November 30, 2023 • 13 mins
We're posing a question you may not want to hear - why is the Church in decline in the United States, and what can we do to address this unsettling reality? We're not here to sugarcoat the situation, but rather to explore the sobering statistics and uncover the roots of the problem, particularly the disconnection among the younger generation. Kristen, with her insightful observations and personal experiences, opens an intriguing discussion on the fundamental human need for belonging, an area where some churches appear to fall short.
Join us as we wrestle with the hard truths and navigate through the potential solutions. No stone is left unturned, from the stark decrease in church membership and religious affiliation to the shift in key cultural influencers like Hollywood, media, government, and academia. As we grapple with this challenging topic, we invite you to tune in. We may not have all the answers, but we're committed to igniting the conversations that matter. Through prayer and trust in God, we are hopeful to reveal a beacon of light in these seemingly dark times.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Alright, good evening everybody.
Welcome to another edition ofthe Jordan and Kristen Rickers
Show.
We thank you so much forjoining us.
Today's topic why the Church isFailing and what we Can Do
About it.
Now, I know that sounds verynegative.
We always try to be positiveand we always want to feel like
everything's going just peachyclean.
But you know what?
We've got a real problem rightnow in American culture with the
decline of the church, and it'snot going to go away by us
(00:22):
pretending it's not happening.
So we're going to address ittonight, but first, Kristen, I
want you to pray over everybodyand pray over this message.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Absolutely Well, lord .
We thank you.
We thank you even though theworld tells us that things are
hopeless, lord, and things arefalling apart.
God, we rely on you.
God, we know that your bright,your bright light shines in the
darkness.
Lord, in the darkest of nights,that's where you shine the
brightest, god.
Let us, lord, just just, wejust give everything over to you
(00:52):
.
We ask that you fill us withyour Holy Spirit, god, and that
that would overflow in us tothis whole generation, lord, and
beyond, from generation togeneration.
We honor you when we praise youin Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Amen, all right.
So, guys, listen, we got aserious problem here.
We know from all the data andfrom anybody who has opened
their eyes and paid attention towhat's going on in the world
that the church is severelyreceding in terms of its
influence.
If you look at the culturallysignificant institutions in our
country, it's things likeHollywood and the media, and the
government and academia, noneof which reflect a Christian
(01:30):
worldview.
And we see this in the dataalso.
I showed you earlier, chris, andsome data from Gallup which
showed that from the 1930s allthe way up to the 2000s, you
know, 73% of Americans, over 70%of Americans, were members of a
church.
Now it's under 50%.
Church attendance is down toabout 31%, and among young
people it's even worse, which isa big problem.
(01:50):
It's not an even distribution,but rather about one third of
Generation Z are religiouslyunaffiliated, and among
millennials, which is ages 23 to38, so your group they're
almost as likely to say theyhave no religion as they are to
identify as Christian.
Okay, so we've got this sharpdecline in Christianity, this
sharp decline of religiousaffiliation in general, which
(02:13):
cannot portend to good things.
So my question to you, kristin,to start this off, is what in
the world is going on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I love how you said.
That's my group to let everyoneknow how young I am so well.
You know, like we say in ourintro, the world is falling
apart.
But you don't have to rightthat's what we talk about and
that's what you're saying herethat there seems to be a
definite problem.
And I don't think it's any onething.
It's a lot of different things,but I do think there are things
(02:38):
that we can immediately addressthat are not difficult.
And one thing that comes to mindfor me is you know, in this
world where everything ischanging, there's one thing that
hasn't changed, and that ispeople have a need for belonging
.
I don't care who you are, whoyou talk to, what your
personality style is.
It is a critical need forpeople to feel like they belong,
(03:00):
they're loved, they're valued.
That's a core human need, andI've been off part of a lot of
churches that do have things inplace to make people feel like
they belong.
But I feel like even in thosechurches it can be done better,
because we can always improve.
And then I've been to somechurches that don't seem to have
anything in place.
(03:20):
I have been to churches, I'vevisited churches where I've
literally walked in, walked outand no one said a thing to me.
Or I've been to churches thateven have, you know, great
greeting teams in place, butI've gone upstairs and people
have been coming out of theBible study and I remember just
doing an experiment and smilingat every single person as they
came out, and that one personeven smiled back.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh, I bet none of them were men, because the men
always smile at you.
They must have been a room fullof women.
Whenever someone scowls at you,it's always a woman, usually
someone's wife.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Jordan.
Jordan, that's true, though.
Okay, what was I saying again?
Oh, yes.
So my point is, if I know ofhad those experiences and I'm a
grounded, rooted person in God Ican't imagine being a person
who's on the fence or goingthrough a tragedy where they
(04:11):
just feel you know that they'renot, they're kind of struggling
in their beliefs.
I'd say I don't need to be here, you know, and I think to
myself that, like when I'm apart of any group that I'm a
part of, let's say, even anexercise group or something, if
I'm not there, I feel missed.
Somebody calls how are you, areyou okay?
Whatever?
We need to do that in churchand we need to keep doing it.
(04:34):
And I know I've kind of gone ona tangent and just this one
little thing, but I think it'sso important.
I mean, don't you thinkbelonging in church, that
feeling of belonging, isimportant?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
All right.
So this is how you and I are alittle bit different, because
you are definitely an extrovertand I'm an introvert.
So when I go into a church, inparticular a new church, I
really don't need people togreet me and that's fine or
whatever.
But the part that I dread themost is you know, when they
welcome the new people and youhave to stand up and everyone
looks at you and they applaudand they hand you a thing and
you got to fill out your nameand your email address and
everyone takes your hand.
(05:05):
No, it's like that's.
That's not what I need, and youknow if I'm listen.
Here's the bigger problem, andwe're addressing a broader issue
here is that the church reliestoo much on it being Sunday for
people to show up, and forcenturies people could do that.
Right, you could get away withthat.
It's Sunday, everyone goes tochurch.
Well, that's not how things areanymore.
There are a lot more thingscompeting for people's time.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
People will go to church if they get something out
of it instead.
And you and I have had thisexperience more times than I can
, than I can count.
Where you and I go to a church,we, we, we sit patiently
through some hour long sermonthat we get nothing out of.
That has nothing to do withanything relevant to our lives.
And afterwards we say toourselves you know, I'm glad we
didn't bring a guest to thatchurch, because if that was
(05:48):
going to be their one experiencewith the church, they would
never go back.
And I'm not saying there'sanything wrong, necessarily,
with an hour long sermon or afive minute sermon, but there's
absolutely something wrong witha five minute sermon that drags
on for an hour.
Okay, that in no way addressesanything that that people are
dealing with.
You Go.
If you're going to go to achurch on a Sunday, it's because
you got to get filled up toface the rest of your week.
(06:10):
You're going to go and you'regoing to go into your, your your
place of business and deal withdifficult people.
You're going to deal withdoctors, you're going to deal
with family members, and you gotit.
You have to be gettingpractical information that
builds you up, not some esotericsermon that drags on about you
know who, knows even what, andthat, by the way, doesn't
address problems and is afraidto discuss important issues
(06:31):
because they're afraid ofalienating people.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, okay, okay, sure, okay, I think this is your
hot button.
You know?
No, you're, you're right.
So I think this is what I Ithink about what you're saying.
I think we have a greatopportunity in this in this day
and age, because you think ofany time there was a revival, it
(06:55):
was when people were desperateand the world was desperate.
And when you think of revivals,I think of everyone getting
together in a corporate body,worshiping and praying and being
led by the spirit and just justoverflowing in the spirit.
And, yeah, a sermon's a part ofthat, but it's a lot more of
just this, this whole movementof the supernatural.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but here's the thing, though that's not going
to happen in a church where thepastor, or whoever is preaching,
is afraid to confront sin forwhat it is.
Oh, I know, if you're going totolerate, if you're going to
tolerate sin in your in, in yourcongregation, where you know
that you know half the peoplethere aren't living the way they
should be, okay, then don'texpect anything supernatural to
(07:36):
happen there, because you're not.
You're not addressing the sin,you're not addressing the
problem.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, and you know what's funny, it sounds
contradictory to say we, the bigone need is for people to feel
belonging and then for us to saydon't water down the gospel.
But I don't think it'scontradictory at all.
I think it works hand in handand I'll tell you why.
Because loving somebody we can.
We are called to love and bringpeople in.
I'm not saying that we don'topen our doors to everyone, but
(08:02):
then at the same time we don'tsay, oh, we don't want to offend
anybody, because loving them,truly loving someone, is telling
them is being a shepherd to thesheep and telling them right
from wrong and at the same timemaking them feel like they
belong as they're going throughthe process.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, these aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
To give people usefulinformation when they go to
church and to give people aspiritually fulfilling exercise,
and to tell them the truth.
The truth, as Jesus says, notto be tried here.
The truth is what sets peoplefree.
If you're not telling thepeople the truth, you're like a
doctor who's deliberately notdiagnosing a problem.
Well, guess what?
The people aren't gonna feelbetter then.
(08:44):
You're not gonna have much of adoctor's office.
You're not gonna have much of ahospital if you're not
diagnosing the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And you're just going through the motions and then
the spirit is not there, andthen it's too structured where
we're not even allowing thespirit to come in, and you know
it's really.
You see the extremes where yousee people I at least see these.
It seems to be extreme.
Either people who say don'tallow those people into the
church, which is not right,because we need to, we're called
(09:11):
, we want people to come in andget saved okay.
But then the other extreme well, don't offend them, so don't
say anything.
There is a happy medium here,you know there is.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, let's just speak in real terms.
Okay, a lot of people arehaving difficulty in their
relationships, in their romanticrelationships.
Now, this is a hot button forme because I'm an attorney.
I do a lot of divorces, but weknow that half of marriages end
in failure, and that's thepeople who get married.
We're not even talking aboutthe people who engage in medium
and long-term relationships.
That also fail, okay, well, Igot news for you.
(09:41):
If you're in a church and youknow that a third to a half of
the people there are, you know,engaging in premarital sex or
they're living with one anotherand you just don't want to
address it because well, thenyou're gonna lose half your
audience, then you're doingthings wrong.
Instead, maybe you shouldaddress it because half your
audience needs to hear that.
Okay, and maybe you are gonnaoffend people and you're gonna
lose some.
Maybe it does result inattendance going down in the
(10:04):
short term, but in the long term, if you're actually addressing
problems people are having andI'm not saying you do it in
necessarily a judgmental way,like you're a bad person if
you're doing this, but rather ina way, this is behavior that is
not likely to lead to long-termsuccessful relationships okay.
You have to be able to addressthe problem in order to solve
(10:24):
the problem, in order to givepeople a meaningful experience
that they're gonna come back for.
That's going to then that'sgonna then bleed over into the
culture and actually helpreverse this cultural entropy
that we're experiencing.
You know it's funny because inwhat we're saying, about Can you
tell me a little bit emotionalabout this.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I know I feel like I have to hold you back from the
microphone.
The visual is even better thanthe audio today.
You know it's very much of athing where we're saying about
church attendance, but we needto actually, in order for the
church to grow and revival tostart, we need to stop
concentrating on how many peopleare in the church.
(11:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, it is, and we have to be providing a better
product, and I would just thiswill be the last thing I say, I
think, on an individual level,what we can do.
They say that the best sermonsaren't sermons at all, that it's
the way you live your life.
And so you know, as Christians,we need to be living our lives
in such a way that other peoplewho aren't Christian look at us
and say, yeah, but I wanna livelike that guy.
(11:23):
I know that he's the mostreliable, he's the most generous
, he leaves the biggest tips,he's the best worker, he's the
one that gets the office on, youknow, first, he leaves the
latest.
He's the person that I know.
If I have a problem, I couldrely on that person.
I think that's the best sermon.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You might be the only Jesus someone meets.
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's exactly right, that's true, I think we need to
do a part two on this.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I have so much more to say but I guess I can cut off
.
Let's quickly close out inprayer before we get cut off.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Oh, dear Jesus, thank you, god, for all of your
blessings.
Thank you that we are.
We have everything we need inyou, god.
We pray that people flock tochurches and we pray that
churches are filled with yourspirit, god, for people to hear
the message, and we pray that weare your spirit out and about
everywhere we go.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
All right, guys.
Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you again next week.
As always, be blessed and be ablessing.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for listeningto our rants today.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Absolutely.
Alright, good evening everybody.
Welcome to another edition ofthe Jordan and Kristen Rickers
Show.
We thank you so much forjoining us.
Today's topic why the Church isFailing and what we Can Do
About it.
Now, I know that sounds verynegative.
We always try to be positiveand we always want to feel like
everything's going just peachyclean.
But you know what?
We've got a real problem rightnow in American culture with the
decline of the church, and it'snot going to go away by us
(00:22):
pretending it's not happening.
So we're going to address ittonight, but first, Kristen, I
want you to pray over everybodyand pray over this message.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Absolutely Well, lord .
We thank you.
We thank you even though theworld tells us that things are
hopeless, lord, and things arefalling apart.
God, we rely on you.
God, we know that your bright,your bright light shines in the
darkness.
Lord, in the darkest of nights,that's where you shine the
brightest, god.
Let us, lord, just just, wejust give everything over to you
(00:52):
.
We ask that you fill us withyour Holy Spirit, god, and that
that would overflow in us tothis whole generation, lord, and
beyond, from generation togeneration.
We honor you when we praise youin Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Amen, all right.
So, guys, listen, we got aserious problem here.
We know from all the data andfrom anybody who has opened
their eyes and paid attention towhat's going on in the world
that the church is severelyreceding in terms of its
influence.
If you look at the culturallysignificant institutions in our
country, it's things likeHollywood and the media, and the
government and academia, noneof which reflect a Christian
(01:30):
worldview.
And we see this in the dataalso.
I showed you earlier, chris, andsome data from Gallup which
showed that from the 1930s allthe way up to the 2000s, you
know, 73% of Americans, over 70%of Americans, were members of a
church.
Now it's under 50%.
Church attendance is down toabout 31%, and among young
people it's even worse, which isa big problem.
(01:50):
It's not an even distribution,but rather about one third of
Generation Z are religiouslyunaffiliated, and among
millennials, which is ages 23 to38, so your group they're
almost as likely to say theyhave no religion as they are to
identify as Christian.
Okay, so we've got this sharpdecline in Christianity, this
sharp decline of religiousaffiliation in general, which
(02:13):
cannot portend to good things.
So my question to you, kristin,to start this off, is what in
the world is going on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I love how you said.
That's my group to let everyoneknow how young I am so well.
You know, like we say in ourintro, the world is falling
apart.
But you don't have to rightthat's what we talk about and
that's what you're saying herethat there seems to be a
definite problem.
And I don't think it's any onething.
It's a lot of different things,but I do think there are things
(02:38):
that we can immediately addressthat are not difficult.
And one thing that comes to mindfor me is you know, in this
world where everything ischanging, there's one thing that
hasn't changed, and that ispeople have a need for belonging
.
I don't care who you are, whoyou talk to, what your
personality style is.
It is a critical need forpeople to feel like they belong,
(03:00):
they're loved, they're valued.
That's a core human need, andI've been off part of a lot of
churches that do have things inplace to make people feel like
they belong.
But I feel like even in thosechurches it can be done better,
because we can always improve.
And then I've been to somechurches that don't seem to have
anything in place.
(03:20):
I have been to churches, I'vevisited churches where I've
literally walked in, walked outand no one said a thing to me.
Or I've been to churches thateven have, you know, great
greeting teams in place, butI've gone upstairs and people
have been coming out of theBible study and I remember just
doing an experiment and smilingat every single person as they
came out, and that one personeven smiled back.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh, I bet none of them were men, because the men
always smile at you.
They must have been a room fullof women.
Whenever someone scowls at you,it's always a woman, usually
someone's wife.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Jordan.
Jordan, that's true, though.
Okay, what was I saying again?
Oh, yes.
So my point is, if I know ofhad those experiences and I'm a
grounded, rooted person in God Ican't imagine being a person
who's on the fence or goingthrough a tragedy where they
(04:11):
just feel you know that they'renot, they're kind of struggling
in their beliefs.
I'd say I don't need to be here, you know, and I think to
myself that, like when I'm apart of any group that I'm a
part of, let's say, even anexercise group or something, if
I'm not there, I feel missed.
Somebody calls how are you, areyou okay?
Whatever?
We need to do that in churchand we need to keep doing it.
(04:34):
And I know I've kind of gone ona tangent and just this one
little thing, but I think it'sso important.
I mean, don't you thinkbelonging in church, that
feeling of belonging, isimportant?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
All right.
So this is how you and I are alittle bit different, because
you are definitely an extrovertand I'm an introvert.
So when I go into a church, inparticular a new church, I
really don't need people togreet me and that's fine or
whatever.
But the part that I dread themost is you know, when they
welcome the new people and youhave to stand up and everyone
looks at you and they applaudand they hand you a thing and
you got to fill out your nameand your email address and
everyone takes your hand.
(05:05):
No, it's like that's.
That's not what I need, and youknow if I'm listen.
Here's the bigger problem, andwe're addressing a broader issue
here is that the church reliestoo much on it being Sunday for
people to show up, and forcenturies people could do that.
Right, you could get away withthat.
It's Sunday, everyone goes tochurch.
Well, that's not how things areanymore.
There are a lot more thingscompeting for people's time.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
People will go to church if they get something out
of it instead.
And you and I have had thisexperience more times than I can
, than I can count.
Where you and I go to a church,we, we, we sit patiently
through some hour long sermonthat we get nothing out of.
That has nothing to do withanything relevant to our lives.
And afterwards we say toourselves you know, I'm glad we
didn't bring a guest to thatchurch, because if that was
(05:48):
going to be their one experiencewith the church, they would
never go back.
And I'm not saying there'sanything wrong, necessarily,
with an hour long sermon or afive minute sermon, but there's
absolutely something wrong witha five minute sermon that drags
on for an hour.
Okay, that in no way addressesanything that that people are
dealing with.
You Go.
If you're going to go to achurch on a Sunday, it's because
you got to get filled up toface the rest of your week.
(06:10):
You're going to go and you'regoing to go into your, your your
place of business and deal withdifficult people.
You're going to deal withdoctors, you're going to deal
with family members, and you gotit.
You have to be gettingpractical information that
builds you up, not some esotericsermon that drags on about you
know who, knows even what, andthat, by the way, doesn't
address problems and is afraidto discuss important issues
(06:31):
because they're afraid ofalienating people.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, okay, okay, sure, okay, I think this is your
hot button.
You know?
No, you're, you're right.
So I think this is what I Ithink about what you're saying.
I think we have a greatopportunity in this in this day
and age, because you think ofany time there was a revival, it
(06:55):
was when people were desperateand the world was desperate.
And when you think of revivals,I think of everyone getting
together in a corporate body,worshiping and praying and being
led by the spirit and just justoverflowing in the spirit.
And, yeah, a sermon's a part ofthat, but it's a lot more of
just this, this whole movementof the supernatural.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but here's the thing, though that's not going
to happen in a church where thepastor, or whoever is preaching,
is afraid to confront sin forwhat it is.
Oh, I know, if you're going totolerate, if you're going to
tolerate sin in your in, in yourcongregation, where you know
that you know half the peoplethere aren't living the way they
should be, okay, then don'texpect anything supernatural to
(07:36):
happen there, because you're not.
You're not addressing the sin,you're not addressing the
problem.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, and you know what's funny, it sounds
contradictory to say we, the bigone need is for people to feel
belonging and then for us to saydon't water down the gospel.
But I don't think it'scontradictory at all.
I think it works hand in handand I'll tell you why.
Because loving somebody we can.
We are called to love and bringpeople in.
I'm not saying that we don'topen our doors to everyone, but
(08:02):
then at the same time we don'tsay, oh, we don't want to offend
anybody, because loving them,truly loving someone, is telling
them is being a shepherd to thesheep and telling them right
from wrong and at the same timemaking them feel like they
belong as they're going throughthe process.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, these aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
To give people usefulinformation when they go to
church and to give people aspiritually fulfilling exercise,
and to tell them the truth.
The truth, as Jesus says, notto be tried here.
The truth is what sets peoplefree.
If you're not telling thepeople the truth, you're like a
doctor who's deliberately notdiagnosing a problem.
Well, guess what?
The people aren't gonna feelbetter then.
(08:44):
You're not gonna have much of adoctor's office.
You're not gonna have much of ahospital if you're not
diagnosing the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And you're just going through the motions and then
the spirit is not there, andthen it's too structured where
we're not even allowing thespirit to come in, and you know
it's really.
You see the extremes where yousee people I at least see these.
It seems to be extreme.
Either people who say don'tallow those people into the
church, which is not right,because we need to, we're called
(09:11):
, we want people to come in andget saved okay.
But then the other extreme well, don't offend them, so don't
say anything.
There is a happy medium here,you know there is.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, let's just speak in real terms.
Okay, a lot of people arehaving difficulty in their
relationships, in their romanticrelationships.
Now, this is a hot button forme because I'm an attorney.
I do a lot of divorces, but weknow that half of marriages end
in failure, and that's thepeople who get married.
We're not even talking aboutthe people who engage in medium
and long-term relationships.
That also fail, okay, well, Igot news for you.
(09:41):
If you're in a church and youknow that a third to a half of
the people there are, you know,engaging in premarital sex or
they're living with one anotherand you just don't want to
address it because well, thenyou're gonna lose half your
audience, then you're doingthings wrong.
Instead, maybe you shouldaddress it because half your
audience needs to hear that.
Okay, and maybe you are gonnaoffend people and you're gonna
lose some.
Maybe it does result inattendance going down in the
(10:04):
short term, but in the long term, if you're actually addressing
problems people are having andI'm not saying you do it in
necessarily a judgmental way,like you're a bad person if
you're doing this, but rather ina way, this is behavior that is
not likely to lead to long-termsuccessful relationships okay.
You have to be able to addressthe problem in order to solve
(10:24):
the problem, in order to givepeople a meaningful experience
that they're gonna come back for.
That's going to then that'sgonna then bleed over into the
culture and actually helpreverse this cultural entropy
that we're experiencing.
You know it's funny because inwhat we're saying, about Can you
tell me a little bit emotionalabout this.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I know I feel like I have to hold you back from the
microphone.
The visual is even better thanthe audio today.
You know it's very much of athing where we're saying about
church attendance, but we needto actually, in order for the
church to grow and revival tostart, we need to stop
concentrating on how many peopleare in the church.
(11:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, it is, and we have to be providing a better
product, and I would just thiswill be the last thing I say, I
think, on an individual level,what we can do.
They say that the best sermonsaren't sermons at all, that it's
the way you live your life.
And so you know, as Christians,we need to be living our lives
in such a way that other peoplewho aren't Christian look at us
and say, yeah, but I wanna livelike that guy.
(11:23):
I know that he's the mostreliable, he's the most generous
, he leaves the biggest tips,he's the best worker, he's the
one that gets the office on, youknow, first, he leaves the
latest.
He's the person that I know.
If I have a problem, I couldrely on that person.
I think that's the best sermon.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You might be the only Jesus someone meets.
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's exactly right, that's true, I think we need to
do a part two on this.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I have so much more to say but I guess I can cut off
.
Let's quickly close out inprayer before we get cut off.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Oh, dear Jesus, thank you, god, for all of your
blessings.
Thank you that we are.
We have everything we need inyou, god.
We pray that people flock tochurches and we pray that
churches are filled with yourspirit, god, for people to hear
the message, and we pray that weare your spirit out and about
everywhere we go.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
All right, guys.
Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you again next week.
As always, be blessed and be ablessing.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for listeningto our rants today.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Absolutely.
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