When Jeanne - Human Design 1/3 emotional projector - first reached out about being featured on the podcast, I was skeptical—what does skincare have to do with wellness? Then we spoke, and I discovered something remarkable: the powerful, rarely-discussed connection between anxiety disorders and skin conditions.
Jeanne shares her raw journey from panic disorder diagnosis to founding Figgy Beauty, a skincare line specifically formulated for sensitive skin using South African rooibos. She clarifies the critical difference between everyday stress and clinical anxiety: "Stress is something that happens to you because of a certain situation, and when that situation is cleared up, the stress goes away. With anxiety, you never come down from that." This persistent state of fight-or-flight sends continuous signals to your nerve endings, many of which lie just beneath the first layer of skin—creating burning, itching, and inflammation.
What makes Jeanne's approach unique is her dual focus on both internal management and external symptoms. Figgi Soul, her educational platform, teaches others how to navigate their anxiety journey, while Figgi Beauty addresses the sensitive skin that often accompanies anxiety disorders. As she beautifully puts it, "I can't cure you. I don't have the golden ticket. But I have learned how to read my manual well, and I can teach you how to read yours."
Ready to explore both the science of anxiety and the soothing power of rooibos skincare? Listen now, and discover how understanding your unique wiring might be the first step toward both inner peace and healthier skin.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today I am joined by Jean.
She's the founder of Figgy andFiggy Soul, which is a skincare
company, and I have to I'm goingto let you introduce yourself
in a second, but I have to likeshare a little bit in one second
(00:23):
.
She's also a one threeemotional projector, before I
forget that.
But when, when you first reachedout to me, I was like I don't
know, do I want to have someonelike on a skincare that sells
skincare on my podcast?
That's not.
That's interesting, like whydid you reach out to me?
And then we hopped on a calland we're chatting and one of
the things that I love so muchabout you and I love so much
(00:45):
about having this conversationis that we are talking about two
things that I've never heardtalked about in the same
sentence, which is anxiety,panic disorder and skincare.
So I'm super excited to havethis conversation with you.
I'm going to let you introduceyourself now and then we're
(01:06):
going to kind of talk about howthose two can even be in the
same sentence together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh cool, Thank you so much.
So I'm so happy to be here.
I am Jean, the founder of FiggyBeauty and Figgy Soul, and I'm
just a panicked overachieverfinding my way through life like
everybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I love it.
It's true, yeah, we're alltrying.
We're all trying to figure itout.
I also really want to talkabout you being a projector,
because I know that you know alittle bit about human design as
well.
So we'll get, we'll get allinto that, and emotional
projector, I mean, there's a lotof pieces, I think, that I
(01:49):
would love to bring together,but first of all, let's start at
the beginning.
How do we, how do we get fromanxiety, panic disorder to
founding a skincare company?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, so the skincare was really founded out of kind
of raw survival instinct.
Because when I was diagnosedwith panic disorder and I'm sure
we will talk about what it isand what it isn't, but, if I can
kind of say it in quotationmarks, you know I was diagnosed
(02:25):
before it was cool for everybodyhad an anxiety disorder, so it
was still very much stigmatized.
I came from a background thatdidn't, that was filled with
mental illness but never talkedabout just very bizarre
behaviors.
So it was a very difficultdiagnosis for me to accept.
It took a long time to diagnoseme correctly and there's a lot
(02:50):
about it that I cannot control,which is very hard for me and my
personality type and just me asa person, and I needed to find
something, no matter how smallof my diagnosis, that I could
feel I had control over, and oneof my biggest external symptoms
is very sensitive skin.
I'm South African.
(03:11):
I know rooibos, the mainingredient we use.
I grew up drinking the tea.
I grew up with it, using it onmy skin, so I knew about this
ingredient and I decided well,this is something I think I can
do to make me feel like I'm,just like I have one still foot
(03:31):
in the storm.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I love that, and I think a lot of
people can relate to findingsomething out and feeling like
you have no control over it andthat's so difficult to deal with
.
And what a powerful way thatyou moved through that situation
(03:53):
or continue to right.
It's not like we ever achieveanything.
So I'm curious you said youknow before before it became
popular in quotes, and I reallywant to.
I really want to kind of divein there, because I agree with
you and and, and I think one ofmy most important messages,
(04:17):
especially with anxiety, is thateveryone's anxiety is different
.
So I don't ever want to comefrom a place of like you are not
experiencing this or bringinganyone down in the same breath.
I also do think that we use theterm anxiety very lightly and
very loosely today and we use italmost in different meanings,
(04:40):
right, like sometimes it'sexcited, like I'm really anxious
to have this conversation withyou today, and it's not like I'm
like having an anxiety attack.
It's that I'm kind of excitedto have this conversation with
you today, or I was reallyanxious to go into that meeting,
and it's maybe meaning morelike nervous.
So I'm curious to hear youdefine what is anxiety.
(05:02):
What's a panic disorder, and Iwould love to start with what is
it not?
And then, once we define whatit's not, then we can define
what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah.
So I mean, I think I would justlike to kind of set the
foundation as confirming thatit's not at all, that I
obviously don't believe thereare things like I have been
diagnosed with an anxietydisorder.
It's not that I want to takeaway from somebody's very, very
scary experience.
I'm just saying that there is alot of kind of focus on anxiety
(05:40):
at the moment in the world thatI feel has shifted to a space
where those of us that reallyreally really do struggle and
have been properly diagnosedhave extra challenges to face in
trying to exist in this world.
So what anxiety is not is, it'sfor sure, not some kind of pop
(06:04):
culture cool word like if youwatch these real reality tv
shows, how often do you hearsomebody saying, oh, you're
giving me so such anxiety rightnow.
Or, yeah, I went to my coffeeshop and they didn't have my
latte and gave me such anxiety.
That is not.
That is not anxiety.
And you know we do live in aworld where we have been blessed
(06:29):
with a myriad of human emotionsand not all of them are fun.
It's not nice and fun to feelangry or frustrated or irritated
or sad or, you know, really sad, and it's also not a great
feeling to be super stressed,but it's normal.
(06:49):
It's part of the normal frameof human emotion.
Stress is a good thing incertain senses, because it
activates your fight or flight.
It helps you understand whenthere's danger.
It helps you prepare for bigmoments like that kind of
stressed, fluttering feeling youget before a big speech or an
important meeting.
And it's completely normal tohave phases and stages in our
(07:13):
lives on a weekly basis wherewe're more stressed than we are
at other times.
Right so anxiety is not stress.
There is a difference betweenstress and anxiety.
Stress is something thathappens to you because of a
certain situation, and when thatsituation or something
(07:35):
connected to it is cleared up,the stress goes away.
So you're really stressed aboutthe speech.
When the speech is over, youfeel so much better.
Over you feel so much better.
And of course there can beother instances that overlap
with a kind of heightened,chronic period of stress in your
life.
For example, perhaps you'veexperienced burnout, perhaps
(07:55):
you've gone through a reallydifficult life change, or
perhaps you've just been in akind of business situation where
you've been operating on a veryhigh stress level for a long
period of time and you need someintermediate help to help you
kind of cross this bridge backinto a place of normalcy.
But again, like that is chronicor heightened stress.
(08:20):
It's not anxiety or heightenedstress.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's not anxiety.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Anxiety, on the other hand, is actually anxiety
disorder.
There are many different types.
Those include general anxietydisorder, generalized anxiety
disorder, panic disorder.
Obsessive compulsive disorderis a type of anxiety, and what
(08:46):
differentiates anxiety fromstress is where you go down from
stress, feeling better when thesituation is cleared up.
You never, ever, come down fromthat.
When you're anxious, it is sointense that you cannot function
normally every day becauseyou're always shaking.
Every day, because you'reyou're always shaking, you're
(09:07):
always buzzing, you're alwaysconcerned and overwhelmed with
these constant worries andoverwhelming thoughts.
And then what happens is your,your body starts sending these
fight or flight signals.
Right, Everything starts goingcrazy run, hide, protect
yourself.
And when that happens to you ona daily basis, when you're
(09:30):
never coming down from that,your body starts getting
fatigued and it starts gettingtired and it starts sending
wrong signals because it'sconfused.
So you may see something.
It may not be stressful toanybody else around you, but
your body may interpret it asokay, this is a tiger, it's
(09:51):
attacking me.
Yeah, that is anxiety, and withthat comes an entire life
change, because it affectseverything in your life.
Because it affects everythingin your life, you know it has
little tentacles that reach out.
So you may have gut issues likeirritable bowel syndrome or
(10:14):
Crohn's disease or celiac or youknow any other type of gut
issue that comes with thatanxiety, insomnia, migraine
attacks, food sensitivities,having really weird or bizarre
symptoms when you get hungry,sensitivity to light, smell,
(10:37):
touch, sound that living withthat every single day, that is
anxiety.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Thank you that living with that every single day,
that is anxiety, thank you.
Thank you for defining that andand really kind of shedding
light on both of them.
And again, not that we'renegating anyone's situation, and
oh, not call it stress, call itanxiety, but, but I do think
that it's really important tohave these conversations,
because we also don't reallyknow what we're going through
(11:13):
until somebody shares it with us.
And somebody shares and we hearsome information about like, oh
, maybe this is something that Ineed to look into or that I
need to learn more about.
So I think it's reallyimportant to have that
conversation.
I'm curious if you're willingto share a little bit more about
your story, how that experiencewas kind of going through the
(11:38):
diagnosis process.
But now I mean, this has beenwhen did you found FIGI?
Figi was founded in 2022.
Okay, yeah, so, yeah, so thishas at least been a few years.
Um, so how, yeah, how has thatjourney been from the beginning
to where you are now?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So for me it's been, it was.
I've always had issues withanxiety.
My entire life I've been.
It's affected me.
For example, I would get sobefore I understood the
difference stressed becausethat's what I thought it was.
(12:18):
I would regularly have, like Ihad periods where twice a month,
I would have, uh, symptoms akinto food poisoning, you know,
like I've eaten something wrong,I'd be vomiting, I'd be sick, I
wouldn't be able to functionfor three days and this was all
a symptom of my stress.
You know, this was just.
This is how I operated.
(12:39):
I was always shaking, I wasalways overthinking things, I
was always, you know, makingthings so big in my mind, um,
but I came from a difficultupbringing with, um, long
periods of of sexual abuse, um,a lot of very horrific, deeply
(13:03):
rooted generational trauma in myfamily, undiagnosed mental
illnesses, and the message to mewas always you're always so
sensitive, why are you alwaysstressing so much?
Why can't you just be normal?
You know, if I would cry, forexample, if I was sensitive, I
(13:23):
would be told I was once toldwhy are you peeing out of your
eyes again?
Can't you just get yourselftogether?
So these are the messages thatI had and I just figured, I'm
wrong.
There's nothing medicallydiagnosable about it.
I'm just weird, I'm just wrong.
(13:44):
You know there's nothing likemedically diagnosable about.
I'm just weird, I'm just wrong.
And with that came the messagealso, if we come from this
history of such intense trauma,what happened to you is bad, but
it's not as bad as so listen,stand still, you know, and and
one of the favorite things thatI was told very often is the
world owes you nothing Get upand be stronger and those things
(14:06):
kind of settle into you and itbecomes your own, it becomes how
you define yourself.
So when I was properlydiagnosed in 2015, I completely
ignored it and that's what madeit so bad in the breaking 2020
(14:27):
and 2021.
Because the first thing Ithought was well, I cannot have
this, because this means I'mlike them and I don't want to be
like them.
And I didn't understand thatit's completely different.
Like all, mental illnesses arenot the same.
And also, I found that thegroup of anxiety disorder I have
(14:49):
, which is panic disorder, isn'tnecessarily genetic.
It's born from complexpost-traumatic stress, which is,
long periods of being exposedto trauma committed by somebody
in a position of trust to you,and so small pieces of my life
started kind of making sense,you know.
(15:09):
And that's how I verydifficultly went from being
diagnosed, understanding thediagnosis and still today,
trying my best to accept it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
One of the things that you said about trauma,
which I love having thisconversation of trauma is oh, I
didn't think like we alwayscompare and we're like, well,
mine isn't like this or mineisn't as bad as someone else's
and I'm sure you know this, butI don't want to misquote, but
(15:46):
I'm pretty sure it's.
Gabor Mate is uh, says thattrauma isn't what happens to you
, it's how you, your body,responds to it.
So you and I could go through,and Bessel van der Kolk too,
because he did a lot of studieson PTSD and and um veterans, and
so two army people, soldiers,could go through the same
(16:06):
experience and one has strongsymptoms of PTSD and the other
doesn't, or they show up somedifferent way, just like you're
talking about the anxietydisorders.
There's so many different kindsand even I would imagine, if we
pull together 10 people thatare diagnosed with panic
disorder, that they're all goingto have different symptoms and
(16:29):
they're all going to havedifferent experiences of how
they walk through life and pastexperiences, what happened to
them, and we spend so much time.
I know I resonate with that, notthat my story is anywhere
similar to yours, but I resonatewith the kind of plain
downplaying things that I'vegone, that have happened to me,
(16:52):
that I've experienced in my life, and saying, oh well, it's not
as bad as this and why can't Ijust kind of get over it?
Right, and and thankfully I I'mI am so blessed that I didn't
have someone telling me that,like why can't you just get over
it?
I actually had told peopletelling me it's OK, what you
went through and you have toexperience, you have to
(17:15):
acknowledge it.
But I can't imagine, I can'timagine that everyone can
resonate with this to some level, especially when we're talking
in terms of these uncomfortableemotions.
Like you said in the beginning,nobody really wants to
experience anxiety, to whateverlevel you do.
Nobody wants to experiencepanic, nobody wants to
(17:36):
experience grief and trauma andprocessing.
You know, these things thatmaybe have happened to them,
that they felt that they had nocontrol over.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's not easy.
It's not easy.
So thank you.
I mean, first of all, thank youfor sharing your story, because
it's obviously this is not aneasy conversation to have, I
would imagine, but thank you,thank you for sharing your story
and thank you for sheddinglight on it, Because I do
believe that we do need to havemore conversations like this and
we need to be open with eachother, because it gives other
people permission to be openwith themselves and say, oh,
(18:12):
maybe what I went through was abig deal to me, and maybe it's
not a big deal to someone else,but it's a big deal to me and
because of that it's importantand it's valid.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and I think that's why it's also so
unbelievably important to getproperly diagnosed.
This was one of my obviouslybig fears in the beginning.
I didn't want to be like, butnow I have come to realize that
there's a really big chance thatif you get diagnosed, you may
not have an anxiety disorder,which is wonderful because they
(18:46):
can give you other tools to helpyourself in this moment.
If you do end up having ananxiety disorder, it's also
wonderful in a way, because nowyou get to understand yourself.
You get to understand why youare the way you are and what
kind of tools you need in yourtoolkit, without which you
wouldn't know.
So it's so, so, so, soimportant to find a doctor, a
(19:16):
psychiatrist or psychologistthat you resonate with.
It's okay to say no and tochoose somebody else that you
feel comfortable with and getyourself properly diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I love that.
So how?
How do you feel that that hashelped you in your life, in your
story?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think it has helped me a lot, because it's helped
me Like.
One of the things about this isthat you often feel like you're
going crazy or you're goinginsane.
You often feel like you areimagining things or maybe it's
not as bad as you think, andthose thoughts can get extremely
(19:55):
intrusive and you can becomeextremely doubtful.
And when you have panic attacks, when you have episodes of
panic, all reasonable thoughtleaves your mind.
Like I'm talking to you herenow, that doesn't exist at all
in that moment and you cannotlogically explain to yourself
(20:18):
okay, I'm having a panic attack,like my brain is knocking out
the alarm gloss, it's sendingall of these signs and signals
you go to I'm having a heartattack, I'm having a stroke, and
you go through that wholeprocess of again, it cannot just
be stress.
It must be way worse than likeanxiety.
Anxiety can do this to you wayworse than like anxiety.
(20:41):
Anxiety can't do this to you.
So it's so, so, so important tounderstand that um and to know
what the what, the differentparameters are and how you're
going to see where you need togo do you mind?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
do you mind sharing some tools that have been very
helpful and supportive for you?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah.
So for me, one of the toolsthat have been really good for
me is, first and foremost,finding a psychiatrist I feel
comfortable with.
For me, in the beginning, I hada very I went.
It took a year to diagnose mecorrectly.
I went through all the tests Iwas with a cardiologist, I was
(21:22):
with a neurologist, I was with agastroenterologist, so
everything was tested beforethey diagnosed me with this,
which was great because theyruled out him.
Um, but I did find that I thinkI had three psychiatrists
(21:44):
before I I have the one that'swalked the longest path with me,
and the reason for that wasjust that I never felt good if I
was in a situation where theconsultation was super fast and
the first thing they almost saidis you have anxiety, here's
medication.
Yeah.
So you know, make sure theytake the time to speak with you,
to ask questions, to discover,to make an effort to understand
(22:09):
if there's something else theycan do for you.
Is this really it?
Have they done all the tests?
That's something that helped mea lot, because that gives you
in your calmer moments, thepeace of mind that you need to
be able to tell yourself okay,this is what's happening to me
when these things happen.
This is how I am wired.
It's been confirmed.
(22:29):
I understand what I can do tohelp myself.
And then the second part of that, once you know this, is to
start identifying your triggers.
What's triggering your?
So anxiety attacks aredifferent from panic attacks.
Not all anxiety disorders lookthe same.
For me specifically, I neededto find out what is triggering
(22:50):
my panic attacks, and then thereare things that I realized I
don't do well with, like, forexample, large crowds, big
noises and a lot of flashinglights.
I can't get hungry.
I need to have kind of physicalexertion every day.
With that, keeping in mind thatthere are some triggers that I
(23:14):
will never fully understand,that come back from subconscious
trauma which you can't stop.
But those were the two biggestthings for me finding that
doctor that really takes thetime to understand and then
figuring out what your triggersare.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, that's huge.
That's huge.
And and, yeah, understandingthat sometimes we don't know
what the triggers are and that'sokay.
You have in.
In the beginning, I shared youra one three emotional projector
and and one part of that you andI both are one threes is our
profile and the one line, yeah,so I think we have some I'm a
(23:54):
one three sacral manifestinggenerator, though so, uh,
different, but the, the profileis the same, and one of the
things that I love that you keepreiterating is uh is for me,
like my language is is that thatone line coming out, because
the one line is the investigator.
And I do really well when I canunderstand something.
(24:20):
So if I have, like you'resaying, like once you have the
diagnosis, or once I figured outthese triggers, or once I did
the research on this medicationor whatever it is like, the
investigator does really wellwith data and and and
investigating and researching.
(24:41):
It's also called a researcher,so I don't know.
That's just really interestingto me and I love that.
And and for me, I'm very muchthe same way.
I think that we havesimilarities, especially when
you shared with your theskincare portion of.
I want to be able to feel likeI'm in control in some way, and
(25:03):
I think that that's prettynormal for a lot of people.
We want to feel in control ofour lives and everyone has that
different sliding scale of howmuch control they need to hold
and how much surrender they'reable to give, and so being able
to have some sort of like, to meit's a, it is a control thing
(25:23):
when I can understand thescience or the diagnosis or the
reason behind something.
That is calming to me in ingeneral, just just knowing and
understanding if that makessense.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I want to talk skincarebecause I am curious.
(25:45):
I mean, you gave us a littleteaser of it was something that
you could control and, havingvery sensitive skin, you and I
are approaching this from adifferent perspective.
I just have sensitive skin LikeI grew up.
I was born with, born with Idon't know.
I even as a baby my mom says Ihad really dry, sensitive skin
(26:06):
and she tried everything Likeshe tried the natural things,
she tried what the doctorssuggest, she tried lotions and
oils and you know coconut oiland baby oil and all of it and
everything, everything,everything.
So growing up and I've had adifferent degrees, I used to
have more psoriasis and I wouldget patches on my face or on my
(26:28):
hands of really dry skin, andnow it's kind of like a little
more equalized.
But I still do have prettysensitive skin and I'm very
mindful of what I put on my skin, especially ingredients, wise,
um.
So I had the gift of tryingthese skincare products and I
(26:49):
absolutely love them, I do haveto say, because I have very dry
skin.
One of the things that I lovethe most is that it's
moisturizing, like even the facewash.
I've used face washes beforethat you wash your face and then
you feel like tight, you'relike my skin is already so dry
and now I have to lather on somuch moisturizer and then you go
(27:09):
to bed and you wake up and yourskin is dry again.
So I really do love that, lovethat there's no smell, like
literally no smell.
A lot of things say unfragrancedand then they still have a
smell.
But this like you.
You're like, are you putting?
If you couldn't feel anything,you wouldn't know that you're
putting anything on your facebecause you can't smell it at
all.
Um, so I really do love thosetwo things.
(27:31):
But I just went on a tangenttalking about the skincare.
What's my question?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Tell me about this skincare and then I'll tell you
more things that I love.
But, thank, thank you, for Ireally do, I really do love, I
really do love the product sofar.
They're super in line with whatmy skin needs too, which is oh.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm so happy you enjoyed them, and it's great to
hear that.
Because, too which is, oh, I'mso happy you enjoyed them and
it's great to hear that because,um figgy is specifically made
for dry, sensitive skin.
We don't advertise as anythingelse We've had many times where
people ask us I have oily skinand can I use it?
I I mean, if you want to use itand you have a great experience
with it, I love that for you,but I'm never going to recommend
(28:16):
it to you because we reallyreally formulated it for dry and
sensitive skin and that's whatyou were talking about with a
cleanser as well, because Icompletely stand by my double
cleanse, but for somebody withdry, sensitive skin, that can be
a lot for your skin to handle.
So I wanted it to be a cleanserduo that didn't leave your skin
(28:39):
completely stripped but clean.
So it's interesting that yousay that, because a lot of times
when people try the products,especially at events or trade
shows, they're often confusedwhen we then give them the
moisturizer, because afterthey've tried the cleanser, they
think they've had themoisturizer.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I could see that.
For sure, I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I like the double cleanse.
Yeah yeah, the double cleanseis something that took quite a
while to formulate, but what'sreally special about our
products is that it's made withrooibos tea.
Have you ever had rooibos tea?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I haven't.
I know what it is, but I thinkI've had like maybe something
that uh, rooibos tea.
Have you ever had rooibos tea?
I haven't, I know what it is,but I I think I've had like
maybe something that has rooibosin it, but I've never straight
up.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So if you have the chance to actually have straight
up pure south african rooibostea, you should try it.
And I mean south africans, wegrow up with this Like that's
the first thing you get in yourbaby bottle after mommy's milk,
right, because this they call ita tea, but it's actually a herb
(29:46):
, so you're actually drinking aherbal brew.
It's not from the Camillussinensis plant and it has
decades of scientific researchbehind it, like from all corners
of the world.
And if you drink it as a tea,it's been proven to be cancer
preventative because of its veryunique anti-inflammatory
properties.
It's been proven to helpprevent heart disease, diabetes
(30:11):
They've just finished new testswith it that proves that it is
an intense help to irritablebowel syndrome, again because of
this inflammation, um, and it'sa very unique antioxidant.
So it only grows in a verysmall part of south africa,
specifically in that region, andit has a polyphenol structure
(30:34):
or structure to the plant thatno other plant or species on
earth has.
And we actually had an issuewhere france tried to reproduce
it and plant it and sell it asrooibos and south africa won the
court case to say that youcan't do that because as soon as
you take it out of thatspecific region, it loses all of
its magical properties.
(30:55):
It's not the same.
It doesn't have any of thoseabilities yeah it has to grow in
that soil, in that climate.
Um, and we want the protecteddesignation of origins.
So you know it's, it's just sowell researched.
Also, as a topical application,we use it for baby bum creams
because it's so good at soothingsensitive skin.
(31:15):
It's a natural antimicrobial,um, if you're struggling with
acne.
Um, it's, it's moisturizing.
So all of our products containrooibos.
Um, for that, extra, extra,super sensitive you know,
something I am interested to see.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean, maybe I've been using it two weeks now, um,
but I will say, in the past I Itypically like sometime around
my cycle, like a week before mycycle, I'll get some like just a
couple little acne bumps orwhatever.
So I am curious to see, afterusing it for a month or so or
(31:55):
more, if that happens, if thathappens, to go away too with you
just, oh, I would be sointerested to know.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean, we do have to understand that there are also
obviously internal things thataffect our skin that no skincare
product can ever cure,unfortunately.
But it does help to avoidputting things on sensitive skin
that has been scientificallyproven to upset sensitive skin.
So that goes back to what yousaid.
It really has no smell and thereason for that is most
sensitive skincare products arefragrance free, but they are
(32:25):
filled with essential oils and,unfortunately, if you have
sensitive skin, you can be verysensitive to that because it
comes from plants, botanicals,fruits, fruits, and it's very
highly concentrated and theseplants and botanicals have their
own natural fragrances thatupset your skin and the fruits
(32:46):
have natural exfoliating acidswhich you should absolutely
avoid if you have sensitive skinyeah, yeah, and I haven't.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I mean, there's been a few, a few products that I
found over the years thatobviously work, but I don't
always love I think I wastelling you this in the
beginning.
I've tried the natural stuffand sometimes they just still
smell, like I'm like we don'tneed that strong of a scent.
Whatever it is I don't evenknow what was in my, in my stuff
(33:18):
, but it is.
It is really great.
Um, so, yeah, we have a doublecleanser moisturizer.
I was curious and I should havelooked on your website.
But how about, like eye stuff?
What about the anti-aging stuff?
Do you have anything in there,ingredients wise or product wise
(33:39):
?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, so what you got is the SensiSoul regimen, and
the whole point of that is goingback to the absolute basics,
which is really what you needwhen you have sensitive skin.
Unfortunately, as sensitivesouls, we just can't do all
those intense, targetedtreatments.
We have to bring our skin backto a good basis, so cleanse and
moisturize, and we recentlylaunched our two new products.
(34:05):
One is the miracle mist, whichjust won the universal beauty
awards silver award for besttoning mist of 2025, so we're
super happy.
Um, yeah, it's our highestconcentration rooibos and it's.
You can use it as a hydratingrefresher.
I use it for bug bites, eczemaoutbreaks on my little girl, to
(34:28):
set your makeup to tone.
It's really like an all-rounder.
And then the second one is ourslow glow serum, and that is our
first say anti-aging forsensitive skin, because I
absolutely cannot tolerateretinol.
I get the worst effects from it.
Um, so this serum it took twoyears to develop and it has the
(34:54):
lowest percentage of retinol ofany serum on the market.
And it has a very special formof retinol which has to go
through a little process in yourskin before it gets absorbed to
do the things that it does.
So it takes out that immediatekind of harshness and
inflammation and it's, as I say,a super low percentage.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And we combine that with the rooibos and barrage
seed oil to still calm andsoothe and then it helps with
your dark spots and uneven skintone and since we launched that
one, we also won the award foremerging indie brand of the year
wow, oh my gosh, are we allowedto say what you shared with me
(35:36):
about launching into a differentstore?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
yes, of course.
Yes, yes, um, tell us.
We're opening our we launchedin the uk and we're opening our
own store in Scotland in twoweeks, so that would be the 17th
of April.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for you.
I love all of this.
I also really love the science.
I actually one of my previouslives I worked for a skincare
company.
So learning the and I lovelearning that's part of the one
line too so like not relatednecessarily to my business, but
learning the science behindingredients and formulations and
(36:13):
like how to create.
I mean not that I know anythingreally about it, but I love
learning about it and I reallylike how we can.
I really really like how thisis targeted towards sensitive
skin, because I have not comeacross like you said.
They market it's for sensitiveskin and I would try it and it
(36:40):
wouldn't.
Thing for me is I go to bed andfeel moisturized and then I
wake up and I feel very dry andI don't like nobody likes to
have their skin feel dry.
It's just not a comfortablefeeling, um, so I don't like
that.
I don't like waking up andfeeling like my skin is.
I have to immediately run tothe bathroom and like put more
(37:04):
moisturizer on, or you make itthrough halfway through your day
and you have your you know yourmakeup on and then you're like
scratching your face becauseyour skin's so dry.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, that's a horrible feeling.
And also just to maybe explainthat kind of connection between
anxiety and how your skin acts,because you were talking about
your psoriasis and the reasonwhy anxiety is linked to that is
because when you go into such aperiod of stress, your brain
(37:34):
dumps a whole bunch of cortisoland adrenaline into your body
and that tells your body fight,you know, get ready, be aware.
And it sends all of thesesignals to your nerve endings to
be ready, and all of your mostsensitive nerve endings are just
beneath the first layer of skin.
So your brain's gettingconfused, it's sending all of
(37:55):
these signals, your nerveendings are starting to fire and
that's why you get thisuncomfortable sensation of
burning, itching, redness.
If you have psoriasis or eczema, shingles, um, you may notice
that it's worse when you'resuper stressed because of that
whole process going through yourbody, causing that inflammation
(38:16):
and making it worse, or orbreakouts even, um, so it's
really such a connected processthat we don't think about
there's there's such aconnection between the mind and
the skin, which we often forgetis our largest organ.
We're so concerned with theheart and the liver and the
(38:37):
kidneys and the gut, but it'sour largest organ, so it only
makes sense that it would be oneof those most affected by
whatever is happening in themind.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, thank you for explaining that.
So let's let's then talk aboutFiggy Soul, because that is your
community platform, and Iimagine that there's a lot of
fun teachings of what you justshared, similar to what you just
shared connecting skin and orother symptoms, right like you
(39:09):
mentioned your gut health andall of that too.
So can you tell me a little bitabout that community?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
yeah, so figgy soul is an online learning platform
and that speaks purely to how todeal with an anxiety disorder
or a heightened level of stress.
So it's a dualistic approach.
The skincare looks at theexternal one of the external
(39:35):
symptoms, which is sensitiveskin, and then Figgy Soul looks
at the inner, the soul, thespirit, the mind, and it's based
on my own journey.
I present the courses and Itake you literally from the
breaking, from the moment whereyou're diagnosed or you go
through this big shift in yourlife, or maybe you had burnout
(39:57):
or whatever it is from themoment you're there where you're
so broken that you absolutelydo not know what's going on.
Should you see a doctor?
Shouldn't you?
Who should you talk to?
What questions should you beasking?
No-transcript, unfortunately.
(40:36):
I wish I could, but I can't cureyou.
I don't have the cure, I don'thave the golden ticket, I don't
have the answer.
If I did, I wouldn't be in thissituation.
But I have learned how to readmy manual well and I can teach
you how to read yours so thatyou can be the best that you can
(40:57):
be with the way that you arewired.
Because I think we'recontinuously getting this
message, when you're diagnosedwith an anxiety disorder, that
you are somehow wrong, you'rebroken, you're not functioning
the way you should befunctioning, and I used to
believe that too, and I justsimply don't anymore, because
(41:21):
nothing I do is going to changethe way that I have been made,
so I need to understand how do Iwork with that?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I like that you know that's a big, that's a big
pillar of my business is in mycommunity is that there's so
many people out there gonna tellyou, like, what the right
answer is, what the goldenticket is for whatever to find
business success, to cure youranxiety disorder, to find the
(41:53):
right person, whatever the topicis.
There's so many people out therethat are kind of spurting out
this is, this is the answer.
And we're so individual, we haveso many differences and there's
no possible way that I couldtell you what the right thing is
for you.
(42:15):
But I can share what the rightthing is, what things have
worked for me, and teach you howto like in my line of work, how
to look at your human designand how to use those tools, how
you're uniquely created anddesigned and then how you can
continue to build your lifewhatever you want to do.
(42:35):
So I really love that aboutFiggy and I know that I could
have used you a couple years ago.
Like, I know that there's somany people out there when we're
struggling, we don't know whereto turn, especially if it's
something new and scary orthrowing us off, and that's one
(42:59):
of the reasons that I have thesepodcasts is because we have to.
We have to talk more about howyou know our stories and how we
can help, and and I love thatyou created this platform and
this community, um, that notonly looks on the outside but
also looks on the inside and hasthese, these views, beautiful
(43:20):
juicy nuggets I can imagine thatit's a really great platform
and so often platform and soauthentic too.
I find you very authentic.
I feel like I could talk to youforever.
Um, I want to talk about.
I want to pull up your oh, yeah, okay, this makes sense.
Um, I want to pull up yourhuman design chart.
(43:43):
What I was just saying makessense.
I hate when people do that.
So I've not talked about thisand this is actually not what I
was going to talk about, but Iwant to point something out
because I think it's really cool.
I was pulling up your humandesign chart and we have what's
called an incarnation cross, andour incarnation cross is kind
of like our life's purpose.
Did you ever dive into this?
When you dove into human design?
A?
little bit, but it wasn'texplained to me in in detail,
(44:06):
like this is all new to me, okay, okay so this is a very small
part of human design, but in myopinion, we don't talk about it
enough, and I think that weshould.
One of the reasons probably thebiggest reason we don't talk
most human design people don'tpublicly talk about it is
because, like, there's fiveenergy types, there's only five
(44:28):
different energy types,incarnation crosses.
There's like thousands ofincarnation crosses, so I can't
tell you what your incarnationcross means like by itself,
without doing like an in-depthkind of conversation, but what I
can tell you is our incarnationcross is our life purpose, so
(44:48):
one of the fun things to do islike go Google your incarnation
cross.
It says the right angle, crossof planning, three.
So there's not just likeplanning, there's like one, two,
three, a bunch of them, um, andyou can Google it and read it,
and it will kind of, as you'rereading it, lean into what
(45:08):
resonates with you, what kind ofstands out with, where you have
kind of built your life and howyou're aligning to your purpose
.
One of the things that I waslooking at, though, is we either
have a right angle or a leftangle.
We only have one or two, so theright angles and I am a right
angle as well is we do reallywell.
(45:30):
Part of our life purpose is toactually share what we've
personally experienced, and wewill experience a lot, and one
invitation that we have in humandesign, in our life I mean
looking at our human design isthat we have that invitation to
share what we've experienced,especially with the three line
(45:51):
in human design which you alsohave, that trial and error,
especially our trial and error,especially our failures, because
our failures always lead us toright here, right now, how we
got here.
It might've taught us whatdoesn't work.
It might taught us we mighthave had a couple of failures to
then find what does work, butwe never really fail right, we
(46:14):
always just learn and we can'tever really fail.
So the right angles is sharingfrom a more personal.
This is exactly what I wentthrough and this is what helped
me versus left angles are moregeneral, like just for the
people I guess you could explainit that way.
(46:34):
Um, so, when you're talking,that's what I, when I said I
want to pull up your chart.
Oh, that makes sense, is aright angle and and that to me
is like confirmation for myselfI'll just speak for myself that
I'm living in alignment.
When I learned my incarnationcross and I learned, I reflected
(46:57):
, on how I lead my business.
I'm never here to tell you whatthe right thing is.
All I can tell you is what'sworked for me and what resonates
with me, and those are humandesign, cycle alignment, breath
work, um, podcasting, havingconversations with people.
That works for me and I'm goingto give you that invitation
(47:18):
because I've experienced it.
Um, so that's a little bitabout your design chart.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's so cool.
Thank you for sharing that withme.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Google your
incarnation cross, because itcan be really powerful.
So thank you so much for comingon.
I have one more question, butbefore we do our last question,
where can people find you?
Where do you hang out?
How can they try?
If you're listening and you'relike I have dry, sensitive,
(47:47):
sensitive skin please give methese skincare products where.
Where can people connect?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
so, uh, you can go to figgybeautycom and, uh, there
you'll find the skincare andfiggy soul.
And to celebrate our launchingin target in april, we have, for
the rest of the month of aprilon our website, an offer where
you can try before you buy theskincare.
So you can go, you can order it, you can get it, you can use it
(48:15):
for a week and if you like it,the it will get paid, and if not
, you don't pay.
So you can go and try that, um.
And you can find us oninstagram at figgybeauty um.
And if you're in the UK, youcan obviously come to our store
and also find us online there.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Ma'am, maybe I'll just plan a trip to the UK.
I've always wanted to go toScotland, so maybe we'll use
that as an excuse.
Thank you for coming.
The last question is if you had, you're standing on a stage and
you have a microphone and youhave the opportunity to share
one message with the world, whatwould that message be?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
please let me help you if you need it.
I mean, that's just really anheartfelt, open invitation.
I feel like so many of us areseeking, but we don't know where
to find, and if you are seeking, I may be able to help you I
love that.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I, like so many of us , are seeking, but we don't know
where to find.
We don't, yeah, but we willfind the right people when I
believe we'll find the rightpeople when we need it.
And hopefully this I know thatthis episode will speak to a lot
of people and we'll find theright people.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Thank you so much for coming on.
This is a really greatconversation.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Thank you, I'm so glad to be here.
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today I am joined by Jean.
She's the founder of Figgy andFiggy Soul, which is a skincare
company, and I have to I'm goingto let you introduce yourself
in a second, but I have to likeshare a little bit in one second
(00:23):
.
She's also a one threeemotional projector, before I
forget that.
But when, when you first reachedout to me, I was like I don't
know, do I want to have someonelike on a skincare that sells
skincare on my podcast?
That's not.
That's interesting, like whydid you reach out to me?
And then we hopped on a calland we're chatting and one of
the things that I love so muchabout you and I love so much
(00:45):
about having this conversationis that we are talking about two
things that I've never heardtalked about in the same
sentence, which is anxiety,panic disorder and skincare.
So I'm super excited to havethis conversation with you.
I'm going to let you introduceyourself now and then we're
(01:06):
going to kind of talk about howthose two can even be in the
same sentence together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh cool, Thank you so much.
So I'm so happy to be here.
I am Jean, the founder of FiggyBeauty and Figgy Soul, and I'm
just a panicked overachieverfinding my way through life like
everybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I love it.
It's true, yeah, we're alltrying.
We're all trying to figure itout.
I also really want to talkabout you being a projector,
because I know that you know alittle bit about human design as
well.
So we'll get, we'll get allinto that, and emotional
projector, I mean, there's a lotof pieces, I think, that I
(01:49):
would love to bring together,but first of all, let's start at
the beginning.
How do we, how do we get fromanxiety, panic disorder to
founding a skincare company?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, so the skincare was really founded out of kind
of raw survival instinct.
Because when I was diagnosedwith panic disorder and I'm sure
we will talk about what it isand what it isn't, but, if I can
kind of say it in quotationmarks, you know I was diagnosed
(02:25):
before it was cool for everybodyhad an anxiety disorder, so it
was still very much stigmatized.
I came from a background thatdidn't, that was filled with
mental illness but never talkedabout just very bizarre
behaviors.
So it was a very difficultdiagnosis for me to accept.
It took a long time to diagnoseme correctly and there's a lot
(02:50):
about it that I cannot control,which is very hard for me and my
personality type and just me asa person, and I needed to find
something, no matter how smallof my diagnosis, that I could
feel I had control over, and oneof my biggest external symptoms
is very sensitive skin.
I'm South African.
(03:11):
I know rooibos, the mainingredient we use.
I grew up drinking the tea.
I grew up with it, using it onmy skin, so I knew about this
ingredient and I decided well,this is something I think I can
do to make me feel like I'm,just like I have one still foot
(03:31):
in the storm.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I love that, and I think a lot of
people can relate to findingsomething out and feeling like
you have no control over it andthat's so difficult to deal with
.
And what a powerful way thatyou moved through that situation
(03:53):
or continue to right.
It's not like we ever achieveanything.
So I'm curious you said youknow before before it became
popular in quotes, and I reallywant to.
I really want to kind of divein there, because I agree with
you and and, and I think one ofmy most important messages,
(04:17):
especially with anxiety, is thateveryone's anxiety is different
.
So I don't ever want to comefrom a place of like you are not
experiencing this or bringinganyone down in the same breath.
I also do think that we use theterm anxiety very lightly and
very loosely today and we use italmost in different meanings,
(04:40):
right, like sometimes it'sexcited, like I'm really anxious
to have this conversation withyou today, and it's not like I'm
like having an anxiety attack.
It's that I'm kind of excitedto have this conversation with
you today, or I was reallyanxious to go into that meeting,
and it's maybe meaning morelike nervous.
So I'm curious to hear youdefine what is anxiety.
(05:02):
What's a panic disorder, and Iwould love to start with what is
it not?
And then, once we define whatit's not, then we can define
what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah.
So I mean, I think I would justlike to kind of set the
foundation as confirming thatit's not at all, that I
obviously don't believe thereare things like I have been
diagnosed with an anxietydisorder.
It's not that I want to takeaway from somebody's very, very
scary experience.
I'm just saying that there is alot of kind of focus on anxiety
(05:40):
at the moment in the world thatI feel has shifted to a space
where those of us that reallyreally really do struggle and
have been properly diagnosedhave extra challenges to face in
trying to exist in this world.
So what anxiety is not is, it'sfor sure, not some kind of pop
(06:04):
culture cool word like if youwatch these real reality tv
shows, how often do you hearsomebody saying, oh, you're
giving me so such anxiety rightnow.
Or, yeah, I went to my coffeeshop and they didn't have my
latte and gave me such anxiety.
That is not.
That is not anxiety.
And you know we do live in aworld where we have been blessed
(06:29):
with a myriad of human emotionsand not all of them are fun.
It's not nice and fun to feelangry or frustrated or irritated
or sad or, you know, really sad, and it's also not a great
feeling to be super stressed,but it's normal.
(06:49):
It's part of the normal frameof human emotion.
Stress is a good thing incertain senses, because it
activates your fight or flight.
It helps you understand whenthere's danger.
It helps you prepare for bigmoments like that kind of
stressed, fluttering feeling youget before a big speech or an
important meeting.
And it's completely normal tohave phases and stages in our
(07:13):
lives on a weekly basis wherewe're more stressed than we are
at other times.
Right so anxiety is not stress.
There is a difference betweenstress and anxiety.
Stress is something thathappens to you because of a
certain situation, and when thatsituation or something
(07:35):
connected to it is cleared up,the stress goes away.
So you're really stressed aboutthe speech.
When the speech is over, youfeel so much better.
Over you feel so much better.
And of course there can beother instances that overlap
with a kind of heightened,chronic period of stress in your
life.
For example, perhaps you'veexperienced burnout, perhaps
(07:55):
you've gone through a reallydifficult life change, or
perhaps you've just been in akind of business situation where
you've been operating on a veryhigh stress level for a long
period of time and you need someintermediate help to help you
kind of cross this bridge backinto a place of normalcy.
But again, like that is chronicor heightened stress.
(08:20):
It's not anxiety or heightenedstress.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's not anxiety.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Anxiety, on the other hand, is actually anxiety
disorder.
There are many different types.
Those include general anxietydisorder, generalized anxiety
disorder, panic disorder.
Obsessive compulsive disorderis a type of anxiety, and what
(08:46):
differentiates anxiety fromstress is where you go down from
stress, feeling better when thesituation is cleared up.
You never, ever, come down fromthat.
When you're anxious, it is sointense that you cannot function
normally every day becauseyou're always shaking.
Every day, because you'reyou're always shaking, you're
(09:07):
always buzzing, you're alwaysconcerned and overwhelmed with
these constant worries andoverwhelming thoughts.
And then what happens is your,your body starts sending these
fight or flight signals.
Right, Everything starts goingcrazy run, hide, protect
yourself.
And when that happens to you ona daily basis, when you're
(09:30):
never coming down from that,your body starts getting
fatigued and it starts gettingtired and it starts sending
wrong signals because it'sconfused.
So you may see something.
It may not be stressful toanybody else around you, but
your body may interpret it asokay, this is a tiger, it's
(09:51):
attacking me.
Yeah, that is anxiety, and withthat comes an entire life
change, because it affectseverything in your life.
Because it affects everythingin your life, you know it has
little tentacles that reach out.
So you may have gut issues likeirritable bowel syndrome or
(10:14):
Crohn's disease or celiac or youknow any other type of gut
issue that comes with thatanxiety, insomnia, migraine
attacks, food sensitivities,having really weird or bizarre
symptoms when you get hungry,sensitivity to light, smell,
(10:37):
touch, sound that living withthat every single day, that is
anxiety.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Thank you that living with that every single day,
that is anxiety, thank you.
Thank you for defining that andand really kind of shedding
light on both of them.
And again, not that we'renegating anyone's situation, and
oh, not call it stress, call itanxiety, but, but I do think
that it's really important tohave these conversations,
because we also don't reallyknow what we're going through
(11:13):
until somebody shares it with us.
And somebody shares and we hearsome information about like, oh
, maybe this is something that Ineed to look into or that I
need to learn more about.
So I think it's reallyimportant to have that
conversation.
I'm curious if you're willingto share a little bit more about
your story, how that experiencewas kind of going through the
(11:38):
diagnosis process.
But now I mean, this has beenwhen did you found FIGI?
Figi was founded in 2022.
Okay, yeah, so, yeah, so thishas at least been a few years.
Um, so how, yeah, how has thatjourney been from the beginning
to where you are now?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So for me it's been, it was.
I've always had issues withanxiety.
My entire life I've been.
It's affected me.
For example, I would get sobefore I understood the
difference stressed becausethat's what I thought it was.
(12:18):
I would regularly have, like Ihad periods where twice a month,
I would have, uh, symptoms akinto food poisoning, you know,
like I've eaten something wrong,I'd be vomiting, I'd be sick, I
wouldn't be able to functionfor three days and this was all
a symptom of my stress.
You know, this was just.
This is how I operated.
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I was always shaking, I wasalways overthinking things, I
was always, you know, makingthings so big in my mind, um,
but I came from a difficultupbringing with, um, long
periods of of sexual abuse, um,a lot of very horrific, deeply
(13:03):
rooted generational trauma in myfamily, undiagnosed mental
illnesses, and the message to mewas always you're always so
sensitive, why are you alwaysstressing so much?
Why can't you just be normal?
You know, if I would cry, forexample, if I was sensitive, I
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would be told I was once toldwhy are you peeing out of your
eyes again?
Can't you just get yourselftogether?
So these are the messages thatI had and I just figured, I'm
wrong.
There's nothing medicallydiagnosable about it.
I'm just weird, I'm just wrong.
(13:44):
You know there's nothing likemedically diagnosable about.
I'm just weird, I'm just wrong.
And with that came the messagealso, if we come from this
history of such intense trauma,what happened to you is bad, but
it's not as bad as so listen,stand still, you know, and and
one of the favorite things thatI was told very often is the
world owes you nothing Get upand be stronger and those things
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kind of settle into you and itbecomes your own, it becomes how
you define yourself.
So when I was properlydiagnosed in 2015, I completely
ignored it and that's what madeit so bad in the breaking 2020
(14:27):
and 2021.
Because the first thing Ithought was well, I cannot have
this, because this means I'mlike them and I don't want to be
like them.
And I didn't understand thatit's completely different.
Like all, mental illnesses arenot the same.
And also, I found that thegroup of anxiety disorder I have
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, which is panic disorder, isn'tnecessarily genetic.
It's born from complexpost-traumatic stress, which is,
long periods of being exposedto trauma committed by somebody
in a position of trust to you,and so small pieces of my life
started kind of making sense,you know.
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And that's how I verydifficultly went from being
diagnosed, understanding thediagnosis and still today,
trying my best to accept it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
One of the things that you said about trauma,
which I love having thisconversation of trauma is oh, I
didn't think like we alwayscompare and we're like, well,
mine isn't like this or mineisn't as bad as someone else's
and I'm sure you know this, butI don't want to misquote, but
(15:46):
I'm pretty sure it's.
Gabor Mate is uh, says thattrauma isn't what happens to you
, it's how you, your body,responds to it.
So you and I could go through,and Bessel van der Kolk too,
because he did a lot of studieson PTSD and and um veterans, and
so two army people, soldiers,could go through the same
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experience and one has strongsymptoms of PTSD and the other
doesn't, or they show up somedifferent way, just like you're
talking about the anxietydisorders.
There's so many different kindsand even I would imagine, if we
pull together 10 people thatare diagnosed with panic
disorder, that they're all goingto have different symptoms and
(16:29):
they're all going to havedifferent experiences of how
they walk through life and pastexperiences, what happened to
them, and we spend so much time.
I know I resonate with that, notthat my story is anywhere
similar to yours, but I resonatewith the kind of plain
downplaying things that I'vegone, that have happened to me,
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that I've experienced in my life, and saying, oh well, it's not
as bad as this and why can't Ijust kind of get over it?
Right, and and thankfully I I'mI am so blessed that I didn't
have someone telling me that,like why can't you just get over
it?
I actually had told peopletelling me it's OK, what you
went through and you have toexperience, you have to
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acknowledge it.
But I can't imagine, I can'timagine that everyone can
resonate with this to some level, especially when we're talking
in terms of these uncomfortableemotions.
Like you said in the beginning,nobody really wants to
experience anxiety, to whateverlevel you do.
Nobody wants to experiencepanic, nobody wants to
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experience grief and trauma andprocessing.
You know, these things thatmaybe have happened to them,
that they felt that they had nocontrol over.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's not easy.
It's not easy.
So thank you.
I mean, first of all, thank youfor sharing your story, because
it's obviously this is not aneasy conversation to have, I
would imagine, but thank you,thank you for sharing your story
and thank you for sheddinglight on it, Because I do
believe that we do need to havemore conversations like this and
we need to be open with eachother, because it gives other
people permission to be openwith themselves and say, oh,
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maybe what I went through was abig deal to me, and maybe it's
not a big deal to someone else,but it's a big deal to me and
because of that it's importantand it's valid.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and I think that's why it's also so
unbelievably important to getproperly diagnosed.
This was one of my obviouslybig fears in the beginning.
I didn't want to be like, butnow I have come to realize that
there's a really big chance thatif you get diagnosed, you may
not have an anxiety disorder,which is wonderful because they
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can give you other tools to helpyourself in this moment.
If you do end up having ananxiety disorder, it's also
wonderful in a way, because nowyou get to understand yourself.
You get to understand why youare the way you are and what
kind of tools you need in yourtoolkit, without which you
wouldn't know.
So it's so, so, so, soimportant to find a doctor, a
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psychiatrist or psychologistthat you resonate with.
It's okay to say no and tochoose somebody else that you
feel comfortable with and getyourself properly diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I love that.
So how?
How do you feel that that hashelped you in your life, in your
story?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think it has helped me a lot, because it's helped
me Like.
One of the things about this isthat you often feel like you're
going crazy or you're goinginsane.
You often feel like you areimagining things or maybe it's
not as bad as you think, andthose thoughts can get extremely
(19:55):
intrusive and you can becomeextremely doubtful.
And when you have panic attacks, when you have episodes of
panic, all reasonable thoughtleaves your mind.
Like I'm talking to you herenow, that doesn't exist at all
in that moment and you cannotlogically explain to yourself
(20:18):
okay, I'm having a panic attack,like my brain is knocking out
the alarm gloss, it's sendingall of these signs and signals
you go to I'm having a heartattack, I'm having a stroke, and
you go through that wholeprocess of again, it cannot just
be stress.
It must be way worse than likeanxiety.
Anxiety can do this to you wayworse than like anxiety.
(20:41):
Anxiety can't do this to you.
So it's so, so, so important tounderstand that um and to know
what the what, the differentparameters are and how you're
going to see where you need togo do you mind?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
do you mind sharing some tools that have been very
helpful and supportive for you?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah.
So for me, one of the toolsthat have been really good for
me is, first and foremost,finding a psychiatrist I feel
comfortable with.
For me, in the beginning, I hada very I went.
It took a year to diagnose mecorrectly.
I went through all the tests Iwas with a cardiologist, I was
(21:22):
with a neurologist, I was with agastroenterologist, so
everything was tested beforethey diagnosed me with this,
which was great because theyruled out him.
Um, but I did find that I thinkI had three psychiatrists
(21:44):
before I I have the one that'swalked the longest path with me,
and the reason for that wasjust that I never felt good if I
was in a situation where theconsultation was super fast and
the first thing they almost saidis you have anxiety, here's
medication.
Yeah.
So you know, make sure theytake the time to speak with you,
to ask questions, to discover,to make an effort to understand
(22:09):
if there's something else theycan do for you.
Is this really it?
Have they done all the tests?
That's something that helped mea lot, because that gives you
in your calmer moments, thepeace of mind that you need to
be able to tell yourself okay,this is what's happening to me
when these things happen.
This is how I am wired.
It's been confirmed.
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I understand what I can do tohelp myself.
And then the second part of that, once you know this, is to
start identifying your triggers.
What's triggering your?
So anxiety attacks aredifferent from panic attacks.
Not all anxiety disorders lookthe same.
For me specifically, I neededto find out what is triggering
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my panic attacks, and then thereare things that I realized I
don't do well with, like, forexample, large crowds, big
noises and a lot of flashinglights.
I can't get hungry.
I need to have kind of physicalexertion every day.
With that, keeping in mind thatthere are some triggers that I
(23:14):
will never fully understand,that come back from subconscious
trauma which you can't stop.
But those were the two biggestthings for me finding that
doctor that really takes thetime to understand and then
figuring out what your triggersare.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, that's huge.
That's huge.
And and, yeah, understandingthat sometimes we don't know
what the triggers are and that'sokay.
You have in.
In the beginning, I shared youra one three emotional projector
and and one part of that you andI both are one threes is our
profile and the one line, yeah,so I think we have some I'm a
(23:54):
one three sacral manifestinggenerator, though so, uh,
different, but the, the profileis the same, and one of the
things that I love that you keepreiterating is uh is for me,
like my language is is that thatone line coming out, because
the one line is the investigator.
And I do really well when I canunderstand something.
(24:20):
So if I have, like you'resaying, like once you have the
diagnosis, or once I figured outthese triggers, or once I did
the research on this medicationor whatever it is like, the
investigator does really wellwith data and and and
investigating and researching.
(24:41):
It's also called a researcher,so I don't know.
That's just really interestingto me and I love that.
And and for me, I'm very muchthe same way.
I think that we havesimilarities, especially when
you shared with your theskincare portion of.
I want to be able to feel likeI'm in control in some way, and
(25:03):
I think that that's prettynormal for a lot of people.
We want to feel in control ofour lives and everyone has that
different sliding scale of howmuch control they need to hold
and how much surrender they'reable to give, and so being able
to have some sort of like, to meit's a, it is a control thing
(25:23):
when I can understand thescience or the diagnosis or the
reason behind something.
That is calming to me in ingeneral, just just knowing and
understanding if that makessense.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I want to talk skincarebecause I am curious.
(25:45):
I mean, you gave us a littleteaser of it was something that
you could control and, havingvery sensitive skin, you and I
are approaching this from adifferent perspective.
I just have sensitive skin LikeI grew up.
I was born with, born with Idon't know.
I even as a baby my mom says Ihad really dry, sensitive skin
(26:06):
and she tried everything Likeshe tried the natural things,
she tried what the doctorssuggest, she tried lotions and
oils and you know coconut oiland baby oil and all of it and
everything, everything,everything.
So growing up and I've had adifferent degrees, I used to
have more psoriasis and I wouldget patches on my face or on my
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hands of really dry skin, andnow it's kind of like a little
more equalized.
But I still do have prettysensitive skin and I'm very
mindful of what I put on my skin, especially ingredients, wise,
um.
So I had the gift of tryingthese skincare products and I
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absolutely love them, I do haveto say, because I have very dry
skin.
One of the things that I lovethe most is that it's
moisturizing, like even the facewash.
I've used face washes beforethat you wash your face and then
you feel like tight, you'relike my skin is already so dry
and now I have to lather on somuch moisturizer and then you go
(27:09):
to bed and you wake up and yourskin is dry again.
So I really do love that, lovethat there's no smell, like
literally no smell.
A lot of things say unfragrancedand then they still have a
smell.
But this like you.
You're like, are you putting?
If you couldn't feel anything,you wouldn't know that you're
putting anything on your facebecause you can't smell it at
all.
Um, so I really do love thosetwo things.
(27:31):
But I just went on a tangenttalking about the skincare.
What's my question?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Tell me about this skincare and then I'll tell you
more things that I love.
But, thank, thank you, for Ireally do, I really do love, I
really do love the product sofar.
They're super in line with whatmy skin needs too, which is oh.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm so happy you enjoyed them, and it's great to
hear that.
Because, too which is, oh, I'mso happy you enjoyed them and
it's great to hear that because,um figgy is specifically made
for dry, sensitive skin.
We don't advertise as anythingelse We've had many times where
people ask us I have oily skinand can I use it?
I I mean, if you want to use itand you have a great experience
with it, I love that for you,but I'm never going to recommend
(28:16):
it to you because we reallyreally formulated it for dry and
sensitive skin and that's whatyou were talking about with a
cleanser as well, because Icompletely stand by my double
cleanse, but for somebody withdry, sensitive skin, that can be
a lot for your skin to handle.
So I wanted it to be a cleanserduo that didn't leave your skin
(28:39):
completely stripped but clean.
So it's interesting that yousay that, because a lot of times
when people try the products,especially at events or trade
shows, they're often confusedwhen we then give them the
moisturizer, because afterthey've tried the cleanser, they
think they've had themoisturizer.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I could see that.
For sure, I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I like the double cleanse.
Yeah yeah, the double cleanseis something that took quite a
while to formulate, but what'sreally special about our
products is that it's made withrooibos tea.
Have you ever had rooibos tea?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I haven't.
I know what it is, but I thinkI've had like maybe something
that uh, rooibos tea.
Have you ever had rooibos tea?
I haven't, I know what it is,but I I think I've had like
maybe something that has rooibosin it, but I've never straight
up.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So if you have the chance to actually have straight
up pure south african rooibostea, you should try it.
And I mean south africans, wegrow up with this Like that's
the first thing you get in yourbaby bottle after mommy's milk,
right, because this they call ita tea, but it's actually a herb
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, so you're actually drinking aherbal brew.
It's not from the Camillussinensis plant and it has
decades of scientific researchbehind it, like from all corners
of the world.
And if you drink it as a tea,it's been proven to be cancer
preventative because of its veryunique anti-inflammatory
properties.
It's been proven to helpprevent heart disease, diabetes
(30:11):
They've just finished new testswith it that proves that it is
an intense help to irritablebowel syndrome, again because of
this inflammation, um, and it'sa very unique antioxidant.
So it only grows in a verysmall part of south africa,
specifically in that region, andit has a polyphenol structure
(30:34):
or structure to the plant thatno other plant or species on
earth has.
And we actually had an issuewhere france tried to reproduce
it and plant it and sell it asrooibos and south africa won the
court case to say that youcan't do that because as soon as
you take it out of thatspecific region, it loses all of
its magical properties.
(30:55):
It's not the same.
It doesn't have any of thoseabilities yeah it has to grow in
that soil, in that climate.
Um, and we want the protecteddesignation of origins.
So you know it's, it's just sowell researched.
Also, as a topical application,we use it for baby bum creams
because it's so good at soothingsensitive skin.
(31:15):
It's a natural antimicrobial,um, if you're struggling with
acne.
Um, it's, it's moisturizing.
So all of our products containrooibos.
Um, for that, extra, extra,super sensitive you know,
something I am interested to see.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean, maybe I've been using it two weeks now, um,
but I will say, in the past I Itypically like sometime around
my cycle, like a week before mycycle, I'll get some like just a
couple little acne bumps orwhatever.
So I am curious to see, afterusing it for a month or so or
(31:55):
more, if that happens, if thathappens, to go away too with you
just, oh, I would be sointerested to know.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean, we do have to understand that there are also
obviously internal things thataffect our skin that no skincare
product can ever cure,unfortunately.
But it does help to avoidputting things on sensitive skin
that has been scientificallyproven to upset sensitive skin.
So that goes back to what yousaid.
It really has no smell and thereason for that is most
sensitive skincare products arefragrance free, but they are
(32:25):
filled with essential oils and,unfortunately, if you have
sensitive skin, you can be verysensitive to that because it
comes from plants, botanicals,fruits, fruits, and it's very
highly concentrated and theseplants and botanicals have their
own natural fragrances thatupset your skin and the fruits
(32:46):
have natural exfoliating acidswhich you should absolutely
avoid if you have sensitive skinyeah, yeah, and I haven't.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I mean, there's been a few, a few products that I
found over the years thatobviously work, but I don't
always love I think I wastelling you this in the
beginning.
I've tried the natural stuffand sometimes they just still
smell, like I'm like we don'tneed that strong of a scent.
Whatever it is I don't evenknow what was in my, in my stuff
(33:18):
, but it is.
It is really great.
Um, so, yeah, we have a doublecleanser moisturizer.
I was curious and I should havelooked on your website.
But how about, like eye stuff?
What about the anti-aging stuff?
Do you have anything in there,ingredients wise or product wise
(33:39):
?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, so what you got is the SensiSoul regimen, and
the whole point of that is goingback to the absolute basics,
which is really what you needwhen you have sensitive skin.
Unfortunately, as sensitivesouls, we just can't do all
those intense, targetedtreatments.
We have to bring our skin backto a good basis, so cleanse and
moisturize, and we recentlylaunched our two new products.
(34:05):
One is the miracle mist, whichjust won the universal beauty
awards silver award for besttoning mist of 2025, so we're
super happy.
Um, yeah, it's our highestconcentration rooibos and it's.
You can use it as a hydratingrefresher.
I use it for bug bites, eczemaoutbreaks on my little girl, to
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set your makeup to tone.
It's really like an all-rounder.
And then the second one is ourslow glow serum, and that is our
first say anti-aging forsensitive skin, because I
absolutely cannot tolerateretinol.
I get the worst effects from it.
Um, so this serum it took twoyears to develop and it has the
(34:54):
lowest percentage of retinol ofany serum on the market.
And it has a very special formof retinol which has to go
through a little process in yourskin before it gets absorbed to
do the things that it does.
So it takes out that immediatekind of harshness and
inflammation and it's, as I say,a super low percentage.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And we combine that with the rooibos and barrage
seed oil to still calm andsoothe and then it helps with
your dark spots and uneven skintone and since we launched that
one, we also won the award foremerging indie brand of the year
wow, oh my gosh, are we allowedto say what you shared with me
(35:36):
about launching into a differentstore?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
yes, of course.
Yes, yes, um, tell us.
We're opening our we launchedin the uk and we're opening our
own store in Scotland in twoweeks, so that would be the 17th
of April.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for you.
I love all of this.
I also really love the science.
I actually one of my previouslives I worked for a skincare
company.
So learning the and I lovelearning that's part of the one
line too so like not relatednecessarily to my business, but
learning the science behindingredients and formulations and
(36:13):
like how to create.
I mean not that I know anythingreally about it, but I love
learning about it and I reallylike how we can.
I really really like how thisis targeted towards sensitive
skin, because I have not comeacross like you said.
They market it's for sensitiveskin and I would try it and it
(36:40):
wouldn't.
Thing for me is I go to bed andfeel moisturized and then I
wake up and I feel very dry andI don't like nobody likes to
have their skin feel dry.
It's just not a comfortablefeeling, um, so I don't like
that.
I don't like waking up andfeeling like my skin is.
I have to immediately run tothe bathroom and like put more
(37:04):
moisturizer on, or you make itthrough halfway through your day
and you have your you know yourmakeup on and then you're like
scratching your face becauseyour skin's so dry.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, that's a horrible feeling.
And also just to maybe explainthat kind of connection between
anxiety and how your skin acts,because you were talking about
your psoriasis and the reasonwhy anxiety is linked to that is
because when you go into such aperiod of stress, your brain
(37:34):
dumps a whole bunch of cortisoland adrenaline into your body
and that tells your body fight,you know, get ready, be aware.
And it sends all of thesesignals to your nerve endings to
be ready, and all of your mostsensitive nerve endings are just
beneath the first layer of skin.
So your brain's gettingconfused, it's sending all of
(37:55):
these signals, your nerveendings are starting to fire and
that's why you get thisuncomfortable sensation of
burning, itching, redness.
If you have psoriasis or eczema, shingles, um, you may notice
that it's worse when you'resuper stressed because of that
whole process going through yourbody, causing that inflammation
(38:16):
and making it worse, or orbreakouts even, um, so it's
really such a connected processthat we don't think about
there's there's such aconnection between the mind and
the skin, which we often forgetis our largest organ.
We're so concerned with theheart and the liver and the
(38:37):
kidneys and the gut, but it'sour largest organ, so it only
makes sense that it would be oneof those most affected by
whatever is happening in themind.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, thank you for explaining that.
So let's let's then talk aboutFiggy Soul, because that is your
community platform, and Iimagine that there's a lot of
fun teachings of what you justshared, similar to what you just
shared connecting skin and orother symptoms, right like you
(39:09):
mentioned your gut health andall of that too.
So can you tell me a little bitabout that community?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
yeah, so figgy soul is an online learning platform
and that speaks purely to how todeal with an anxiety disorder
or a heightened level of stress.
So it's a dualistic approach.
The skincare looks at theexternal one of the external
(39:35):
symptoms, which is sensitiveskin, and then Figgy Soul looks
at the inner, the soul, thespirit, the mind, and it's based
on my own journey.
I present the courses and Itake you literally from the
breaking, from the moment whereyou're diagnosed or you go
through this big shift in yourlife, or maybe you had burnout
(39:57):
or whatever it is from themoment you're there where you're
so broken that you absolutelydo not know what's going on.
Should you see a doctor?
Shouldn't you?
Who should you talk to?
What questions should you beasking?
No-transcript, unfortunately.
(40:36):
I wish I could, but I can't cureyou.
I don't have the cure, I don'thave the golden ticket, I don't
have the answer.
If I did, I wouldn't be in thissituation.
But I have learned how to readmy manual well and I can teach
you how to read yours so thatyou can be the best that you can
(40:57):
be with the way that you arewired.
Because I think we'recontinuously getting this
message, when you're diagnosedwith an anxiety disorder, that
you are somehow wrong, you'rebroken, you're not functioning
the way you should befunctioning, and I used to
believe that too, and I justsimply don't anymore, because
(41:21):
nothing I do is going to changethe way that I have been made,
so I need to understand how do Iwork with that?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I like that you know that's a big, that's a big
pillar of my business is in mycommunity is that there's so
many people out there gonna tellyou, like, what the right
answer is, what the goldenticket is for whatever to find
business success, to cure youranxiety disorder, to find the
(41:53):
right person, whatever the topicis.
There's so many people out therethat are kind of spurting out
this is, this is the answer.
And we're so individual, we haveso many differences and there's
no possible way that I couldtell you what the right thing is
for you.
(42:15):
But I can share what the rightthing is, what things have
worked for me, and teach you howto like in my line of work, how
to look at your human designand how to use those tools, how
you're uniquely created anddesigned and then how you can
continue to build your lifewhatever you want to do.
(42:35):
So I really love that aboutFiggy and I know that I could
have used you a couple years ago.
Like, I know that there's somany people out there when we're
struggling, we don't know whereto turn, especially if it's
something new and scary orthrowing us off, and that's one
(42:59):
of the reasons that I have thesepodcasts is because we have to.
We have to talk more about howyou know our stories and how we
can help, and and I love thatyou created this platform and
this community, um, that notonly looks on the outside but
also looks on the inside and hasthese, these views, beautiful
(43:20):
juicy nuggets I can imagine thatit's a really great platform
and so often platform and soauthentic too.
I find you very authentic.
I feel like I could talk to youforever.
Um, I want to talk about.
I want to pull up your oh, yeah, okay, this makes sense.
Um, I want to pull up yourhuman design chart.
(43:43):
What I was just saying makessense.
I hate when people do that.
So I've not talked about thisand this is actually not what I
was going to talk about, but Iwant to point something out
because I think it's really cool.
I was pulling up your humandesign chart and we have what's
called an incarnation cross, andour incarnation cross is kind
of like our life's purpose.
Did you ever dive into this?
When you dove into human design?
A?
little bit, but it wasn'texplained to me in in detail,
(44:06):
like this is all new to me, okay, okay so this is a very small
part of human design, but in myopinion, we don't talk about it
enough, and I think that weshould.
One of the reasons probably thebiggest reason we don't talk
most human design people don'tpublicly talk about it is
because, like, there's fiveenergy types, there's only five
(44:28):
different energy types,incarnation crosses.
There's like thousands ofincarnation crosses, so I can't
tell you what your incarnationcross means like by itself,
without doing like an in-depthkind of conversation, but what I
can tell you is our incarnationcross is our life purpose, so
(44:48):
one of the fun things to do islike go Google your incarnation
cross.
It says the right angle, crossof planning, three.
So there's not just likeplanning, there's like one, two,
three, a bunch of them, um, andyou can Google it and read it,
and it will kind of, as you'rereading it, lean into what
(45:08):
resonates with you, what kind ofstands out with, where you have
kind of built your life and howyou're aligning to your purpose
.
One of the things that I waslooking at, though, is we either
have a right angle or a leftangle.
We only have one or two, so theright angles and I am a right
angle as well is we do reallywell.
(45:30):
Part of our life purpose is toactually share what we've
personally experienced, and wewill experience a lot, and one
invitation that we have in humandesign, in our life I mean
looking at our human design isthat we have that invitation to
share what we've experienced,especially with the three line
(45:51):
in human design which you alsohave, that trial and error,
especially our trial and error,especially our failures, because
our failures always lead us toright here, right now, how we
got here.
It might've taught us whatdoesn't work.
It might taught us we mighthave had a couple of failures to
then find what does work, butwe never really fail right, we
(46:14):
always just learn and we can'tever really fail.
So the right angles is sharingfrom a more personal.
This is exactly what I wentthrough and this is what helped
me versus left angles are moregeneral, like just for the
people I guess you could explainit that way.
(46:34):
Um, so, when you're talking,that's what I, when I said I
want to pull up your chart.
Oh, that makes sense, is aright angle and and that to me
is like confirmation for myselfI'll just speak for myself that
I'm living in alignment.
When I learned my incarnationcross and I learned, I reflected
(46:57):
, on how I lead my business.
I'm never here to tell you whatthe right thing is.
All I can tell you is what'sworked for me and what resonates
with me, and those are humandesign, cycle alignment, breath
work, um, podcasting, havingconversations with people.
That works for me and I'm goingto give you that invitation
(47:18):
because I've experienced it.
Um, so that's a little bitabout your design chart.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's so cool.
Thank you for sharing that withme.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Google your
incarnation cross, because itcan be really powerful.
So thank you so much for comingon.
I have one more question, butbefore we do our last question,
where can people find you?
Where do you hang out?
How can they try?
If you're listening and you'relike I have dry, sensitive,
(47:47):
sensitive skin please give methese skincare products where.
Where can people connect?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
so, uh, you can go to figgybeautycom and, uh, there
you'll find the skincare andfiggy soul.
And to celebrate our launchingin target in april, we have, for
the rest of the month of aprilon our website, an offer where
you can try before you buy theskincare.
So you can go, you can order it, you can get it, you can use it
(48:15):
for a week and if you like it,the it will get paid, and if not
, you don't pay.
So you can go and try that, um.
And you can find us oninstagram at figgybeauty um.
And if you're in the UK, youcan obviously come to our store
and also find us online there.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Ma'am, maybe I'll just plan a trip to the UK.
I've always wanted to go toScotland, so maybe we'll use
that as an excuse.
Thank you for coming.
The last question is if you had, you're standing on a stage and
you have a microphone and youhave the opportunity to share
one message with the world, whatwould that message be?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
please let me help you if you need it.
I mean, that's just really anheartfelt, open invitation.
I feel like so many of us areseeking, but we don't know where
to find, and if you are seeking, I may be able to help you I
love that.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I, like so many of us , are seeking, but we don't know
where to find.
We don't, yeah, but we willfind the right people when I
believe we'll find the rightpeople when we need it.
And hopefully this I know thatthis episode will speak to a lot
of people and we'll find theright people.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Thank you so much for coming on.
This is a really greatconversation.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Thank you, I'm so glad to be here.
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