybe each day.
It may come as a surprise tothe non
entertainmententertainmentlisteners out there who don't
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know the ecosystem, but when Itell you, despite all of I'll
say in air quotes, the battles,lawyer versus studio lawyer, big
CEO slamming the fist down,it's never going to happen on my
watch, et cetera, et cetera,then you get to like six o'clock
(21:40):
in the evening and there's acharitable event, everyone shows
up.
It's amazing, like there's thisswitch and there's this
compassion and I just, this ismy guesswork, I have no idea,
mike, I really don't, but I butI just think, you know, in
business there's a face thatfolks have to wear.
It's the tough face, it's thehard face, it's the competitive
(22:03):
face, it's business, yep.
And then you know, and I'mhappy to you know, believe this,
because it's my reason forleaving, there's hope for
humankind.
There is that compassionate,empathetic side, and folks check
themselves, they look atthemselves in the mirror and
they said, damn, am I lucky todo what I do.
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I mean, look at this, I'mmaking TV shows, I'm making
music, I'm making movies withthe most well-known directors
and stars in the world.
Hang on a second, I gotta giveback right.
And I just have found that theentertainment industry, writ
large, wants to give back timeand time again.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So well that that you , you walked.
That was exactly where I wasgoing to go with this, because I
believe I, I do believe.
My theory is and you and Imentioned right you're a left
brain guy, I'm a marketing guy,but not a creative guy in like
creating meaningful stuff, I cancreate slogans and ads.
People that truly create artand are part of that process by
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their nature want you to knowhow they feel.
That's why you write a song,that's why you write a script or
what you've observed.
So, by definition, they weartheir heart firmly on their
sleeve.
So when you give them a chanceto emote, to help others right,
and as you and I are both in,even though neither one of us
(23:31):
are strictly pediatricepilepsies, our stories come
from our kids when you give theentertainment community a chance
to wear that heart on theirsleeve for something other than
my late.
You know the car wash interviewsyou do for your new movie or
the.
You know the radio shows you dofor your new album.
Correct, a lot of people really, I know for me.
(23:55):
I look, I get people to comefrom Los Angeles to Madison,
wisconsin, in January for a week.
So that that's your, that'syour proof point.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
As they say in Brooklyn, that's a schlep.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And a schlep with four icicles hanging off of it
too when it comes to it.
So I agree, I believe it isinherent in the entertainment
folks, because now that I am inkind of that treadmill I've done
enough of this and know enoughpeople.
Everybody, even the people,when they say no, they fall all
(24:31):
over themselves to apologize forhaving to say no, right,
because they know they're luckyand they want to help.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's right.
And then you know, usuallythey'll show up the next year.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's 100% it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, it is wonderful and it's a great community that
supports, frankly, you know, alot of important issues and
charities, but I think you and Iare fortunate to, I guess, be
two that are, I say, kind of onthe list.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, I always remember my life is built
around Seinfeld references.
There was the episode whereGeorge Costanza had the wallet
with the model in it and somepeople thought it was his
girlfriend.
And then he was able to go tothe parties.
You know, and Butch is thegirlfriend in my wallet, right,
(25:24):
who's gotten me into all theseparties?
And then now I'm on the listand at least people take my call
, and that's perfect.
It's all you need, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You just have to have an at-bat.
Doesn't mean you're going toget a home run, but you need the
bat in your hands.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Just give me a chance to tell you my story.
That's all I ask.
Let me tell you my story, andI'm sure you and Mark feel the
same way, as you've built all ofthis up Very well said, yes.
Well, andrew Gumpert, thank youso much for joining me today.
I am extremely pleased that youare on our side and serve on
one of our advisory boards.
And, speaking of schleps, I'mabsolutely expecting you to
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schlep out here in January tosee what we do, because you need
to be a part of this.
Can you play keyboards oranything, do you?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
play sax.
I'm a guitar player.
You're a guitar player, yeah,and I see again we're on video a
little, but I see some guitarsin the back of your room there,
so I figured you'd use it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, well, yeah, but not very well.
But that's why it's down in thebasement, where nobody can hear
it or it can't cause anyhardship to the dogs or
neighbors.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, we'll be there.
Billy has mandated it.
So in the circle of friendship,you know it's going to happen,
so looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Good.
Andrew Gumpert, thank you forjoining me today.
Everybody, thanks for listening.
I encourage you to find outmore about Care and Cure because
I really think it's a.
It moved me and I'm you know,I'm a Midwestern German so I
don't get moved that easily, butwhen I first heard about it,
it's phenomenal what you andMark have done out there with
Epilepsy LA and I'm really gladyou're on our team.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, thank you so much, mike.
I appreciate it and I love theconversation.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
All right, Thanks for joining us for the Joey Song
Podcast.
Remember to visit our website,joeysongorg.
Follow us on all our socialmedia handles, which are at Joey
Song.
We'll see you guys at the show.
Whoa geez, sorry about therecord scratch.
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Wait a minute.
I forgot one thing.
If you want to help us spreadthe word about Joey's Song and
our podcast, there's a fewthings you can do that are real
simple.
That will help us.
One of the things you can do isfollow the show wherever you
get your podcast, give us afive-star review I mean, why
wouldn't you and write a review.
All of these things help ourpodcast and our cause get more
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traction and seen throughout thecommunity.
And if you wanted to tell a fewfriends about Joey's Song in
the podcast, that would be greatas well.
And, of course, you can visitjoey's songorg and follow us on
social media.
All of our handles are atjoey's song.
Okay, I think that's it.
We will see you guys at theshow.
Hey everybody, welcome to the Joey Song Podcast
.
I'm your host, mike Gamal.
For those of you that are newto Joey Song, we're a 501c3
charity that raises money tofund research into treatments
and cures for epilepsy.
We also direct funds to supportpatient services and community
programs as well.
Our fundraising vehicle ismusic.
Every year, we hold a series ofconcerts that feature Rock and
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Roll Hall of Famers, grammywinners and Top 40 hit makers.
These amazing artists all cometo Madison, wisconsin, each
January for a festival that wecall Freezing man.
You should know that every oneof the artists that plays at our
event donates their time andtalent.
None of our performers take apenny to join us.
We have no paid staff.
We are a 100% volunteerorganization.
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The next Freezing man isscheduled to take place January
8th through the 11th 2025, withsix amazing shows scheduled over
four days.
To find out more about Joey'sSong, you can find us at our
website, joey'songorg, or followus on social media, where all
of our handles are at Joey'sSong.
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Hey everybody, welcome to theJoey's Song podcast.
My guest today is our pal,andrew Gumpert.
Andrew has had a long career inHollywood, most recently COO at
Paramount Pictures, as well asNickelodeon.
He's also at Sony Pictures forabout a decade or so, as well as
Miramax and Interscope.
So lots of Hollywood andLA-based institutions in the
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entertainment business.
Andrew will talk a little bitabout that.
But he'll really get into howhe got connected to the epilepsy
community, talk a little bitabout the amazing program that
he and his cohort, mark Borden,started called Care and Cure.
You will not want to miss that.
You will be inspired by whatthey are trying to do and what
they have done.
(02:03):
So stick around for my chatwith Andrew Gumpert.
Hey everybody, welcome back tothe podcast.
I am very pleased to introduceyou to a friend of mine who I've
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gotten to know over the lastcouple years thanks to our
mutual friend, billy Harris, andwho you could do about a
four-part mini-series on BillyHarris.
I think that we could fill up.
Andrew Gumpert is with me today, who has been a part of the LA
epilepsy scene for decades Idon't think I'm overstating that
to say decades and has recentlyjoined us in our fight here at
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Joey's Song.
So, Andrew, welcome to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, thanks for having me, Mike.
It's a pleasure to be here andlooking forward to the
conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know I didn't want to age you by saying you've
been here, you've been therefor decades, but I think when
people hear your professionalstory they'll figure out that
you know you're not just threeyears out of grad school.
Not just three years, maybeonly six, maybe only.
That's close, so let's talk alittle bit about that.
Andrew, you're out in LA.
Can you talk a little bit aboutyour professional career first,
so people can get to know whoyou are?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah just a brief walk.
Grew up in New York, born inBrooklyn, went to Syracuse for
my undergrad studies and thendidn't know what I wanted to do
with my life and went to lawschool in Washington DC an
American and came out to LA fora summer internship at a law
firm just to try better weatherand just fell in love with the
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place.
And also fell in love with thewoman that would become my wife
and so she's an Encino girl andsaid we're never going back east
.
So here I am in LA.
And what do you do in LosAngeles?
Well, I guess you find your wayeventually into the
entertainment business.
It seems that way yeah.
Yeah, and you know, left the lawfirm.
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I was only a lawyer, a reallawyer for about two years but
very briefly got out, started myI'll say, my studio media
career at Columbia Pictures inthe legal department and I had a
very, very highfalutin titleattorney.
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That was it and it waswonderful.
It was actually where I reallylearned the craft and, uh, and I
found out, you know, onceyou're in the club, um, you know
if you are okay at what you doand a little bit nice you can
make some moves I was gonna sayI bet that second one is just as
important as being okay at whatyou do no, it is.
I'm of course, I'm beingfacetious.
(04:44):
No, I think it, uh.
I think character andcollegiality, uh, and culture
win the day um.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Someone said, I think , it was peter drucker actually
said that, uh, culture, culture.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Each strategy for breakfast, every day.
So there you go anyway so uhyeah, just you know.
Went to legal department inColumbia, migrated to Interscope
where they had a film andtelevision group, worked there,
then moved to Miramax and wasthere in the heyday.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And this is all in the legal capacity.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Legal business affairs, working with finance,
working with distributionexecutives, but on the
deal-making side still alwaysusing the legal side of my brain
.
Absolutely, I'm a left-brainguy.
Don't mistake me for anyone.
Really talented, okay, please.
So yeah, did some time over atMiramax and had a great run and
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from there one of the one of theguys I actually worked for went
to Sony and he asked me to joinhim.
So that was kind of my returnto Sony Columbia Pictures and I
was there for about 12 years andit was a great run.
In the middle we had thatlittle cyber attack interesting
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moment.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
We don't have enough.
I just was listening to apodcast about that from the bbc.
I knew of it but didn't knowall the details.
But boy, it was like afour-hour podcast.
I know it now.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah and what doesn't break you makes you
stronger, so for sure.
But it was.
It was a great run and you knoweverything else.
It comes to its natural end.
And then I moved over toParamount Pictures.
That was my last gig and joinedthe company kind of as they
were in transition spent almostseven years there.
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It was amazing, just met a tonof great people.
I'm still in touch with a tonof great people from Paramount
and I left Paramount about ayear and a half ago, kind of,
for the.
I said I've only been workingfor six years.
Okay, that's a lie.
So I actually decided to takeI'll say the midlife, I'll use
(06:57):
the M word a little midlifesabbatical, a little break for a
sec just to figure it all out,and it's been really nice.
So here I am I don't know about18 months in to that and have
time to speak to you, mike.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So after 18 months are you getting itchy?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I don't know if it's itchy, but I'm definitely more
curious.
I mean, in all candor, the timeoff the proverbial treadmill to
really reflect, without allthose inputs that come from just
working the usual cadence thatmany of us do was, in a way, a
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gift.
It may have taken a second tosee that it was a gift, but it
ended up being a real gift, andso I have some ideas of what I
may want to do, but I don't wantto rush.
One of the things I actuallylearned.
If anyone out there listeningknows me, I sometimes am a
little impatient, so I learnedpatience.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, I would imagine.
So, man, I wish I had puttogether that you were there at.
Yeah, I would, I would, I wouldimagine.
So, man, I wish I had, I wish Ihad put together that you were
there at Sony.
I literally just got donelistening to this long podcast
about that and the North Koreanhackers and the whole bit we
could have a huge conversationabout.
I would love to have an insiderstory on that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
For sure I mean yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot
there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Maybe next time I'm out there I'll I'll buy you a
soft drink and we can talk aboutit.
So obviously a long andillustrious career in the
entertainment business.
But life also brought you tothe epilepsy community.
Do you want to talk a littlebit about that please?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know the I don't know theopposites of life, the good and
the bad, no kidding.
No kidding.
You know the unexpected moments, lightning bolts, um, to use
all those metaphors.
Um, so here I am, um a youngwhen I say young, I think I'm
like 31 years old at the timeand my wife is, uh, nine months
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pregnant.
And you know, we go in for our,you know, kind of one of the
final checkups before the duedate.
Everything's perfect, great,you know, here you go, book it
and, uh, I'll see you in, Idon't know, maybe two weeks, and
this should be all easy andsmooth.
Yeah, the day before the duedate, uh, my wife woke up,
(09:22):
started feeling a little bit ofa tummy pressure.
It felt unnatural.
She drove herself, didn't eventell me I was at work, drove
herself down to Cedars Sinai andwithin a few minutes they said
uh, houston, we have a situationUm, there's a low fetal
heartbeat, um, low fetalmovement.
(09:44):
Uh, we're not quite sure what'sgoing on, but I think we have
to, you know, maybe get into aC-section mode.
Here it's a side story.
It took too long, regrettably.
But be that as it may, the theultimate result hours later was
a C-section and my daughter,chloe, was born.
(10:04):
I can say now, at the time itwas all a shock, but she's,
she's 23 years old now.
Um, she's, she's 23 years oldnow.
Okay, just fast forwarding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but reversing to thatmoment, um, she was born, I'll
say, white as a ghost, likepaper color white.
There was a loss of blood,there was a maternal fetal um
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artery uh, sever, uh, you know,and that's what happened.
So loss of blood for all youdoctors out there listening loss
of oxygen to Chloe's brain, andso she suffered catastrophic
brain injury and one of theeffects because there are a few,
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regrettably, but one of theeffects was an epilepsy
condition.
So it took, you know,admittedly, a few years to come
out of the fog of war, of allthat.
But I I seem to recall Chloebeing about four years old and,
ironically, a very good friendof mine.
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They had their third child andtheir third child was born under
adverse conditions and alsoended up with an epilepsy
condition.
So here is my friend Mark, andme, you know, sitting at the
diner.
A little bit of woe is us and Idon't know what it was, but
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maybe it was just like thecollaboration, the friendship we
said.
You know, we got to get ourhead out of the sand and you
know, what can we do?
We're just two dads with thismassive problem on our hands, um
, but maybe there can be somegood that comes from kind of the
, the sadness, um, and the youknow the unfortunate occurrence
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that we both are living with,and we decided to start at the
time like a little fundraiser.
You know, it was actually.
I remember it was a golftournament, we both played golf,
yep, and we said we'll justcall it the Epilepsy Golf Open,
as I recall, and it waswonderful.
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I mean, we had I don't know 40people.
We raised I don't know eleventhousand dollars.
It was the greatest eleventhousand dollars in the history
of ever.
Um, and we're like, what can wedo?
And we called a few areahospitals and you know there
were crevvices that could use1500 here and 2000 here.
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And we're like, wow, that feltamazing.
Like you know, it was like adrug, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I haven't wanted to interrupt you, but I've been
vigorously shaking my head forthe last four minutes as you've
been talking about this, becausephotocopy, photocopy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know a bit of your journey, so I get it.
Yeah, so that was, and it'sobviously it's itself a longer
conversation, but that was thereal impetus for two guys,
business minded, to say how dowe formalize this, how can we
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build this kind of likeentrepreneurs in a company, how
can we take a bit of thoseskills and apply it to charity?
And so now, fast forwarding.
I am about, or I say we, Markand I, my partner, are about six
weeks away on October 30.
So I don't know when thispodcast will air, but we're
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speaking what?
September 6th.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It will be out before .
Speaker 2 (13:44):
October 30.
It will be out All right.
Well, on October 30th in LosAngeles we will be hosting the
18th, now called Karen curedinner.
We'll probably have, I don'tknow, 600 people or so with
tables and a entire gala eventNot wood.
We will kind of continue to dowhat we've done kind of in the
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recent trending years, cause welook at this like a business
with a P andL and we've beenblessed.
We have been blessed in thecommunity that it's an event
that people show up for and wehave been raising a million plus
dollars in a night for epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Talk a little bit because it's one of the things
and I had actually met Markbefore I met you because I think
maybe Billy introduced us orwhatever it was talk a little
bit about what the mission ofCNC is, because it really
resonated with me when I firstheard it.
It's a little unusual of whatyou guys have been doing with
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that funds and admirable.
So talk a little bit about that, please.
Thanks, mike.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, when Mark and I got into it now I'm backing up
to the beginning we learnedrather quickly that there was a
lot of research going on, reallygood research, everyone trying
to find some kind of new cure,new remedy, medicine that maybe
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wouldn't erad know.
The doctors tell me you don'tnecessarily eradicate epilepsy,
but you can lessen or decreaseor just make, make go away.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Which, of course, the seizures, right.
So we said to ourselves allright, there's all this research
going on, but who's actuallydeciding what to like, what to
administer?
Well, it's the doctors, right.
There weren't any Right.
So we came up with this termcare and cure.
Actually deciding what to like,what to administer, well, it's
the doctors, right.
There weren't any right.
So we came up with this termcare and cure and we really
decided we were going to focuson the care side, because the
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cure to us was all of thisresearch, that care were the
doctors, and there was a massivescarcity, just a dearth of
doctors that were experts.
We call them epileptologists tobe fancy.
So these are folks who'veobviously been to medical school
, they've done residencies,they've studied to be
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neurologists, so these are likethe smartest of the smart, and
then they go beyond and theykeep studying and then they
become a sub-sub-specialist andthey are called epileptologists.
Then they go beyond and theykeep studying and then they
become a sub-sub-specialist andthey are called epileptologists
and they are specifiedneurologists to focus on
epilepsy.
So that was our mission, mike,to answer your question.
So all the funds we've beenraising go to partnering with
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hospitals that do not haveepileptologists.
We create endowments, wepartner with the hospitals, we
try to go 50, 50 with them.
That's the model.
And we set up an in perpetuityendowment so that every year, on
the year, a new epileptologistwill come out of the program and
enter the world.
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And last last point, there'ssomething like this fact where
every epileptologist that comesout can positively impact 20,000
to 30,000 individuals sufferingwith epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, yeah, it's like I said when I first heard about
it through Mark.
It moved me and it's applicablehere in Wisconsin, because the
northern part of our state isvery remote, right, and you know
your nearest options.
If you're in the top half ofWisconsin or heading over to
Mayo and I don't even know whatthe epileptology setup is over
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there, or coming down to Madison, that's hours and hours of
drive and the Northern part ofWisconsin is not the most
well-to-do, so that means takingoff work and driving four hours
and all that other stuff.
So it just resonated with me.
It's such a huge need and youcan't depend on their GP to do
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it, you know, and if the nearestneurologist is Minneapolis, the
nearest epileptologist could beeven farther than that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So it's plane flights away in many cases, and we do
help.
We definitely handle situationswhere folks need, you know, the
transportation in the, uh, thehotel rooms, because these these
issues require days, weeks attimes, and cities like Los
Angeles are are not cheap, sadlyso.
(18:26):
So, yeah, so.
So the foundation that we have,you know, tries to serve all of
that.
We can't can't serve everybody,obviously, but but we try to,
you know, tries to serve all ofthat.
We can't serve everybody,obviously, but but we try to,
you know, take the really toughcases and help the families find
a solution.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know, it's interesting, I I can't believe
it never occurred to me.
But when you talk about thedays, right, sometimes you need
to I remember with my son behooked up to that EEG for days
before you would get all thereadings that you need, and
that's just to start thediagnosis, right.
I mean, that's just so.
I hadn't made that connectionin my head.
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But it's not just that thenearest person is four hours
away, but you might need to takea week off of work if you're
mom and dad or you know.
And that's just the start ofthe diagnosis, because almost
all of us I've been doing a lotof these podcasts lately and I
talk to people and more oftenthan not it starts with well, we
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were misdiagnosed at first, andthen we blah, blah, blah, you
know.
So I just your care and cure isjust.
It really, really resonateswith me and if we keep doing
this Joey song thing, right,we're gonna piggyback on that,
because that's where the rubberreally meets the road.
We will, we will.
So let's talk a little bitabout Joey song.
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So you are part of theentertainment business or were
before you've taken your littlesabbatical.
Here it is, and I always dothis next little speech very
carefully because I don't wantto sound like I'm besmirching
something else.
But there's there's thetraditional ways of doing
fundraising that people can dogolf tournaments, walks, all
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that type of stuff.
I'm fortunate because of mycollege relationship with Butch
Big, butch Vig.
You're fortunate because ofyour history of being able to
get into the entertainmentbusiness to, I assume, attract
people to your gala.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm sure, there's a network.
There's a network, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I unabashedly and unashamedly use that because,
as a father, our job is to usewhatever resources the universe
has given us.
And mine happened to be that kidfrom Veruca named Butch Vig who
went on to win some Grammyawards and do all that type of
stuff and decided to help meTalk a little bit about.
As you're putting together yourevents, you're thinking about
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where you're going to talk,about the role that the
entertainment industry plays init.
I have a reason I'm asking youthis, but I'm going to wait for
your answer before I Sure.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know to to you now, mike, because you you're
living it and you're in it andyou know I've been in it and I
guess I still have a lot ofrelationships in the network.
Forget that I'm not showing upin an office maybe each day.
It may come as a surprise tothe non
entertainmententertainmentlisteners out there who don't
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know the ecosystem, but when Itell you, despite all of I'll
say in air quotes, the battles,lawyer versus studio lawyer, big
CEO slamming the fist down,it's never going to happen on my
watch, et cetera, et cetera,then you get to like six o'clock
(21:40):
in the evening and there's acharitable event, everyone shows
up.
It's amazing, like there's thisswitch and there's this
compassion and I just, this ismy guesswork, I have no idea,
mike, I really don't, but I butI just think, you know, in
business there's a face thatfolks have to wear.
It's the tough face, it's thehard face, it's the competitive
(22:03):
face, it's business, yep.
And then you know, and I'mhappy to you know, believe this,
because it's my reason forleaving, there's hope for
humankind.
There is that compassionate,empathetic side, and folks check
themselves, they look atthemselves in the mirror and
they said, damn, am I lucky todo what I do.
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I mean, look at this, I'mmaking TV shows, I'm making
music, I'm making movies withthe most well-known directors
and stars in the world.
Hang on a second, I gotta giveback right.
And I just have found that theentertainment industry, writ
large, wants to give back timeand time again.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So well that that you , you walked.
That was exactly where I wasgoing to go with this, because I
believe I, I do believe.
My theory is and you and Imentioned right you're a left
brain guy, I'm a marketing guy,but not a creative guy in like
creating meaningful stuff, I cancreate slogans and ads.
People that truly create artand are part of that process by
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their nature want you to knowhow they feel.
That's why you write a song,that's why you write a script or
what you've observed.
So, by definition, they weartheir heart firmly on their
sleeve.
So when you give them a chanceto emote, to help others right,
and as you and I are both in,even though neither one of us
(23:31):
are strictly pediatricepilepsies, our stories come
from our kids when you give theentertainment community a chance
to wear that heart on theirsleeve for something other than
my late.
You know the car wash interviewsyou do for your new movie or
the.
You know the radio shows you dofor your new album.
Correct, a lot of people really, I know for me.
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I look, I get people to comefrom Los Angeles to Madison,
wisconsin, in January for a week.
So that that's your, that'syour proof point.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
As they say in Brooklyn, that's a schlep.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And a schlep with four icicles hanging off of it
too when it comes to it.
So I agree, I believe it isinherent in the entertainment
folks, because now that I am inkind of that treadmill I've done
enough of this and know enoughpeople.
Everybody, even the people,when they say no, they fall all
(24:31):
over themselves to apologize forhaving to say no, right,
because they know they're luckyand they want to help.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's right.
And then you know, usuallythey'll show up the next year.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's 100% it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, it is wonderful and it's a great community that
supports, frankly, you know, alot of important issues and
charities, but I think you and Iare fortunate to, I guess, be
two that are, I say, kind of onthe list.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, I always remember my life is built
around Seinfeld references.
There was the episode whereGeorge Costanza had the wallet
with the model in it and somepeople thought it was his
girlfriend.
And then he was able to go tothe parties.
You know, and Butch is thegirlfriend in my wallet, right,
(25:24):
who's gotten me into all theseparties?
And then now I'm on the listand at least people take my call
, and that's perfect.
It's all you need, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You just have to have an at-bat.
Doesn't mean you're going toget a home run, but you need the
bat in your hands.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Just give me a chance to tell you my story.
That's all I ask.
Let me tell you my story, andI'm sure you and Mark feel the
same way, as you've built all ofthis up Very well said, yes.
Well, andrew Gumpert, thank youso much for joining me today.
I am extremely pleased that youare on our side and serve on
one of our advisory boards.
And, speaking of schleps, I'mabsolutely expecting you to
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schlep out here in January tosee what we do, because you need
to be a part of this.
Can you play keyboards oranything, do you?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
play sax.
I'm a guitar player.
You're a guitar player, yeah,and I see again we're on video a
little, but I see some guitarsin the back of your room there,
so I figured you'd use it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, well, yeah, but not very well.
But that's why it's down in thebasement, where nobody can hear
it or it can't cause anyhardship to the dogs or
neighbors.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, we'll be there.
Billy has mandated it.
So in the circle of friendship,you know it's going to happen,
so looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Good.
Andrew Gumpert, thank you forjoining me today.
Everybody, thanks for listening.
I encourage you to find outmore about Care and Cure because
I really think it's a.
It moved me and I'm you know,I'm a Midwestern German so I
don't get moved that easily, butwhen I first heard about it,
it's phenomenal what you andMark have done out there with
Epilepsy LA and I'm really gladyou're on our team.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, thank you so much, mike.
I appreciate it and I love theconversation.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
All right, Thanks for joining us for the Joey Song
Podcast.
Remember to visit our website,joeysongorg.
Follow us on all our socialmedia handles, which are at Joey
Song.
We'll see you guys at the show.
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(27:28):
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