November 28, 2023 • 13 mins
Ever wrestled with the jagged edges of forgiveness? You're not alone. On this week's episode, we're pulling back the curtain on this challenging concept with the same warmth and laughter you've come to love us for. Kicking off with Kristen's heartfelt prayer for anyone experiencing tough times, we're reminded that even in the face of uncertainty, there's strength to be found in God's love.
Strap in for a thought-provoking journey where we explore the bumps and bruises that come with practicing forgiveness. We question the depth of our own forgiveness when past grievances rear their ugly heads and propose a different perspective - could forgiveness be a decision rather than an emotion? We'll discuss the physical and emotional toll associated with the process of forgiving, and why it's so essential for our wellbeing. Join us in this intimate conversation, as we share, learn, and grow together. You'll want to be part of this enlightening discussion, trust us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good news everybody.
It's that time of week again.
It's time, once again, for theJordan and Kristen record show.
I am way too excited for this.
For some reason I've had nocaffeine, but I am ready to go.
I know, every Tuesday at nineo'clock, when we go off the air,
our listeners are justinconsolable.
They miss our friendly,familiar voices.
They count down the days andthe hours and the minutes until
(00:22):
we're on again.
They listen to our podcast overand over again just to hear
those familiar voices.
Well, good news.
Your week long wait is over,and we got a great show for you
tonight.
Our topic is actually going tobe the importance of forgiveness
.
Before we get to that, though,kristen, can you please pray for
everybody in the audience?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I'm picturing like the fireside chats in the
40s Everybody's waiting by theirradio and I think that is what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That would be like FDR's fireside chat, if he had
way too much espresso before hedid it.
I know this is a regular speech.
Do you guys in FDR announcingthe attack on Pearl Harbor like
that?
No, well, good eveningeverybody.
The Japanese have attachedtoday a date that will live an
end for me.
Go ahead, kristen.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's really like sped up.
This is not sped up, this isactual speech.
Well, thank you, lord, that youlove for us to have fun.
You are the joy that is ourstrength.
God and Lord, I just pray forsomeone right now who's going
through a rough time, who just,it has, feels like they have no
direction or no way to turn.
Lord, help them to know thatyou are with them and you have
ordered their steps.
(01:24):
Lord, and I pray for all of usto just lean into you, to what
you have to say.
Lord, you are speaking to us.
Help us to hear you in thewhisper and just go deeper into
your presence and understandmore of your character and who
you are, because when we knowwho we are in you, lord, then we
will not doubt.
We will not doubt what you cando in our lives, lord, and we
(01:45):
just thank you, lord, so muchfor all the plans that you have
to prosper us and not to harm us.
In Jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Excellent job, baby.
You are, by the way, a gorgeouswoman.
Did I ever tell you that?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh well, this is why you are my husband successfully.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I just wanted to preface the conversation with
that, because you said youwanted today's episode to be
about forgiveness, and so I'mjust hoping that this is because
I've done something thatrequires forgiveness.
No, no.
Have I told you how beautifulyou are, by the way?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Then that works every time.
By the way, Guys guys, don'tforget that, that that it really
does work.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, that and paying for a vacation yes always helps
.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, you don't know, it has nothing to do with you,
but I was thinking.
It's not you, it's me.
I was thinking today and thisweek a lot about forgiveness and
just how hard it is and, if I'mbeing honest with myself, I
don't feel like I'm successfulsometimes in forgiving.
I feel like I say I've forgiven, and then it comes up over and
(02:46):
over and I'm like I never gaveit to the Lord, I just buried it
.
I buried the hurt, I buried theanger, and now catalysts comes
along and boom, the top comesoff.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think part of the issue is what you said there.
I don't feel.
I think too often people thinkof forgiveness as an emotion as
opposed to a decision.
Right, because if somebodyhurts us, let's say, even
physically, that bruise is stillgoing to be there, right?
And I think sometimes peoplejust feel like they can't
forgive somebody because theysay, well, I don't understand, I
(03:17):
said I forgive this person.
In my mind, I'm saying Iforgive this person, but I still
feel that pain, I still feelthe anxiety, I still feel the
depression, maybe even the angertowards that person, and I
guess I just can't do it.
And and my message to themwould be no, no, no, no, no.
You can do it, but it's notalways instantaneous, especially
if it's something, it'ssomething deep, and I think
that's really, you know, I thinkwhy you have to go to the Lord
with it, but also understandthat, like so many things, it's
(03:40):
a process.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You're right and I love how you had said about it
you can't look at it as anobligation, because then you
won't really do it, because Ifeel like that's see, that
that's the hard thing.
You know, people always sayremove toxic people from your
life or people who are not youknow it is it is.
It's definitely good advice,right.
But what if it's some?
But it's complicated sometimes.
(04:01):
What if it's a person you can'tremove?
What if it's a family memberthat you have to see?
Sometimes that's for a lot ofpeople, that's, that's a reality
that there are, and then thosepeople hurt.
If you get in a situation whereyou have to see this person
over and over and you're gettinghurt over and over again, how
do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
as far as you know what you said about it, or even
if you don't, have to see themif somebody has, you know,
abused you, even if it's maybethe person's not even alive
anymore.
Maybe you know you grew up in ahousehold where your father was
abusive to you, maybe he died 20years ago and you don't have to
see him anymore, but you'restill living with that pain and
I think what you have tounderstand is forgiveness isn't
transactional, it's not and it'snot a task that God imposes on
(04:44):
you because he just likes togive you difficult, unpleasant
things to do.
It's an opportunity, right?
It's not, don't think of it somuch as an obligation, but an
opportunity to to tell thatperson you don't get to live in
my head anymore.
Okay, I forgive you means Idon't.
I don't hold on to your anxiety, to the depression, to the
(05:04):
anger anymore, because I don'twant you to control my life
anymore.
It's no different.
I think I told you.
It's it to me.
It's no different than if youhad a tumor in you and a doctor
said okay, well, good news.
We can we can remove thissurgically forgiveness, is that
surgical knife?
Okay, you wouldn't say well,you know, I'm not going to do
that, I'd rather hold on to thetumor, that's ridiculous.
You would say, okay, yes, Iaccept, this is what has to
(05:26):
happen, and you'd go forwardwith the procedure, and that's
what.
That's really what forgivenessis.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Absolutely.
And when you said about if it'sbeen a person that so many
people live with, things I knowI have were words that were
spoken to me as a child bysomeone on a playground, I'm
like why am I still allowingthat to be a record in my head,
you know, or you just live withthose things?
You need to get those thingsout and like that, that
cancerous tumor, or if it issomebody you've had missed that
(05:53):
opportunity to forgive, likethey have have passed away.
I heard a girl tell me that shehad her father had passed away
and she said but I was stillable to forgive him and God
still gave me that freedom, eventhough that person passed away.
It's God gives you that, thoseopportunities you know.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I think sometimes we don't take
advantage of the opportunity.
I was going to say sometimesother people don't, but I'm
going to throw myself in there.
Because why the heck not?
Because if someone's hurt youand you don't forgive them, it's
like you have this built-inexcuse for immaturity, for
behaving badly.
Sometimes it built an excusefor self-righteousness.
Sometimes you see people I meanyou and I both know people who
(06:30):
are like full-grown adults, whonever move forward in life
because they have to play likethe victim and everything, and
they'd rather hold on to that,to feeling like a victim, than
they would to just get pastwhatever it was that was done to
them and to actually, like youknow, step into their calling.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, it's not even okay for me.
But bringing it back to thepersonal experience, the
situations that are hard toforgive to me are not even
feeling well, I guess, in a way,yeah, feeling like a victim,
but it's more like feeling likea doormat, like the enemy has me
so lied to that I feel like ifI forgive this person, or I just
am in this area of feelingshame, which we know is not from
(07:07):
God and I just feel like adoormat, you know, and God has
never called me to feel that waybecause he's the lion.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, what happens, I think, a lot of times is when
you're hurt, you get angry atsomebody, and angry is one of
those emotions.
Anger is one of those emotionsthat makes you feel very
powerful, and so you don't likeyou're saying, you don't want to
feel like a doormat.
If I forgive the person, I'drather hold on to my anger
because now I feel like I havepower over that person and when
it's actually the opposite isthat person has power over you?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You're right, because , and that's the thing vengeance
is mine, says the Lord.
So he validates my hurt and hevalidates all that I'm feeling.
But that's the thing ofbringing it to him, because he's
the lion, yes, he's the lamb,yes, he's the comforter, but
he's not happy when someonehurts his precious one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You are his precious one, I'm his precious one, our
listeners are his precious one,and he's that lion.
He's going to take care of it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The Bible says touch not mine anointed and do my
prophets no harm, so don't worryabout that, I take some.
When God says vengeance, ismine what he's not saying to you
vengeance, is this really funthing that you don't get to
enjoy?
I'll enjoy it.
Right, as though God reallytakes some enjoyment in
inflicting punishment on theselittle creatures like we are.
(08:20):
In fact, what he's saying is I'mgoing to take the burden of
vengeance off of you.
Don't trouble yourself withthat, don't come out of your joy
.
You keep being you.
I'll bear this cross for you.
That's what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and you know what I think to myself when I
think of what I have to forgive.
I think about people, likeduring the Holocaust, who had to
forgive.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's real stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Forgive the family members, to forgive excuse me
the people responsible forkilling their family members and
show Christ in that way, andthat person came to the Lord.
I think of that all the time.
That is always something in mymind of like OK, if God, the
Holy Spirit, can enable someoneto forgive through that
(09:00):
situation, then I can forgive inwhat I have to forgive, Right.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, let me give you some medicine here for people
who might be at home strugglingwith forgiveness.
I'll give you a method you cantry If you are having difficulty
forgiving somebody.
Find something that you've donewrong, something that you need
forgiveness for, and go askforgiveness for that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, yeah, but isn't that the hardest thing to
forgive ourselves?
But?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
there's.
Yeah, that's true, but I'm nottalking about figuring yourself,
I mean someone you've wrong.
Oh yeah, because one of theprinciples I've noticed in
Christianity is a lot of times,in order to give something, you
have to get it, and so what Iwould say is go get forgiveness
for yourself for something thatyou've done wrong.
Ok, think of this.
Shouldn't be hard, becauseevery day we do things that we
can apologize for, absolutely.
Go apologize to somebody elsefor something you've done wrong.
(09:46):
Maybe you haven't even thoughtabout it, maybe they haven't
thought about it.
Get forgiveness from thatperson.
When you get forgiveness fromthat person, it's easier for you
then to give forgiveness toanother person.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's for sure.
And I just want to say to theperson who feels you know we all
have different personalitystyles.
If you feel like you asked forforgiveness and somebody has
withheld that forgiveness fromyou, you are again back to the
doormat thing.
You're not called.
Yes, god convicts us, but thenGod forgives you and you can do
what you can do to say you'resorry and reconcile the
(10:18):
situation and understand certainsituations take times and
there's a process and thatforgiveness.
But you shouldn't have to feellike you are now forever in this
state of you can never beforgiven, that it is done.
You ask God for forgiveness andyou go to the person If it all
appropriate, depending on thesituation.
(10:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If it all appropriate , depending on the situation.
Yeah, that's a good way to sayit.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, isn't it?
You know true that there aregreat areas and there's.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
God calls for us to apologize, but he doesn't call
for us to grovel.
Okay, there's a big differencethere.
So when you've done your part,you've asked for forgiveness.
At that point it's on them, andif they're not going to give it
to you, that's fine.
That's between you and God, andGod forgives you and you just
go on with your joy.
All right, chris, in the lastminute we have, do me a favor
and pray for all these goodpeople, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yes, oh, lord, you validate us.
You never dismiss us.
Other people may overlook us,other people may make us feel
certain ways, but that's just it.
It's just a feeling, andfeelings come and go, but, god,
you are constant and your lovefor us and our identity in you,
that's the thing.
That's for sure.
That is what is definitely setin stone, god.
(11:30):
Help us, help us, god, you knowit's a test for us sometimes,
lord, to forgive, but we havebeen forgiven.
Thank you for your forgiveness,lord, and help us to live in
victory as we forgive and to seethings through your eyes, which
I believe is the real key here.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be
shown mercy.
Isn't that part of the attitude?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, like seeing
things through God's eyes, helpsa lot.
Sometimes you'll see adifferent perspective for the
person too.
Excellent point.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
All right, guys.
Well, listen.
I hope you enjoyed this episode.
I hope it was useful to you.
Thanks, as always, for joiningus.
We'll see you next week.
Try not to get too upset now.
We're going to be right back.
You always watch the podcast.
If you miss us too much, allright, anyway, we'll see you in
a week.
Until then, as always, beblessed and be a blessing.
Love you.
Good news everybody.
It's that time of week again.
It's time, once again, for theJordan and Kristen record show.
I am way too excited for this.
For some reason I've had nocaffeine, but I am ready to go.
I know, every Tuesday at nineo'clock, when we go off the air,
our listeners are justinconsolable.
They miss our friendly,familiar voices.
They count down the days andthe hours and the minutes until
(00:22):
we're on again.
They listen to our podcast overand over again just to hear
those familiar voices.
Well, good news.
Your week long wait is over,and we got a great show for you
tonight.
Our topic is actually going tobe the importance of forgiveness
.
Before we get to that, though,kristen, can you please pray for
everybody in the audience?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I'm picturing like the fireside chats in the
40s Everybody's waiting by theirradio and I think that is what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That would be like FDR's fireside chat, if he had
way too much espresso before hedid it.
I know this is a regular speech.
Do you guys in FDR announcingthe attack on Pearl Harbor like
that?
No, well, good eveningeverybody.
The Japanese have attachedtoday a date that will live an
end for me.
Go ahead, kristen.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's really like sped up.
This is not sped up, this isactual speech.
Well, thank you, lord, that youlove for us to have fun.
You are the joy that is ourstrength.
God and Lord, I just pray forsomeone right now who's going
through a rough time, who just,it has, feels like they have no
direction or no way to turn.
Lord, help them to know thatyou are with them and you have
ordered their steps.
(01:24):
Lord, and I pray for all of usto just lean into you, to what
you have to say.
Lord, you are speaking to us.
Help us to hear you in thewhisper and just go deeper into
your presence and understandmore of your character and who
you are, because when we knowwho we are in you, lord, then we
will not doubt.
We will not doubt what you cando in our lives, lord, and we
(01:45):
just thank you, lord, so muchfor all the plans that you have
to prosper us and not to harm us.
In Jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Excellent job, baby.
You are, by the way, a gorgeouswoman.
Did I ever tell you that?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh well, this is why you are my husband successfully.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I just wanted to preface the conversation with
that, because you said youwanted today's episode to be
about forgiveness, and so I'mjust hoping that this is because
I've done something thatrequires forgiveness.
No, no.
Have I told you how beautifulyou are, by the way?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Then that works every time.
By the way, Guys guys, don'tforget that, that that it really
does work.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, that and paying for a vacation yes always helps
.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, you don't know, it has nothing to do with you,
but I was thinking.
It's not you, it's me.
I was thinking today and thisweek a lot about forgiveness and
just how hard it is and, if I'mbeing honest with myself, I
don't feel like I'm successfulsometimes in forgiving.
I feel like I say I've forgiven, and then it comes up over and
(02:46):
over and I'm like I never gaveit to the Lord, I just buried it
.
I buried the hurt, I buried theanger, and now catalysts comes
along and boom, the top comesoff.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think part of the issue is what you said there.
I don't feel.
I think too often people thinkof forgiveness as an emotion as
opposed to a decision.
Right, because if somebodyhurts us, let's say, even
physically, that bruise is stillgoing to be there, right?
And I think sometimes peoplejust feel like they can't
forgive somebody because theysay, well, I don't understand, I
(03:17):
said I forgive this person.
In my mind, I'm saying Iforgive this person, but I still
feel that pain, I still feelthe anxiety, I still feel the
depression, maybe even the angertowards that person, and I
guess I just can't do it.
And and my message to themwould be no, no, no, no, no.
You can do it, but it's notalways instantaneous, especially
if it's something, it'ssomething deep, and I think
that's really, you know, I thinkwhy you have to go to the Lord
with it, but also understandthat, like so many things, it's
(03:40):
a process.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You're right and I love how you had said about it
you can't look at it as anobligation, because then you
won't really do it, because Ifeel like that's see, that
that's the hard thing.
You know, people always sayremove toxic people from your
life or people who are not youknow it is it is.
It's definitely good advice,right.
But what if it's some?
But it's complicated sometimes.
(04:01):
What if it's a person you can'tremove?
What if it's a family memberthat you have to see?
Sometimes that's for a lot ofpeople, that's, that's a reality
that there are, and then thosepeople hurt.
If you get in a situation whereyou have to see this person
over and over and you're gettinghurt over and over again, how
do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
as far as you know what you said about it, or even
if you don't, have to see themif somebody has, you know,
abused you, even if it's maybethe person's not even alive
anymore.
Maybe you know you grew up in ahousehold where your father was
abusive to you, maybe he died 20years ago and you don't have to
see him anymore, but you'restill living with that pain and
I think what you have tounderstand is forgiveness isn't
transactional, it's not and it'snot a task that God imposes on
(04:44):
you because he just likes togive you difficult, unpleasant
things to do.
It's an opportunity, right?
It's not, don't think of it somuch as an obligation, but an
opportunity to to tell thatperson you don't get to live in
my head anymore.
Okay, I forgive you means Idon't.
I don't hold on to your anxiety, to the depression, to the
(05:04):
anger anymore, because I don'twant you to control my life
anymore.
It's no different.
I think I told you.
It's it to me.
It's no different than if youhad a tumor in you and a doctor
said okay, well, good news.
We can we can remove thissurgically forgiveness, is that
surgical knife?
Okay, you wouldn't say well,you know, I'm not going to do
that, I'd rather hold on to thetumor, that's ridiculous.
You would say, okay, yes, Iaccept, this is what has to
(05:26):
happen, and you'd go forwardwith the procedure, and that's
what.
That's really what forgivenessis.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Absolutely.
And when you said about if it'sbeen a person that so many
people live with, things I knowI have were words that were
spoken to me as a child bysomeone on a playground, I'm
like why am I still allowingthat to be a record in my head,
you know, or you just live withthose things?
You need to get those thingsout and like that, that
cancerous tumor, or if it issomebody you've had missed that
(05:53):
opportunity to forgive, likethey have have passed away.
I heard a girl tell me that shehad her father had passed away
and she said but I was stillable to forgive him and God
still gave me that freedom, eventhough that person passed away.
It's God gives you that, thoseopportunities you know.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I think sometimes we don't take
advantage of the opportunity.
I was going to say sometimesother people don't, but I'm
going to throw myself in there.
Because why the heck not?
Because if someone's hurt youand you don't forgive them, it's
like you have this built-inexcuse for immaturity, for
behaving badly.
Sometimes it built an excusefor self-righteousness.
Sometimes you see people I meanyou and I both know people who
(06:30):
are like full-grown adults, whonever move forward in life
because they have to play likethe victim and everything, and
they'd rather hold on to that,to feeling like a victim, than
they would to just get pastwhatever it was that was done to
them and to actually, like youknow, step into their calling.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, it's not even okay for me.
But bringing it back to thepersonal experience, the
situations that are hard toforgive to me are not even
feeling well, I guess, in a way,yeah, feeling like a victim,
but it's more like feeling likea doormat, like the enemy has me
so lied to that I feel like ifI forgive this person, or I just
am in this area of feelingshame, which we know is not from
(07:07):
God and I just feel like adoormat, you know, and God has
never called me to feel that waybecause he's the lion.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, what happens, I think, a lot of times is when
you're hurt, you get angry atsomebody, and angry is one of
those emotions.
Anger is one of those emotionsthat makes you feel very
powerful, and so you don't likeyou're saying, you don't want to
feel like a doormat.
If I forgive the person, I'drather hold on to my anger
because now I feel like I havepower over that person and when
it's actually the opposite isthat person has power over you?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You're right, because , and that's the thing vengeance
is mine, says the Lord.
So he validates my hurt and hevalidates all that I'm feeling.
But that's the thing ofbringing it to him, because he's
the lion, yes, he's the lamb,yes, he's the comforter, but
he's not happy when someonehurts his precious one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You are his precious one, I'm his precious one, our
listeners are his precious one,and he's that lion.
He's going to take care of it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The Bible says touch not mine anointed and do my
prophets no harm, so don't worryabout that, I take some.
When God says vengeance, ismine what he's not saying to you
vengeance, is this really funthing that you don't get to
enjoy?
I'll enjoy it.
Right, as though God reallytakes some enjoyment in
inflicting punishment on theselittle creatures like we are.
(08:20):
In fact, what he's saying is I'mgoing to take the burden of
vengeance off of you.
Don't trouble yourself withthat, don't come out of your joy
.
You keep being you.
I'll bear this cross for you.
That's what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and you know what I think to myself when I
think of what I have to forgive.
I think about people, likeduring the Holocaust, who had to
forgive.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's real stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Forgive the family members, to forgive excuse me
the people responsible forkilling their family members and
show Christ in that way, andthat person came to the Lord.
I think of that all the time.
That is always something in mymind of like OK, if God, the
Holy Spirit, can enable someoneto forgive through that
(09:00):
situation, then I can forgive inwhat I have to forgive, Right.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, let me give you some medicine here for people
who might be at home strugglingwith forgiveness.
I'll give you a method you cantry If you are having difficulty
forgiving somebody.
Find something that you've donewrong, something that you need
forgiveness for, and go askforgiveness for that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, yeah, but isn't that the hardest thing to
forgive ourselves?
But?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
there's.
Yeah, that's true, but I'm nottalking about figuring yourself,
I mean someone you've wrong.
Oh yeah, because one of theprinciples I've noticed in
Christianity is a lot of times,in order to give something, you
have to get it, and so what Iwould say is go get forgiveness
for yourself for something thatyou've done wrong.
Ok, think of this.
Shouldn't be hard, becauseevery day we do things that we
can apologize for, absolutely.
Go apologize to somebody elsefor something you've done wrong.
(09:46):
Maybe you haven't even thoughtabout it, maybe they haven't
thought about it.
Get forgiveness from thatperson.
When you get forgiveness fromthat person, it's easier for you
then to give forgiveness toanother person.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's for sure.
And I just want to say to theperson who feels you know we all
have different personalitystyles.
If you feel like you asked forforgiveness and somebody has
withheld that forgiveness fromyou, you are again back to the
doormat thing.
You're not called.
Yes, god convicts us, but thenGod forgives you and you can do
what you can do to say you'resorry and reconcile the
(10:18):
situation and understand certainsituations take times and
there's a process and thatforgiveness.
But you shouldn't have to feellike you are now forever in this
state of you can never beforgiven, that it is done.
You ask God for forgiveness andyou go to the person If it all
appropriate, depending on thesituation.
(10:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If it all appropriate , depending on the situation.
Yeah, that's a good way to sayit.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, isn't it?
You know true that there aregreat areas and there's.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
God calls for us to apologize, but he doesn't call
for us to grovel.
Okay, there's a big differencethere.
So when you've done your part,you've asked for forgiveness.
At that point it's on them, andif they're not going to give it
to you, that's fine.
That's between you and God, andGod forgives you and you just
go on with your joy.
All right, chris, in the lastminute we have, do me a favor
and pray for all these goodpeople, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yes, oh, lord, you validate us.
You never dismiss us.
Other people may overlook us,other people may make us feel
certain ways, but that's just it.
It's just a feeling, andfeelings come and go, but, god,
you are constant and your lovefor us and our identity in you,
that's the thing.
That's for sure.
That is what is definitely setin stone, god.
(11:30):
Help us, help us, god, you knowit's a test for us sometimes,
lord, to forgive, but we havebeen forgiven.
Thank you for your forgiveness,lord, and help us to live in
victory as we forgive and to seethings through your eyes, which
I believe is the real key here.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be
shown mercy.
Isn't that part of the attitude?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, like seeing
things through God's eyes, helpsa lot.
Sometimes you'll see adifferent perspective for the
person too.
Excellent point.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
All right, guys.
Well, listen.
I hope you enjoyed this episode.
I hope it was useful to you.
Thanks, as always, for joiningus.
We'll see you next week.
Try not to get too upset now.
We're going to be right back.
You always watch the podcast.
If you miss us too much, allright, anyway, we'll see you in
a week.
Until then, as always, beblessed and be a blessing.
Love you.
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