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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.
Good evening everybody.
Thanks for joining us.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Jordan and Kristen Records
show.
Tonight's topic can a marriagesurvive adultery?
And perhaps an even moreimportant question should a
marriage survive adultery?
All right, but before we get tothat weighty issue, kristen,
why don't you pray for everybody?
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Lord, we thank you
that, as we talk about this
issue tonight, lord, that wehave all sinned and fallen short
of the glory.
We have all been unfaithful toyou at some point or another.
But, god, you love us and youdraw us into you.
And, lord, you are so forgivingand loving and you want no
separation between us and you.
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Lord, thank you that you havedrawn us back in and you tore
the veil when you paid theultimate price for our sin.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Interesting prayer.
There I noticed that you'retying an analogy between
unfaithfulness in marriage tounfaithfulness spiritually.
Why'd you go with that?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know it was on
when you said we were going to
do this topic.
It was on my mind.
I believe it's Hosea right,that talks about.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
it's basically a we
just looked this up three
minutes ago.
I believe it's Hosea.
You know it's Hosea, it wasjust on the screen.
You asked me to look it up foryou.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I was like is it
Hosea, Is it Hosea?
I don't know why I'm like that.
Hosea, Hosea, no Hosea.
But anyway, God recalled, putthat on my heart.
I remember studying that wholechapter, that whole book, rather
, and it's just amazing how it'sthis analogy of this wife
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that's been unfaithful and Hoseagoes after her and pursues her
even though she's beenunfaithful, and there's a
reconciliation there and that'ssupposed to be also the
relationship God's drawing abigger point between himself and
us.
Though we are unfaithful,though we have been in our sin,
God comes after us.
So we have been the onecommitting adultery, but God
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comes after us, and someone'sgonna take like a snippet of
that, the Jordan and Christianshow.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We have been the one
committing adultery, thank you.
Hosea is a really interestingbook, by the way, because the
way it opens is actually Godtells Hosea to go marry the most
promiscuous woman he could find.
Yeah, yeah, it's like too manypeople would jump at that
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know it's like no,
do not, do not.
God does not say that's Heal us.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
All right.
So here's the deal withtonight's topic.
So, as some of you know, I'm adivorce attorney, which is a
heck of a thing to be whenyou're also trying to run a
Christian ministry here, andI've struggled with that, as you
know, kristen, and the best Ican do is, you know, god needs
bright lights and dark places,and so that's why I continue to
do this now for this season ofmy life.
One of the things that you findout very quickly is that
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adultery is, if not a uniformcause, at least a highly common
denominator in almost everydivorce.
I think we've seen statistics,kristen, you and I something
like 70% of marriages citeadultery as a reason for divorce
.
I think 75% say it's lack ofcommitment, although, you know,
certainly adultery is a form oflack of commitment.
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And so the question becomes ifthis has happened in a Christian
household, okay, can thatmarriage survive the adultery,
and should it?
And I think, christen, thefirst thing I say is as far as
can it survive?
It really depends on what youmean by survive.
First of all, by survive, youmean not get divorced.
I mean that's a pretty lowthreshold of survival, right,
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like?
Okay.
In a Christian household, yes,someone can commit adultery and
it might not necessarily resultin divorce.
But again, is that really?
Are you really married at thatpoint?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, this is a very
gray area, you, there's there's
certain topics that it's notjust black and white, yes or no,
right, obviously, we know thatGod, without a doubt, there is
Reconciliation, that God that wesin and fall short and we put
it at the foot of the cross.
So, if someone has committedadultery, and they but see that
there's the first key, they comeforward with a willing heart
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Crying out to God and to theirspouse Can that marriage survive
?
Can it be reconciled?
Absolutely?
That's the power of the gospel.
Now, that also doesn't mean,though, it's without
consequences, okay, that bysaying something can survive and
there are consequences.
You know, there's there's a lotof gray areas, and it's it's
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not just black and white, and Ithink it depends on a lot of
different things.
First of all, let's defineadultery, because, in my mind,
as a Christian, you know,adultery there's a lot of
different levels.
I mean, you could, I wouldargue, of course, you know, I
know there are different thingsthat people identify as adultery
.
But pornography, that's, that'sa type of adultery.
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Cyber texting, relationships,that kind of flirting, and then,
of course, you know, we knowthings are more severe the
physical relationship.
But there are different typesof adultery, you, know, I'm glad
you mentioned the wordconsequences.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean one of my
favorite things that Joel Osteen
said one time, as he said youknow, you can spend 10 years
building up a relationship anddestroy it in 10 seconds just
with careless words.
Just with words.
And people will, you know,forgive you but they will never
forget the way that you madethem feel.
If words have that power,imagine how much power those
deeds have.
You know, I believe inrestoration, I believe what the
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Bible says as far as if anyoneis in crises, a new creation and
I believe God forgives us.
But that doesn't mean that Godalways rescues us from the
consequences of our actions.
And an example I like to give,because I have a history in
criminal law Not beingprosecuted, but actually I
should say I have a backgroundin the practice of criminal law.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh boy, a lot of
things taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
If you commit a crime
, for example, especially a
serious crime, you can repent ofit and get God's forgiveness.
That doesn't mean that you'renow not gonna go to jail for it.
I mean there's stillconsequences that and you know,
if you've committed adultery inyour marriage.
I want to just mention what Imean by that in a second, even
if I Believe God can doimpossible things, but part of
the impossible things you're nowasking God to do is Restore
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trust.
It's it's not just theforgiveness for the act, which
is one subset of the problem,okay, it's, it's actually
restoring trust.
And you want to talk aboutadultery.
We think of adultery just tobuild on what you said as
cheating on your spouse.
If you have kids, you'recheating on them too.
I would even go so far as Ieven if you don't have kids,
you're even cheating on the kidsyou were destined to have.
If that's what, if that's whatGod's purpose you to do.
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I was talking to um, a goodfriend of mine, the other day
and this is not heat.
We weren't talking aboutadultery in this context.
We're just talking about, youknow, fatherhood and things like
that, and we were talking aboutthe best thing you can do as a
father for your children.
I just got his opinion becauseyou know we don't have kids yet
and he doesn't.
I said, well, in your opinion,what's what's the best thing
that you, as a father, can giveyour children?
Because he, this guy, would diefor his kids.
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And he said I give them my time.
I said, you know, I don't knowif that's right, that's a good
answer, but I think the bestthing you can give your children
, if you really love them, is aloving marriage with you and
your wife, because, first of all, that's what they want more
than anything else and, secondly, that's what they need more
than anything else, not just todevelop because, but because you
want them to be able to learnhow to love someone else too and
and love themselves.
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And when, when you commitadultery, you're not just
sitting against your wife oryour husband, you're sitting
against them, you're sittingagainst your kids, you're
sitting against God obviouslyyour body's temple of God and
you're sitting against yourself.
It's a lack of self-respectalso.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I remember theother day you and I were talking
how I Forgot how we got on thistopic.
I think it was somebody inministry who had committed
adultery and we were like howcould that happen?
You know, you and you said tome, we were both like I would
never cheat on you, you'd nevercheat on me, and you stop for a
second, much I thought was sowise.
You said to me, said you knowwhat?
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That's very prideful and that'show the enemy gets us in places
, because you and I havesafeguards in places and it's
like you need those safeguards,of course, in in terms of like,
even in your profession, youroffice, even from not being
framed for something, of course,but even for just on a
spiritual level, because theenemy's looking for any little,
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little little wedge that he canget.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah and I need to
clarify that, because what I was
, what I was trying to emphasizewith that, is that I gotta be
careful with my words here.
But One of the ways that theenemy gets at you is you.
You convince yourself.
I would never fall into such athing you just say.
You just say that like like theenemy's never seen this before.
Okay, and there is a certainarrogance and certain pride to
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it.
So if you're saying yourself,well, I would never cheat on my
life, okay, that's fine, that'sgreat.
Tell me why that wouldn'thappen.
Tell me what safeguards youhave in place to make sure
doesn't happen.
Okay, you know, because ifyou're, if you're here's an
example the person who says I'dnever cheated on my wife and yet
they're working late hours atthe office, maybe by themselves,
new with it with you know otherwomen, or something like that.
Or they're having you knowthey're just sending, they're
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texting on their phone all daylong or talking the phone all
that long to women who arefriends of theirs.
Having you know a secret emailexchanges, and maybe it's
innocent, but you know, ifyou're, if you're doing all
those things, it's like, it'skind of like you know.
If you imagine you being in anarena where you know there's
these gates and inside each ofthese gates there are tigers,
and it's like, well, each you'reopening each of those gates and
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maybe the tiger hasn't come outto eat you yet, but it's like
you're leaving those gates openone little thing, one little.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Look it's a slow fade
like oh sure.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And then and then you
get.
You get into a situation wheremaybe you know you guys share an
emotional experience.
Maybe it was meant to beinnocent, but somebody needs
something and or somethinghappens.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Your wife ticks you
off and does something, and that
, and that's what the enemy does.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The enemy does this
in layers.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's like her husband
takes you up.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, right, no, but
that's what the enemy does.
It in layers where it's likeokay, maybe things aren't going
well in your home life.
You know, we've gotten to anargument with your wife and
maybe you you're overtiredanyway you didn't sleep well.
Maybe you're, you know you'renot as strong because maybe
you're getting over even a coldor something.
And now you know here'ssomebody else and and doesn't
even start as anything asanything wrong.
But then Minor compromisesalong the way Okay, mine, and
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when you, mine, are lowering ofbarriers along the way can lead
to major, major failures male orfemale, I mean, how many of us.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We put so many
safeguards in place and things
still, things to do.
You know what.
You know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, you know, it's
like remember and this is I'm
not saying this, be funny but doyou remember when, a few months
ago, that submarine was lost?
Yeah, it was just.
Yes, what destroyed thatsubmarine was the tiniest of
fractures, a micro fracture, buton the outside of the submarine
was was tons and tons ofpressures.
And what people try to do isthey they have a tiny micro
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fracture in there in their armor, but then they put you know,
they watch movies they shouldn'twatch.
They hang out with people thatshouldn't watch.
By the way, do you know thedivorce rate is much higher
among people whose friends aredivorced, because when you're
around people like that, whenyou're around people who you
know are are not living the wayyou want to live.
Guess what it leeches into yourlife?
And so people they you surroundyourself with, maybe people who
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you shouldn't and and imagesthat you shouldn't and watching
movies that you Shouldn't andtelevision shows that you
shouldn't, make a bunch of thesesmall compromises.
Over time the pressure buildsup and it's the tiniest micro
fracture that can cause thewhole thing to explode.
So when I was saying before,it's not enough to say I'd never
cheat on my wife, you say whywould I never cheat on my wife?
Well, a because I love her.
B because I have the power ofprice to me, but see, because
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I've established a lifestylechoice and behaviors and
safeguards to keep that far awayfrom me.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And let me tell you,
you got to be prayed up every
single day, and I'm speaking tous and to everybody.
You got to be prayed up byYourself, you got to be prayed
up with your spouse, because theenemy is searching for not only
adultery but the searchly.
You know that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I think the answer
is a Christian marriage.
If there is adultery.
God can still perform miracles,and we would never want to
limit God's power.
But, all things being equal,you know, there's always saying
that an ounce of prevention isworth, you know, more than the
pound of the cure.
And so, all things being goes,probably best not to do it in
the first place and to have torely on a miracle there you go.
I was gonna say don't do it ifyou're thinking of it, if you
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have got there's honestly,honestly, and if a Christian
marriage fails because of that,I have a hard time blaming the
person who doesn't want tocontinue with it.
I mean that's a longerdiscussion, but but it's a.
It's a tough one.
So, all right, chris, in thelast 10 seconds, call to
salvation, go.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
If you are listening to thisand you've never accepted Jesus
as your Lord and Savior, or it'sbeen like 30 years or 30
minutes, whatever and you?
The point is is, if you want toaccept Jesus as your truly Lord
and Savior, just repeat afterme.
Dear Jesus, I Admit that I havesinned.
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I Ask you into my heart, I Makeyou my Lord and Savior.
Forgive me of my sins in Jesusname.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Amen.
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Speaker 2 (12:46):
Bye you.