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Cohabitation before marriage: society seems to tout it as a compatibility litmus test, but what if that's not the whole story? Join Jordan and Kristen as they pull back the curtain on this modern-day relationship rite, sharing personal experiences and societal insights that challenge the perceived wisdom of living together pre-nuptials. We navigate through the complex layers of commitment, contrasting the deep-rooted vows of marriage with the impermanent nature of an unmarried couple's shared domicile. With the aid of intriguing stats and thought-provoking discussion, we aim to present why skipping the home trial might just pave the way for a stronger, more lasting partnership.

As we wrap up this candid episode, we extend a heartfelt thank you to you—our faithful listeners—for journeying with us through these often-taboo topics. Looking ahead, we're preparing to bare our own marital tales of joy and tribulation, an intimate conversation you won't want to miss. Until our paths cross again, remember to seek us out on JordanAndKristen.com, our YouTube channel, and our Spotify offerings for more heartfelt discussions. Keep sending those prayer requests, and as you step into your week, may it brim with grace and the excitement of deepening connections with Jordan and Kristen Ministries.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Alright, good evening everybody.
Welcome to another edition ofthe Jordan and Kristen Records
show.
Tonight we're going to discussliving with your partner before
marriage.
Is it a good idea?
Is it a bad idea?
You can probably figure outwhere we're going with this, by
the way.
It's going to be a bad idea andit's a topic that most churches
or many churches anyway, Ithink are really afraid to
discuss because they're afraidof offending people and they're
afraid of losing their audience.
But you know what?

(00:21):
We only have like 30 followerson YouTube anyway.
So you know, it's not like wehave a whole lot of people lose
here, although I guess maybethat means I should value them
more.
You imagine it took me a longtime to get to 30 followers, man
.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Subscribers, whatever it is.
We appreciate all of you.
Hey, same as plug, like andfollow our YouTube page.
Yeah, seriously, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Alright.
So before we begin Kristen, whydon't you open us up in prayer
here for everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you, jesus.
Thank you for your mercies arenew every morning.
Great is your faithfulness, god, thank you.
Thank you that you just envelopus in your love and your
kindness, god, and no matterwhat we've done or straight off
the path, whether that was aminute ago or a day ago or a
decade ago, god, you areforgiving and loving and you're

(01:03):
putting us back on your path torighteousness.
Thank you, lord, for newbeginnings in this new year.
In Jesus' name, amen.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Alright.
So why are we doing this topic?
Why are we talking about livingwith your partner before
marriage?
Well, I actually don't know ifyou know this, Kristen.
The other day I was in court Iwas prosecuting and I was just
hanging out my little officethere talking to some of the
cops by the way, shout out tothe great police officers all
over the world, but inparticular my friends over in
the Clinton Police Departmentand we were just talking and one

(01:31):
of them was talking aboutliving with his girlfriend and I
happened to mention because Iwanted to interject that you and
I did not live with each otherbefore we got married.
And the guy looked at me likeyou know, I had three heads or
something, which, by the way, Ithink is a lot of the reason
that people do live with theirpartners ahead of time, because
it's that's like the sociallyacceptable thing to do now.
Now, if you don't do that,people look at you like you're

(01:52):
some kind of freak.
But he said well, you know, howdid you know then you were
going to be compatible?
I mean, you know, shouldn't youlive to get live with somebody
ahead of time, to know if youcan live with that person?
And I said listen, man, youdon't get it.
Living with somebody is in noway like a marriage.
Okay, they're not analogous.
There's a big differencebetween being married to

(02:12):
somebody when you're insomething for the long term,
when you're in somethingpermanently and you have issues
and you can't leave and you gotto work through them, versus
you're in this kind ofhalf-hearted
boyfriend-girlfriend thing whereyou're basically just roommates
who sleep with each other, Allright, and you know, if anybody
better happens to come alongwhile the two of you are
together, then you know you'reout the door and you're on to
the next person, All right.

(02:33):
So that was my response to him,and some of the guys like, yeah
, I think that's right.
And other guys were like, well,it's really strange.
I want to get your thoughts onit though, Kristen.
Go ahead Well.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I just thought of something real quick when you
were talking about that.
To me the analogy would be likesaying it's the same thing
Having a child is the same thingas having a nephew and watching
the next nephew over theweekend or, you know, overnight,
or something like that.
It is not.
You're right about thecommitment level being in this
or something mentally differentabout being in it.

(03:03):
And I'll just say from awoman's perspective.
Women, ladies, don't devalueyourself, you know.
I think about another analogy.
I'm just full of analogiestonight.
Like if you go to and listen Ilove shopping at like Marshall's
and TJ Maxx you can get likeon-brand stuff for a lot less.
It's a great thing, but interms of the value of it, it's

(03:26):
like if something is returnedlike a high price item, it
becomes devalued and devaluedand then it's sold at Marshall's
or someplace so you can get ita lot cheaper, right?
Well, you don't want to be thatitem at Marshall's.
You are that priceless pearl,you are that jewel.
But I also want to interjectbefore we go any further and say
we're not being likeself-righteous here and like

(03:46):
pointing the finger at all thepeople right now who are living
together and being like we're somuch better than you.
That's not our attitude.
We want to, you know, help inthis.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, I'm deliberately going out of my way
not to couch it in terms of sin, because I'm not here to tell
you that if you're doing thatyou're a bad person.
I'm here to tell you that ifyou're doing that, you're
putting yourself at a severedisadvantage and you're cheaping
yourself.
I mean, look, the proof is inthe pudding, right?
If living with your partnerahead of time was more likely to

(04:15):
lead to a successful marriage,and we would expect people who
do that to have lower divorcerates, I mean, it's there's a,
there's a simple causality there, right?
Instead, what we see is thatthe divorce rates of people who
live together ahead of time Areeighty percent higher than
people who don't.
Okay, that's not an accident,that's not like you, within
standard deviation, and I thinkpart of the problem is what
you're saying, christen, isyou're cheapening yourself, but

(04:37):
also you're cheapening the veryconcept of your relationship.
You know you're cheapening yourdevaluing the concept of
marriage.
How many times do you hear andwe it's constant where you hear
people say, well, marriage, whatis that?
That's just a piece of paper,right?
You see, these people who'vebeen together for a long time,
when you get married, who cares?
We're basically married.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I don't really understand the whole get engaged
and then we're just engagedindefinitely thing.
If someone can explain that tome, I don't really understand.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Oh yeah, there should definitely be like a we're kind
of off topic, but like astatute of limitations on how
long you can say age for liketwenty years yeah right, there
should be a rule like Once youpropose you have like ninety
days tops to like set areasonable date after which you
can't call yourself engaged more.
But that's a different topic,that's just frivolous talk.
But I mean, I see what you'resaying, but I think there's

(05:26):
something to also the level ofcommitment, like if you, if you
take all like available Singlemen right divide into two groups
people who believe in livingtogether ahead of time and
people who don't well guess what.
The people who don't, as agroup are in general, just gonna
be much more Commitmentoriented, much more responsible.
Those are the people who aresaying I wanna go from dating to

(05:47):
getting married, not people whosay, well, I kinda wanna do
like you know the semi adultthing you hear the term now
adulting.
Let's live together, but notwith, not what will pretend
we're married but without thecommitment, which is, you know,
basically saying we have thiswater here, but it's not what
the marriage without thecommitment is.
The is the antithesis ofmarriage, because marriage is

(06:08):
the commitment right toconstantly to becoming One being
.
And when you're just livingwith somebody like that and
you're lacking the commitment,you're giving yourself a false
sense of what the marriage is,while at the same time you're
cheaping the very concept of ityeah, it's such a special thing.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
it's kinda it's funny because you and I were not
totally long distance, but wewere an hour and fifteen minutes
away from each other when wedated, which meant we only saw
each other on weekends and thenface time the rest of the week
I'm in.
The reason I'm giving that muchdetail is the people I had
dated before you.
I saw a lot of them like everysingle day, and with you I saw

(06:43):
you probably the least ofanybody I had dated, and yet I
knew god you were the one for meand that god had put in my path
and I.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Could there be any doubt compared to the guys you
did?
Of course, you dated half theeast coast, so hey, now, you
were too slow, I'm glad you weretoo.
You wanted me to be selected.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I prayed.
I prayed.
God answers prayers like lord.
Please help him to stay single.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I didn't mean that single, but that's very single
for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I was like, why didn't you do it?
No, but seriously, like I knewthat was what was so special.
We went from just seeing eachother on weekends but I knew
you're the one for me.
And then when we got marriedand we were together twenty four
, seven, it was.
It's just not only just feltright, it was right, but it was.
We got to grow into thisintimacy beyond physical

(07:39):
intimacy through living together.
There's another level.
It takes a special as you livewith somebody and you have what
is the wedding ceremony then?
For you know, it's just likeit's.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You're already not just that, but if you think
about our relationship, from themoment we met we were entirely
marriage oriented, okay, whereasI think so many people today
they kind of.
It's one thing to tip toe intoa relationship, but it's quite
something else to keep it on areally kind of superficial level
where you just you know You'renot really moving the ball
forward to getting married.

(08:11):
And what a lot of people Ithink are doing just by living
with each other is they'retrying to enjoy the benefits of
marriage or what they think thebenefits of marriage are.
They don't know what it is.
The real benefit of marriage iswaking up every morning knowing
that the person next to you isgonna be there the next morning
to, okay, but you're pretendingto be married, alright, without
really getting the benefits ofit.
And look, it's if, if you justone of these people who just you

(08:34):
know what to go from, you knowhalf hearted, totally vacuous
medium term relationships one tothe next, that's fine, and we
know people like that and youknow I'm in my forties now and
so I've seen the people whorefuse to grow up and they get
in this pattern of living withthis person, with that person,
with the next person right, allostensibly because you're trying

(08:55):
them on for size or whatever,and before you know what your
forty, five years old, yourpeter pan, you just never
growing up or your older thanthat, and so, yeah, it's just.
It's just this product of thisculture that basically is is
prolonging maturity.
You know it used to be.
People got nothing.
We should do this.
But you speak to, people gotmarried, twenty, other getting

(09:15):
married closer to thirty, andnow fewer and fewer people are
getting married.
The marriage rate has been cutin half.
And you wonder why.
You know, we have all of thesevery superficial relationships
and people don't know how tolove each other, even even love
themselves.
Well, it's because we're not,really we're not treating this,
you know, like we're notaccepting the responsibility
that comes with a relationship.

(09:36):
Okay, it's not just fun, it'snot just your love with this
person.
You're having a good time, it'saccepting the responsibility of
it.
That's the great Benefit to it,not the cost.
It's the great benefit to isthe responsibility.
So it's not something we shouldbe afraid of, it's something
that we need to embrace.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
And I think it's like going through the trenches with
someone, going through seasonsof life with someone, and when
you're dating, that would, justbecause you're living with
someone, they can put their bestfoot forward.
They can still hide things ifyou're, don't kid yourself.
If you're living with someone,you're not, they can change, you
know, when you get married.

(10:12):
So it's not like, oh, it's suchan advantage that way, but
that's not it's to say when youare married, yes, you can just,
off course, barrier entire soulto that person and be vulnerable
, but you always want, as awoman, ladies, you always want
the man to want to pursue, youalways want to keep the romance
in your relationship, man orwoman.
You always want to not takethat person for granted.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know yeah, it also.
I think and I'll give you thelast word Part of the problem is
by having these sort of pseudomarriages, these quasi marriages
, it brings you to sort of levelof intimacy with somebody that
you really can't share with thatmany people.
I mean, I hate to state theobvious, I'm not talking about
dating somebody, okay, but it'slike if you're in like a quasi
marriage with this person andthe next person, the third,

(10:55):
person.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The fourth person.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, you think that by the time you find the person
you're supposed to be with andmaybe you already had you missed
it that you know you're gonnabe able to have the same kind of
relationship with.
With that one person, you'resomething to be able to hit the
gas and turn on and those otherrelationships won't be brought
with you into that, I mean,you're compromising your ability
have a meaningful, profoundrelationship with the person
you're supposed to that is right.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
So the bottom line, the moral the story is don't
look.
If you're thinking about livingwith someone before marriage,
don't do it.
And if you have done it, or ifyou feel like, oh no, I've
wasted, god can restore what wasbroken and you are beautiful
and you are a priceless pearland that you are valuable in his
sight.
So I want to just let end onthat note.

(11:38):
Well, dear Jesus, thank you,lord, that we are so valuable to
you, thank you that you, we,are that priceless pearl.
God and and I know I saidbecause I'm a woman, I'm talking
to the ladies, but to the men,to.
They need to know that they arevalued and loved.
And God, we just, we just honoryou and thank you for who, who

(11:58):
we are in you and and what youenable us to do through your
spirit and God.
We look to you for everythingwe need, in Jesus name.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Alright, guys, thanks for joining us, will be back
again next week.
We're gonna start talking aboutmistakes we made in our
marriage and also things wedefinitely got right in our
marriage.
I hope you join us next weekand send.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Send us prayer request.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Check out the website Jordan and christencom sorry,
jordan and christencom or checkout our YouTube page Jordan and
christen ministries on YouTube,and also you can check us out in
Spotify.
Ok, guys, alright, have a greatweek.
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