April 18, 2025 • 16 mins
Corporate America is embroiled in culture wars, with DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives at the forefront. Our podcast dives deeply into workplace diversity programs, exploring why major corporations face criticism as they maneuver through these contentious issues. From Trump's executive order favoring "merit-based opportunity" to the perspectives of diversity experts who champion excellence over demographic quotas, we examine whether current DEI efforts are fostering division instead of unity.
Are DEI initiatives evolving into systems that inadvertently discriminate, replacing one form of bias with another? Join us for thought-provoking conversations about the future of workplace equity, the complex balance between representation and excellence, and whether merit-based evaluation can coexist with inclusive recruitment.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Wow, you know, it's another beautiful day in the
neighborhood.
You ever heard that story?
It's a beautiful day.
It's a beautiful day.
It's a beautiful day in theneighborhood From the most
famous DEI puppets.
Yep, it's a beautiful day inthe neighborhood.
You know, guys, that was MrDressup.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I think pretty much the root of.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Actually, no, it was Mr Rogers, mr Rogers, mr Dressup
is Mr Rogers, mr Dressup is notMr Rogers.
Am I wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, mr Dressup and Mr Rogers were not
the same thing.
Let's go on.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Wow, I made a mistake .
Mr Dressup and Mr Rogers werenot the same thing.
Let's go on Wow I made amistake.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Mr Dressup was on CBC , mr Rogers was on PBS.
Way to go, let's start thatagain.
Go ahead, go ahead, stuart,we're good.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Radio 2 Podcast for unfiltered apologetic
discussions.
I'm one of your hosts, stuartRizgal, and that's my other host
, that's David Sullivan.
We tackle a diverse range oftopics and carry the
conversation of bold opinions.
Whether we're breaking out thelatest headlines, exploring pop
culture, debating politics,delving into complexities of
modern life, this is a platformfor every perspective.
(01:22):
So grab a seat, settle in asyou join into an unedited
version of the Rant Networkwhich, by the way, they're
always unedited, unapologetic.
So as we got started, david hadtaken a point of correcting me
because I made a mistake, andthat feels rather uncomfortable.
(01:45):
When you do that, however, is itmore uncomfortable telling an
ordinary white guy you shouldfeel sorry for all those people
that aren't and it's your faultthat those people aren't getting
those things?
Wow, sounds kind of crazy,doesn't it?
(02:06):
There's something called DEIthat stands for diversity,
equity and inclusion.
It was a framework that theDemocrats and Russians I like to
call them ushered in and, inthe United States, inclusion
organizational framework thatseeks to promote fairness and
(02:26):
full participation for all,particularly groups that
historically have beenunderrepresented, represented,
or code word is you shouldvillainize everyone that isn't
underrepresented, even if thoserepresentations of people,
(02:47):
whatever it is, didn't existbefore the minute they thought
of them.
It sounds insane.
Well, david, when you'retalking about DEI insanity, did
I really get it now, becauseyou're an ordinary white guy
picking on a guy who made amistake?
(03:08):
Well, is that nice of you,david?
That wasn't nice of you, butwell you know, people aren't all
as smart as you, david, and yougot set up today for that one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But look no come on, you know, and look, forget,
forget.
I mean I know Stuart is tryingto make fun of his mistake and
don't worry about it, people,we're going to get him checked
out.
But look, here's the way thisstory, you know, really came to
front.
You know, target a few yearsago, if you recall, put out some
(03:41):
merchandise out there and itkind of got really backlash
during, you know, pride monthand really a lot of people were
critical of the companies whereyou know they're just, you know,
pride washing as they wereusing and there was a lot of
criticism.
And so of course there was apullback and Target got
(04:03):
criticism, and then again theygot criticism, and then again
they got criticism for cancelingDEI initiatives.
Now the theory behind DEI makesa lot of sense.
Let's create equity, let's givepeople an equal chance to get
the jobs to work to where theyneed to be Makes a lot of sense
(04:25):
on paper, it is theoreticallyokay, but with one proviso that
everybody has the, the right,the equal chance to get it.
Now I understand you wantbalance.
I understand we want diversityaround the table.
I'm one in my professionalcareer.
Tell business owners that whenyou don't have diversity around
(04:48):
the table, diversity of thoughtaround the table.
You know, not necessarily colorof skin, not necessarily
religion, but diversity ofthought, then you create an
interesting and exciting culture, an exciting business culture.
But what the DEI folks wantedto do was not to create a
(05:08):
diversity of thought, but adiversity of skin and a
diversity of those who should beat a table and the so-called.
In order to make peopleunderstand the value of DEI, we
(05:30):
have to go and tell people ofStuart and my persuasions.
No, no, no, you're not welcome.
Now, I'm really not quoting me.
Please do not understand.
This didn't come from me, nope.
This statement literally camefrom a culture, diversity and
equity and inclusion expert thatI spoke to this week that she
(05:54):
went to mid-sized, to largecorporations to work with them
on their corporate culture, towork with them on their
corporate culture.
And the people who wanted DEIwere creating a toxic culture in
an organization that empoweredanother group over another in a
punitive fashion.
Now, where does this createinclusion?
(06:17):
Where does this create equity?
Where does this bring indiversity?
No, what it did was demeanpeople.
What it mean was make peoplefeel bad and tell them they were
wrong, that they were the oneswrong and you were wrong.
Now, where is this coming from?
Now in timing, it's because AlSharpton, the famous reverend
(06:39):
who's on MSNBC, that lunaticchannel of lefties gone wild.
He meets with the Target CEOand says, yeah, we had a really
good conversation because Targetshould put back its DEI
policies To hell.
With Donald Trump who decidedto cancel the DEI initiatives.
He straight out signed anexecutive order in January
(07:01):
ending illegal discriminationand restoring merit-based
opportunity.
So now let me go back to thatculture person.
I spoke about that businessculture individual who, by the
way, is a visible minority, whohas dealt with racism, and I
asked her straight up.
Donald Trump did this and saidlet's go to merit-based.
(07:25):
And I want to tell yousomething she was, she lives in
the Northeast of the UnitedStates and she was highly
uncomfortable in theconversation.
So I said excuse me, can I?
I'm sorry if I made youuncomfortable.
She says no, I'm just used togetting backlash If I agree with
donald trump and merit-basedopportunity.
And so I said to her don'tsweat it.
(07:48):
Like we believe in merit-based,what?
Why?
Why would an organization wantto go to merit-based versus um,
versus this dei which?
And she said to me, she goes.
Listen, we see that culture ofexcellence is when there is
diversity around the table, thatyou have the right people at
(08:08):
the table, and then when youhave the right people on the
team that don't bring toxicity,then you've got a success.
So I said does that matter withtheir skin color?
Does that matter their religion?
Does that matter of their,their sexual persuasion?
She says absolutely not.
And there is exactly whatDonald Trump was trying to do.
It's not about creating racism,which is what the Reverend Al
(08:31):
Sharpton and the rest of theseloonies want to bring to the
table.
It's all there.
They want their policy, theywant their agenda steward.
Imagine telling someone who'san expert in this field, who
comes straight out and says it'snot about your skin, it's the
argument is merit versusdiversity.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a debate.
It pits the principles ofawarding positions based off
qualifications and achievementsagainst goals creating inclusive
and representative in aworkplace.
They argue that both are vital.
Right, I don't want the secondbest doctor to amputate my arm,
but they're not mutuallyexclusive.
(09:11):
And a true meritocracyrecognizes the diverse
perspective that there arepeople that are of all color
walks of life, colors, greens,that can be as good as everyone
else.
It seems idealistic more thanit is in reality, because, in
fairness, equal opportunitydoesn't mean I have to have a
(09:35):
bell curve to bring those peopleup, and that's what a
merit-based system should be ina capitalistic society.
Again, I am not looking ordiscouraging anyone.
I'm encouraging everyone.
But that's not enough for the AlSharptons or the DEI mavens.
(09:57):
They want you to accept thesecond best person and the 10th
best person because they fit abox, and that's the argument.
Where diversity goes to die andthere is no dichotomy, where
dei works in society.
(10:17):
You know there is none, david.
You can't have a truemeritocracy.
It can only be achieved if yousystematically remove barriers,
which we have.
You have black presidents,black congressmen, black this
Asians, this Jewish, thisChristians.
That the bar has been removed,but it's never enough.
(10:43):
Now it's a transgender part fordei well no, no, no, david, and
they are now pushing the limitson even more.
Like hey, that got you know.
There's a famous uh youtubevideo, tiktok and instagram post
going around where a Californiacop pulls over a car driven by
(11:07):
a cat With a cat.
Yeah, now let me tell yousomething.
Do you think that officerdeserved some DEI training?
Oh, but Starbucks did it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Remember, Remember Starbucks doing it and Disney's
done it.
You know what?
Stuart Sharpton is just one ofthose.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You mean the multi-millionaire Al Sharpton?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
He goes like this and he posted it on Instagram
yesterday.
The DEI is under siege and someare acting like it's dead.
He says the fight's not over.
Today marks 67 weeks ofstraight action.
We've been on the front linesoutside of bill ackman's office
in new york city, demandingaccountability and pushing back
on the corporate rollbacks.
Now is the time to slow down.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's the time for bill ackman yep, yep, yep,
because who is bill ackmanstewart?
Bill ackman is a an uh, one ofthe most famous modern wall
street guys.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But excuse me, is hooked in because, do you know?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
who wanted to make dei a reality.
It's a civil rights movement.
That's gone wild, you know.
There was a another show, agirl's gone wild, the guy that
I'm going to jail, or somethinglike that, and if he didn't I
apologize to you because Ithought you did.
The civil rights movement inits own was an altruistic
(12:31):
movement.
Martin Luther King spearheadedthat, as far as my opinion, and
he didn't say I'm a black man,he just wanted to be a man and
who was around him, by the way,Stuart, who supported him?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Who were the people that were around him?
Who supported him?
White?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
men and women.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And not only that, he had a whole diversity,
including Jews, including others.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Atlas from Birmingham , alabama, a rabbi who I
actually knew, who passed in1992, who walked the walk with
him hand in hand.
His synagogue was across fromhis church.
How do you like them, apples?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And they walked together arm in arm.
So is it all?
White men are wrong, is it all?
See, the problem is with DEI,and we're mixing a little bit of
CRT critical race theory inhere.
But the problem is that theprogram has been hijacked and
the folks that want it therehave been upset.
And I'll give you anotherexample.
I spoke to another so-calledDEI expert and he's
(13:35):
African-American, and hiscomment to me is I'm sick and
tired of all these other groupswho are trying to hijack DEI.
I said Morgan Freeman, I saidhold on DEI.
I said Morgan Freeman, I said Isaid hold on a second.
I said hijack.
Who's hijacking Neurodiversity?
What is that?
There's nothing there in termsof DEI.
So someone who's autistic,someone who is dyslexic, who is
(13:56):
having trouble?
They shouldn't be at the DEI,they shouldn't be part of the
DEI program.
Nope.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's a purely racial move.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well move well, because it was hijacked by the
liberal elite, but I'm sayingwhat I'm saying is.
What I'm saying is is that it's, if you talk to the folks who
are putting dei programs inplace, they're the ones who are
going to tell you that there istheir program.
It's for only a particulargroup of people and no one else
should be involved in andinvolved in it.
It's not real equity, stuart.
(14:26):
It is a version of hijacking.
And what Donald Trump did waseliminated in government.
He got.
We saw corporations en massecutting it because it doesn't
jive, it's not working.
When something doesn't work,you need to fix it or kill it
and rebuild it, and what peopleare upset about is the program
(14:48):
that they so proudly built overyears.
They hijacked corporations,stuart, to tell me, to tell me
American Express, listen to tellother organizations that you
bring a perfectly good candidateto the table and you see his
skin color and he's immediately,or she's immediately eliminated
as a candidate.
(15:09):
That's, that's, that's.
And the argument I got fromfrom, from from folks, was well,
now you know how we feel.
I think so.
You're punishing me forsomething that my parents'
generation may have done, butI'm getting punished.
You're not creating balance.
(15:29):
That's not balance.
Nope, that's called punishment.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Nope, I agree.
But you know what, david?
That brings this podcast to aclose, let's do it.
And that brings us to anotherepisode, and no dei in that.
But there's an end, end, threeletters.
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Wow, you know, it's another beautiful day in the
neighborhood.
You ever heard that story?
It's a beautiful day.
It's a beautiful day.
It's a beautiful day in theneighborhood From the most
famous DEI puppets.
Yep, it's a beautiful day inthe neighborhood.
You know, guys, that was MrDressup.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I think pretty much the root of.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Actually, no, it was Mr Rogers, mr Rogers, mr Dressup
is Mr Rogers, mr Dressup is notMr Rogers.
Am I wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, mr Dressup and Mr Rogers were not
the same thing.
Let's go on.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Wow, I made a mistake .
Mr Dressup and Mr Rogers werenot the same thing.
Let's go on Wow I made amistake.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Mr Dressup was on CBC , mr Rogers was on PBS.
Way to go, let's start thatagain.
Go ahead, go ahead, stuart,we're good.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Radio 2 Podcast for unfiltered apologetic
discussions.
I'm one of your hosts, stuartRizgal, and that's my other host
, that's David Sullivan.
We tackle a diverse range oftopics and carry the
conversation of bold opinions.
Whether we're breaking out thelatest headlines, exploring pop
culture, debating politics,delving into complexities of
modern life, this is a platformfor every perspective.
(01:22):
So grab a seat, settle in asyou join into an unedited
version of the Rant Networkwhich, by the way, they're
always unedited, unapologetic.
So as we got started, david hadtaken a point of correcting me
because I made a mistake, andthat feels rather uncomfortable.
(01:45):
When you do that, however, is itmore uncomfortable telling an
ordinary white guy you shouldfeel sorry for all those people
that aren't and it's your faultthat those people aren't getting
those things?
Wow, sounds kind of crazy,doesn't it?
(02:06):
There's something called DEIthat stands for diversity,
equity and inclusion.
It was a framework that theDemocrats and Russians I like to
call them ushered in and, inthe United States, inclusion
organizational framework thatseeks to promote fairness and
(02:26):
full participation for all,particularly groups that
historically have beenunderrepresented, represented,
or code word is you shouldvillainize everyone that isn't
underrepresented, even if thoserepresentations of people,
(02:47):
whatever it is, didn't existbefore the minute they thought
of them.
It sounds insane.
Well, david, when you'retalking about DEI insanity, did
I really get it now, becauseyou're an ordinary white guy
picking on a guy who made amistake?
(03:08):
Well, is that nice of you,david?
That wasn't nice of you, butwell you know, people aren't all
as smart as you, david, and yougot set up today for that one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But look no come on, you know, and look, forget,
forget.
I mean I know Stuart is tryingto make fun of his mistake and
don't worry about it, people,we're going to get him checked
out.
But look, here's the way thisstory, you know, really came to
front.
You know, target a few yearsago, if you recall, put out some
(03:41):
merchandise out there and itkind of got really backlash
during, you know, pride monthand really a lot of people were
critical of the companies whereyou know they're just, you know,
pride washing as they wereusing and there was a lot of
criticism.
And so of course there was apullback and Target got
(04:03):
criticism, and then again theygot criticism, and then again
they got criticism for cancelingDEI initiatives.
Now the theory behind DEI makesa lot of sense.
Let's create equity, let's givepeople an equal chance to get
the jobs to work to where theyneed to be Makes a lot of sense
(04:25):
on paper, it is theoreticallyokay, but with one proviso that
everybody has the, the right,the equal chance to get it.
Now I understand you wantbalance.
I understand we want diversityaround the table.
I'm one in my professionalcareer.
Tell business owners that whenyou don't have diversity around
(04:48):
the table, diversity of thoughtaround the table.
You know, not necessarily colorof skin, not necessarily
religion, but diversity ofthought, then you create an
interesting and exciting culture, an exciting business culture.
But what the DEI folks wantedto do was not to create a
(05:08):
diversity of thought, but adiversity of skin and a
diversity of those who should beat a table and the so-called.
In order to make peopleunderstand the value of DEI, we
(05:30):
have to go and tell people ofStuart and my persuasions.
No, no, no, you're not welcome.
Now, I'm really not quoting me.
Please do not understand.
This didn't come from me, nope.
This statement literally camefrom a culture, diversity and
equity and inclusion expert thatI spoke to this week that she
(05:54):
went to mid-sized, to largecorporations to work with them
on their corporate culture, towork with them on their
corporate culture.
And the people who wanted DEIwere creating a toxic culture in
an organization that empoweredanother group over another in a
punitive fashion.
Now, where does this createinclusion?
(06:17):
Where does this create equity?
Where does this bring indiversity?
No, what it did was demeanpeople.
What it mean was make peoplefeel bad and tell them they were
wrong, that they were the oneswrong and you were wrong.
Now, where is this coming from?
Now in timing, it's because AlSharpton, the famous reverend
(06:39):
who's on MSNBC, that lunaticchannel of lefties gone wild.
He meets with the Target CEOand says, yeah, we had a really
good conversation because Targetshould put back its DEI
policies To hell.
With Donald Trump who decidedto cancel the DEI initiatives.
He straight out signed anexecutive order in January
(07:01):
ending illegal discriminationand restoring merit-based
opportunity.
So now let me go back to thatculture person.
I spoke about that businessculture individual who, by the
way, is a visible minority, whohas dealt with racism, and I
asked her straight up.
Donald Trump did this and saidlet's go to merit-based.
(07:25):
And I want to tell yousomething she was, she lives in
the Northeast of the UnitedStates and she was highly
uncomfortable in theconversation.
So I said excuse me, can I?
I'm sorry if I made youuncomfortable.
She says no, I'm just used togetting backlash If I agree with
donald trump and merit-basedopportunity.
And so I said to her don'tsweat it.
(07:48):
Like we believe in merit-based,what?
Why?
Why would an organization wantto go to merit-based versus um,
versus this dei which?
And she said to me, she goes.
Listen, we see that culture ofexcellence is when there is
diversity around the table, thatyou have the right people at
(08:08):
the table, and then when youhave the right people on the
team that don't bring toxicity,then you've got a success.
So I said does that matter withtheir skin color?
Does that matter their religion?
Does that matter of their,their sexual persuasion?
She says absolutely not.
And there is exactly whatDonald Trump was trying to do.
It's not about creating racism,which is what the Reverend Al
(08:31):
Sharpton and the rest of theseloonies want to bring to the
table.
It's all there.
They want their policy, theywant their agenda steward.
Imagine telling someone who'san expert in this field, who
comes straight out and says it'snot about your skin, it's the
argument is merit versusdiversity.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a debate.
It pits the principles ofawarding positions based off
qualifications and achievementsagainst goals creating inclusive
and representative in aworkplace.
They argue that both are vital.
Right, I don't want the secondbest doctor to amputate my arm,
but they're not mutuallyexclusive.
(09:11):
And a true meritocracyrecognizes the diverse
perspective that there arepeople that are of all color
walks of life, colors, greens,that can be as good as everyone
else.
It seems idealistic more thanit is in reality, because, in
fairness, equal opportunitydoesn't mean I have to have a
(09:35):
bell curve to bring those peopleup, and that's what a
merit-based system should be ina capitalistic society.
Again, I am not looking ordiscouraging anyone.
I'm encouraging everyone.
But that's not enough for the AlSharptons or the DEI mavens.
(09:57):
They want you to accept thesecond best person and the 10th
best person because they fit abox, and that's the argument.
Where diversity goes to die andthere is no dichotomy, where
dei works in society.
(10:17):
You know there is none, david.
You can't have a truemeritocracy.
It can only be achieved if yousystematically remove barriers,
which we have.
You have black presidents,black congressmen, black this
Asians, this Jewish, thisChristians.
That the bar has been removed,but it's never enough.
(10:43):
Now it's a transgender part fordei well no, no, no, david, and
they are now pushing the limitson even more.
Like hey, that got you know.
There's a famous uh youtubevideo, tiktok and instagram post
going around where a Californiacop pulls over a car driven by
(11:07):
a cat With a cat.
Yeah, now let me tell yousomething.
Do you think that officerdeserved some DEI training?
Oh, but Starbucks did it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Remember, Remember Starbucks doing it and Disney's
done it.
You know what?
Stuart Sharpton is just one ofthose.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You mean the multi-millionaire Al Sharpton?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
He goes like this and he posted it on Instagram
yesterday.
The DEI is under siege and someare acting like it's dead.
He says the fight's not over.
Today marks 67 weeks ofstraight action.
We've been on the front linesoutside of bill ackman's office
in new york city, demandingaccountability and pushing back
on the corporate rollbacks.
Now is the time to slow down.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's the time for bill ackman yep, yep, yep,
because who is bill ackmanstewart?
Bill ackman is a an uh, one ofthe most famous modern wall
street guys.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But excuse me, is hooked in because, do you know?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
who wanted to make dei a reality.
It's a civil rights movement.
That's gone wild, you know.
There was a another show, agirl's gone wild, the guy that
I'm going to jail, or somethinglike that, and if he didn't I
apologize to you because Ithought you did.
The civil rights movement inits own was an altruistic
(12:31):
movement.
Martin Luther King spearheadedthat, as far as my opinion, and
he didn't say I'm a black man,he just wanted to be a man and
who was around him, by the way,Stuart, who supported him?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Who were the people that were around him?
Who supported him?
White?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
men and women.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And not only that, he had a whole diversity,
including Jews, including others.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Atlas from Birmingham , alabama, a rabbi who I
actually knew, who passed in1992, who walked the walk with
him hand in hand.
His synagogue was across fromhis church.
How do you like them, apples?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And they walked together arm in arm.
So is it all?
White men are wrong, is it all?
See, the problem is with DEI,and we're mixing a little bit of
CRT critical race theory inhere.
But the problem is that theprogram has been hijacked and
the folks that want it therehave been upset.
And I'll give you anotherexample.
I spoke to another so-calledDEI expert and he's
(13:35):
African-American, and hiscomment to me is I'm sick and
tired of all these other groupswho are trying to hijack DEI.
I said Morgan Freeman, I saidhold on DEI.
I said Morgan Freeman, I said Isaid hold on a second.
I said hijack.
Who's hijacking Neurodiversity?
What is that?
There's nothing there in termsof DEI.
So someone who's autistic,someone who is dyslexic, who is
(13:56):
having trouble?
They shouldn't be at the DEI,they shouldn't be part of the
DEI program.
Nope.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's a purely racial move.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well move well, because it was hijacked by the
liberal elite, but I'm sayingwhat I'm saying is.
What I'm saying is is that it's, if you talk to the folks who
are putting dei programs inplace, they're the ones who are
going to tell you that there istheir program.
It's for only a particulargroup of people and no one else
should be involved in andinvolved in it.
It's not real equity, stuart.
(14:26):
It is a version of hijacking.
And what Donald Trump did waseliminated in government.
He got.
We saw corporations en massecutting it because it doesn't
jive, it's not working.
When something doesn't work,you need to fix it or kill it
and rebuild it, and what peopleare upset about is the program
(14:48):
that they so proudly built overyears.
They hijacked corporations,stuart, to tell me, to tell me
American Express, listen to tellother organizations that you
bring a perfectly good candidateto the table and you see his
skin color and he's immediately,or she's immediately eliminated
as a candidate.
(15:09):
That's, that's, that's.
And the argument I got fromfrom, from from folks, was well,
now you know how we feel.
I think so.
You're punishing me forsomething that my parents'
generation may have done, butI'm getting punished.
You're not creating balance.
(15:29):
That's not balance.
Nope, that's called punishment.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Nope, I agree.
But you know what, david?
That brings this podcast to aclose, let's do it.
And that brings us to anotherepisode, and no dei in that.
But there's an end, end, threeletters.
Anyways, guys, we trulyappreciate you tuning in and
sharing your time with us.
Your support and engagementmeans everything.
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We're continuing to foster athought-provoking conversation,
and sometimes, uh, very muchunedited.
Don't forget, we're here everymonday, wednesday, friday, noon
easter and stay connectedthrough social media.
Check our website, sometimesvery much unedited, don't forget
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We're here every Monday,wednesday, friday, noon Easter
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Check our website out.
We've got every episode there.
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Enjoy the weekend.
Happy Easter for thosecelebrating, be safe and those
finishing up Passover haveanother slice of matzah.
Just a couple more days ofconstipation.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
For those who celebrate Holy Week.
All the very best to youeverybody.
Stay well, stay safe.
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