December 1, 2025 • 16 mins
The green dream is a myth when the grid can’t even keep the lights on. Politicians keep promising a fossil-free future, but without infrastructure, everyday families are left with blackouts, skyrocketing bills, and EVs they can’t afford to charge. As David and Stuart argue, the push for “100% green” ignores the mining, foreign dependence, and trillions in costs required to make it happen. Until leaders invest in real solutions—like nuclear or serious grid expansion—the chant of “drill, baby, drill” may be the only reality check we’ve got.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
I hope you guys don't miss the music too much.
We're having a technicaldifficulty today.
So we'll go music free.
But what we're not gonna go freeof is of oil, energy.
Let's get real, people.
We've been, you know, it's beenpushed and shoved on our throats
for years.
We need to be green.
(00:23):
A wonderful initiative, and it'sa great initiative, but we're so
entrenched in oil.
We're so entrenched in what wehave right now that to go from
what we have to where we need togo is gonna take a lot longer
than what all these politicianson the left believe and have
promised.
Because what they've beentelling you all along is we need
(00:44):
to go and think about it.
We need to sell only EV cars by,and we need to have buy and we
need to have buy.
But nobody talked aboutinfrastructure and nobody wants
to put the money forward to makeit happen.
So now all of a sudden we're inthe end of 2025.
Yes, 2026 is a month away, andwe're not really that much
further ahead than we were whenObama was there.
(01:05):
Yeah, there are more electriccars on the road.
Yeah, there are more, there'smore, there are more charging
stations.
But let's get real.
America, Canada, Europe, wecan't afford it yet.
Even if we bring into Chinesecars, we can't afford it yet
because we don't have theinfrastructure in place.
So sadly, people, we need oil.
(01:27):
And today we're gonna talk aboutthat.
Welcome back to the RantNetwork.
I'm David Solomon here, StuartBrisgel.
Every Monday, Wednesday, Friday,noon Eastern.
What we love to do is to rantabout the topics that, yep,
they're in our face and that themedia just wants to distort to
such an extent to make you wantto be part of their groupies.
What we do here, simply put,politics, culture, society, the
(01:49):
norms, you name it, we talkabout it.
Sit back, folks.
We'd love to hear from you.
So send us your comments aboutwhat we're talking about here.
But today, the conversation isabout energy.
Now, look, there's one gentlemanwho likes to listen to us and
likes to criticize us on aregular basis.
Good egg.
But here's the thing (02:06):
even he will admit, and he's a guy who
does been doing alternativeenergies for decades.
We're not ready.
There's a political will to makeit happen.
The infrastructure is not there.
And the reality is thatpoliticians have been playing up
the need to do it, but don't dowhat's necessary.
See Justin Trudeau, see allthese others who signed all the
(02:30):
Paris Accords and the TokyoAccords and all these other
accords.
How many of them really, reallydid what they promised that they
would do?
All they kept doing is push itdown the road, blame the right,
claim it's not possible, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, for
political gain because that isthen their base.
(02:50):
Well, Stuart, last week, littlefucker Prime Minister Kearney
signed a deal with Alberta torun a pipeline from Alberta to
BC.
There's a whole conversationabout the indigenous population,
British Columbia, not important,but here's a liberal government
and prime minister who said weneed the energy.
We can no longer do what we'vedone for 10 years.
(03:13):
Basically, he reversed whatTrudeau has been lying about for
10 fucking years.
And little fucker Kearney isactually saying we can't
continue this way.
Lo and behold, I have to agreewith Kearney, which is really
rare.
But I also have to agree withDonald Trump.
(03:34):
Instead of trying to push acircle through a square, it's
drill, baby, drill.
Because until we get everythingelse, Stuart, in line, that's
what we're dependent on.
Stuart, in the US, I know thereare people are freaking out over
this, but I think it's time todrill, baby, drill.
SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
All right.
So the myth of imminent green,right?
For years you've been told, asDavid said, a hundred percent
green future where there is nofossil fuels.
Not only is that not possible,it's not an inevitability.
Wind, solar will replaceeverything.
(04:13):
EVs will dominate the road.
Fossil fuels are outdated.
David, this is the slogans ofthese fringe organizations.
And by the way, that so-calledeveryday listener of our
podcast, who's a green guy, Iown more green cars than he
does, right?
And I think I'm up to uh four uhat one time, which I think is
(04:37):
probably more than it.
But the technology required fora full green conversation
doesn't exist on a nationalscale, whether you're in France,
Canada, or the US or anywhereabroad.
The scale of technology and theinfrastructure is not there.
(04:57):
The economics just don't work.
Wind and solar aren't available24-7.
The grid can't store the powerbecause now we're into battery
capacity with limitedtransmission because and
overloading lines, which againare fire hazards or minerals
that we need to create thesedevices, are controlled by
(05:20):
hostile enemy nations, right?
But the biggest myth is goingfully green requires more
mining, more land usage, moreenvironmental damage, and more
foreign dependence on energythan we already have.
That's the truth for anyenvironmental activist because
(05:45):
they fail to mention thesefacts, you know.
Grid check, right?
Imagine adding 250 millionelectric vehicles, electric heat
for every home, electric stovesin every kitchen, 100% solar and
wind supply, millions of newcharging stations, and the total
(06:07):
elimination of natural gas andoil.
We would need to double ortriple the electrical generation
capacity that would cost I don'tknow, 40, 50 trillion dollars.
And the punchline is we don'thave enough main transmission
(06:27):
lines, enough transformers, orgrid scale batteries to support
a fraction of that.
Okay, but it doesn't end there,David.
The grid advocates they rarelyspeak about what the transition
will actually cost everydaypeople.
Like again, I'm more US centric,so let's just talk about it.
(06:51):
EV subsidies have gone likewhat, tens of billions, charging
infrastructure, trillions, gridexpansion trillions, solar wind
replacement has uh a lifespan of20 years, hundreds of billions
there, battery disposal, rareearth elements, and massive land
(07:15):
use.
Like the average family can'tafford a$60,000 EV because
without all of these subsidies,that's what that$35,000 car
costs.
That beats out the Toyota Caray,right?
So the green energy isn't realwhen vehicles require lithium,
(07:36):
cobalt, graphite, nickel, andrare elements, right?
Where do these come from, David?
They come from dominantly China,the the Democratic Republic of
Congo, go laugh, the worddemocratic in Congo, and other
nations with horrific laborpractices, right?
(07:58):
Where are solar panels made,primarily manufactured by
coal-powered plants in Asia,right?
Where are wind turbines, right?
They use steel and fiberglass,intensive process to make.
How about the batteries?
Water chemicals, refining isentirely done overseas.
(08:20):
And what about the US would haveto strip mine thousands of
square miles of current energysystems?
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Look, Stuart, Stuart, uh, okay, you you got
it.
You got it.
And you're making it makes aheck of a whole lot of sense
what you're saying right now,Stu.
But here's the thing, and andlet's let's talk about the
reality.
And we've talked about this onprevious episodes.
California experiences how manybrownouts and blackouts?
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
We haven't gotten there yet.
We haven't even charged thatyet.
But I'm just saying right now,hold on, billions of dollars.
Add that the billions of dollarsfor seven charging stations that
the Obama administration paidfor.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
So the point I was trying to get at was the current
infrastructure in California,which is supposed to be the
leader in this whole greenenvironment, can't hold it on
what is what it's currentlydoing.
Now, even if you were to bringin the cheapest EV cars from
China, and by the way, I was inone in Mexico, really cool, not
so expensive.
But the reality is there are inin Mexico, which does have oil
(09:25):
and what have you, um, even theystruggle because we when I was
there in their facility, we hada brownout, and it was like we
had a brownout.
So I'm like, okay, so how's yourcar doing?
We hope it charges.
So all this to say is that it'sit's just there's no plan.
And in 2021, when I was workingon the election campaign here in
(09:47):
Canada, it came up, the came upwith the candidates.
It's all beautiful that you wantto have by 2030 these wonderful
initiatives.
But where's the plan to make ithappen?
Where is the infrastructure toput it together?
Now, Quebec, we are a netexporter of energy.
Okay, we do we we light up halfof if not all of New England at
(10:09):
this point, and we have theenergy, and yet in my
neighborhood, in myneighborhood, Stuart, we had
these crazy blackouts.
Now, my neighborhood has a hellof a lot of EVs, okay.
A lot of Teslas, a lot ofHyundai, a lot of EVs.
And we're thinking, if everybodyor every second house or two
(10:31):
every three homes had an EV,what would that do to the grid
in this neighborhood?
And political will, there's morein these, and and we're a
public, it's a publicorganization, not like private,
uh like what you got in a lot ofthe US.
But here, Hydro Quebec had nointerest in this capital
(10:52):
investment because it would havehurt their profits.
Like, hello, this is where we'resupposed to be going, and they
do invest in alternative energyinvest investments, they do
invest in and in research, andthey do all these kinds of
things, but to then put intoplace additional support for the
electrical grid.
No, thank you.
(11:12):
Ah, Dave, listen.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
Hang on, let's put things in perspective because
you you're just touching onsomething I gotta get at.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Of course you do.
SPEAKER_00 (11:21):
People actually don't understand what full green
actually means.
Let me just layer that in this,but let you continue.
That would mean home temperaturerestriction, limited driving,
mandatory EVs, no gas stoves, nogas water heaters, no gas backup
generators, no diesel trucks, noair travel expansion, land use
(11:42):
restriction, mandatoryrecycling, and higher monthly
electric costs that are thehypocrisy of the whole project.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Okay, but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, but but but
the last the last statement youmade, and here's where I've had
this conversation with some ofthe politics and whatever.
Yes, your electrical bill willgo up.
But when they said how muchversus a gallon of gas or how
much you're spending on your gascurrently, you know, there were
a lot of conversations ofwhether or not there is a
savings or not.
(12:12):
And uh depends on how many milesyou're gonna do and a lot of
other things.
But the what's Dort, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
When I was in college and I was in Ottawa, you
know, we had the cold weather.
The cold weather ran an electricheating bill to$890 a month
compared to my neighbor who hadgas of$147.
SPEAKER_01 (12:40):
Yeah, no, but Stuart, those, but but that that
that you no, no, no, yourcomparison is now dead because I
do have electric electricity inmy house, and my parents have
gas.
Yes, I do have electricity.
I've had I've had two electricfurnaces in my house since I
bought the house, and my fatherhas gas.
And for years we've beencomparing the bill, and now your
argument is dead.
It it's no longer it's gas isnow far more expensive to heat a
(13:04):
home here in Quebec.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Why is gas so much more expensive?
Because gas is artificially inCanada.
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
So we're we're getting killed because of taxes.
Let's just call it what it is.
The Quebec government,especially, and you look at BC,
it's taxed the hell out of it.
We had the carbon tax, we hadall these other taxes.
We're getting killed here ontaxes.
Look, I'll give you folks anidea.
Right now, a gallon of gas hereis running you.
(13:33):
Um sorry, not a gallon of uhyeah, yeah, a gallon of gas here
Canadian is approximately sixdollars Canadian, which is
approximately 475 US.
That's approximately what you'reyou're getting right now.
450, 475 US in ballpark, right?
But if I go to into Ontario,Stuart, right?
(13:53):
The gallon, a gallon of gasthere is around 525.
So there's like a hugedifference.
Like you're talking about yeah,no, no.
You're not understanding.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
I did the breakdown for natural gas.
So you actually have, and yougot to break it down economics,
right?
You have the gas commodity cost,then you have the delivery,
transportation, storage,surcharges, then you've got the
fixed charges, then you've gotthe government levy carbon fuel
taxes, and then finally you havethe provincial taxes that layer
(14:30):
on top of that.
So again, we're where gas in theUnited States, depending on what
states you're in, that doesn'thave these taxes, like Florida,
where the gas tax is is thelowest, the but we have the
highest transportation taxbecause of where we're located.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Okay, but but think of California, where they've
layered layered taxes.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
But that's layered tax, correct.
Okay, California is, and that'swhy they have the brownouts and
the fires and all that crazystuff.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Stuart, but the point of the point I'm trying to
say here isn't where we wentinto the economics of it, and
the whole thing is that therethe the the politicians are
playing both sides.
You can't you tax the hell outof people saying, you know,
we're gonna tax you becauseyou're you're using gas and
we're gonna tax you.
It's a punishment.
This is what we've been toldhere, and it's what you're told
in Europe, too.
If you're gonna use a gas car,we're gonna punish you by
(15:23):
raising your taxes.
But what we're not going to dois just give you a break on the
EV.
We're not gonna put aninfrastructure in place for the
EVs, we're not gonna putinfrastructure in place for
green energy, and so as aresult, you're being punished
twice.
SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
Well, I I I I I'm gonna, David, we're gonna have
to wrap it up, but I want toleave our green friends with
this note.
What is the the the nuke mythand why nuclear is really the
green solution?
And I'm gonna flip them all outzero emissions, high outpit,
24-7, safe and modern designs,scalable, efficient, and it's
(16:03):
made in America or Canada.
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
So, David, I'll leave you with that because it's
it's it's I appreciate whatyou're saying, but to me, the
again, it's aboutinfrastructure.
Who is gonna have the politicalcojones to go and invest in
something that's gonna takeyears?
Where they're gonna get nopolitical gain out of it.
Voila, therein lies the problem.
Unless you're a congresspersonand you're like Nancy Pelosi and
(16:28):
you're there for 80,000 years.
On that lovely note, ladies andgentlemen, we're gonna wish you
a wonderful rest of the week.
We'll be back here on wetnessday.
Have yourself a wonderful time.
And if you're really thinkinggreen right now, okay, have fun
with it.
But right now, it ain't gettinggreener in any time soon.
Have yourself a great week,everybody.
Cheers.
I hope you guys don't miss the music too much.
We're having a technicaldifficulty today.
So we'll go music free.
But what we're not gonna go freeof is of oil, energy.
Let's get real, people.
We've been, you know, it's beenpushed and shoved on our throats
for years.
We need to be green.
(00:23):
A wonderful initiative, and it'sa great initiative, but we're so
entrenched in oil.
We're so entrenched in what wehave right now that to go from
what we have to where we need togo is gonna take a lot longer
than what all these politicianson the left believe and have
promised.
Because what they've beentelling you all along is we need
(00:44):
to go and think about it.
We need to sell only EV cars by,and we need to have buy and we
need to have buy.
But nobody talked aboutinfrastructure and nobody wants
to put the money forward to makeit happen.
So now all of a sudden we're inthe end of 2025.
Yes, 2026 is a month away, andwe're not really that much
further ahead than we were whenObama was there.
(01:05):
Yeah, there are more electriccars on the road.
Yeah, there are more, there'smore, there are more charging
stations.
But let's get real.
America, Canada, Europe, wecan't afford it yet.
Even if we bring into Chinesecars, we can't afford it yet
because we don't have theinfrastructure in place.
So sadly, people, we need oil.
(01:27):
And today we're gonna talk aboutthat.
Welcome back to the RantNetwork.
I'm David Solomon here, StuartBrisgel.
Every Monday, Wednesday, Friday,noon Eastern.
What we love to do is to rantabout the topics that, yep,
they're in our face and that themedia just wants to distort to
such an extent to make you wantto be part of their groupies.
What we do here, simply put,politics, culture, society, the
(01:49):
norms, you name it, we talkabout it.
Sit back, folks.
We'd love to hear from you.
So send us your comments aboutwhat we're talking about here.
But today, the conversation isabout energy.
Now, look, there's one gentlemanwho likes to listen to us and
likes to criticize us on aregular basis.
Good egg.
But here's the thing (02:06):
even he will admit, and he's a guy who
does been doing alternativeenergies for decades.
We're not ready.
There's a political will to makeit happen.
The infrastructure is not there.
And the reality is thatpoliticians have been playing up
the need to do it, but don't dowhat's necessary.
See Justin Trudeau, see allthese others who signed all the
(02:30):
Paris Accords and the TokyoAccords and all these other
accords.
How many of them really, reallydid what they promised that they
would do?
All they kept doing is push itdown the road, blame the right,
claim it's not possible, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, for
political gain because that isthen their base.
(02:50):
Well, Stuart, last week, littlefucker Prime Minister Kearney
signed a deal with Alberta torun a pipeline from Alberta to
BC.
There's a whole conversationabout the indigenous population,
British Columbia, not important,but here's a liberal government
and prime minister who said weneed the energy.
We can no longer do what we'vedone for 10 years.
(03:13):
Basically, he reversed whatTrudeau has been lying about for
10 fucking years.
And little fucker Kearney isactually saying we can't
continue this way.
Lo and behold, I have to agreewith Kearney, which is really
rare.
But I also have to agree withDonald Trump.
(03:34):
Instead of trying to push acircle through a square, it's
drill, baby, drill.
Because until we get everythingelse, Stuart, in line, that's
what we're dependent on.
Stuart, in the US, I know thereare people are freaking out over
this, but I think it's time todrill, baby, drill.
SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
All right.
So the myth of imminent green,right?
For years you've been told, asDavid said, a hundred percent
green future where there is nofossil fuels.
Not only is that not possible,it's not an inevitability.
Wind, solar will replaceeverything.
(04:13):
EVs will dominate the road.
Fossil fuels are outdated.
David, this is the slogans ofthese fringe organizations.
And by the way, that so-calledeveryday listener of our
podcast, who's a green guy, Iown more green cars than he
does, right?
And I think I'm up to uh four uhat one time, which I think is
(04:37):
probably more than it.
But the technology required fora full green conversation
doesn't exist on a nationalscale, whether you're in France,
Canada, or the US or anywhereabroad.
The scale of technology and theinfrastructure is not there.
(04:57):
The economics just don't work.
Wind and solar aren't available24-7.
The grid can't store the powerbecause now we're into battery
capacity with limitedtransmission because and
overloading lines, which againare fire hazards or minerals
that we need to create thesedevices, are controlled by
(05:20):
hostile enemy nations, right?
But the biggest myth is goingfully green requires more
mining, more land usage, moreenvironmental damage, and more
foreign dependence on energythan we already have.
That's the truth for anyenvironmental activist because
(05:45):
they fail to mention thesefacts, you know.
Grid check, right?
Imagine adding 250 millionelectric vehicles, electric heat
for every home, electric stovesin every kitchen, 100% solar and
wind supply, millions of newcharging stations, and the total
(06:07):
elimination of natural gas andoil.
We would need to double ortriple the electrical generation
capacity that would cost I don'tknow, 40, 50 trillion dollars.
And the punchline is we don'thave enough main transmission
(06:27):
lines, enough transformers, orgrid scale batteries to support
a fraction of that.
Okay, but it doesn't end there,David.
The grid advocates they rarelyspeak about what the transition
will actually cost everydaypeople.
Like again, I'm more US centric,so let's just talk about it.
(06:51):
EV subsidies have gone likewhat, tens of billions, charging
infrastructure, trillions, gridexpansion trillions, solar wind
replacement has uh a lifespan of20 years, hundreds of billions
there, battery disposal, rareearth elements, and massive land
(07:15):
use.
Like the average family can'tafford a$60,000 EV because
without all of these subsidies,that's what that$35,000 car
costs.
That beats out the Toyota Caray,right?
So the green energy isn't realwhen vehicles require lithium,
(07:36):
cobalt, graphite, nickel, andrare elements, right?
Where do these come from, David?
They come from dominantly China,the the Democratic Republic of
Congo, go laugh, the worddemocratic in Congo, and other
nations with horrific laborpractices, right?
(07:58):
Where are solar panels made,primarily manufactured by
coal-powered plants in Asia,right?
Where are wind turbines, right?
They use steel and fiberglass,intensive process to make.
How about the batteries?
Water chemicals, refining isentirely done overseas.
(08:20):
And what about the US would haveto strip mine thousands of
square miles of current energysystems?
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Look, Stuart, Stuart, uh, okay, you you got
it.
You got it.
And you're making it makes aheck of a whole lot of sense
what you're saying right now,Stu.
But here's the thing, and andlet's let's talk about the
reality.
And we've talked about this onprevious episodes.
California experiences how manybrownouts and blackouts?
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
We haven't gotten there yet.
We haven't even charged thatyet.
But I'm just saying right now,hold on, billions of dollars.
Add that the billions of dollarsfor seven charging stations that
the Obama administration paidfor.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
So the point I was trying to get at was the current
infrastructure in California,which is supposed to be the
leader in this whole greenenvironment, can't hold it on
what is what it's currentlydoing.
Now, even if you were to bringin the cheapest EV cars from
China, and by the way, I was inone in Mexico, really cool, not
so expensive.
But the reality is there are inin Mexico, which does have oil
(09:25):
and what have you, um, even theystruggle because we when I was
there in their facility, we hada brownout, and it was like we
had a brownout.
So I'm like, okay, so how's yourcar doing?
We hope it charges.
So all this to say is that it'sit's just there's no plan.
And in 2021, when I was workingon the election campaign here in
(09:47):
Canada, it came up, the came upwith the candidates.
It's all beautiful that you wantto have by 2030 these wonderful
initiatives.
But where's the plan to make ithappen?
Where is the infrastructure toput it together?
Now, Quebec, we are a netexporter of energy.
Okay, we do we we light up halfof if not all of New England at
(10:09):
this point, and we have theenergy, and yet in my
neighborhood, in myneighborhood, Stuart, we had
these crazy blackouts.
Now, my neighborhood has a hellof a lot of EVs, okay.
A lot of Teslas, a lot ofHyundai, a lot of EVs.
And we're thinking, if everybodyor every second house or two
(10:31):
every three homes had an EV,what would that do to the grid
in this neighborhood?
And political will, there's morein these, and and we're a
public, it's a publicorganization, not like private,
uh like what you got in a lot ofthe US.
But here, Hydro Quebec had nointerest in this capital
(10:52):
investment because it would havehurt their profits.
Like, hello, this is where we'resupposed to be going, and they
do invest in alternative energyinvest investments, they do
invest in and in research, andthey do all these kinds of
things, but to then put intoplace additional support for the
electrical grid.
No, thank you.
(11:12):
Ah, Dave, listen.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
Hang on, let's put things in perspective because
you you're just touching onsomething I gotta get at.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Of course you do.
SPEAKER_00 (11:21):
People actually don't understand what full green
actually means.
Let me just layer that in this,but let you continue.
That would mean home temperaturerestriction, limited driving,
mandatory EVs, no gas stoves, nogas water heaters, no gas backup
generators, no diesel trucks, noair travel expansion, land use
(11:42):
restriction, mandatoryrecycling, and higher monthly
electric costs that are thehypocrisy of the whole project.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Okay, but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, but but but
the last the last statement youmade, and here's where I've had
this conversation with some ofthe politics and whatever.
Yes, your electrical bill willgo up.
But when they said how muchversus a gallon of gas or how
much you're spending on your gascurrently, you know, there were
a lot of conversations ofwhether or not there is a
savings or not.
(12:12):
And uh depends on how many milesyou're gonna do and a lot of
other things.
But the what's Dort, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
When I was in college and I was in Ottawa, you
know, we had the cold weather.
The cold weather ran an electricheating bill to$890 a month
compared to my neighbor who hadgas of$147.
SPEAKER_01 (12:40):
Yeah, no, but Stuart, those, but but that that
that you no, no, no, yourcomparison is now dead because I
do have electric electricity inmy house, and my parents have
gas.
Yes, I do have electricity.
I've had I've had two electricfurnaces in my house since I
bought the house, and my fatherhas gas.
And for years we've beencomparing the bill, and now your
argument is dead.
It it's no longer it's gas isnow far more expensive to heat a
(13:04):
home here in Quebec.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Why is gas so much more expensive?
Because gas is artificially inCanada.
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
So we're we're getting killed because of taxes.
Let's just call it what it is.
The Quebec government,especially, and you look at BC,
it's taxed the hell out of it.
We had the carbon tax, we hadall these other taxes.
We're getting killed here ontaxes.
Look, I'll give you folks anidea.
Right now, a gallon of gas hereis running you.
(13:33):
Um sorry, not a gallon of uhyeah, yeah, a gallon of gas here
Canadian is approximately sixdollars Canadian, which is
approximately 475 US.
That's approximately what you'reyou're getting right now.
450, 475 US in ballpark, right?
But if I go to into Ontario,Stuart, right?
(13:53):
The gallon, a gallon of gasthere is around 525.
So there's like a hugedifference.
Like you're talking about yeah,no, no.
You're not understanding.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
I did the breakdown for natural gas.
So you actually have, and yougot to break it down economics,
right?
You have the gas commodity cost,then you have the delivery,
transportation, storage,surcharges, then you've got the
fixed charges, then you've gotthe government levy carbon fuel
taxes, and then finally you havethe provincial taxes that layer
(14:30):
on top of that.
So again, we're where gas in theUnited States, depending on what
states you're in, that doesn'thave these taxes, like Florida,
where the gas tax is is thelowest, the but we have the
highest transportation taxbecause of where we're located.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Okay, but but think of California, where they've
layered layered taxes.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
But that's layered tax, correct.
Okay, California is, and that'swhy they have the brownouts and
the fires and all that crazystuff.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Stuart, but the point of the point I'm trying to
say here isn't where we wentinto the economics of it, and
the whole thing is that therethe the the politicians are
playing both sides.
You can't you tax the hell outof people saying, you know,
we're gonna tax you becauseyou're you're using gas and
we're gonna tax you.
It's a punishment.
This is what we've been toldhere, and it's what you're told
in Europe, too.
If you're gonna use a gas car,we're gonna punish you by
(15:23):
raising your taxes.
But what we're not going to dois just give you a break on the
EV.
We're not gonna put aninfrastructure in place for the
EVs, we're not gonna putinfrastructure in place for
green energy, and so as aresult, you're being punished
twice.
SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
Well, I I I I I'm gonna, David, we're gonna have
to wrap it up, but I want toleave our green friends with
this note.
What is the the the nuke mythand why nuclear is really the
green solution?
And I'm gonna flip them all outzero emissions, high outpit,
24-7, safe and modern designs,scalable, efficient, and it's
(16:03):
made in America or Canada.
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
So, David, I'll leave you with that because it's
it's it's I appreciate whatyou're saying, but to me, the
again, it's aboutinfrastructure.
Who is gonna have the politicalcojones to go and invest in
something that's gonna takeyears?
Where they're gonna get nopolitical gain out of it.
Voila, therein lies the problem.
Unless you're a congresspersonand you're like Nancy Pelosi and
(16:28):
you're there for 80,000 years.
On that lovely note, ladies andgentlemen, we're gonna wish you
a wonderful rest of the week.
We'll be back here on wetnessday.
Have yourself a wonderful time.
And if you're really thinkinggreen right now, okay, have fun
with it.
But right now, it ain't gettinggreener in any time soon.
Have yourself a great week,everybody.
Cheers.
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