What if your persistent back pain isn't actually about your spine at all? What if those chronic headaches are your body's way of telling you something completely unexpected? Welcome to the fascinating intersection of physical structure and emotional wellbeing with holistic chiropractor, Dr. Devorah Feinbloom of Marblehead Natural Healing.
After 41 years in practice, Devorah has pioneered approaches that go far beyond traditional "bone cracking" adjustments. She reveals how our bodies communicate through a complex language of sensation, tension, and energy patterns that most conventional practitioners miss entirely. Through her work with Neuro Emotional Technique (NET), she demonstrates how physical pain often has emotional roots that can be identified through muscle testing - a method that bypasses our conscious mind to access the body's deeper wisdom.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as Devorah explains how our pelvis serves as both our physical and metaphorical center, responding to major life transitions that shift our identity. She describes how the tailbone itself functions like a rudder, potentially tucking under when we feel victimized or powerless. Even more surprising, we learn how surgical scars can disrupt energy flow throughout the body, creating symptoms seemingly unrelated to the original procedure - from anxiety and depression to thyroid dysfunction.
Whether you're struggling with chronic pain that hasn't responded to conventional treatments or simply curious about the mind-body connection, this episode offers fresh perspectives on healing. Devorah's parting wisdom resonates deeply: "Never give up hope about healing. Just keep praying about it, asking - there is help in some way for you." Connect with Devorah at marbleheadnaturalhealing.com to explore how her unique approach might unlock healing potential you never knew existed.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, welcome back to the podcast journey to well.
So today is such a special day.
Um, I actually am kind of atthe place in in my podcast where
I don't personally reach out totoo many people anymore.
A lot of people reach out to meto come on my podcast and I
reached out to Devorah because Iam so interested in what her
(00:26):
business is, her perspectives.
We're going to be talking a lotof energy work today, so I'm
going to let you introduceyourself, but let me just give
the brief introduction thatDevorah is a holistic
chiropractor.
She is the owner of MarbleheadNatural Healing.
She's also a 1-4 SacralGenerator.
(00:46):
So we have all of thoseintroductions, all of the titles
, but, devorah, I'm going to letyou introduce yourself and say
hello and then we'll get intothe incredible conversation of
energy healing andneuroemotional technique and all
of the things.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh great, thank you so much for finding me and
having me on your program.
So I guess what I like peopleto know is that I have been
practicing 41 years in the stateof Massachusetts and my journey
started in 19,.
Let's see, maybe 1979, when Imet a chiropractor while I was
(01:33):
on vacation and we started tohave a conversation about
menstrual cramps.
Now, as you know, you couldtalk to a chiropractor about you
know, back pain or neck pain orheadaches, but she started
explaining to me that you know,if your pelvis is misaligned,
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then your uterus is misaligned,and if your uterus is misaligned
it can cause cramps andclotting and things like that.
And I was a sufferer and so Iwas so inspired to go see her
and my menstrual cramps clearedup and just that power of
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knowing that there was healingpower within and it wasn't like
Excedrin headache number 28, ifyou remember that reference.
Yeah, that inspired me to go tochiropractic school and to want
to help other people.
And, of course, when I got tochiropractic school, I learned
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all different things about whatthat same adjustment did, but I
never put it together Like myhay fever went away, my
constipation cleared up, my acnecleared up, so that was a big
wow that you didn't have to goto the chiropractor to complain
about symptoms, but you justopen the channels so your body
(03:01):
can get well and it just getswell.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So interesting to me and talking about chiropractic
care is something that I havejust it seems to be coming up
repeatedly the past five, sixmonths for me, and I have not
had the pleasure of of meeting achiropractor that I feel I will
.
Here's my question.
This is what I'll say and whatI'm really trying to like.
(03:33):
Backstory is, I had a badexperience with a chiropractor
when I was a child, when I wasum in high school.
I believe it might've beenmiddle school, but I believe it
was high school and all Iremember is getting an
adjustment, getting in the carand being like something's wrong
.
My back really hurts, itdoesn't feel better, and my mom
(03:55):
was like we'll go back in andtell him that.
So I went back in and told himthat he did a couple more things
and I remember that my back wasstill in a decent amount of
pain.
And then fast forward to 2025,.
This year I hurt my back again,which is kind of been a chronic
, a repeated thing throughout mylife, and everyone says go to
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the chiropractor, go to thechiropractor.
So I go and I have very mixedfeelings about it.
I personally don't think thatit helped.
It was a lot of cracking bonesand I've heard that there are
different types of chiropracticcare.
So that is really my questionis can some people respond very
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well to the bone cracking andothers not?
What is this other kind ofchiropractic care that is like
in the ether that I have notexplored?
Shed some light on that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, so you know we're taught like 20 different
techniques when we go to school.
Okay, and what I've experienced, that we are a culture.
I think that is a high stressculture.
And if you can imagine, like asa metaphor, like playing an
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instrument, say like a guitar,you wouldn't just play it, you
would tune the strings beforeyou play.
And some chiropracticadjustments are just like
playing without tuning thestrings, where others are more
like fine tuning, what we callthe meningeal system, which
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really helps the autonomicnervous system relax first.
And I think if things are donein that kind of order, like a
structural adjustment has themost power.
But if you put a force into asystem, that's really high
stress.
I think that could potentiallybe a stress for some people.
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And then there are othertechniques that are not what we
call cracking or that kind ofadjusting techniques, where we
use different kinds of tools.
I have something that is it'scalled an arthro stim.
It has a little it's like a gunor it sounds like a little
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woodpecker and it just taps onthe bone, so nothing is twisted
or turned, it's just very directin the direction that you need
it to go.
And I think it's.
I love it, my patients love ittoo.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That sounds a little, I think.
Yeah, it feels very aggressivefor me to have the bones
cracking.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, and I think just there's that psychological
thing of like not liking thatsound.
Some people love it and somepeople just don't.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I definitely feel that and yeah, I've met
tons of people that are, youknow, swear by chiropractic the
cracking is my professionalterminology, but I think we
crack eggs, just no, not both.
Not egg cracking, yeah, so, yeah, I'm super interested to try
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the other modalities.
One of the things that you andI talked about in our previous
conversation was and correct meif I'm wrong I feel like this is
something that you kind ofnamed.
But this neuro emotionaltechnique and let me give some
backstory and then I would loveto hear I personally feel like I
(07:37):
did not find you that you foundme somehow, because some way I
was reading some blogs and, um,I ended up coming across a blog
post that you had writtenperhaps a while ago and um, it
was.
It was kind of explaining howthe position of your tailbone
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can, can really affecteverything or a lot of things.
Um, and this is actually notneuro emotional technique and I
want to get there, but first Iwant to get to um, and I'm now
I'm blanking on the term, butit's it's kind of like these,
these emotions that we hold inour body and that can be the
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trigger points of a lot of backissues, which is something
that's very close to home for me, and I just remember reading
your blog and I was like, wow,this is just such a permission
slip.
I've never really heard thisperspective in this way,
although I will say I have avery holistic background.
(08:42):
So this whole time I've hadback issues.
It's always been like whatemotionally is going on with you
and and a lot of likeprocessing grief for me as, I
think, my emotion, but it wasjust the way, I don't know.
It was the way, the timing thatI, that you found me, that that
I found you, and the way thatit was crafted and the way that
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you wrote it.
It was just really moving andpowerful to me.
So I'm sure you know what blogposts I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So I'm curious it was called Honor Thy Tailbone.
Yes, I wrote it after doing avery extensive training in yoga
where I had a deeperunderstanding of my spine from a
yoga perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, you're kind of.
You were talking about even theposition of your womb, like
just the positioning of thesestructures in our body.
I've not really heard of thatand how we can.
If we improve that, it improves, like you were just saying.
It improved your headache, likewhat is that connection?
I don't think that many peopletalk about that and I'm not
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really sure that a lot of, a lotof even my community and my
listeners, I think, would bevery curious to hear this
introduction.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, there's so many ways I could approach this, but
you know, one way that I thinkabout it is that the spine is
like a seesaw.
So if you sit on one end of theseesaw, which could be your
tailbone, it could pull in yourneck.
Or you've probably heard ofpeople who've been in car
accidents where they have awhiplash injury and now they
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have back pain, accidents wherethey have a whiplash injury and
now they have back pain.
So you know, the spine is awhole unit, and I think you know
from going to school.
Or you know we think about well, there's a neck, there's a mid
back, there's a low back and apelvis, but it's all a system.
There's a respiratory system inthere, there's a, there's a
concept where you know, there'sa technique called cranial
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sacral.
As the cranium moves, so doesthe sacrum.
So it's a whole interrelatedsystem and I think that's one
way we have to think about it.
And also, I love the metaphorsof the pelvis.
Our center of our body islocated in our pelvis, it's our
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center.
And so when we move off ourcenter so, for example, say, a
person is getting divorced like,well, who am I now?
That's, your center is shifting.
We have questions about that,that I've had patients who went
from being, you know, studentsto being doctors and that shift
it's like, oh no, you know, I'msomebody different now.
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Or you know, I've had a baby,I'm a mother now, and you know.
So all those like changes inour kind of our roles can also
affect our pelvis, particularlyif it you know, if it brings up
fear or brings up some kind ofemotion.
And then the tailbonespecifically is, it's kind of
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like a rudder in a boat and inthe same way, like a dog's tail
could go under its leg.
You know, when we feelvictimized, when we feel
powerless, the tailbone moves.
It's not just structure, it'semotions that literally can have
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an impact, how the body movesthat's.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
it's just so fascinating to me.
I've I've um very recentlyfound craniosacral therapy, and
that whole philosophy is sointeresting to me.
And and physically being ableto see the differences that my
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body is feeling and I'm actuallygoing through, it's one of
those things.
I'm still going through it, soI don't even have the words for
it, like the adequate words todescribe what, what I'm going
through and how it's serving me.
I just know right now that it'svery supportive and that it's
serving me and I'm absolutelyloving it.
(13:14):
But the connection you saidsomething there's three parts.
So there's the toxicity,there's the mechanical and what
was the last one, emotion, and I, oh, and emotion, of course
that's the one I forget.
So so the emotional one thatmakes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Mechanical is that, like the physical structure, of
it Sure, like say you're usingyour body in a certain way.
Or you know people tell me allthe time while I sit with my
legs crossed, or you know I siton my.
You know I sit on one side andtwist.
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You know my desk is over here,my body.
You know my computer's here.
You know my desk is over here,my body.
You know my computer's here.
You know all these mechanicalthings where we tend to be.
You know, favor, one side withour body.
You know I'm do everything withmy right hand except right.
So that's me, can I share areally cool experience with you
with about cranial sacral?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
oh, please, please, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
About I don't know five, six years ago.
I went to a conference and itwas a body mind conference and I
was so wide open and then I wasdoing yoga and after that I had
vertigo for about six weeks andI tried, you know, Reiki and
all different things and I wentto see a cranial sacral
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therapist and she held her handson my pelvis, it's just and my
vertigo completely went away.
And I always tell peoplecompletely because they're
connected and I, the yoga I wasdoing, was with my pelvis.
I was just opening it up wayand it's where my practitioner
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needed to put her hands.
And then I never had it again,so it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't even know how much you recognize it at this
point, but I love how aware youare and obviously this must be
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your practice is so aware of theconnections.
So I'm assuming, but I don'tknow this mechanical, this
emotional, this toxicity, is ittypically one dominant?
Is it the triad that you kindof attack from all sides?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, usually, you know, when a patient comes to
see me and they say they havepain, oftentimes they'll want to
start to address it through astructural, you know, because
that's the way they think.
Oh, that's what I taught.
That's how I taught Right, If ithurts, it must be something you
know, must be somethingphysical.
Yeah, and my work works prettyquickly.
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So if I don't see results, thenI asked the patient if they
would consider looking to see ifthere's an emotional component
to it which will lead us intoneuroemotional technique and
oftentimes that the pain isactually emotional stuff.
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You know, like they say, theissues in the tissues.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So bring us into neuroemotional technique.
I'm so eager.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, so I learned about this in the 1980s.
Okay, and let's see how I cantalk about it.
So there's sort of two entrypoints to neuroemotional
techniques.
So I'll start with the bodyentry.
So say, a person had a hip painand through the chiropractic
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adjustments the hip pain isn'tgoing away.
There's a very simple thing wecan do to ask the body, we have
them put their hand on the pointthat hurts and put their hands
here.
These are the emotional points.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
On your forehead if you're not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, here and here on the forehead.
And if a strong muscle, apreviously strong muscle, goes
weak, when you put those twopoints together, that is telling
me that there's an emotionalcomponent.
Doesn't mean it's all of it,but there's an emotional
component to this physical pain.
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And so then we work through aflow chart.
So we ask the body I'm going totell you exactly how I do it.
We ask the body if it has to dowith love, which could mean
anyone you've ever loved oranyone who's ever loved you.
If it has to do with money, job, finances, career, things in
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your physical world, your time,your space, your personal energy
, and it's usually one of thosetwo.
But if it isn't, then it'ssomething about you, you in
relationship to God, you inrelationship to your sister,
your mother, your, you know,just some kind of relationship.
And so through muscle testing,we scan to see which category
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it's in.
So say, it's family, and thenwe want to know if it's your
current family or family oforigin, and we get a person.
And then they think about theperson.
And when they think about theperson, a strong muscle just
goes weak.
They cannot hold it.
So they keep thinking about theperson.
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And then we use points on thebody and we touch the points.
And one of the points thatwe'll touch in their organ-based
points, so liver, gallbladder,heart, lungs, adrenals, bladder.
So we'll touch the differentpoints and when you think about
this person and you connect theright point, that weak muscle
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will now get strong.
So we know that this person isbringing up, say, for example,
the gallbladder is bringing up,there's some connection to the
gallbladder, and then in Chinesemedicine there are a handful of
emotions that are associatedwith the gallbladder.
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So then we scan for the emotion.
So we ask the body, the concept.
Is this something about anger?
Is it about frustration,resentment, feeling galled,
feeling like, is there a senseof stubbornness, betrayal,
emotionally repressed?
There's a few more.
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So we'll get the emotion andthen we'll ask the person to
make a concept, a statement.
That's a concept, like I'm madat my mother because she, you
know, didn't ask me aboutsomething and she took the
liberty to do something withoutmy permission.
So you know.
So we get a concept and then wetalk about like, well, you know
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what's the worst thing aboutthat?
Like why does that bother you?
And then we scan, once we knowthe concept and we're really
clear why it bothers you, thenwe ask the body to see if this
is a pattern that's happened inyour life before.
So we scan for time.
Did this happen when you were,you know, from conception to
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birth, from birth to 10?
So we find an earlier similar,because oftentimes the things
that trip us up, you know, arethings that are unresolved from
when we're kids, child, you know, like, say, a four-year-old,
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you know somebody did somethingto the child that has the same
emotion that it did in thecurrent situation that we're
dealing with.
And so then we clear it out.
And there's three ways that weclear it out.
We hold the meridian point, wehold the emotional points, the
person holds the feeling, sothat the feeling is like the
homeopathic remedy.
And you put all of thattogether while I tap on the
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spine in a certain sequence, andthe person releases the emotion
and releases the pattern.
So instead of it causing like afight or flight every time that
incident comes up.
Now you don't go into fight orflight and it's very cool.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That is.
That is my question, becauseobviously this is very different
, but it sounds there's a lot ofsimilarities between what we
generally call shadow work.
We generally are going intothis, this younger version of
ourselves.
I've had, I've had a fewtherapists that are IFS internal
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family systems trained, sothey're IFS therapists.
I've had them on the podcastand I personally, because I
really love IFS and I've done myown research and I've and I've
read a few IFS books and somaticIFS and I've done my own
research and I've read a few IFSbooks and somatic IFS.
So I mean you can come at itfrom a perspective of IFS and
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parts work of meeting this partyou can also come at it.
I think a lot of people,especially in my community, are
familiar with shadow work, whichis less structured as IFSs but
it's, you know, kind of meetingthis childhood version of
yourself, this part of you.
You know five-year-old me thatfelt abandoned or five-year-old
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me that felt, you know,tremendous grief when my parents
got divorced.
So my question is there soundslike there's a lot of
similarities here, except inshadow work.
First of all, a lot of that wedo by ourselves or just with a
coach.
You know where we're kind ofreliving this situation, which
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is similar to, or we might do itin therapy.
Where we're reliving it andthat's something that I hear
often is we're kind of justre-triggering ourselves every
time that we're bringing this upand it's continuing to live in
the body.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
So you're asking how does thisbreak the cycle?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, so like how is so, how is this different?
I mean, I think I have aconcept, but I would like to
more label like how that isdifferent.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Again.
It's by holding the emotionalpoints, holding the feeling,
holding the meridian andstimulating the parts of the
spine that relate to the organthat's involved, somehow it
breaks the cycle and then itmight not be broken forever.
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You know what I mean there.
It can come back, but we somethere's some other process that
I do around that um issue, likeI might say to the little have
the little child say you know, II don't necessarily do trauma
work with people.
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I would.
I don't necessarily do traumawork with people, I would.
You know, it's just more stressrelated.
If it's trauma work, I mightsend them out.
But if it's just, you know,like a one incident, somebody
stole something from a kid whenthey were young.
So they don't trust people.
You know, might have them say astatement you know it's safe for
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me to trust.
And then we see this is wherethe other part of NET comes in.
So if it's, if it's cleared outwhen they say it's safe for me
to trust others, the strong arm,the arm will stay strong.
But if they say it but theirsubconscious doesn't believe it,
then the arm will go weak.
And then we'll go in again andlook at why.
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You know what is triggeringthat statement and how can we
make it true.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I'm obsessed with this.
I love this and one of thereasons I'm going to.
I told you I'm going to talk alittle bit about human design
and your human design and I'mnot going to talk a ton about it
, but one of the things that youand I have in common is that
those numbers that I said.
You're a 1-4 sacral generator,I'm a 1-3 sacral manifesting
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generator, which all meansdifferent things, but we both
have that one line which is partof our what's called a profile,
and our profile is like ourpersonality.
So the one line in human designis the investigator, the
researcher.
So one of the reasons I willsay that I know I'm so drawn to
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this is because the I would callit science.
I'm sure other people would notcall it science, but I'm going
to call it science, the sciencebehind it and and the it's not
just this conversation that I'mhaving in my head, like I.
I firmly believe and I think alot of my community does, um
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that our bodies are alwaystalking to us, and one of the
things that I say is we need tolearn the communication of our
body, because our body will notspeak in words.
Our body doesn't speak inEnglish.
We speak in English, our brainspeaks in English, but our body
doesn't, and so sometimes ourbody will speak to us in pain,
in sensations, like we mightfeel a gurgling in our tummy, we
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might feel like a really strongtension in our neck.
We might feel this likeclenching either in our pelvis
or our belly or our heart right,like your heart actually hurts
when you break up with someoneor when you're really sad or
when you lose someone.
So those are ways that our bodyis speaking to us someone, or
when you're really sad or whenyou lose someone.
So those are ways that our bodyis speaking to us, and what
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you're introducing to mycommunity right now so thank you
is another way that our bodyspeaks to us, through this idea
of what's called muscle testingor neuro emotional technique,
that our bodies will actuallylose this strength when it's
saying something that we don'tbelieve or when, like you said,
it's when the conscious mind andthe subconscious are not in
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harmony.
Yes.
Yes, which is I mean you couldgo all directions.
You can go like manifestationhere, you can go healing here.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Pregnancy.
You know people who are havingtrouble getting pregnant, you
know you also test them.
I want to be pregnant.
They tell me they do, but theirbody says no, you know.
Or they don't want to bemothers, but they don't mind
being pregnant, you know.
So it's, you find all theblocks, Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I mean, it's just wild to me Like, how, yeah, what
a gift, what a gift this is.
Um, I need that one line Like Ineed the concrete, not just
like I think that this is what'sgoing on.
I need that concrete.
Uh, concrete of this is what'sgoing on and that's what I
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really do love about umcraniosacral therapy going going
back there, like, and my, my,my therapist.
He's also been doing this for40 or 50 years, Um, and, just
just like you, clearly loves itand lives it and knows what he's
talking about and hasexperienced a lot, and so he'll
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point things out to me and he'slike do you feel this?
Do you do you know?
Like you know, this is what'sgoing on.
This is your body releasing orthis is do you feel like how
your entire?
One of the coolest things thathe's done to me so far, um done
with me, is um, I think he wasjust kind of like, I think I was
on my face down and he was kindof um like, just um, shaking my
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back, moving my back side toside and moving down my back.
So he started at, like rightbelow my head, on my spine, um,
and, and was just kind of likemoving side to side, almost like
you rock a baby to sleep.
When you like rock their buttAt least that's what my, my
parents used to do they used tomove my butt back and forth.
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Um, so he's going down.
And he hit this point and hewas like do you feel that that
your body is so tense right nowthat you you're not able to um,
move back and forth with ease,like you were up on my upper
back and that all makes sensebecause it's all in my lower
back right now, but to feel thatthese are so such minute shifts
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, like and I think that's alsowhat I would like to get into
you know, going back tochiropractic care, right, Like
we're, we're, we kind of live ina society where we need these
big, big cracks, or big, likeyou know.
Going back to chiropractic care,right, like we're, we're, we
kind of live in a society wherewe need these big, big cracks,
or big, like you know, if you goget a massage, you want someone
to like beat you up and andreally like dig into all of the
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muscles and if it's somethinglike homeopath, like homeopathy
or craniosacral therapy whereit's really working with these
very I'm not finding the rightword, but like light, like it's
a light touch, subtle, subtle,thank you.
With these subtle modalitiesyou're not.
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Sometimes, I think that well,this, this, I'll ask it as a
question Do you find that a lotof people, a lot of your clients
, or maybe just people ingeneral, don't feel that it's
effective?
Because they don't because it'sso subtle, like these subtle
(31:09):
shifts over this progression oftime well, in terms of my
chiropractic it's not subtle.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Okay, I don't do.
I don't do the subtle work.
I don't feel like I'm the bestdeliverer of that system.
So I had to find where I reallyfound my you know, my sweet
spot and it is muscle testing.
So I use muscle, I look atpeople's postures, I look at
their gait and you know like ifI have a golfer who comes in and
is always just using one side,then you know we'll, I'll find
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ways to balance the musclesthrough.
You know which bones are out ofplace.
If the muscles weak, whatusually the opposite one is too
tight.
So I balance it.
So I do see, you know, peopledo see see results and they can
feel it right away.
You know how they stand in theirbody, um, but I've had a lot of
subtle work on my body and Ican just speak to that.
(32:08):
Um, I find the more subtle, themore powerful, the more I get
information, because, you know,ultimately, if we're talking
about healing, it's not aboutcuring something, it's really
about healing.
And what healing does is itbrings things to the surface.
So we become aware, becauseonly when we can become aware
(32:33):
can we change something fromright.
So I love the subtle workbecause I think it really does
allow me to have an aha momentof yes, that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I find that answers your question, but that's where
I went with it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, no, no, it definitely does.
I, the more work that I havedone, the more that I have found
the same that it's in thesubtle moments, it's in the
quiet moments, it's in the timesthat we slow down.
That's really where we gain themost insight, where we have the
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most healing, where we have thethe at least largest
invitations for potential of, ofmaking those connections or
hearing that body communicationor, you know, getting that
insight.
I think that's the biggest partof part of my journey too, I
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agree.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, it's like the shavasana of body work.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yes, and everyone loves a good shavasana.
Yeah, I know a lot, of a lot ofpeople are like that's my
favorite part of the whole yogaclass.
It's just laying down at theend with.
You know, I do breath work, sosame.
I mean, we're basically inShavasana for an hour, but it's
an active Shavasana, we'reactively breathing, but, yeah, I
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do the same thing.
So, coming, I know that you andI have had conversations about
coming on the podcast, so Ireally want to just open it up.
If there's something that youwere thinking as you're kind of
preparing for this podcast,anything that you'd really like
(34:26):
to touch on that you would loveto share with the world that
you've found is just superlife-changing or has been very
effective for you or yourclients, and it can be in line
with what we've been talkingabout or something completely
new.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I'm I'm totally open well, I, I guess the first thing
that comes to me is to justtalk about the versatility of
muscle testing, because I use itto help people adjust, you know
(35:01):
, to adjust their spines.
I use it to develop a nutritionprotocol for people, and what I
mean by that and that's anotherlong story is but there are
points on the body thatrepresent organs, the meridian
access points, and again, if youmuscle test an organ, say your
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thyroid, and it goes weak, thenI use something called
bioresonance testing, which arevials that have the energy
fields of different like foods,for example.
So, say, I wanted to find outif somebody was sensitive to
gluten or eggs or, you know,chocolate god forbid don't test
(35:48):
me for that, I don't want toknow Right, exactly, so we could
find out what organ, what youknow, the organ that's weak, why
it's weak.
I usually test for foods, heavymetals, chemicals, scars on the
(36:09):
body, like C-section scarsmidline scars are often a big
stressor to the body.
People wouldn't even know that.
And, um, I can test forinfections.
I don't know if you can seethis, but, um, I'm gonna hold
this up anyway.
So this is a little kit withvials in them, okay, and if, if
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I wanted to know if you wereallergic to it or if you had
parasites, I could put all theparasite vials on a part of your
body and if the change themuscle strength from weak to
strong or strong to weak, then Iwould know that there's
parasites that we have to lookfor and then I would build a
protocol based on you know, witha nutrition protocol based on
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what I found.
So it's very interesting, can I?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
ask a question.
I know the answer, but I'mrealizing as you're talking.
What does testing if yourmuscle is strong or weak?
What does that actually looklike?
How do you do that?
Is that something that we, theclient, does, or that's
something that you do, and howcan you tell?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay.
So I do it with a client.
The client's usually lying ontheir back and they hold their
arm up and I it's not.
I want to say this it's not amuscle strength test, I'm not
looking for strength.
A weak muscle has to do withfunction, a neurological
function.
So say, we start with what wecall a strong lock in the muscle
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and then I touch a point andsay the point, the muscle now
gets weak.
So I'm touching the patient'sbody part or they're touching it
, and I'm testing their muscle.
Is that clear?
Okay, and so we look forchanges in the muscle strength.
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And if a strong muscle, whenI'm testing an organ, goes weak,
I know to pay attention to thatorgan.
The body is trying to tell methat there's something that
needs attention here and this ismore subtle than blood tests.
It's, it's just, it's energy andthe little and the little vials
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that are in here are are likethe.
They're made so that they'rejust the electron fields.
You know, you remember from theperiodic table, every element
had its own electron field.
Well, that's the electron fieldof different foods, different
chemicals, different heavymetals, different viruses,
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different you know bacteria orscars.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, what is the scars?
What are you testing?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So when a person has had surgery or, um, yeah, so
we'll just start with surgery.
The skin contains thesympathetic nervous system.
So if you cut the skin forsurgery, when the signals travel
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through the skin and it gets tothat scar, depending on the
scar, the signals can get stuckright where that scar is, so it
creates an area of high chargeand whatever meridian that is
near that scar when you getstressed it'll start to spark
(39:42):
that meridian and it caninterfere, like midline scars.
I've seen anxiety, depression,poor thyroid function.
So they're really important totreat and luckily you can use a
wheat germ oil on the scar forat least three months.
I use lasers often to help thatheal.
(40:05):
But that's a big thing thatpeople if I guess I would say
that if somebody's had surgeryand they don't feel right after
the surgery, you know, aftertheir body should have been
healed but their mood's off, youknow it could, it just could be
the scar.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Wow, lasers as in light therapy, like red light
therapy you use.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
These are cold lasers .
Yeah, it is red.
I don't know if it's red lighttherapy, but it's.
I never thought of it asanother thing, red light therapy
.
It's called the cold laser.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Okay, my chiropractor , the one that I was going to.
He had a laser, but yeah, itwas a red light.
I yeah, I don't know it had.
I think it had to do with, likethe NIR, the near infrared.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And it's just targeted and he moved it around.
And what did he use?
It?
On your body or on a scar On my?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
body on my back.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I think there are different levels of lasers.
Mine's like a little pen like.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oh, okay, so my mom uses those.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
My mom also does energy work, so a lot it's.
It's very cool for me just tokind of nerd out um, she, every,
every energy worker isdifferent and we're all working
with the meridians and the auricfield and energy at the end of
the day, but the way that it'sapproached is always just a
little bit different.
So I love hearing the differentlanguage and tools that you use
(41:40):
and that she uses Veryinteresting.
I love that you bring in thenutrition aspect and that you're
able to test for these, becauseI feel like everyone's doing
these food sensitivity testsnowadays, and here's just
another way um, without theblood work and without however,
you do a food sensitivity test.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Here's another way.
I think they do like littlescratch tests on the back yeah
yeah, I love that.
I would say these don't.
I wouldn't ever say that it'san allergy.
I could say for sure it's asensitivity.
Blood work will only test.
You know, blood work is forallergies.
This is at least you know.
Somebody might be allergic, butI can at least say your your
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body is not in harmony with it.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, I love that.
Actually, your body is not.
Where's your body?
Not not?
Yeah, for all of the yeah,we'll say well, how does it work
?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
and I said well, you know, did you ever meet people
and you just don't like them?
You're just right.
It just happens you're not inharmony with them.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Your energy fields don't blend, yeah oh, I love
that, I love that, so.
So I want to point out one morething about your human design
chart.
And then I have I'm going tolet you kind of share how people
can get in contact with you andfollow up.
And then I have one morequestion, but your human design
chart.
We have all of these shapes inour human design chart.
(43:13):
Your chart shows up with apicture and the picture will
look like a human body, becauseactually human design pulls from
astrology, the chakra system,the I Ching, the Kabbalah, so
the chakra system is kind ofwhat makes up the human design
chart.
In human design we have nineenergy centers because two of
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the chakras are split, so theheart is split and the um solar
plexus is split, um, into thespleen, and and, and the um, and
and our solar plexus, um, andso in when you're looking at
your human design chart, youhave these shapes are either
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going to be colored in, they'regoing to be white, they're going
to have, like they have numbersin each shape.
So some of the numbers aregoing to be colored in, some are
going to be white.
All of that means something.
And in your human design chartI like to look at what shapes we
call energy centers.
So what energy centers in yourchart are colored in and which
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ones are not colored in, whichones are white?
So you have what's called anopen emotional center.
So it's white.
It has no colored in numbersand I really like that.
I wanted to point that out aboutyour chart because our, in our
human design, in our humandesign, the emotional center is
(44:41):
like the solar plexus thing.
Basically, think of the solarplexus chakra and how it holds,
like our.
Our emotional center, um, andthis is our center of, along
with the spleen, is our centerof safety and being able to
process emotions and feel otherpeople's emotions.
Typically, when we have an openemotional center, we feel other
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people's emotions prettystrongly, versus if we have that
center colored in, we wouldfeel our own emotions very
strongly and, of course, we canalways feel other people's
emotions depending on how intune you are.
But you would more likely feelyour emotions, whereas if you
have an open or undefined,you're going to feel other
(45:26):
people's and so this is youronly open center.
You have other white centersthat have that are technically
called undefined.
So your only open center is youremotional center, which is very
cool to me because you work somuch with emotions stored in the
body and and really looking atwhere that alignment is with our
(45:48):
emotions and our mechanicalstructure and and how our
physical health is like I assumethat's the toxicity part Um so
very cool and and like, uh, Iwould say, and I'm curious how
you, how you feel, um looking atthat chart, like I would say,
probably you, you feel otherpeople's emotions pretty easily,
(46:12):
um having an undefined spleentoo, like that's our instinct,
that's our safety, that's ouralso center for well-being.
So being able to kind of tapinto your client's energy that
way, because it's almost likethat doorway, because it's
(46:34):
almost like that doorway, thatemotional doorway is more easily
open to have their energy flowin and your energy kind of like
this balance.
I don't know if you're notwatching the video.
I'm moving my hands back andforth like a crazy person.
But how does that resonate?
Does that feel kind of aligned?
Does it feel like totallymisaligned?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It does, and I think that I don't always do.
It is a way that I can reallyhear what people are saying and
(47:23):
can look.
I don't.
I think feeling is a is more isa little bit more challenging
for me as a modality forconnecting with people, at first
, like I can feel their spinewith my hands, but I think where
I go is looking, watching andreally listening.
(47:46):
I think listening for me islike a spiritual skill.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, I think that's a huge skill that a lot of us
don't have, so I love that youhave really reflected on that
and lean into that.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing.
Yeah, so how can people findyou?
How can people follow up withyou where I mean, obviously,
(48:13):
please reiterate where youractual business is, and then how
can people find you online?
How can people follow up withyou where I mean, obviously,
please reiterate where youractual business is, and then how
can people find you online aswell?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Okay, thank you for offering for me to do that.
My the name of my business isMarblehead Natural Healing and
I'm in Marblehead, massachusetts, and my website is
marbleheadnaturalhealingcom, andI can give you a phone number
(48:42):
it's 781-639-0010.
I'll say it again 781-639-0010.
And my office email is officeat marbleheadnaturalhealingcom.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And I will link everything, everything down
below.
I love all the resources thatyou have on your website.
I think your blog is linkedthrough your website, so, um, I
will.
I will link the blog posts thatwe were referencing earlier in
the recording, but also, you canI'll link the website so you
can always go on the website andcheck out all of this
(49:23):
information, and I know that youhave a lot.
I know that you have a lot inyour office, too.
You have a sauna.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Infrared sauna and beamer therapy.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
That's very cool, yeah, awesome.
So last question is if you'restanding on a stage and you're,
you had an opportunity to shareone message.
What would message be?
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Never give up hope about healing.
Just keep praying about it,asking there's there is help in
some way for you.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
It's so hard right.
We get very discouraged,especially if we've tried
different things that we justfeel like haven't served us.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I have known a lot of people that have kind of
accepted oh, this is just theway that I'm going to be for the
rest of my life and I think theinner voices start kicking in
and there's this negativity and,yeah, I just say never, never
(50:38):
give up hope, even if it couldtake a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You know, what I say, too, is everything that we've
been, everything that you'vetried, is leading you exactly
where you are right now.
So if you don't feel like it'shelped you kind of like there's
a quote, it's not a waste, whatit's not wasted yeah, like
(51:03):
there's a.
There's a quote, I think it'sThomas Edison.
Somebody asked him like, afterhe tried whatever 995 ways to
build a light bulb, and hefailed.
And and somebody asked him likeare you ways to build a light
bulb?
And he failed.
And somebody asked him like areyou discouraged that you
continually fail in discoveringhow to make this invention?
And he said, no, I just learned995 ways how not to make a
(51:24):
light bulb, and then, you know,on the 996th time he figured it
out.
And that's how I feel abouthealing too, is you've learned
things and and, and it's notwasted.
You've learned something.
Whether you've learned thisisn't the, the what's supporting
me or you've learned thislittle tidbit that then led you
(51:47):
to um Marblehead, naturalhealing.
Like you, you learned theselittle pieces that lead you to
exactly where you need to be inin the moment that you need it
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I'm into that right.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Thank you so much for coming on.
I was so excited to have thisconversation and and I I feel
like I just we all have so muchthat we can learn from your
wisdom and your experience, sothank you for sharing that today
.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Thank you for finding me.
It's my absolute pleasure.
Hello, welcome back to the podcast journey to well.
So today is such a special day.
Um, I actually am kind of atthe place in in my podcast where
I don't personally reach out totoo many people anymore.
A lot of people reach out to meto come on my podcast and I
reached out to Devorah because Iam so interested in what her
(00:26):
business is, her perspectives.
We're going to be talking a lotof energy work today, so I'm
going to let you introduceyourself, but let me just give
the brief introduction thatDevorah is a holistic
chiropractor.
She is the owner of MarbleheadNatural Healing.
She's also a 1-4 SacralGenerator.
(00:46):
So we have all of thoseintroductions, all of the titles
, but, devorah, I'm going to letyou introduce yourself and say
hello and then we'll get intothe incredible conversation of
energy healing andneuroemotional technique and all
of the things.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh great, thank you so much for finding me and
having me on your program.
So I guess what I like peopleto know is that I have been
practicing 41 years in the stateof Massachusetts and my journey
started in 19,.
Let's see, maybe 1979, when Imet a chiropractor while I was
(01:33):
on vacation and we started tohave a conversation about
menstrual cramps.
Now, as you know, you couldtalk to a chiropractor about you
know, back pain or neck pain orheadaches, but she started
explaining to me that you know,if your pelvis is misaligned,
(01:54):
then your uterus is misaligned,and if your uterus is misaligned
it can cause cramps andclotting and things like that.
And I was a sufferer and so Iwas so inspired to go see her
and my menstrual cramps clearedup and just that power of
(02:18):
knowing that there was healingpower within and it wasn't like
Excedrin headache number 28, ifyou remember that reference.
Yeah, that inspired me to go tochiropractic school and to want
to help other people.
And, of course, when I got tochiropractic school, I learned
(02:39):
all different things about whatthat same adjustment did, but I
never put it together Like myhay fever went away, my
constipation cleared up, my acnecleared up, so that was a big
wow that you didn't have to goto the chiropractor to complain
about symptoms, but you justopen the channels so your body
(03:01):
can get well and it just getswell.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So interesting to me and talking about chiropractic
care is something that I havejust it seems to be coming up
repeatedly the past five, sixmonths for me, and I have not
had the pleasure of of meeting achiropractor that I feel I will
.
Here's my question.
This is what I'll say and whatI'm really trying to like.
(03:33):
Backstory is, I had a badexperience with a chiropractor
when I was a child, when I wasum in high school.
I believe it might've beenmiddle school, but I believe it
was high school and all Iremember is getting an
adjustment, getting in the carand being like something's wrong
.
My back really hurts, itdoesn't feel better, and my mom
(03:55):
was like we'll go back in andtell him that.
So I went back in and told himthat he did a couple more things
and I remember that my back wasstill in a decent amount of
pain.
And then fast forward to 2025,.
This year I hurt my back again,which is kind of been a chronic
, a repeated thing throughout mylife, and everyone says go to
(04:18):
the chiropractor, go to thechiropractor.
So I go and I have very mixedfeelings about it.
I personally don't think thatit helped.
It was a lot of cracking bonesand I've heard that there are
different types of chiropracticcare.
So that is really my questionis can some people respond very
(04:39):
well to the bone cracking andothers not?
What is this other kind ofchiropractic care that is like
in the ether that I have notexplored?
Shed some light on that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, so you know we're taught like 20 different
techniques when we go to school.
Okay, and what I've experienced, that we are a culture.
I think that is a high stressculture.
And if you can imagine, like asa metaphor, like playing an
(05:13):
instrument, say like a guitar,you wouldn't just play it, you
would tune the strings beforeyou play.
And some chiropracticadjustments are just like
playing without tuning thestrings, where others are more
like fine tuning, what we callthe meningeal system, which
(05:35):
really helps the autonomicnervous system relax first.
And I think if things are donein that kind of order, like a
structural adjustment has themost power.
But if you put a force into asystem, that's really high
stress.
I think that could potentiallybe a stress for some people.
(05:57):
And then there are othertechniques that are not what we
call cracking or that kind ofadjusting techniques, where we
use different kinds of tools.
I have something that is it'scalled an arthro stim.
It has a little it's like a gunor it sounds like a little
(06:19):
woodpecker and it just taps onthe bone, so nothing is twisted
or turned, it's just very directin the direction that you need
it to go.
And I think it's.
I love it, my patients love ittoo.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That sounds a little, I think.
Yeah, it feels very aggressivefor me to have the bones
cracking.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, and I think just there's that psychological
thing of like not liking thatsound.
Some people love it and somepeople just don't.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I definitely feel that and yeah, I've met
tons of people that are, youknow, swear by chiropractic the
cracking is my professionalterminology, but I think we
crack eggs, just no, not both.
Not egg cracking, yeah, so, yeah, I'm super interested to try
(07:16):
the other modalities.
One of the things that you andI talked about in our previous
conversation was and correct meif I'm wrong I feel like this is
something that you kind ofnamed.
But this neuro emotionaltechnique and let me give some
backstory and then I would loveto hear I personally feel like I
(07:37):
did not find you that you foundme somehow, because some way I
was reading some blogs and, um,I ended up coming across a blog
post that you had writtenperhaps a while ago and um, it
was.
It was kind of explaining howthe position of your tailbone
(08:00):
can, can really affecteverything or a lot of things.
Um, and this is actually notneuro emotional technique and I
want to get there, but first Iwant to get to um, and I'm now
I'm blanking on the term, butit's it's kind of like these,
these emotions that we hold inour body and that can be the
(08:21):
trigger points of a lot of backissues, which is something
that's very close to home for me, and I just remember reading
your blog and I was like, wow,this is just such a permission
slip.
I've never really heard thisperspective in this way,
although I will say I have avery holistic background.
(08:42):
So this whole time I've hadback issues.
It's always been like whatemotionally is going on with you
and and a lot of likeprocessing grief for me as, I
think, my emotion, but it wasjust the way, I don't know.
It was the way, the timing thatI, that you found me, that that
I found you, and the way thatit was crafted and the way that
(09:03):
you wrote it.
It was just really moving andpowerful to me.
So I'm sure you know what blogposts I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So I'm curious it was called Honor Thy Tailbone.
Yes, I wrote it after doing avery extensive training in yoga
where I had a deeperunderstanding of my spine from a
yoga perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, you're kind of.
You were talking about even theposition of your womb, like
just the positioning of thesestructures in our body.
I've not really heard of thatand how we can.
If we improve that, it improves, like you were just saying.
It improved your headache, likewhat is that connection?
I don't think that many peopletalk about that and I'm not
(09:51):
really sure that a lot of, a lotof even my community and my
listeners, I think, would bevery curious to hear this
introduction.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, there's so many ways I could approach this, but
you know, one way that I thinkabout it is that the spine is
like a seesaw.
So if you sit on one end of theseesaw, which could be your
tailbone, it could pull in yourneck.
Or you've probably heard ofpeople who've been in car
accidents where they have awhiplash injury and now they
(10:22):
have back pain, accidents wherethey have a whiplash injury and
now they have back pain.
So you know, the spine is awhole unit, and I think you know
from going to school.
Or you know we think about well, there's a neck, there's a mid
back, there's a low back and apelvis, but it's all a system.
There's a respiratory system inthere, there's a, there's a
concept where you know, there'sa technique called cranial
(10:44):
sacral.
As the cranium moves, so doesthe sacrum.
So it's a whole interrelatedsystem and I think that's one
way we have to think about it.
And also, I love the metaphorsof the pelvis.
Our center of our body islocated in our pelvis, it's our
(11:13):
center.
And so when we move off ourcenter so, for example, say, a
person is getting divorced like,well, who am I now?
That's, your center is shifting.
We have questions about that,that I've had patients who went
from being, you know, studentsto being doctors and that shift
it's like, oh no, you know, I'msomebody different now.
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Or you know, I've had a baby,I'm a mother now, and you know.
So all those like changes inour kind of our roles can also
affect our pelvis, particularlyif it you know, if it brings up
fear or brings up some kind ofemotion.
And then the tailbonespecifically is, it's kind of
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like a rudder in a boat and inthe same way, like a dog's tail
could go under its leg.
You know, when we feelvictimized, when we feel
powerless, the tailbone moves.
It's not just structure, it'semotions that literally can have
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an impact, how the body movesthat's.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
it's just so fascinating to me.
I've I've um very recentlyfound craniosacral therapy, and
that whole philosophy is sointeresting to me.
And and physically being ableto see the differences that my
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body is feeling and I'm actuallygoing through, it's one of
those things.
I'm still going through it, soI don't even have the words for
it, like the adequate words todescribe what, what I'm going
through and how it's serving me.
I just know right now that it'svery supportive and that it's
serving me and I'm absolutelyloving it.
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But the connection you saidsomething there's three parts.
So there's the toxicity,there's the mechanical and what
was the last one, emotion, and I, oh, and emotion, of course
that's the one I forget.
So so the emotional one thatmakes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Mechanical is that, like the physical structure, of
it Sure, like say you're usingyour body in a certain way.
Or you know people tell me allthe time while I sit with my
legs crossed, or you know I siton my.
You know I sit on one side andtwist.
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You know my desk is over here,my body.
You know my computer's here.
You know my desk is over here,my body.
You know my computer's here.
You know all these mechanicalthings where we tend to be.
You know, favor, one side withour body.
You know I'm do everything withmy right hand except right.
So that's me, can I share areally cool experience with you
with about cranial sacral?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
oh, please, please, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
About I don't know five, six years ago.
I went to a conference and itwas a body mind conference and I
was so wide open and then I wasdoing yoga and after that I had
vertigo for about six weeks andI tried, you know, Reiki and
all different things and I wentto see a cranial sacral
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therapist and she held her handson my pelvis, it's just and my
vertigo completely went away.
And I always tell peoplecompletely because they're
connected and I, the yoga I wasdoing, was with my pelvis.
I was just opening it up wayand it's where my practitioner
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needed to put her hands.
And then I never had it again,so it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't even know how much you recognize it at this
point, but I love how aware youare and obviously this must be
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your practice is so aware of theconnections.
So I'm assuming, but I don'tknow this mechanical, this
emotional, this toxicity, is ittypically one dominant?
Is it the triad that you kindof attack from all sides?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, usually, you know, when a patient comes to
see me and they say they havepain, oftentimes they'll want to
start to address it through astructural, you know, because
that's the way they think.
Oh, that's what I taught.
That's how I taught Right, If ithurts, it must be something you
know, must be somethingphysical.
Yeah, and my work works prettyquickly.
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So if I don't see results, thenI asked the patient if they
would consider looking to see ifthere's an emotional component
to it which will lead us intoneuroemotional technique and
oftentimes that the pain isactually emotional stuff.
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You know, like they say, theissues in the tissues.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So bring us into neuroemotional technique.
I'm so eager.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, so I learned about this in the 1980s.
Okay, and let's see how I cantalk about it.
So there's sort of two entrypoints to neuroemotional
techniques.
So I'll start with the bodyentry.
So say, a person had a hip painand through the chiropractic
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adjustments the hip pain isn'tgoing away.
There's a very simple thing wecan do to ask the body, we have
them put their hand on the pointthat hurts and put their hands
here.
These are the emotional points.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
On your forehead if you're not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, here and here on the forehead.
And if a strong muscle, apreviously strong muscle, goes
weak, when you put those twopoints together, that is telling
me that there's an emotionalcomponent.
Doesn't mean it's all of it,but there's an emotional
component to this physical pain.
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And so then we work through aflow chart.
So we ask the body I'm going totell you exactly how I do it.
We ask the body if it has to dowith love, which could mean
anyone you've ever loved oranyone who's ever loved you.
If it has to do with money, job, finances, career, things in
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your physical world, your time,your space, your personal energy
, and it's usually one of thosetwo.
But if it isn't, then it'ssomething about you, you in
relationship to God, you inrelationship to your sister,
your mother, your, you know,just some kind of relationship.
And so through muscle testing,we scan to see which category
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it's in.
So say, it's family, and thenwe want to know if it's your
current family or family oforigin, and we get a person.
And then they think about theperson.
And when they think about theperson, a strong muscle just
goes weak.
They cannot hold it.
So they keep thinking about theperson.
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And then we use points on thebody and we touch the points.
And one of the points thatwe'll touch in their organ-based
points, so liver, gallbladder,heart, lungs, adrenals, bladder.
So we'll touch the differentpoints and when you think about
this person and you connect theright point, that weak muscle
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will now get strong.
So we know that this person isbringing up, say, for example,
the gallbladder is bringing up,there's some connection to the
gallbladder, and then in Chinesemedicine there are a handful of
emotions that are associatedwith the gallbladder.
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So then we scan for the emotion.
So we ask the body, the concept.
Is this something about anger?
Is it about frustration,resentment, feeling galled,
feeling like, is there a senseof stubbornness, betrayal,
emotionally repressed?
There's a few more.
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So we'll get the emotion andthen we'll ask the person to
make a concept, a statement.
That's a concept, like I'm madat my mother because she, you
know, didn't ask me aboutsomething and she took the
liberty to do something withoutmy permission.
So you know.
So we get a concept and then wetalk about like, well, you know
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what's the worst thing aboutthat?
Like why does that bother you?
And then we scan, once we knowthe concept and we're really
clear why it bothers you, thenwe ask the body to see if this
is a pattern that's happened inyour life before.
So we scan for time.
Did this happen when you were,you know, from conception to
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birth, from birth to 10?
So we find an earlier similar,because oftentimes the things
that trip us up, you know, arethings that are unresolved from
when we're kids, child, you know, like, say, a four-year-old,
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you know somebody did somethingto the child that has the same
emotion that it did in thecurrent situation that we're
dealing with.
And so then we clear it out.
And there's three ways that weclear it out.
We hold the meridian point, wehold the emotional points, the
person holds the feeling, sothat the feeling is like the
homeopathic remedy.
And you put all of thattogether while I tap on the
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spine in a certain sequence, andthe person releases the emotion
and releases the pattern.
So instead of it causing like afight or flight every time that
incident comes up.
Now you don't go into fight orflight and it's very cool.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That is.
That is my question, becauseobviously this is very different
, but it sounds there's a lot ofsimilarities between what we
generally call shadow work.
We generally are going intothis, this younger version of
ourselves.
I've had, I've had a fewtherapists that are IFS internal
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family systems trained, sothey're IFS therapists.
I've had them on the podcastand I personally, because I
really love IFS and I've done myown research and I've and I've
read a few IFS books and somaticIFS and I've done my own
research and I've read a few IFSbooks and somatic IFS.
So I mean you can come at itfrom a perspective of IFS and
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parts work of meeting this partyou can also come at it.
I think a lot of people,especially in my community, are
familiar with shadow work, whichis less structured as IFSs but
it's, you know, kind of meetingthis childhood version of
yourself, this part of you.
You know five-year-old me thatfelt abandoned or five-year-old
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me that felt, you know,tremendous grief when my parents
got divorced.
So my question is there soundslike there's a lot of
similarities here, except inshadow work.
First of all, a lot of that wedo by ourselves or just with a
coach.
You know where we're kind ofreliving this situation, which
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is similar to, or we might do itin therapy.
Where we're reliving it andthat's something that I hear
often is we're kind of justre-triggering ourselves every
time that we're bringing this upand it's continuing to live in
the body.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
So you're asking how does thisbreak the cycle?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, so like how is so, how is this different?
I mean, I think I have aconcept, but I would like to
more label like how that isdifferent.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Again.
It's by holding the emotionalpoints, holding the feeling,
holding the meridian andstimulating the parts of the
spine that relate to the organthat's involved, somehow it
breaks the cycle and then itmight not be broken forever.
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You know what I mean there.
It can come back, but we somethere's some other process that
I do around that um issue, likeI might say to the little have
the little child say you know, II don't necessarily do trauma
work with people.
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I would.
I don't necessarily do traumawork with people, I would.
You know, it's just more stressrelated.
If it's trauma work, I mightsend them out.
But if it's just, you know,like a one incident, somebody
stole something from a kid whenthey were young.
So they don't trust people.
You know, might have them say astatement you know it's safe for
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me to trust.
And then we see this is wherethe other part of NET comes in.
So if it's, if it's cleared outwhen they say it's safe for me
to trust others, the strong arm,the arm will stay strong.
But if they say it but theirsubconscious doesn't believe it,
then the arm will go weak.
And then we'll go in again andlook at why.
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You know what is triggeringthat statement and how can we
make it true.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I'm obsessed with this.
I love this and one of thereasons I'm going to.
I told you I'm going to talk alittle bit about human design
and your human design and I'mnot going to talk a ton about it
, but one of the things that youand I have in common is that
those numbers that I said.
You're a 1-4 sacral generator,I'm a 1-3 sacral manifesting
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generator, which all meansdifferent things, but we both
have that one line which is partof our what's called a profile,
and our profile is like ourpersonality.
So the one line in human designis the investigator, the
researcher.
So one of the reasons I willsay that I know I'm so drawn to
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this is because the I would callit science.
I'm sure other people would notcall it science, but I'm going
to call it science, the sciencebehind it and and the it's not
just this conversation that I'mhaving in my head, like I.
I firmly believe and I think alot of my community does, um
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that our bodies are alwaystalking to us, and one of the
things that I say is we need tolearn the communication of our
body, because our body will notspeak in words.
Our body doesn't speak inEnglish.
We speak in English, our brainspeaks in English, but our body
doesn't, and so sometimes ourbody will speak to us in pain,
in sensations, like we mightfeel a gurgling in our tummy, we
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might feel like a really strongtension in our neck.
We might feel this likeclenching either in our pelvis
or our belly or our heart right,like your heart actually hurts
when you break up with someoneor when you're really sad or
when you lose someone.
So those are ways that our bodyis speaking to us someone, or
when you're really sad or whenyou lose someone.
So those are ways that our bodyis speaking to us, and what
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you're introducing to mycommunity right now so thank you
is another way that our bodyspeaks to us, through this idea
of what's called muscle testingor neuro emotional technique,
that our bodies will actuallylose this strength when it's
saying something that we don'tbelieve or when, like you said,
it's when the conscious mind andthe subconscious are not in
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harmony.
Yes.
Yes, which is I mean you couldgo all directions.
You can go like manifestationhere, you can go healing here.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Pregnancy.
You know people who are havingtrouble getting pregnant, you
know you also test them.
I want to be pregnant.
They tell me they do, but theirbody says no, you know.
Or they don't want to bemothers, but they don't mind
being pregnant, you know.
So it's, you find all theblocks, Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I mean, it's just wild to me Like, how, yeah, what
a gift, what a gift this is.
Um, I need that one line Like Ineed the concrete, not just
like I think that this is what'sgoing on.
I need that concrete.
Uh, concrete of this is what'sgoing on and that's what I
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really do love about umcraniosacral therapy going going
back there, like, and my, my,my therapist.
He's also been doing this for40 or 50 years, Um, and, just
just like you, clearly loves itand lives it and knows what he's
talking about and hasexperienced a lot, and so he'll
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point things out to me and he'slike do you feel this?
Do you do you know?
Like you know, this is what'sgoing on.
This is your body releasing orthis is do you feel like how
your entire?
One of the coolest things thathe's done to me so far, um done
with me, is um, I think he wasjust kind of like, I think I was
on my face down and he was kindof um like, just um, shaking my
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back, moving my back side toside and moving down my back.
So he started at, like rightbelow my head, on my spine, um,
and, and was just kind of likemoving side to side, almost like
you rock a baby to sleep.
When you like rock their buttAt least that's what my, my
parents used to do they used tomove my butt back and forth.
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Um, so he's going down.
And he hit this point and hewas like do you feel that that
your body is so tense right nowthat you you're not able to um,
move back and forth with ease,like you were up on my upper
back and that all makes sensebecause it's all in my lower
back right now, but to feel thatthese are so such minute shifts
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, like and I think that's alsowhat I would like to get into
you know, going back tochiropractic care, right, Like
we're, we're, we kind of live ina society where we need these
big, big cracks, or big, likeyou know.
Going back to chiropractic care,right, like we're, we're, we
kind of live in a society wherewe need these big, big cracks,
or big, like you know, if you goget a massage, you want someone
to like beat you up and andreally like dig into all of the
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muscles and if it's somethinglike homeopath, like homeopathy
or craniosacral therapy whereit's really working with these
very I'm not finding the rightword, but like light, like it's
a light touch, subtle, subtle,thank you.
With these subtle modalitiesyou're not.
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Sometimes, I think that well,this, this, I'll ask it as a
question Do you find that a lotof people, a lot of your clients
, or maybe just people ingeneral, don't feel that it's
effective?
Because they don't because it'sso subtle, like these subtle
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shifts over this progression oftime well, in terms of my
chiropractic it's not subtle.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Okay, I don't do.
I don't do the subtle work.
I don't feel like I'm the bestdeliverer of that system.
So I had to find where I reallyfound my you know, my sweet
spot and it is muscle testing.
So I use muscle, I look atpeople's postures, I look at
their gait and you know like ifI have a golfer who comes in and
is always just using one side,then you know we'll, I'll find
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ways to balance the musclesthrough.
You know which bones are out ofplace.
If the muscles weak, whatusually the opposite one is too
tight.
So I balance it.
So I do see, you know, peopledo see see results and they can
feel it right away.
You know how they stand in theirbody, um, but I've had a lot of
subtle work on my body and Ican just speak to that.
(32:08):
Um, I find the more subtle, themore powerful, the more I get
information, because, you know,ultimately, if we're talking
about healing, it's not aboutcuring something, it's really
about healing.
And what healing does is itbrings things to the surface.
So we become aware, becauseonly when we can become aware
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can we change something fromright.
So I love the subtle workbecause I think it really does
allow me to have an aha momentof yes, that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I find that answers your question, but that's where
I went with it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, no, no, it definitely does.
I, the more work that I havedone, the more that I have found
the same that it's in thesubtle moments, it's in the
quiet moments, it's in the timesthat we slow down.
That's really where we gain themost insight, where we have the
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most healing, where we have thethe at least largest
invitations for potential of, ofmaking those connections or
hearing that body communicationor, you know, getting that
insight.
I think that's the biggest partof part of my journey too, I
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agree.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, it's like the shavasana of body work.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yes, and everyone loves a good shavasana.
Yeah, I know a lot, of a lot ofpeople are like that's my
favorite part of the whole yogaclass.
It's just laying down at theend with.
You know, I do breath work, sosame.
I mean, we're basically inShavasana for an hour, but it's
an active Shavasana, we'reactively breathing, but, yeah, I
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do the same thing.
So, coming, I know that you andI have had conversations about
coming on the podcast, so Ireally want to just open it up.
If there's something that youwere thinking as you're kind of
preparing for this podcast,anything that you'd really like
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to touch on that you would loveto share with the world that
you've found is just superlife-changing or has been very
effective for you or yourclients, and it can be in line
with what we've been talkingabout or something completely
new.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I'm I'm totally open well, I, I guess the first thing
that comes to me is to justtalk about the versatility of
muscle testing, because I use itto help people adjust, you know
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, to adjust their spines.
I use it to develop a nutritionprotocol for people, and what I
mean by that and that's anotherlong story is but there are
points on the body thatrepresent organs, the meridian
access points, and again, if youmuscle test an organ, say your
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thyroid, and it goes weak, thenI use something called
bioresonance testing, which arevials that have the energy
fields of different like foods,for example.
So, say, I wanted to find outif somebody was sensitive to
gluten or eggs or, you know,chocolate god forbid don't test
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me for that, I don't want toknow Right, exactly, so we could
find out what organ, what youknow, the organ that's weak, why
it's weak.
I usually test for foods, heavymetals, chemicals, scars on the
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body, like C-section scarsmidline scars are often a big
stressor to the body.
People wouldn't even know that.
And, um, I can test forinfections.
I don't know if you can seethis, but, um, I'm gonna hold
this up anyway.
So this is a little kit withvials in them, okay, and if, if
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I wanted to know if you wereallergic to it or if you had
parasites, I could put all theparasite vials on a part of your
body and if the change themuscle strength from weak to
strong or strong to weak, then Iwould know that there's
parasites that we have to lookfor and then I would build a
protocol based on you know, witha nutrition protocol based on
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what I found.
So it's very interesting, can I?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
ask a question.
I know the answer, but I'mrealizing as you're talking.
What does testing if yourmuscle is strong or weak?
What does that actually looklike?
How do you do that?
Is that something that we, theclient, does, or that's
something that you do, and howcan you tell?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay.
So I do it with a client.
The client's usually lying ontheir back and they hold their
arm up and I it's not.
I want to say this it's not amuscle strength test, I'm not
looking for strength.
A weak muscle has to do withfunction, a neurological
function.
So say, we start with what wecall a strong lock in the muscle
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and then I touch a point andsay the point, the muscle now
gets weak.
So I'm touching the patient'sbody part or they're touching it
, and I'm testing their muscle.
Is that clear?
Okay, and so we look forchanges in the muscle strength.
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And if a strong muscle, whenI'm testing an organ, goes weak,
I know to pay attention to thatorgan.
The body is trying to tell methat there's something that
needs attention here and this ismore subtle than blood tests.
It's, it's just, it's energy andthe little and the little vials
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that are in here are are likethe.
They're made so that they'rejust the electron fields.
You know, you remember from theperiodic table, every element
had its own electron field.
Well, that's the electron fieldof different foods, different
chemicals, different heavymetals, different viruses,
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different you know bacteria orscars.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, what is the scars?
What are you testing?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So when a person has had surgery or, um, yeah, so
we'll just start with surgery.
The skin contains thesympathetic nervous system.
So if you cut the skin forsurgery, when the signals travel
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through the skin and it gets tothat scar, depending on the
scar, the signals can get stuckright where that scar is, so it
creates an area of high chargeand whatever meridian that is
near that scar when you getstressed it'll start to spark
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that meridian and it caninterfere, like midline scars.
I've seen anxiety, depression,poor thyroid function.
So they're really important totreat and luckily you can use a
wheat germ oil on the scar forat least three months.
I use lasers often to help thatheal.
(40:05):
But that's a big thing thatpeople if I guess I would say
that if somebody's had surgeryand they don't feel right after
the surgery, you know, aftertheir body should have been
healed but their mood's off, youknow it could, it just could be
the scar.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Wow, lasers as in light therapy, like red light
therapy you use.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
These are cold lasers .
Yeah, it is red.
I don't know if it's red lighttherapy, but it's.
I never thought of it asanother thing, red light therapy
.
It's called the cold laser.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Okay, my chiropractor , the one that I was going to.
He had a laser, but yeah, itwas a red light.
I yeah, I don't know it had.
I think it had to do with, likethe NIR, the near infrared.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And it's just targeted and he moved it around.
And what did he use?
It?
On your body or on a scar On my?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
body on my back.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I think there are different levels of lasers.
Mine's like a little pen like.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oh, okay, so my mom uses those.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
My mom also does energy work, so a lot it's.
It's very cool for me just tokind of nerd out um, she, every,
every energy worker isdifferent and we're all working
with the meridians and the auricfield and energy at the end of
the day, but the way that it'sapproached is always just a
little bit different.
So I love hearing the differentlanguage and tools that you use
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and that she uses Veryinteresting.
I love that you bring in thenutrition aspect and that you're
able to test for these, becauseI feel like everyone's doing
these food sensitivity testsnowadays, and here's just
another way um, without theblood work and without however,
you do a food sensitivity test.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Here's another way.
I think they do like littlescratch tests on the back yeah
yeah, I love that.
I would say these don't.
I wouldn't ever say that it'san allergy.
I could say for sure it's asensitivity.
Blood work will only test.
You know, blood work is forallergies.
This is at least you know.
Somebody might be allergic, butI can at least say your your
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body is not in harmony with it.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, I love that.
Actually, your body is not.
Where's your body?
Not not?
Yeah, for all of the yeah,we'll say well, how does it work
?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
and I said well, you know, did you ever meet people
and you just don't like them?
You're just right.
It just happens you're not inharmony with them.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Your energy fields don't blend, yeah oh, I love
that, I love that, so.
So I want to point out one morething about your human design
chart.
And then I have I'm going tolet you kind of share how people
can get in contact with you andfollow up.
And then I have one morequestion, but your human design
chart.
We have all of these shapes inour human design chart.
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Your chart shows up with apicture and the picture will
look like a human body, becauseactually human design pulls from
astrology, the chakra system,the I Ching, the Kabbalah, so
the chakra system is kind ofwhat makes up the human design
chart.
In human design we have nineenergy centers because two of
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the chakras are split, so theheart is split and the um solar
plexus is split, um, into thespleen, and and, and the um, and
and our solar plexus, um, andso in when you're looking at
your human design chart, youhave these shapes are either
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going to be colored in, they'regoing to be white, they're going
to have, like they have numbersin each shape.
So some of the numbers aregoing to be colored in, some are
going to be white.
All of that means something.
And in your human design chartI like to look at what shapes we
call energy centers.
So what energy centers in yourchart are colored in and which
(44:19):
ones are not colored in, whichones are white?
So you have what's called anopen emotional center.
So it's white.
It has no colored in numbersand I really like that.
I wanted to point that out aboutyour chart because our, in our
human design, in our humandesign, the emotional center is
(44:41):
like the solar plexus thing.
Basically, think of the solarplexus chakra and how it holds,
like our.
Our emotional center, um, andthis is our center of, along
with the spleen, is our centerof safety and being able to
process emotions and feel otherpeople's emotions.
Typically, when we have an openemotional center, we feel other
(45:05):
people's emotions prettystrongly, versus if we have that
center colored in, we wouldfeel our own emotions very
strongly and, of course, we canalways feel other people's
emotions depending on how intune you are.
But you would more likely feelyour emotions, whereas if you
have an open or undefined,you're going to feel other
(45:26):
people's and so this is youronly open center.
You have other white centersthat have that are technically
called undefined.
So your only open center is youremotional center, which is very
cool to me because you work somuch with emotions stored in the
body and and really looking atwhere that alignment is with our
(45:48):
emotions and our mechanicalstructure and and how our
physical health is like I assumethat's the toxicity part Um so
very cool and and like, uh, Iwould say, and I'm curious how
you, how you feel, um looking atthat chart, like I would say,
probably you, you feel otherpeople's emotions pretty easily,
(46:12):
um having an undefined spleentoo, like that's our instinct,
that's our safety, that's ouralso center for well-being.
So being able to kind of tapinto your client's energy that
way, because it's almost likethat doorway, because it's
(46:34):
almost like that doorway, thatemotional doorway is more easily
open to have their energy flowin and your energy kind of like
this balance.
I don't know if you're notwatching the video.
I'm moving my hands back andforth like a crazy person.
But how does that resonate?
Does that feel kind of aligned?
Does it feel like totallymisaligned?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It does, and I think that I don't always do.
It is a way that I can reallyhear what people are saying and
(47:23):
can look.
I don't.
I think feeling is a is more isa little bit more challenging
for me as a modality forconnecting with people, at first
, like I can feel their spinewith my hands, but I think where
I go is looking, watching andreally listening.
(47:46):
I think listening for me islike a spiritual skill.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, I think that's a huge skill that a lot of us
don't have, so I love that youhave really reflected on that
and lean into that.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing.
Yeah, so how can people findyou?
How can people follow up withyou where I mean, obviously,
(48:13):
please reiterate where youractual business is, and then how
can people find you online?
How can people follow up withyou where I mean, obviously,
please reiterate where youractual business is, and then how
can people find you online aswell?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Okay, thank you for offering for me to do that.
My the name of my business isMarblehead Natural Healing and
I'm in Marblehead, massachusetts, and my website is
marbleheadnaturalhealingcom, andI can give you a phone number
(48:42):
it's 781-639-0010.
I'll say it again 781-639-0010.
And my office email is officeat marbleheadnaturalhealingcom.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And I will link everything, everything down
below.
I love all the resources thatyou have on your website.
I think your blog is linkedthrough your website, so, um, I
will.
I will link the blog posts thatwe were referencing earlier in
the recording, but also, you canI'll link the website so you
can always go on the website andcheck out all of this
(49:23):
information, and I know that youhave a lot.
I know that you have a lot inyour office, too.
You have a sauna.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Infrared sauna and beamer therapy.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
That's very cool, yeah, awesome.
So last question is if you'restanding on a stage and you're,
you had an opportunity to shareone message.
What would message be?
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Never give up hope about healing.
Just keep praying about it,asking there's there is help in
some way for you.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
It's so hard right.
We get very discouraged,especially if we've tried
different things that we justfeel like haven't served us.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I have known a lot of people that have kind of
accepted oh, this is just theway that I'm going to be for the
rest of my life and I think theinner voices start kicking in
and there's this negativity and,yeah, I just say never, never
(50:38):
give up hope, even if it couldtake a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You know, what I say, too, is everything that we've
been, everything that you'vetried, is leading you exactly
where you are right now.
So if you don't feel like it'shelped you kind of like there's
a quote, it's not a waste, whatit's not wasted yeah, like
(51:03):
there's a.
There's a quote, I think it'sThomas Edison.
Somebody asked him like, afterhe tried whatever 995 ways to
build a light bulb, and hefailed.
And and somebody asked him likeare you ways to build a light
bulb?
And he failed.
And somebody asked him like areyou discouraged that you
continually fail in discoveringhow to make this invention?
And he said, no, I just learned995 ways how not to make a
(51:24):
light bulb, and then, you know,on the 996th time he figured it
out.
And that's how I feel abouthealing too, is you've learned
things and and, and it's notwasted.
You've learned something.
Whether you've learned thisisn't the, the what's supporting
me or you've learned thislittle tidbit that then led you
(51:47):
to um Marblehead, naturalhealing.
Like you, you learned theselittle pieces that lead you to
exactly where you need to be inin the moment that you need it
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I'm into that right.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Thank you so much for coming on.
I was so excited to have thisconversation and and I I feel
like I just we all have so muchthat we can learn from your
wisdom and your experience, sothank you for sharing that today
.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Thank you for finding me.
It's my absolute pleasure.
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