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December 21, 2023 19 mins

Mo and AZ are joined by Grammy-nominated rapper, singer, and actor Tobe Nwigwe and filmmaker, producer, and screenwriter Bassam Tariq to discuss Alief: what it was like growing up in a suburb of Houston, and its lasting impact on who they are today. Alief (aka “SWAT” - Southwest Alief Texas) also gave the world Beyoncé, Lizzo, and a bunch of other artists and entertainers. Is there something in the water?


Guests: Tobe Nwigwe, Bassam Tariq


ORIGINAL AUDIO PRODUCTION, MUSIC & SOUND DESIGN BY SALT


Executive Produced by Mo Amer, Azhar Usman, Noah Gersh, Jamie Schefman, Nick Panama, Kenzi Wilbur


Head of Creative: Jordan Galvan 


Head of Production: Liz LeMay


Head of Post Production: Robert Adler


Producers: Imran Ali Malik & Aaron Kennedy 


Supervising Producers: Allie Strobel & Alice Bearn


Post Production Supervisor: Aly Honoré


Post Production Coordinator: Jax Raffle 




Edited by: Geoffrey Mutchnik and Aaron Kennedy 


Sound Design and Music by: Matthew Chilelli


Mixed by: Aaron Kennedy 


Recorded by Aaron Kennedy, Zack Djurich and Mario Borgatta 


Guest Booking by Drive Entertainment and Hager Eldaas




Additional music courtesy of Extreme Music.


Joking Not Joking is a Luminary Original, and a co-production between SALT, Legally Homeless, Inc., and Numinous Company, Inc.


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