The Quadcast - Rain

What if a song could change the way you see a stormy day? Join us as we explore the powerful connection between music and weather, kicking off with the unpredictable climates of Wisconsin and Chicago. We uncover how iconic rain-themed songs like Prince's "Purple Rain" and The Beatles' "Rain" capture our emotions and shape our moods. Our musical journey takes a nostalgic turn into the heart of the Motown era, highlighting the Temptations' shift from cheerful love songs to thought-provoking tracks like "I Wish it Would Rain."

Ever wondered how controversies shape the music industry? Dive into the intriguing tales of musical mimicry and scandals that rocked the charts. We discuss Vanilla Ice's infamous sample of "Under Pressure" and the rise and fall of Milli Vanilli in a world where appearances sometimes overshadow authenticity. This episode also shines a spotlight on the unique sound of Garbage, with Butch Vig and Shirley Manson delivering the grunge and emo vibes that defined the 90s. Their hit "I'm Only Happy When It Rains" serves as a perfect example of this era's distinctive angst.

As we celebrate the magic of music, we reveal the excitement behind the Joey's Song events, where artists gather to perform unforgettable covers in support of epilepsy research. With musicians from bands like The Bangles and Goo Goo Dolls, these concerts promise a fusion of styles and a vibrant community spirit. Stay tuned for updates on our upcoming events, and don't forget to engage with us on social media for more behind-the-scenes fun and announcements. Join us in celebrating the transformative power of music and the camaraderie of the Joey's Song community.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:21):
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.
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going to talk to folks in themedical profession, we'll talk
to some of the sponsors and someof the folks that make all of
this possible, and all sorts ofstuff that help you understand

(01:02):
more about what's going on withJoey's Song.
So stick around to find outmore on the Joey's Song podcast.
So, william songs about moisturetoday as we get into.

(01:24):
I think we're recording this in.
I know we're recording this inOctober.
I don't think we're recordingthis in October, and it has been
particularly dry up here inWisconsin.
What's the weather been likedown in the greater Chicago area
?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, pretty happy.
We're not experiencing a lot inthe moisture department.
There's neither rain nor snowyet, so both good signs in the
moisture department.
There's neither rain nor snowyet, so both good signs.
The weather, like a lot ofthings in the world right now,
seems to be fairly unpredictable.

(01:57):
A lot of hoping and praying.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot ofhoping and praying, A lot of I
don't know.
They say we're supposed to dropa little bit over the weekend
and maybe early next week, butthen it's supposed to get warm
again.
It was 80 here today.
It was 80 here today too.
I mean, we're not that far fromeach other, so that shouldn't
be shocking, but for the time ofthe year it's slightly shocking

(02:22):
.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, especially when you consider for those of you
again depends on when you'relistening to this we just had
Hurricane Helene and HurricaneMilton pummel, the southeast and
I had a friend down inAsheville that had a tree at
five in the morning come throughtheir roof and if it had not
been for one of the overheadplanks they would have been not

(02:46):
with us anymore.
Kind of stuff really.
He sent me some pictures.
I mean, the inside of theirhouse looks like a sandbar.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's crazy stuff that's going on down there.
It's just, it's, it's so sadand you just wish you could do
something about it to slow itdown or stop it or yeah.
But you think about thelogistics of the people without
the power and just trying tomove around, and then, even at
some point in time, everybody'sgoing to kind of forget that
that happened, and that's whencleanup starts.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
We got kind of a big national thing in about a month
going on and the whole world isfocused on that and they'll
forget that half of northcarolina doesn't have clean
drinking water and electricitynow.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
That said, that said, I guess one of my struggles in
life is I I just and I guessthis comes from not living in an
area that has these kinds ofthings frequently happen but in
my small brain I would alwaysthink like, hey, at some point
after maybe two or three ofthese, I'm thinking about

(03:50):
jumping and going somewhere else.
Now, that's of course.
I didn't grow up there, it'snot home.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, but the other part of it too is we used to
have hurricanes of the centuryonce a century.
Now we have three a year Right.
So we'll give people a coupleof years to get used to the fact
that maybe this is the newnormal for a while, and then
they can.
You know, katrina.

(04:17):
Katrina was the hurricane ofthe century, and then I don't
even remember all the othernames where we've had seven or
eight of them since then, so,and we've had two this year.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
There's nothing anymore in terms of weather that
would be considered normal.
I don't believe no at all atall.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And you know, you'd almost think that you and I
scripted part of this oractually had a plan, because
that is a perfect lead intotoday's topic.
What is today's topic, william?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
that is a perfect lead into today's topic.
What is today's topic, william?
Today's topic is actually oneof the aforementioned weathers
that we would plural.
Yeah, there's yes, um, uh, thespecific one today is rain.
Rain, yes, favorite of thenegative um temperature.
I love when it rains.
I love sleeping in the rain.
I love everything about therain.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was just thinking, though, we've done these in
chronological order sort of, andwe just did Prince cover songs.
I guess nobody's ever coveredit, but perhaps the greatest
rain song by Prince Purple Rain,and we're not even going to see
, we couldn't make it throughone episode without mentioning
it At.
We couldn't make it through oneepisode without mentioning it.
At least I couldn't, right.
No one knew, not even on thetopic today.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I was actually, when we were bantering about the
weather, was going to bring up aPrince song.
Sometimes it Snows in April.
April, yes, it does.
When that first came out it wasalmost a joke, like yeah,
really, sometimes Now it's likethe snow's in june, it's like
right keeps moving forward.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
so and you're putting on spf 50 in november right,
right.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, we're talking about the rain and not the
purple kind, the other so wehave got, as per the name,
quadcast.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
We have got four pretty interesting songs about
rain and we'll go take a shortbreak right now and when we come
back we'll give people a chanceto put on their raincoats and
get their umbrella and theirgaloshes and we'll come back and
we'll do four songs about rain.
So stick around, folks, we willbe right back about rain.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
So stick around, folks, we will be right back.
All right, mike our first songup.
I believe you're gonna takethis one.
It is something by thetemptations.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
It is anytime I can talk motown, I'm happy, I'm a
happy man and anytime it's, Isleep on a Friday, yeah.
I mean it's perfect, right, I, Iand I was literally earlier
dancing in the street, so that'sperfect.
Um, anytime I can talk aboutMotown, it makes me very happy,
and if you have never been toHitsville, usa, in Detroit, I

(07:01):
would suggest any listeners goum just to walk around and see
how small that place was and allthe magic that came out of it.
It's an amazing, an amazingstory, and you can stand right
in the studio there in thegarage in Hitsville where they
recorded a lot of the stuff andone of the highlights for me I
took my son, sam, and they havesome old photos around the

(07:23):
studio and there's a nail no,I'm sure it's probably not the
around the studio and there's anail.
No, I'm sure it's probably notthe same nail, but there's a
nail in the wall where you cansee a picture and David Ruffin
had his coat hanging on it.
So they let you hang your coaton David.
Yeah, I'm sure it's this 17thnail since Ruffin was there, but
I still, I still pretended itwas so.
But yeah, anytime I can talkabout Motown, it makes me happy.

(07:48):
I fight I've had more barfights over the fact that, even
though he's not a temptation,that Levi Stubbs is one of the
four greatest singers in musichistory, and I will fight
anybody that wants to talk to meabout that.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
After the show I'm going to have to find out who
the other three are.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
One of them is me, so that tells you how good the
list is.
I'm still tracking with you, sofar.
So we're going to talk about theTemps and we're going to talk
about I Wish it Would Rain.
So before we get into the song,because it came a little bit
later in the Temps career, let'stalk about those five guys from
the Detroit area.
Now, not to turn this into acomplete history lesson, but

(08:30):
most people that are somewhatMotown literate know that they
started out as the Primes andthe Supremes started out as the
Primettes and there was thiswhole I guess you would call it
kind of street corner serenade,kind of stuff going on and
that's what a lot of thoseDetroit Motown acts, the tops,
and you can go right down thelist Martha and the Vandellas,

(08:51):
and all of them were like highschool friends.
You know the thought of allthat talent.
And let's not even mentionStevie wonder and everybody else
that were all smoky, that wasall bubbling around in Detroit
around that time.
And then, of course, gordyBerry having the or Gordy Berry,
Wow, music dyslexia, first daywith a new set of rented lips.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Holy cow, I knew exactly who you were talking
about.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Barry Gordy having the wherewithal to put it
together and the whole Motownstory.
If you don't know the storyabout how they figured out what
was a single and what wasn't,it's really really pretty
amazing.
But the Primes and thePrimettes were a brother and
sister kind of group goingaround and I believe it was what
happened a lot back in those60s.

(09:36):
They found out there wassomebody else called the Primes
and so they changed the name tothe Temptations.
But there were a couple lineupsbefore the classic lineup but
the classic of Paul and Otis andEddie and David and I'm
blanking on the third one,fourth one, doesn't matter, I'll
get it eventually Really kindof coalesced in 63-64 and had

(10:02):
put out several records andnothing really hit until we
already mentioned him, smokeygave them my Girl and the chart
just blew off the roof, justblew off the place.
The way you do the things you do.
A lot of those were veryclassic songs.
But all of those songs werevery upbeat and kind of peppy
and you know, boy meets girl,girl meets, boy falls in love

(10:24):
and heads out that type of stuffwhich was great.
But what makes the song thatwe're going to talk about today
I Wish it Would Rain.
So important to me is it waskind of the.
To me it was the stepping stonefor Motown.
Going into darker types ofthings, I can't draw a straight

(10:44):
line from I Wish it Would Rainto Marvin Gaye and some of his
socially aware stuff, but if youthrow in Papa Was a Rolling
Stone and some of those otherthings, you can start to connect
the dots and see where this wasreally that first foray and it
was.
To me it's David Ruffin'sgreatest performance because the

(11:07):
emotive you know for those ofyou that don't know the story
behind I Wish it Would Rain is aspurned lover who can't get
over the loss of his girlfriend.
But the reason he wishes itwould rain is so that it would
cover up the tears Right, andit's spelled out explicitly in
the lyrics.
And so it was, like you know,one of the first non happy

(11:29):
ending things that really cameout of Motown and really came
and the temps were kind ofleading that and it's just it.
It's a motive in a way thatMotown had never been before.
I don't know.
Are you familiar with I Wish itWould Rain, william?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I am familiar with the song.
Yes, what are your thoughts?
I think you summed it up verynicely.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't know how quite frankly, a person could
not like any song that comesfrom the Temptations Right right
, yeah, even the current ones,with only Otis as the remaining
member, it's still, yeah, I mean, it's still just amazing,
amazing music.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
And I've never been to Detroit, but I feel like I
can safely say every time I hearthe Temptations or most of the
other groups that you mentioned,it does bring me back to Motown
, even though I've never beenthere.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, there's a.
You know it was a and, by theway, I had to cheat and look,
melvin Franklin was the fifthtemp.
I'm sorry, melvin, up in heaven, I can't believe that I forgot
your name.
The whole process of Motown andthe development of that sound
for those of you that weregrowing up in the 60s or have

(12:47):
looked back on this there werekind of two and a half schools
of soul music in the US.
There was the Detroit sound andthen there was obviously the
Memphis sound, right with stacksand all that.
A little bit later in the 70syou got that Philly sound,
spinners and OJs and all thattype of stuff.
But that was a slicker stuffand it's funny for most of us

(13:09):
you were kind of either aMemphis guy or a Detroit guy and
for me it wasn't really close.
I've learned to appreciate theMemphis sound, but that sound
that came out of Detroit andobviously you know, with the
Wrecking Crew and all theWrecking crew was both places.
So I guess I'm wrong on that oneagain.

(13:30):
It really we really shouldpractice this, william, and then
I wouldn't be talking out of myhat, but to me it always spoke
to me because the production wasso Memphis was grittier Detroit
was smoother, I guess, is theway that I would describe it and
, and you know the temps thenwent on to do so many other
things as they morphed out ofteen boy you know it's hard to

(13:51):
sing boy meets girl songs whenyour lead singer's 48, although
there's a lot of bands thatstill do that but then they went
in like a lot of those Motownacts, they went into the
socially conscious stuff andjust a landmark band for me.
To this date they've released 60, six zero albums and I don't

(14:14):
think they tour anymore.
For a while they used to tourwith the Tops but then when Levi
passed away 10 years or so ago,that Temps Tops show kind of
stopped and it really just isOtis that's left and as great as
Otis is, it's hard to build asound around your original bass
singer.
You know I mean, there's onlyso much that you can do on that

(14:34):
stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
What year they started?
What year-ish?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
62, 63-ish 64, but okay, yeah, yeah, that's Feeding
power.
Yeah, you know.
So it's always exploding right,the Beatles and the Stones and
the Detroit, and you know youhad Otis Redding Out of Memphis
and you know Elvis was 10 years.
The foundation seminal stuff,just seminal stuff.

(14:59):
But the thing that I'm surewe'll talk about more With some
of these other songs as well isthe strength of that rain
metaphor.
Again, especially this one.
You know, sunshine, blue skies,please go away.
Or moments left another andgone away.
Sorry, I won't do all thelyrics, but the point is that

(15:20):
whole metaphor of the darknessthat the rain brings.
And then on his particular face, because he doesn't want his
friends to see that he's crying,it's just haunting.
And then the orchestration.
It's a very dark performance.
And again, ruffin, if you're notfamiliar with David Ruffin, one
of the truly great voices aswell, and he brings such a
motive and a rawness to hisvocals.

(15:42):
On that there's a couple greatvideos.
Those were back in the dayswhen everybody would do the ed
sullivan show and merv griffinand a lot of these motown acts
would do it.
Um, there's a coupleperformances in particular that
are that are live, that are notlip-synced.
Um, that they did, that it just.
I mean, he rips your heart outruffin does.
He's amazing, amazing he is.

(16:05):
So that's probably about itAgain.
I could do a million things onMotown and the Temps, but I
really like I Wish it Would Rain, because it's not that happy
peppy.
Hey, you know kind of stuffthat Smokey was great at,
because even when Smokey wouldwrite down Troddler the tears of
the clown and all that otherstuff, you still were tapping

(16:28):
your toe and Dan, I mean Smokeyhad that gift of writing sad
songs, sad topics, depressinglyrics and you're still out
there doing the twist.
It's miraculous, Just absolutelymiraculous.
Got anything else you want totalk about with the Temps and
Motown?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, I think we're good, there I will forewarn
people, our next song weprobably won't have as much to
talk about, because the groupthat's doing our next song
really doesn't have much to sayabout them.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, you won't have a whole lot, so we can probably
breeze through that.
But while we get ready, whileyou and I try to figure out
something to say about the nextband, how about if we play a
little bit of I wish it wouldrain by the time?
I think that would be a greatidea.
All right, here we go.
So david ruff and eddiekendricks, melvin franklin, paul
williams and otis wilson, Iknew I could do it the
temptations with I wish it wouldrain I wanna go outside.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's a lovely day, but everyone knows that a man
ain't supposed to cry.
Listen, I gotta cry Causecrying raises the pain.
Oh yeah, people just hurt.
I feel inside Words could neverexplain.

(17:42):
I just wish it would rain.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
God damn, that song makes me cry every time, William
.
I cannot help it.
It just does.
Lyrically and sonically it's asclose to perfection as you're
going to come Now, this nextband that we're going to talk
about.
I hate it when we have to spenda lot of time explaining to
people who these folks are whenwe do one of these, but when we
have to spend a lot of timeexplaining to people who these
folks are when we have, when wedo one of these.

(18:07):
But sometimes you have to,because sometimes greatness
comes from obscurity.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
So we might have done this one too.
They might not be familiar.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right, and that's that's what I'm worrying about.
So this song is specificallycalled rain and it's by a band
from Liverpool called theBeatles, I'm told.
Some people say they were theSilver Beatles, some people say
they were the Quarrymen, but Ithink it's mostly the Beatles
with an A, which is crazy talk,I understand.
But anyway so our topic is, andobviously rich in sarcasm, I

(18:42):
could do a 72-hour miniseries onthe Beatles alone, song by song
, and make everybody want tokill themselves.
But our band is the Beatles andnot an album track, just a
B-side, as we all know.
Truly one of the coolest songs,rain.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, so I'm going to pull the curtain back a little
bit on the quad cast here justto let everybody in a little of
the behind the scenes on this.
So this week you actually gaveme the opportunity to select
which songs I want to go with.
One would think that would bean easy decision.

(19:22):
Yeah, I know that you know morethan than me and I tend to love
listening to you like talkabout temptations and I loved it
.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I love to listen to me too, as we all know.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yes and I was like, oh, I kind of want you to do
like all of these sit back andlisten, because I knew, I know
you're, uh, significantly moreof a beatles expert I am.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But that's it, I think you'll do just fine.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
As you mentioned, it's a B-side to the 1966 hit
single Paperback Writer, but itis a very unique, groundbreaking
track that John Lennon wroteprimarily and it was heavily
influenced by the psychedelicera, reflecting where the band

(20:11):
was at, going from liveperformers to really studio
innovators.
The lyrics of the song are verysimple but very evocative,
touching on the themes ofweather perception.
I was re-listening to the songagain earlier today and I feel
like Lennon really sings abouthow rain or sunshine really

(20:33):
affects people's moods,suggesting the true
understanding comes from lookingbeyond external circumstances.
It's kind of a metaphor aboutmental clarity which maybe a lot
of people in today's worldcould use.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
And John could have used too.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, a little lyrical about the rain.
Again, it really fit with whatwas going on at the time.
The Beatles worked with GeorgeMartin, a very famous producer,
on this, and they experimentedwith slowing down the rhythm
track during recording so gavethe song a deeper kind of

(21:10):
heavier sound.
That went along, I thought,quite well with the lyrics.
Yep um, ringo's drumming on thetrack is often praised as one
of his best performances.
That was, uh was something Ilearned today, which is not
surprising, but I always enjoy alittle Ringo.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
A little side thing, and you're right, I'm one of
those awful Beatles people.
So, first of all, ringo'sleft-handed, which is unusual
for drummers.
And then Ringo played from theshoulder as opposed with his
hands, and and I'm not, this isnot anything I ever heard, but
this is what they talk about.
One of the reasons why hisdrumming is so unique is it's

(21:55):
always a micro second later thanit would be, because instead of
doing with his hands, he doesthis, and if you watch the, I
guess we're on radio right, hey,everybody ringo does this.
I see it Leans into it and thattakes a little extra time.
Interesting, and that's part ofthe swing and the intro, why

(22:15):
Ringo is so hard to emulatebecause it's not enough.
Obviously, you listen to it andit sounds perfect.
But for those that know so, andhe talks about that, obviously
you listen to it and it soundsperfect.
But for those that know so andhe talks about that, there's
several videos of him talkingabout the fact that he played
more with his body than with hishands, and it's just one more
of those little things that makethat combination of four guys

(22:37):
so magical.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
But his, his drumming on that is just spectacular,
just spectacular and then youknow one other thing I noticed
at the end of the song.
Um, it is this I don't know ifthis is true or not, but it
sounded like they did somethingwith lennon's voice.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, it's a backwards tape.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
yeah, okay, yeah, um, I don't know was that?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I assume that was on purpose, oh yeah yeah, I mean
that was part of the story.
I know they like to trydifferent things.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And because I think I Feel Fine was when they had the
first feedback.
They like to do all thesefirsts on it.
The other thing that you'llfind out about Lennon is after
about the first two records.
He hated the sound of his ownvoice so he always had George
usuallytracking or slowing himdown.
There's the famous StrawberryFields, where it's two vocal

(23:34):
takes mixed together and allthis other stuff.
I'm sure and I'm making thisanecdote up, but hopefully it'll
get into Beatles lore I'm surethey were listening to the
playback and Lennon says that'ssuch an awful take I bet you
could play it backwards.
And they said, well, let's givethat a try.
That seems like a great idea.
Right, right, there's lots ofBeatles stuff because the guitar

(23:56):
I think the guitar on Rain isalso backwards.
I think it's both the vocalsand the guitars back, yeah, yeah
.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I'm not even sure I can wrap my arms around what
that sounds like, but I'm goingto go back and listen to it.
Yeah, go back.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, that's right.
Well, I tell you what after weget done with this little thing,
we'll play you a section of it.
I'll make sure that we playthat part so you can hear it
Also to that note.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
All the songs from this show and every show we do
from now on will be on aQuadcast Spotify playlist, which
you can find a link to on theQuadcast Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's blowing up.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
from what I hear, I think we got a call from Spotify
telling us to please stop, theysaid, slow it down, slow the
roll.
We love all the new membersthat are signing up for the
premium package.
Right, right, I think one ofthe servers crashed last.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Next, show is right I think one of the servers
crashed last time when everybodywas rushing to hear all the
prince covers.
There you go, yeah, no, I thatthis period, the revolver,
rubber soul period, is myfavorite beatles period.
Yeah, that that's.
That's when the psychedelicswere kicking in and when they

(25:05):
decided they were you or them.
Where are you?
Who are we?
What do we?
Yeah, where, where?
Well, I I'm gonna say thembecause I was six at the time,
okay, and even though I was fromwisconsin and all things are,
you know, fair game here, I wasnot into psychedelics, at least
until fifth grade, into MrsBuddy's class.

(25:27):
But it's my favorite periodbecause it was before they went
off completely into left field,and I love there's.
I can name about three Beatlessongs that I don't like.
So when I say for them goingoff in left field, it's still a
great thing, but it was afterthe simple she loves you.

(25:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but beforeStrawberry Fields, right, and so
I feel like they were messingaround more sonically, which I
find much more interesting thanit, and I very much to like the
Mount Rushmore one.
I vacillate between Revolver andRubber Soul as my favorite
record, and it just depends onwhat kind of day.
I love that time period andwhen you can have a song as

(26:10):
great as Rain and just have itbe a toss away B-side.
I'm not going to do a Liverpoolaccent, but there's not room
for it on the album.
Well then, put it on the backof the next hit single.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Do you think to that point that you just made earlier
?
Do you think there's anothercomparable group of musicians,
aka a band, out there thatliterally, if you broke down
their eras, they're almost likesix different bands?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
right in an eight year period too, right.
Well, that's the amazing 62 to70.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Right, that's the amazing thing.
But I mean, man, I mean likethere's nothing like the the
early beatles stuff versus thestrawberry fields.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Right is like and and that's only, that's only six
years apart, I know you know,there's not a straight squiggly
circly.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
There's no line between the two.
It's like it's just they couldbe from different countries,
different worlds right no,there's, there's, there's no
band.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
And again, uh, beatles bias gonna throw it
right out there.
I, you know, I guess I'm gonnafight a lot of people, because
I'm gonna fight anybody thattells me they're not the
greatest band ever.
Well, I'm, but I was picturingmyself I thought you were a
lover, not a fighter.
I'm a lover, not a fighter, asas Michael Jackson and Paul
McCartney said.
Um, no, there's no band that'seven close to and the, because

(27:35):
the Beatles had the advantage ofbeing first in line.
That doesn't mean some folksthat have come, but when, when
you lay down the blueprint, like, nobody can take the, the blues
country title from elvisbecause he was the first to do
that, right, so I don't knowwhether he was the best, but he
was the first.

(27:55):
And because nobody had done itbefore.
That's groundbreaking stuff.
Um, and the beatles?
The beatles were the same way,and all you need to do is look
around to look at how everyother band in that era was
copying them and trying to dothat.
Right, pull out the stones,their satanic majesty's request,
and it's obviously them tryingto be Sergeant Pepper, right,
and you do.

(28:15):
Mothers of Invention had one.
So now there are.
There are artists that I wouldput in as being ballsy enough to
do anything that.
Neil Young comes to mind.
Right, he did his, his big band, he did his trans electric
phase, he did his country phase,he did his noise.
So, but, uh, neil needs to worka little bit on the quality

(28:39):
control issue that comes withthat, but, but but certainly the
um, the guts to do that.
He's one of those that are, butnothing like the Beatles,
because they were first anybodyto them in that regard of
showing such progression fromthree chords and a yeah, yeah,

(29:08):
yeah To backwards vocals and youknow all the stuff on those.
You know, like the white album.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Right, and I don't really care for the, the
comparison conversations either,because there's so much
subjectiveness to you know, it'skind of like what you like and
whatever, but well and what andwhat you heard first.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Too right for somebody that's a generation
after us who the beatles weredone by the time they heard it
right, and so their first foraysinto music was 70s pop, you
know.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So yeah you can't do that comparative stuff I think I
used to fall on the side of thestones yep, oh, and the stones
beetle thing.
But that's because I'm like Imissed the beatles touring.
I mean, I was alive when theycame to america, but just barely

(30:04):
and right.
You know they were done by thetime I got to where I was super
impressionable and you know, oneof my first concerts I ever saw
was the stone.
So, of course, but when youlook, when you, when you break
down the body of work for them,I mean both of those two bands
have an incredible thing the,the short period of time in

(30:28):
which the Beatles accomplishedstuff that never is going to go
away.
I mean this is, this is here tostay, and the fact that they
have, like all my kids in highschool took a class called the
Beatles.
Which.
Where was that when?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I was in school, yeah , yeah, well, we cause, we were
living it, william, we weren'tstudying it, that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yes, we were in the fields, we couldn't study it,
but that's never going away.
And then you look at the Stonesand the fact that they're still
touring 50 years later.
I mean that's incredible too.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
So it's just kind of like yeah, it's it is turned
into absolutely apples andoranges between the two.
Right, especially once and Iknow we're not supposed to be
talking about the Stones, butyou know, when the Stones went
into the beggars banquet andsticky fingers after they came
out of their satanic majestiesand Keith was like sorry, I'm
too much of a music dork, Iapologize.

(31:24):
Right, keith had his six monthswith Graham Parsons, you know,
and Graham was just about totake the birds in a cool new
direction, and all that, andKeith got back to the no, no, no
, we're not a blues band, butwe're not a pop band, we are a
bluesy rock, something or other.
And then they found, they foundtheir voice as the Beatles were
ending Right, so they went onand did their own thing, and

(31:48):
that stands by itself.
And yeah, I'm, I'm not a.
I realized that's how we liketo do things right.
Blur, oasis, or, you know, yougo right down the list and at
the time it was a, it was avalid kind of thing, but it's,
it's apples and oranges now.
Apples and oranges.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's like the kids trying to compare who's the
better basketball player,Michael Jordan or LeBron.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, we all know it's Michael and there's no.
Oh sorry, no, we're notsupposed to do that.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't disagree, but I would say you could make the
argument.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's pretty tough to compare because of Well and the
other thing, my son Sam and I doa lot of basketball arguing
because he's LeBron and I'm Mike.
Although he appreciates Mikefor what he is, it's like oh no,
I'm the second greatestbasketball player of all time.
What a burden you know, yeah,how awful is that.
Although we all know thegreatest player ever was George

(32:43):
Mikan.
Just kidding.
I know you're going to go BillKareem or Bill Russell there, so
I didn't know where you weregoing.
Oscar Robertson.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, there you go, mr.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Double-double, mr, triple-double.
Well, now that we ended thebasketball podcast, the one
thing you mentioned youmentioned the Beatles as a
platform, and it's never goingaway, and the fact that all of
the musical machinations alwayscome back.
They are a thing.

(33:12):
Right that you know.
They were done in the 70s andthen Oasis came along, which a
lot of people would say is thesimilar kind of stuff.
I happen to like Oasis.
I don't.
I think, yeah, I thinkimitation is the sincerest form
of flattery and Nolan is verygood at what he does, even if it
is prototyping Beatles songs.
But you know, you could arguethat even though they didn't

(33:37):
write the songs, a lot of thatOne Direction stuff another
generation later had a veryBeatle-y edge.
I mean, nobody's going back andoh, I'm going to foreshadow
here recreating the MilliVanilli sound, but they are
going back and recreating theBeatles sound and they will
continue to do that ad infinitum.
You and I will be rocking onour front porch telling the kids
to get off our lawn and there'sgoing to be some new trend of

(33:59):
Brit poppy kind of stuff likethe Beatles.
There just will.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Okay, so maybe this might be a topic for another,
another show, but I want toplant it in your brain.
Why is it that nobody can seemsto have the stickiness, like
the beatles or whatever you know, over the course of time and
again, we don't even well, and,and my opinion is, because they
were the first right, I mean,there's still people still flock

(34:24):
to Graceland like crazy right.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
And you know, I there is something about and I am not
a hip hop guy, but I'm surethat there are some folks that
will tell you that you know, drDre, or whoever's considered the
godfather of the genre, nobodywill ever be better or he will
always be the historicaltouchstone because of kind of

(34:48):
stuff, and I, I, I think that Ithink that's a, I think that's a
part of it and the level theytook it to and yeah, and just a
mania part of it well, andbecause music is always an
amalgam, right, it's always uh,you know it's a, it's a rock and
roll was a combination ofcountry and the blues that came
together and created this.

(35:09):
And you know, jazz and bluescreate all these different
things come together.
So there's there's alwaysmixing together.
And then there was that periodNot so great in my opinion when
rap and rock were together andyou had all these bands doing
both and all that.
I wouldn't call thatparticularly successful, but
it's always going to be thatright.

(35:29):
And then technology throws newthings in.
Now, with, you know, auto-tuneand all the other stuff, and
with I mean I literally had tokick my son out of the basement
just now.
He's working on his new songsand he does it all by, you know,
guitars and drums and the wholebit.
So it's all changed.
But the reason those are thetouch points and the stickiness,

(35:50):
as you called it, I think isbecause they were the firsts in
all of those kind of stuff.
And I don't know, you know,when the next disco revival
comes around, you know the BeeGees will be the touch point on
that, because they were thatsound right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
That's my take.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
All yeah, yeah, that's my take.
All right, that's my take, butyeah we can uh, I love rain.
I love that era of the beatles,I love they are.
They were the first headphoneband.
Yeah, I know pink floyd andeverybody came along after them,
but you can still, to this day,sit down and and listen to that
and hear stuff that you didn'thear before.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm a Sony Walkman.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, Discman.
Yeah, but you had to holdexactly this way because if you
tilted it too far it would skip.
You didn't want that.
You didn't want that.
There's a million Beatles songsand, as we've talked about in
other, I'm guessing, we'llprobably do the Beatles again.

(36:51):
Yeah, there'll be other ways,and probably the temps again too
, more than nice, all right, um,so why don't we listen to rain
by the beetles?
I will make sure that we playright now that part where the
backwards guitar.
Uh, maybe we'll we'll um temptfate with the uh, the sensors or
whoever looks over the stuff,and do two 20 second segments
and see if they throw us see ifthey throw us in podcast jail.

(37:11):
But here it comes, greatest bandof all time.
I'll fight you if you sayotherwise.
The beatles with rain.
I can show you.
I can show you, I don't mind.

(37:34):
So don't tell anybody, becausewe're going over our 29.9 second
allotment for music in thepodcast.
But here is the part that wetalked about with the backwards

(37:54):
vocals in Rain.
So take a listen.
God, I love that song and rightnow I just dropped my roach in

(38:21):
my lap and it's burning a holein my fry boots.
Oh well, I'll get'll get.
I will get over it so your fryboots oh I can.
I can sub reference with thebest of them, I guess.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
So I learned.
I learned stuff about you onevery show, mister yeah, most of
it you don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
So now, now is when it gets really fun.
We leave the realm of darkinessand worship, as we've been with
the first two right, you do thetemps, you do the Beatles with
a little Stones talk.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
What do they call this in the DJ world?
Maybe not the best transition,yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know what we need is one of those sound
effects of a record scraping,you know, across the needle.
Um, I don't know any other wayto lead into this other than
leading right into it, probablywithout anybody getting hurt,
one of the greatest musicscandals of all time, of all
time, especially since we livedthrough it.

(39:29):
It didn't involve jerry leelewis marrying his cousin.
It didn't involve an overdosein a bathtub or choking on a ham
sandwich, or driving yourbentley into the pool.
None of that stuff.
None of that.
Still a great story.
Millie freaking vanilli andblame it on the rain.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
William go 1989 was the year.
So imagine this.
Imagine you're thinking aboutthe songs you're gonna cover for
this week's quadcast many timesas humanly possible in the show
.
You're sitting there and you'relike, what am I gonna say about

(40:08):
this?
And then you're like you knowwhat?
I'm gonna watch a little tvfirst, maybe that'll inspire me.
I turn on the tv somethingbrand new on the net, currently
on the netflix.
It's either number one ornumber two on the netflix and
for some reason, by the way, Icompletely missed this story in

(40:28):
the early 90s about the menendezbrothers.
Oh yeah, like, maybe I was thatat the same time as the oj trial
close yeah oj, oj would havebeen 94, 95 yeah, I think I
either got so swept up in thatand I was just like I can't do
this again or whatever.
But yeah, watching this.

(40:49):
I don't know if you've heardabout this series on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I know it exists.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yes, I'm watching it.
I want to say it's eight ornine part series.
I did finish it.
It's excellent, but I did notknow how it ended, or whatever.
But I did not know how it ended, or whatever.
And you really, which isamazing to me, because I usually
at least know how the story.
But I didn't want to ask anyone,I wasn't Googling it, I just

(41:15):
wanted to watch it out.
But anyway, the first episode.
I go to watch it and here comesa song on the radio and it's
the two brothers driving alongand it's Milli Vanilli Blame it
on the Rain.
And they actually played theother three songs off.
Pretty good too.
And I was just girl, you knowit's true.
That was actually the name ofthe album.

(41:39):
I believe it was girl, you knowit's true.
Written in 1989 which is alittle foreshadowing,
considering the fact that therewas nothing true about no, no, I
believe the uh hit maker, dianewarren, who was the writer of
the the track, blame it on therain?
Um, probably was, you know when.

(42:03):
When she wrote it probably wasthinking it was all true and
whatnot, and you know who knowsher involvement in this whole
thing, but um, it was one oftheir most successful singles
that reached at number oneactually on the board hot 100 in
late 1989.
It's a great song, it's a greatrecord.
It's a great record.

(42:24):
It was, it was almost.
Is it a stretch to say it's oneof the perfect songs of that
year?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, Pop music confection perfection.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yep, just absolute storm the words to it.
It's a classic tale about afailed relationship.
To it it's a classic tale abouta failed relationship.
Uh, the person narrating itkind of deflected the blame on
outside forces like the rain,the stars, moon, everything but
the actual what was going on inthe relationship.

(42:57):
Um, it conveys the idea thatsometimes we try to justify our
mistakes by pointing to thingsthat are uncontrollable and so
forth.
Musically, like I was saying,it's emblematic of the late
1980s pop sound.
It features very, very polishedproduction song and it's got a

(43:19):
strong mid-tempo groove with avery catchy chorus, absolutely
Glossy synthetic instrumentationthat was, which was the sound
at the time.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's that it was the synth mtv-ish.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I mean, it was yeah and then I have, and then I have
in my notes again.
I know this is a podcast, noone can see this, I'd hold it up
, but I got, however underlined.
However, Milli Vanilli'ssuccess came crashing down when
it was revealed in 1990 that theduo members Fab Morvan and Rob

(43:58):
Paulaitis had not actually sungon any of the records, including
Big Bit on the Rain.
Nope, they were simply lipsyncing their performances over
vocals provided by studiosingers Yep.
The scandal caused a massivebacklash, resulting in the group
being stripped of their Grammyaward Grammy Best New Artist,

(44:20):
Grammy Yep, and they facedobviously public disgrace
because of that.
They faced obviously publicdisgrace because of that.
However, as all the years havepassed, despite the controversy,
I would say Blame it on theRain remains a very catchy pop
tune from the late 80s.
There's still a little bit ofjokes and whatnot around Vanilli

(44:43):
and so forth.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I mean, milli Vanilli is now a shorthand for faking
it, right?
Oh, milli Vanilli, did you knowkind of stuff?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And that will until the lastperson that was alive in 1989 is
no longer with us.
It will continue to be acultural touchstone, I think.

(45:04):
Right, yeah, yeah, agreed.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
How would you compare Vanilla Vanilla to another
artist from the almost exactsame time, Vanilla Ice?
Oh God, I mean, he did a littlebit on his own, yeah Well have
you ever heard of Vanilla?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Ice interview where he tries to explain how they
didn't lift the entire baselinefrom Queen.
No, no, no, no, it's twodifferent things.
Queen goes dun dun, dun, dun,dun dun, and ours goes dun dun,
dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun dun.
There's an extra straight face,straight face that.
That?
No, no, no, it's not the exactsame baseline.

(45:47):
Two birds of a feather fromdifferent birds, or I don't know
what it is, because you knowthe, the, there's a couple of
great podcasts on Milli Vanilliand the story, like four parters
where they really talk about itand there was some sad I think
fab committed suicide andthere's.
But you know it, and there wassome sad, I think fab committed
suicide, but you know it wreckedthem pretty good.
But you know, for the first tworecords, well, first of all,

(46:11):
the record was made before theyeven found those two guys.
You know this is.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Oh, glad I did not.
Okay, so I have not seen.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
The story, yeah, so the story is.
I believe it was a Germanproducer that had had some other
success producing other artistsand, you know, literally did
the like.
Well, not to really drag thisin, but you know the first
Boston record is all Tom Scholzwith just Brad Delp singing.
All the other guys came inafterward because Scholz put it
together in his basement Verysimilar.

(46:42):
All the other guys came inafterwards because Scholz put it

(47:04):
together in his basement Verysimilar.
This guy, this German producer,put this record together,
brought in session people thathe had worked with on his other
records and they sang it all.
It was like this is really good,but you know they're dumpy
white people, you know, in thein the 80s.
And so you get these two goodlooking guys, you know that can
dance live performances, andthey went up and accepted the
Grammy, like they, you know theyhad.

(47:24):
They had literally gottenthemselves into a place where no
, no, no, we, that is us, eventhough it wasn't, you know, and
and at that point it had gotten,and I don't remember how it all
broke.
It didn't just, it wasn't justbecause somebody figured out
either.
You know the Milliillie guysthat rob and fab started making
a noise, like you know, butsomehow it came out and

(47:48):
obviously the producer didn'tcare.
It's like it doesn't matter tome.
They didn't give me the grammyand I got all the royalties from
this record, so, um, but that'swhat it was.
It was a studio guy who hadmade lots of those, those kinds
of synthy poppy kind of stuffwith studio musicians and found
a couple people to lip sync.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I wonder, in that story that you saw, did it come
out, whether or not?
I'm just kind of wondering,don't you think, as you're
coming up with this, like you'resitting in the room around the
table, like let's get these twoguys to sing it, like does
nobody say at some point in timewhat happens when this comes

(48:31):
out?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah Well maybe they didn't expect it to be what it
turned out to be.
Yeah, but I mean, you know, notto keep a James Bond villain
kind of stuff is, you'll justassume you'll get away with it,
or that, or maybe they didn'tcare because they were going to
make money and they don't carethat those two guys wouldn't be

(48:53):
so stupid, right?
you know, here's, here's a gravytrain.
All you need to do is do promoevery three years for the record
.
I don't know, but yeah, I don'tknow what they had planned.
As we all know, being the musicbusiness, contracts can mean

(49:15):
little to nothing if somebodydecides they want to blow
something up too.
So I don't know, but it's sucha great story.
I'm sorry that people's liveswere ruined and all that.
Don't get me wrong, but it'sthe kind of thing that,
literally, you would expect tobe, like in a Hallmark movie,
right.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
You know, like, like, and if you'd written it,
somebody would have said no no,so I just that just reminded me
of this had happened somethingsimilar to this in the 60s, and
yet I don't know if it was thepeople behind the band or what,

(49:51):
but it obviously didn't take aturn like this because
eventually they did start doing.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Oh, the Monkees, the.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Monkees.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, yeah, but at least all four of them were
musicians they were, and theywere hired because of their
musical background.
Yeah, right yes, yeah, becauseof the tv show, right and?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
and they always at least sang for the first three
records specifically and I thinkI was reminded of that when you
said Milli Vanilli got to apoint where they thought they
could sing it or whatever.
Well, the Monkees actuallyworked their way into being able
to sing all their songs andthere are people that think

(50:35):
those last couple records, aries, capricorn and Jones or
whatever that was in the headare you know and are good of.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Of all of them I liked a lot of Nesmith's post
monkey stuff I did too, yeahCause it had that kind of that
country rock thing to it.
And yeah, but yes, againsimilar but different in the
sense that what they were doingwas miming on the show.
Right Cause Dolan's wasn'treally a drummer.
He became one, good enough todo the stage show and all that.

(51:05):
Right, but Davy Jones was ahell of a tambourine player.
Yes, he was yeah sure was yeah,so but yeah, there's a well.

(51:26):
And then the other one was ohgosh, again, it would be great
if we prepared who was thesinger Not Jessica Simpson, but
her sister.
Oh, ashley Simpson, yeah on.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Saturday.
Night Live yes yeah, yep, yep,I forgot about that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
So all different.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
That was terrible, though, because that was a sound
issue, right Like she wassinging and the sound stopped,
or vice versa or whatever, andlike a technical F up, you know
where.
And yeah, no, there's no, nodoubt in that one, but at that
point though, I think, prior tothat, I think there were a lot

(51:59):
of musicians that would mouth itin concert.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Oh, yeah, yeah oh, lip syncing on TV was not a big
deal, except on Saturday NightLive.
The whole point was it was live.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It was live Right.
But I heard that at concerts,sometimes in the 80s.
Like the first time I ever, Iwent to the.
I don't know if I'm proud,embarrassed or really feeling
old now.
I went to the Like a Virgintour, oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, madge, she didn't soundanything like her album.
Her voice was so doctored onher stuff.

(52:33):
Now I think it's, I think I've.
I'm not a monster fan oranything, but I think she
leveled it out a little bit morenow where I think she sounds a
little bit more like she'scaught up with voice, if you
will, yeah, but um, I think yeah, a lot of people did that oh
and, and I and I think theystill do now with but now with

(52:55):
what you can do with keyboardsand have all the sounds in there
, you can have a trumpet.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I mean you could.
You've had for many years.
It's not like it's a new thingnow, but you know there was lots
of that um, where you'd have itwasn't as live as you thought.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
It was kind of stuff um you know where it is, live
every time 100 of the time Isaid again I said do you know
where it is?
Live every time, a hundredpercent of the time.
I shouldn't make this claimwithout knowing for sure, but
I'm gonna anyway.
Go, go, go, it's going to beall live.
There'll be nothing recordedthere That'll be live.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's for sure, becausein order to have any recordings,
backing tracks, we would haveto plan and prepare.
Nobody wants to do that.
We don't.
We don't even have a clicktrack for the drummer.
That's how unprepared we are sothey're they're back there like
where are we going with this?
Where are we going with this?

(53:53):
Yeah, it's a nice one.
That was man.
You are a professional discjockey.
That was very nice that wasgreat.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I was thinking, uh, side note, and everybody else
doesn't need to hear this, butsince we're, since we're rolling
the tape, a job that I couldhave for the upcoming show, if
you want I could hold up the cuecard that has the next song.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah.
How do you look in a bikini?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
and high heels.
Oh my, I don't know about abikini, but I did recently buy
one of those Will Ferrellswimsuit things.
It's a flag swimsuit.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
We'll talk, I'll have my people call your people.
All right, boy, that took anugly turn.
I'm not sure where to go withit.
That's perfect leads right backinto millie vanillie millie
vanillie, so I don't but I gottatell you, I gotta it was.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
It was fun though I was this is not a song.
Any of their songs, uh, are notsongs that I.
I probably have them on a 80splaylist of some sort or
whatever, but don't frequentlylisten to them, and it was very
fun knowing that it was comingup on the show to hear.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
And I believe they played three or four Mil
Huvanoli songs throughout theseries.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Oh did they?
Yeah, probably to bring youback to that time, yeah right,
well, and, and it's uh, it waspart of the scandalous pop
culture at that time too.
Right that right, so it's I'msure I'm sure the producers
cackled a little bit when theysaid what can we play?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
millie vanillian, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely I'll
make sure to send the producersa link to the show.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
So they can care about it.
That Menendez thing wasn'tgoing anywhere until it appeared
on the Quadcast.
Right Now it's going to be thenumber one, right through the
ceiling.
The folks at Netflix, you cansend the check to William
Garrett, all right?
So we've talked a lot about it.
Let's listen to, because, girl,you Do Know it's True, this is

(56:01):
Milli Vanilli, and Blame it Onthe Rain.
Yeah, yeah, mike.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
You are up next and the next song is anything but
what the Band Name Is.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Nice, very nice.
That's off the top of the head.
No, that's improv, babe.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Improv, yes, but Next song is by the band.
Garbage.
I believe you may or may notknow a member of the band.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I have bumped into a person changing a flat tire one
time believe you introduced meto him last year that so this is
our dear friends.
Garbage the song is.
I'm only happy when it rainsand we'll take a little bit
before we get into the song,talk about garbage lineage and
why it is important to Joey'ssong and the quad cast.

(57:23):
So Three or four time Grammywinner I lose track and they're
not my Grammys.
Butch Vig, who, if you don'tknow his name, you know the
music he's been involved withNirvana's, nevermind and
Smashing Pumpkins, mind andsmashing pumpkin, siamese dream
and foo fighters, greatest hits,record tracks and green day and

(57:46):
sonic youth and lots of otherbands besides his own band,
garbage.
Uh, bv has been uh, behind,either writing the songs,
playing the drums or behind themix.
Oh, silver sun pickups.
Oh, my forgetting silver sunpickups.
Of course he did.
Portugal, the man first was onSoundtrackWork.
Just go to BV's Wikipedia pageand let your jaw drop of

(58:10):
everybody amazing that he'sproduced.
He's got a Grammy for producinga Paul McCartney record.
He's produced our pal WayneNewton, so you name it.
Bv's been a part of it.
Butch and I were both kickingaround the Madison Wisconsin
music scene in the early to mid80's.
He was having success in hisband Spooner, and I was just

(58:32):
trying to get through collegeand you were a fill back for the
Badgers, yeah, and I wasn'tsuccessful at any of that stuff.
But Butch and I were friends,along with Duke Erickson who was
the lead singer.
So Butch was in a band calledSpooner, which was the big
Madison college band andeverybody was even money that
that was the band that was goingto break big.

(58:54):
And Duke was the singer in theband believe it or not, even
though he doesn't sing withGarbage.
So we kicked around the samecircles back in the 80s and then
I went off to go to DePaul forgrad school and Butch went on to
win Grammy Awards and MTV MoonMen and I did not go on to do
either one of those two things.

(59:16):
And so when we were puttingtogether Joey's song, one of the
records that Butch produced wasFreedy Johnston's this Cruel
Something, cruel World.
Sorry I'm having a stage frighthere, but it had Bad Reputation
which won him the Rolling StoneSongwriter of the Year in 92.
And Freedy was living inMadison at the time and he had

(59:39):
helped me with the first coupleof Joey's song records.
Garbage came through town doinga double bill at the local
minor league baseball thing,warner Park here with Flaming
Lips.
So Freedy and I went, butch andI got reconnected and he made
the incredibly stupid mistake ofsaying well, what can I do to
help with your charity?

(59:59):
And from then on his life hasbeen mine, and so we've
literally ever since that nightButch has been my right-hand man
with Joey Song and helps with abazillion things that we can
get into at some future JoeySong focused quadcast.
But Butch has his own band andthey have been around 20 plus

(01:00:23):
years and their fan base isastonishingly loyal.
The people that are Garbage fansand Shirley Manson fans are
insane and I mean that in a goodway, right, having just gotten
done going off on a Beatles jagwith you.
I have no problem with peoplethat are insane about music, but

(01:00:45):
Garbage came out in the 90s andit was really groundbreaking
stuff because it was kind oftechno, kind of punk, kind of
industrial, with some of thatkind of almost emo pathos on top
of it, and there's no song.
There's no song that representsthat more than the song that

(01:01:08):
we're talking about here today.
I'm only happy when it rains.
If you don't know Garbage, it'sprobably the one Garbage song
that you know, because there'sstill a good chance as you're
picking out your bananas andrutabagas at the grocery store,
that it might play over thesound system up there and it's
kind of a grungy, emo-y kind ofthing.

(01:01:31):
You know the feelings.
It's got real emotionalintensity.
So the idea is, and maybe inJanuary, william, when BB comes
through town, we can ask him.
William, when BB comes throughtown, we can ask him.
I'm not sure if it's parody ornot, because you could argue
that it might be kind of makingfun of the angst that dominated
the 90s, right, that kind ofstuff with the.

(01:01:58):
You know, I'm only happy whenit rains, I'm only happy when
it's complicated.
And you know, pour your miserydown on me and all of these
things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Make a note of that, William, in our book.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Ask Butch whether it's parody or meant, because I
can argue it both ways andeither way the song works.
You know it.
Just everything about it works.
It's got that the edge.
I mean Duke and Steve's guitaron it is great and BV's drumming
is always great.
But, as with most garbagethings, shirley's ability to

(01:02:27):
emote, shirley's ability to beboth snarky and vulnerable at
the same time, both hard andsoft at the same time, be on
edge but also be lovable at thesame time and if you've ever met
Shirley, you know she's all ofthose things when you meet her
as well.
She's, she's a marvelous, amarvelous, complicated artist

(01:02:48):
and again, I mean that in in allthe best way, um and so.
And they went on to produceother you know songs queer and
stupid girl and they did a bondtheme, um, which has to be right
up there on the uh, thechecklist of things you want to
do in your career is to do aBond theme.
But they did a Bond theme aswell and it's just obviously

(01:03:10):
they're near and dear to myheart because of what they do
for Joey Song.
They were from Madison, right?
Butch and Steve Marker are thetwo that started Smart Studios
to do a quick side lesson and Irecommend highly that you go
find the Smart Studio story onNetflix or any place.
It's about a 90-minutedocumentary that was done by our

(01:03:32):
friend here in Madison andWendy Schneider and it
interviews a lot of the folksthat were involved in those days
.
I believe Grohl is in it, Iknow corgan's in it, lots of
those bands.
Oh, he produced soul asylum too.
I can't even believe, as I'mnaming all the bands that bv's
produced, that we didn't mentionsoul asylum and uh, misery, um,

(01:03:55):
and it talks a lot about thatand you can really understand it
.
But you know that was all herein good old Madison, wisconsin.
The building is still theretoday and it all came out of.
He's called the godfather ofgrunge and it's hard to argue
with that, and those guys wereall Marker wasn't in.
Spooner with ended up even in adumpier place than where they

(01:04:17):
ended up and all this amazing,amazing music came out of it.
So I don't know.
I know you're not, that's notyour genre.
How would you categorize a bandlike Garbage William If
somebody said put him in acategory.
I've never heard him before.

(01:04:38):
What do they sound like?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
never heard them before.
What do they sound like?
Uh, I would say a 90s band,which would make it in the
grunge family.
Yeah, yeah, the category.
If I had to pick one yeah um,yeah, I probably would say that
I don't know.
Yeah, I will say this and youcan shoot this down or not.
I did have the opportunity tomeet Butch last year for a good

(01:05:09):
two, three minutes.
I spoke to him.
I have the gift so I can tellwithin that period of time
whether I like someone or not.
I found him to be incrediblyhumble.
Oh yeah, I found him to beincredibly humble.
Oh yeah, and just like, justlike, a real like could have
been a guy just standing out onthe street that you run in and

(01:05:30):
talk to.
Yeah, and then I'm not evenreally sure the exact moment I
met him.
If I knew who he was, yeah, youinterviewed, he wouldn't tell
you if you came up and I surewouldn't.
I had.
No, I had no idea.
I'm like, oh my God, you're thegodfather is a great TV.
Yeah, yeah, I'm saying thegodfather.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I always, when people ask me, I just say he's a kid
from Verocco, wisconsin.
Yeah, with a gift that all ofus would kill for, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And he doesn't act like for one second, like
there's any, he doesn't big timeyou at all?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
yeah, none of that.
No, and I gotta be honest withyou and if you're listening to
this bv, I wish you would bigtime me a little bit, because
I'd like him to use it to bringsome more artists to joey song.
He's like oh they're not gonnacare what I have to say oh yeah,
they might, yeah, they mightyou kind of want a grammy with
paul mccney, so I think youmight have a little sway in the
business, bebe A little bit more.
Yeah, yeah, it's interestingbecause, like I said in my

(01:06:30):
little preamble, there there's alittle bit of techno.
In there there's a little bitof industrial.
You can hear a little ministryin some of those guitars.
But Shirley doesn't sound likeany of those other 90s singers.
She doesn't sound like courtneylove.
She doesn't sound like um ninaand louise from veruca salt.

(01:06:51):
She's got her own.
Uh, that's.
That's the very distinctivepart for me of garbage yeah, I
would agree with that and I do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I actually struggle a little bit with certain bands
as far as putting them in just aspecific category per se, as
like they're unique kind of yeah, I don't know something about
them that they're not.
They don't remind me at all oflike pearl jam or no nirvana or
anything like that grungy but'sthe one.

(01:07:24):
I guess it's probably becauseof when they started, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Why go back?
Well, and it's another example,I think too we were talking
about it in the first segment ofthe show you know Smokey being
able to take dark things andmaking them Right show.
You know Smokey being able totake dark things and making them
Garbage.
Garbage can be emo without theemo, right, if you think about

(01:07:52):
it.
But there's no shoegazinginvolved in it, there's no gothy
.
You know, standing in thecorner banging your head against
the wall kind of side to it.
You know, standing in thecorner banging your head against
the wall kind of side to it,and that's I think I started
this by saying they have one ofthe most ravenous fan bases I

(01:08:13):
have ever seen in rock, and Ithink that's why, because to
that certain audience that likessome of that angst, but without
the, the drudgery, the yougery,the kind of Dickensian death
march side of it that can comewith emo and some of that, and I
think that's the real magic.
I think it's the magic lyrically.

(01:08:33):
I think it's the magic thatthey have.
And again, just the title ofthe darn song I'm only happy
when it rains, right, I meanthat in those words mixes both
of that together.
I'm only happy when it's really, you know, it's perfect, it's
just everything about it,everything about it, is perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I guess it'll be interesting to hear and this is
an invitation to we're expectingprobably about four million
listeners to this podcast thisweek, probably about 4 million
listeners to this podcast thisweek.
I'd like to personally inviteall of you to the upcoming
Joey's Song concerts in January,which we'll be talking a little
bit more about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And you can let us know how you feel about what
kind of genre they remind you of.
Yeah, I think that's a greatidea and again, we'll put it
down on our.
When we go have a cocktail withButch, ask him how he would
classify their music.
And I think and now I'm goingto do a little bit of Joey's
song in this, because what youhinted at there, william, I
think is part of the magic ofthe benefit, and why we've been

(01:09:37):
so fortunate with people comingback is because people then get
out of their comfort zone andplay songs that they don't
normally play.
For those of you that this isyour first time listening to the
Quadcast, or your firstintroduction to Joey's song,
it's a charity event that we puton every year to raise money
for epilepsy research, and Butchis kind of my musical director
in part of that, and we have allthese guests.

(01:09:59):
This year it's 2024 as we'rerecording this, because, who
knows, william, people might belistening to this 10 years from
now.
I'm sure, right, I'm sure verymuch like the beatles being a
touchstone, ours will be apodcasting touchstone, um, and
so this year we've got membersfrom the bangles and the gogos
and the goo goo dolls and totoand fountains of wayne and lots

(01:10:21):
of other port the man and SilverSun, pickups and Laura Jane
Grace, and they all playconcerts during the week but
then on Saturday we get togetherand it's just a big all-star
jam of covers and Beatles songsand ACDC and T-Rex and all of
these amazing stuff and I thinkin the end, no matter where

(01:10:45):
everybody's classified with themusic they make for a profession
, it all comes back to.
You know, gaddad and threechords and a chorus about making
out in the backseat with EllieMae.
You know, I mean, that's whatthey all like to do.
And I want to say grunge, butnot in the 90s style of grunge,

(01:11:06):
but grunge kind of in the grittyor maybe gritty is a better way
to say it the grittier it is.
As we're taping this, I'm in themiddle of email threads between
all the artists figuring outsongs and the one way for
anybody to get a hell yeah, sayhey, we should do Slade, you
know, you're, you know, or thatkind of the.

(01:11:28):
The the grittier, the better.
And I think that's because somuch of what they do on a daily
basis is slick and prepared andall this.
And here's here's their chanceto play xylophone on a Slade
song or something Right so sojoeysongorg.
Depending on when you listen tothis, if you're listening to it
after January 11th of 2025, weprobably already have the dates

(01:11:51):
up for the next one, so even gothere anyway.
I appreciate my pal Williampointing it out and that's why
we finished up with Butch andGarbage because Butch and Duke
are a big part of what we do andare a big's why we finished up
with butch and garbage becausebutch and duke are a big part of
what we do and our big reasonwhy we're successful and this is
something you do not want tomiss.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
it is the I'm not saying this just because I'm
have the uh privilege of beingriding shotgun on, but it is the
musical events of your lifetime, for sure the year, but
probably of your lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
It is pretty fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I've been to a lot of musical events that would be of
the lifetime variety, and I'mnot sure I can come up with
anything that tops my experiencefrom the 2024 Joey song.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
It is a lot of fun.
I will not do any false modestyon this one.
We have stumbled into quite afun format fun format.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
That's the thing about it.
It's just fun with a capital ph.
That's a t-shirt, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Joy song is p-h-u-n fun I thought we're gonna go
into now.
If you're gonna going to gothrough a hole, we'll now use
the number four instead of quadcast, like Prince would do, and
all that other stuff.
Right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Or like we used to give high fours when we went to
Lambeau Field to watch ourquarterback, brett Favre high
fours.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
I thought the fours were for the Super Bowls.
Oh, anyway, anywho.
Anyway, with that William, it'sbeen another great quadcast.
I can't wait for our weekendretreat production meeting,
where we figure out the nexttopic.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I am looking forward to it as well.
Reminder, check out the Spotifywhich will be on the Quadcast
Facebook page, and we'll also beputting up any updates to the
upcoming Joey's Song event.
You can see about there.
You can go to.
Joysongorg is another place youcan go to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
And we are at Joey's Song on all the various,
everything but X, because wedon't support fascism.
So there's my one politicalcomment for the day, but
otherwise at Joey's Songeverywhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
And as far as the tickets, we're not quite yet in
the zone of.
We're worried about selling out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
But maybe by the time this hits the airwaves we could
be so you should really startthinking about it now.
Yeah, that's a good point.
We have sold out the last fouryears and last year tickets were
gone by mid-december so yourthings got dicey if you waited
to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to bring that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Good point.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
But we will be hammering that before we get
super, super close.
But if you're a longtimelistener, first-time caller to
the call, and you've heard ustalk about this a couple times
and you're like you know whatI'm interested in, that you
should go take a look now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah, take a flyer.
Your heart will feel good fromhelping out and your feet will
feel good from dancing.
I can't attest to how yourliver will feel or your brain
will feel the next day, becauseit is Wisconsin after all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
There is that, but I'm a survivor.
I have a sticker to prove itthat I survived my first Joey
song.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
You do, you do, and you were sort of upright at the
end of it.
You were tilting a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Pretty good yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, that was good.
All right, everybody.
Thank you for listening to theQuadcast.
Stick around.
Another one will be coming upsoon and God only knows what the
topic will be.
There you go Right.
And if you are following us onFacebook, the Instagram or any
of those other stuff, if you'vegot suggestions for topics of a
topic where there'll be fourinteresting songs, shoot us an

(01:15:48):
email or do comment on thesocials and we'll do our best to
put it in there.
Sounds good?
All right, william, take careof yourself.
I will see you soon, all right?
All right, bye everybody.
Bye everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I'm only happy when it rains.
I'm only happy when it'scomplicated.
I know I know you can'tappreciate it.
I'm only happy when it rains.
You know I love it when themusic's bad.
Why it feels so good to feel sosad.

(01:16:24):
I'm only happy when it rains.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Well, there you have it, another episode of the Joey
Song Podcast.
Thanks so much for listening.
Remember you can find out aboutall of our upcoming events and
all the work that we do atjoeysongorg.
You can also follow us on allsocial media.
Our handles on all of them areat joeysong.
If you'd like to help us out,you can help spread the word
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(01:17:01):
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All of that stuff helps ourpodcast bubble up the charts and
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(01:17:22):
Thanks again for listening.
We'll see you at the show.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
© transcript Emily Beynon.