When Curiosity Becomes a Spiritual Path

What if your hardest moments aren’t punishment, but preparation for the life you’ve been asking for? That single shift—paired with a kinder view of the divine—sparked our deep dive into Kabbalah, a tradition that feels less like a rigid system and more like a language for truths we’ve sensed all along: certainty, worthiness, and the courage to meet change with an open heart.

We trace the path from a strict, fear-shaped upbringing to a spiritual practice that feels like home. Along the way, we unpack how curiosity led us from human design conversations with Jenna Zoe to a 30-day journey with Kabbalah teacher David Ghiyam. The standout ideas are deceptively simple and wildly practical: treat challenges as training for capacity, anchor into the belief that the creator is fundamentally good, and remember that your worth isn’t conditional. When you stop bargaining with life and start receiving, optimism becomes orientation—not denial.

This conversation also explores how to build bridges across beliefs. Whether you call the source God, the universe, or the creator, Kabbalah’s openness invites you to keep what resonates and leave what doesn’t. We talk about integrating insights into daily choices—rewriting fear-thoughts, taking small aligned actions, and practicing gratitude when outcomes are still foggy—so growth isn’t just an idea, it’s a pattern. If you’ve been craving a spiritual framework that is ancient, accessible, and free of fear, this episode offers a grounded starting point.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Hello, beautiful souls.
Welcome to another episode hereat Journey to the Soul.
I hope you guys are having abeautiful day, a beautiful start
to your week or the end of yourweek, whenever you are listening
to this.
As I am recording this, it is afew days after the fall equinox,

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and I am getting ready to go ona wonderful trip with my
husband.
We're getting ready to travelfor the next six weeks.
It's actually been a few weekssince I recorded an episode, but
I wanted to share a little bitabout something that I have been

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learning about.
And I wanted to kind of give youinsight on one of my newest
obsessions, I guess you couldcall it.

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But my newest obsession isKabbalah.
And it's something that I juststarted learning slowly.
And for those of you that arefamiliar with human design, I am
a one-three in human design.
So learning about differentthings is one of my love
languages.
Whatever that's supposed to befor me, like whatever energizes

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me.
And all things like spiritualityand you know, learning about
cultures and different things,that's something that I really
love to learn about.
So I'm just sharing with you mynewest rabbit hole that I have
been going down, which isKabbalah, and it's something

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that I've been wanting to learnfor a while, and I hadn't
started learning it.
The timing wasn't actuallyright.
I mean, I have a long laundrylist of things that I want to
learn in this life, so it's hardfor me to really find time or to
choose and discern what I shouldfocus my energy on because my

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energy does want to go in somany different places.
So Kabbalah is one of thesethings that I have been wanting
to go deeper into, but thetiming just hasn't been right.
But I mean, truly, my curiositydoes drive me.
You know, cultures, religions, Iabsolutely love it.

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And over the last few years,where that has kind of taken me
is learning a lot about Buddhismand different schools of thought
there, reading about differentspiritual teachers and you know
their philosophies on differentthings.
And I myself am a deeplyspiritual person, but I'm not

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religious.
That's something that evolved alot over time in my life.
I grew up in a very religiousupbringing household.
So my life, I kind of wentthrough an evolution of finding
my own truth among everything.

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So that's kind of how I beganlearning about a lot of these
things.
And I am still on this journeyof expanding my own truth with
all of this.
This is a lifelong journey, Ifeel like, for any of us, as you
keep learning and expanding yourmind and being exposed to new

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things, your perception of whatyou believe to be true is going
to change because you're goingto change.
And I definitely feel likethat's been the case for me, as
I have exposed myself todifferent things, you know, to
different religions and youknow, schools of thought that I

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was never exposed to when I wasyounger.
But when I got older, I gotcurious, I wanted to know like
what was so different about allof these many ways of thinking,
you know, versus how I grew up.
But that's a story for anothertime.
And for me, Kabbalah is me justexpanding this realm of my life,

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of trying to develop a deeperunderstanding of what all of
this is, you know, and I havebeen wanting to learn about it
for quite some time.
So the time just happens to benow.
But one of my favorite humandesign teachers who I've
followed for quite a few years,her name is Jenna Zoe.

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She discusses Kabbalah quite alot in her just teachings in
general.
And when I first heard hertalking about it, it really did
spark my curiosity.
And not that long after sheactually had David Guillaume on
her podcast, and hearing himtalk about Kabbalah even sparked

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my curiosity even more.
I had this deep urge of wantingto learn and understand to a
deeper level.
And for those of you that havenot heard of David Guillaume, he
is a Kabbalah teacher.
And like I mentioned, Jenna Zoeis a human design teacher, and

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Jenna Zoe, she has been astudent of Kabbalah for many
years.
But after I came across DavidGuillaume and his stuff, it
allowed me to go and studysomething that I had been
wanting to study at a wholenother level.
So for me, when I look atspirituality, it has to be

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something that feels freeing andempowering, but it also can't
create extremes that keep us infear.
I don't believe that yourdevotion to whatever greater
power you practice towards orlike any religion or whatever
your spiritual practice might beshould be done from a place of

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fear.
And this is my personal belief.
Of again, this might notresonate with you, but for me,
when I think of, you know,connecting to this deeper part
of ourselves, to thisrelationship to God, the divine,
the creator, the universe,whatever you want to call it, I

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don't believe that fear shouldbe the primary thing in there.
I actually feel like fear shouldbe a very small aspect of this.
And this comes from myupbringing, what I was exposed
to from a very young age, and myrelationship with religion as I
was growing up, and growing upin a religion that instilled so

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much fear in me, witheverything, every thought, every
action, every interaction wasalways from a place of fear.
You know, if I don't do this,then that means, you know, that
it's just these very largeextremes.

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And that's part of why for menow my spiritual practice, my
journey, and my path down thislife of trying to deepen my
truth to everything that is hasto be done from a place of
freedom and also from a safespace.

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You know, for me, it needs tofeel like a like a hug, like
home.
It needs to be comfortable.
And this is what I look at whenI am wanting to learn and
understand different things whenit comes to religions or
different schools of thought inthis realm, is it needs to feel

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safe.
That's not to say that I'm nevergonna learn about, you know,
other religions that are alittle bit more, you know,
strict or have fear more in themor anything like that.
But I take pieces from the onesthat feel like home, more like a
universal truth.

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And from the little that I havestudied from Kabbalah so far,
that is what it feels like.
For me, it gives language andunderstanding to the many
philosophical and spiritualbeliefs that are in this world,
and that's really what drew meto it.
It was the language that theyused to talk about these things.

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It didn't feel like a religion,it doesn't feel like a religion,
and for me that's reallyimportant because then it stays
rooted in what is actuallyimportant.
So that's kind of what drew meinto it and to David Guillaume's
teachings as well.
And I recently actually justfinished a 30-day journey with

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him that we did.
It was really amazing, but itwas 30 days to manifesting a new
destiny, and it was my firsttime doing something with David
Guillaume, and I thought that itwas such a transformational
experience considering that I doso much work in this realm in

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self-help, in personaldevelopment, and spirituality,
in all of these things, so manyof the concepts that overlap in
all of these things I'm awareof.
So I'm always, of course,expanding myself and being
exposed to new things, but Ifeel like from all the many

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things that I have been exposedto or learned about or even
practiced on my own, I feel likethe teachings that he brought in
this journey were concepts thatI feel like would really serve
anyone.
And it almost seems likeself-help in how universal it

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feels.
That's how open it feels.
But the teachings of Kabbalahare really based off of deeper
truths that have existed forthousands of years.
It really is an ancient teachingschool of thought.
And it allowed me, like thisjourney, to go deeper into

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things that I had already workedon at some point in my life, but
I knew that I really needed tolet go of.
So like the timing was alsopretty divine.
And I think that it's powerfulthat this journey started with
us looking within ourselves tosee how fears, limiting beliefs,

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different things that we hold onto, how that all translates to
the outside world.
And it really also gave me a newperspective on more challenging
experiences that we go through,big things or small things.
And David Guillaume says anychallenging situation is simply

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preparing your vessel, which isyour being, for miracles that
are about to come into yourlife.
And this is more or less abelief that I already had that
everything that you experienceis just preparing you.
It's giving you the experience,it's giving you what you need to

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step into the new version ofyourself.
We've talked about that beforein this podcast.
And it's something that, youknow, is a backbone to my life,
but it feels even more rooted inme now, ever since taking this
course with him.
And it gives you a feeling ofoptimism and peace as you move

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through life.
Because who doesn't want to knowthat everything is working out
in their highest favor?
That what we call negativeexperiences in our life have a
greater purpose, right?
Don't we all want to feel thatway?
Like this is all happening as itshould be.

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These challenging times in ourlife are part of a greater
truth.
They're part of a greater plan,right?
And that's what we all kind ofseek when we are trying to find
something to connect with,whether it's a religion or a
spiritual practice, but we wantto feel like something, someone

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has our back, that we are goingto be okay, that we are going to
get through all these ups anddowns that life springs.
Gabbala also brings this conceptof certainty, which is knowing
that the creator, which it iswho created this world, is

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ultimately good and has yourbest interest at heart.
And that the creator wants youto receive miracles and
blessings in your life, evenwhen it feels difficult.
And it's this belief that that'staught that we are inherently
worthy of being taken care of,and the creator wants our

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highest timeline to come intofruition.
And this is again such a starkdifference for me from what I
was brought up to believe.
For me, these teachings and theenergy that they are invoking is
a vibration of like universallove, which I believe to be the

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highest vibration in the world.
There is no fear here.
It is again that everything isfor our highest self.
It's for, you know, we areinherently worthy of all the
things that we want in thislife.
The universe, God wants to giveyou everything that you want.

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You know, that's what you'remeant to have, to experience,
whatever those things are meantto be for us.
And if you are still feelinglike maybe, you know, you might
not know where this could fit inyour life, Kabbalah is more
spiritual versus religious.

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So, regardless of any religionthat you practice, you can learn
Kabbalah because Kabbaladiscusses the ultimate creator.
But in the verbiage, you can usewhatever you want to use,
whether that's God, theuniverse, you know, whatever
feels comfortable for you.

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And I am gonna keep learningabout this, but I just wanted to
share the new rabbit hole that Ihave been going down because the
30 days that we did was justsuch a transformational
experience, and I'm takinganother course now, and I'm

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actually gonna be seeing DavidGuillaume in I think it's three
weeks actually in Dubai for alive Kabbalah event, and I'm so
excited for that.
I'm really looking forward tothat, and that's kind of what
gave me the desire to want tostart learning Kabbalah because
we decided to book this liveevent with him, and everything

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kind of played out, so now I Ijust want to learn and
understand it more.
But the point of all of this isfor us to simply stay curious
and open.
And in doing that, we can learnso much from people who practice
and believe different thingsthan we do.

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You know, there might be certainthings that you've never been
exposed to, certain religions,certain belief systems, and they
can show us a different path.
You know, they can show ussomething that is actually more
aligned with us than what weknow our current truth is.
It's also a way for us to bemore compassionate and loving

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towards others that havedifferent belief systems,
because unfortunately, religionis something that can really
separate one person from theother, and it really doesn't
have to be that way.
What if the conversation wasfocused on how these two
different practices that you andmaybe a friend or another person

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in your life have showed thelight in their own unique way
versus the countless ways thatthey may be different?
If we constantly focus on thedifferences between our beliefs
and another's, we will continueto draw a line in the sand.
But if we focus on the goodnessof them, we build a bridge, a

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way to connect with one another,a way to learn, a way to be
shown a new perspective.
Because truth can really befound in everything.
And we are really not thatdifferent from each other if we
choose to look closely.
And that's what I've beenlearning and sharing so far.
But I'd love to hear from youwhat traditions, philosophies,

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or spiritual practice haveexpanded your own truth?
Is it something that you wereexposed to when you were
younger?
A certain religion perhaps, orsomething that you decided to
learn later in life.
I would love to know.
If you want to share it with me,you can send me a message on

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Instagram.
And thanks for being here withme on this journey.
I can't wait to talk to you allnext time.
Take care until then.