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December 5, 2025 19 mins

When senators tell the military to defy the Commander-in-Chief, that’s not democracy—it’s chaos. David and Stuart rip into the latest controversy where six Democratic lawmakers, including Senator Mark Kelly, urged troops to resist “illegal orders” without ever defining what those orders are. The Rant Network argues this is political theater designed to paint Trump as authoritarian, while the media cheers it on. From Stephen A. Smith calling out Kelly to The View attacking him, the episode exposes how partisan narratives twist military doctrine into a weapon of anarchy.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Oh thanks God it's Friday.
Yep.
Another week has gone by ofDemocrats dumb dumb dumb.
Yep, it's it's just an amazing,it's an amazing situation,
ladies and gentlemen, as we hearonce again the Democrats playing

(00:23):
double standards.
Could you imagine at any pointin history, you would hear
politicians, you would heardemocratically elected
individuals tell the military,tell the intelligence community,
you must ignore the presidentbecause what he's doing is
illegal.

(00:44):
Nobody explains where theillegal it's how is it illegal.
But when a Democrat announcessomething, the media jumps on it
and decides it's it's facts.
I mean, we we we have to rely onthe same media that, of course,
for so long said that there areover 70,000 dead Gazans, even
though Hamas itself said, well,the numbers are wrong.

(01:06):
But this is the same media thatis continued to push narratives
that it said, uh uh, go withthat one.
And if the Democrats saysomething, it must be fact.
If Republicans say something, wemust fact check.
Well, the reason I'm pushingthis is Senator Mark Kelly,
Democrat of Arizona.
Uh Alisa Stolt uh Slotkin fromDemocrat from Michigan.

(01:27):
There are six Democraticlawmakers got together.
I think I made a video lastmonth, urging military and
intelligence community membersto consult their consciousness
and refuse to obey illegalorders.
If this is not a subject for theRent Network, I don't know what
is.
Welcome back, ladies andgentlemen.
I'm David Solomon, he's StewartBrisgale.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday, noon,Eastern, we do this thing called
the Rent, where we take thetime, our efforts, and our

(01:48):
brains to kind of open up andsay, hey, how stupid can that
be?
Well, that is exactly what welike to push here at the Rent
Network.
Ideas, thoughts, politicalviews, cultural norms, whatever
you want to call it, we addressthem here at the Rent Network.
So sit back, folks.
If you're listening to us on anyof those podcasts, thank you.
If you're watching us here onYouTube or Facebook, thank you

(02:10):
again.
Because you need to thank us,because you won't get this kind
of entertainment anywhere else.
Because why else would we sithere and say to you that this is
insanity?
You're not gonna hear it on CNNand MSNBC.
No, the opposite.
They're telling you that DonaldTrump is running illegally, that
he's an authoritarian.
Oh, who does that sound like?

(02:30):
Yes, the Democrats.
The Democrats will continue toad to say that Donald Trump has
done illegal things, that DonaldTrump has conducted his
presidency like a king, and yetevery time they say it, it's
been disproven.
When you talk to people whoquote CNN, MSNBC Stuart, and
that happened to me this weekwith somebody here in Montreal,

(02:52):
who claims to be a conservative,but quotes CNN about about
Trump.
It's like, I thought you, Ithought you had half a brain to
look beyond where the message iscoming from and to do your own
homework.
Stuart, could you imagineemployees being told by the by
other employees, by othermanagers, defy the CEO?

(03:16):
You would never hear that there.
And in the military and the inthe uh in the in the
intelligence community, couldyou imagine the what damage
these guys are trying to cause?
And yet they're calling Trumpthe guy who's a threat to
democracy, Stewart.
I love this.

SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
All right, let's step directly into the whirlwind
because, like you said, David,another headline, another
controversy, another example onhow the Washington Democrats
somehow find a way to twist eventhe most constitutional
principle in the political.
Senator Mart Kelly, you know,let's talk about he is what, a

(03:58):
former U.S.
Navy aviator.
He flew 39 missions in desertstorms.
He retired as a Navy captain.
He was selected uh by NASA in1996, flew not one, not two, not
three, but four shuttlemissions, and served as
commander of the Endeavor.

(04:18):
You know, it's the husband ofGabby Giffords, right?
The wife, former Republican, uh,was shot in 2011.
Gun violence, right?
You know, a political career.
He started in uh 2020, where hewas elected to fill John
McCain's seat and was re-electedfor a full six-year term.
He sits on the Senate ArmedServices, Senate Energy, and

(04:42):
Center of Environmental, right?
His political areas of focus arenational security, border,
energy, infrastructure, and gunsafety.
He sounds like a textbookRepublican.
Well, let's face now thecontroversial comments, right?
Every service member knows theoath of and into the

(05:06):
constitution.
Not to any one individual,illegal orders are not to be
followed.
This isn't a radical statement.
This is the doctrine, this isthe military law, this is
military 101.
But political, that political,politic.

(05:28):
Political, political, political,political, political, thank you,
David.
Uh, heard something different.
They heard implication, theyheard subtext, they heard echoes
in current political tension.
And suddenly we see what anuclear bomb looks like.
Pentagon voices, according toreporterly expressed concerns
about whether Senator Weighingin that could blur civil

(05:53):
military norms, political mediaturned it into a partisan brawl.
And so today we're gonna unpackthe statement.
So, what did Senator Kellyactually say?

SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
And five others, by the way.
Five others.

SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
What did we're talking about?
Oh, you want to talk aboutKelly?
Okay, talking about Kellyactually say, all right.
So we'll lay down for it.
He said, let's start with thebasic principle.
It's illegal to follow anillegal order.
Start, stop.
That's what he said.

(06:28):
The uniform code militaryjustice isn't ambiguous.
The military courts havereaffirmed this repeatedly.
Kelly's comments was phrased ina way that he felt was a
warning, almost like apreemptive advisory to troops.
He emphasized the oath of theConstitution, that part is

(06:49):
correct, but the timing, it'sall about timing.
Election season, heightenedrhetoric, fractions on edge,
every statement.

SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
What was illegal?
Did Mark Kelly say specificallywhat order?
Give one order that he says wasillegal?

SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
Or he just says, right?
And then and then it becomes theRepublicans heard he is telling
troops to selectively disobeyorders.
Heard he's reminding military ofconstitutional duty.
Oh, I see.
And the Pentagon wants to avoidthe crossfire.

(07:31):
So let's let's let's throw aspark on gasoline, but that's
the political climate, David.
So why is the right so alarmed,right?
Why are the Republicans?
Because conservatives watchingcivil military relations are
like hawks.
Command policies get draggedinto cultural debates,

(07:54):
recruiting numbers collapsing asa political message steps in
ranks, rising distrust betweenuniformed service members and
election officials, endlessaccusations politicizing the
military.
You know, when Democratssenators' troops can't obey
illegal orders, Republicans hearthe insinuation that we might

(08:17):
expect illegal orders soon.
And they're gonna come only fromthe right.
Whether Kelly meant this or not,he caused a shitstorm that you
know what?
He, as a former U.S.
military service member, isnever fully out of the military,

(08:38):
even though that he's retired,even though that he's a senator,
and can be held accountableunder the military code even
after he's gone.
Just because he is a senatordoesn't mean his initial
obligation to the U.S.
military is tossed out.
So the statement that he can behung, well, that is what happens

(09:02):
when you commit mutiny.
Now, why did Donald Trump throwthat out there?
Well, if you could say don'tfollow orders, I can tell you
that the repercussions ofsomething of that nature is
exactly what the crime would be.
Hence scrutiny, henceinternational internal

(09:23):
discussions, hence headlines.
The the again, they must remainapolitical.
That is the job of someone fromthe Pentagon.
So can you walk into gum, David,especially Senator Kelly?
I think he is in a hypotheticalwashing machine, he is in a

(09:46):
conundrum.
He can't be the dumb, dumb AOCor Texas potty mouth.
He needs to act always as I am aformer military executive,
because that's what he is.
And today he threw rhetoric on atheoretical illegal order

(10:09):
instead of actually the nation'ssecurities challenges.
America has a moment where thisis being understood.
This is why this causes chaosglobally.
Let me just do this.
If people want to run onprinciples, great.

(10:30):
If troops disobey orders, theyare in fact violating U.S.
military order.
They are committing a crime, amilitary crime.
That is under treason.
So you can't start conditioningtroops, you can't start
inserting military leadershipwith not the president of the

(10:53):
United States, who which is thecommander-in-chief, not Senator
Kelly.
You are no longer in theservice, sir.
You are outside the service,held to the service law.
And again, you aren't hearingthis in the media, David, which
is what I find so aggravating.

SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
It is, David.
Well, Stuart, I'm gonna tell yousomething.
There's a lot you just saidthere, and I'm gonna I'm just
gonna touch on a couple ofpoints.
First and foremost, I still wantto know what is illegal.
You don't agree now.
One thing about Donald Trump isthat that man is surrounded by
more constitutional lawyers thanI know what to do with it.
And yes, yes, a lot of it youcould say is gray area.

(11:32):
But one thing Trump knows isthat what he doesn't want is for
his thing to go to court and tobe overturned.
That's not the way he plays, andyou see that again and again and
again with everything that he'sdone.
The Democrats don't learn.
The only thing the Democratswant, Stuart, is anarchy.
This is what they're causing,and they have their minions to

(11:53):
help them cause anarchy.
What Senator Kelly did, with alldue respect to Senator Kelly, is
not only like you said, it'streasonous, but it's it's about
creating greater anarchy.
The proof is in the pudding.
If we create greater anarchy,Trump will react, Trump reacts,
we got more media coverage, weposition him for 2026 as the

(12:15):
authoritarian, the king, theda-da-da-da-da-da-da.
The accusations, you know,Stuart, remember he went to
court so many times betweenterms, they toss him out.
He keeps getting this stufftossed out because all of these
things that are being brought tothe fore are trumped up charges,
they're not real, they're justto get headlines.

(12:38):
And like I said, when I talkabout Dominion, Stuart, having
to help to spew into create thisanarchy, I'll give you an
example.
Stephen A.
Smith is an ESPN sportscommentator.
I don't know why they love thisguy, I think he's a pompous ass,
loud, noisy, arrogant, you callit whatever you want.
And on Sirius XM, he has his ownpolitical podcast.

(12:59):
Now he's he is he will headmits, and by the way, he's
been on Fox, he's been on othershows, and just like a Bill
Maher or a John Fetterman, whenthe Democrats screw up, he calls
him out.
But when you're a loyal soldier,and I'm using that term
purposefully, like the folks onthe view, that no matter what

(13:22):
the Democrats say, right orwrong, it's right.
So when Stephen A.
Smith called out Mark Kelly andsaid he's wrong in what he did,
and those other five democraticcenters were entirely out of
line.
Sonny Huston, whoopi Goldberg,two of the dumbest people on
television, not went after him.

(13:44):
And the words were the followingyou are loud and wrong.
Not that's your opinion, wrong.
So they played the clip, and andagain, Smith said, No, I'm not
changing a thing.
I didn't stutter when I said it.
So Houston says, Okay, you wantto stay loud and wrong.
His attitude is very, verysimple.

(14:06):
That he basically is saying thatyou know, the the women are
saying that the administrationis pitting our uniformed
military and intelligencecommunity against American
citizens.
Again, you there's no proof ofthat.
This is just allegations.
And if it's one here, one there,let me remind everybody that the
Biden administration went afterCatholic people.
The Biden administrationillegally tampered and tapped

(14:29):
into a bunch of Republicansenators and Congress people
through the NSA.
That is not illegal, but no,again, it's all about who is
doing the who is who is the oneconducting the illegal act.
And uh, with elders and Smith, Ireally I I again I don't care.

(14:49):
He says he doesn't like PeteHexeth, he has no respect for
Pete Hexeth, so be it.
That's a democracy.
When your own party calls forthat kind of conduct, it's
dangerous.
Stuart, I'm sorry if you gothrough American history, you
can go president after presidentafter president.
Tell me who didn't conductsomething as a president that

(15:11):
you could say was illegal.
Every president did it undertheir watch, whether it was the
CIA, whether it was hold on,Stuart, whether it was the CIA,
whether it was the military,every president has something in
there that they did.
Now, you know, it's veryinteresting that Trump is taking
out Venezuelan drug lords whowant to kill people in the

(15:35):
United States, and the Democratssay that that that's illegal.

SPEAKER_01 (15:39):
You don't you you just say words, but you don't
present so so so that's where Iwant that's where I want to jump
and just bring this up, Dave.
What Mark Kelly said is accuratemilitary doctrine, it's taught
in the uniform.

SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
I understand, but that's but the point is, Stuart,
who gets to decide it's illegal?

SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Well, well, again, we just didn't say every service
member is supposed to refuseunlawful law.

SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
You didn't answer the question.
I heard what you said.
What you didn't answer me waswhat is unlawful or illegal?
They're just accusing Trump, butthey're showing no proof.

SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
So, but this is what I'm trying to say.
The statement doesn't fit anylegal standard for treason.
It was it encouraged an armedrevolt, assisted a foreign
enemy, directed, undermined U.S.
security, wartime, but it didn'tdo any of those things.
What it was politicallyprovocative, poor timed,

(16:40):
intentionally interpreted asinflammatory.
However, that is what he wantedto do, and he did it with intent
and with vigor, knowing thatthat would happen.
That's it.
You know, it is literally just apolitical theatrics that you

(17:05):
know it's what it's interestingbecause it's very interesting
because when Stephen A.

SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
Smith made his remark, and this is what he's
saying, he got texts fromgovernors who said you're not
wrong.
You don't tell like the militaryknows this.
The military knows if somethingis unlawful and you know why
it's unlawful, you don't do it.
But to allege something'sunlawful without proof or

(17:30):
substance or anything, that iswhat the Democratic Party is
very good at.
Let's make a lot of noise, butthere's no fact behind it.
Okay, you keep saying thingsthat you know he took out drug
lords, he's allowed, it's in thecode.
He would not do anything that heknew would get him into real

(17:52):
trouble.
Trump knows how to push the lawto the edge, where you can get
away with it, let's say, if youwant to use that term, but it's
still within the confines of theconstitution and the rules.
And if his generals said no, youcan't, I mean, are you telling
me?
Listen, this is what you'resaying.

(18:14):
The the commander-in-chief tellsthe generals what I want get
done, and the generals aresaying, We know it's illegal,
we're still gonna do it.
Really?
You think that the generals fromthe army, the air force, the
marines, the navy, every one ofthese top admirals and generals
are all sitting there going,Yes, Mr.
President, without knowing thattheir own careers are in

(18:35):
trouble?
Something doesn't make sense,Stuart.
That is why I'm sick and tiredof the left, these Democrats,
these media fanatics not doingtheir homework.
They're illegally, they areillegally reporting falsehoods.
Last word to you, Stuart.

SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
David, I like the way you end the snip.
But you know what, David?
I think it's time for you towrap it up.
We've been all right, ladies andgentlemen.

SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
That's it.
Another week of the RantNetwork.
Love you, folks.
We'll catch you here on Monday.
Don't forget, UN is coming up.
What did you like to hear in2025?
Comments and Facebook, YouTube,wherever.
Love to hear from you.
Have a great week, everyone.
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