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SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
All right, ladies
and gentlemen, welcome back to
the Rand Network where we cutthrough the fog, break down the
noise, and frankly talk about HPthat your average political
panel won't touch.
And today is just another topicthe escalation tension between
President Trump and America'sEuropean allies.
More specifically, why Trump'scritiques of immigration,
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sovereignty, national securityaren't random outbursts, but
reflect a deeper structuralfailure that's hit across the
Atlantic.
Now, if you've been followingthe headlines, you've seen the
phrases.
Trump attacks European allies,Trump criticized Europe again,
Trump escalates rhetoric.
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But that's the thing.
From a conservative viewpoint,especially Republican one, Trump
isn't attacking Europe.
He's naming uncomfortable trucethat European leaders have
avoided for decades.
And when someone finally namesthe problem, those who created
it tend to call it an attack.
And it's kind of funny thatevery time you seem to talk
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about the subject, it'sIslamophobia that seems to be
the first word out of the mouthof these Europeaners.
So today we're going to unpackwhy Trump says Europe
immigration model's failing, howdemographics, cultural, and
social security pressure buildsup for the last 20 years, 30
years, why Republicans seeTrump's stance as a necessary
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course correction, and howEuropean class responds, and
they still deny that there's abig broader problem.
And finally, this is whyAmerican strategic interests are
of the utmost importance.
So we're going to dive deephistorically, politically,
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economically.
This isn't a Twitter take.
This is the full picture as towhy tones resonate with the
conservative voters and whyEuropean governments are pushed
back so aggressively, David.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
You know, Stuart,
and thank you so much.
And if my internet conks outagain, um listen, you know,
here's the problem, folks.
Truth hurts.
How many times have we heardthat, right?
When you want to tell somebodyto their face something, it's
uncomfortable, as you would sayit, your attitude is I don't
want to make them feel bad.
And that has become the Westernphilosophy.
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I don't want to make someonefeel bad.
Except, as we've seen, if youare on the left and you want to
criticize the right, you don'tcare who you hurt in the in the
process, but not the other wayaround.
The other way around is I havefeelings, I have emotions, you
shouldn't be doing this.
Now, Donald Trump often shootsfrom the hip, and there are
times where I think that whatthe heck is going through those,
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you know, what are the hamsterwheels doing in that brain of
his that he comes up withstatements like that, calling
Recep Erdogan a good friend, aTurkish leader who hates Israel,
is a staunch terroristsupporter, and has done nothing
but disrupt the Middle East, butwants to be a kingpin in the
Middle East.
I don't understand how he cancall him a friend.
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But then when you dig deep, youunderstand what Donald Trump
does is he makes noise over hereso that he can affect over
there.
And this is the reality of whyhe is attacking Europe.
Right now, Europe with NATOdidn't pay up for generations.
He got them and Canada to pay upfinally.
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You want you want defensivehelp, you want security?
It's not NATO, it's the UnitedStates, and therefore, under
these, you know, under these,the the deal and the terms, you
got to pay your own portion togo forward.
And president after presidentafter president kind of you know
brushed it under the rug.
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He called them out, he made thempay up, and now the alliance is
there.
But lo and behold, now he'sgoing after them.
Now he's going to say yourimmigration policies suck.
And one of the targets wasLondon.
And Sadiq Khan, who is a Muslim,who is the mayor of London,
seems to hate the fact thatDonald Trump keeps singling him
out.
And you wonder why.
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Why does he keep doing that,Stuart?
Well, it's really simple.
If you've been to London lately,you don't recognize London.
It's not because you don't seethe, you know, it's not that you
design that you won't see thebig O.
It's not a lot of these things.
It's the cultural diversity.
And no one here is going to tellyou that you shouldn't have
diversity in your country.
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I live in a diverse country, youlive in a diverse country.
England has always been adiverse country.
The difference is, Stuart, isthat the people who live there
follow the laws and respect thelaws of their local where they
live.
And we've talked about this.
And while Sadiq Khan might sayit's the greatest city in the
world, and he has no idea whyhe's obsessed with London, you
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know, he says, I'm not sure whathe's got against a liberal,
progressive, diverse, successfulcity like London.
I'll tell you what he has aproblem with.
You have constant protesters ofanarchists who are taking over
the streets.
We've seen it in growth,hundreds of thousands of them.
And if this is what you callprogressive, no, it's
regressive.
What you were what they'retrying to do in all these, look
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at France and look at otherplaces.
They've gone into the toilet.
And while he praises Hungary andViktor Orban and what he's doing
in Hungary, because he said, youknow what, we're not accepting
this.
Take a look at a little placelike Denmark, Stuart.
Denmark, which has very powerfulimmigration policies, Germany
itself, which was not perfect,throws people out when they're
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they cross the line, but notthese other countries.
So Donald Trump calls them out.
Guess what?
These left socialist lovingmayors, state leaders, are
pissed.
You're interfering, you'regetting involved in our
politics.
Yeah, duh.
And you know what?
Don't tell me now all of asudden, we don't need the United
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States.
Really?
Are you sure about that?
To ask your business community,are you sure you want to cut
ties with the United States?
Are you sure you want to beself-sufficient?
Because remember, people, youran to Russia for oil, you ran
to Russia for all of thesethings, and look what Russia's
trying to do.
You think they're gonna end itwith Ukraine?
Of course not.
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They've already threatenedPoland and they've already
threatened Finland.
And you think Putin's gonnastop?
Of course not.
Who's gonna come to yourdefense?
Obviously, you forgot historythat World War II would have
been finished.
You would have been destroyed,Europe, had the United States
not got into the war.
Let's be real.
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And the world would be a shitshow in a half if the United
States didn't fight thecommunists in the Soviet Union
and of course in China.
And yes, it wasn't perfect.
And yes, we have the VietnamWar.
Yes, we have a problem withKorea.
I get all that.
But people, wake up.
Your countries are changing.
It doesn't mean it's bad, butwhen you accept a population,
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Stewart, that doesn't want toconform to your laws and doesn't
want to assimilate to yoursociety, you get what you get.
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Yeah, but it's a
little bit more, it's a little
bit more than just the economicdimension, right?
It's it's the European.
SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
Could you come with
secretarial caller back, please?
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Do you mind?
Thank you.
It's a high tax, high regulationmodel.
It's dependent on immigrationsthat were once in the thousand,
now are in the millions tosustain a welfare state.
It's struggling withproductivity and its stagnation,
it's very vulnerabledemographically to collapse,
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where cities have been lost toreligious bias, like these imams
are declaring surreal law inmany cities across France and
England and Germany and inQuebec.
The GOP perspective demonstrateswhat happens when governments
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grow too large, demographicshrinks, borders are loose, the
defense budget falls, andthere's a cultural cohesion
erosion.
You know, the United States orthe West was born off
assimilation, leaving what youwere from Europe and becoming an
American.
That was what everyone aspiredto do from Europe.
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Now it was it the elite?
Well, yes, eventually it becamethe elite because there were no
one for them to marry, thedamsels that flew across the
pond from England to marryAmerican tycoons to support the
houses in England, you know.
But Trump goes out on a limbwhen when the European leaders
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go out and crucify Donald Trump,it's okay.
But when Donald Trump crucifiesthem and shows them how naked
they are in front of the press,they have to rebuff, right?
The U.S.
foreign policy must reflect itsinterests first.
Canada has discovered that thehard way.
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Other countries, their policieshave failed because of
Americans' burden.
Security partnership requires apartnership.
Europe does not want to do it,and the instability of NATO
lacks the cohesion that Europereally needs, which allows
Russia, China, and Iran toadvance.
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Do you remember a game we usedto play when we were kids,
David?
It's called Access and Allies.
Sure do.
Okay.
Well, the access is Russia,China, and Iran.
And when there's destabilizationin all the other countries, they
advance.
Their borders increase.
Because if you can't controlimmigration with strict vetting,
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you import what you are tryingto keep out.
You need real defense.
You have to have energyindependence because they're
controlling the mass amounts ofenergy and generation of energy,
right?
If we go green, China wins.
We go oil, we have to combatRussia.
And if we don't keep culturalintegration policies in check,
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Iran takes the henhouse with itsglobal antifada.
SPEAKER_01 (10:55):
David.
Stuart, you know, the thing thatwith with what you're we're
we're talking about here, andthis is what these leaders don't
understand.
Politicians play a differentgame than the rest of the world.
Politicians play a game of let'sbe nice, but behind closed doors
we'll stop each other.
But but let's be nice and let'snot attack each other in this
kind of sense, unless we're, youknow, friends don't attack
friends, right?
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And what Donald Trump is saying,guys, at the end of the day,
what are you gonna do?
You're gonna call the UnitedStates to clean up your goddamn
mess.
SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
Yeah, but it's not
friends, it's not friends.
No, no, you you you've you'vesaid something that I think I I
want to just add to real friendstell people what they really
have to hear.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Yeah, but not in
Donald Trump is a real friend of
London, he loves London, hethinks it's a great city because
you don't do it.
I'll tell you why they say theydon't do it in public, Stuart.
It's like you don't air yourdirty laundry in public, you
don't air your dirty laundry inthis sense, and what you're
doing is you're actually makingthese politicians look bad in
their own countries.
And so what they're saying isyou're interfering in our in our
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in our political system.
By you calling me out in public,you're interfering, and that in
reality is true.
It's true.
He is interfering and he iscausing disruption, and you
know, sometimes it works andsometimes it doesn't work.
And like you picked on MikeCarney, yes, little, you know,
Mark Carney is in powerprimarily because Donald Trump
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went and opened his mouth aboutCanada.
This is what these leaders areafraid of that you that Donald
Trump is gonna get themunelected, and they don't want
that.
And so you don't air your dirtylaundry in public and politics,
you do it behind closed doors.
Outside we're friends, insideyou can you can stab me in the
back.
And that's what they're not usedto.
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Trump never cared for diplomacyin that sense.
Trump does deals, like again, Igo back to what I said at the
beginning.
You made a deal with the devil,Erdogan in Turkey, folks in
Qatar.
You're making deals with devils,and everybody's kind of
scratching their heads, going,Why?
Because he's trying to effect achange in a different area.
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And unfortunately, it's got tobe with sometimes with your
enemies and not and not yourallies, especially if your
allies aren't concerned like youare.
Look, what's going on in theMiddle East is a great example.
How many of these leaders stoodby Donald Trump when he came up
to the Gaza Plan?
Well, they all rushed on theirplanes, they all went to Egypt
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and Shal Msheikh, they allwanted to be there, but they
were there reluctantly.
They didn't want to be left outof this historical situation.
That's when Donald Trump is goodbecause he opened the invitation
to everybody to come.
But when he calls them out fortheir failures, now he's the
enemy.
You know, it just shows you thathe is right, that these European
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leaders, overall, notnecessarily one or two, but
these overall leaders are weakand that they are not good for
their countries.
And immigration is a greatexample.
If you don't take care of it,and we talked about this in
previous rents, you're gonnahave security problems, you're
gonna have cultural problems.
You're listening the face ofthese countries have already
changed.
You have seen a mass exodus fromthese countries of certain
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demographics and a certainimmigration from others, and
you're not noticing the changein your country, you're not
noticing the flavor.
Are you afraid to do what'snecessary?
It seems like Donald Trump isn'tafraid, and he's gonna rally
your cages, people.
So either you're gonna, youknow, and if you're gonna want
to say we don't need DonaldTrump, we'll be self-sufficient.
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Well, good luck.
Tell that to your businesscommunity, tell that to your
your you know, your defend youryour military.
We don't need the United States.
Let's see how that goes.
SPEAKER_00 (14:36):
David, on that, I'm
gonna tell you we will have
another episode on Friday.
Any last words, David, before Iplay our groovy music?
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
Nah, nah, just play
it out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
Let's get out of
here.
All right, everybody, we're outof here.
See you later.
Don't let the door hit you witha good Lord split you.
Good Friday is coming.